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Speaker 1: Hey, we welcome in. I'm gug godlie, this is all ball.

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Speaker 1: All right. We'll get back to the hoop stuff and

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Speaker 1: the hoop talk uh in the next couple of pods.

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Speaker 1: But I want to I want to get back to

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Speaker 1: our Justin Wlent a three part series. This is really

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Speaker 1: really good. Um So, in in pod one, we covered

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Speaker 1: Now we're getting the coaching stuff. How do you getting

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Speaker 1: the coaching? Why getting the coaching? Where are you getting

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Speaker 1: the coaching? How did it all happen? The whole journey

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Speaker 1: is really interesting and I hope you appreciate it. Here's

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Speaker 1: part two of my talk with Justin Plent, a former

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Speaker 1: head coach at Memphis and Virginia Tech. Okay, so you

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Speaker 1: go to normal Illinois. You're twenty four years old and

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Speaker 1: you're the quarterback coach. Okay, So first, where did you live? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Me and a couple other young coaches rented a home.

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Speaker 1: I mean I went to college at three places. I

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Speaker 1: went to college at at o U, at Murray State,

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Speaker 1: in Illinois State. I just didn't go to any classes

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Speaker 1: at Illinois State. So we were young and and and

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Speaker 1: had a great time. We had about a couple of

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Speaker 1: houses we were you know, there's a little bit for

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Speaker 1: the coaches that were that you live with. UM. So

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Speaker 1: I lived with Galen Scott, I lived with uh, Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess uh so. I mean we had a bunch

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Speaker 1: but he was married, so I never lived with him.

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Speaker 1: I was there for six years and I was trying

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Speaker 1: working all the time, loving it. Now, this is what

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Speaker 1: what else is interesting is you all this stuff happens

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Speaker 1: and oh you makes a change, right, And the previous

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Speaker 1: year Kentucky was they was Kentucky's offense right where they

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Speaker 1: ran spread and so and I don't know how much

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Speaker 1: college football, that changed college football forever. The Kentucky year

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Speaker 1: with how Mummy changed everything in college football. Then it

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Speaker 1: next year and now all of a sudden, it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's spread everywhere. Um, when you get to Illinois State,

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Speaker 1: So we had huge influence from that type of deal

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Speaker 1: So basically, I'm like, you tell me what we want

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Speaker 1: So when you're in basketball, you played for a lot

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Speaker 1: We're like Northwestern scoring sixty points on Michigan. You're like,

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Speaker 1: the offensive staff. He said, they're all good people. He said,

426
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Speaker 1: you don't need to worry about anything. He said, they're

427
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: all good people, and they were incredible, incredible people. And um,

428
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: you know he said the other thing, he says, you

429
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: us work hard and it'll be fine, you know, go

430
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: do a good job. And um, I appreciated that because

431
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 1: I mean I was a stranger in that room. You know,

432
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: I didn't even know the hand coach. Like. I was

433
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: a little worry Gary was going to get another job

434
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: after one year and leave me, you know, because we wouldn't,

435
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, we wouldn't. We have been together nine months

436
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: and he, you know, would take which ultimately never happened.

437
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: But you know, those are the insecurities you have walking

438
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: into the job. You want to do a great job.

439
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: You want to make the head coach happy. Um, you

440
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: want to prove yourself to the other guys in the room.

441
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the approach I took what allowed

442
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: him to be so successful at that spot for so long. Well,

443
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: first of all, Um, when they weren't very good on offense,

444
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: he was good enough on defense to carry him, you know,

445
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: like they were. And that's a lesson, right, And that's

446
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: that's a lesson and right. Yeah, and then when they

447
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: were going on both sides of the ball, holy cow,

448
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, look out and Gary is incredibly um, incredibly competitive. UM.

449
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the environment that he created, um from

450
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: a competitive standpoint up to a point like at points

451
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: he got a little tired. But you know, he and

452
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: eyes relationship grew over my five years there to such

453
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: a positive one that I whereas some guys we're either

454
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: reluctant to walk into his office and ask him questions

455
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: or didn't want to or whatever the reasons were, I

456
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: got to the point where I viewed him as a

457
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: huge resource to walk in there and ask him about

458
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: either what we were doing on offense or what he

459
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: thought about certain things or whatever it was. And it

460
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: really really blossom to it a really really positive view.

461
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: But he's won there. He won there for a long

462
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: time because he competes his butt off every single day

463
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: and that's him. Um. The first time you saw Andy

464
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: Dalton was swearing practice. They told me we were gonna

465
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: have a We're gonna have a quarterback competition. Andy red shirted.

466
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: And Marcus Jackson, who I will say this is one

467
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: of the best people I've ever met. Marcus Jackson came

468
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: over to my house when I was a quarterback coach

469
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving and like slept on our couch and I

470
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: didn't think he was ever gonna go go home, like

471
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: just greatest kid ever played with my girls. Awesome kid.

472
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: But I walked out there and watched him warm up,

473
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: and I was like, quarterback competition, what's your first year?

