1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Bloomberg's special coverage of the twenty twenty 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: four CNN presidential debate right here on Bloomberg Television and 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: Radio alongside Joe Matthew, I'm Kaylee Lines, and we just 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: witnessed ninety minutes of debate between a current and former 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: president for the first time in history, a debate in 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: which the incumbent, Joe Biden, often struggled, stumbling over his words, 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: misstating figures, at times freezing at one point, whereas Donald Trump, 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: who did appear this evening, Joe, much more energetic and forceful, 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: often said things that were not factually correct. Joe Biden 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: continually accused him of lying, and yet with a hoarse 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: voice that many in the Democratic Party are now attributing 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: to a cold Joe Biden at eighty one perhaps played 13 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: into fears about his age this evening. 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an interesting exercise. We're probably going to 15 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: hear a lot more about performance than we are about substance. 16 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: Following ninety minutes. To Kayley's point, there, we had one 17 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: break in the middle of this exercise. One toward the 18 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: end before closing statements, the president actually seemed to struggle 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: through his closing statement, which is an opportunity to get 20 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: into something that would be more rehearsed. But look, the 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: CNN moderators who we just watched and listened to did 22 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: not make any attempt to fact check either of the 23 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: candidates here, and I guess that will be the job 24 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: of our panel, Kyley. 25 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, Joe Biden did at times attempt to 26 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: fact check Trump, at least accusing him of lying, not 27 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: always though providing what he says are actually the facts. 28 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: And many times, interestingly, these candidates were asked questions that 29 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: they simply just did not answer, talking about other subjects entirely. 30 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: Donald Trump did that on multiple occasions. When asked if 31 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: he would accept the results of the election, it took 32 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: multiple tries from the moderator and he said, ultimately not 33 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: yes or no, but if it's a fair and legal election, absolutely. 34 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: We're going to walk you through some of the highlights, 35 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: if we can call them that, of this first debate 36 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: in the cycle, and we'll have analysis ahead with Rick 37 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: Davis and Kristen Hank. 38 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: First, though, let's check in on the Spin room in 39 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: Atlanta with Lomberg's correspondent David Gera, who is there on 40 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: the ground, So David, that was something to behold at times. Frankly, 41 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: it was uncomfortable. How do things feel in the spin 42 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: room in the aftermath. 43 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the two of you have laid that 44 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 3: out just as I witnessed it. It was a really stark contrast, 45 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 3: and there were moments that were, as you said, quite awkward. 46 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 3: The contrast really start between these two candidates in terms 47 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 3: of their presentation. I think that something is you mentioned 48 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 3: that there wasn't any fact checking. You did notice that 49 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 3: with the former president, with Donald Trump, when asked a question, 50 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 3: he would often take that moment to go back to 51 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: something else that was talked about in the question before that. 52 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 3: I did note a few times that Dana bash reintroduced 53 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: the questions and this is what we're talking about now, 54 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: and give him another opportunity to do that. But I 55 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 3: agree with your assessment too that we didn't get a 56 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 3: whole lot of substance here, a substance that was new. 57 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 3: I think of sort of ways that President Trump in 58 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 3: particular reframed things that were novel, particularly when it comes 59 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 3: to January sixth. Yes, there is what we've heard from 60 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: him before about those who participated in that insurrection in 61 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: that action on Capitol Hill, but then kind of using 62 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 3: January sixth, this is kind of pivot moment for the 63 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 3: economy and all that he inherited then, and sort of 64 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 3: what happened on January sixth to the economy and the 65 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: country as a whole was a shall we say, creative 66 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: spin on what happened on that day. A bit of 67 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 3: news also from the former president on abortion. Of course, 68 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 3: that's been in the news so much over these last 69 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: few weeks, and we had that Supreme Court decision this 70 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: week on the heels of the reporting the Bloomberg did 71 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: yesterday about the Supreme Court allowing the allowing abortions in 72 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: emergency circumstances to happen in Idaho. You did have Donald 73 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 3: Trump on the record today again saying that he defers 74 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 3: to the States, but says that he is somebody. He 75 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 3: is a candidate who's in favor of exceptions in a 76 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: kind of Reaganite mold. Has he put it. That's what 77 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 3: stood out to me. I noted with Donald Trump in particular, 78 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: there were three or four things he kept coming back 79 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: to that. Of course, the migrant crisis as he sees it, 80 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 3: quantity of people coming into this country, he blaming Joe 81 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 3: Biden for that and talking a bit about sort of 82 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: what he inherited. What Joe Biden inherited was this great economy, 83 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 3: this great country. 