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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, the Weekend Review,

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Speaker 2: Ben Ferguson with you, and these are the stories that

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Speaker 2: you may have missed that we talked about this week.

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Speaker 2: First up, Joe Biden goes to war with the State

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Speaker 2: of Texas and now it's gone all the way to

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court over the issue of securing the southern border.

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Speaker 2: So why did the Supreme Court actually go with the

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Speaker 2: Biden administration? Cender Cruz will break that down for you. Also,

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Speaker 2: China donating massive amounts of money to the Biden Pen Center.

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Speaker 1: How much I'll give you the details on that.

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Speaker 2: And finally, Senator Cruz shares his thoughts on the race

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Speaker 2: for the GOP nomination. It's all over, So why is

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Speaker 2: Nikki Haley still staying in?

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Speaker 1: It is the week in Review and it starts right now.

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Speaker 2: Can you explain exactly what just happened at the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court when it came to the Supreme Court ruling that

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Speaker 2: the Biden administration in a five to four decision can

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Speaker 2: resume removal of the razor wire that we installed by

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Speaker 2: the State of Texas along the border, specifically near Eagle Pass.

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Speaker 2: And they say at least while the litigation is ongoing.

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Speaker 2: What was even more shocking, I think is the fact

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Speaker 2: that Roberts and Amy Komy Barrett sided with left leaning

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Speaker 2: justice to rule in Biden administration's favor and allow the

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Speaker 2: border patrol to go in and remove the razor wire,

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Speaker 2: which the Texas National Guard then put back up. At

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Speaker 2: least from the latest videos we've seen from the border,

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Speaker 2: this is a shocking moment. Many people in Texas are

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Speaker 2: angry about this, saying, what about states' rights here and

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Speaker 2: how could these two concerted justices side with the Biden administration.

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Speaker 3: Look, this is a horrible decision. I'm angry about it.

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Speaker 3: It is deeply disturbing. Fact Number one, we are seeing

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Speaker 3: an invasion at our southern border. Nine point six million

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Speaker 3: and illegal immigrants have crossed in under Joe Biden. It

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Speaker 3: is deliberate. He wants this to happen. It is the

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Speaker 3: worst illegal immigration in our nation's history. Number Two, it's deliberate.

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Speaker 3: Biden wants this to happen. The Democrats want this to happen.

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Speaker 3: They are facilitating it, they are accelerating it that they

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Speaker 3: So Texas understandably is responding to defend ourselves. I commend

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Speaker 3: our Governor. I commend our state legislature for acting to

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Speaker 3: of our state. Now, what happened on this case. It

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Speaker 3: arose to the Supreme Court on an emergency appeal on

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Speaker 3: an injunction. There was an injunction against the federal government

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Speaker 3: to stop the federal government from cutting down the razor wire,

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Speaker 3: the Constantino wire that Texas had erected, and the Fifth Circuit,

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Speaker 3: the Federal Court of Appeals, had upheld the injunction. What

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Speaker 3: of five to four, vacated that injunction. What that means is,

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Speaker 3: continue invading the state. Now, the good news, the merits

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Speaker 3: of the appeal is still pending, and so the Fifth

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Speaker 3: Circuit can still rule on the merits of the appeal

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Speaker 3: as to whether Texas has the authority and by the way,

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court could still rule on the appeal.

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Speaker 1: So it is.

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Speaker 3: Possible that Texas prevails. That the results of an emergency

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Speaker 3: appeal on an injunction are not always the same as

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Speaker 3: the merits results on the substantive issue. So that's true.

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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, you had the

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Speaker 3: for the Biden administration saying you can cut down this

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Speaker 3: there is a heavy presumption in Washington in federal courts,

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Speaker 3: which is that the federal government gets to trump the states,

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Speaker 3: and that is part of the Constitution, is the supremacy

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Speaker 3: I don't think he understands what is happening at the

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Speaker 3: If this were just a regular time and a state,

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Speaker 3: The Supreme Court would fairly routinely rule with fetes. What

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Speaker 3: I don't think these justices have a real appreciation for

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Speaker 3: what the Biden administration is doing. There's never been a

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Speaker 3: So here's the statement that the Border Patrol Union put