474
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: Is your first year? Yeah, I'm like that redhead is

475
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: stud but it just looks. It just looks. You know,

476
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: this guy's is he's smart and he's pretty athletic, and

477
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, this guy is stud man. And Marcus Jackson

478
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: was a great kid. Uh Now, I and he had

479
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: to learn and had to develop an all that sort

480
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: of stuff. But the first time I saw it throw

481
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: the balls, like, holy crap, that's really good. How did

482
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: you guys play there? In terms of your offensive schematics

483
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: and stuff. So I was there for two years as

484
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: the running back coach, and then my third year Mike

485
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: left and became and he went to Illinois. He became

486
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator in Illinois, and and Gary named me

487
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: the head coach. I mean, excuse me, name me the

488
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: co offensive coordinator. And I'll tell you kind of a

489
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: cool story about this. So I go back to my

490
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: first day in the office at TCU, and Dick Winder

491
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: tells me that those guys are really good guys. So

492
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: I also go back to the first day of me

493
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: saying like I really want to take a step back

494
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: and not be the coordinator. Well, for two years there,

495
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: I was not. I was running back coach, but I

496
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: really felt like it gave me confidence that I could

497
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: go be the coordinator at some point, you know, like

498
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: I didn't. Mike was doing a great job, everything was fine,

499
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: but like I felt like, yeah, I can't do this

500
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: at this level. Well, Mike leaves. Well I've only been

501
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: there two years, and every one of those other offensive

502
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: coaches have been there for some of them fifteen years

503
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: with Carrie, so they all want the job. So I

504
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: come home and tell my wife, I'm like I'm a

505
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: gin like Mike left, and you know, those other guys

506
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: want the job and they've been here a long time,

507
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: and you know, I probably just just let him have it,

508
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: and you know, Gary'll pick a good one and we'll

509
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: be fine. And she kind of jumped my ass. You know,

510
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: it was kind of what I needed. You know, it

511
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: was a little bit like, hey, are you going there?

512
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: And I don't want to hear that, Basically like, um,

513
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, you've developed the confidence that you can do

514
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: this over the last couple of years. You need to

515
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: go tell them and if he goes another direction, goes

516
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: another direction. So I put together a plan of what

517
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: I wanted to do and how I wanted to change it,

518
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: evolving towards no huddle because I had a couple of

519
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: things in my mind, like we had a bunch of

520
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: guys coming back. Andy Dalton was freaking stud and I'm like,

521
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: if I walk out there the first day of spring

522
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: ball and I've changed so much that we can't get

523
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: lined up, Gary's gonna fire me on the spot. So,

524
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: like I wanted to change it slowly. Two some of

525
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: the terminology that made make it a little more little

526
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: easier to learn to make it a little more sense

527
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: to help freshmen have a chance to play earlier, because

528
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: what they've gotten to, and even Mike Schultz would probably

529
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: admit to that, they've gotten to so many pieces of

530
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: different pieces of the puzzle put together from different influences

531
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: over the years, that it didn't made it make sense.

532
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: Like I they saw that when I came in and

533
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: then my guy eyes, why is this called this? Right,

534
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: it's a long story, just memorize it. I'm like, well,

535
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: like what if I'm nineteen years old, Like they don't

536
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: want to hear that, Like, let's make this all so anyway,

537
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: that was kind of my my presentation. So um so

538
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: I went in there and we started to move towards this.

539
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 1: We began to work on our no huddle stuff, and

540
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: we got in ten personnel and we got into alve personnel.

541
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: Basically is what we we ended up doing. And we

542
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: were so good. Everywhere ten is empty. Ten is like

543
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: four wide receivers, one running back, and then we would

544
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: get in two tight ends to two wide receivers, one

545
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: running back. Now those are two main personnel groups, and

546
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: the bottom line is we were so good it probably

547
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: didn't matter, you know, except for a couple of games

548
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: a year it mattered. But you know when when we

549
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: were playing in Mexico at the time, you know you

550
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: could just roll the ball out there and you're gonna, um, okay.

551
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: There's a lot of so a couple of things in

552
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: running tempo and no huddle things that strike me as important.

553
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: The most important thing that I've seen and talk to

554
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: some people about is you've got to get that first

555
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: first down right, because you can't once it gets rolling

556
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: and the defense is trying to get guys in and

557
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: out and trying to figure out what you're doing. That's

558
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: when it's at its best. But if you're if you're

559
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: threeing out, you're punting, your defense is gonna hate you.

560
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: And and then you start trying to take chances maybe

561
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: in that first series or the next series, that you

562
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't normally take. How much of that is a thought

563
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: in how you approach play calling that that first first

564
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: down is, you know, is maybe paramount in terms of

565
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: the totality of what you're doing offensive. Yeah, it's a

566
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: separate chart. So you got your first intent calls or

567
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: Norman normal down and is called, but you also have

568
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: your p intent call, which is the possession, first possession,

569
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: first play of the possession, p inten and um taking

570
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: those into consideration in game plan. You can always make

571
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: adjustments during the game, right, Like you have those conversations

572
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: about what you're getting you're getting more of this or

573
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: or less of this or whatever. But the easiest time

574
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: to have those conversations is in the air conditioning on Wednesday,

575
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, like that's when it's the best time to

576
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: make those those uh, to try and play the game.

