WEBVTT - Black Music Month: QLS Classic: Tawatha Agee 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.240 Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.040 episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:13.520 What up, y'all, It's Laiyah from Team Supreme. Okay, So 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:16.720 it's June, and you know it is Black Music Month. Now, 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:19.480 This month and its cause was started by my godmother, 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.720 Dianna Williams, the legendary Kenny Gamble, and the great and 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:26.239 right back in nineteen seventy nine after being invited to 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.360 the White House along with the Black Music Association. Now, 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:32.640 the Black Music Association was a group of black folks 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:34.360 that were the best of the best of the music industry. 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.760 I'm talking record execs, I'm talking radio people, I'm talking artists. 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.519 I'm talking to everybody from Clarence Avon and Frankie Crocker 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.040 to Percy Sutton, everybody in the middle right. So they 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.120 all get invited to this big party on the White 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.120 House lawn June seventh, nineteen seventy nine. And before the 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:54.120 performances started, President Carter said many things addressing and reminding 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:56.880 people of the importance of black music. Monk, and one 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.880 of the things he said was end quote in may 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.720 ways the feelings of our own black citizens throughout the 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:06.160 history of our country has been accurately expressed in the music, 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:08.800 and it presents a kind of history of our nation 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.440 when you go back and see the evolution of black 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:15.240 music word. So we've spoken a lot about Black Music 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.360 Month on Questloud Supreme and this June we are running 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:22.640 a different episode from the QLs archives every single day 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:27.120 in the name Spirit and Cause of Black Music mom. 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.120 Yesterday we reran an interviewed with James M. 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:30.479 Tuma. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:34.520 Today it is only right that we celebrate the amazing 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.800 vocalist to Watha Agi. 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:52.840 Su suprema Son subpremo roll call suprima soun subprimo, roll call, 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:59.960 subprima Sun Sun subprimo, roll call subprima Sun South, subprema. 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.840 You want your music to shine to Wathas who you call? 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:08.760 Yeah for so many credits, Yeah, let's name them all 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:15.359 right now. Uh, There's Norman Connors, Alphons, Maszoon, Phyllis Hymon, Nortim, 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:21.960 Michael Walden, Stephanie Mills, Gary Barts, Scritty Polity Chocolate, Patrice Chocolate, 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:26.359 Banks of Graham, Central Station, The Spinners, Luther vandros Irene Karra, 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:32.120 The BBQ Band, Michael Franks, Melbol Moore, Aretha Franklin, Linda Clifford, 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:36.920 Kenny Burke, Dinah Ross, lou Rass, Scritty, Polity, Phronsie Thornton, 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:43.400 kashif Lelo, Thomas, Marcus Miller, Michael Wykoff, Frankie Valley, Lenny Kravitz, 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:50.000 Teddy Pendergrass, Roy Aires, Algibo, James Ingram, Tyrone Brunson, Chromeo, Kiera, 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:57.960 Gregory Hines, Eric Clapton, Scritty Polity, Rindy Houston, ROBERTA Flat, 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:03.040 Jennifer Holiday, Talking Heads, she Jackie McGee, Joe Cocker, Deon Warrick, 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:10.880 You'll announced, Scratch, Bob James, David Lee, Roth, David Lee, Roth, Celin, 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:18.240 Dion r Kelly Sting, Sondra st Victor, David Bowie, Roxy Music, Beyonce, Ray, 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:23.239 Charles m to May and Yes, Ladies and gentlemen, Screaty. 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:33.160 Supremo, Supremo, Roll, Suprema, Suprema Roll. 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:37.320 My name is Fante, Yeah, quest Love Supreme Yeah, where 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:38.640 we sit with legends. 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:40.440 Yeah, welcome to my dream. 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:49.120 Sumo Supremo, Roll, Suprima, Suprema Roll Call. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:53.200 My name is Sugar. Yeah, I'm so glad you came. Yeah, 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:54.160 but did you really? 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:55.040 Yeah? 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:56.720 Sing on free Frame. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.880 Premo roll Call Suprema SI Supremo roll. 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:09.520 Call, Hey Bill, Yeah, no doom and gloom. Yeah, shout 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:17.480 out to Fante. Yeah, renovated the bathroom. 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:21.560 Sun Supremo roll Call Suprema S Suprema roll. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:25.400 Bill is back Yeah with another rhyme crime. Yeah, Quest 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.560 Love Supreme. Yeah, it's prime time. 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:36.800 Rome Suprema Sun Supremo roll call Suprema su su Supremo. 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:42.119 Roll Here's yeah and mister Yeah we're about to start. 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:44.080 Yeah that's too hot. 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:52.920 Upremo rhyme Supremo roll call. 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:56.160 My name is to Waa. Yeah, I'm here to pleasure. 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:57.080 Yeah. 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:58.360 One thing you left out? 0:04:58.640 --> 0:04:59.640 Yeah, I work with. 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:08.200 Lo Supreme Supremo Supremeo. 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:16.760 Roll Supremo Supremo roll call Supremo Supremeo. 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:18.560 Brought you. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.320 Yes, Bill, Okay, I said. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.120 I wasn't wait I actually I have to say that 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:36.520 I missed the strong and robust the Quest Love Supreme 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:38.919 because there was one point where it's just me and Steve. 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:48.800 Wait why Okay. Yeah, it was one roll call where 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.200 was just like the three of us Supreme and it 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.320 was over ladies and gentlemen. 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:54.719 Yeah. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:59.159 Another exciting episode of Quest Love Supreme. Awaits us. We 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:04.159 have Team Supreme. Uh yeah, how's the bathroom, man? The 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.680 bathroom is good. My wisdom teeth are even better. That's 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.320 what set me down. I had to get them taken 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:13.080 out too, and it sat me down. It went terribly bad. Really, 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:14.279 I developed a dry socket. 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:16.960 What is that for? A socket? 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:20.000 Is when like they pull your tooth and normally clotforms 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.039 to like as it heals. But if the clock comes 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.160 out or it gets loose or whatever, then you just 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:29.000 have raw nerves and bone exposed. You have to like 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:30.760 you all your food on the other side of your 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:36.680 It was just in sure apple sauce, oatmeal, and I 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:40.680 lost nine pounds. You look great, Thank you man. My 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:42.120 summer body getting in Yeah. 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:48.120 Everyone else okay house the Sugar networks. Do you see 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.440 they got stickers? Yeah, sugar Sugar Network. 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.039 We're not We are not messing around anymore. 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:58.080 Because you know we don't have swag there. 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:05.599 Sugar Network is global. Yeah, global, it's amazing cosmic. Well, 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:07.960 ladies and gentlemen. I pretty much said it all in 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:12.280 my role call, but it's yeah. 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:17.320 Our guest today is probably one of the most connected 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:24.520 artists to the world of music. There's literally any is 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.160 there anyone you have not worked with? 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:29.080 What was the Close? But no cigar? 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:33.080 Because this is your studio work, this is live. You 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:34.040 sang with everybody. 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.680 True, I wanted to work with Bonnie Rape, but she 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:42.840 doesn't use female. 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:44.320 Welcome to one and only. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:55.800 Really, my my dream is to just name an artist and. 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:59.480 You give me a story. But I actually want to 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:04.720 know where were you? First? 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.320 First things, first born in Pittsburgh, raised in Newark, New Jersey. 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:10.120 You were born in Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh. 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:11.360 Don't ask me about it. I don't know. 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.480 We left you. I was like one, No, oh damn, 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:16.520 I was over to a connection. 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:16.760 No. 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:22.360 I I did a hard time at uh the Carlton 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.320 House back when that was your chruggy. 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:27.840 Your shoulders station square doesn't mean anything to. 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:32.560 Newark, Newark, I know Newark Citywark. 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:36.520 So your family was from Pittsburgh and they migrated to Newark. 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:44.319 Yes, Pittsburgh by way of Alabama, Talladega, Birmingham. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.480 Day and night. Okay, yeah, I love that. 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:49.520 That's what people know about. 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:57.200 Okay, what how many siblings do you have? 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:57.360 Like? 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:01.120 What was your I have two older sisters. I'm the baby. 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:02.080 Did they sing as well? 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:07.440 No one sings in the family. Wow, No, my father hums. 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.200 So wow. Okay, we never had this as an area before. 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.320 Yeah, everyone comes to a musical family in the show. 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:20.760 Except so, how did music enter your life if your 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.040 parents and your siblings. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.240 Weren't well church of course, and I always listened to 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.439 the radio, you know, listening to the music on the radio, 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.600 listening to pop radio, R and B radio in Newark 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.320 and you know, constantly radio and books. 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:36.040 That was it for me. 