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Speaker 1: Oh, Steve Taspers time to time over time, right back

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Speaker 1: at a good afternoon Wednesday afternoon, the day before the Draft.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Orchard Park. Welcome to the home of the

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Speaker 1: Bills New Airfield. John Murphy, Steve Tasker. It is One

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Speaker 1: Bills Live from One Bills Drive. We are here until

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Speaker 1: three o'clock today to preview the draft. That's why we've

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Speaker 1: been doing I've been doing it for a while. Now.

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Speaker 1: the Draft is tomorrow, believe it or not. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show. I know you know that, listeners, I know

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Speaker 1: you know the Draft is tomorrow. You're kind of waiting

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Speaker 1: along with us. You can't dodge it. You can't dodge it.

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Speaker 1: And you know it's not just an NFL thing it is.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about it today, the fact that and

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Speaker 1: I wrote this down for the sports you know, the Draft.

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Speaker 1: This year, for the first time, ABC is going to

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Speaker 1: broadcast all three days of the draft. So it's three

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Speaker 1: and from ABC News. What does it say about us

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Speaker 1: Draft gets more coverage than what a political convention. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: more ratings, right, Yeah, we're so far. It's yeah, it's um,

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Speaker 1: more important than certainly Stanley Cup playoffs. I'm sure they'll

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Speaker 1: And here we are to preview for you today from

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Speaker 1: take a little trip down memory lane. Well none of

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Speaker 1: us have memories of the Rochester Jeffersons, but a trip

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Speaker 1: the Bills will announce one of their draft picks from Rochester.

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Speaker 1: It's part of the NFL commemoration of a hundred years

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Speaker 1: the memory of the Rochester Jeffersons one hundred years ago

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Speaker 1: that's going up on Buffalo bills dot com tomorrow about

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Speaker 1: the ten picks. How it's good to have volume, right,

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Speaker 1: you have, you have wherewithal to make moves if you

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Speaker 1: want to. Although the Bills ten picks, it's one pick

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Speaker 1: in each of the first three rounds two and the

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Speaker 1: fourth two, and the fifth, one in the sixth, two

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Speaker 1: and the seventh, So it's not like they have ten

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Speaker 1: premium picks. But they do have ten picks. But the

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Speaker 1: question comes the day before the draft, Steve, what can

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Speaker 1: you do with those picks? In other words, with the

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Speaker 1: six picks out of their final seven six picks from

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Speaker 1: the fourth six Saturday picks, we'll say, right fourth through

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Speaker 1: the seventh round. Are they better off maybe cutting that

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Speaker 1: number down and trying to put some of those groups

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Speaker 1: together and getting a chance for a more impactful player.

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Speaker 1: I think it's debatable. Volume is good. I said Stevie

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Speaker 1: Johnson was a seventh rounder, a very very good player

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Speaker 1: came in the seventh round just eleven years ago, the

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Speaker 1: last time the Bills had ten picks. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: you know that there's a better chance that somebody chosen

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Speaker 1: what in the top one hundred we'll have it has

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Speaker 1: to make the roster than somebody chosen in the bottom

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Speaker 1: one hundred, Right, So you'd rather have high picks if

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Speaker 1: you can. Mark Gone, our friend from the Buffalo News.

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Speaker 1: It wrote an interesting piece in the Buffalo News. I

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Speaker 1: think it went up today, maybe it goes up tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: He asserts that the Bills need quality, not quantity. From

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Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen draft class. It's an interesting debate. I

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Speaker 1: think it's good to have ten picks. It's good to

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's better than having seven. But I think

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Speaker 1: he makes also a valid point that those ten picks,

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Speaker 1: including six in the last four rounds or three rounds,

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Speaker 1: really that doesn't it doesn't help you as much as

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Speaker 1: it might. Maybe you want to put some of those

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Speaker 1: together and move up to get a better players. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he makes a good He's got some good emphasis on

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Speaker 1: getting starters out of it. The number you would like

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Speaker 1: to shoot four in the draft, and I didn't really

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Speaker 1: had never really put it in these terms. And Brandon

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Speaker 1: Bean is quoted in the article is saying the same

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Speaker 1: thing you want. Your target is like get three guys

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Speaker 1: out of the draft that turned to starters. Right. It

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Speaker 1: becomes starters pretty pretty quick. And in the last last

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Speaker 1: year's draft, the Bills had like five or six guys

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Speaker 1: that took starters snaps. Now, certainly it was a team

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Speaker 1: that win ten and six or six and ten, right, So,

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Speaker 1: but you got Josh Allen, Tremaine, Edmunds, Robert Foster, Wyatt, Teller,

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Speaker 1: Harrison Phillips, Tarren Johnson, and Levi Wallace. Now some of

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Speaker 1: those guys tarn Johnson, Levi Wallace, most nobly are pretty

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Speaker 1: good players. They turned out to be pretty good players.

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Speaker 1: Robert Foster was a starter, and of course Josh Allenson,

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Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmund. So you've got some guys on that list

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Speaker 1: that are pretty quality players this early in their career. Now,

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Speaker 1: certainly they've got us take a step forward, most notably

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Speaker 1: Josh and Tremaine. But those are guys that really really contributed.

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Speaker 1: Now it's twenty seventeen. Before that, you've got Tradavious White,

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Speaker 1: Zay Jones, Dion Dawkins, Matt Milano. Then of course, you

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Speaker 1: know Peterman and Valejo rounded out that draft for Leathan Peterman,

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Speaker 1: Tanner Vallejo, and neither one of those guys is here.

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Speaker 1: But you've got four guys that are starters for you

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Speaker 1: as a Jones, Yeah, four guys that are starters. So

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Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's that's a good draft in seventeen if

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Speaker 1: those guys continue to be starters for your club and

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Speaker 1: turn out to be productive. Now, Zay Jones, you know

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Speaker 1: you're thinking, well, the receivers didn't do it, Let's see

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Speaker 1: if they can take a step forward. But the thought

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Speaker 1: you get four solid starters year after year in your draft,

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Speaker 1: you're you're deep in the playoff a lot because you're

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Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna load your team with guys who put

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Speaker 1: this I would quibble a little bit. First of all,

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Speaker 1: in that case twenty seventeen, you had a brand new regime, right,

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Speaker 1: which was predisposed of finding new talent getting their guys

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Speaker 1: in the line of new system. Secondly, it's easier to

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Speaker 1: teams that are not as good a six win Buffalo

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Speaker 1: team last year. Yeah, you better have some rookies playing,

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Speaker 1: starting and contributing your Otherwise you're in trouble. If you're

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Speaker 1: if you're lengthy veterans and you're only winning six games,

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Speaker 1: you have a problem. And I think that kind of

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Speaker 1: colors those numbers a little bit. That's right, And it's

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Speaker 1: hard to it's hard to say that the you know,

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Speaker 1: you can you know, type this story and etch it

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Speaker 1: in Stone. It's it's on inc you know, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know it's not it's not ch Stone because there

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Speaker 1: are some some caveats with the statistics, because you're right.

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Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen they got more out of less than

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Speaker 1: playoffs and went nine and seven with a with a

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Speaker 1: roster that was on paper. You know, you take away

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Speaker 1: more cell Darius that year, you take away Sammy Watkins

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Speaker 1: but they went further, they got to the playoffs, and

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Speaker 1: so there's all this stuff that flies in the face

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Speaker 1: of sheer analytics and statistics. But the thought is this

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Speaker 1: when push comes to show, when you're talking about this draft,

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Speaker 1: you need. Your target is to get three guys out

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Speaker 1: become really good pros, not just for one year. They

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Speaker 1: start one year because you got nobody else or because

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Speaker 1: you got a train wreck of injuries. Now you can

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Speaker 1: make that argument with guys like Wyatt Teller, even Zay

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Speaker 1: some significant snaps mostly because their position groups were decimated

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Speaker 1: or unproductive and they didn't have anybody else to put in.

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Speaker 1: But at the draft, you want to get three guys

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Speaker 1: this conversation, Mervy, there's no question number nine pick, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get a quality player who's gonna who's gonna give

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Speaker 1: you some some contribute this year. He's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: gonna get a pretty good player there too. Seventy four.

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Speaker 1: Now you're starting to think, well, maybe not. And then

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Speaker 1: get guys who have a better chance, maybe fewer guys.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't get ten, maybe you'd get five. Maybe you'd

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Speaker 1: one thirty one the Bills have one hundred and twelfth

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get four guys that contribute. You know, maybe

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's enough capital there to do it.

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Speaker 1: You'd have to package next year's fifth and sixth or

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Speaker 1: seventh round pick two or players. There's not Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: I just looked at we talked about this late last week,

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Speaker 1: put them together, you got about eighty points on the

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson chart eight not much. Eighty points get you

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Speaker 1: that's all five of those guys get you one more pick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And obviously, if you know it's not a lot, it's

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Speaker 1: not a lot. Fourth round pick for everything that comes

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Speaker 1: the Bills seven picks, put them all together, Trade him

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Speaker 1: be worth it to me. To the question again, Mark

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Speaker 1: On rates about it in the Buffalo News. Quality quantity. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you want quality no matter where you pick. But if

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Speaker 1: would you say, let's take ten. Look, Kyle Williams came

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Speaker 1: Stevie Johnson came in the seventh round. There is value

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Speaker 1: if you're scouting well and developing well, which always gets

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Speaker 1: And that's where as you said, the Bills they have

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Speaker 1: Matt Milano fifth round pick. Yeah, you can get guys

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Speaker 1: Brady would tell you this. I think Stevie Johnson would

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Speaker 1: And what I know that is the case for me.

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Speaker 1: the analytics guys say, hey, you got if it's fourth

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Speaker 1: behind that offensive line on a fourth whatever. Analytics meets

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Speaker 1: So you know the analytics of saying, listen, you need quality,

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Speaker 1: don't know, I'd rather Would you rather have ten swings

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Speaker 1: at a you know, at a in a small pond,

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Speaker 1: or rather have one big cast into the big ocean

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Speaker 1: You get one shot at that, right, So it's a

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Speaker 1: tough call, um, and you have to have find somebody

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Speaker 1: who's willing to say, yeah, I'll yeah, I'll do the

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Speaker 1: opposite of that. Yeah, I'll take all your late round

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Speaker 1: picks because we're gonna we're gonna draft better than you,

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Speaker 1: right right, We're gonna be able to pick guys better

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Speaker 1: than you in the fifth, sixth, and seventh rounds and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna find a diamond in there. And and this

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Speaker 1: is critical and never gets talked about this time of year.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna pick guys late and we're going to

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Speaker 1: develop it, develop them and coach them and make them

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Speaker 1: into the type of player we're looking for. People don't

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Speaker 1: think about that in the draft. They think about you

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Speaker 1: know the measurables, and yeah, you know what they look like.

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Speaker 1: That comes down to a guy like Sean McDermot two

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Speaker 1: years ago. He's a brand new coach, new new system,

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Speaker 1: new regime. We've got. We're gonna have a year or

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Speaker 1: two to develop a couple of guys. Right, we're just

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Speaker 1: getting started here, and we're gonna have we've got a

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Speaker 1: honeymoon period where we're gonna we're gonna have we just

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Speaker 1: started and they're gonna let us install our programs. So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get some guys that we can develop. But

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Speaker 1: then what happens if you get a guy like like

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Speaker 1: a Pete Carroll in Seattle or somebody who doesn't have

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Speaker 1: that kind of word, Well, a guy who's on his

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Speaker 1: who's already got to win now, like a Ron River

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Speaker 1: in and out of the playoffs. Now does he have

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Speaker 1: time to wait another two years to develop a couple

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Speaker 1: of players or his quarterback's going to be at the

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Speaker 1: end of his rope. In Pittsburgh, Mike Tomlin Ben Rothsburg,

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Speaker 1: an example your quarterback has been great, but he's at

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Speaker 1: the end of his career like a Philip Rivers. Do

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Speaker 1: we have time to wait on a number one receiver

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Speaker 1: to take two years to develop when Philip's going to

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Speaker 1: be gone in two years? You know? You get That's

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Speaker 1: why the team that picks these fifth and sixth and

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Speaker 1: seventh rounders is just as important as the fifth and

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Speaker 1: sixth and seventh rounders themselves. Absolutely. Hey, we've made it

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Speaker 1: pretty clear. I think over the last few days that

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Speaker 1: we don't know who the Bills are going to select,

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Speaker 1: and most of our listeners don't know with certainty either,

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Speaker 1: But we want to know what would make you surprised

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Speaker 1: on Thursday night. By the way, Thursday, Big Date Tomorrow, Thursday?

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Speaker 1: What am I talking about? Tomorrow? We're on the here

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Speaker 1: noon to three, and then we're back on the air

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Speaker 1: radio only on our flagship in Buffalo, WGR Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: five fifty back on the air eight pm until whenever

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow night to cover the Bills selection in Round one

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Speaker 1: of the Draft. Now, as you think about the draft,

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Speaker 1: we're asking you today to consider this on our Twitter poll,

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Speaker 1: what Bills move Thursday night would shock you the most?

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Speaker 1: Like you think you have a pretty good handle of

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Speaker 1: what the Bills are looking for. But they've sat in

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Speaker 1: this pre draft period, who they've visited with, who they

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Speaker 1: seem to like, what their needs are. But what move

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Speaker 1: would absolutely put you on the floor and shock you

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Speaker 1: the most? That's our Twitter poll today. We want you

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Speaker 1: to participate. The phone lines open eight oh three oh

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Speaker 1: five fifty toll free one eight eight five fifty two

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Speaker 1: five fifty. You can send in a tweet at one

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Speaker 1: Bills Live. We may use it on the air, may

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Speaker 1: read it in our tweet sheet. What Buffalo Bills move

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Speaker 1: would shock you the most? On Thursday night, you can

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Speaker 1: vote in the Twitter poll and we've got a pretty

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Speaker 1: good vote coming up already a thousand votes in so far,

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Speaker 1: not even twenty five minutes into the show. What move

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Speaker 1: would shock you the most? Twenty eight thirty five percent

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Speaker 1: of you say a trade up would shock you the most. Sore.

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Speaker 1: More than a third of you say trading up the

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Speaker 1: Bills moving up up above the ninth overall pick would

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Speaker 1: shock you the most. Twenty eight percent say the trade

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Speaker 1: picks for a player a currently established player in the league.

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Speaker 1: I don't see that happening at all, right, twenty eight

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Speaker 1: percent of you say that would shock you the most

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Speaker 1: twenty six percent, And I think that's kind of high, say,

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Speaker 1: drafting a cornerback. We've had the guys on a couple

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Speaker 1: of guys now from Pro Football Focus talking about Byron Murphy,

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Speaker 1: the Watchington quarterback, drafting him in the first round twenty

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Speaker 1: six percent. A quarter of you say that would shock

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Speaker 1: you the most. Other twelve percent give us a call,

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Speaker 1: let us know what Buffalo Bills move tomorrow night would

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Speaker 1: shock you the most. Yeah, the cornerback thing isn't those

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Speaker 1: are the analytics people. What do you mean, Well, they

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Speaker 1: the analytics say corners are more important than edge rushers.

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Speaker 1: That's what the analytics guys say. So that's why some

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Speaker 1: analytics people have the Bills taken a corner instead of

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Speaker 1: the edge rusher. They can get the top because everybody's

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Speaker 1: there's so many edge rushers in this draft that the

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Speaker 1: corners are gonna go undrafted because everybody wants an edge rusher. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so they think the corners are gonna drop a little

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Speaker 1: bit and you can get maybe the absolute best corner

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Speaker 1: in this draft if you think he's worthy at number

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Speaker 1: nine and your defense gets better than it would have

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Speaker 1: if you've gotten the best edge rusher, see what I'm saying. So,

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Speaker 1: because you've already got Tredavious White here, you've got Jordan Poor,

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Speaker 1: or you've got Micah High, you'd have a secondary with

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Speaker 1: Tarren Johnson coming back, Levi Wallace, guys who really made

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Speaker 1: big splashes as young players in the league. You've got

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Speaker 1: a secondary that is maybe the most talented in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, if you get the top corner

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Speaker 1: in the draft, you've got depth, you've got youth, and

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Speaker 1: you they're coming off a top five season the league

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Speaker 1: as a total defense last year, and you're you know,

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Speaker 1: so they're some thought that that might be the guy.

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Speaker 1: But everybody, you know, but corners aren't as sexy a

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Speaker 1: pick as a guy who gets the quarterback down. Everybody

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Speaker 1: wants to see Tom Brady get tent pegged, you know.

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Speaker 1: So there's that thought that the Bills at number nine

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Speaker 1: might get the top corner in the draft. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: so the people who have mocked him to the Bills

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Speaker 1: from PF so twenty six percent of you, of the

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Speaker 1: thousand and fifty people who have voted, think, yeah that

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Speaker 1: it would surprise me to do that. But maybe, well,

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm looking at this wrong. I guess I am,

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Speaker 1: because the thirty five the sixty sixty three percent of

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Speaker 1: the people would not be surprised by a cornerback. They'd

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Speaker 1: be more surprised if they did something else. So the

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Speaker 1: cornerback maybe is making more sense to them than trading

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Speaker 1: up or trading picks for a player. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, well, look in my mind, and I've

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Speaker 1: said this before, Marv. You's see it all the time.

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Speaker 1: You can never be too rich, too thin, or have

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Speaker 1: too many corners. And people get bored of cornerback selections

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Speaker 1: because you have to do it a lot. Because you

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Speaker 1: need three to be ready to play slash start, and

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Speaker 1: you need at least five and probably more like six

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Speaker 1: to be on your game day roster every Sunday. You

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Speaker 1: need corners Byron Murphy is by all accounts, and this

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Speaker 1: comes from Great Cosell and from the two guys from PF,

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Speaker 1: Steve Palazzolo and Sam Monson. He would be an absolute

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Speaker 1: perfect fit for the type of defensive scheme the Bills

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Speaker 1: play in the in the secondary, in the backfield. You

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Speaker 1: got a defensive minded head coach. Um it's not out

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Speaker 1: of the realm of possible that a corner maybe Byron Murphy,

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Speaker 1: maybe somebody else could be selected by the Bills in

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Speaker 1: the first round. Yeah, they're certainly gonna draft with somebody

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Speaker 1: in their ten they have right now, right somebody, some

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Speaker 1: cornerbacks gonna be drafted by the Bills is coming. We think,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, don't you. I don't know. Oh yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: put money out these and these. This is a really

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Speaker 1: this a horse race, And I think the reason why

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Speaker 1: five only a quarter of the people out there would

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Speaker 1: be shocked if they drafted a cornerbacks. That means seventy

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Speaker 1: five percent of the people would be we're shocked by

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Speaker 1: something else, and maybe they think the other stuff is

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Speaker 1: so outlandish they would shock them. Trading up, that's not

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Speaker 1: out of the possibility realm of possibility for me. With

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Speaker 1: all the late round draft picks they can stockpile along

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Speaker 1: with the number nine pick, they could move up to

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Speaker 1: the number five. It would take the number one, it

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Speaker 1: the I think seventy fourth pick to move up to

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Speaker 1: like number four, where Oakland is well, there you go,

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Speaker 1: that's you can do it. If they trade up, I'd

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Speaker 1: be stunned if they trade up for a player they

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Speaker 1: have in mind that they absolutely feel like they have

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Speaker 1: to have. I'd be stunned on a couple accounts, including

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Speaker 1: the fact that they have offered and they're good at this.

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Speaker 1: They've offered no signals that there's one player they really

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Speaker 1: really want, right you listen, they're good at this. That's

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Speaker 1: to say the least. You and I live in the

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Speaker 1: building and we you know, try and get guests song.

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Speaker 1: We asked them and they're like they like, they are

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Speaker 1: like totally don't want to come talk to us because

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Speaker 1: they know we're on the air three hours live every day.

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Speaker 1: So if they tell us anything, yeah, I wouldn't be trustworthy.

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Speaker 1: I would. I would, you know, I would just tell everything.