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Speaker 3: to undoubtedly encourage more illegal immigration. Unfortunately, this means border

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Speaker 3: this will do the exact opposite. Agents support what Texas

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Speaker 3: think the Court is out of touch. I think they're

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Speaker 3: and I think it is a profound mistake that continues

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Speaker 2: To be clear, one other thing on this is when

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Speaker 2: to secure the border, I think everybody needs a lot

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Speaker 2: remember this moment that they not only are they not,

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Speaker 2: they went all the way to Supreme Court to make

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Speaker 2: sure they could unsecure portions of the border where raids

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Speaker 3: That's how I understand. Hold on, I want to underscore

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Speaker 3: what you're just saying. So today in the capital, as

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Speaker 3: Biden just says if Congress will pass the supplemental bill,

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Speaker 3: then we'll have the ability to secure the border. And

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Speaker 3: I said, listen, understand, Biden doesn't want to secure the border.

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Speaker 3: He wants this crisis. He wants more illegal immigrants. And

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Speaker 3: I said, for Pete's sakes, Biden is actively litigating against

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Speaker 3: the state of Texas to stop Texas from securing the border.

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Speaker 3: That's what they want. They want this invasion, and that's

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Speaker 3: exactly what the Biden administration is doing. With the emphatic

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Speaker 1: It will be a huge election your issue.

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Speaker 2: We will keep covering it here that I can promise you,

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Speaker 2: but I want to make sure that we got this

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Speaker 2: why do these two justices? A lot of people, you know,

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Speaker 2: believe they were conservative and they screwed the state of Texas.

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Speaker 2: They screwed conservatives, they sided with the Biden administration. Your

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Speaker 2: be clear about. It's still being litigated and that will

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Speaker 3: Potentially years. It could take a long time, and if

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Speaker 3: Trump wins, it'll become mooded because Trump will stop litigating.

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Speaker 2: Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation,

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Speaker 2: you can go back and listen to the full podcast

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Speaker 2: from earlier this week.

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Speaker 1: Now onto story number two.

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Speaker 2: This is an issue at the University of penn and

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Speaker 2: the University of pen To remind people is what hosts

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Speaker 2: the Biden think tank, and we are seeing now through

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Speaker 2: the Biden Pen Center, Chinese donations have skyrocketed, including money

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Speaker 2: directly from the CCP linked sources. This coming from Fox News.

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Speaker 2: It says the University of Pennsylvania, home of President Biden's

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Speaker 2: think tank, recently tripled its donations originating from China. Records

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Speaker 2: reviewed by Fox News Digital show the Washington You See

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Speaker 2: office of Biden's think tank, the Penn Biden Center for

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Speaker 2: Diplomacy and Global Engagement, previously found itself under a microscope

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Speaker 2: after confidential documents top zecret documents were found at the center.

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Speaker 2: The discovery led to questions regarding Chinese donations to the

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Speaker 2: University of Pennsylvania, which harbors that think tank. And that's

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Speaker 2: just the beginning of this story.

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Speaker 3: Well it is and the numbers are stunning. So from

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one to twenty twenty two, penn received eight

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Speaker 3: point six million dollars from communist China. Eight point six

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Speaker 3: actually the next year they tripled their hull. So between

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Speaker 3: has amassed nearly one hundred and thirty million dollars in

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Speaker 3: twenty three, which is a massive, massive increase. Why is

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Speaker 3: Dinky happens to be the place that was paying Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden before he was president nearly a million dollars a

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Speaker 3: legally had classified documents stored. And all of this is intertwined.

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Speaker 3: We know that Hunter Biden and the Biden family made

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Speaker 3: millions of dollars from Communist China, that Hunter Biden shook

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Speaker 3: inference is it wasn't just in rich men of their family.

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Speaker 3: It was also enrichment of pen which in turn was

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Speaker 2: And the part that also is so frustrating is there's

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Speaker 2: really no one that's covering this story. Stuart Varney on

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Speaker 2: Fox Business, he did cover it and this is what

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Speaker 1: But the rest of the media is silent on this.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is the University of Pennsylvania seeing a big

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Speaker 2: surch in Chinese donations.

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Speaker 1: Lauren, how much are we talking about? And do we

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Speaker 1: know why we got this big zoo? How much?