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:40.280 Was it tolerated in the household because normally the common 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.280 thing with our guess is like, you know, secular music. 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:44.520 Oh no, no, no, it wasn't like that. 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:48.280 We had the ink spots and Ruth Brown and you know, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.480 twist and shouted Isley Brothers, you know, things like that. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.120 So they were music fans, but they were fans. 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:58.840 But no no singers in no talent, well, no singers. 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:07.240 Musical with a with an F. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:14.480 I was saying that that that's uh, the the the. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.160 The magnit magnitude of her presence. When she walked in 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.760 and Fante said his name, She's like, oh, with an F. 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:24.280 And he just confirmed, He's like, yes, anything, I'm not 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:34.320 gonna correct ms. Twatha, So uh, with with your like 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:35.760 how did music enter your life? 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:36.000 Then? 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.160 With I meant outside of church as far as you 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:41.520 wanted to take it seriously. 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:45.199 And church foremost, foremost. And I played for my church 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.400 choir when I was a little girl. And I went 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.360 to a music and arts high school, and then I 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:55.240 went to Howard and uh graduated from Howard and that's 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.480 how I met uh uh in to May and uh 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:02.160 and the rest, as they say, is uh musical history. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:06.520 What period of what year? What period did you go through? 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:07.800 Uh Howard at Howard? 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:08.480 Yeah, oh I was. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:10.400 I went to Howard from seventy one to seventy five. 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:12.679 I graduated in seventy five with a bachelor's degree in 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:13.440 music education. 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.040 Okay, everyone that I know that is going to Howard 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.960 in the seventies has the best stories ever. Like Greg 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:22.640 Tate tells me about seeing uh uh Hathaway. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:24.640 No, what's her name? ROBERTA. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.719 Miles Davis is uh Betty Davis, Betty Davis a homecoming 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:29.880 one Yeah at. 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:35.000 Hampton at Hampton Auditorium, uh Crampton, cram Crampton Auditorium. Let 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.400 me see when I was there, it was Pharaoh Sandra's 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:45.000 for homecoming. Pharaoh Sanders Miles Davis and what for for homecoming? 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:56.480 What was the holiday like for real? Doing to shoot 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:56.880 it dance? 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:01.000 So it was was that choice for you guys? It 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.080 was like, all right, we get Parris Anders. 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.160 Well, no, no, no, I was into gospel music. It 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.720 didn't I knew who those people were, but I didn't. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:09.640 I didn't go to see him. 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:14.280 I never went to a party at Howard I knew. No, 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.760 never never know church girl, did you chill on? 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.400 And so never just stopped in the yard just to 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:21.199 chill and talking. 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:22.240 Yeah. 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:24.400 What what I would do was in my dormitory. We 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:24.960 had a piano. 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:26.880 I would be in there playing gospel music and people 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.760 would come around and listen to me play. 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.920 What dorm was the Meridian Hill, Meridian Hill off campus. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.960 Any I know uptown any pre and to me, uh, 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:38.920 Donnie Hathaway interactions whatsoever? 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.640 Donnie was Donnie was had graduated by the time I 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:46.880 was there for Berta and Donnie had graduated. But when 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.200 I was there, when like I said, gospel was my roots. 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.720 Richard Smallwood was there. Richard Smallwood sang in a group. 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.760 I sang in a group with Richard Smallwood and and 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.840 Angela Winbush was also in my class. 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:00.560 Yeah, it's hot tea good good. 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.360 Oh yeah, can you explain hot too? 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.720 Oh well, look, we had no imagination. It was Tawatha 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.199 Elet and Angela elect Rix who was t e a well, 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:15.080 a phenomenal, phenomenal pianist, you know, on par with Richard 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.760 small Wood or any classical pianist you would ever want 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:22.360 to to hear. She's she lived in Sacramento now. So 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.440 it was Tawatha Elet, Angela Shelton Beckton, who is. 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.520 Now he's on Broadway. 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:34.760 He does Uh, he's music director for Audra McDonald and uh, 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.240 let me see who else. Tawatha let, Angela and Richard 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.720 that was it, and Shelton Beckton. We were hot tea 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.120 and two May was looking for a group to produce. 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:44.880 A friend of ours by the name of Louise West, 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:48.040 who was an attorney, knew m two Mays. She said, 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.520 come on down, listen to these kids sing. We sang 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.800 for him. We did some demos. Uh that really didn't 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.200 go anywhere, but I stayed in touch. 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:59.160 Okay, what was the gospel circuit? Light like, were you 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.280 doing any gospel circuit? Whatsoever? 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:02.840 We were? 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.440 We were We were pretty pretty popular. 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.960 Our gospel name was Genesis, but there was already a 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:10.839 group called Genesis, but we didn't know that there was, 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.199 you know, because we didn't listen to that kind of music. 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:19.800 So back then, no, it wasn't like that. You know, 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.760 we didn't take those kind of liberties. But you know, 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.720 we did pretty well. The church people knew us in 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.440 the DC, Maryland, Virginia area. 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:34.200 Any notable churches or notable acts that we were knowing 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:35.600 today that you guys would run. 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:41.480 Oh, no, you know you're talking. This is nineteen seventy one, 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:42.680 seventy two. 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:47.800 So no, I can tell you people that I liked, 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:49.520 but I didn't work with them. 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:51.600 We'll not work with them. But I'm just saying, like. 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:52.960 Well, who were popular at the time. 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:53.520 Did you like? 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:54.280 Oh? 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:54.920 Who I liked? 0:14:55.400 --> 0:15:00.720 I liked well, of course the Hawkens, Walter Hawkens, not 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:05.120 particularly Edwin what Walter. This was Oh my god, this 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:08.320 was before Kirk Franklin. This was this was like James Cleveland, 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.080 the Hawkins, Murna Summers, people like that. I like the 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:16.760 Mighty Clouds of Joy. Yeah, yeah, so you know, things 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:17.120 like that. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.800 So those church services were Oh, but we had a band. 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.320 I went to the Star Bethlehem Church of God in 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:28.760 Christ than v Yes, And so the church had a 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.480 band and the band was really really good. 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.520 And if you've done your research you would know. 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.320 I did a song called By the Time I Get 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:38.680 to Heaven, which had a big band. But I was 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.480 like nineteen years old and I sound like Minnie Mouse? 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.320 Was that your first was that was my first recording? 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:45.040 Really? 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:45.480 Yes? 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.240 I was so excited we can find this. 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.560 Oh, I don't know if you would find. 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.320 Oh, trust me. We were digging it. 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:55.600 Up Star Bethlehem Church of got in Christ, real youth choir. Yes, 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:56.920 from DC. 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:01.600 When I always wanted to know when churches visit other churches, 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:04.560 is it almost like a battle? 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:08.880 Atmosphere is intimidating? Are they sitting there? 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:10.560 You know you had to go and do your thing. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:14.720 You know it was competition, but healthy competition, healthy competent. 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:15.560 Did you find it? 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:16.240 Come on? 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:16.480 Now? 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:20.040 What's her name? 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:20.760 Oh? 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:21.240 My god? 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:23.840 As long as you don't have a picture, because everybody 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:27.680 had afros? All you said it was like lollipops, beautiful afro. No, 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.440 But I mean, is it it was a battle? 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:31.720 Is it intimidating at all? 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:32.440 Oh? 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.560 No, You accept a challenge because that was healthy. That 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.160 helped you grow. That helped you become better on what 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:37.680 you were doing. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:45.880 Okay, so we found uh that's Atophone last Supreme Exclusive. 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:53.000 Yes, nineteen year old star him you youth choir. Yes, 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:55.480 and this is seventy one. 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:57.480 Early seventies. 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:00.680 And this was recorded in the in the church. 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:01.440 You know, it was live. 