577
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: So um, that's a huge part of trying to get

578
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: it rolling when you're when you're going no hello, when

579
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: we got to when we ended up at Memphis at

580
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: the end and we were we were doing more of that,

581
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: Like that was a huge part of like what little

582
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: dink and dunk screen or or whatever can we get

583
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: just to get the ball rolling, to get to get

584
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: moving on to the other stuff. Part of it's all

585
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: about getting it started. It's like two minute offense. Two

586
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: minute offense, you're at a huge advantage if you can

587
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: get the drill started. Right If once you get started,

588
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: mood the d line stied, you get a chance, you're calling,

589
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: you're snap of the ball. It's it's the exact same

590
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: philosophy as as two minute offense. If you can just

591
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: get the drill started, but you're you got a chance

592
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: to roll him. Now here's the other part, The other

593
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: side to it is it's got to be congruent with

594
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: the defense, gotta kind of work together. And one of

595
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: the things that you play that way, even when you're winning,

596
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: you can exhaust your defense because you're scoring quick and

597
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: back out on the field. So I remember having this

598
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: conversation with Gundy where he actually went to more scholarships

599
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball than offensive side of

600
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: the ball. Just just a numbers game, but there's also

601
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: a level of conditioning that has to change and sometimes

602
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: how you play defensively. Did did did you? Was? That

603
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: was that part of how it at all kind of

604
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,479
Speaker 1: came to get Well, we were gonna go we were

605
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: gonna be allowed to go no huddle fast occasionally, but

606
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: like it was clear how how it was going to

607
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: be organized, Like there was gonna be Like we went

608
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: a whole season. We threw like three passes in the

609
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: fourth quarter the whole year, Like, um, that was your

610
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: first year, the Rose Bowl year, your first years, my

611
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: first year we went to the Fiesta Bowl, but but

612
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: before you got there, it wasn't good. Like I think

613
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: right that that your first two years it wasn't wet

614
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: my third. By the third year, my what turned Well,

615
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: we are recruiting, like I mean, we had much better

616
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: players on offense that were older and you should and

617
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: you should have in that in that league. You were

618
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: the one in Texas, right, I mean it became when

619
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: we started, we just I mean they had been there,

620
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: they had been through cycles where they'd had good running

621
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: backs and good but when I got there, we just

622
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: weren't very talented or they were very young, you know

623
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like we were bringing in Jeremy Curley,

624
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton was red shirting. Um, you know, our offensive

625
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: line was young. I mean our offensive line was and

626
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: they're still guys playing in the NFL from the offensive line.

627
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: So um, you know, we really improved our our standing.

628
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: We recruited two or three running backs that were really

629
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: good players, and um, really improved or overall. Fiesta Bowl

630
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: or Rose Bowl, which is cooler to say I made

631
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: it for you, Well, the Rose Bowl is, um the

632
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: here's what I say. The Fiesta Bowl is the best

633
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: customer service event I've ever been to. I mean, what

634
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: the job that those people do in terms of of

635
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: of helping you and your family enjoy it and and

636
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: it was incredible. But the Rose Bowl is the Rose Ball,

637
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: and that's like and I'm not even a California like,

638
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: I don't have to, but I grew up watching the

639
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: Orange Bowl, right, and it was either Oklahoma or Nebraska

640
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: playing in the Orange against Miami usually. But like the

641
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl is is badass and it was like TCU two,

642
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: So it's not like a normal normally Rose Bowl is

643
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: always big. And I saw you, so you roll in

644
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 1: like what's that? Like? You were you when you call it? Plays?

645
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: Were always up top? Are you? I was up top?

646
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: I'll tell you if a funny story about this. This

647
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 1: is this, let's tell you about human nature. So we're

648
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: playing Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl. J J. Watt. Okay,

649
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: So the thing about in those days, like the Rose

650
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: bowls on, it wasn't it was the best. So it

651
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: wasn't like January first, it was late. So I mean

652
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: we finished playing, you know, right after Thanksgiving, and I've

653
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: got a month and a half of watching. J. J.

654
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: Watt just terrorized the entire Big tent. I mean, it

655
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: was it was illegal some of the things he did

656
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: to tight ends the offensive tackles. He just absolutely murdered people.

657
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I watched about four games. I'm like, how

658
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: big is number ninety nine? I'm like, somebody get the deal, Like,

659
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: how big is this guy? What is he? Like? What

660
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: is he six six? What is he to fifty? You know,

661
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: somebody give me the deal. They hand me deal is

662
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: six six. They listed him at two. Like that guy's

663
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds. We gotta go a block the days

664
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: three pound. So anyway, he's just murdering people. They're pretty good,

665
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: all right. And um so they tell me, they say,

666
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: in the box at the Rose Bowl, there's gonna be

667
00:38:54,680 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: a there's gonna be a camera and camera so we

668
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: can see you during the game. Like basically we're giving

669
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: your heads up right, Like when you get in the box,

670
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,479
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a camera in there. It's that there's

671
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: that moment um Ken Dorsey, yes, offense coordinator for the Bill,

672
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: like loses the whole thing. So I'm like, all right,

673
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: that's fine. So I get up there and I get

674
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: all set and I see this camera sitting right here,

675
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know what, I don't we got

676
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: enough on our plate. So I kid you not, like

677
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: I move the camera over to where it's it's offset

678
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: so that it's not like looking at me. Okay, and

679
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, let's let's put this off to

680
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: the side. Let's get to work. Well, you know, we

681
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: don't need we don't need those distractions or whatever. So well,

682
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: we take the ball down the field. I can't remember

683
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: who had it first. I can't remember if they did

684
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: or we did. But on offense, we take the ball

685
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: down the field and score. In the first draft, I mean,

686
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: Andy's on five. They scored. Yeah, they kicked the field going,

687
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: and he's just like there was times when Andy would

688
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: like mesh the fake and like throw the ball before

689
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 1: my eyes even got to where he was supposed to read.