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Speaker 1: Here's who we're gonna take, here's what I think. You

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Speaker 1: know that, so they know so they they are really

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Speaker 1: close to the vest. They you know, the draft rooms

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Speaker 1: got a padlock on it, you know all that. I

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Speaker 1: think I'm exaggerating, but they're really playing it close to

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Speaker 1: the vest, and I think all these teams are. I

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Speaker 1: think I've noticed it more so this year than in

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Speaker 1: years past. Everybody says they're not doing but man, oh man,

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Speaker 1: they're the circle of trust. It's smaller now five years

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Speaker 1: ago it would it would, Yeah, a coffee table would

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Speaker 1: look deserted with the people about it. All right, So

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Speaker 1: a couple of things to talk about today. What Bills

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Speaker 1: move would shock you the most on Thursday night, give

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Speaker 1: us a column. We'll discuss that. And what do you

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Speaker 1: think quality or quantity for the Bills this year in

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Speaker 1: the draft? Should they stay with all ten picks and

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Speaker 1: use all ten selections they kind of maneuver around a

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Speaker 1: little bit and maybe move up a little bit. That'd

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Speaker 1: be difficult to do, but still possible. What do you

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Speaker 1: think of those two issues. We're gonna talk about NFL history,

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking about sirious NFL history, one hundred year

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Speaker 1: old history. In this one hundredth season of NFL football,

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Speaker 1: the Rochester Jeffersons will talk with John Stephanagan, who knows

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Speaker 1: a lot about that team is his great grandfather was

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Speaker 1: the founder, player, coach manager of the Rochester Jeffersons. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk with John Stephenagan live in studio when we come back.

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Speaker 1: Come on back, One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back, John Murphy, Steve

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Speaker 1: Tasker Company alive from One Bill's Drive. Here until three

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Speaker 1: o'clock today with the show. Hey, this weekend is actually

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Speaker 1: we're at the incipient stages of the NFL celebration. The

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Speaker 1: NFL one hundred. You know, the deal is the one

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Speaker 1: hundredth season of NFL football, and this weekend they're going

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Speaker 1: to celebrate some of the original towns, the birthplaces, if

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Speaker 1: you will. Eight original towns outside of the thirty two

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Speaker 1: current NFL markets are going to host the NFL this

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Speaker 1: weekend Saturday in their hometowns to announced picks on Day

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Speaker 1: three of the draft. One of them right down the road.

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00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: Our friends in Rochester and joining us year John Stephenhagan

640
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: from Rochester. He is in charge of Rochester Jefferson's Dot Org,

641
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: the team that will be honored this Saturday. John, Welcome

642
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: to the show. Thanks you coming bye, Thank you very much.

643
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: Happy to hear that you're a listener of the show too. Yes, yes,

644
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: big fan. That's good fan. Thanks for doing it. Look,

645
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: until this was announced a couple of months ago, I

646
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: had never really heard of the Rochester Jeffersons. Who were they?

647
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: Who they were? They started back in eighteen ninety eight,

648
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: a bunch of Sandlott kids. Then my great grandfather joined

649
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: the team in nineteen o eight and sixteen years old.

650
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: A couple of years later he became the manager and

651
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: owner of the team. He was a millennial. He was

652
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: a millennial. But the ironic, ironic thing was that he

653
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: was ahead of his time. The more he tried to

654
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: pick up talent from outside of Rochester, the more of

655
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: the fans were like, no, no, we want Jimmy the

656
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: high school quarterback that you know. But then he guided

657
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: him to the state champions Between Buffalo All Americans and Rochester,

658
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: they pretty much dominated from nineteen ten to nineteen nineteen.

659
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: So the Jefferson started as a Sandlan team and then

660
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: became a semi pro team. Yeah, and then eventually your

661
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: great grandfather. Was that the famous hutmobile meeting in Camp Yeah,

662
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: that was in nineteen sixteen. The Rocher Jeffersons were the

663
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: state champions and in nineteen seventeen season rolled around. The

664
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: Canton Bulldogs were the biggest team with Jim Thorpe and

665
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: Leo wanted to getting more notoriety for his team, So

666
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: he contacted Jim Thorpe, booked a game with Jim Thorpe

667
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: and they played a game in nineteen seventeen. They lost

668
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: forty one nothing, but after the game, Jim Thorpe said,

669
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna be starting a league soon in a pro league.

670
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: Will contact you, So Leo kept in contact. In nineteen

671
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: twenty they met in the Hubblebile showroom. Leo Lyons was

672
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: your great grandfather. And did he in that group think

673
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: there was money to be made here in uh in football? Yore? Right? Yeah,

674
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: it was a very unusual situation, you know, to to

675
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: bring you know, most everything was popular with high school

676
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: and college and a pro game in football was like absurd,

677
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: you know. But he he he had the vision that

678
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, it was going to become a pro league sometime,

679
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, and he wanted to be part of it, right.

680
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: And then one of the things that happened was your

681
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: your father was he wanted to get the best players,

682
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: and really that turned into the demise of the team.

683
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: Really that because people in Rochester they wanted their guys

684
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: on the team and uh, and they wouldn't support a

685
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: team that was full appeal. They didn't know yeah, he would.

686
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: Uh he had Joe Alexander, which is a big player

687
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: for Syracuse. I mean he he brought kids from Texas, Pennsylvania,

688
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, and he figured, you know, I don't know what,

689
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: come and watch this kid. But the more he would

690
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: do that, the more that they would go against him.

691
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: As a different time, because people wanted to see the

692
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: local the local kids, more than they wanted to see

693
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: the team win. Almost right, Yeah, they wanted to see

694
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: their local kids compete rather than just see a team

695
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: dominate and say have the name Rochester. It's different. Era's

696
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: totally different era. Even when a thing like to get

697
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: up to fill the roster. My great grandfather would get

698
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: in trouble with Joe Carr, the first commissioner in the NFL,

699
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: for stealing kids from Syracuse that day. Yeah, would would

700
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: get them, put him on a train and then as

701
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: use alias as the next day in the NFL game,

702
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: because you know, to bring in talent, but to think

703
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: of how far it's come, you know, to have to

704
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: use aliases for players, how to fill the roster come

705
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: that far again. I got a quick story and he's deceased. Now,

706
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: he's a great guy. He lived in Kenmore Sam sallem me,

707
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: who do you know that name? I've heard? Yeah, he's

708
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: deceased now he would At one time, ten years ago,

709
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: he was the oldest remaining living NFL player. But he

710
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: did the same thing. He played at Columbia University. He

711
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: played football at Columbia. He played with the Luke garrit

712
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, and the Umba team, and

713
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: then played with the New York Yankees Pro Football on

714
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: Sundays under a different name. Right, Yeah, it's amazing how

715
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: far it's come. Um, well, how far it hasn't come?

716
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: Tell me about where did the Jefferson's play? How many

717
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: people would come? How much were the players making? Back

718
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: in the early nineteen hundreds, they played on Jefferson Avenue

719
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: where they got their name. Uh, it was you know,

720
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: that was back then. That's what they did. They named

721
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: it after the neighborhood. Um. But yeah, they came on

722
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: from there and and started to go how many how

723
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: much money were these guys making? Probably I have some

724
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: contracts for like fifty dollars one hundred dollars a game

725
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: for the season, No for a game or then it

726
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: would go to a season. But in the in the hundreds,

727
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: for sure, probably even into the NFL seasons. It was

728
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars and the games are on ESPN. Yes, many,

729
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: How many folks were they having in this game? Between

730
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: three thousand and five thousand the range, Yeah, Sundays. When

731
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: would they play Sundays? Yeah, and Brochester and Buffalo X

732
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: play Thanksgiving games? Oh wow, And so you brought some

733
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: We brought some paraphernalian as well, which is really interesting.

734
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: You know to me the football you brought, which is

735
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: probably worth some it's in rough shape. It's really it's

736
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: a pig's bladder. It's I mean it's there's no there's

737
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: no air hole or anything like that. I mean, it's

738
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: just yeah, it was it stuffed. It's stuffed with the Yeah,

739
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: the pig bladder, and they would stuff it with whatever material. Um.

740
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: The but this has been in a trunk for a

741
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: lot of years. It's shrunk. It used to be quite

742
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: a bit bigger. And then when he would feel it, it

743
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: it was bear because he would say that it was

744
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: hard to throw the ball because it was so Where

745
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: was it used. It was in nineteen twenty one Chicago

746
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: Bears versus Rochester. Jefferson's first game ball. That's the game

747
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: ball first game played at Wrigley Field for Chicago. Oh

748
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: there you go, Yeah, that's probably that's probably worthy cash.

749
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: It still left of the Wilson Athletic logo still on

750
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: there in a long time. And he got shoes and

751
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: you got also. So the Rochester Jefferson's wore red jerseys,

752
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: red jerseys. Yeah, and uh did the replicates that it's

753
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: a replica jersey because obviously the moss would probably have

754
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: eliminated jersey Jeffs. Yeah, that was their their logo. Uh um,

755
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: Ebbott Ebbott Field, Ebott, Ebbott's Field flannels. Wow, Okay, that's

756
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: really cool. But the rest of the uniforms. But the

757
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: rest of the uniform is from I believe my great grandfather.

758
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: It wasn't his trunk and my uncle said that it

759
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: was from the team. So these are the pants that

760
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: they wore and just pieces of plastic and there the

761
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: candid Yeah that's the weather wow. Yeah. And then the helmets.

762
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: You know, not much protected in there either, you know,

763
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: it's just a yeah yeah right. But they would have

764
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: the death toll, they would list it. I mean, if

765
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: you look at the death toll for players, yes, if

766
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: you look at the bottom they were nails. They actually

767
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: nailed the cleats nail in this one. The nails are

768
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: actually sticking out, So I mean kids would literally be

769
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: stomped on. And there was a death toll. Yeah. Yeah,

770
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: And so I know even in a worst reason that

771
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: they didn't want the pro league because they were more

772
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: of the rougher, bigger guys from the country. I know

773
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: that during the twenties, uh, I think it was fdr uh.

774
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: College football had a death toll as well, and it

775
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: was it was a rough It was at much different

776
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: game obviously, right, And he stepped in and said, either

777
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: you changed the game or I'm gonna And the NCAA

778
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: was formed and they took these step you had and

779
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: you hear words like the flying wedge and and all

780
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: these things, and it was it was a vicious sport.

781
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: It was a very vicious sport. Yeah. And it's for

782
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: a hundred bucks. I don't know, right, it was different.

783
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: It was different financial times and I know, but yeah,

784
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: it's congratulations on the Jefferson's being being honored with the this,

785
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: you know, going back and letting the Bills are gonna

786
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: make their which round picked six sixth round pick is

787
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: gonna be uh, and it's gonna be in Rochester. The

788
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: mayor is gonna make it. And where's it gonna be

789
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: in Rochester? Cornhill? I believe. I think that's a view

790
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: of the bridge there in Rochester, the new Bitch. Yeah,

791
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: and folks would stop, all right, you're gonna speak a

792
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: little bit about the history were there. Yeah, I'll be there.

793
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what capacity, but yeah, I'll be there

794
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: with the mayor. One more question about your your great

795
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 1: grandfather Leo Lyons, who was there in the Hutmobile dealership

796
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: in Canton where the league was born, but he maintained

797
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: relationships with a lot of people, including George Hallis, right right, Yeah,

798
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: when as win in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, I

799
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: would go to his house when I was eight years

800
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: old and my mom would say she'd be quiet. You know,

801
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: Leo's got visitors over, maybe two gold guys smoking on

802
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: the back, and I'd find out that that was Art

803
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: Rooney's senior one year was Vince Sombardi. And then George

804
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: Hallis was there once as well. So he was behind

805
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: the opening of the Hall of Fame because before Canton, Ohio,

806
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: he would collect a lot of this stuff because back

807
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: you know back in the thirties and that they really

808
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: didn't think it was gonna take off, but he did.

809
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: So he kept a lot of that and he was

810
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: there at the coin toss and everything in Canton opening ceremonies.

811
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: It was decades before it took yeah, and uh it was.

812
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: And the relationship they had with television was really pioneering

813
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: for the NFL, right, and that changed everything, and that

814
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: that set it off on the growth. And it was

815
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: it was neat because Pete Roselle was also a friend

816
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: of Leo and and it was always friction because Pete

817
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: Roselle was the new NFL the TV contracts and you know,

818
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: Leo was the old school. But the two of them

819
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: would keep together and you know, he came to his

820
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: funeral and when Leo passed away, and they were good friends.

821
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: Think it's really cool that the league is doing this

822
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: not just in Rochester but all over the place this weekend, right,

823
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's nice style. Yeah, it's nice to you

824
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: know Dayton, some of the other places. Yeah, you've got Akron, Dayton, Canton, Buffalo, Chicago, Cleveland,

825
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: of course, you know all these old time cities where

826
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: it all started, they're all within in a century. They're

827
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: all within train ride or driving rights. Right. Yeah, yeah,

828
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: it was all train rides and it was that was

829
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: definitely different. That's great, John, congratulations for keeping the Jeff's

830
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: memory alive. Hang out to that jersey. That's John Stephan

831
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: and football too ywhere. Yeah, they're gonna celebrate it on

832
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: Saturday in Rochester. What time do you think in sixth round? Noon?

833
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: I okay, they said to be there noon, so I'm

834
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 1: not sure exactly what you're gonna make the picks from Rochester.

835
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: The Bills are and then the sixth round pick will

836
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: be made by Rochester Mayor Lovely Warren and she will

837
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: announce the team sixth round pick, part of the NFL

838
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: one hundred celebration thirteen original towns, including Rochester this Saturday.

839
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: Thank you, John, Thank you very much. Stephen. I coming

840
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: back with more One Bills Live from One Bill's Drive

841
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: on Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back. The show's called One

842
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: Goes Live. I'm John Murphy alongside Steve Tansker. We're here

843
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: until three o'clock today. We're gonna talk a lot more

844
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: about the draft as the afternoon goes along. But I'm

845
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: glad we took a little dip into NFL history that

846
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: as the NFL is on Saturday, part of the thirteen

847
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: original towns, the Bills will celebrate in Rochester, partnering with

848
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: the Rochester Jeffersons. That was really cool to talk about.

849
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: We talked with John Stephanangan about it, who clearly has

850
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: an interest in it and and family ties to the

851
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: Rochester Jeffersons. That was amazing, right. Yeah, he goes over

852
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: to his grandfathers has a great grandfather's house, and guys

853
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: like Art Rooney and George Hollis and Vince Lombardi are

854
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: hanging out smoking cigars on the back patio talking about,

855
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: you know, how the league's going and what should happen

856
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: and the new Hall of Fame that's going in with

857
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: Pete Roselle shows up. Man, that's amazing. Those are those

858
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: are those are big big names. Those conversations were about,

859
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: I mean, we're would Vince Lombardi and those guys be

860
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: quizzing John's great grandfather, Leo about what was it like

861
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: back in the day, You know what I mean? Leo Lyons, Yeah,

862
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: that or there or I think more accurately advice on

863
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: how to run their team and run the league and

864
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: what he would do if he was doing it, because

865
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: he obviously his father had ideas that were forward thinking

866
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: in his day about getting players from all over and

867
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: bringing them to your town and making your team more

868
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: than just local players. So maybe there was some of

869
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: that in it. What you you know, maybe it's all

870
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 1: about recruiting for all that goes. You know, who knows,

871
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, really good stuff and if you're interested, they

872
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: will be there in Rochester. Part of the NFL's or

873
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 1: thirteen original Talent celebration this Saturday is John said around

874
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: noon or so, Mayor Lovely Warren of Rochester will announce

875
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: the Bills six round selection. That'll be later in the day.

876
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: The draft stars at noon on Saturday. The sixth round

877
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: will be somewhere I would think around four or five

878
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: pm or so. But the NFL is doing it in

879
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: thirteen different towns, including Rochester, New York, which really has

880
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: become a, you know, part of the Bill's territory. Steve

881
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: over the last I mean the move to a training camp.

882
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: Obviously it was a big part of it. But it's

883
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: not as if I guess that one of the things

884
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: I take from this. It's not as if the Bills

885
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: moved their training camp to a city that did not

886
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: appreciate pro football, they certainly did. In fact, they were

887
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: in at the beginning. You know, they were at the

888
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: They were in it before Buffalo was in it. Yep. Yeah,

889
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: and uh and good for them. I mean, and it's

890
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,959
Speaker 1: gonna be a sixth round draft pick and the mayor

891
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: is going to make that announcement it's for the Buffalo Bills. Hey,

892
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: we got a couple of items that we're going to

893
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: discuss as this show moves along. I would just say

894
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: it just occurred to me. So we got this thing,

895
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: and what would surprise you must what if they trade

896
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: their sixth round don't say that? What what are they

897
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: gonna happen? Don't see that? Oh my gosh, where if

898
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: they trade that pick? They on they have the one

899
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: in the sixth too, Come on, don't say that that

900
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: would could happen? Wow? On the table today. Thanks for

901
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: ro guys. That's it's a possibility, right sure, I mean

902
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: a six round pick, oh a three in a sixth

903
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: round pick? And you know you got this. Four hundred

904
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: people stand over there in Rochester. What are we doing?

905
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: They traded us? Hey? Um a couple of things to

906
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: discuss today the Bills. Are they looking for quality instead

907
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: of quantity? They have those ten picks, but should they

908
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: package up a few and move up and get a

909
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: better player. Give us your thoughts on that and what

910
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: move tomorrow night, Thursday Night, Round one? What move would

911
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: shock you the most on Thursday Night that the Bills

912
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: might make? Give us a call. We're gonna talk about

913
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: it on the tweet sheet. We will. You can vote

914
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: on our Twitter ball and we can discuss on the

915
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: phone line. We got phone lines open right now eight

916
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Speaker 1: oh three oh five fifty and toll free one eight

917
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Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifty. That's coming up

918
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Speaker 1: next One Bills Live from One Bill's Drive on Buffalo

919
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: Bills Radiollow Bills Radio Network, Sports Stop date and the

920
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: updates from One Bill's Drive. We await the NFL Draft

921
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: and it's coming tomorrow night. Round one of the NFL

922
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: Draft kicks off tomorrow night, eight pm on Friday. Rounds

923
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: two and three start at seven o'clock on Saturday. The

924
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: rest of the draft starts at twelve noon, all of

925
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: it from Nashville. The Bills a total of ten selections

926
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: in the draft in this year, one in each of

927
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: the seven rounds. Extra picks in the fourth, fifth, and

928
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: seventh rounds, most elections they've had since two thousand and eight.

929
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: They also had ten that year, wound up using two

930
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,479
Speaker 1: of them on Leotis Mcalvin and Stevie Johnson. Tyler Murray

931
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: remains a heavy favorite at sports books in Las Vegas

932
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: to be the number one overall pick, but his odds

933
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: are going down. The odds of the Oklahoma quarterback to

934
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: be taken first overall by Arizona had been listed at

935
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: minus twelve hundred in previous weeks at Van Duelin, New Jersey,

936
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: down to minus four hundred as of this morning. Ohio

937
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: State defenseman Nick Bosa is next, followed by Alabama defensive

938
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: end Quinnon Williams. Pittsburgh Steelers are going to give quarterback

939
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger a new two year contract extension to go

940
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: along with a one year he had left on his deal,

941
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: tying him to Pittsburgh through the twenty twenty one season.

942
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 1: The extension all but guarantees that Roethlisberger ends his career

943
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: with the same franchise that drafted him in the first

944
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: round in two thousand and four. Marshawn Lynch not planning

945
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: to play football again. According to ESPN, the NFL Draft

946
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: kicks off tomorrow night. The Raiders may have to address

947
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: running back. Because of that. Minus Lynch, the Raiders backfield

948
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: now left with Isaiah Crow, al Jalen Richard, the Andre Watchington,

949
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: and Chris Warren. Mars Shawn Lynch turned thirty three years

950
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: old earlier this week. He said he's gonna move on

951
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: to the next phase of his lighte Stanley Cup playoffs

952
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: coming up tonight, Game seven in the East. It's Carolina

953
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: at Washington. Series Tide three wins a piece last night

954
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: a big win out West. In Game seven, the San

955
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: Jose Sharks won it in overtime five to four, taking

956
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: advantage of a call that the Las Vegas Golden Knights

957
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: believe was excessive. San Jose got four power play goals

958
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: on an extended power play in the game, and the

959
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: Bisons in action tonight first pitch at ten thirty. They

960
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: played this after their playing this afternoon, I should say,

961
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: and they lead at five four in the top of

962
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: the eighth, Lant Guerrera with a goal ahead and home

963
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:37,959
Speaker 1: run in the seventh inning for the Herd. They finish

964
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: up the series at Syracuse tomorrow. And that's the update

965
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: from One Bill's Drive. John Murphy Steep Tasker, you got

966
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: something on your mind. I'm shopping for a Buffalo Bison's

967
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: jersey online. Now. The old time was I'm gonna get

968
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: one of those. I'm except that I don't know if

969
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: I can get my own number on it though. Bisons baseball,

970
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: no football, nineteen forty six, authentic football jersey. Oh, I'm

971
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: gonna don't know how many jerseys you not? Not your own,

972
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: not my own? No, I mean, you know, not zero

973
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: that hurt mine. So he got Buffalo Bills jerseys. I've

974
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: got a Bills. I got a bunch of those. Uh.