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.560 Everything was live. We couldn't go to a studio. 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:11.960 M hm. 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:20.680 Hm everybody, Yeah, I shot that sh. 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:55.400 That's a looke. Look tell yourself, no news is good news. Wow. 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.840 Yeah you can hear the remix. 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:02.600 The base is so loud. 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:04.920 Oh yeah, absolutely, of course. 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:26.320 I wish I went to. 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:31.920 Wait it was it was a it was a set 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:32.760 every Sunday. 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:34.240 Do you guys have to see? All right? 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.520 So we're sitting here at this table. It's like three 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.399 four beats that can be made. It's why here and 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:43.080 it just from the styles the standpoint. I'm listening to it. 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.720 We listen to it for productions. My day's trying to 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:48.560 figure out the time listen. 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.600 But I also was thinking, wow, I really missed out 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:58.800 on church experience. You just don't go to church missing out. 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:00.879 I think my left me budget friend. If every Sunday 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:02.200 I went to that as supposed. 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:09.960 What was the size of the ensemble, Like. 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:15.040 Let me see, it was maybe four piece uh band 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.919 and it was maybe like thirty or forty singers. 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:19.760 So how do you. 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:27.720 Uh managed to to finagle your way into uh a 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:28.399 lead spot? 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.119 And is that a coveted spot? Well? 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.520 I was selected by the choir director, right. 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:35.520 But how's the choir director? Now the forty of you, 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:37.000 who's my most dependable? 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:40.880 Well, you know, I guess I was a new girl 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:43.119 and he liked how I sounded. I mean, you know, 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.440 it was very shy. So that was me like coming out. 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:48.119 You know what I'm. 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:51.399 Trying to actually get at is I know that a 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:55.000 lot of uh mavericks in our business have to put 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.359 in a lot of hours as far as practicing and 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:58.600 rehearsing and that sort of thing. 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.800 So I just want to what was the choir rehearsal 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:03.680 one night a week? 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:04.399 Did you know? 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:06.919 Service on Sunday? We would visit other churches. 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:08.760 I mean that was it wasn't rigorous rehearsal. 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.840 Oh no, no, no, no, no, not like that. 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.840 Okay, sorry, I just see another one of my favorite 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:18.160 gospel singings is on that Star of Bethlehemy's choir album. 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.240 Crystal Merton oh, yes she was. 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:21.119 Yeah, she went there to. 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:23.240 Love that. 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:27.400 Yes, she's great. Sorry, no, we have in a moment. 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.720 I know you had a favorite gospel artist, Crystal. 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:31.040 Crystal Cool. 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:33.120 I grew up on Crystal. Yeah. 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:38.320 So once, uh, you were done with Howard, what were 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.280 your your your plans and your goals did you have? 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:42.800 What was your major at Howard? 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:43.800 Music Education? 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:46.320 Okay, so you wanted to do something in music. 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.200 I wanted to be a music teacher, and I thought 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:50.880 that that's what I was going to do. Got out 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:54.000 there were no music positions available, so I was I 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:57.320 started to sub and you know, you know how subing is. 0:20:57.359 --> 0:20:59.040 You get up and get dressed and then they don't call. 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:04.400 So then I called him to May who said, give 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.240 me a call when you come home, you know, from school. 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:09.399 And I called him and says, well, you know, I 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:10.720 have a few sessions coming up. 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:11.520 Would you like to sing? 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:13.440 It's like sure, And it got to the point where 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:16.360 I would be making more doing a session a week 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:18.320 with him than I would working all week as. 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:19.160 A substitute teacher. 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:21.600 So it's like, I think I'll try this singing thing. 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.960 And I've done it ever since. And that's been like 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:26.240 since nineteen seventy six. 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:30.120 What were sessions paying at that time? Oh, oh my god, was. 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:37.320 In nineteen seventy six, Yes, yes, it was sessions. Then 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:39.720 you would get maybe three hundred dollars for a song. 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.000 Okay, and that would be just for singing background. 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.920 That's just for background. Oh yeah, oh Lee, just more, 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.520 even I knew more. What be for a solo? 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:47.879 You know? 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:50.040 Is that multiple times in a studio for one song? 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:52.440 Or is that just no one session like a day, 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:54.399 like every day you get three hundred dollars. 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:56.760 No, no, no, no, it wasn't a session a day. 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.200 Maybe we'd do two or three songs a day until 0:21:59.200 --> 0:21:59.879 it would be that. 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:01.280 Per song, you know. 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:04.359 Was it like a community of of you know? 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:07.800 Well, when I when I hooked up to May, No, 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:09.919 it wasn't because he was They were trying to do 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:11.080 like a self contained thing. 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.280 But I did get an opportunity. 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:17.600 To call uh Luther for a session because he had 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:21.639 a big jingle out for Juicy Fruit gum and I 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:25.760 liked his voice. I called him for a session and 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:28.399 uh for a m session by the way, and I 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:34.960 called him and Gwen Guthrie, who notable back then. Gwen 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:39.920 Guthrie Brenda White, Luther Vangolslani Groves. I called all of 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:42.119 that because and they all had a connection with ROBERTA 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:46.240 Flat who am two May and Reggie worked for for minutes, 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:49.480 so you know, so I did have an introduction to them. 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:53.280 But I called Luther for a job and we hit 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:56.280 it off famously, and so you know, I would try 0:22:56.320 --> 0:22:57.920 to call him as much as I possibly could, and 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:00.320 then he called me for work. And then after while 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:03.880 I was, you know, one of his core singers, and 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:04.720 I went out on. 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:06.960 His first few tours as a solo artist. 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:09.000 He seemed like he was one of those go to 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:11.320 people back and then who had who knew where all 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:12.000 the gigs were? 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:16.120 He only knew and he did them, and he did 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:18.560 them and he was kind enough to you know, to 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:20.720 to pull me in. And then that's how I met 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.880 Phonsie and and that's been a lifelong friendship. 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:27.239 Side note, Bill, since you're connected to Sesame Street, did 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:29.040 you know that Luther was on Sesame Street? 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:30.400 I did the first two years. 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:32.040 What was he doing? Just singing? 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:34.199 Singing? What was it? 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:36.360 It was a group of him and Nile. 0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:41.040 Him, Nile, Robin Clark, Fonzie Thornton, Nat adele yea all 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:43.119 of them. Oh yeah, because there are a lot of 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.360 photographs with them, and I did years later, I did 0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:50.520 Sesame Street also as a singer. As a singer, I 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:53.159 did like I am Chicken, hear me roar you know, 0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:54.880 you know. 0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:57.159 And I'm still getting royalty. I'm still getting royalties from that. 0:23:57.320 --> 0:24:01.000 Yeah, good for you. 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:05.919 Can your mail stack must be fat every day like 0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:07.080 it used to be like that. 0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:11.359 Oh when I was rolling, Oh girl, you know, I 0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:13.760 wouldn't go to the bank unless I had X amount of. 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:15.840 The checks to deposit, right, you know, it's like, oh, 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:16.520 that's beneath me. 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:19.440 I only have eight Yeah, and now I get checks 0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:22.879 for twenty three cents, So I mean, you know. 0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:28.280 So when you're when you're grinding the pavement for these 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:33.080 background sessions especially, was it mostly in and uh recorded 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:34.600 work or was it jingle work. 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:38.360 Or Oh, in the beginning, it was recorded work record, yeah, 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:43.760 jingle records. And then after a while the jingle people wanted, uh, 0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:48.000 the the the singers who sang on the popular records. 0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:50.280 And that's why I got into jingle singings, because they 0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:52.640 didn't want it to sound so generic anymore. They wanted 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:54.320 it to be a little more soulful and we'll have 0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:55.440 a little more personality. 