690
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: I mean, it was incredible. He's on fire. Our guys

691
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: are playing good. We're hitting, we're hitting double moves. We score.

692
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: We kicked to them. I don't remember if they scored

693
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: or what they probably did, and then they kicked back

694
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: to us, and we drive the ball right down their

695
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: throat again and score, and we're up. We've scored fourteen

696
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: and two possessions, and that cameras like over here, I'm like,

697
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: was that thing like right over here in the front,

698
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm because we're going to score sixty on these guys,

699
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, like a little bit of ego jumps in

700
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: and then um and then we ran three plays in

701
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: the second quarter like they kept the ball the ho

702
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: yeah as much up and they fake to punt and

703
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: so we literally went And I have never felt pressure

704
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: like that in my life. Everybody talks about what going

705
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: fast will do to you, and it is true, like

706
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 1: there is true, but this was the extreme opposite end.

707
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: This was you're not you know, yeah you are, guys

708
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: are pretty good on offense. Go stand over there and

709
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: watch and just the pressure, like you have a hundred

710
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: calls on your call sheet, okay, and you've run thirty

711
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: plays and you're like trying to figure out what to

712
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: run on the next play in the Yeah, you know,

713
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: it's like and and you have to have that, you

714
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: have to have the patience of I can't get it

715
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: all back back to do it all. So it was

716
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: a kind of an interesting kind of emotion there when

717
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: and you won a lot of games as a player

718
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: as a coach, but what is that like to hold

719
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: them off when the game, what do you remember about

720
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: when you look up in their zeros at the Rose

721
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: Bowl and you guys at more points, Well we got

722
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 1: we we you know, we're knocked down the two point

723
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: conversion and um. And then we got the ball back

724
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: and we had to get a first down and we

725
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: ran the inside zone three straight times and got the

726
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 1: first down. And I was like, that was pretty cool,

727
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: you know for TCAs. And that's the and that's that's

728
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: the most This is kind of what we talk about,

729
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: like the most important, all these spread teams and the

730
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: day you got to get that first down football and

731
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: we did and the game was over. And I would

732
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: say this, there's there's never been a game. One of

733
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: the things that coaches feel when when they're around players

734
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: that give it they're all, is they feel this sense

735
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: of extreme obligation. And I remember the night before the game,

736
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: being a piece but feeling this extreme sense of obligation,

737
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: like justin, don't screw this up for these kids, you know,

738
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 1: like we're good enough to beat this team. It's gonna

739
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: be hard, but like I just remember sitting there with

740
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: my wife's sing like I want Andy to win this

741
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: game so freaking bad he deserves it. So does um

742
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, so does the walk on wide out and

743
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: uh you know, and Jeremy curly and alright tackle they

744
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: all deserve to win this game of the sense of

745
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: obligation I had for that for them to win, for

746
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: them to win, and then when we pulled it off,

747
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: like getting to share that with my my family was

748
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: was so cool. I mean, I have a picture of

749
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: my daughter who's she's fourteen and in ninth grade now

750
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: on my I'm dressed in my suit, she's on my

751
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: shoulders holding a rose, and like, it's my favorite picture

752
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: in the world, and just sharing it with everybody is

753
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: pretty cool. How do you like the points you made?

754
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: It's so important and it it it just gets lost

755
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: in I think how coaches are perceived, right, because you're

756
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: perceived as like again, and I know not everyone's this way,

757
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: but part of the Gargantean contracts and the buyouts, they're

758
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: not because guys actually need that much money. It's they're

759
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: just trying to protect themselves. Over. You have a bad year,

760
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: quarterback breaks his leg, You don't want to get fired

761
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: and have to not just you move, but the entire

762
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: staff has to move, right. It's a. It's a misperception

763
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: of what things mean. And I thought the part you

764
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: put at the I talked about Andy, like, I don't

765
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: think enough people realize that. Do you want to make

766
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: money and win games so you're gainfully employed, so your

767
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: family is absolutely, of course you do. But those relationships

768
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: with those kids and you coach for them, right, you

769
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: coach and but somehow that's gotten lost. And maybe it's

770
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: in the dollar sign of what guys coached for or

771
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: in N I L or whatever, because I would you're

772
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: in You're in then this business for twenty years. Generally

773
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: it's just about winning games, about being part of the

774
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: team and about the guys, and it's not about the

775
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: money and all these other things that's an ancillary benefit.

776
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: But is that fair to say that that the people think,

777
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: like you say, hey, what do you do for a living?

778
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm a college football coach. They almost look at you

779
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: like it's not a reputable profession. No, you're you're you're

780
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: hitting the nail on the head and it's it's disturbing

781
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: and it basically coaches have lost their voice. And I

782
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: think there's a couple of reasons for that. Like it

783
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: used to be coach teacher, right, it used to be that,

784
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: and in quite honestly, I think we used to all

785
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: we being Americans, used to have better respect for teachers

786
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: than than we do now. And um, we don't listen.

787
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: But and like this is my rants, so you don't

788
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: have to deal it if you don't. But we don't

789
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: have respect for anybody who's in charge. Yeah, Like I

790
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: don't ever remember having when I was a kid, having

791
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: a side of the story, Like there was no side

792
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: of the story. But for me, it was like a

793
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: person in the position of authority says, you did this,

794
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: your guilty period done. Don't I hear it? You know?