84 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: Let's talk about creative spin for a moment, David, because 85 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: you're right in the middle of it here as you 86 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: join us live from the spin room. This is great 87 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: giving us a little bit of a walk around. How 88 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: are the two campaigns representing themselves? This is a pretty 89 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: quiet spin room, if we can be honest. Before the 90 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: debate started, what are you seeing around you? Now? 91 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a bit quiet, and once it ended 92 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: there was an ear quiet to the room as well. 93 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: But you have Mattur camermon focusing here on Sarah Hockey Sanders, 94 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: who's speaking to reporters now on the floor here now 95 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 3: filling up with more reporters and more surrogates. Let me 96 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: see if I can get my microphone a bit closer 97 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 3: and we can pick up anything that she's she's having 98 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: to say here, Joe, and if you just way with. 99 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 4: Resimblest, it's a clear contest and it's a win win 100 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 4: overwhelming me for president. 101 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: Forgive me, yes, I saw her from Afar chrisident Biden 102 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 3: will still be the Democratic nominee. 103 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 5: By the time we get to November, he is. 104 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 4: The Democratic nominee. 105 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 6: He will be on the ballot. 106 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 4: And we are going to defeat him this November and 107 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 4: elect President Trump the next president of the United States, 108 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 4: and the American people see crystal clear Joe Biden's fail policies, 109 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 4: whether it's the border crisis, Biden inflation, or his weak 110 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 4: role as commander in chief leading to chaos and weak 111 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 4: in national security. This was an absolute, overwhelming knockout victory 112 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 4: by President Trump against a failed, feckless and weak Joe Biden. 113 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 3: What do you just step away here? As she continues again, 114 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 3: that's the least Stefanic the congressman from New York. And 115 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 3: as I kind of walk around the floor to see 116 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 3: who else is out here, she principally there the only 117 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 3: surguit that I'm seeing on the floor right now. But 118 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 3: you just picking up there on what she's saying about 119 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: the economy. Again, that was something I think that the 120 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 3: former president returned to time and time again. And you saw, 121 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 3: as you mentioned the top, Joe Biden, the current president, 122 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: trying to context you lize sort of the economy that 123 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 3: he inherited when he was president. I found it kind 124 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: of halting in the way that he was able to 125 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: deal with that issue too, David, that was great. 126 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 2: Thanks for the peak behind the curtain, mayor of Bloomberg's 127 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 2: David Gura with us in the spin room. These are 128 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: the conversations that are going to lead to the coverage tomorrow, 129 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: and you just got anice peak at it right there. 130 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: As we now reassemble our political panel, Rick Davis, Republican 131 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: strategist and partner at Stone Court Capital, that's with us, 132 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 2: along with Democratic strategist Kristin Hahn, partner at Rock Solutions. 133 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: All right, guys, we need some honest talk here about 134 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: what we just saw. Both of your phones were blown 135 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: up through that whole debate, as you heard from your 136 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: colleagues from both sides of the aisle. Kristin. Anyone's talking 137 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 2: about is Joe Biden's voice tonight. 138 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,679 Speaker 6: I think he was unfortunate that he had a cold 139 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 6: and that he you know, the delivery may not have 140 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 6: been what we wanted, but honestly, the thing that struck 141 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 6: me the most was just I mean Trump might have 142 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 6: been delivering, you know, had a more booming voice, but 143 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 6: I was trying to take notes of all the lies 144 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 6: he was not and my hand started hurting. So, I mean, 145 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 6: it's really remarkable. He's taking credit for the you know, 146 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 6: the the insulin prices going down again, making you know, 147 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 6: claims that the election was a fraud, wildly wrong claims 148 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 6: about women healthcare. And it's funny because I'm like, you know, 149 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 6: if we're talking about, as your correspondent mentioned just a 150 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 6: second ago, he made news saying he would be okay 151 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 6: with exceptions for a rape and incests in that type 152 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 6: of thing. But we just saw the man lie for 153 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 6: an hour and a half, I mean, blatant, Liz, And 154 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 6: we'll see all of that debunked in the next if 155 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 6: you don't already know, over the next several days. So 156 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 6: why would we ever believe him? Why would any woman 157 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 6: ever believe him? I certainly don't. I also thought it 158 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 6: was interesting that he kept saying that, and it's a 159 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 6: big point in his campaign, you know that he talks 160 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 6: about how the president's you know, weaponizing the judicial system 161 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 6: and coming after him, But he actually said, I quote, 162 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 6: he has no idea what these cases even are. So 163 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 6: is it that he's too old and can't remember what 164 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 6: the cases are or is he weaponizing his judicial system? 165 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 6: So there were so many I don't know. I wasn't 166 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 6: expecting anything different from President Trump. But despite the delivery, 167 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 6: I think, you know, there there couldn't be two more, 168 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 6: you know, distinct choices, And wasn't that was true before tonight, 169 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 6: It's still true now and it will be true tomorrow. 