0:24:56.160 --> 0:25:03.200 So with with with that, uh being your hustle and 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:06.800 that tight circle, because those are the names I always see, Sponte, Thornton, 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:07.800 Lannie and all. 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:11.200 Yes, So was it a first of all? 0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:14.639 I mean, it's like six, six or seven of you 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:19.040 heavy hitters, but I know mostly background vocal background work 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:22.000 is requires three or four singers. Was it so much 0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:24.000 work to go around that you didn't feel a certain 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:28.760 way if you lost the gig or like who determines, Like, okay, 0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:34.040 for this phil Simon project, I'll see you you and 0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:35.040 and you well. 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:37.119 For Phyllis and two May was the producer, and I 0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:39.480 was a contractor, so I could call anyone I wanted, So. 0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:40.720 Of course I got first. 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:43.440 I got first dips, I could call whoever I wanted 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:46.600 and whoever I got along with whoever I thought would 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:48.520 work musically for whatever song we were doing. 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:52.080 How much yeah, how much prep time does one have 0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:55.199 as a background singing? Because I almost feeling like the 0:25:55.240 --> 0:26:01.520 prep pressure, no pressure is you're at half court and 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:04.639 you better sink this ball in or right. So have 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:07.199 you had situations where you might take a chance on 0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:09.800 a newbie I'd like to sing, and you. 0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:14.800 Know that No, no, no, and for sure no, because 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:17.720 when whoever singing with me also represents me. 0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:20.640 And I had a reputation of reputation to withhold. 0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:22.800 And so if there was somebody new, I would work 0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:25.600 with them on something else, but nothing. You know, I 0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:28.280 couldn't bring them in on a on an a teen thing. 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:29.120 I couldn't do that. 0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:32.040 But there are some how does the new jack sort 0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:34.760 of get ushered in? Well? Did you usher in the 0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:35.440 new jack? 0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:38.560 I did, and I tried to do that, but of 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.439 course during that time, people had other ideas about how 0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:43.920 they thought they should be in the business, and after 0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:44.720 a while they thought they. 0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:46.760 Knew more than the person that was bringing them in. 0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:48.720 And it's like, oh, I have to cut you off 0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:50.360 because you're not willing to learn. 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:51.360 You're not willing to learn. 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:53.720 You think you can come in with like everything out, 0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:56.680 ass out, you know, chest out, And it's like that 0:26:56.800 --> 0:26:59.359 doesn't doesn't work like that, because at the end of 0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:01.760 the day, you have to be professional, you have to sing, 0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:05.199 you have to get along with people. And then and 0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:07.760 for my work is I got a lot of referrals. 0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.080 I never had a business card or a manager I 0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:14.600 just got by on. You know, people wrote him out, 0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:17.320 so that meant a lot to me. And you know, 0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.359 you have to t MA always told me you have 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:21.920 to remember what you represent when you go out, and 0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:24.520 so I tried to instill that in the singers that 0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:25.399 I tried to bring up. 0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:32.680 Who of the clientele that I mentioned, who is the 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:36.879 fondest memory of your of everyone that you work with, 0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:37.840 who is your like? 0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:41.080 Ah? That was I always have great sessions with no doubt. 0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:45.240 Fontie Thornton, Fonzie Thornton. That's that's my That's that's my 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:45.920 ride to die. 0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:50.240 Why is he so unlike he? He is everyone's go 0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:52.760 to guy for singing. I know he had solo records, yes, 0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:57.560 Why why was he such a close banown cigar? Like 0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:58.880 he should have been a contender? 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:01.639 He do you always have to have the cigar? 0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:03.760 No? 0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:06.200 Well, okay. 0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:10.359 On the other side, well, you know the thing is 0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:12.920 everybody doesn't want to be in the front. I mean 0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:16.840 I was happy just singing background, and I was happy 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:17.560 to sing a background. 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:20.520 It just so happened we had a song out that became. 0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:24.560 Number one, and then I had to be out there. 0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:26.520 But it's not that I couldn't handle it. I mean, 0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:29.679 because that's from my church background. I can handle a crowd, 0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:32.439 I can't handle audience. But you know that wasn't my 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:34.240 goal was not to be in the front. 0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:37.280 Well okay, but in the case of Luther who started 0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:40.840 out deep in the background and naturally became a star, 0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:47.200 were there expectations for Phonzie Thornton to also following in 0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:49.600 the footsteps to Well. 0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.520 You know what, We all did sessions and then we 0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:54.280 all had opportunities to do solo records, and then if 0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:56.400 that's where it took us, then that's where we would go. 0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:58.120 But if not, we could always. 0:28:57.800 --> 0:28:58.400 Still do that. 0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:01.480 I was like, oh, well, okay, for. 0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:02.560 Me, it was another project. 0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:04.800 It was another project, and the thing was to get 0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:07.280 the projects, get the union time in, get the you 0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:11.400 know you know, yes, yeah. 0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:13.320 So can you talk about what you love about background 0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:14.600 versus being out in the front. 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:17.320 I love the support of it all. 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:22.120 I love seeing the band playing and everybody's participating, everybody's 0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:26.480 making a contribution to make something whole. You know, whether 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.680 it's Lenny Kravitz out there, whether it's the Dave Matthews band, 0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:31.680 who I absolutely adore. 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.720 It's like it's always a learning experience. I didn't have 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:36.360 to be in the front. 0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:40.280 I enjoyed participating and making something and creating something that 0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.520 the audience was gonna love, so we didn't have I 0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:43.920 didn't have to be in the front. I'd be so 0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:46.840 happy singing behind the curtain as long as I getting 0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:48.000 the same money. 0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:52.720 Talk about it, do you prefer as far as when 0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:54.160 you're doing session work in studio? 0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:58.280 Is it is it mostly separate sessions? Are you in 0:29:58.320 --> 0:29:59.280 front of the artists? 0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:03.840 Like sometimes I'll call background session or whatever and nobody's around. 0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:04.920 Just meet the producer and the. 0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:07.400 Artist doesn't have to be there. The artists doesn't have 0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:07.760 to be there. 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:10.920 Because when I was coming up, the producers knew what 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:13.320 it was supposed to be. You know, there weren't ten 0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:17.360 different people doing the sign doing ten different things. The 0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:19.800 producer knew what the parts, or the producer and the 0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:24.480 contractor because usually the contractor was also the vocal arranger. 0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:28.320 So so in my case, I would hook up. 0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:30.120 With him two Man and Reggie to see what they wanted, 0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:33.040 and you know, they get the song and you know, 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:35.680 we create some background parts and then I'd go in 0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:38.280 and teach the parts to the singers and then we 0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:40.960 you know, go on, Okay. 0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:43.800 Who was the hardest What was your hardest challenge as 0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:48.520 a background singer as far as someone that you know 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:53.719 is a hard task masker or songs that you had 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:55.640 to go over and over and over, take after take 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:56.960 after James Brown. 0:30:57.240 --> 0:30:59.400 Well, that for me, that didn't. 0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:01.240 The only time time that happened was when I was 0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:04.440 doing the Songwriters Hall of Fame and we had, you know, 0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:07.160 there might be ten people on the show, you know, 0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:09.120 so we're we're in the house band, so we have 0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:12.040 to learn all these background parts for everybody, right, and 0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:15.080 then it's almost over and Barry Manilow comes in. 0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:17.080 Someone has expectations and he. 0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:20.720 Has a seventeen page intro. 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.560 You know, he's got we got seventeen pages of music 0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:27.200 for his his his opening, and it's like, oh man, 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:28.440 it's and it's tomorrow. 0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:29.800 The performance is tomorrow. 0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:33.680 You read on site, no, okay, what that mean? 0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:35.440 Say music? 