795
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: And so I guess, my, my, my. My point is this,

796
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: like coaches have lost, we have lost that we've sacrificed it,

797
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: and some of them is through our bad decisions, like

798
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: we have. We have people in our fraternity of coaches

799
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: that have that have made either bad decisions and how

800
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: they live their lives or or what they've prioritized or whatever.

801
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: Certainly those things have happened. I would argue that a

802
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: vast majority of our fraternity of coaches are really good

803
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: people that try to make decisions for the right reasons.

804
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: Jess and Jessin, I would see the percentage and and

805
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: please keep your thoughts. The percentage is the same across

806
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: any profession, right, right, It's like it's like and and

807
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: maybe some you know, some types of artists, they're a

808
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: little bit more ascent trick, and maybe the percentage is

809
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: a little bit different in one ring. But generally like

810
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: and the good of people, of teachers, of teachers are

811
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: there for the right reasons, people in broadcasting or the

812
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: news media, or for for the right reason ninety five,

813
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: Like most people, most people are good, just like athletes, right,

814
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: athletes have always and I believe this. We can't judge

815
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: all athletes because there's one a whole, right, generally a

816
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: bunch of good, good dudes, good people, and there's always

817
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: some other dudes that have some other issues. Like there's

818
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 1: that percentage in anything. It's like people cheat on taxes.

819
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: There's a percentage to do, but most of us have

820
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to pay as little tax

821
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: legally as possible. Anyway, go ahead, I'm sorry. So there's

822
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: there's this. Some of it's through our own fault, right

823
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: as a fraternity of people. But the other part of

824
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: it is the money has gotten so big that nobody

825
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: wants to hear it. Yeah, you know, and it is

826
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: it's almost gone the way of the politicians, you know,

827
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: and it's like again not to get into politics, but

828
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 1: like you know, it's a pretty negative connotation for most

829
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: people on uh, whatever side the aisle you're on, I

830
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: don't care, but yah, politician like coaches getting mixed into that. Yeah,

831
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: I think part of it is bad decision making, and

832
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: part of it is the financial part. People making you know,

833
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: working their butt off to make fifty grande a year

834
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: don't want to hear that ship from some guy making

835
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: four million dollars a year. And it's not the coach's fault,

836
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: like it's I mean, it's just is there is there

837
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: a way to Okay, So if you were to go

838
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: about trying to fix it, because I've always thought, like,

839
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, how do you fix the perception of it?

840
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: Do you do you when they can offer you a

841
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: contract extension? Do you just do some ridiculous length of

842
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: money and then you spread out the money year per

843
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: year with your staff. I don't because I don't know

844
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: how you do Like, how do you do it? I

845
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: don't know. You're the perfect example of it, right, and

846
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I'm not trying to skip the

847
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech. But like, you get the Virginia Tech, you're

848
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: replacing an absolute legend, right, and you have to put

849
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: all those zeros in the buy out because if you don't,

850
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: the second you have a back here, they're like, what

851
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: doesn't much get rid of? Let me get the next

852
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: guy in here, right, Like all it is is protection, right,

853
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: Like that's all you want is a chance to do

854
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: your job. None of us, at least I would argue

855
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: in in my generation and above, like the younger guys

856
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: below me, or not below me, but the the younger guys,

857
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: like this money has been involved in it, like before

858
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: they got into it, you know, like there may be

859
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: some of those guys that got into it for the money,

860
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. Yes, yes, it's basically my generation

861
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: and older. Like we never even dreamed it would look

862
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: like this. I've never crossed my mind like to to

863
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: to even think about, um, you know, even a fraction

864
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: of what's going on would have never crossed our minds. Here,

865
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: here's the easiest way to explain when you made the

866
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: decision to get into coaching. Why Yeah, because I was.

867
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: I I went because I love the ball anymore, Right,

868
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: love ball? You can't play anymore. You don't want to

869
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: have a real job, and you love being a part

870
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: of the team, right, and you get to couch younger dudes.

871
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: There's an energy to it, right, like, hey, I can

872
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: just make enough to where I don't actually have to

873
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: get a real job. Yes, And it's like and then

874
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: you get into it and you like teach somebody to

875
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: do something and that that gives you this feeling of

876
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: like something pretty cool, right, Like wait a minute, I

877
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: just had somebody that didn't know something that I taught

878
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: to them. They put it into use and had success

879
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: with it, and they pay me. This is awesome, Like

880
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: I want to do this forever. And that's that. And

881
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: then the next thing, you know, you're standing there and

882
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: you're you get a phone call and they're like, well, um,

883
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, Memphis wants you to be the head coach

884
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: and you're like really, and like yeah, I'm gonna pay you,

885
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, a million dollars a year and you're like

886
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: what really, I mean it just just you know. This

887
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, you're just working and you know,

888
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: trying to do it and it's just I hate the

889
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: fact that we've lost so much from our profession because

890
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: of um, like because of some of it's our faults.

891
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: Some of it's like what do you want us to do?