975
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: I've got a Sabers jersey that they gave me when

976
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: I retired, a Bison's jersey that they gave me when

977
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: I retire. What number is your savers? They're all eighty nine? Okay?

978
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: And then I've got yeah, in fact, here's what I

979
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: was taking something. Yeah, right, I was thinking what would

980
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: be my jersey that I wore to the Sabers game? Right,

981
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: Because if you're gonna get a I'm not really a

982
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: jersey guy for obvious reasons, right, but it would be

983
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: it would be a mcgilney jersey, but I would get

984
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: the the Salute to Service camouflage jersey eighty nine mcgills.

985
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: So everything would be eclectic about it. It would not

986
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: none of it would be real and usable because mcgilney

987
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: was wasn't here when they started doing the stuff, but

988
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: he wore number eighty nine. And yeah, it would be

989
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: that would be the one. Where are your Sabers jersey?

990
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: They're underglass? I got him. I got him hanging on

991
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: a thing, okay, in your little Hall of Fame, And yes,

992
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: don't you have one? Right? You know what? I was

993
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: just thinking about that, I've got one. I got nine

994
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 1: jerseys hanging in my house. And unlike Jim Kelly, who's

995
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: got really good players hanging like he's got Mike Ditka,

996
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: I mean he's got like Mike Single, Terry, he's got

997
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: all these guys like you know Gaston. Oh, he's got

998
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach. He's got some jerseys. Yeah, I've

999
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: got like they're all my jersey's like from high school,

1000
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: junior college, Northwestern, the Oilers, a Pro Bowl jersey, a

1001
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 1: Bill's Home and away jersey. Got my Northwestern uh rugby

1002
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: sweater underlass. Yeah, oh cool. Yeah, I'm taking them down though,

1003
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: why I guess now now I'm just an old guy,

1004
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, I'm kind of I'm done with that. I

1005
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: gotta I got. I'm gonna start putting family pictures up.

1006
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: That's good. I got grandkids. Now, what am I gonna

1007
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be that guy. I'm more important to

1008
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: my grandkids. You're gonna sell them or get them away

1009
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: or anything. Who's I'm not gonna give him a what

1010
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: how Manny? It depends on who wants them. I mean,

1011
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not in it to make money.

1012
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got the I've got the Pro Bowl

1013
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: MVP Jersey right, um a Northwestern Jersey. I got my

1014
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: Oiler's jersey, Houston Oiler Jersey. I just got that recently.

1015
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: You get My wife got it to me for Christmas

1016
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: about four or five years ago, and she had to

1017
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: call Gordon Batty, who was the equipment manager for the

1018
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 1: Oilers at that time. Now he's the head equipment manager

1019
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: for the Green Bay Packers and has been for a

1020
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: couple of decades. Cool, he was there for far of

1021
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: and all those guys and he's still there. I saw

1022
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: him when I was there there this season, so my

1023
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: wife called him and he knew people got it. Yeah,

1024
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: it was great. So I've got that. You gotta take

1025
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: some pictures. Bring him in some time. I'm not gonna

1026
00:50:55,320 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: subject yall my crug. Are you cool to? How are

1027
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: you vote? From pop? We'll have a beer and I'll

1028
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: take you on the thirty second tour or my stuff

1029
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: a pop maybe yeah for soda. We're a day away

1030
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: from the draft and we're talking about the draft. What

1031
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: a shock, right? Joe Piscotti is going to join us

1032
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: at two o'clock, sports director at www TV Channel seven

1033
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. He's got a mock draft. His final mock

1034
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: draft comes out tomorrow. We'll go over him with him

1035
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: some of his ideas on the Bills and the draft.

1036
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: We want to know you want to get your thoughts

1037
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: on this. Well, two things. Bills have those ten picks

1038
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: they won't save hand in eleven years in the draft.

1039
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: Should they use them all? Should they look to consolidate,

1040
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: maybe move up a little bit, get a gopher quality

1041
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: as opposed to quantity. What do you think of that?

1042
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: Give us a call eto three oh five fifty or

1043
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two five

1044
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 1: fifty Part two, What Bills move would shock you the most?

1045
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: Tomorrow night? Give us a call and let us know.

1046
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: You can vote on that on our Twitter poll. On

1047
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: the Twitter poll right now, with more than sixteen hundred

1048
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: votes in so far, thirty six percent of you say

1049
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: the move that would shock you the most for the

1050
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: Bills would be a trade up. Okay, fraight up in

1051
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: the first round. They've only got eight spots to go.

1052
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: I can see why that would be at the top

1053
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: of that list. Yeah, there's got to be somebody there.

1054
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: You think the Bills would you know, cove it. There's

1055
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: somebody there. They think there's a difference maker that they need.

1056
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if that guy exists, like we said,

1057
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: If he does, they certainly have hit it well right.

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00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: And also, I mean, how much would it take to

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00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: get up there and to get him? And it would

1060
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: be a shock, no question about it. And I agree

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00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: with our with the listener. That would be the one

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00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: that would surprise me. I think trading picks for a

1063
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: real player, like say, like you and I were talking

1064
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: about nowadays, you know the players that you've got these

1065
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: teams are done with him. You're not gonna, you know,

1066
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: not gonna trade for him, but you know you're getting

1067
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: what do we get Lashawn McCoy for it was Kiko Alonso.

1068
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: I mean, trades like that happen, or you get a

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00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: player for a fifth round pick who was actually a

1070
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: truly great player at one point in his career. You

1071
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: get an older guy or whatever, or a player that

1072
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: you don't know about. If you remember back in the day,

1073
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: you know, Wes Welker was a throw in on a

1074
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins New England Patriots trade, Wasn't he Isn't that

1075
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: I remember? Yeah? I believe it was kind of a

1076
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: salary dump too at that point in Miami. So all

1077
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: of that goes into the mix. You can you can

1078
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: get good players off for draft picks, but I think

1079
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: that would be surprised for me as well, because well,

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00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: because I have nobody really knows who the Bills. Look,

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00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: we know no one. We don't know other rosters on

1082
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: other teams. You know, like we didn't know who EJ.

1083
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: Gaines was two years ago when the Bills gradman, all

1084
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the guys, wow, he can play. You

1085
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: know that kind of thing. So that would surprise me

1086
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: only because of my level of ignorance about other rosters.

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00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: You know, right, what move would shock you the most?

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00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: If the Bills made it tomorrow night, eight pm, the

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00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: draft starts, as we said, thirty five percent say a

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00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: trade up, twenty seven percent say Steve just said a

1091
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 1: trade to trade some picks for a current player, twenty

1092
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: five percent say draft to cornerback, thirteen percent say something else.

1093
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: Was seventeen hundred votes in. Here's a response on our

1094
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: tweet sheet that I find very interesting and what accurate.

1095
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: RN Bills fan tweets this in when we asked what

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00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: Bills move would shock you the most of our night,

1097
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: ARN Bills fan says nothing being in. McDermot have proven

1098
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: they will do whatever it takes to get the right players,

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00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: and nothing they do would shock me. I can see

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00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 1: them moving up, moving down, trading picks or trading players.

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00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: I trust them in the process they will do the

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00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: right thing for this team. Well, there's a lot of

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00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: truth to that. There's a little chamber of commerce in

1104
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: that as well. Yeah, guys, these guys, look, we've been

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00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: shocked on this show. You've been on the show for

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00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: a year. We've been shocked at least a half dozen

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00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: times by some of the moves they made, some of

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00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: them right in the middle of our show, right right,

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00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: and shocked most of the time. Five minutes after we

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00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 1: go up there. Number two and another one from Jordan's

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00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: damn great question today, guys, I'll go with the third option.

1112
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: Knowing how much Bean values draft picks and developing our

1113
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: own prospects, I'd be shocked to see him trade picks

1114
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,479
Speaker 1: for a player that ever, that is already in the league.

1115
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: And that's that's true as well. I think that's the

1116
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 1: surprising one for me a lot. And like I said,

1117
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't know that they like a guy on

1118
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: another team, you know what I'm saying. Certainly there's other

1119
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: players and other teams that Bills would love to have

1120
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: and every other team would love to have as well.

1121
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: So those guys are out there, but it's those it's

1122
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: those players that you get in from skill position, like

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00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, like it was a great example, we get

1124
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: Robert Robert Wood, a guy you don't really know about,

1125
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: but actually it was a great player. We got him

1126
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: in the draft and that kind of thing. He goes

1127
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: away and you bring in uh, you know, a different,

1128
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, a player for him. Those players and other

1129
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: rosters the great unknown for most fans, and I think

1130
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: I fall into that as well. Like I just said, so,

1131
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: I think that is a really surprising trading picks for

1132
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: a player that is already in the league. Yeah, that

1133
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,959
Speaker 1: would It's like, yeah, that would get me, that would

1134
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: get I think that might be even that might be

1135
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: the answer, but I don't know. Chip Mayl tweets this

1136
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: in when we asked which Bills move would shock you

1137
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 1: the most, Chip Mail says cornerback is always in play

1138
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: with this leadership group. I think that's smart, by the way,

1139
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: and he says trading the first rounder for a player

1140
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: would be the most shocking and highly unlikely. I agree

1141
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: with that. I think he's right right. And here's the thing.

1142
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: I mean, the analytics guys will say, you know, does

1143
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: analytics one of the people who just tweeted, would analytics

1144
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: do they show that give cornerbacks credit for the fact

1145
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: that they're getting interception because a guy created pressure. Are

1146
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 1: they getting credit for a bad throw that was created

1147
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 1: by the pressure of a defensive lineman and it was

1148
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: a great play for the cornerback. Yeah, all that goes

1149
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: into it. Cornerbacks, analytically speaking, are more important than edge

1150
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: rushers for a defense because a quarterback who evades pressure,

1151
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: which is what they're all paid to do, and can

1152
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: still throw the football. A corner who's still guarding the

1153
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: other end and makes the play or scares a quarterback

1154
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: off that throw and then it ends up in a sack,

1155
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: are more valuable and it's more prevalent. Good defenses tend

1156
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: to have corners, good corners, more often than they have

1157
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: outstanding edge rushers. That's just the way it is. So

1158
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: corners in today's day and age, in the day of

1159
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: analytics that says that corners are more important than edge rushers.

1160
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: So that's why I think it would be less surprising

1161
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: for me if they did take a corner, then it

1162
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: would be trading up to take an edge rusher. You've

1163
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: you've you've jumped on that a last week or so.

1164
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: I had really not a thought about it. Yeah, I

1165
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: don't know if I agree with it. To be honest

1166
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: with you, that's where analytics go kind of counterintuitive, you know,

1167
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: because we always see these quarterbacks, you know, under duress

1168
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: making these bad throws. Listen. The reason you see that's

1169
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: because it's a highlight. The corners are out there covering

1170
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: every throw. You know, they're out there all the time

1171
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: with the cornerback standing in a clean pocket or whatever.

1172
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: The corner he's not throwing it because he's got to

1173
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: wait for the guy to get open because he's covered.

1174
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: So the corners are out there, and you go back

1175
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: even in back in the day, and it really is

1176
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: a good question. I remember John Madden saying, listen, he

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00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: got along with Al Davis because of one thing. Al

1178
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: Davis thought cornerbacks were the most important position on the

1179
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: field other than QB. He said, the corners have to

1180
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: be great, and John Madden thought offensive line was more

1181
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: important as the next thing on the line. But each

1182
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: of them thought the other was second most important. John

1183
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: Madden said corners are the most important thing other than

1184
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: offensive line, and Al Davis said offensive line is more

1185
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: important just after the cornerbacks. So that's why they got

1186
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: along so well. But the fact that both of them

1187
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: thought so highly of cornerbacks, not edge rushers, not pass rushers,

1188
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: not run stuffers, but corners, that tells me a lot

1189
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: about how important people who study it and know it

1190
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: are and how important those positions are all right, let's

1191
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: get some phone calls. What Bill's move would shock you

1192
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: the most? Tomorrow night, round one of the draft, we'll

1193
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: go to Tom and Buffalo. Hello, Tom, welcome to the show,

1194
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: and you're on the air of this afternoon guys. Hi,

1195
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: Hey Steve, I got mcgilmie's Sabers card and he's got

1196
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: a hiking picture on the front, but in the back

1197
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: he's playing golf. If your interest said, let me know

1198
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: what in the jersey or in the gulf, Well, no,

1199
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: on the front of him card, he's in the jersey,

1200
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: but on the back of the curties on the golf course. Wow,

1201
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: that's an interesting Yeah, that's I laughed at when I

1202
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: got it. That's pretty funny. Yeah, yeah it is. Hey, anyway,

1203
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: I think your pole is kind of spot on today.

1204
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: Well mean the most if they in the first round,

1205
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,959
Speaker 1: if they move up, I'm very happy with the number

1206
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: nine pick, and I think they're gonna stay there because

1207
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: this might be the last time we get a top

1208
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: ten pick for a while hopefully. Yeah. That's good. That's hey.

1209
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: I hope you're right. Tom. Well, it's gonna shot me

1210
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: if they move back, and I don't think they're gonna

1211
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: trade for another player because we got ten picks. Yeah,

1212
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you Tom. Here's the thing about trading back.

1213
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: I think a lot of teams are in the mood

1214
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: to trade back in this draft because there's so many

1215
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: quality players at a at a specific number of positions.

1216
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: They all feel like they can get a good one later.

1217
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: The problem is, there's not going to be that many

1218
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: teams who are interested in trading up, so you're not

1219
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: gonna be able to find anybody to take you up on.

1220
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: And that's going to be the issue with trading back.

1221
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: It's not that it's a bad idea, it's that it's

1222
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: such a good idea. It's too many teams are wanting

1223
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: to do it, and it's gonna be the fact that

1224
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: you know nobody's gonna you're not gonna have a partner.

1225
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: So trading up, yeah, I think it's a distinct possibility.

1226
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: It's going to be easier to do because you're gonna

1227
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: have to give up so much to get there. But

1228
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: the problem is there's only and I don't know if

1229
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: there's any player who is worth the capitol in draft

1230
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: picks to get up to the top five or top

1231
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: four to get him. No, I agree, and that's why

1232
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: in the later rounds I could see them moving up

1233
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: to get back into the third, fourth, fifth round. Yeah,

1234
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it in the first round. Yeah, I

1235
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: get you. And that's a good and that's a good

1236
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: that's a good observation there as well. I mean the

1237
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: the Yeah, they might move up from the fifth to

1238
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: the third. That's that's different than moving up from number

1239
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: nine to number three or from you know, having a

1240
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: one two, three round pick and moving up into the

1241
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: top five of the draft and using those three picks

1242
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: to do that. That's a surprise. But moving from the

1243
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: sixth round of the third round or the fourth round

1244
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: of the third round, that's a that's a possibility as well.

1245
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: That wouldn't surprise me. Tom. Thanks for your call. Let's

1246
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: take a call from Brady in Vermont. As we asked

1247
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: the question what Bills move might shock you the most

1248
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: round night, Brady, what do you got? Yeah, Hey, John, Hey, Hi,

1249
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm thinking a little a little scenario. I don't want

1250
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: to get your take on it. So I'm looking really

1251
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: excited for defensive fund maybe offensive linemen, maybe t J. Hawkinson,

1252
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: like a lot of the marks have. And then I

1253
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: started thinking what would kind of be an off the

1254
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: wall move? And I think it wasn't they drafted somebody

1255
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: like Devin White or Devin Bullship threw on the clock

1256
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: kick today Tremaine Edmund over the stand and then and

1257
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: I don't know this, could they could we move somebody

1258
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: like uh, Lorenzo Alexander and make him just a true

1259
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: defensive end in a four three? Is that is a

1260
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: a move that can happen from outside the defensive end.

1261
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: It's a good question, Brady, and it's something that came

1262
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: up on the show a couple of weeks ago. A

1263
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: couple of people kind of spelled that out that was

1264
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: a move they would make. And look every mock draft

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Speaker 1: that I've seen lately, it has Devin White, LSU linebacker

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Speaker 1: going in the first before the Bills pick at number nine.

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Speaker 1: So he belongs there somewhere in there. If he's there

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Speaker 1: at number nine, maybe that's a consideration. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: what do you moving to Lorenzo? I don't know, Steve.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want to fool around too much

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Speaker 1: with Lorenzo Alexander. He is an important critical part of

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Speaker 1: this team, both for his play and his leadership well

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo will do it. If they ask him to do it,

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Speaker 1: he'll make He'll give it his best effort, no question.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how successful it'll be, but but yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about Devin White, who is on a lot

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Speaker 1: of the of the draft big boards where they rank

1278
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: the regardless of their position. They put him in order.

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Speaker 1: Devin Bush is a top five pick. That's how Devin White.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Devin White is a top five pick. That's

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Speaker 1: how good he is. But it's one of those positions

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01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: where the Bills just drafted Tremaine Edmonds last year. I

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01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: think one issue people have with Tremaine is the way

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01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: he looks inside. They think he's a long, lanky middle

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Speaker 1: linebacker and they're used to seeing guys that are stocky,

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01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: short guys down in the middle. I don't think that's

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01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: the prototypical middle linebacker going forward. I think they're gonna

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01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: look more like Tremaine than they are looking like like

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Speaker 1: ray Lewis. You know, I think they're gonna look more

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01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: like Tremaine Edmonds because of the space they can gather.

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01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: And I know that people say, well, sometimes he gets

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Speaker 1: lost kind of coming through traffic to make plays and stuff.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna get that he's out there because he's fast,

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Speaker 1: he's rangy and can run, and he's huge. He fits

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Speaker 1: what they want to do at middle linebacker. Otherwise he

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01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't have taken him. Plus, I think there's no way

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Speaker 1: they could have kept any plan of moving him a

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Speaker 1: secret even into last year's football. See they would have.

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Speaker 1: We would have started hearing rumbles about that eight in

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01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: last year's regular season for the Bills, let alone this offseason.

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01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: We've heard it already, and there's nothing like that coming

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01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: out of there. I think Tremaine Edmonds is you can

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01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: etch him in stone in the middle of the Bill's defense.

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01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: I get the thought of moving him outside, making him

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01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: more athlete, give him more space to run, letting him

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01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: rush the passer once in a while, But I don't

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01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: think it's going to happen. I don't think that's part

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Speaker 1: of their plans. Call from Charlie and Buffalo. Go ahead, Charlie,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. You're on the air with list.

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01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: I used him today. Guys, good. Do you see any

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01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: surprises with Buffalo getting rid of a shady McCoy, maybe

1312
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: trading him for a player or for a draft pick.

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01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: Let him go to a strong team. He's got a

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01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: chance of winning the ring. I think he's got two

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01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: years left in his legs. Guys, that's all I got

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01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: to say. And you have a good thanks. Yeah, maybe

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01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: he's one. He's the one guy that would have value

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01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: for the for a team who's looking at because he

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01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: does have something left in the tank. Yeah, that's the question. Round.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was a fourth round. I think at best,

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01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get him. You're a fourth rounder

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01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: for maybe one maybe a two year stint with with Shady.

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01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: I think he's got value. I think he's still a

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01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: really good running back. I think he's still going to

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01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: be the guy that they hand the ball to most

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01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: in this season coming up. I think the Bills are

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01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: counting on him. I think they'd listen to people that

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01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: they wanted to talk to him, and if if under

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01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: that scenario, I think even Shady could get behind what

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01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: sending him to. You know, you pick your team, the

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01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. You know you're gonna send him to

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01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: the Chiefs or somebody like that, or the Rams, although

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01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: they've got Todd Gurley, a team that has designs on

1334
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: being going deep in the playoffs, I could see that maybe,

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01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: but you're not going to get a second rounder or

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01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: a third rounder for Lashawn McCoy. And I don't think

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01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: the team is unhappy with him at all. No, I

1338
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: think they like him. I think they're depending on him,

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01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: but that he's a guy that and the reason he

1340
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: comes up in trade talks like this. Murphy, you know what,

1341
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: as well as I do, you look down the roster,

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01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: he's the only guy that another team might like that

1343
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: who's not a first round draft pick or a guy

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01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: that the Bills are like Tredavious White, Tremaine Johnson, Josh Allen.

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01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: You know, he's one of the few guys or you know,

1346
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: even Dion Dawkins. You know they're not going to let

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01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: those guys go. They're building around him. I get the

1348
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: argument why you would consider that, and you should consider it,

1349
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: but you know what, I'm really eager to see the

1350
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: final chapters probably more than one season in Lashawn McCoy's career.

1351
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,439
Speaker 1: Last year was a disappointment and a really rough offensive line.

1352
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: I'm really eager to see what he can do behind

1353
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: an improved offensive line with a team that wants a

1354
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: round the football, with a team that needs what he

1355
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 1: can provide them. I mean, look, if you trade Lashun McCoy,

1356
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna be you got yelled in and Frank Gore

1357
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: and you're when you're looking around saying who else can

1358
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: we get? Right? You would? You would have to. So,

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01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I hope he stays. I think he will.