0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:38.720 People put I don't read, but I could spell because 0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:41.680 because I used to do jingles, a lot of jingles, 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:43.520 and people would always tell me, you know, you have 0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:45.640 to know how to read to do these jingles. And 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:48.080 then it's like what and the thing is if the 0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:50.400 thing is only sixty seconds long. If I can't remember 0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:52.960 something that's sixty seconds long, then I shouldn't even be here. 0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:57.160 So you know, my parent, I'm sorry, mom My dad 0:31:57.200 --> 0:31:57.720 lies to me. 0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:01.800 No, he was like, you know, real musicians and you know, 0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:05.520 you got to learn to read and d d and 0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:08.200 I'm in the case of Quincy Jones, he would also say, like, 0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:10.640 it helps to read and put something in front of you, 0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:14.800 But I always felt that those who read didn't something. 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.640 Something was missing and it was and it was never 0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:20.480 whatever they wrote was it was they We never ended 0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:22.760 up singing what was on the paper you put your 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.600 never never because it's like it's too sterile. And you know, 0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:28.680 some people's like, well you you can't change any of 0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:30.880 my music. It's like, well, okay, we'll sing it, but 0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:32.000 it's not gonna sound right. 0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:34.400 So the option is to demo or to read it, right? 0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:36.000 Is that what you're saying, Like, either you can hear 0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:37.120 a demo or you have to read it. 0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:38.240 You should be able to do both. 0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:40.680 But the thing is some people who just read, you know, 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:42.040 some people read fly Doo doo. 0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:42.920 You know what I'm saying. 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:46.959 But it's like, yeah, I almost feel like I was 0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:49.920 as a youngster, I was told like, you won't make 0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:50.920 it unless you read, Like. 0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:54.560 At least it's good to know. But I haven't had to. 0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:58.960 Use it rummers for no reason at all. Yeah, but 0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:00.800 if you're if you're reading, you're listening. I feel like 0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:02.400 that's the big thing. It's like if you're too focused 0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:03.920 on reading the piece of music. Because I can read 0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:09.160 music and I. 0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:08.680 And I suck as a musician. 0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:13.440 Was terrible hears because I didn't. I didn't grow up 0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:14.959 as a person who listened to things. I grew up 0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:16.600 like it was visual with me, Like I saw the 0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:18.320 notes on the page and that's what. So now when 0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:21.680 people are like, what quarters that, I'm like, nope, nope, he. 0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:27.240 Has a non reader. I'm programmed to absorb like long phrases. 0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:28.400 Yes, that's what you're great at. 0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:31.040 Yeah, I'm not, thank you, just not. 0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:33.120 This is my confession. 0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:42.280 I admitted, so of your what what were some notable 0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:45.160 jingles that you've done that we might know, Oh. 0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:53.480 Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, when the airlines had individual songs? 0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:56.640 No, no way, that's too early, right No, no, no 0:33:56.880 --> 0:33:59.720 to that was you No, no, no, that was. 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:02.719 Was mostly group stuff, you know, but Burger King. I 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:06.560 did have a like a solo, okay. And then but 0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:10.560 my first foray intol like loving jingles, was hearing Philisheim 0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:11.520 and singing. 0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:16.440 A Burger King commercially, she said, and she was singing. 0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:18.480 It was like ooh that hot and sizzling bacon. It 0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:21.160 was a bacon cheeseburger. It was she did a jazz 0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:22.920 you know what I'm talking about. 0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:24.040 It was for mc d l T. 0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:28.560 I think it was Burger King. I remember it was 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:29.160 a fast food. 0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:33.279 I remember, okay, okay, I remember thinking about the invested. 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:35.880 McDonald was. 0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:55.719 My favorite favorite commercial, straight up all facts. 0:34:57.920 --> 0:34:59.120 I got moonlight in my head. 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:00.759 That was. 0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:04.759 By day. 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:10.160 So I would take it that you're one of those 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:16.560 singers that you know that you can dissect within four 0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:21.080 seconds even someone's speaking voice, if if they could sing 0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:24.640 or not sing, like just based on or that. 0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:27.320 Who are your who are your idols? 0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:30.440 As far as not favorites, like oh I love this record, 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:35.000 but as far as singing, like who is your You're 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:36.040 Michael Jordan. 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:40.920 You're you know Michael Jordan's singing would be any of 0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:41.960 the Clark sisters. 0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.840 Oh wow, okay, any of the Clark sisters. 0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:47.080 Yeah, I just saw my first Clark Sisters show like 0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:47.799 two weeks ago. 0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:49.000 Man, did you enjoy it? 0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:54.279 Snoop brought them out, Yeah, gospel in essence and it 0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:55.000 was amazing. 0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:57.480 You gotta played a dance record in you'll mix sometimes. 0:35:57.320 --> 0:35:58.560 So yeah, all right. 0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:01.839 Besides the Clark Sisters, I like the Clark Sisters. I 0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:07.520 like DJ Rogers, Yeah, remember yeah, DJ Rogers I like 0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:11.040 And these are like not not like the famous famous people, uh, 0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:12.360 but they're famous anyway. 0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:15.040 Let's say DJ Rogers Karen Clark. 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:21.200 I like all younger woman mis letusy, miss lettus. 0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:24.120 She's a she's a real she's she's good, She's really 0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:24.560 really good. 0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:30.000 It is easy for her. That's that's the talent. 0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:32.839 But I also like. 0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:38.760 Richard Smallwood even though I you know, I went to school, 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.279 I went to school with him. But he's just such 0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:44.160 a talented singer. But he doesn't sing as much as 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:45.839 you know. You hear his songs, but you don't hear 0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:48.719 him singing that much. But he's a great singer. I 0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:54.239 also love I love Marvin Marvin Gaye nineteen seventy five. 0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:57.720 I want you any cut on that album. It's just amazing. 0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:00.000 I like Leon Ware, which is like almost the same, 0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:06.040 the same thing. Yeah, and who else love Little Jimmy Scott, 0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:14.040 A Sarabon, Doug, Jene Krn, Jeane Karn. But the jazzy stuff, 0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:17.600 the jazz stuff with Doug and Doug and Jean Doug and. 0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:23.160 Jane Karn and uh oh yeah, so how how how 0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:27.320 influential is I know that you were committed to gospel 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:32.600 and yeah, but uh, as far as jazz is. 0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:35.839 Concerned, how how influential is that? 0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:41.200 And oh no, no, no, no, no, no, it's it 0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:43.520 all depends on if it's somebody that I like, It 0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:46.760 doesn't matter what they're singing. Uh. It could be jazz, 0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:48.840 it could be it could be country, it could be anything. 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:52.400 So I listened to a lot of music all the time. 0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:53.160 That's all I did. 0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:55.320 Read books and listen listen to the radio. 0:37:55.800 --> 0:37:58.120 So whether it was W A B C or W 0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:01.080 in New York or cousin Russie, or whether it was 0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:05.279 a W any W which played like Frank Sinatra and 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:10.840 you know it was the guy uh. 0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.840 I left my Tony Bennett. You know, I listened to 0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:13.279 all of that. 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:16.480 So I would incorporate all of that into what I 0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:18.920 was trying to do. So I took a little bit 0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:21.440 from everybody and you didn't try to and just made 0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:22.160 my own gumbo. 0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:32.720 So what was the proposition to join, uh the into 0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:36.080 may Bind When you guys first started, I think my 0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:40.400 I don't know if it wasn't In Search of Rainbow. 0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:43.120 It was the eighty album that came out in nineteen eighty. 0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:44.120 You guys were on Soul Train. 0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:48.279 Yeah, so. 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:52.640 I wasn't doing anything else. 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:55.920 I needed something to do and if I could make 0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:58.280 a few coins, you know, and if I could support 0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:01.680 myself and doing this something that I realized that I loved. 0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:04.080 You know, It's like, well, then this is what I 0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:07.120 should be doing, you know, and just luckily. I mean, 0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:09.279 but I you know, you know, your parents always tell 0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:10.880 you you have to have something to fall back on. 0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:12.200 That's why you went to school. 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.319 But you know, by the time I needed to fall 0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:17.640 back on something, it was way too late for me 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:20.480 to be teaching. So I mean then I just went 0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:23.000 to the next adventure I call adventure in my life. 0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:26.360 So either it was singing background, it was doing jingles, 0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:29.720 It was going on tour with Brian Ferry and Roxy Music, 0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:31.680 which was the first time I went out of the country. 