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Speaker 4: Twenty five million dollars in one year between mid twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty two and the middle of last year.

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Speaker 1: That was triple the year before. Why. Good question.

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Speaker 4: One donor is actually a political consultant for the CCP.

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Speaker 4: Another a private equity founder in China with ties to

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Speaker 4: President She President Biden was a professor at penn After

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Speaker 4: he was vice president, the school paid him seven hundred

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Speaker 4: and seventy six thousand dollars. That is way more than

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Speaker 4: a professor makes it hosts his think tank.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know you know where we're going, kiddo. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Biden family has taken a great deal of money

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And now the Chinese are giving money to the

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Speaker 4: school where his thing tank is and where his personal

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Speaker 4: doc classified documents were found, remember in the office there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that in that reporting there that

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Speaker 2: I think we should talk about is you're getting a

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Speaker 2: donation from someone that devises the Chinese Communist Party. Senator,

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Speaker 2: you deal with a lot of donations when you're running

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Speaker 2: for office. If somebody gives you a massive donation and

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Speaker 2: they're advising the Chinese Commist Party, I'm assuming you're not

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Speaker 2: give it back. Of course, this is not hard, and

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Speaker 2: there's nobody asking the White House, hey, are you guys

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Speaker 2: going to give this money back to communists that are

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Speaker 2: trying to clearly buy influence.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're clearly trying to buy influence at pen and

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Speaker 3: nobody gives that kind of money for nothing. They don't

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Speaker 2: Wish for, no doubt about it. I love these conversations.

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Speaker 2: I love that we get do this. Thanks for pulling

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Speaker 2: back the curtain on sixteen and explaining it from a

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Speaker 2: candidate's perspective, because, as you mentioned, what people go through

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Speaker 2: when they have to drop out, especially DeSantis right now,

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Speaker 2: it's tough. It can take months to come out from

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Speaker 2: you go from night to nothing till it's all over,

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Speaker 2: as you mentioned. And how long does it take to

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Speaker 2: get out of that fog? I think it depends on

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Speaker 2: the candidates.

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Speaker 3: It depends a lot. Look, everyone has a period where

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Speaker 3: you just kind of.

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Speaker 1: A morning.

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Speaker 3: I assume Ron will do this, but just about everyone

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Speaker 3: I talk to a candidate after they've lost.

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Speaker 1: And this is true.

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Speaker 3: I've talked to lots of candidates who are running for

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Speaker 3: Senate in the House, and some win, some lose. But

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Speaker 3: for the ones that lose, I say, go somewhere, unplug,

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Speaker 3: get off email, get off your phone, get off Twitter.

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Speaker 3: Just just go sit by the beach with a pinacolata

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Speaker 3: and and just recharge. Recharge, be with your family, hug

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Speaker 3: your kids, just just get away for a while and

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Speaker 3: and look, the world gets a lot quieter, you know.

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Speaker 3: In a presidential campaign, it's deafening. And then when you

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Speaker 3: suspend it, it's like, Okay, I'm out of this crazy

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Speaker 3: game at least for now. And then to come out

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Speaker 3: of the funk list in every presidential candidate that loses,

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Speaker 3: I think, without exception, goes into a funk. I mean

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Speaker 3: you you have a bit of depression and grieving. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And the key to kind of I was no exception

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Speaker 3: to that. I had a period where I was just kind.

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Speaker 1: Of in a funk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think the key to coming out of

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Speaker 3: it is finding something to lean in that you love

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Speaker 3: that you and gauge in and you know, listen, I

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Speaker 3: have a day job of representing thirty million Texans, which

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Speaker 3: I love doing and pour all of my heart, mind

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Speaker 3: and soul into it. And that became go. And then

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Speaker 3: when Trump became president, you had everybody to work with,

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Speaker 3: and I rolled up my sleeves and said, I am

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Speaker 3: going to lead the fight in the Senate for us

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Speaker 3: to deliver on our promises we got. We have work

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Speaker 3: to do, and so pouring yourself into the fight and

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Speaker 3: into the work is I think a really important part

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Speaker 3: of coming out of it. And some candidates do that

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Speaker 3: more quickly than others at varies person by person.

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Speaker 2: As always, thank you for listening to Verdict with Center

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