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01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's likely, but yeah, anything can happen,

1361
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: and if they get the right offer, that makes it

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Speaker 1: even more likely. One more call on this segment, we'll

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Speaker 1: go to John in Auburn, New York. Good afternoon, John,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Thank you all you guys doing

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01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: today very well. I think the most surprising team would

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01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: be to draft a cornerback in this this year's draft,

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01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: A corner Why is that you? Why? Just because of

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01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: the offseason addition of EJ. Gaines and you have Tredavious

1369
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: White and Levy Wallace. Um if Kevin Johnson as well

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01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: Taron Johnson, I think pretty solid at that and I

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01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: think that that would shock me. I mean, Bean has

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01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: been pretty um calculated but aggressive in his moves, So

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01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: to trade up, I think he would. Uh, I think

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01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: that's on the table. Who is your answer for the

1375
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: corner opposite Tardavious White. If you line up and play tomorrow,

1376
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: who is it. I think DJ Gaines thrived. I mean

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01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: when he was here two years ago. I think he'll

1378
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: jump right back in. He's not going to miss a beat. Okay,

1379
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: that's yeah. And you got Levy Wallace as well, You've

1380
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: got Taron Johnson as well. Yeah. I mean they've got

1381
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: some depth, there's no question about it. So they and

1382
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: there's no reason to think that they're sitting there wringing

1383
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: their hands thing and they don't have an answer at

1384
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: the opposite corner of the bills, because I think they

1385
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: do across from turdevious. So yeah, I would be a

1386
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 1: little surprising. And I gotta tell you, I would have

1387
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: thought no way up until um I started getting into

1388
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: this analytic stuff about which really important for your defense. Now,

1389
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: I think if there was one guy in this draft,

1390
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: if there there's a couple of guys in this draft,

1391
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: I might trade up to grab I don't know if

1392
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: I drade into the top five, but I might trade

1393
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: from nine to seven if it was cheap enough. If

1394
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: I could get a guy like Josh Allen, the edge

1395
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 1: rusher out of Kentucky or quinnin Williams, the defensive tackle

1396
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 1: out of Alabama. And Nick Bosa is not gonna last.

1397
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be if he dropped to number five

1398
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: or six or seven. Yeah, I might take a shot

1399
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: at Nick Bosa as well. But those are the Those

1400
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 1: are the three guys who I'd jump up to get

1401
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: all these other guys like Ed Oliver. You know, I

1402
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't Montes sweat, I wouldn't, you know. I think you

1403
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: can get those guys at nine. All right, break, we're

1404
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: coming back with more. Come on back, Steve Tasker with

1405
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: John Murphy. It is One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive,

1406
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: and this is Buffalo Bills Radio. Halfway through the shows,

1407
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: it's half time here in Orchard Park. Yeah, ish half time.

1408
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 1: That's only the half of it. That's my Ben Miller.

1409
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: I recognized it. That's only the half of it. It

1410
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 1: was good enough back to Pash looking throwing. It was

1411
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 1: good enough for me to recognize it. So you gotta

1412
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 1: go and welcome back to the show. I'm John Murphy.

1413
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: This is Steve Tasker, of course you know him. We're

1414
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: talking about tomorrow night's draft. We're on the air tomorrow night.

1415
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 1: We're on the here tomorrow during the day too. We're

1416
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: on there Friday all day. Here's the deal tomorrow noon

1417
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: to three, like a regular show Tomorrow night, eight pm

1418
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: radio only on our flagship in Buffalo, gr Sports Radio

1419
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: five fifty. We'll have the picks as they come off

1420
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: the board. We'll have the Roger Goodell's announcement in the

1421
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 1: first round, and of course when the Bills pick, we'll

1422
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: have a reaction. Over the last couple of years, Hee,

1423
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: we've had some luck. A couple of years ago. I'm

1424
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: trying to think who it was. Remember when they trade

1425
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: it up for Sammy. Yeah, that was huge. In fact,

1426
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: that might be the year we had Dabo Sweeney on

1427
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: like within twenty minutes after that trade. That's the kind

1428
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: of stuff shoe on. Yeah, and we also got last

1429
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: year we got the Wyoming coach for Josh Allenbion. We did,

1430
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: and we we had another former NFL quarterback he's now coaching,

1431
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: who coached against Josh and he was at Colorado Golden's

1432
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: Coat Colorado State and they played Wyoming and he was like, yeah,

1433
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: Josh was the best player on the team. He talked

1434
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: about his athleticism and hey, the guy just willed us

1435
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: a defeat. We were beating him up as a driving around.

1436
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: He had all these stories. He said, I've seen every

1437
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 1: game he's played for two years. Yeah, he's he loved him.

1438
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: So so that's what we're looking at Tomorrow night, eight

1439
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: pm till and whatever. We don't know when we'll go

1440
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 1: off the year. We have hopes and aspirations, but we

1441
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: don't have a sign off time for the moment night.

1442
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: Right back here Friday, ten am. There is no instigators Friday.

1443
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: You cannot get your hockey fix from us. But we'll

1444
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: have plenty of reaction to the first round pick of

1445
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: the Bills on Friday morning. We around the air from

1446
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: ten am to three pm, so we'll get you caught

1447
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: up on Day one of the draft, the Bills issues,

1448
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: the rest of the NFL, and then we'll turn the

1449
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: page and look a little bit at Day two, including

1450
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: rounds two and three. Friday night. This is I mean,

1451
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: I do in this Like last year. We were also

1452
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: involved in this kind of the same way we are

1453
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: this year. And yes, last year it was all about

1454
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks and who was going to get picked, and

1455
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: there were a ton of teams at the top of

1456
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 1: the draft that needed one of those guys, and the

1457
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: Bills made a bold move in the last hour to

1458
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,600
Speaker 1: jump up and get the guy uh as did some

1459
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: other teams in the weeks leading up. But this year

1460
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: it's way different, but still very interesting because of the

1461
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 1: fact that the Bills made huge strides on defense. I

1462
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: think they and I don't. I never got the credit

1463
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: I deserved for telling you of the Bills we're gonna

1464
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: be a top ten defense and they ended up the

1465
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: top five. I never got the credit I deserved. It's

1466
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: gonna be somewhere around the fact that one of the

1467
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 1: four guys you picked in the four guys I was

1468
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: gonna be a little along the lines of a T

1469
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: shirt or something. Did I ever get credit for correctly

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Speaker 1: leaning towards Josh Allen? Correctly leaning? Well, I pretty much

1471
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 1: pointed to everybody on this show in that direction last year.

1472
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: Do you recall people of that No, not that throws

1473
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: that escaped me? Okay, what was I talking about? How

1474
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: much credit you deserve? No? Something else about about But

1475
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: this is really interesting for so many different reasons because

1476
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: the Bills have done had some great strides. Their defense

1477
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: is a solid defense. It looks to be solid again.

1478
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: They're going to try and upgrade it at certain spots.

1479
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 1: No question. They brought EJ. Gaines back into the fold.

1480
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 1: They got some and then on offense, they got all

1481
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: the free agent offensive lineman, a ton of free agent

1482
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Of the two real key wide receivers that

1483
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: they got, John Brown and Cole Beasley, Uh, Frank Gore.

1484
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,759
Speaker 1: So they've really made some strides. And now they've gotten

1485
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: to the point where, yeah, they can pick just about

1486
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: anything they want in this draft and not really worry

1487
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: about justifying it too much, because you know, they've got

1488
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: a lot of the holes, the glaring holes in their

1489
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: roster filled. So it really opens up this draft for

1490
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: so many possibilities, trading down, trading up, moving players around,

1491
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: picking the certain different positions in a draft that is

1492
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: deep in the positions they need. It's all I don't

1493
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: know what to do. Well, it's gonna be fun. I

1494
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: know that it's fun picking a quarterback. It's great fun.

1495
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 1: Not to be in a position where you have to

1496
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: find a quarterback out of this group? Is this where great?

1497
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 1: Is this where you're supposed to be in a draft

1498
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: as a football is a healthy franch I mean, I'm

1499
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: trying I'm not trying to be. I'm not trying to

1500
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: be the chamber of commerce. Here is. This is where

1501
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 1: a healthy franchise is because they've got their roster so solid,

1502
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: and they've got they had draft cap, they've got draft

1503
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: cap space, they got thirty five million left after the

1504
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,679
Speaker 1: seventy seven million dollars they spent. They've got their holes filled.

1505
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: They're moving forward. They've got some key young pieces to

1506
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,560
Speaker 1: build around you. Hear my answer. This is where this

1507
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: is the first step to being where you're supposed to be.

1508
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: There are a six win team. You talk about this

1509
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 1: the right time. They happiest six win team in the NFL.

1510
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: But this is where you're supposed to be when you

1511
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: first start out. I'm being a respectable can competing NFL franchise. Right,

1512
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: Caps in good shape, plenty of draft, no crying needs it.

1513
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: You have to address in the draft tomorrow night. That's big.

1514
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 1: That's big. And it took him two years to get here. Yeah,

1515
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: it took him two years to get here. Suffering last year,

1516
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: those first two games last year, that was painful. So man,

1517
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: it was it was the depth of winter in Alaska. Man,

1518
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: you're above the Arctic circle. It never got what was it?

1519
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: It never got light after Houston. What were we talking

1520
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: about after the loss of Houston? This is the bottom,

1521
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: right or something that this is the pit. This is

1522
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: because Josh was hurt, hurt, even as good as he

1523
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: looked in the Minnesota game, okay, and then he was interesting,

1524
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: but then he was out and gonna be out, and

1525
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: it looked like we didn't know if it's gonna be

1526
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: Tommy John surgery, right, we thought he's gonna be all,

1527
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: he'll never be the same now. And then the guy

1528
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 1: we just when we got him, yeah, yeah, so yeah,

1529
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 1: it was oh man, those were stark dark days. But

1530
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: we're beyond that. It's different. It is different. It feels different.

1531
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: I think you can tell that from the people who

1532
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 1: respond to our show on Twitter and on the telephone lines.

1533
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 1: It feels different. There's no crying emergency and there and

1534
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: even aside from that, the roster seems okay. So and

1535
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: given the unknowns, you're always gonna say like, oh wow,

1536
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: we thought this was going to happen and it didn't. Whatever.

1537
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: But aside from even the crying emergencies, that aren't there anymore.

1538
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: Like financially, we have no draft picks we don't have

1539
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: a first round pick all of that stuff that you've

1540
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 1: seen over the years. This one. It's like, okay. We

1541
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: also got the financials in order. We also got some

1542
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: young pieces to build around. We got a roster that

1543
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: was in some spots really good. It's like okay, so

1544
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 1: we're just kind of rolling along here, right, This is like, okay,

1545
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 1: who we're gonna get to help us out? We just

1546
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 1: need contributors. We don't have to go. If we don't

1547
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: come out of here with a quarterback, we're done for

1548
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 1: a decade. Right. I just had a really good idea

1549
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 1: for a Twitter poll, not today, not tomorrow. Now write

1550
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: it down so you don't forget it. Well, because I

1551
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 1: forget it. We got a producer. I come out with

1552
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: them and this is like a Twitter pole for maybe

1553
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: a week, week and a half away after everything settles

1554
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: down from the draft. Are you ready for this? What's

1555
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 1: the boogeyman here? Who's under the bed? What do you

1556
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: worry about? What's gonna happen? Look? Yeah, right, you do?

1557
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 1: Don't you do that? I do that. Maybe it's just

1558
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 1: my nature, but I worry. What am I not thinking

1559
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: of here? That's gonna go wrong? And and listen, I know,

1560
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: Bills fans, I'm sure that we're not there yet. We

1561
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 1: got the draft tomorrow. It's all optimism. But in about

1562
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 1: a week and a half, two weeks, we just started

1563
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 1: thinking about so many jokes. What could go wrong here?

1564
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: What could go wrong here? Right? What do you mean jokes?

1565
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 1: It's oh my god. It's the kind of thing that

1566
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 1: keep me up at night. It is that what's gonna happen? Yeah,

1567
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: who's like, oh my gosh, who got arrested? You know? Right? Yeah,

1568
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: it's like what who tweeted? What? Yeah? You know, Oh no,

1569
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 1: really that's a couple of weeks away. Yeah, we'll get there.

1570
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: It's all optimism. That's always there though. And and you know,

1571
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: I said, it's said it does say something about the

1572
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 1: franchise being is about where that's the thing, you know,

1573
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: the thing that's drops out, you know, the coconut that

1574
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: drops out of the tree on your head is what

1575
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: you're worried about. Now, you're not worried about you know,

1576
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 1: you're not worried about drowning. Right, you're not worried about

1577
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 1: the leaky roof. You're worried about, you know, the act

1578
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: of God. What are you not thinking of right one

1579
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 1: of the things that you can't prepare for. Well, let's

1580
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: enjoy it tomorrow and the next couple. It is gonna

1581
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 1: be fun. And this is a much different place after

1582
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: years of being in a place where you think, Wow, man,

1583
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,679
Speaker 1: I wish we did this, you know, woh my gosh,

1584
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 1: this we're never you know, we don't have any money

1585
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: to spend anyway, you know, or draft you know, bob, Oh, yeah,

1586
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: we're not there anymore. No, we're not steps forward? Hey,

1587
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: Twitter poll? What Bills move would shock you the most?

1588
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 1: Thursday night on the Twitter poll, it's pretty close. Thirty

1589
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: six percent say it trade up by the Bills would

1590
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: shock then the most twenty seven percent say the Bills

1591
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: trading away picks to get a player would shock done

1592
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: the most. Twenty five percent say drafting a quarterback would

1593
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 1: shock then the most twelve percent have something else in mind.

1594
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. Eight three five fifty twelve three

1595
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 1: one eight eight five fifty two five fifty. Joe on

1596
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 1: the line from Lancaster. Hello Joe, go ahead and you're

1597
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 1: on the air, gentlemen, love the show. A long time

1598
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: listener than thank you, thanks, you know what you talked

1599
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 1: about it the other day, about dropping back with Oakland

1600
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 1: twenty fourth and twenty seven six for the ninth. I

1601
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: don't have my chart in front of me, but I

1602
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: think it would cost you a little bit more like

1603
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,640
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick or something. I would do that

1604
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 1: all day long, and I would try and conversely, I

1605
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 1: would try to get as many picks as I can

1606
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 1: in the late first to mid third. I would I

1607
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: would just the extra, the extra picks you have later

1608
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: in your draft. I would try to package those and

1609
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: move up too. There is so much talent at so

1610
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: many spots that we could create competition with. I mean,

1611
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 1: if you look at I mean who cops on the

1612
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: chart itself. If you're looking at Bosa Allen Williams, they

1613
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 1: pops maybe if they drop whatever. But if you get

1614
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 1: to the ninth pick, it's sort of tapers off and

1615
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 1: they sort of all mingle together. I mean, if you're

1616
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 1: sitting at twenty four and twenty seven, you're looking at

1617
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: Marquise Brown and Jerry Hillery, you know for picks compared

1618
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 1: to maybe picking up a Juan Taylor, and if you

1619
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: could move up in that second round, you got you know,

1620
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 1: McGarry there, you got you got a dolphin riser, afore

1621
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: year starter A j. Brown. If you could pick up

1622
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 1: two picks in the first and two picks in the

1623
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: seventh second round, I mean, you guys are sitting sweet. Yeah,

1624
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: it's a good thought, Joe. And we had a guest

1625
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: yesterday who kind of quantified that, and I actually I

1626
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: transcribed it today for a post that I'll put up

1627
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 1: on Buffalo Bills dot dot com tomorrow. Gary Grantline, who

1628
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: covers the league and the draft for Sports Illustrated dot com,

1629
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 1: here's what he said about this very issue. He said,

1630
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 1: there will probably be a steep drop off when you

1631
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: get to a round pick twelve or thirteen, so that's

1632
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: after the Bills nine, he says, and that happens most years.

1633
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: He said, I think it's more pronounced this year, and

1634
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 1: I think the guys you'll see taking in the twenties

1635
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 1: this year first round, in the twenties, there's just not

1636
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 1: a whole lot of separation from those guys that you'll

1637
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: see late in the first round and the guys you'll

1638
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: see late in Day two, the mid to late third

1639
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 1: round guys. His point, from twelve in the first round

1640
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 1: to late in the third round not a whole a

1641
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 1: lot of separation. It goes to exactly the point you

1642
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 1: just you just brought up there. Here's what would happen though,

1643
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: and then it's a good it's a good. You know,

1644
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 1: here's the value thing. And if you if the Bills

1645
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: traded with the Raiders and gave the Raiders number nine

1646
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: and the Bills got back twenty four and twenty seven,

1647
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: the Bills, by the value chart, would also have to

1648
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 1: give up a four and a six. So you're trading

1649
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: three players to get two three players in the first, fourth,

1650
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: and fifth six the first rounder, the fourth rounder, and

1651
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 1: the sixth rounder to get two players in the late

1652
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 1: first round. That's what it would take to get it done.

1653
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 1: But you'd still have your third round pick and your

1654
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: fifth round pick or two third round no, your third

1655
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: round pick in your fifth round picked as well, so

1656
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 1: you'd have you know, enough picks to go around. But

1657
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: it would take three of those picks, a fourth and

1658
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,799
Speaker 1: a sixth rounder plus the number nine pick to trade

1659
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 1: four Oakland's two first rounders. So that kind of goes

1660
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 1: to the point we were talking about earlier. More swings

1661
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: at the you want more swings, Yeah, you want more swings.

1662
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 1: At the at the pick, or do you want to

1663
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 1: pick a guy who's more of a of a you know,

1664
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: you want to swing at the pitch. It's more of

1665
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 1: a can't miss, you know. Tell me that again. It

1666
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 1: would take you give up your nine, give up nine,

1667
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 1: and you'd give up pick number one twenty No, I'm sorry,

1668
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 1: you'd give up pick number twenty one, twelve, and you'd

1669
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: also give up pick number one eighty one and the

1670
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: number nine. You'd given him nine, number one, twelve and

1671
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 1: number one eighty one, and you'd get back number twenty

1672
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 1: four and twenty seven. Are you sure about that? Yep? Okay,

1673
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,719
Speaker 1: because you yeah, the Buffalo pick is worth thirteen fifty

1674
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 1: and the twenty four and twenty seven are worth about

1675
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: fourteen twenty. So maybe it would only take a fourth rounder,

1676
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 1: you know, and keep your sixth round, move that far down.

1677
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: To move that far down and get two opens two

1678
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 1: At the end, you'd move up fifteen spots. You'd move

1679
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: back fifteen spots and give up the you know, virtually

1680
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: the twenty fourth and twenty seventh pick. Not much difference.

1681
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: What about Oakland? Do they need a quarterback? We'll talk

1682
01:21:58,160 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 1: about that when we come back. Join us, whyn't you.

1683
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 1: It's One Bill's Drive. It's One Bill's Live from One

1684
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 1: Bill's Drive, and this is Buffalo Bills Radio back. One

1685
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 1: Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive. The draft is tomorrow night.

1686
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm excited, Steve's excited. I think you're excited. I'm what

1687
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 1: I would like to use the word stoked, Steve stoked,

1688
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: because you know that, you know, it's like having that fire,

1689
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: passionate fire and getting that stoke. I am. I'm really

1690
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 1: excited about it. I'd be a bunch of people here

1691
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 1: in the field. Oh yeah, it's it's always a great event.

1692
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 1: And the Bills do a really nice job with they

1693
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 1: They throw it out, they feed people, there's there's stuff

1694
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: going on, you know, beers. I got extra tickets. Yeah,

1695
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 1: I mean you and I we do get him free,

1696
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 1: right because I took that for granted. This is the key.

1697
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, so we got our little IDs. So yeah,

1698
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 1: I got extra tickets, and uh, it's it's fun. It

1699
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 1: is a fun time because and you can understand why

1700
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,679
Speaker 1: because it's nothing but Bills fans and something really really

1701
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 1: importants going down. So it's it's a great atmosphere. And

1702
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: I've done this a couple times now on this show

1703
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 1: broadcast that night on WGR Live during the draft. It

1704
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 1: always makes me feel like I'm like Peter Jennings on

1705
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 1: Election night. You know what I mean. Stuff's coming in

1706
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: and you got to react right away. You don't have

1707
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 1: time to oh, oh they drafted him, let me think

1708
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,719
Speaker 1: about that, and no, you gotta have a take ready

1709
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 1: to go when the picks come in and how it

1710
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 1: impacts the Buffalo bills down the line. It's really as

1711
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: a broadcaster, it's fun because it's like doing a game,

1712
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: and it's a real life game going on right there,

1713
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: and you gotta be as ready as you can be

1714
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 1: to react when stuff happened. But we're only we're radio

1715
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 1: only right tomorrow night, Tomorrow night, not noon to three.