0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:34.200 It's like I'm a girl from New York. You know. 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:38.319 When I checked into my room in England, it's like 0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:39.600 I thought I had Brian's room. 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:41.239 The room was so big. I mean, I didn't know. 0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:42.000 I didn't know. 0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:45.200 I'm just the lowly background singer. So it's like, you know, 0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:48.840 it's an adventure. My life has been an adventure, and 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.560 every group that I've worked with it it's taken me 0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:53.320 to bigger and better places. 0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:57.319 So we've had James and to me on the on 0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:02.080 the show. Yeah, previously, yeah, I always. I know that 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:05.200 you also work with Reggie Lucas, his writing partner. Can 0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:08.200 you describe, you know, because I don't know what was 0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:09.200 Reggie like to work with. 0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:12.120 As far as Reggie, we called Reggie Lucas. We gave 0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:15.560 everybody a name. We called Reggie Edgy Edgie Lucas. He 0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.279 was constantly like twirling his hair trying to get get 0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:21.960 stuff done, you know, twirling his his frog, trying to 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:22.520 get stuff done. 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:24.520 He played the guitar and was like, why is it 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:26.840 so loud, Reggie, why are you playing it so loud? 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:28.560 You know, it's like the guitar. 0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:30.440 But you know, but then I realized he was definitely 0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:34.560 one ear. I didn't know, so why didn't know, didn't know, 0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:37.160 didn't know. But Reggie was cool and he and them 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:40.520 too may they worked well together. So and I was 0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:43.680 just there. I was there for every single session. It 0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:45.200 was so new to me. I would sit on the 0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:49.000 sofa at Sigma Sound while they were tracking every song 0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:51.359 that they had written, and it's like, oh my god, 0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:54.280 I can't believe I'm sitting here watching this stuff being created, 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.120 and then for years later for it to still stand. 0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:00.200 You know, that's that's you know, that's. 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:04.799 You were there for, like the beginnings of Closer. Yeah, 0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:06.200 you know, you describe it. 0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:08.440 You know, how to love me because I used to 0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:11.200 sing the reference I sing the reference vocals for each 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:14.840 artist that they produced, so you know, I was pretending like, Okay, 0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:16.640 you know I'm not gonna be in the front, but 0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:18.560 this is going to be my chance to pretend I'm 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:19.000 at the front. 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:21.560 So I sing my little song, sing for Stephanie, sing 0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:23.600 for Phyllis. You know, it was it was great. 0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:27.319 He told us that one of his artists followed her 0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:32.719 to the t uh, that that she demoed the song, 0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:36.920 and that uh they were they were so impressed with 0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:37.640 your performance. 0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:43.120 I was. It wasn't Phyllis, it wasn't forget the song. 0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:45.759 Oh it's too hard. 0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:48.480 Stephanie and Stephanie and I sang two Hearts because we 0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:50.840 had to, you know, put the song down for Teddy 0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:53.279 to hear, and so Stephanie and I went in and 0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:54.520 sang two hearts. 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:57.160 And it was like you were, yeah, well I wrote 0:41:57.200 --> 0:41:57.600 that song. 0:41:58.280 --> 0:41:58.520 Yeah. 0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:00.520 So it's like, you know, I'm singing. 0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:03.719 At first, I sang the whole thing, and then they 0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:09.080 decided to make it a duet, you know. And then 0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:10.839 because Teddy was like a you're gonna do this duet 0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:13.400 with Teddy and and Stephanie. So it's like, okay, now 0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:15.520 let's do the reference vocals. So Stephanie and I went 0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:17.719 in and sang, and it was the battle Royale. 0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:19.319 I loved it. 0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:21.480 I loved it, and I have so much respect for 0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:24.680 her because it was like, okay, two little girls, two 0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:28.160 short girls, two munchkins at the mic, and it's like dump, 0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:30.080 it's getting higher and higher and high, and it's getting 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:31.080 more intense and more intense. 0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:32.319 It's like, oh, it was. 0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:36.799 A heavyweight beout, and it's like yes, but but we 0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:39.160 both wanted it was like much respect because people don't 0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:41.960 do that anymore. It was, it was great, and nobody 0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:45.280 can find the tape. 0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:47.680 Nobody can find the tape. It's like, where is the tape? 0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:48.480 Was? 0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:51.440 Casey might just need to have you to re recorded. 0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:55.640 I'm down for that because Stephanie's my girl. Oh Stephane, 0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:56.000 my girl. 0:42:56.480 --> 0:42:57.400 Supreme compilations. 0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:04.400 Look, Stephanie Mills and Philip Hymon, the big ups to 0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:07.720 them because they were the most amazing people on stage. 0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:11.560 They gave great performances and it's Stephanie still doing it. 0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:17.480 So with Well, now now you got confused. No no, no, no, well, 0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:21.520 because the thing is is that only in movies I 0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:25.960 see people recording tandem, like at the same time. Oh yeah, 0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:28.279 And I always say to myself, oh, I'd never do that. 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.000 I have them do it separate. But then I'm like, 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:31.080 wait a minute. 0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:33.080 You get the vibe from the other person, you get 0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:34.839 the vibe from the other person, You gotta you gotta 0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:35.919 have somebody standing there. 0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:37.560 They gotta be singing. 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:42.200 So y'all always like I do stuff alone. 0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:44.760 Imagine it sounds like in my head. 0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:47.720 Because we'd be tracking the songs and I'd be singing 0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:49.799 and singing. The reference while the band is playing, and 0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:51.560 I do always come up with here comes the bridge, 0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:53.560 so they know when the bridge was coming in, you know, 0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:58.360 like yeah, So I mean I love singing with singing 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:00.640 off of somebody. I mean, you know, you gotta, you know, 0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:02.160 you gotta have something to bounce off of. 0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:07.360 Who's your other favorite bouncer outside of Stephanie most Worthy? 0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:11.920 She's most most Worthy? I love her. Let's say Luther 0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:15.000 Luthor Luther. 0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:17.080 What's it like working with Luther? 0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:21.800 Because I there's there's there's only one clip on YouTube 0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:26.719 of which he's teaching his background singers different parts, Like 0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:31.040 I think that Adeley had a camera running and this 0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:35.239 during the maybe the night I felt loved people, it 0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:37.719 was like yeah, I felt like two hands were on 0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:39.480 the on the camera. 0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:46.160 Like the thing front. But it was it was amazing 0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:46.760 to watch. 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:50.839 But then I don't know with I mean, musicians are 0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:51.960 intimidating enough. 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:55.040 How Luther was a he was for real, like even 0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:56.440 we have Michael was Michael Brown. 0:44:57.000 --> 0:45:05.759 Yeah, he was saying like the engineer yeah on the show. 0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:11.799 So yeah, like. 0:45:13.239 --> 0:45:18.279 Was he is level of perfection, which is something that 0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:19.840 I don't think even exists today. 0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:22.760 It's almost like you're one and done. But it was supreme. 0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:25.560 It was supreme, and everybody came in knowing that it 0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:27.640 was going to be you know, it's going to be 0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:29.959 some next level stuff, you know, But. 0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:30.600 Is it hard? 0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:36.680 Is it hard when someone graduates to that next level 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:40.440 and then they have to because I'm certain that no 0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:43.080 one starts off with demands and I want it done 0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:47.080 the right way. And but is it different relating to 0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:51.560 someone when they're on a certain level and then they 0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:55.200 graduate to a next level and then. 0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:58.000 Well, well you know what. 0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:00.680 We were there to see that, and it was like 0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:01.800 we were all growing. 