170 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: But despite all of these factual inaccuracies, Trump did indeed 171 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: lie at times, and Joe Biden attempted to call him 172 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: out on that, And yet at times Joe Biden himself 173 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: struggled to articulate what exactly the facts were, even his 174 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: own facts, misstating the number of jobs, for example, created 175 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: in his administration, at one point calling into question his 176 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: own policy on Medicare after freezing for a substantial period 177 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,679 Speaker 1: of time. Rick, I'm looking at the traffic on social media, 178 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: other reports I'm seeing, and many are suggesting that the 179 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: Democrats are going to have to put someone else forward 180 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: as the nominee after tonight. 181 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, when you think back about what we were trying 182 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 5: to handicap this debate going into it, what was Trump 183 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 5: going to need to do? Trump two point zero needed 184 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 5: to be more disciplined, He needed to be less aggressive, 185 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 5: he needed to not talk over Biden. You know, those 186 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 5: things he accomplished, right. I mean, he got hot toward 187 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 5: the end of the debate, and I think it actually 188 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 5: took something away from his performances. But at the end 189 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 5: of the day, Trump kind of delivered on the style 190 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 5: at which everyone set the expectation to. And the only 191 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 5: thing anybody expected Joe Biden to do was convinced us 192 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 5: that his age is not a factor in being a 193 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 5: candidate for president or potentially a president for another term. 194 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 5: And he did not accomplish that task. You know, You've 195 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 5: mentioned it very clearly, his halting, inability to finish the sentences. 196 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 5: He looked very over prepared, He seemed to have a 197 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 5: hard time getting the numbers out. And we have to 198 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 5: remember this was his idea to debate this early one 199 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 5: on one with Donald Trump, you know, in this kind 200 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 5: of a venue with no limits on fact checking, right, 201 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 5: and so he Joe Biden's job was to be the 202 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 5: fact checker. But instead he kind of just accepted any 203 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 5: topic that Donald Trump wanted to talk about and responded 204 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 5: to it as best he could, but not with necessarily 205 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 5: a fact check that could say, hey, you're lying about this, 206 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 5: and this is what the real story is. It was 207 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 5: more kind of a personal response. And that's the thing 208 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 5: that I think most people are going to take away 209 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 5: from this debate is this was a very intensely personal 210 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 5: debate where there were two guys who clearly didn't like 211 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 5: each other, who had a totally different version of America, 212 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 5: and neither one of them really delivered any kind of 213 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 5: a good outcome for themselves. But the performance by Joe 214 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 5: Biden has to create questions in the Democratic Party's minds 215 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 5: is whether or not they have someone who's up to 216 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 5: the election they've got five months ago. And this was 217 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 5: not a man who I would say you'd ever want 218 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 5: to put on a debate stage. 219 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: Again, let's give a taste here as part of our 220 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: special coverage of the CNN presidential debate, a moment here 221 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 2: for Joe Biden talking to Donald Trump about morals. 222 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 7: The crime. So you are still charged with and think 223 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 7: of all the civil penalties you go how many billions 224 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 7: of dollars do you own? Civil penalties for molesting a 225 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 7: woman in public, for doing a whole range of things 226 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 7: of having sex from the porn star on the night 227 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 7: wife's trainer. What are you talking about? You have the 228 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 7: morals of an alley cat. 229 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: An alley cat, Kristin. I'm not sure how many twenty 230 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 2: somethings I've ever heard that word used in that way 231 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: when you listen to him speaking so quickly like that, 232 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 2: sometimes not able to get all the words out, coupled 233 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: by the voice that was struggling with a cold, freezing 234 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: up at times, a halting performance. As we heard from 235 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: a couple of folks, Democrats are going to be upset 236 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: about this, worried about this tomorrow. How can you with 237 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: a straight face tell people that he's going to be 238 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 2: in good shape four years from now running this country? 239 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 6: I mean, I think also in addition to that, he 240 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 6: was trying to fit too many things into his answers, right, 241 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 6: I mean, Trump is really good at taking one idea 242 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 6: and running with it, whether that's true or not, usually 243 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 6: mostly false, but trying to fit too much, you know, 244 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 6: and if you're quiet and you're you know, you don't 245 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 6: have that booming voice, then it's hard for people to 246 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 6: hear it. 247 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: So there were a lot of questions about his travel schedule. 248 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: He was in three different time zones over the last 249 00:11:58,880 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 2: two weeks. 250 00:11:59,400 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 6: Was that a fail? 251 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 5: I mean the staff's part. 252 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 6: He's the president of the United States. I wouldn't presume 253 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 6: to know exactly where and when he needs to be 254 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 6: where he needs to be, but he'll have some work 255 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 6: to do after this. 256 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: Of course, as we consider what this debate ultimately was about, 257 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: we're here analyzing the performance of both of those candidates. 