1716
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 1: We're on MSG and you can see us and watch

1717
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 1: it's like you always do. Tomorrow night at eight, we

1718
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: go on radio only. And but because we're usually simulcast,

1719
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: we're gonna have we got monitors in here everywhere so

1720
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 1: we can we're gonna watch what's going on, and when

1721
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:58,719
Speaker 1: Roger goes up for the number nine pick, we're gonna

1722
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: we're like, we'll tell take it right away and you're

1723
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 1: gonna hear it right here, right if we push the

1724
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 1: right buttons, and so it's it's fast moving. It's fast moving.

1725
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: I remember from last years like we were in the

1726
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: middle of saying something and Rogers at the podium, you know, right.

1727
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 1: So it's fun. It is fun, and it's it's you

1728
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 1: know what happens around here. Over the last several years,

1729
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: I've discovered on on big days like this game day,

1730
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 1: of course, but on draft days, people get dressed up.

1731
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: Should we wear ties on the air tomorrow night? You

1732
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 1: want to get dressed up? Radio only? Oh that's right.

1733
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: No one wanted to see that. Should we do it anyway?

1734
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: I may wear a wife beater or something, you know,

1735
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 1: like a boxer shorts and flip flops. I think we

1736
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,679
Speaker 1: should wear like maybe rent a tuxedo or something white

1737
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 1: T shirt in a tank top. It's a big my

1738
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: feet up. It's a big deal, and it is all

1739
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 1: the league. I was thinking about this too. It's we're

1740
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 1: excited here in Buffalo right about the draft. You can

1741
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 1: tell on this show and other shows and all the

1742
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: coverage and thirty one other NFL cities is pretty darn similar.

1743
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 1: Right now. Everybody's like yeah, this is it. This is

1744
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 1: where we turn the owner. This is where we get

1745
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 1: those picks. This you know what He used to inspire

1746
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 1: me about his excitement for the draft, and he's gone out.

1747
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 1: But the late great John Butler, you know, he would

1748
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 1: round this time of year, you know, John, former GM.

1749
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: He would right, you're looking at me like I'm exactly

1750
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: around the time of year. He would start saying stuff like, oh,

1751
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna get ten new guys with that little buffalo

1752
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 1: on the side of their helmet. I'm exciting. You just

1753
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: boil it down to like the basic terms, and he

1754
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 1: would be genuinely thrilled about the fact to add ten

1755
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: new names with the buffalo on the side of their hell.

1756
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: I've said this before at one I m seed the

1757
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 1: event live out out here, you know, before I was

1758
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 1: on the show with you, and last year we did

1759
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 1: our thing here and then you know, they picked Josh

1760
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: Allen all that. But I say this, listen, and it's

1761
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 1: really true. And I don't want to you know, make

1762
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,560
Speaker 1: you don't want to get all philosophical and serious. But

1763
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 1: it's different in this town I experienced as a player.

1764
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 1: You really feel like this region, the building here, the

1765
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:55,600
Speaker 1: people in the building and the fans, I mean they

1766
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 1: they you are welcomed into a family that is one

1767
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 1: of a mind in all of pro sports. Now there

1768
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 1: are other nice families out there. It's like we all know.

1769
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got neighbors and stuff, people that are

1770
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: go to school. Then they have nice families too, But

1771
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:14,640
Speaker 1: it's your family, and you know, you think about it.

1772
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Tremaine Edmonds, Matt Milano, all these get Tredavious White.

1773
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:21,600
Speaker 1: You know how much you love these guys and how

1774
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 1: much they're part of the vernacular and the conversations that

1775
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 1: you have with your families. And it's no under it's

1776
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: no understatement to say it is a big moment for

1777
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: this Big Bill's fan base. That's getting people because this

1778
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 1: fan base is different than other. It's unique. We we

1779
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 1: party for two days before the home games. You know,

1780
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: we show up big. We light the tables on fire

1781
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 1: and jump through them. We get made fun of because

1782
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 1: of our snow games. We get made fun of because

1783
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 1: of whatever we you know, we go. We go and

1784
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:00,680
Speaker 1: see our team on the road in nice places and

1785
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: when they play in the Beach and when they go

1786
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 1: play in South and the Dome when they go to

1787
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 1: Music City, you know, we show up. And when you

1788
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 1: go out across the country, and I've done it. I've

1789
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,679
Speaker 1: traveled all over the country, airport after airport after airport,

1790
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 1: NFL city after NFL city after in NFL city, you

1791
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 1: go someplace and you hear somebody do that tune. Hey,

1792
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 1: somebody always answers in that joint, no matter if you're

1793
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:30,759
Speaker 1: in Seattle, if you're in la if you're in San Diego,

1794
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 1: somebody sings those tune. Somebody somewhere answers it. It's special.

1795
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 1: And tomorrow night, some young college kids gonna find out

1796
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 1: what family he's in and he's gonna he's gonna be

1797
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 1: really happy about it. When he's my age. It never

1798
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 1: goes away. You don't think like and I'm telling you

1799
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 1: like Nate Clemens, guys like it from the years past.

1800
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 1: Cornellius been at Darryl Tallely, Fred Smerle's guys who have

1801
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 1: gone play with other teams, even Ryan Fitzpatrick. These guys,

1802
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 1: they know what it's like and it's pretty cool. Of course.

1803
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: Stevie Johnson thinking about seventh round draft pick. I mean

1804
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 1: this name after name after name, year after year after year,

1805
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: even the good years, the bad years, the bad stretches,

1806
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 1: it never leaves him. Of course. The ultimate example of

1807
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: that is Jim Kelly, first round picker, didn't even show

1808
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 1: up for three years. That's paying in Buffalo. Now. You

1809
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 1: can't get rid of him right here. He's an icon

1810
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,640
Speaker 1: and he's a resident, and he's not going anywhere. He's like,

1811
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 1: and I use this word a bunch today, but he's

1812
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: like the president of the Chamber of Commerce, right he's

1813
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: like the biggest proponent of this city, in this region

1814
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 1: that ever. I wonder about this too, here you and

1815
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 1: I was thinking about somebody today, um, when I was

1816
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 1: waiting in line for coffee, about these draft picks. You know,

1817
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,560
Speaker 1: the first rounder is now assembled in Nashville. It's a

1818
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 1: big day for them, you know, tomorrow thinking about where

1819
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 1: am I gonna go? Where you go? I wonder how

1820
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: many of them think, man, I really want to go

1821
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: to Buffalo. Maybe not many. But once they get here,

1822
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 1: and I think this is what you're saying, once they

1823
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 1: get here and and lock in here, play here and

1824
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 1: figure out what it's all about, they learn to love it.

1825
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 1: And it doesn't take a long time. No, it doesn't

1826
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: take long, but right now like today, thirty two guys

1827
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 1: are going to be first round draft picks tomorrow. Um,

1828
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 1: any of them, five of them? How many of them

1829
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 1: do you think are thinking? Man, I really hope I

1830
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 1: get selected by Buffalo. I really right? You would think

1831
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 1: not too many? Is that? Whether I guess who cares? Right?

1832
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 1: We know that if they're like the rest of the country,

1833
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 1: they're they're fans of the league and they want to

1834
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, they know all these you know these you

1835
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: know they all have starry eyes. Yeah, and they all

1836
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 1: want to go to the top five picks. You know,

1837
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 1: I think at this point, speaking from you know, three

1838
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 1: decades ago when it was my turn, more than three

1839
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 1: decades you're thinking. You're not thinking about the spot where

1840
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 1: you land. You're thinking about high high that spot is.

1841
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:56,719
Speaker 1: You know, you don't care if it's Oakland or Denver.

1842
01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 1: You know, you just want to go up high, right, Yeah, exactly,

1843
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 1: you want to go up there at that number for

1844
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:05,719
Speaker 1: everybody else. And when you get down to a certain spot,

1845
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,599
Speaker 1: particularly where I was picked way down low, Oh are

1846
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 1: you seventh seventh of his ninth round two twenty six,

1847
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:15,720
Speaker 1: you're just you just hope the phone rings. Yeah, you know,

1848
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 1: I don't. I could not possibly care less. I just

1849
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: want to be on one of those teams. You know.

1850
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,759
Speaker 1: That's the Saturday thing. Now, that's right, and tomorrow listen, Saturdays,

1851
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:26,759
Speaker 1: the day is the awesome day. Wow, it is Tomorrow

1852
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 1: will be awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, this today has been

1853
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. We've got one more awesome hour to go.

1854
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 1: Joe b Joe Pascalia, sports director at WKBW TV Channel seven,

1855
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 1: got a mock draft coming out tomorrow. He's got a

1856
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 1: week old mock draft. Will go through and get his take.

1857
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 1: He knows the Bills. He knows the draft. You'll be

1858
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 1: sitting right out here with us when we return. You

1859
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 1: can phone in comments and questions for Joe when we

1860
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 1: come back. One Bill's Live presented by Kalada Health from

1861
01:30:49,760 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 1: One Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bills Radio lill S

1862
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:07,680
Speaker 1: Radio Network. Sports Day Day comes from One Bill's Drive.

1863
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 1: The NFL Draft starts Tomorrow night, eight pm, rounds two

1864
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:14,639
Speaker 1: and three our Friday night seven o'clock Saturday twelve noon

1865
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 1: the rest of the draft. Thanks to trades and deals

1866
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: the Bills have made over the last few years, they

1867
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 1: have a total of ten selections in this draft. One

1868
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 1: in each of the seven rounds. Extra picks in the fourth, fifth,

1869
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 1: and seventh rounds the most selections the team has had

1870
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 1: since two thousand and eight. They had ten picks that year.

1871
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 1: Bills had twelve selections in the two thousand and one draft.

1872
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 1: NFL Draft Round one starts tomorrow at eight o'clock. The

1873
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 1: sports books in Las Vegas say Kyler Murray is still

1874
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 1: the favorite to be the number one overall pick in

1875
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 1: tomorrow night's draft, but his odds are dropping. Ohio State

1876
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 1: defensive end Nick Bosa is next, followed by Alabama defensive

1877
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 1: end Quinnon Williams. The odds on Murray being the first

1878
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 1: overall pickcap shifted wildly over the last few months as

1879
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 1: cookmakers try to keep up with the latest news and

1880
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 1: all the mock drafts. Ben Roethlisberger has a new contract extension.

1881
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 1: Steelers gave him a new two year extension to go

1882
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Speaker 1: along with the one year he had left on his

1883
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 1: current deal, so he's now tied to the Steelers through

1884
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one season. Roethlisberger turned thirty seven years

1885
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:08,720
Speaker 1: old on March second. He had one year left on

1886
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 1: his contract with Levian Bell, leaving in free agency and

1887
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown forcing the trade. Roethlisberger is desperately needed to

1888
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: help Pittsburgh get passed the drama and get back into

1889
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 1: the winner circle. Marshawn Lynch is not planning to play

1890
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 1: football again. According to ESPN, Lynch has announced that he

1891
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 1: is thirty three years old. He plans to move on

1892
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 1: with the rest of his life. His stint with the

1893
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:31,919
Speaker 1: Raiders with highs and lows, but he was always entertaining.

1894
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 1: Last year, tied four fifth in the AFC with three

1895
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: hundred thirty one rushing yards. Hockey playoffs Tonight another Game seven,

1896
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:41,679
Speaker 1: this one in the East, Game seven between Carolina and Washington.

1897
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 1: The Caps have the o I comb ice seven thirty

1898
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 1: face uff tonight in the Eastern Conference. Big Game seven

1899
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 1: last night by four overtime win by San Jose over

1900
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 1: Las Vegas and a controversial win thanks to a penalty

1901
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 1: that produced four powerfulay goals by the San Jose Sharks

1902
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 1: and the Bison's come up winners today in Syries Housday

1903
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 1: win at five to four, finish up the series in

1904
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 1: Syracuse tomorrow. That's the update from One Bill's Drive. John Murphy,

1905
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,560
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, joined by our friend, Our Buddy and the

1906
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:11,639
Speaker 1: draft Expert Extraordinary and all the Western New York Capital

1907
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 1: have Joe Joba Scallia, Draft Expert sports Director WKBWTV Channel

1908
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 1: seven in studio with us. Hello, Jo, welcome back. Oh

1909
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 1: my goodness, what a week it is. It's been great

1910
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 1: and you got work to do this week including Yeah,

1911
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 1: tomorrow night. Tell us about the pre draft spreshold that's

1912
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Speaker 1: on the Channel seven. Yeah, we're doing a we have

1913
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 1: one of the many telecasts on the NFL Draft on

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01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:35,799
Speaker 1: seven ABC starting at eight o'clock and leading up myself,

1915
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 1: Matt Ove, John Clary, the sports team. We're gonna be

1916
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:42,559
Speaker 1: live outside of the stadium and just going through all

1917
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 1: of the different variables that could happen with the Bills

1918
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 1: at ninth overall, some of the names that are out there,

1919
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 1: things of that nature. Matt mvay has a has a

1920
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,679
Speaker 1: feature with both Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds about their

1921
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: draft experience and how they went through it. Now looking

1922
01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 1: at it from the outside, looking in, Jenna Clary's gonna

1923
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:02,840
Speaker 1: be catching up with a bunch of the UB guys

1924
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 1: that are going to be looking to get drafted. So

1925
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be fun, and obviously it leads up

1926
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:11,680
Speaker 1: to the big, big event at eight o'clock. Because man,

1927
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 1: I can't believe it's tomorrow. I'm I'm a little forlorn

1928
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 1: that it's tomorrow. It's over. I'm very sad it's over.

1929
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 1: I know you're probably happy that it's probably gonna be done.

1930
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 1: The Draft. I'm excited. It's it's awesome thinking about all

1931
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: the possibilities. I mean, it's the reason why people watch

1932
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 1: reality TV. It's all about drama, all these different rumors

1933
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:31,599
Speaker 1: that are floating around. I love it. I love it too.

1934
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 1: I love the draft. And we were gonna get into

1935
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 1: your mock draft and your thoughts about the first round

1936
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 1: in a minute. But the only thing that bothers me

1937
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 1: about the draft is when it goes on and on

1938
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 1: the coverage we get to this past week, maybe two weeks,

1939
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:46,639
Speaker 1: and all the misinformation. Yeah, and quite frankly, the line

1940
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: that's out there. People just put out lies to deceive people,

1941
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 1: to enhance somebody's value, you know, lower somebody's value. Yeah,

1942
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 1: I mean cool. It's like sabotage too. I mean it's

1943
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 1: just out and out sabotage for some of these picks

1944
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 1: and whatever reason I mean intrinsically, this is this is

1945
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: a big game of poker, right, I mean, this is

1946
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 1: just one one little exercise from gms to try and

1947
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 1: deceive one another. And a lot of the times you'll

1948
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,599
Speaker 1: end up with some of the information that gets put

1949
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 1: out there, it ends up charring the some of the

1950
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 1: prospects out there, and it impacts their draft stock, So

1951
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 1: that part of it is not so great. But trying

1952
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 1: to sift through all the information, Yeah, that's my cup

1953
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 1: of tea. I'm big on than that. I love putting

1954
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:33,479
Speaker 1: together like logic puzzles, stuff like that, Like the scheduled day.

1955
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 1: I love the scheduled day because it's just, you know,

1956
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 1: trying to piece it all together. The draft is just

1957
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: that to a grand degree. Um, you have your final

1958
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 1: mock draft tomorrow. Yes, it'll be tomorrow afternoon. I still

1959
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 1: haven't settled. Literally, I I think about this stuff an

1960
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:52,719
Speaker 1: unhealthy amount. You can ask anybody that knows me outside

1961
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,640
Speaker 1: of the walls of one girl's try You're not married, right, No,

1962
01:35:55,880 --> 01:36:01,919
Speaker 1: but a wonderful girlfriend of four years and she supports

1963
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 1: my habits. I like, I can see why too, because

1964
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 1: it's fun because you go through all these these scenarios

1965
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 1: and these choices and these evaluations and the and the possibilities,

1966
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:15,920
Speaker 1: and it's conjecture. Most of the conjecture. I said this

1967
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:18,160
Speaker 1: in the early part of the show. The information that

1968
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 1: teams do not want out is what has how they

1969
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 1: value the players. They don't want anybody to know how

1970
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 1: much they think of each player because then it can

1971
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 1: be used against them. They can you know, for a

1972
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 1: seventh round pick, you dangle the seventh round pick out there,

1973
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 1: this team would jump at that. That team over there

1974
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 1: would not. You know, if you know where they value

1975
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 1: these players, you can get maximize it and use it

1976
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 1: to your advantage. That's the fun part and but the

1977
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 1: but the rewarding part is on Saturday night you have

1978
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:50,840
Speaker 1: all the answers and you can say, oh, I see

1979
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:52,519
Speaker 1: you know, and you learn from it and you say, oh,

1980
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 1: I get this, and here's what they were thinking and

1981
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 1: what were they doing here? And sometimes it takes some

1982
01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 1: thought to figure it out after the fact. Well, and

1983
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 1: also takes two to three years to figure out if

1984
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 1: anyone got it right. That's right. So I mean, but

1985
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:06,520
Speaker 1: that's why the draft is fun because it's such an

1986
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:10,600
Speaker 1: optimistic environment for fans. That's why they like it because inevitably,

1987
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 1: unless you draft some of the twitter no no names,

1988
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:16,840
Speaker 1: than fans will think they got better that day, and

1989
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,639
Speaker 1: which is why it's such a an addicting event, which

1990
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 1: is why it's so grandiose these days. Joe, it's got

1991
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 1: just with us, Joe be from Channel seven. We're talking

1992
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:26,880
Speaker 1: about the draft. Um, you can join us phone lines

1993
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Speaker 1: open eight o three five fifty and toll free one

1994
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:32,640
Speaker 1: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty. Got a

1995
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 1: mock draft coming out tomorrow, Joe on www dot com.

1996
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 1: Your last mock draft was last Friday, Monday. Yeah, well

1997
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:41,639
Speaker 1: this past Monday. Yeah yeah, when the heck change from

1998
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:43,599
Speaker 1: Monday to Thursday? Why did you have to have another one?

1999
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I mean through the weekend? So many

2000
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 1: different rumors are you so? How do you change it?

2001
01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 1: What are you thinking of when you well, it's just

2002
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:54,160
Speaker 1: it's just different variations of what could happen within the

2003
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 1: top five and how that how that leads down in

2004
01:37:56,600 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 1: Oakland is the complete wild card in this whole situation.

2005
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I could see him going at Oliver Um

2006
01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:07,400
Speaker 1: at fourth. Overall, I could see them taking Devon White,

2007
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 1: the linebacker from LSU. I don't know if Josh Allen

2008
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 1: is going to be their guy, the Kentucky ed rusher.

2009
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 1: But the one thing that's kind of sticking in my mind,

2010
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know why, I just can't get it

2011
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 1: out of it. They are operating a lot in the

2012
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:26,200
Speaker 1: same way that let's say Jacksonville did ahead of drafting

2013
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 1: Blake Bortles and Chicago did ahead of drafting Mitchell Trubisky

2014
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 1: when they just were not linked to these quarterbacks whatsoever.

2015
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 1: Everyone in pre draft thought defense, defense, defense, defense. But

2016
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:39,640
Speaker 1: you know, Oakland still in need of a quarterback. They

2017
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 1: could walk away from Derek Carr, who they have been

2018
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 1: kind of waffling on publicly. I you know, Drew Lock,

2019
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 1: I think that's crazy. It could be crazy. It could

2020
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:53,200
Speaker 1: be crazy, But but tell me it's not. It's not

2021
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:55,280
Speaker 1: the tell me it's the craziest thing you've ever heard

2022
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:58,040
Speaker 1: for a draft. No, it's just one of the long

2023
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:00,800
Speaker 1: line of stupidity, stupid things. You see, there's no way

2024
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 1: that the Oakland Raiders can come out of this draft

2025
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,679
Speaker 1: and at four overall take a quarterback that's gonna play

2026
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 1: better than Derek Carr is gonna play, and that could

2027
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 1: set them back at a minimum five years. But that's

2028
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:14,560
Speaker 1: your evaluation of Derek Carr. They might not feel a

2029
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:17,599
Speaker 1: strong Yeah, the evaluation of a quarterback. It's already gone

2030
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 1: twelve and four in the NFL against a guy like

2031
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 1: Drew Locke, who even the guy sitting next to me, Murph,

2032
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 1: said he didn't even deserve to be at this Senior Bowl.