0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:02.600 I'm just part. 0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:04.839 I'm just happy to be happy to have been a 0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:08.040 part of that family because we are all still close 0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:11.080 to this day of those who are left. But Luther 0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:14.480 had high expectations, but then so did I Cause it's like, 0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:17.040 I'm coming in, I'm going to give you like two 0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:19.560 hundred percent because you know, I know I can bring it, 0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:22.279 So challenge me to do what you want and to 0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:24.600 give you the sound that you want. And Luther knew 0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:28.200 exactly what each person could do and could not do, 0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:31.279 and so it's like, okay, ta Watha, do you want 0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:33.160 to sing first? You want to sing second? I like 0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:35.680 to sing second, because I like to push push the soprano, 0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:40.919 so so Cissy, Miss Cissy Houston would be singing the top, 0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:44.160 I'm singing under her. Then we'd have Oh my god, 0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:48.320 who Cindy. Cindy came in later, Cindy and then Lisa 0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:50.919 came in later. As a matter as a matter of fact, 0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:52.960 Lisa replaced me because Juicy Food did come out and 0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:56.959 I had to go, So Lisa and then oh my god. 0:46:57.080 --> 0:47:00.880 It's like it the level of expertstation was high. But 0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:04.600 we all came in there knowing that, you know, we 0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:08.160 were special to be there because he selected us to sing. 0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:10.120 Did you ever tour with him as well? Or just 0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:11.319 I did? 0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.000 I did the first couple of tours with with Luther. 0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:15.640 As a matter of fact, there's a clip of us 0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:19.080 on Saturday Night Live. We have on friends jumpsuits. 0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:23.880 Okay, yeah, yeah. 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:24.359 So was his? 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:27.960 Was his stage presentation? Like I I think by the 0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:33.880 time after Busybody, No, No, No, the NFL. 0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:36.520 In Love always for oh, after the album, After. 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:38.520 The NFL in Love was next, you know, after that's 0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:41.520 when I first seen him. Then his presentation on the 0:47:41.560 --> 0:47:44.560 next level the ball and everything. Did you guys have 0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:46.120 to go through that rigorous like. 0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:50.440 Well by then, also, let me tell you this about Luther. Luther. 0:47:51.080 --> 0:47:55.120 Uh, I wanted to audition to be in Luther's group. 0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:57.520 So this is when I had met him where I'd 0:47:57.560 --> 0:47:59.640 called him for some sessions and he said, you know, 0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:03.440 you know, looking for some people. I called his manager 0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:07.120 and he says, no, it wasn't say his name is 0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:11.719 David Cravat, And he said, well, how tall are you? 0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:14.480 And it's like, what difference does that make? He said, well, 0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:17.680 Luther has a height requirement. So I couldn't sing on 0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:22.080 stage with Luther by the at that time, because he 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:24.000 would have four people on stage, but you know, they 0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:24.879 would all they would all. 0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:27.080 Be tall, and they'd have to look a certain. 0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:28.719 Way because you know he's going to have like the 0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:30.080 ball downs and stuff, you know. 0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:32.120 But then he also had a set of singers in. 0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:34.600 The pit, right, so I'd be in the pit, sitting 0:48:34.600 --> 0:48:39.480 on the stool, still looking fabulous. But you know, in 0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:41.560 the pit, are you still dressed to the nines like 0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:43.439 the ones that are on the stage. Well, we didn't 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:45.759 have ballgowns on, but we had fabulous suits on. You know, 0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:49.480 just that was a requirement and you know, and every 0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:51.680 night after each show, you know, because he'd had those 0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:55.160 like the crystals on the stone on the ball gowns, 0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:57.560 they'd come up and sweep the stage to get the. 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:00.600 Crystals that falling off. 0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:09.680 Too much much, It's just much so glitters you got 0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:11.080 to sweet and put back on. 0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:18.160 So speaking of juicy fruit, yes, now, I mean no, 0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:21.920 one can never plan on lightning strike and. 0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:24.759 And told me unprepared. 0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:28.319 So at the time when you were recording it, it 0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:33.000 was just like, all right, another song for as you 0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:34.480 just did it as an after thought. 0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:35.040 Not really. 0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:37.400 I was out on tour where Brian Ferry Roxy Music 0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:39.919 in Europe once again, and then you May called and said, 0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:41.640 I got one more song for the album. 0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:44.600 You got to come back do this song. Came back. 0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:46.799 Did the song. It's like and did he tell you 0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:49.680 about the candy kisses? 0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:50.759 Oh? 0:49:50.840 --> 0:49:51.720 No, not the lyrics. 0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:53.759 So this is about the recording. Oh he didn't tell 0:49:53.760 --> 0:50:00.839 you about it? Tellas is my confession. Okay, So uh, 0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:03.319 and two May wanted to try something different. He said, 0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:05.000 I got this brilliant idea of we're going to sing 0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:10.240 this dry. It's like two May sing it dry, you know. Okay, 0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:11.920 let's try it. It's like that. 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:14.080 It was terrible and to him singing it dry meaning 0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:16.640 no nothing. 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:18.680 Just like you're singing into it like an empty pit, 0:50:19.239 --> 0:50:22.240 and it's like I can't feel anything because there's no reverb. 0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:24.240 It's no, the sound is not bouncing off of anything. 0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:26.879 But just try it if that had come out. 0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:31.879 So there's an initial version take where well we we. 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:34.560 I finally came up with a compromise. I said, let's 0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:36.359 put the reverb on it while I'm singing, and then 0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:37.640 you can take it off when you do it the 0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:40.000 mix right, And that's what he did. Oh, because it 0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:43.239 was like this is not gonna work. The dryness, it 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:47.120 doesn't work with the voice, so that I need to 0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:47.440 have it. 0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:47.799 Yes. 0:50:48.160 --> 0:50:50.640 I always wanted to know, Like I meant, you know, 0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:54.799 mostly work with rappers, so you know the monitor man 0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:58.480 isn't no no, no, I mean you would think that 0:50:59.040 --> 0:51:01.719 rappers are hard on my they're hard on manageorment with 0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:02.920 having their volume up. 0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:05.920 Yeah, my heads right. 0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:08.960 But you know it's only when I work with singers, 0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:11.480 you know, they'll use like I wet my voice. 0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:13.800 A little bit, could I have a little reverb? Please? 0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:15.080 And I never knew. 0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:17.680 I was like, oh, okay, because I don't want effects 0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:21.200 on but that helps you get into a. 0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:21.520 Mind frame up. 0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:23.000 Yes, exactly, I see. 0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:25.920 So when it came out, at what point did you 0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:29.560 realize like, holy crap, this is this is something. 0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:32.319 Well, when Juicy came out, I was still on tour. 0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:35.080 I was on tour with Roxy Music for like six 0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:38.719 months and the record, the record came out here in 0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:41.240 the state, and so I would call home to see 0:51:41.760 --> 0:51:43.560 how it was doing. You said, oh, well, it's like 0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:47.480 number like eighty, you know, and then it was like sixty, 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:50.399 and then you know, twenty, then ten. 0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:52.440 Then he said, you know, gonna believe this, think it's 0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:53.000 number one. 0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:57.400 And the record became number one the week we Roxy 0:51:57.520 --> 0:52:00.120 Music came to New York City and performed it at 0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:04.560 uh Radio City Music Hall, and they played it during 0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:07.960 the you know, during the intermission they and they played it. 0:52:08.160 --> 0:52:09.680 They played it so many times and too they said, 0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:11.480 woll you please have them stop? 0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:13.480 Yeah. 0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:15.840 So, I mean, you know, I was working while that 0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:17.400 was happening, so I didn't have to sit home and 0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:19.680 worry about it, because if I was at home, I'd 0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:22.359 be worried about the record, how the record was doing. 0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:27.359 Since you guys weren't not a traditional band, But how 0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:29.960 is it able to even rise? I mean, besides the 0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:32.279 word and mouth of it all on the video, you'll 0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:36.000 weren't touring, Yeah, if you weren't actively like well. 0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:37.719 This was when the when the record first came out, 0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:40.560 and then after it was like number one for like 0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:42.799 eight weeks, it's like, well, we got to we got 0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:45.120 to get together and go out and play for the people, 0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:45.920 and that's what we did. 0:52:47.080 --> 0:52:49.560 That's what we did. But that that was the people's record. 0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:51.880 Juicy was the people's record because the record company was 0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:53.279 not behind that at all. 0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:57.040 Yeah, he said the same thing at all. I believe that. 0:52:57.239 --> 0:52:58.759 Yeah, well I believe. 0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:03.120 That it that he was writing you were singing the 0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:03.759 first verse. 0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:07.440 Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. He likes that. He likes that. 0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:09.759 He likes that pressure because it's like, look, I'm here 0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:13.400 for two days, okay, so let's let's do this, you know, 0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:14.319 I mean for. 0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:16.000 Two days, let's have a whole album completed. 