892
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: Like I you know, we didn't get into it because

893
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: of this, you know, like this is this is what

894
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: it's become. Um before we get to Memphis and bt uh,

895
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: he said, calling plays about having the answers give me

896
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: the give me the play in the in the Rose

897
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 1: Bowl season that you're like, this is my best answer

898
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: I had. So I love this. So I mean we

899
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: practice for Lord knows how much leading into a Rose right, Like,

900
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: I mean for months basically we practice. I mean there's

901
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: no talent. What our rep rep sheet looks like from

902
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: prep for Wisconsin? Now, is that a Gary thing or

903
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: is that a I mean that's just scary. I mean,

904
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: well that's what we did at TC. We practiced. I

905
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: mean that we we had tough kids that and when

906
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: you practice and this is this is just again from

907
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: the basketball side. Are you going eleven on? Oh? You

908
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: in in terms of your beliefs in what you're seeing,

909
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: how much of it is on air, how much of

910
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: it is on on personnel, just shells. Hey, we're not

911
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: tackling how much of it is live, Well, it all

912
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: depends on what typic you're where, where you're at in

913
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: the year, like in the spring is different than we

914
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: in the Wednesday leading up to the to the B

915
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: y U game. So I do like teaching things segmentedly,

916
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: segments and segments, like I like football school like this,

917
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: Like I would imagine basketball can be with working with

918
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: the guards of the posts or whatever, but like, yeah,

919
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: like let's go work it in with just the receivers

920
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: and the dbs in a perimeter drill, or let's go

921
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: work just the inside guys together in those techniques and

922
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: build it out to putting everybody in there together. I like,

923
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: and we do that basketball in terms of a breakdown drill,

924
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: you know, and then you put into live and then

925
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: there's that aha moment where they're like, oh, hey, he

926
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: just showed us what we were doing is for a reason,

927
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: right yeah, right right, yeah, um okay, so so what

928
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: was your best give me your answer us they're playing

929
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: us in an empty a little different way, okay, in

930
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: the middle of the game, and we ran a play.

931
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: This is I was really proud of our system and

932
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: our kids. We they came off to the sidelines. I said, Andy,

933
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna run this. We're gonna line up in the

934
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: so how are they playing your empty Well they were.

935
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: They were shifted to the boundary essentially, like we're putting

936
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: three guys into the boundary and two guys to the field, okay,

937
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: And they were basically over shifted into the boundary, you know,

938
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: like we we didn't really do a lot like we

939
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 1: did put trips into the boundary some but not a lot.

940
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: So the play we ran was we we got two

941
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: trips into the boundary through double slant to the field

942
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: through to the inside slant for like a thirty yard

943
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: game and it ran a combination into the boundary. We

944
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 1: had not rapped it one time in the month leading

945
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: up to the game. Like our system allowed us to

946
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: make an adjustment. Our kids understood what we were talking about,

947
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: that we could run a play and in the Rose

948
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: Bowl with the game on the line, essentially that we

949
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: had not run one time in prep. And that that

950
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: comes from and again tell from comes from not only

951
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: repping the simplicity of the system which you which you

952
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: fought for, right and then you gotta recruit a level

953
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: a kid where it doesn't necessarily have to be academic aptitude.

954
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: But then you gotta you gotta recruit kids that can learn,

955
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: you know, and if you can never figure that out,

956
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: like you got it late, because there there is something

957
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: that's indescribable about playing that people are some people are

958
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: good at it and some people are not, and they

959
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: can pick it up. Like I've had quarterback one of

960
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks I've ever had, like really verbally it's

961
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: not that he couldn't talk, but like explaining it to you,

962
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: because I'm big on you. Tell me, tell me what

963
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: you saw, tell me what happened, to tell me how

964
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: this works. Like that way I can formulate how I

965
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: can right because because when you played, you saw it,

966
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: you saw the other ten guys, you saw the eleven

967
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: on defense. Now you need a quarterback to tell me

968
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: what what what those do it to me? Like how well,

969
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: Like I have one that I was a really good

970
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: player that he could had a hard time verbalizing it,

971
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 1: but he could go play you know, in real life

972
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: he could read it and he could pull it and

973
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: he could throw it out there. And he was one

974
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: of the best players I've ever had. But like when

975
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: it came to hey, what happened there? He's like, man,

976
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm just bollowing. I don't know, I'm just playing, you know,

977
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: like the guy I pulled it through it and it worked.

978
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I worked too, So so what happens?

979
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: You mentioned how competitive Gary Patterson is right, you're obviously

980
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: super hyper competitive guy as well. But you beat you

981
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: beat Wisconsin, that's you win the Rose Bowl. That's top

982
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: of whatever mountain you can't And at what point does

983
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: it become a thirst for more for you? You know?

984
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's like, okay, I did this,

985
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: Now I'm ready to be a head coach? Or how

986
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: did it have it work with with your brain when

987
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: you won that game? Yeah, that's interesting. Um, I didn't

988
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: know that I was ever ready. I felt like my

989
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: time at TCU was prepared herrying me for that though,

990
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: because of the autonomy Gary gave me on offense, so

991
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: he let you coach like now, I mean there was

992
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: the understanding of what how we needed to operate, some

993
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: big picture stuff, which I got, but Gary let me run.

994
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: He let me go, like I mean, you let me

995
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: go and and and what was his interaction like with

996
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: your offense in front of the kids. It was like

997
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: we would go compete against each other and if we

998
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: made an inch, Gary was pissed, like he took it

999
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: so like that's the way it was like. At times

1000
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: I would go into coaches office and the defense and

1001
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: the defense was his baby, and the offense is your

1002
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: big okay. But again, now so here's one and I

1003
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: guess the competitiveness makes it so. My dad ran into

1004
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: this a little bit when he was a long bee

1005
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: State text winner was the head coach. Text Swinner is

1006
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: the architect of the triangle um um. It was called

1007
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: the triple post then. But what he thought was because

1008
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: he so into the offense, he gave my dad defense,

1009
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: but he'd actually leave the gym when they were doing defense.