2033
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 1: He stinks. So you've got that evaluation along with some

2034
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 1: others who And you're telling me an organization like the Raiders,

2035
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:38,599
Speaker 1: with all that they've done and as bad as they were,

2036
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 1: picking fourth overall with three first round draft picks to

2037
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:46,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna take a quarterback, Yeah, to replace a guy

2038
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 1: who's already proved that a lot of people get their

2039
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:51,160
Speaker 1: hands on. And I'll say this, they may trade Derek

2040
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 1: Carr three years ago. They may trade Derek Carry three

2041
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 1: years ago in another car with his contract. Though, I mean,

2042
01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 1: are you gonna get a fourth round pick? Is it

2043
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:00,720
Speaker 1: gonna be worth it to you? I mean there needs

2044
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 1: to be some what like what was the Khalil mac

2045
01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm deal worth? I mean, well, Khalil Mack and Derek

2046
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:09,240
Speaker 1: Carr are two different echelons of prospects here Derek Carr

2047
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:12,959
Speaker 1: is far removed from his best season. He has struggled

2048
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:15,720
Speaker 1: very much so over the last couple of years. And

2049
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:19,519
Speaker 1: I remember he was not drafted into the John Gruden era.

2050
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 1: John grun got along with him. It's just I don't

2051
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:26,960
Speaker 1: think they'll do it at four, but I would not

2052
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:28,720
Speaker 1: rule it out. It's sticking in my mind. And there's

2053
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,160
Speaker 1: also the possibility, because they have twenty four, twenty seven,

2054
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:33,639
Speaker 1: thirty five, they can package a couple of those picks,

2055
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:35,720
Speaker 1: get back in the top ten and say, hey, we're

2056
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 1: gonna get our quarterback that way. So you've seen it,

2057
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:40,920
Speaker 1: We've seen it. The Raiders are in some places linked

2058
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:44,439
Speaker 1: to Kyler Murray, right, I mean I don't know what. Right.

2059
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 1: First of all, what are you gonna be there? Well,

2060
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 1: what do you think it's going? Kyler Murray? Number one?

2061
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:50,600
Speaker 1: I think so? I think do you think aris? What

2062
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 1: would it take to get Arizon out? Would it take

2063
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 1: the Raiders draft the three first rounders? Raiders have four

2064
01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 1: picks in the first thirty five. I have ammunition. Yeah,

2065
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:02,719
Speaker 1: they've got the bullets to get it done, no question.

2066
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:06,720
Speaker 1: But if they does Kyler Murray strike you as a

2067
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 1: John Gruden quarterback I don't know. I'll tell you who

2068
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:14,320
Speaker 1: does Drew Locke? Well, you can get it. You can

2069
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:16,840
Speaker 1: get Drew Locke at thirty five. No, you can't. He

2070
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:18,680
Speaker 1: will be gone with in the first fifteen picks. Well,

2071
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 1: that gets me to the second part of this question,

2072
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 1: and it all usual comes down to quarterbacks. How do

2073
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 1: we go from maybe two first round quarterbacks to now

2074
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 1: people talk about five, including Drew Locke and Daniel Jones

2075
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:30,599
Speaker 1: from Duke and a Steve Bench. And I saw both

2076
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:32,240
Speaker 1: of them at the Senior Bowl and they were both like,

2077
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:34,840
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't see much there and that's only

2078
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 1: one impression. But how are they how do they become

2079
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 1: top ten picks? Daniel Jones Drew Locked? Well, I think

2080
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 1: Drew Locks. The opinion on him has been high ever

2081
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 1: since last year, this time around the draft, and and

2082
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 1: he didn't he didn't do necessarily anything to disappoint through

2083
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:53,040
Speaker 1: through his season and there are some teams that are

2084
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:55,320
Speaker 1: probably going to be pretty high on him. And is

2085
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:57,600
Speaker 1: he one of those big, tall, big strong like a

2086
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 1: Josh Allen Tye. No. I mean, he's got a really

2087
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 1: strong arm, but he's not like he's not that type

2088
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:07,960
Speaker 1: of big prototype sort of five. He is. He is

2089
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:10,720
Speaker 1: that the arm strength just isn't there as much, but

2090
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:12,760
Speaker 1: still he's got and he's not an athlete, doesn't run

2091
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:14,720
Speaker 1: like John. He can a little bit, but this is

2092
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 1: but it's more about it's more about the rush to

2093
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:23,120
Speaker 1: get quarterbacks, obviously, because that's how the NFL is these days.

2094
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 1: And honestly, I think the opinion of Drew Locke, who

2095
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 1: has gotten little to know Buzz whatsoever throughout throughout this

2096
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 1: draft cycle. Um, he's gonna be a first rounder, Murph.

2097
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:37,280
Speaker 1: I see that now. He's gonna be a first rounder.

2098
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:39,479
Speaker 1: And I would not be shocked if he is a

2099
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 1: top ten pick. And I'm not That's why I'm saying

2100
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:45,559
Speaker 1: quarterbacks do that to people. The Raiders. I mean, look

2101
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:47,680
Speaker 1: at all the decisions the Raiders have made. You tell

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01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:50,040
Speaker 1: me it's beyond them to take Drew Lockett four. No,

2103
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you that they're crazy. Daniel Jones from Duke, Yeah,

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01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 1: how did he want? He's in your He's in your

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01:42:56,280 --> 01:43:05,320
Speaker 1: top ten, Cutcliff guy, Yeah, I think the Giants seventeen.

2106
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,439
Speaker 1: I think that's his spot. The Giants six or seventeen,

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01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 1: either six or seventeen, probably seventeen. Just because your last one. Yeah, yeah,

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01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, if you've got taken at seventeen, why not

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01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:19,559
Speaker 1: take him at six? Why is that? I agree with you? There?

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01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 1: Why is he the Giants guy? What happened? Well? He's

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01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't done much work on the quarterbacks

2112
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 1: for obvious reasons because the Bills aren't going to take

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01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:32,400
Speaker 1: one in the first three rounds, maybe not even the

2114
01:43:32,439 --> 01:43:38,639
Speaker 1: first five rounds. Um, but the linkings to Peyton Manning

2115
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:42,680
Speaker 1: and the have being the same, being the same understudy

2116
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:45,920
Speaker 1: of Peyton Manning's coach from college, Cutcliff, and um, I

2117
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 1: mean he actually understands the game from from that perspective,

2118
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:52,639
Speaker 1: he has a better he's been compared to Ryan Tannehill,

2119
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:56,120
Speaker 1: which is not great, but still Ryan Tannehill was a

2120
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:58,559
Speaker 1: first round pick Yeah, and was a starter for seven

2121
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:01,360
Speaker 1: years even though he made Miami fans cry for the

2122
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:03,560
Speaker 1: last three or four. Yeah, we get a lot of

2123
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:06,640
Speaker 1: mileage out of that Cutcliff thing for for several years now.

2124
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I know he's a great coach,

2125
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 1: but who am I thinking? The Bills quarterback from Duke

2126
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:15,439
Speaker 1: that started for a while talking about Fat Lewis. Yes,

2127
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 1: he was a cut Yes, great guy. By the way,

2128
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 1: were you looking that up to this fat Lewis? Great guy?

2129
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:24,200
Speaker 1: Love that guy. He was a cutcliff guy and really

2130
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:25,920
Speaker 1: could not play quarterback in the league, but he was

2131
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:28,439
Speaker 1: a cutcliff guy. Yeah. You just sitting in the middle

2132
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:31,960
Speaker 1: of this conversation. The draft is a rabbit hole. It

2133
01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:34,680
Speaker 1: is a rabbit hole. Welcome to my wife's And I'm

2134
01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:37,639
Speaker 1: telling you we are we are way in over our heads.

2135
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:39,720
Speaker 1: Deep down. We get this quarterback stuff and where they're

2136
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:41,760
Speaker 1: gonna go. And you're right, and we all see it.

2137
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 1: And one of the you can almost there's not too

2138
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:47,479
Speaker 1: many surefire things, but the one surefire thing that has

2139
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:49,800
Speaker 1: always been true is quarterbacks go higher than you think

2140
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:52,439
Speaker 1: that ye yep, because if you've got because the position

2141
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:55,720
Speaker 1: is too important and the need is too great to

2142
01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:59,640
Speaker 1: pass up a guy who could, with one alteration of

2143
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 1: his g become a great quarterback, a winning quarterback exactly.

2144
01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 1: So they're these quarterbacks that you're mentioned, the ones that

2145
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:11,599
Speaker 1: you know they evaluate. Is funny because the Senior Bowl,

2146
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:15,679
Speaker 1: the Combine, they all get drafted rated where they should fall,

2147
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:19,599
Speaker 1: and then they put then they put the QB behind

2148
01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:21,479
Speaker 1: their name and then all goes out the window. All right,

2149
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:24,679
Speaker 1: So let's let's just say Oakland doesn't take a quarterback

2150
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 1: at four, then team like Washington goes, hey, Tampa, what

2151
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:32,639
Speaker 1: it'll take to get to five. We're gonna take our guy.

2152
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 1: And then Oakland sitting there going, oh, what did we

2153
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:38,599
Speaker 1: do not taking our quarterback at four? So that's why

2154
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:41,760
Speaker 1: if if they feel strongly about one of these three

2155
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are going to be there, are there Drew

2156
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 1: lock m Dwayne Haskins, or Daniel Jones, then that's where

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01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 1: that it might be within the realm of possibilities that

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01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:55,640
Speaker 1: they take one of those guys at four. I'm not

2159
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:58,760
Speaker 1: ruling it out. They send home all the scouts like

2160
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:01,840
Speaker 1: they want. They want people around the decision to be

2161
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:05,360
Speaker 1: too Gruden and mayok, you tell me that secrecy. Doesn't

2162
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:07,919
Speaker 1: we have something off we've had We've had this conversation

2163
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:10,840
Speaker 1: order in the show. And the reason they do this

2164
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 1: they don't want anybody to know who they like. True,

2165
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:15,519
Speaker 1: nobody can know who you like in the room. They

2166
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:17,800
Speaker 1: also haven't been linked to quarterbacks at all, that's right.

2167
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 1: And at four anyway, well, I mean everybody's talking. We

2168
01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:23,479
Speaker 1: we're talking about it, right, So I'm just trying to think.

2169
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:26,720
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever smokescreen they think they're throwing at you is.

2170
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:31,680
Speaker 1: John Gruden's reputation is that he is he's gonna be

2171
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:33,560
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. He's going to do it, and he

2172
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:36,599
Speaker 1: went and when his time in Tampa Bay, he turned

2173
01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks through there like a tree grinder. True, it's also

2174
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:44,320
Speaker 1: a different a different era of the NFL has been

2175
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:46,120
Speaker 1: out of it for ten years. He may still think

2176
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 1: it's the same era. If he uses a fax machine,

2177
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:53,680
Speaker 1: he might um um. And he did say that the

2178
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:56,280
Speaker 1: couple they did. Do you use a fax machine? Still No,

2179
01:46:56,439 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know what they are, but

2180
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:02,080
Speaker 1: I do know. It's like, you know a little bit

2181
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:04,240
Speaker 1: like DVDs. I know what they are, but I still don't.

2182
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:07,760
Speaker 1: I don't use it. But from a Bill's perspective, if

2183
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:11,439
Speaker 1: you if they are able to see two to three

2184
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:14,720
Speaker 1: quarterbacks go in the top nine, oh my goodness, that

2185
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:16,720
Speaker 1: is the best news ever for the Bills, because and

2186
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:18,680
Speaker 1: then they have a shot. They turn a top five pick,

2187
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:21,360
Speaker 1: they have a shot at at Oliver at that point,

2188
01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:23,800
Speaker 1: which I think is probably to the top of the

2189
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:26,559
Speaker 1: shot at Josh Allen. You think they would like Josh

2190
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:30,200
Speaker 1: Allen more than at Oliver or Quinnon Williams. See. Quinn

2191
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:32,559
Speaker 1: Williams and at Oliver I think are kind of along

2192
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 1: the same plane here. Obviously Quinnon has a better size

2193
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:38,639
Speaker 1: and the better stature for the more prototype. But they

2194
01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:45,000
Speaker 1: absolutely covet that interior pass rushing free technique defensive tackle,

2195
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 1: and they don't have it on their roster. What's your

2196
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:49,960
Speaker 1: thought about what's your thought about the other kid, Christian

2197
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 1: Wilkins See I like him, I don't love him in

2198
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:56,760
Speaker 1: comparison to the other two. I wonder if he would

2199
01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:59,479
Speaker 1: be in play for that ninth overall spot, just because

2200
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:01,599
Speaker 1: they don't have anything there. But I also don't feel

2201
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:03,040
Speaker 1: like they should be in a position where they have

2202
01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:07,080
Speaker 1: to force a position. And because you know we're talking

2203
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:10,240
Speaker 1: about these excuse me, these three guys in terms of

2204
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:13,400
Speaker 1: the first round. But if they miss out on a

2205
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 1: defensive tackle in the first three rounds, you know what

2206
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:18,439
Speaker 1: they could do. They can go send a fifth round

2207
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:22,000
Speaker 1: pick to Tampa Bay for Gerald McCoy and there's your starter. Yeah, well,

2208
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:24,280
Speaker 1: they may do both. They have the cap room they have.

2209
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:27,320
Speaker 1: They have they're not going to use all ten picks.

2210
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:30,439
Speaker 1: I don't think they have flexibility. There. The reason I

2211
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:33,400
Speaker 1: think this Christian Wilkins is a kid that the Bills

2212
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:36,320
Speaker 1: like is because when we heard a guy who knows

2213
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 1: him and scouted him, he said, the guys, he's an

2214
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:43,640
Speaker 1: extremely intelligent player. Oh yeah, extremely you know, he's a

2215
01:48:43,680 --> 01:48:46,960
Speaker 1: good leader, he's one of those guys, a stand up player,

2216
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 1: and he's got an incredibly fast motor. Steven, let me

2217
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:52,559
Speaker 1: read it to you. It was Dan Shaka who actually

2218
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:56,320
Speaker 1: mocked him to the Bills. Uh, Dan Shaka, Christian Williams

2219
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:58,200
Speaker 1: to the Bills, and his quote was, here's a guy

2220
01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:00,759
Speaker 1: who's super smart, a four year guy. He's blue collar,

2221
01:49:01,160 --> 01:49:03,920
Speaker 1: hard working. The guy is just a tremendous hard work

2222
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:05,960
Speaker 1: around the field, a great human being. You can't go wrong.

2223
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:08,160
Speaker 1: The guy will give it to you every single down

2224
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:11,040
Speaker 1: like Kyle Williams. Plus he's versatile, he's smart and a

2225
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 1: great football player. And that's great. That's a great praise.

2226
01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 1: But you know, I give this is my particular bias.

2227
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:19,439
Speaker 1: Somebody talks about how hard a first round pick works.

2228
01:49:19,479 --> 01:49:22,479
Speaker 1: I started thinking, maybe he's not enough of an athlete

2229
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 1: to be in the first round, and that's why he's

2230
01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 1: focused on his hard work and his smarts, which are

2231
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 1: all good characteristics. I mean, he does really flash against

2232
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:33,280
Speaker 1: and gets into the backfield and disrupt some things back there.

2233
01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 1: I Mean the reason why a lot of people out

2234
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:39,000
Speaker 1: there love him that just love that see him on

2235
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:41,960
Speaker 1: a cursory level is because the Alabama game, the second half,

2236
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:43,760
Speaker 1: he was phenomenal and you have to give him that,

2237
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:46,000
Speaker 1: but there's also other games where he kind of disappears

2238
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 1: a little bit on you. And Wilkins the other thing

2239
01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:51,000
Speaker 1: you have to factor is he is going to be

2240
01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:55,479
Speaker 1: twenty four by this time next year, and that's a

2241
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:58,160
Speaker 1: bit old for for a draft pick, is specifically a

2242
01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:00,400
Speaker 1: top ten pick. The other part part of this that

2243
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:02,880
Speaker 1: you have to consider, especially in whether or not you

2244
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:07,160
Speaker 1: take Christian Wilkins versus say, I don't know Jonah Williams

2245
01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:10,080
Speaker 1: or Andre Dillard, but let's bring up those two because

2246
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:13,599
Speaker 1: they're left tackles by trade, and that's that's an area

2247
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:18,080
Speaker 1: that maybe the Bills could address those two players. After them,

2248
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:21,800
Speaker 1: there is a huge drop off in terms of what

2249
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 1: you can get at left tackle in this draft. I

2250
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:27,800
Speaker 1: think the guy that would be the next closest that

2251
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,760
Speaker 1: you could conceivably put over a left tackle would be

2252
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:33,400
Speaker 1: Titus Howard and he's probably a late first, early second guy,

2253
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:35,960
Speaker 1: and then after him, Like all of this, it's right

2254
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 1: tackle heavy. If they're looking for a right tackle, so

2255
01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:39,519
Speaker 1: be it. But I don't think they are. I think

2256
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:41,639
Speaker 1: they're looking for a left tackle. And then you add

2257
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:44,200
Speaker 1: this on top of it, the Senior Bowl executive director

2258
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:47,800
Speaker 1: Jim Naggie, who does a fantastic job there, really keeps

2259
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:50,439
Speaker 1: a kind of like pulls back the curtain on the

2260
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl down there. He tweeted the other day, He's like, hey,

2261
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:59,000
Speaker 1: almost finished our board for twenty twenty. Kind of lean

2262
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:01,720
Speaker 1: on offensive line next year. So the smart teams this

2263
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:04,760
Speaker 1: year will draft offensive line early, which if the Bills

2264
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:06,880
Speaker 1: don't have an eye on what's happening in twenty twenty,

2265
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:10,040
Speaker 1: potentially right, I mean, they're not doing themselves the right service.

2266
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:12,120
Speaker 1: So that that all adds to the situation as well.

2267
01:51:12,439 --> 01:51:14,719
Speaker 1: Joe Scotti is with us Joe B from Channel seven,

2268
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:17,760
Speaker 1: Draft expert sports director at Channel seven. Phone Night's open

2269
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:21,800
Speaker 1: eight fifty toll free one eight eight five fifty two

2270
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:24,439
Speaker 1: five fifty infect Joe. In the last mock draft, you

2271
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:26,519
Speaker 1: have one coming up tomorrow in the second round. You

2272
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:29,760
Speaker 1: have tied A Howard, the offensive lineman from Alabama State

2273
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:31,760
Speaker 1: going to the Bills in the second round. Yeah. I

2274
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:35,439
Speaker 1: like him a lot because of the potential to unearth him.

2275
01:51:35,479 --> 01:51:37,360
Speaker 1: I think he might get drafted a lot higher than

2276
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:39,720
Speaker 1: that though. Really, um, I think there's a chance he

2277
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:43,280
Speaker 1: goes late first. And just because you look at him,

2278
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:48,160
Speaker 1: do you know a story at all? He was a

2279
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:52,640
Speaker 1: run scheme quarterback in high school. He's two hundred and

2280
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:56,040
Speaker 1: twenty five pounds. Um. He walked on I think to

2281
01:51:56,120 --> 01:51:59,479
Speaker 1: Alabama State originally as a tight end a brand their

2282
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:02,400
Speaker 1: scout team that year, and and then the next year

2283
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:05,120
Speaker 1: he became an offensive tackle. And he put on a

2284
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:08,240
Speaker 1: hundred pounds between then and where he is now. He's

2285
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:10,840
Speaker 1: three hundred twenty two pounds. He's built really well. It's

2286
01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:12,800
Speaker 1: not bad weight, it's good weight. And when you watch

2287
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:15,080
Speaker 1: him play, the way his feet move make you go,

2288
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:17,800
Speaker 1: oh oh that that could be something. And he's got

2289
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 1: the long arms. I mean, he played right tackle at

2290
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:23,519
Speaker 1: Alabama State. But when when you have those traits, this

2291
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:27,479
Speaker 1: is a very the word that came up, I think

2292
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:30,519
Speaker 1: the guys at the Draft Network termed this toolsy. When

2293
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:34,200
Speaker 1: you have a very toolsy player like Titus Howard, then

2294
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:38,160
Speaker 1: that's a bad word. I know teams are going teams

2295
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:40,960
Speaker 1: are going to draft that player earlier than you think.

2296
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:43,400
Speaker 1: But I also think if he was on the board

2297
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 1: at forty and the Bills don't take When in the

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01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:47,720
Speaker 1: first round, he would very much be their couple of Yeah.