258 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: But they did at times talk about policy. Joe Biden 259 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: decided to close out his remarks talking about economic policy, 260 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: what he wants to do in taxes and to get 261 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: inflation down. Donald Trump did at one point talk about tariffs, 262 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: suggesting they're not going to drive prices higher. He said, 263 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: it just will force other countries to pay us a 264 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: lot of money. Rick, for a voter sitting at home, 265 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: do you think any of that realistically broke through or 266 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: was the performance aspect ultimately to distracting? 267 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 6: Yeah. 268 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 5: I think it was very hard to get past the 269 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 5: performance and also the hatred between the two individuals, right, 270 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 5: I mean, that is a block to actually hearing anything 271 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 5: positive coming out of their mouths. They talk to each 272 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 5: other more than they talked to the American people, and 273 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 5: that was a stark departure from Joe Biden four years ago, 274 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 5: where he would take time to look directly into the 275 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 5: camera and talk directly to the American people about issues 276 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,239 Speaker 5: he thought were important. So I think it was relatively 277 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 5: void of any real policy prescriptions. I mean, even the 278 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 5: closing statements didn't really punch through a specific policy idea. 279 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 5: Joe Biden talked about, you know, making the tax code 280 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 5: simpler and fairer, but he didn't give any real details 281 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 5: behind what that would look like. And Donald Trump, I mean, 282 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 5: you know, arguably he did what he does every single 283 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 5: day on the campaign trail. When he goes to his 284 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 5: big events, he just makes things up and he talks 285 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 5: about how great they are. And I'm sure his campaign 286 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 5: was cringing when he got into you know, a contest 287 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 5: of wills over who's got the better golf game and 288 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 5: how many country club championships he. 289 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 6: Just was one. 290 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 5: And so I don't think either one of them distinguished 291 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 5: themselves particularly well. I mean, the idea that we're even 292 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 5: talking about Donald Trump winning a debate is because it 293 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 5: was such a disastrous performance by Joe Biden. And so 294 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 5: if you were an independent voter, a swing voter from 295 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 5: one of the key states, looking into this debate saying 296 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 5: who's got something that I can latch onto that I'm 297 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 5: going to be, you know, excited about voting for. I 298 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 5: don't think either one of them were able to accomplish 299 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 5: that goal, And if anything, I wouldn't be surprised that 300 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 5: the double haters get bigger, not smaller. Well as a 301 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 5: result of this debate. 302 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 2: That's saying something. It plays poorly for both candidates in 303 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: your opinion. By the way, ar Atlanta burea chief in 304 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: the room, says, no Democratic surrogates on the spin room 305 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: floor right now, Kristen, how long is it going to 306 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: take the party to come up with an answer to this? 307 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 6: I mean, I think they're going to have to come 308 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 6: up with how they're going to talk about it immediately, 309 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 6: and I think that the campaign's ready to do that. 310 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 6: And I think if you're going to look at you know, 311 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 6: the president is right on the issues, he was up 312 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 6: against a liar. The performance wasn't what it needed to be. 313 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 6: The campaign is going to have to be in full mode, 314 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 6: you know, like out there talking to people about like 315 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 6: what makes this president different, why these issues are so 316 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 6: important to the American people. And it's not an easy 317 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 6: thing to do when you have somebody that you're up 318 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 6: against just lying as we. 319 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: Are in our final minute here, I would just point 320 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: out that we are now two weeks out from Donald 321 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: Trump's sentencing in New York when he was convicted of 322 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: thirty four felony crimes, and we are just days out 323 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: from getting a decision from the Supreme Court on whether 324 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: he is presidential immunity in another case with which he 325 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: has been charged and in regard to January sixth, So 326 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: there could still be much to develop in this race. 327 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: And yet it feels like Joe that something did shift 328 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: in this race this evening. 329 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: We'll see how things feel tomorrow, and of course we'll 330 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: be back to hash out the details on the day 331 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: after our Thanks to Rick Davis, Republican strategist and partner 332 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 2: at Stone Court Capital, and Democratic strategist Kristen Hahn, partner 333 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: at Rock Solutions, a perfect panel with some smart insights tonight, 334 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: Kaylee will have a lot to learn tomorrow as the 335 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: campaigns get on the road. Donald Trump's going to Virginia, 336 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: Joe Biden to North Carolina, and it continues other debate 337 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: in September. Assuming that takes place. That concludes our special 338 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: coverage of the first twenty twenty four presidential debate. 339 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on Bloomberg TV and radio.