1010
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: He's like kind of hard to get your kids to

1011
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: buy in when your coach. Yeah, when he doesn't doesn't stay. Yeah,

1012
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: So how did you? How did you? How did that

1013
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: affect you that he wasn't as evolved. It was awesome because,

1014
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: like Gary is such a dominating figure. There was this

1015
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: over this presence of expectation of hard work and toughness

1016
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: that permeated through the defense into the offense. And two

1017
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: special teams. So I felt like it was up to

1018
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: me to try in my own personality to be his

1019
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: demanding of our guys as Gary was of his guys. Now, um,

1020
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: I didn't do it the same way, Like my personality

1021
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: is different than Gary's. But it was a highly competitive environment,

1022
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: and I think Gary appreciated that. I understood, like we

1023
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: could go, we could go compete, and I knew he

1024
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: was the head coach, you know what I mean. Like

1025
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna like if he wanted to jump my ass.

1026
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: It was like, that's fine, I can handle that. It's

1027
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: not like you're not gonna hurt my feelings, you know

1028
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: what I mean. But there'll be times when I were

1029
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: going too opic like Gary, like, um, are we going

1030
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: ad on these couple of things, because you know you

1031
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: mentioned this in the staff meeting and you know that,

1032
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: Like I just want to make sure we're on the

1033
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: same page and you're getting what you want. And you

1034
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: would say, oh, don't worry about that. He's like, I'm

1035
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: just blowing off steam, like you guys are doing good.

1036
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: If I got a problem, then I'll meet with you

1037
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: one on one. Keep going, you know that kind of deal,

1038
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: That kind of let it, but it was competing, I

1039
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: mean like scrimmages and oh my god, I mean it was.

1040
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: It was, and it made us better because every day,

1041
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: like he approached full camp like he was playing us,

1042
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: like from day one, we're getting schemed right out of gate,

1043
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: and and it was like it it forced you to

1044
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: constantly be changing and questioning what you're doing because if

1045
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: you did it, he was gonna take you out there

1046
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: and beat your brains into the into the pavement. The um.

1047
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: How many other jobs had you come close to before

1048
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: you got Memphis? Um? Zero head coaching jobs as I interviewed.

1049
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: I did not interview for a single head coaching job. UM.

1050
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: Before the Memphis job. None. I thought I was gonna.

1051
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to get an interview the

1052
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: year before. So I was there for one more year

1053
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,919
Speaker 1: after the Rose Bowl. UM. But after the Rose Bowl,

1054
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: the Tulsa job came open, and I thought I was

1055
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: going to get an interview for the Tulsa job, and

1056
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: I didn't, And they hired Bill blankets Ship, my old

1057
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: high school coach. So that was cool. But um, so no,

1058
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: I I didn't. I talked to a couple of people

1059
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: about offensive coordinator jobs that that I, you know, like

1060
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Speaker 1: I made a promise to myself. I went to two

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Speaker 1: to talk to two people about offensive coordinator jobs. One

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Speaker 1: was Lane Kiffin at USC and one was Dabbo at Clemson.

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Speaker 1: And and I really uh didn't want I wouldn't want

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Speaker 1: to say I didn't want to go, but like I

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Speaker 1: really probably wasn't gonna move to southern California. And Lane

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Speaker 1: didn't want to guy to call the plays anyway he

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Speaker 1: was going to do it. But I really was just

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Speaker 1: happy at TCU, And I kind of made a pack

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Speaker 1: to myself into that that I wasn't gonna go on

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Speaker 1: any more of those unless I was going to go

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Speaker 1: try and win, you know, and and yeah, unless I

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Speaker 1: was gonna go like walk in the room and say

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Speaker 1: I'm the best guy. This is why. Then I wasn't

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Speaker 1: gonna do anymore of that. So but literally the Memphis

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Speaker 1: job was the first one that was the first head

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Speaker 1: coaching job I ever interview. I thought it went well.

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Speaker 1: I remember city like over Christmas, which for me personally,

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Speaker 1: and I have anything against New Yorker's but that's too

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Speaker 1: much city for me. Okay, Like oh yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: people everywhere like I need some open spaces right. Um,

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Speaker 1: so like I remember taking a cab to go interview. No,

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Speaker 1: they were there all there because they had and they

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Speaker 1: had they had a guy, one of the guys on

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Speaker 1: the committee was a former CEO of Saxeth Avenue and

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Speaker 1: they had an office down there. So they flew me

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Speaker 1: down there and I walked in and interviewed, and I

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Speaker 1: went in to go win, you know, like I went

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Speaker 1: into to go attack the interview. Made a million mistakes

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Speaker 1: in the interview, but I no, like I didn't have

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Speaker 1: tabs on my what's the what's the biggest mistake meant? So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, these are stupid things. So like I'm going

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Speaker 1: into interview for a head coaching job and I had

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Speaker 1: this this binder. I don't have page numbers or as well.

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01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: It's hard to navigate through the binder if you can't

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Speaker 1: if you don't know, like, that's that's not very smart.