2299
01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:51,720
Speaker 1: When Titus Howard the overriding impression I have from him,

2300
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:54,360
Speaker 1: and again this is just me. Senior Bowl, he was

2301
01:52:54,439 --> 01:52:57,439
Speaker 1: getting chewed up and spin out by Montes Sweat. I

2302
01:52:57,479 --> 01:52:58,920
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about that. I want to talk

2303
01:52:58,920 --> 01:53:02,519
Speaker 1: about Montes Sweat, who's declining in the draft because of

2304
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:06,320
Speaker 1: health issues, And I want to talk about the DK Metcalf.

2305
01:53:06,360 --> 01:53:09,080
Speaker 1: They're both kind of dropping like stones right now. I

2306
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:12,840
Speaker 1: think you would please. I think with with Sweat, it

2307
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:15,000
Speaker 1: really all depends on the team. But I also think

2308
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:18,600
Speaker 1: it's part of it that the defensive end group, you

2309
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:21,519
Speaker 1: have that top tier, which is Josh Allen and maybe

2310
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:24,920
Speaker 1: Brian Burns, and I'm not exactly sold on that um.

2311
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:27,960
Speaker 1: And then from there it just kind of who's who's

2312
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:31,320
Speaker 1: next in that capacity. Rashaan Garry, he's got the the

2313
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:34,960
Speaker 1: laboral issue in his shoulder. Hello, Shack Lawson. I mean

2314
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:38,040
Speaker 1: it's the same situation. Um, Montes Sweat, who has the

2315
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:39,840
Speaker 1: heart condition that he got flagged for it at the

2316
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:44,519
Speaker 1: NFL Combine. Who am I forgetting here? Um? Jechai Polite,

2317
01:53:44,640 --> 01:53:47,160
Speaker 1: Jakai Polite from Florida, who might not be a first

2318
01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:51,000
Speaker 1: round pick yep, Cleland Farrell. I mean, he's kind of

2319
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:54,519
Speaker 1: a fringe first round, first round guy. But but when

2320
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:57,559
Speaker 1: you have the depth of that where you see late round,

2321
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:01,240
Speaker 1: early second third is the strong part of it, teams

2322
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:03,160
Speaker 1: are going to feel like they can wait on that position,

2323
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:06,400
Speaker 1: which is why I think Montes Sweat that combined with

2324
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:10,439
Speaker 1: the issues with him, it could have him going late

2325
01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:12,800
Speaker 1: first round. I wouldn't even rule out him being on

2326
01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:15,800
Speaker 1: the board in the second round, and I think it

2327
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:17,880
Speaker 1: would be an extreme case if he's on the board

2328
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:20,240
Speaker 1: at forty, but I'm not ruling that out either. Tell

2329
01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:22,439
Speaker 1: me about your thoughts on Metcalf and why his stock

2330
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:26,400
Speaker 1: is really precipitously dropped. Um. Are you familiar with Zoolander

2331
01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:32,120
Speaker 1: at all? Yes? Okay, he's not an ambi turner. Um.

2332
01:54:32,760 --> 01:54:35,440
Speaker 1: He can run straight routes really well, and he does

2333
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:38,320
Speaker 1: it very proficiently, and he's awesome at that go routes

2334
01:54:38,360 --> 01:54:41,600
Speaker 1: come back. So you're talking about his wonderlike, no, what

2335
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:43,440
Speaker 1: are you talking about. No, I'm talking about the fact

2336
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:46,600
Speaker 1: that it looks like his his feet are in mud

2337
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:48,160
Speaker 1: a little bit when he's trying to make a cut

2338
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:54,080
Speaker 1: inside them. Agreed, Which is why he needs to find

2339
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:57,640
Speaker 1: the technical aspect of route running a bit better. Because

2340
01:54:57,680 --> 01:55:01,920
Speaker 1: if you run three routes of the route tree, um well,

2341
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:04,120
Speaker 1: and the other ones just aren't. You can't get separation

2342
01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:05,840
Speaker 1: on those other ones. Not to say he can't, but

2343
01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:10,120
Speaker 1: not often. Why are you so he's taking a flyer

2344
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:11,880
Speaker 1: on him in the top ten as much. So the

2345
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,240
Speaker 1: problem is and it's and it's weird, And this is

2346
01:55:14,280 --> 01:55:17,400
Speaker 1: what you run into when you're scouting players. He's off

2347
01:55:17,480 --> 01:55:22,440
Speaker 1: the charts physically in some areas, and he's subpar, sub

2348
01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:27,360
Speaker 1: acceptable in other aspects. So, for instance, he can outrun

2349
01:55:27,400 --> 01:55:29,800
Speaker 1: everybody on the field, but he can't run an out

2350
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:34,080
Speaker 1: route to beat an offensive tackle in coverage. Right, that's

2351
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:36,600
Speaker 1: basically what you're saying. The exaggerate to make the point.

2352
01:55:36,640 --> 01:55:38,600
Speaker 1: The problem is he can do one or two things

2353
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:42,640
Speaker 1: really good, but there's some stuff he can't do at all, right,

2354
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:48,040
Speaker 1: and that's a problem. So he in terms of his athleticism.

2355
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:50,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you guys have seen this.

2356
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:52,840
Speaker 1: Some this website that does a great job of this,

2357
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:56,960
Speaker 1: comparing players to players of old mondraftable dot com. They

2358
01:55:57,000 --> 01:56:01,560
Speaker 1: do a spider graph of everything, and DK metcalf is

2359
01:56:01,640 --> 01:56:06,400
Speaker 1: in the eighty first and up percentile in every single category.

2360
01:56:06,920 --> 01:56:09,960
Speaker 1: But is in let me get this right, the third

2361
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:13,000
Speaker 1: percentile or lower in the twenty yards shuttle in the

2362
01:56:13,040 --> 01:56:15,400
Speaker 1: three cone drill, which as the change of direction no

2363
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:18,480
Speaker 1: compared to like the last twenty years. Well, I'm sorry,

2364
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:22,120
Speaker 1: what was that last metric three three to the third

2365
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:24,600
Speaker 1: to second percentile meeting He's one of the worst ever

2366
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:27,520
Speaker 1: in at at wide receiver in three cone and twenty

2367
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:29,600
Speaker 1: yard shuttle. So it's the change of direction stuff that

2368
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:32,240
Speaker 1: kind of bogs him down, which is why you still

2369
01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:34,080
Speaker 1: want to take a shot at him in the late

2370
01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:37,240
Speaker 1: first round, early second. But I think the hype on

2371
01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:40,520
Speaker 1: him from the combine was a little bit inflated of

2372
01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:42,760
Speaker 1: what his draft stock actually is, and I think I

2373
01:56:42,840 --> 01:56:44,640
Speaker 1: think we were back to where it should be. I'm

2374
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:47,000
Speaker 1: a victim of that for sure. I want to take

2375
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:48,840
Speaker 1: one call for you here in this segment, Joey can

2376
01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:50,360
Speaker 1: you sit around for a few more minutes? Ah, yeah,

2377
01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm here. Colin wants to Christian Wilkins, and we were

2378
01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:55,200
Speaker 1: just talking about him, So I let Jim and Rochester

2379
01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:56,640
Speaker 1: around the air with this. Now Jimmy had a question

2380
01:56:56,680 --> 01:57:00,520
Speaker 1: about Wilkins from Clemson. Yeah, actually want to talk about

2381
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:03,800
Speaker 1: tanking if you guys are up for it. Deep cut there?

2382
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:07,200
Speaker 1: Remember the head fight? Where were you see? Were you

2383
01:57:07,240 --> 01:57:09,680
Speaker 1: in Africa? Then Joe and I got into it. Oh

2384
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:13,240
Speaker 1: go ahead, what do you got Jim? Anyway? Yeah, I

2385
01:57:13,280 --> 01:57:17,680
Speaker 1: was look at the Christian Wilkins the paragraph you read

2386
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:22,760
Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, um, it sounds definitely like a McDermott type.

2387
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:24,720
Speaker 1: And another thing is the guy got two degrees in

2388
01:57:24,840 --> 01:57:27,720
Speaker 1: four years and he was a three time All American.

2389
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:31,040
Speaker 1: So I still like at Oliver better, but I'm doubting

2390
01:57:31,080 --> 01:57:33,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna be there. So I would go with Christian

2391
01:57:33,200 --> 01:57:35,440
Speaker 1: if he's not there, and if they're both not because

2392
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:39,200
Speaker 1: I've seen um where Jacksonville is into him two Lords

2393
01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:43,880
Speaker 1: of the Lions. Um Hopkinson that both of them are gone.

2394
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:46,880
Speaker 1: But I just wanted to see the second round is

2395
01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:50,000
Speaker 1: where I was looking at, and that's where I think

2396
01:57:50,200 --> 01:57:53,360
Speaker 1: there's at least three receivers that potentially be there, Paris

2397
01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:58,000
Speaker 1: campbell Um, Nikkiel Harry and uh the keen Butler. I

2398
01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:01,400
Speaker 1: wanted to see what can we before we get to that,

2399
01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:02,760
Speaker 1: can we take a breakcare? I don't want to get

2400
01:58:02,760 --> 01:58:05,440
Speaker 1: too bogged down here? Absolutely, I love that question. I do. Yeah,

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01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:07,480
Speaker 1: good question, Thanks for calling, Jim. I do want to

2402
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:10,040
Speaker 1: say you had Wilkins at twenty one in your last

2403
01:58:10,120 --> 01:58:11,840
Speaker 1: mock draft. He'll be higher than that in the final one.

2404
01:58:11,960 --> 01:58:14,200
Speaker 1: You welcome to you that. Okay, a break here. Joe's

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01:58:14,200 --> 01:58:16,240
Speaker 1: back with another segment. Come on back, One Bill's Live

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01:58:16,280 --> 01:58:27,080
Speaker 1: from One Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome

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01:58:27,120 --> 01:58:28,560
Speaker 1: back date before the draft. We got a couple of

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01:58:28,640 --> 01:58:30,520
Speaker 1: minutes left with their man, Joe b. Joe was Scallion

2409
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:34,000
Speaker 1: from WKBW TV Channel seven here in Buffalo. Sports director

2410
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:37,160
Speaker 1: there going through the draft his specialty. He's got a

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01:58:37,240 --> 01:58:40,200
Speaker 1: mock draft, that one up Monday, you said, and in

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01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:43,120
Speaker 1: that draft at number nine, you have the Bills going

2413
01:58:43,160 --> 01:58:45,200
Speaker 1: with tight end T. J. Hockinson. We have a caller

2414
01:58:45,240 --> 01:58:46,720
Speaker 1: on the line and wanted to ask you about the

2415
01:58:46,840 --> 01:58:49,120
Speaker 1: tight end class. Josh in Perry, New York. Go ahead,

2416
01:58:49,200 --> 01:58:53,480
Speaker 1: josh Hi, Yeah, I wanted to. I wasn't actually gonna

2417
01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:55,200
Speaker 1: ask him anything. I was just gonna make a statement

2418
01:58:55,400 --> 01:58:58,680
Speaker 1: after the first three tight ends. I really don't care

2419
01:58:58,760 --> 01:59:02,560
Speaker 1: for this class, and I think that my thoughts for

2420
01:59:02,720 --> 01:59:05,280
Speaker 1: Bill's brass would be just stay away. It's okay if

2421
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:08,680
Speaker 1: you don't get that, but get other talent on the board.

2422
01:59:08,720 --> 01:59:10,440
Speaker 1: Don't just get a guy to get a guy. There's

2423
01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:11,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are trying to be cute

2424
01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:14,520
Speaker 1: and give a Stowson Knox or somebody like that in

2425
01:59:14,600 --> 01:59:17,240
Speaker 1: a third or fourth round. I don't like him. Ask yourself,

2426
01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:19,680
Speaker 1: is this guy better than nicol Leary, who we cut,

2427
01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:23,560
Speaker 1: or Jason Crum, who's really not a true tight end

2428
01:59:23,600 --> 01:59:26,160
Speaker 1: because he doesn't really block. So I don't know if

2429
01:59:26,160 --> 01:59:28,400
Speaker 1: you want to piggyback off of that, Joe, can you

2430
01:59:28,520 --> 01:59:30,320
Speaker 1: go for deep in the tight end class? I'm sure

2431
01:59:30,360 --> 01:59:32,520
Speaker 1: you can. Yeah. I mean I looked at all of them.

2432
01:59:34,680 --> 01:59:36,720
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with his assertion on Dawson Knox.

2433
01:59:36,760 --> 01:59:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm not as crazy about him as some people are.

2434
01:59:39,240 --> 01:59:41,600
Speaker 1: I did like Sternberger. I think he still needs to

2435
01:59:42,240 --> 01:59:44,880
Speaker 1: do some better things from from a blocking perspective, but

2436
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:47,760
Speaker 1: I like his athleticism. I like Josh Oliver. He might

2437
01:59:47,800 --> 01:59:51,160
Speaker 1: be more of a fourth round guy. Kahale Warring is

2438
01:59:51,200 --> 01:59:54,000
Speaker 1: going to get drafted in the late second round perhaps,

2439
01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:56,200
Speaker 1: But I think a couple of guys that I really

2440
01:59:56,280 --> 01:59:58,360
Speaker 1: like for the Bills if they don't take one, if

2441
01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:02,440
Speaker 1: they don't take Hawkinson at in the first round. I

2442
02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:07,040
Speaker 1: like Trevon Westco the He's just a nasty blocking tight

2443
02:00:07,160 --> 02:00:08,880
Speaker 1: end and they don't really have that on their roster

2444
02:00:09,040 --> 02:00:11,240
Speaker 1: right now. Like him maybe like fifth round or so.

2445
02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:14,800
Speaker 1: And Foster Morrow out of out of LSU. Those are

2446
02:00:14,840 --> 02:00:17,560
Speaker 1: two guys who excel on the blocking realm. And uh,

2447
02:00:17,640 --> 02:00:19,360
Speaker 1: I think Morrow will get give you a little bit

2448
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:21,920
Speaker 1: more from a receiving perspective, But I mean, those are

2449
02:00:22,160 --> 02:00:24,360
Speaker 1: two guys I think. I think the Bills had Westco

2450
02:00:24,440 --> 02:00:27,080
Speaker 1: in for a visit reportedly so so that that could

2451
02:00:27,080 --> 02:00:28,600
Speaker 1: be someone to look out for. Tell us why you

2452
02:00:28,720 --> 02:00:32,000
Speaker 1: mocked up Hockinson to Buffalo at nine, Well, it's the

2453
02:00:32,040 --> 02:00:35,520
Speaker 1: way the board fell. Certainly at Oliver was gone, Jonah

2454
02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:39,720
Speaker 1: Williams was gone, Josh Allen is gone. And in that case,

2455
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:41,960
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, I go back and forth. If

2456
02:00:42,240 --> 02:00:44,200
Speaker 1: that's the way it goes down, about whether or not

2457
02:00:44,280 --> 02:00:47,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Hockinson compared to say Andre Dillard. I mean,

2458
02:00:47,600 --> 02:00:51,640
Speaker 1: Hockinson is something that the Bills have not invested in

2459
02:00:52,040 --> 02:00:54,840
Speaker 1: in over thirty five years. Can I stop you there,

2460
02:00:55,520 --> 02:00:59,840
Speaker 1: I've said this, He's gone on right, Yeah, yeah, Joe,

2461
02:01:00,120 --> 02:01:03,240
Speaker 1: that's a dollar fine. You can't. Who cares. I'm trying

2462
02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:05,960
Speaker 1: to solve every every slight or every failure of the

2463
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:08,160
Speaker 1: franchise for thirty five years. You're trying to get back. No, No,

2464
02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't think who cares if they haven't had a

2465
02:01:10,200 --> 02:01:12,400
Speaker 1: tight end, premium tight end. You are you are You're

2466
02:01:12,440 --> 02:01:14,280
Speaker 1: not trying to solve you know now, you are right,

2467
02:01:14,440 --> 02:01:16,640
Speaker 1: but you are right. But in today's NFL, if you

2468
02:01:16,720 --> 02:01:19,760
Speaker 1: want to succeed on offense, having a great tight end

2469
02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:21,400
Speaker 1: as a way to get there, and someone who can

2470
02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:24,280
Speaker 1: who can have a multi use should be a three

2471
02:01:24,400 --> 02:01:27,160
Speaker 1: down guy. That's what That's what t J. Hockinson is.

2472
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:31,680
Speaker 1: That's a bad that's a bad justification. Or no, they

2473
02:01:31,720 --> 02:01:34,440
Speaker 1: should draft Hockingstion because they've never had a premium tight end.

2474
02:01:34,600 --> 02:01:36,640
Speaker 1: Who cares, that's I'm trying to fix everything in the

2475
02:01:36,720 --> 02:01:39,160
Speaker 1: last twenty five years. That's not the justification. Though that's

2476
02:01:39,200 --> 02:01:41,440
Speaker 1: what you started with. Okay, well it's just it's just

2477
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:43,600
Speaker 1: a little point to the broader point. Okay, get to

2478
02:01:43,640 --> 02:01:45,520
Speaker 1: the broad We're gonna talk about tanks right now. I'm

2479
02:01:45,560 --> 02:01:49,680
Speaker 1: just kidding. Um. I can't even I can't even laugh.

2480
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:52,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get a burger. What I what I

2481
02:01:52,360 --> 02:01:55,240
Speaker 1: like about Hackinson is where he is right now in

2482
02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:58,360
Speaker 1: his development. He is so advanced as a blocker, and

2483
02:01:58,680 --> 02:02:01,560
Speaker 1: you can if you draft him at nine, immediately he's

2484
02:02:01,600 --> 02:02:03,600
Speaker 1: your number one time you can you can put him

2485
02:02:03,640 --> 02:02:06,280
Speaker 1: into the starting lineup and then have him pair with

2486
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:09,360
Speaker 1: Tyler Croft and do some unique things because Hawkinson also

2487
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:11,720
Speaker 1: brings you quite a bit in the receiving realm as well.

2488
02:02:11,840 --> 02:02:14,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he knows how to uncover himself against the

2489
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:17,919
Speaker 1: zone and find those weak spots and and he deceives

2490
02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:22,600
Speaker 1: deceives the defenders as well a good yards yards after catch.

2491
02:02:22,840 --> 02:02:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean, the his ability to be strong and fight

2492
02:02:26,200 --> 02:02:30,080
Speaker 1: from that's all there. He's like him is he He's

2493
02:02:30,120 --> 02:02:32,000
Speaker 1: probably he's the best tight end of this draft, neither

2494
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:35,160
Speaker 1: for what the Bills are looking for, Yes, by a

2495
02:02:35,240 --> 02:02:37,520
Speaker 1: large margin, because he's a three down guy and he's

2496
02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:40,000
Speaker 1: got the skills in the running game the most most

2497
02:02:40,080 --> 02:02:43,320
Speaker 1: college tight ends don't have. My question is this, is

2498
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:46,160
Speaker 1: he a generational player at the level at this level

2499
02:02:46,760 --> 02:02:49,280
Speaker 1: or is he a good player that could be Do

2500
02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:52,000
Speaker 1: you know that these players though, that's my point exactly.

2501
02:02:52,040 --> 02:02:54,760
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing. Some of these guys come

2502
02:02:54,760 --> 02:02:56,360
Speaker 1: out and they are going to be generational players. You

2503
02:02:56,440 --> 02:02:59,000
Speaker 1: look at a guy like sae Quon Barkley, you look,

2504
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:00,800
Speaker 1: you know, guys like that that are going to be

2505
02:03:00,920 --> 02:03:03,280
Speaker 1: generational players. You get to the top of the draft,

2506
02:03:03,320 --> 02:03:05,360
Speaker 1: like John Elways, you go back in the draft, there

2507
02:03:05,400 --> 02:03:08,040
Speaker 1: are guys who are generational and you're like, that's a

2508
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:10,080
Speaker 1: guy that's there for a decade. Is he going to

2509
02:03:10,120 --> 02:03:14,080
Speaker 1: be an NFL tight end for twelve years? Probably? I

2510
02:03:14,120 --> 02:03:16,880
Speaker 1: mean to be determined, but but yeah, he's got all

2511
02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:19,720
Speaker 1: if it stays healthy, he's got all the potential to

2512
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:23,080
Speaker 1: do that. But the counter argument to that is, I know,

2513
02:03:23,160 --> 02:03:25,480
Speaker 1: the caller we had on wasn't crazy about the depth

2514
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:27,200
Speaker 1: of the tight end class, but that's not the general

2515
02:03:27,240 --> 02:03:30,840
Speaker 1: consensus around you know, scouting community, everything, that the depth

2516
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:33,880
Speaker 1: of this class is in the third, fourth, fifth round

2517
02:03:34,240 --> 02:03:36,320
Speaker 1: you can find some players that can contribute to your

2518
02:03:36,360 --> 02:03:38,320
Speaker 1: team and in the third round, you can find somebody

2519
02:03:38,360 --> 02:03:40,600
Speaker 1: with a little bit of potential that could develop into

2520
02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:42,680
Speaker 1: something you know, no safe that Usually those guys are

2521
02:03:42,760 --> 02:03:45,600
Speaker 1: role players and if they become starters, great, awesome, good drafting.

2522
02:03:46,440 --> 02:03:50,800
Speaker 1: But it also leads into if you like that depth,

2523
02:03:51,440 --> 02:03:54,360
Speaker 1: then if you have Hawkinson grated on a similar plan

2524
02:03:54,440 --> 02:03:57,720
Speaker 1: to Andre Dillard, because the left tackle depth is not there,

2525
02:03:58,040 --> 02:03:59,920
Speaker 1: it might be better off than you gotta go Dillard

2526
02:04:00,040 --> 02:04:02,120
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna be able to get a suitable

2527
02:04:02,600 --> 02:04:05,920
Speaker 1: right even though it's less less the next one, a

2528
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:09,520
Speaker 1: lesser guy at that position that in the later rounds. Yeah, right,

2529
02:04:09,560 --> 02:04:12,880
Speaker 1: you can get another tight end. You can get Noah

2530
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:16,120
Speaker 1: Fan or Irv Smith or Sternberger Knox, but you can't

2531
02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:19,640
Speaker 1: get another left tackle right tackle guy to the That

2532
02:04:19,680 --> 02:04:21,720
Speaker 1: would be that that would be the justification for taking

2533
02:04:21,920 --> 02:04:26,240
Speaker 1: Dillard over its center class. Dillard, Jonah Williams the top two.

2534
02:04:26,280 --> 02:04:28,760
Speaker 1: Who's next time? The tackle class? And you said, I mean,

2535
02:04:29,240 --> 02:04:31,520
Speaker 1: I mean Joan Taylor is a tackle, but he's a

2536
02:04:31,600 --> 02:04:33,640
Speaker 1: right tackle by trade. I think if the Bills were

2537
02:04:33,680 --> 02:04:35,400
Speaker 1: to make a move on an offensive lineman, it would

2538
02:04:35,400 --> 02:04:37,520
Speaker 1: be for a left tackle. That's just my read on it.

2539
02:04:37,600 --> 02:04:39,520
Speaker 1: They signed tie and second and I know he's thirty three,

2540
02:04:39,600 --> 02:04:41,880
Speaker 1: but they did give him a solid amount of money.

2541
02:04:41,880 --> 02:04:43,520
Speaker 1: I think he'll end up being a short right short

2542
02:04:43,640 --> 02:04:49,560
Speaker 1: deal two years two Uh guard left guard, gonna kick

2543
02:04:49,640 --> 02:04:51,720
Speaker 1: him in three feet to guard and put Jonah Williams

2544
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:56,080
Speaker 1: or I think his potential to flourish on the inside

2545
02:04:56,240 --> 02:05:00,680
Speaker 1: is pretty solid for you today, because I'm has changes

2546
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:03,160
Speaker 1: hour to hour, But at this moment, are you thinking

2547
02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:06,720
Speaker 1: the Bills go with the offensive tackle above say defensive

2548
02:05:06,760 --> 02:05:11,120
Speaker 1: tackle or aside from the top three elites red rushers

2549
02:05:11,200 --> 02:05:12,880
Speaker 1: or whatever the guy you know, Quinn and Williams and

2550
02:05:12,920 --> 02:05:15,840
Speaker 1: that kind of thing is tackle. Where you see the

2551
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:18,360
Speaker 1: Bills going in this I think then rather than tight

2552
02:05:18,480 --> 02:05:20,200
Speaker 1: end or what are the other positions, I think if

2553
02:05:20,240 --> 02:05:22,440
Speaker 1: they had their druthers outside of the top guys that

2554
02:05:22,520 --> 02:05:24,880
Speaker 1: we're talking about, Bosa, Quinn and Bison and Quinn and Williams,

2555
02:05:25,120 --> 02:05:27,800
Speaker 1: outside of those guys, even at Oliver. Oh you're putting

2556
02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:30,880
Speaker 1: you're lumping at Oliver, because because if they have a

2557
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:32,400
Speaker 1: chance to get out of Oliver, I think they're going

2558
02:05:32,440 --> 02:05:35,080
Speaker 1: to try everything they can to do it. And that's

2559
02:05:35,120 --> 02:05:38,040
Speaker 1: where you kind of wonder, Okay, well, what would it

2560
02:05:38,080 --> 02:05:41,360
Speaker 1: take to move up. And it's a fair question with

2561
02:05:41,440 --> 02:05:44,360
Speaker 1: the Bills because we saw we saw Brandon Bean do it,

2562
02:05:44,600 --> 02:05:46,400
Speaker 1: Jane Dmans last year. They'll do it, and they have

2563
02:05:46,840 --> 02:05:49,000
Speaker 1: draft ammo to do it. But you also have to

2564
02:05:49,080 --> 02:05:52,840
Speaker 1: sit there as an organization and say, okay, what how

2565
02:05:52,960 --> 02:05:55,720
Speaker 1: much it's too much to move up for one player,

2566
02:05:56,520 --> 02:06:00,280
Speaker 1: a non quarterback player, mind you. And I think where

2567
02:06:00,280 --> 02:06:02,480
Speaker 1: you start to think about it is five with Tampa

2568
02:06:02,560 --> 02:06:05,600
Speaker 1: Bay if Oliver's there. But even then they might want

2569
02:06:05,640 --> 02:06:07,200
Speaker 1: that second round pick, and I think that's a non

2570
02:06:07,280 --> 02:06:10,040
Speaker 1: starter because that's a that's a that's a startering player

2571
02:06:10,200 --> 02:06:13,480
Speaker 1: for you at fortieth overall. So that's why if if

2572
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:15,520
Speaker 1: they're willing to accept a package of like a third,

2573
02:06:15,600 --> 02:06:18,160
Speaker 1: a fourth, and a fifth, do it. But I don't

2574
02:06:18,200 --> 02:06:19,680
Speaker 1: know that they would. Do you believe in the Jimmy

2575
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:23,520
Speaker 1: Johnson trade valuation chart? I do. I agree with a

2576
02:06:23,600 --> 02:06:25,480
Speaker 1: couple of charts. I think you have to kind of

2577
02:06:25,520 --> 02:06:27,560
Speaker 1: have to meld them together because I think we put

2578
02:06:27,600 --> 02:06:29,800
Speaker 1: this together, right, Steve. If you take what the Bills

2579
02:06:29,840 --> 02:06:32,280
Speaker 1: two and the well the back end of the draft, right,

2580
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:34,040
Speaker 1: those seven picks two and the fourth, two and the fifth,

2581
02:06:34,080 --> 02:06:35,760
Speaker 1: one of the sixth two and the seventh. Put it

2582
02:06:35,880 --> 02:06:37,640
Speaker 1: all together, and you might be able to move up

2583
02:06:37,680 --> 02:06:40,000
Speaker 1: a couple of spots from nine to seven. Well, to

2584
02:06:40,160 --> 02:06:42,840
Speaker 1: seven to seven is a lot easier to five. I

2585
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:44,320
Speaker 1: don't know that you can do it, and I don't

2586
02:06:44,360 --> 02:06:46,280
Speaker 1: know Tampa Bay would want to do it unless they're

2587
02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:48,840
Speaker 1: getting that second round pick. So you start dipping in

2588
02:06:48,920 --> 02:06:52,200
Speaker 1: the next year's draft, right, Jacksonville is the sweet spot

2589
02:06:52,280 --> 02:06:55,320
Speaker 1: at seven for me. If if Oliver is there somehow

2590
02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:59,800
Speaker 1: at seven, the Bills, I think they could probably in

2591
02:07:00,120 --> 02:07:03,200
Speaker 1: use a trade by saying, all right, here's seventy four,

2592
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:06,440
Speaker 1: give us one oh nine, which is the Jags fourth

2593
02:07:06,520 --> 02:07:09,280
Speaker 1: round pick, and maybe something from the Bills on the

2594
02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:11,760
Speaker 1: back end, like a sixth or a seventh round pick

2595
02:07:11,840 --> 02:07:15,680
Speaker 1: or something like that. I think that could be music

2596
02:07:15,760 --> 02:07:18,680
Speaker 1: to the Jags ears because and they get another Day

2597
02:07:18,720 --> 02:07:23,000
Speaker 1: two pick by they only move down two spots, and

2598
02:07:23,080 --> 02:07:25,600
Speaker 1: they know who Buffalo is going up to get. Might

2599
02:07:25,680 --> 02:07:28,680
Speaker 1: they might they push themselves out of the realm of T. J.

2600
02:07:28,840 --> 02:07:31,720
Speaker 1: Hockinson because Detroit might take them. Yeah, maybe, but they're

2601
02:07:31,880 --> 02:07:33,920
Speaker 1: but they're probably gonna get the top offensive lineman on

2602
02:07:33,960 --> 02:07:36,000
Speaker 1: the board in that case. So and that's something they

2603
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:38,080
Speaker 1: could use quite a lot as well. Hey Joe, before

2604
02:07:38,120 --> 02:07:39,720
Speaker 1: we let you go, I want to get you involved

2605
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:42,440
Speaker 1: in today's Twitter poll, and we're trying to keep you know,

2606
02:07:42,720 --> 02:07:45,480
Speaker 1: you don't go off the rails with this one, because

2607
02:07:45,560 --> 02:07:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, I see some of the tweets and people

2608
02:07:47,240 --> 02:07:49,760
Speaker 1: send in look here it is. It's basic. What Bills

2609
02:07:49,840 --> 02:07:52,200
Speaker 1: move would shock you the most? Tomorrow night? And we

2610
02:07:52,280 --> 02:07:55,200
Speaker 1: offer a couple of alternatives. What would shock you the most?

2611
02:07:55,400 --> 02:07:57,760
Speaker 1: On the Twitter poll, thirty seven percent I responded and

2612
02:07:57,800 --> 02:08:00,680
Speaker 1: say a trade up would shock done the most. Twenty

2613
02:08:00,880 --> 02:08:03,360
Speaker 1: six percent say the Bill's trading picks for a player

2614
02:08:03,400 --> 02:08:06,160
Speaker 1: would shock down the most. Twenty five percent say drafting

2615
02:08:06,200 --> 02:08:08,760
Speaker 1: a cornerback would shock down the most, which surprises me.

2616
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:11,360
Speaker 1: Twelve percent have something else in mind? What about you?

2617
02:08:11,440 --> 02:08:15,280
Speaker 1: What would and again keep yeah within raisons. So I

2618
02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:18,080
Speaker 1: can't say taking a quarterback, right, I mean I felt

2619
02:08:18,080 --> 02:08:20,680
Speaker 1: beat about putting taking a cornerback up there. Of those

2620
02:08:20,920 --> 02:08:23,320
Speaker 1: three that are up there, yeah, I would probably say

2621
02:08:23,360 --> 02:08:25,960
Speaker 1: trade picks for a player that we were too, because

2622
02:08:25,960 --> 02:08:29,360
Speaker 1: it's unusual. I mean, being believes so heavily in the

2623
02:08:29,480 --> 02:08:32,560
Speaker 1: draft that there's I don't think he's going to sacrifice

2624
02:08:32,640 --> 02:08:34,880
Speaker 1: ninth overall for a player like the scenarios out there

2625
02:08:34,920 --> 02:08:37,000
Speaker 1: with Gerald McCoy in Tampa Bay and you could probably

2626
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:38,560
Speaker 1: get him for a fifth and you get down there

2627
02:08:38,600 --> 02:08:40,360
Speaker 1: and you didn't get your guy. At the end, exactly,

2628
02:08:40,440 --> 02:08:42,360
Speaker 1: the Bills throw in a fifth, maybe even a sixth

2629
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:44,440
Speaker 1: or a fifth and a seventh and say we'll take

2630
02:08:44,520 --> 02:08:46,800
Speaker 1: Jerald McCoy in his contract. You got him. Here's here's

2631
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:48,280
Speaker 1: why that makes sense. He's got three years left on

2632
02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:50,720
Speaker 1: his deal. He's thirty one. I think his cap hit

2633
02:08:50,760 --> 02:08:54,080
Speaker 1: his thirteen mill this year. Um bill have Bills have

2634
02:08:54,160 --> 02:08:56,160
Speaker 1: the cap room. Yeah, And the best part about it

2635
02:08:56,440 --> 02:08:58,880
Speaker 1: is they don't have there's no dead money on that

2636
02:08:59,320 --> 02:09:01,640
Speaker 1: on that contract. So if the Bills feel like it

2637
02:09:01,680 --> 02:09:04,000
Speaker 1: would benefit them to move on, then so be it.

2638
02:09:04,080 --> 02:09:06,320
Speaker 1: They came him to the curban. They're on the third absolutely,

2639
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:10,040
Speaker 1: that's absolutely so. But it also brings in this element.

2640
02:09:10,440 --> 02:09:13,400
Speaker 1: He's a leader and they lost a lot of leadership

2641
02:09:13,440 --> 02:09:16,160
Speaker 1: on the defensive side with with Kyle Williams going. And

2642
02:09:16,320 --> 02:09:19,520
Speaker 1: so even though he's thirty one, even though his Tampa

2643
02:09:19,600 --> 02:09:21,480
Speaker 1: ready to get it's just money. See, I don't know,

2644
02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:23,800
Speaker 1: I really don't know. Maybe they're just trying to move on,

2645
02:09:23,960 --> 02:09:26,960
Speaker 1: but they have tried to distance themselves all off season. Mean,

2646
02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:29,440
Speaker 1: either he still had I think he's had six at

2647
02:09:29,480 --> 02:09:32,160
Speaker 1: least six sacks over the last two seasons from from

2648
02:09:32,240 --> 02:09:35,320
Speaker 1: d tackles. He's that three technique guy. So if he

2649
02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:38,600
Speaker 1: gives you a similar level to what Kyle Williams did

2650
02:09:38,760 --> 02:09:40,480
Speaker 1: in his final year, which was a little bit less

2651
02:09:40,480 --> 02:09:42,600
Speaker 1: than what he was throughout his career, I think that's

2652
02:09:42,600 --> 02:09:44,760
Speaker 1: safe to say. But if he gives you that same

2653
02:09:44,840 --> 02:09:47,680
Speaker 1: level or a little bit higher, your defense is still

2654
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:49,280
Speaker 1: humming from where it was last year. Then you get

2655
02:09:49,360 --> 02:09:52,200
Speaker 1: upgrades from Tremaine Edmonds being better this year. Matt Milano

2656
02:09:52,320 --> 02:09:55,200
Speaker 1: conceivably maybe Levi Waller, you're saying he's a good dude.

2657
02:09:55,200 --> 02:09:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Gerald's he stand up guy.

2658
02:09:58,400 --> 02:10:01,800
Speaker 1: He is a noted locker room leader down in Tampa Bay.

2659
02:10:02,440 --> 02:10:04,200
Speaker 1: So this is Christmas Eve for you, Right, You're gonna

2660
02:10:04,200 --> 02:10:09,640
Speaker 1: make cookies tonight, and yes, I'm probably Lee say go

2661
02:10:09,720 --> 02:10:12,960
Speaker 1: to bed your feetie pajamas. No I'm not Coco, and

2662
02:10:13,400 --> 02:10:15,560
Speaker 1: I might have the footy pajamas on, but but sleep

2663
02:10:15,600 --> 02:10:17,600
Speaker 1: will not be it will not be happening. But I

2664
02:10:17,720 --> 02:10:19,360
Speaker 1: think I think I'm just gonna be laying in bed

2665
02:10:19,440 --> 02:10:23,720
Speaker 1: going Okay, we'll, we'll Jacksonville moved down from seven. Well

2666
02:10:23,800 --> 02:10:25,800
Speaker 1: will La give up a first round next year to

2667
02:10:25,840 --> 02:10:27,800
Speaker 1: go get your lock? Yeah? We love you, Joe. Yeah,

2668
02:10:27,800 --> 02:10:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm here. You got your final mock draft on WKBW

2669
02:10:32,240 --> 02:10:34,360
Speaker 1: dot com tomorrow afternoon. You got it, yep. And then

2670
02:10:34,400 --> 02:10:36,520
Speaker 1: the special again is seven thirty the Special. And I

2671
02:10:36,640 --> 02:10:40,480
Speaker 1: just posted today at WKBW dot com my twenty two

2672
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:44,320
Speaker 1: bills related draft thoughts heading in too. It's it's down,

2673
02:10:45,040 --> 02:10:47,560
Speaker 1: it's a lot to unpack and there are a lot

2674
02:10:47,640 --> 02:10:50,040
Speaker 1: of words in there. But if you love draft theory

2675
02:10:50,080 --> 02:10:52,920
Speaker 1: and draft strategy and being a nerd with with this

2676
02:10:53,040 --> 02:10:55,280
Speaker 1: whole thing, I encourage the reading, not because I wrote it,

2677
02:10:55,320 --> 02:10:57,800
Speaker 1: because because it's fun to think about that stuff. Thanks Joe,

2678
02:10:57,800 --> 02:11:00,480
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming in. Joe, Joe Scotty joining the Steve

2679
02:11:00,560 --> 02:11:02,640
Speaker 1: and I coming back One Bills Live from One Bills Driving.

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. We had an interesting guest on the

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Speaker 1: twelve thirty John Stephenaggan from Rochester. His great grandfather founded

2686
02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:34,320
Speaker 1: the Rochester Jeffersons and in nineteen twenty they were an

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02:11:34,360 --> 02:11:37,240
Speaker 1: original charter member of the National Football League. They will

2688
02:11:37,280 --> 02:11:39,880
Speaker 1: be honored Saturday when the Bills select their six pick

2689
02:11:39,960 --> 02:11:42,120
Speaker 1: in the draft right from Rochester, with the Mayor of

2690
02:11:42,200 --> 02:11:45,360
Speaker 1: Rochester making the pick. John Stephenaggan talked about how the

2691
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Speaker 1: Rochester Jeffersons became an original NFL team in nineteen sixteen

2692
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Speaker 1: and the Rocherter Jeffersons were the state champions and in

2693
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventeen season rolled around. The Canton Bulldogs were the

2694
02:11:58,560 --> 02:12:03,200
Speaker 1: biggest team with Jim Thorpe, and Leo wanted to get

2695
02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:06,880
Speaker 1: more notoriety for his team, so he contacted Jim Thorpe,

2696
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:09,280
Speaker 1: booked a game with Jim Thorpe, and they played a

2697
02:12:09,320 --> 02:12:12,520
Speaker 1: game in nineteen seventeen. They lost forty one nothing, but

2698
02:12:12,680 --> 02:12:15,720
Speaker 1: after the game, Jim Thorpe said, We're gonna be starting

2699
02:12:15,760 --> 02:12:18,760
Speaker 1: a league soon, in a pro league. We'll contact you,

2700
02:12:19,160 --> 02:12:22,800
Speaker 1: so Leo kept in contact. In nineteen twenty, they met

2701
02:12:22,840 --> 02:12:26,200
Speaker 1: in the Hubblebile showroom. There you go. He was humble

2702
02:12:26,240 --> 02:12:29,920
Speaker 1: bile in can Ohio. Thanks to John for joining us

2703
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:31,920
Speaker 1: to talk about that. That's pretty cool. Hey, we want

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Speaker 1: to remind you the Bills and Units are holding their

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Speaker 1: It is a week from Saturday. Every donor gets a

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Speaker 1: dot com. Every time I say that, now that promoere,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna laugh, Yes, without question. Inflatable activities. Hey, now

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Speaker 1: that's why I was gonna be fun. I can't wait

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Speaker 1: for Tomas it is. It's gonna be an absolute blast

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Speaker 1: and I and it's gonna be very unpredictable. I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's any question. And I don't know that you

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Speaker 1: and I have our little guy. The eight people we

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Speaker 1: picked yesterday, they think one of them is going to

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Speaker 1: be a guy. They could be somebody completely off the

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Speaker 1: wall and that and that has happened because I have

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Speaker 1: rarely been able to get close to picking who the

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Speaker 1: Bills are gonna pick in the Draft and any year

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Speaker 1: all the way back in the day, I just never know,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure this year is no different. I agree

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun. And Joe brings up there's been

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Speaker 1: buzzing in a little bit of rumored about Gerald McCoy

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Speaker 1: that could happen. He laid out some issues why that

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Speaker 1: would be plausible for the Bills to maybe make a

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Speaker 1: move like that at trade like that even attractive. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll see, maybe that happens before the draft. Anyway, We're

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Speaker 1: on noon to three tomorrow and then tomorrow night we're

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Speaker 1: on the radio at eight pm. Make sure you join

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