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Speaker 1: The other part of it was I don't know how

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Speaker 1: many pages weren't it. Let's just say it was a hundred.

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Speaker 1: If there's a hundred pages in it, I would say, um,

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Speaker 1: sixty pages were me, forty pages were fluff. I should

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Speaker 1: have never put the forty page. The other forty pages

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Speaker 1: and you don't need that, Like put you and what

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Speaker 1: you like and what you want in there and go

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Speaker 1: go do that, like you don't need that other crap,

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Speaker 1: you know. Um, But I interviewed for a little over

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Speaker 1: an hour and I walked out. I remember standing on

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Speaker 1: the corner of the street and remember thinking that was fun,

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Speaker 1: you know, like I went in there and like just

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Speaker 1: laid it on the line. But they will never hire me.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, I remember saying, I gotta get back because

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Speaker 1: we got practice tomorrow and we gotta get Rent through

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Speaker 1: the ball game the next day. So so I'm in

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Speaker 1: there um with bull prep we're gonna play in the

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Speaker 1: Point Cia Bowl. And Gary comes and says, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: they're gonna offer you the job in Memphis. I said, no,

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Speaker 1: they're not. He said, yeah, they are. I said, Gary,

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Speaker 1: they're not. I appreciate that, but but they're not. And

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Speaker 1: then he kind of pulled the head coach. He's like,

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Speaker 1: listen to me, dip shit. I'm telling you, Fred Smith

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Speaker 1: is gonna call me the CEO of fed X in

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Speaker 1: ten minutes. I'm gonna talk to him and they're gonna

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Speaker 1: offer you the job. Okay, I'm Mark like panic, like

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Speaker 1: are you serious? So sure enough? That? Um, I don't

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Speaker 1: remember how much longer it was, but my agent calls

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Speaker 1: says they're gonna offer your job, and I kid you not,

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Speaker 1: this is stupid. I was. I said, awesome, when do

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Speaker 1: I get to come out there and visit? He goes

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Speaker 1: what I said, Well, I said, when do I get

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Speaker 1: to Yeah, I said, when it comes to take the job.

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Speaker 1: It's not how this works, like you got about thirty minutes. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so this this is but and you would have It's

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Speaker 1: like one of those things like if they would have

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Speaker 1: said like okay six or that, like, so how do

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Speaker 1: you establish well, we don't have to worry. I'm like, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: like because I figured, like I didn't know. I had

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Speaker 1: no idea. I'll be honestly, I had no clue. Right,

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Speaker 1: I knew what I made it at Memphis, I mean

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Speaker 1: at at TCU, and that was mormonting that we whatever

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Speaker 1: spent you know what I mean. Like I was just

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Speaker 1: we had just bought a house because I told Jenn,

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Speaker 1: I said, we'll never leave here. We'll be here for

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Speaker 1: ten more years. We just found a house and I

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Speaker 1: just had my second kid. Jenny just had our second daughter,

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Speaker 1: and uh, they call them. They're like, well, here's the contract. Deal,

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Speaker 1: like it's five years basically. I think it's like five years,

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Speaker 1: five million dollars. I'm like, what's like? Yeah, I said,

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Speaker 1: are you serious? He's like, well, yeah, what's the matter.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I thought it would be half that.

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Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, so are you in around. I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: I need to call my wife because I didn't think.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, like my whole world just got

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Speaker 1: flipped upside down. Like yeah, I had been preparing for it,

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Speaker 1: and yes I wanted to go get it and all

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Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, But I never thought they'd offered

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Speaker 1: to me that they did offer to me. I didn't

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Speaker 1: really think it'd be like terms that that I was.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, holy crap, I gotta make a decision. So

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Speaker 1: I called Jenny and Jay's like, let's do it. And

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Speaker 1: I call my dad. He's like, what do you think.

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Speaker 1: He's like, they're not very good. I'm like, no, no,

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Speaker 1: they're not. That's there. So he did it. Oh that

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Speaker 1: was good stuff, right, Okay, So listen. Part three is

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Speaker 1: gonna drop in a couple of days. We chronicle what

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Speaker 1: went right what went wrong at Memphis, How I got

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Speaker 1: to Virginia Tech, What went right? When went wrong? There

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Speaker 1: a lot of different little things and what's next for

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Speaker 1: for Justin went to I think it's it's it's really

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Speaker 1: interesting on what happens with some of these star young

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Speaker 1: coaches when they lose a job. What do you do?

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Speaker 1: He was so open, you're gonna love it. Reminder the

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Speaker 1: Doug Otlam Show daily three to five Eastern. We have

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Speaker 1: the in the Bonus podcast, which is an hour of

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Speaker 1: just you know, there's no regulations, it's it's daily sports talk.

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Speaker 1: In many ways, like I think it marries really well

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Speaker 1: to the radio show, which is three to five Eastern,

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Speaker 1: twelve to two Pacific on your I Heart Radio app

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Speaker 1: or Fox Sports Radio, foxport Trado dot com. And then

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Speaker 1: the pod drops immediately after it's called in the Bonus.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, like, if you just want to listen

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Speaker 1: in the Bonus, you can do that too. Of course

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Speaker 1: the radio show is available. It's a little confusing, but

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Speaker 1: if you like our stuff, I think you really really

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Speaker 1: like that, stay tuned for part three. I'm Doug gottlie My.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Justin Plente for being so open. This is

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Speaker 1: all bol