0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:18.560 Well, no, no, it was just it was the last song. 0:53:18.680 --> 0:53:20.920 It was the last song, and then we had you know, 0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:23.400 Freddie Jackson sang on Juicy Fruit. It was one of 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:28.040 his first sessions. Yeah, he was on the best discover 0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:31.080 discovery must have because it's like, I don't know why 0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:31.759 else he would be. 0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:36.680 Yeah, he was, yeah before after the Mystic Marlin records. 0:53:37.600 --> 0:53:40.280 Oh, I think this was before. This was before. 0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:45.919 Wow, I did not know that. 0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:48.080 I have a really this is a frivolous question, but 0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:50.080 I just have to know. It's like old eighties gossip. 0:53:50.640 --> 0:53:52.960 Do you know if Freddy Jackson and Luther Van Draws 0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:53.680 really got along? 0:53:54.760 --> 0:53:58.120 Well, you know what I saw them at astron Assumption 0:53:58.280 --> 0:54:01.399 had an a picnic every year at the fourth of July, 0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:02.440 White white picnic. 0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:03.960 And they were there and they were just talking. 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:08.480 I mean it was I didn't see any animosity, but 0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:14.560 you know that's that's I don't know what, but you 0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:16.399 know what, that was two different lanes. That was two 0:54:16.400 --> 0:54:18.399 different lanes. That was you know, that wasn't the same. 0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:20.000 They're very big presence, both of them. 0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:22.440 Yes, yes, I see. 0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:27.359 Okay, Now due to your strong gospel convictions. 0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:32.560 Look, I was putting punishment for Juicy Food. 0:54:34.760 --> 0:54:42.080 If I was putting punishment for owning that record, how how. 0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:47.440 Must have must into I progressed. 0:54:48.239 --> 0:54:54.360 My thinking was more progressive changed, I mean. 0:54:53.920 --> 0:55:00.520 He was, but that was the album. Later they I took. 0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:04.880 My thinking. You know, I read a little more and 0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:06.440 it became a little more knowledgeable. 0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:12.239 Progress mister Wata was out there in the world. 0:55:14.920 --> 0:55:17.600 I'll say that I wasn't as sheltered. Let me put 0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:19.319 it on that rock. 0:55:19.400 --> 0:55:26.120 Music for six months, but King it was King Music 0:55:26.239 --> 0:55:30.359 and Adrian Blue really and I didn't know who anybody was. 0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:37.080 Well. See that's that level background singing in the second. 0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:41.600 But the thing is is that with with Juicy Fruit. 0:55:41.960 --> 0:55:45.680 See, the thing is, Prince is a cult artist with 0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:50.240 his own cult following. So it's almost like Prince became 0:55:51.560 --> 0:55:57.480 famous kind of an alternative land, whereas Juicy Fruit was 0:55:57.520 --> 0:56:02.480 such a straight ahead mainstream song that really really pushed 0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:05.560 the envelope. I mean minus I mean the double one 0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:07.080 time dres is like super obvious. 0:56:07.680 --> 0:56:10.360 So were you. 0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:18.080 I had no problem singing that song, I I. 0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:21.680 I was. 0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:24.440 I was just happy to be singing. I was happy 0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:26.600 to be singing. That was happy. But that the group, 0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:29.120 that the band was doing something. So it's like I'm 0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:31.719 just I'm happy to be singing. I'm on the road 0:56:32.360 --> 0:56:35.680 back with my band. It's like I'm cool. It's like whatever, whatever. 0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:40.120 Now the question that I really have is since you're 0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:43.960 such a stickler for perfection, vocal perfection. 0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:48.640 Let's let's go ten years later in nineteen ninety four. Now, 0:56:51.760 --> 0:57:00.720 come on a man dream. You know you hate Total 0:57:00.920 --> 0:57:07.319 slan Yes, background on Juicy, that's Total? Oh yeah, okay? 0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:08.759 Is that who that was? 0:57:10.480 --> 0:57:11.080 Do you know? 0:57:11.320 --> 0:57:13.279 I tried to find out who was singing that, and 0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:16.040 I could never find out because I never I never 0:57:16.160 --> 0:57:18.920 saw the credit because see, I'm like, I'm one of 0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:20.280 those people. If I sing on it, I want to 0:57:20.280 --> 0:57:22.240 see my name on it. You know, I'm the credits. 0:57:22.280 --> 0:57:27.000 But I never saw that, and I inquired Basic based. 0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:31.240 Some of those background vocals Ground not Toyo's BIG's Juicy 0:57:31.280 --> 0:57:33.520 were saying by Total, I did you know that? 0:57:34.400 --> 0:57:36.120 I know it's a different I don't understand. 0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:37.720 Well, I think that's wonderful. 0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:43.200 Oh yes, but let me. 0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:49.160 No. 0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:52.720 But this is the thing. Though I analyzed it, and 0:57:53.320 --> 0:57:55.080 all right, me and Boss Bill's. 0:57:56.440 --> 0:58:00.440 Battle, it's probably second only to post nineteen eighty eight 0:58:00.480 --> 0:58:01.760 Prince material. 0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:04.600 As far as our war is a concern, who's on 0:58:04.640 --> 0:58:05.120 what side? 0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:05.480 Total? 0:58:05.600 --> 0:58:10.440 I like Total, but fur the Total album the second one. 0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:13.160 I didn't said I didn't like Total, but this. 0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:19.280 Is the thing I figured Steve fig total cereal. 0:58:21.960 --> 0:58:27.880 It was coming. I don't. But what I'm saying is that. 0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:36.480 And and analyzing that song years later, I think the 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:43.120 regularness of their back they sounded like they sound like. 0:58:42.200 --> 0:58:45.600 Totally right, and I think that's what worked. I think 0:58:45.680 --> 0:58:49.280 that's what that was like. 0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:50.960 In my mind about to play it, but you're not right. 0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:56.080 No, I'm in no you. 0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:58.120 Play if you won't mean I'm just saying. 0:58:58.000 --> 0:59:00.640 Did you sound like did you feel a certain way 0:59:00.640 --> 0:59:02.000 about like kind of pitch? 0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:02.440 Well? 0:59:02.440 --> 0:59:05.360 You know what I thought. First of all, it's like, 0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:07.960 why didn't they ask us to do it? That was 0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:11.160 my first question. But then it's like, okay, it's it's 0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:13.920 a different time. It's like so many years later, it's 0:59:13.920 --> 0:59:14.800 the next generation. 0:59:15.720 --> 0:59:17.160 Just to jump in. A lot of times people think 0:59:17.200 --> 0:59:18.040 you're gonna say. 0:59:17.840 --> 0:59:21.680 No, yes, Well nobody asked, all right. 0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:22.880 This is this is how we connected. 0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:25.920 Because once I realized, I mean, I've seen you a 0:59:26.000 --> 0:59:28.400 billion times in the thirty Rock building sing on other people, 0:59:29.000 --> 0:59:31.200 and every time I didn't know that was you. 0:59:31.600 --> 0:59:34.960 And then once you came in with Lenny Kravitz, You're like, 0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:37.080 why are we working together? Even? 0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:39.360 And then in my mind I was just like she 0:59:39.480 --> 0:59:42.880 knows one of us, Like, wait, you've heard of me too. 0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:45.680 It was like, wait, you come down to my level 0:59:45.680 --> 0:59:48.200 to work for me, Like, yes, why would you ever 0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:51.360 want to work with I think, Yeah, in our minds, 0:59:51.400 --> 1:00:02.920 it's just like, I mean, you replaced Billy. Don't think no, 1:00:02.920 --> 1:00:06.120 now I know. And that's the thing, like I think 1:00:06.280 --> 1:00:09.760 most of the time, like in my mind, yes, of 1:00:09.800 --> 1:00:13.720 all the things that's iconic about Juicy Juicy is what 1:00:13.960 --> 1:00:17.240 finally dislidged Billy Jean from the number one slot on 1:00:17.360 --> 1:00:20.400 that black music. So my mind is just like, I 1:00:20.440 --> 1:00:25.440 think you're above that. So I don't think it occurred 1:00:25.440 --> 1:00:26.000 to anyone. 1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:29.120 I don't Oh, well, nobody asks. 1:00:29.440 --> 1:00:31.280 Get a DeLorean. I want to hear that sounds like. 1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:37.840 Oh nobody asked about that. And I said, I think 1:00:37.880 --> 1:00:39.400 I too. May said they wanted us to be in. 1:00:39.400 --> 1:00:40.720 The video, but it's like. 1:00:42.520 --> 1:00:45.320 Video on the boat and it's like no, it's like, no, 1:00:46.320 --> 1:00:47.480 two old people with all the. 1:00:47.960 --> 1:00:49.280 Young the youngsters out there. 1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:54.280 I'd rather I'd rather sing, you know, but I'd rather 1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:57.280 I did not know who was singing on that, And 1:00:57.360 --> 1:01:00.400 I just know it was just so different from I 1:01:00.440 --> 1:01:06.240 think what we would have done. 1:01:04.040 --> 1:01:09.680 So different yeah, I think. Uh so, did you guys 1:01:09.680 --> 1:01:12.240 tour much with with the with that album? 1:01:12.320 --> 1:01:12.360 Is? 1:01:12.720 --> 1:01:12.919 Oh? 1:01:12.960 --> 1:01:13.600 We did? We did. 1:01:14.360 --> 1:01:16.120 I think we toured a lot. 1:01:16.280 --> 1:01:19.400 But usually with accidental hits or at least unplanned hits 1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:20.000 from the label. 1:01:20.040 --> 1:01:21.959 It's like did they finally see the lights? 1:01:22.000 --> 1:01:26.120 Like okay, well, you know we toured with we opened 1:01:26.320 --> 1:01:29.160 it was a juicy fruit in between the sheets and 1:01:29.200 --> 1:01:29.880 Sexual Healing. 1:01:30.920 --> 1:01:33.680 It was Marmon, Gay Brothers and two Wow. 1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:34.840 That was the tour. 1:01:35.000 --> 1:01:37.680 That was the tour. Wow, that was the tour. 1:01:38.280 --> 1:01:41.520 And this is when when Marmon came out. 1:01:41.360 --> 1:01:42.160 And he had the roll. 1:01:43.640 --> 1:01:45.480 That yeah, that was he was stripping. 1:01:45.760 --> 1:01:46.720 He was stripping. 1:01:46.960 --> 1:01:49.800 But what was that like hindsight? 1:01:50.200 --> 1:01:54.600 You know, that's something that legendary, could never happen again. 1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:58.280 So it's like, did you appreciate that moment or was 1:01:58.320 --> 1:02:02.280 it like the show's over, I'm going on. 1:02:01.440 --> 1:02:02.040 When it when it? 1:02:02.160 --> 1:02:05.400 When it was for m too May no always always 1:02:05.400 --> 1:02:08.520 appreciated because it was like people will hear us. We 1:02:08.520 --> 1:02:12.400 were We were a really really good band and and 1:02:12.440 --> 1:02:17.240 the performances were amazing and and I just want to 1:02:17.280 --> 1:02:19.920 say that when I from working with them two May 1:02:19.920 --> 1:02:23.000 and then going to work with Luther was was interesting 1:02:23.080 --> 1:02:26.280 because with him two May, everything was improvisational everything because 1:02:26.280 --> 1:02:28.840 they're all like jazz guys up there. So we'd start 1:02:28.840 --> 1:02:30.800 out with an intro and the intro would turn into 1:02:31.120 --> 1:02:34.880 something else, and you know, and everybody's singing and whatever, 1:02:35.000 --> 1:02:36.440 so we'd have the core of the song and then 1:02:36.440 --> 1:02:39.320 it would just go someplace else. But working with other people, 1:02:39.640 --> 1:02:43.160 it was the same thing every night, and which I 1:02:43.200 --> 1:02:45.040 had to get used to. It's like, you sing the 1:02:45.080 --> 1:02:48.600 same the song the same way every night. Nobody branches 1:02:48.640 --> 1:02:51.840 out and you know, does like an interest in solo 1:02:51.960 --> 1:02:54.360 or the same solo every night. It was the same. 1:02:54.600 --> 1:02:56.880 Everything was the same. Even the dialogue was the same 1:02:56.960 --> 1:03:00.800 every night. So you know, I I prefer. 1:03:00.720 --> 1:03:03.640 Him to May because we we would stretch out you know. 1:03:04.400 --> 1:03:04.680 Nice. 1:03:05.000 --> 1:03:08.000 Yeah, so with Theater of the Mind, Oh no, no, 1:03:08.040 --> 1:03:10.560 you mean he was nice. 1:03:10.000 --> 1:03:13.360 You know, that was pushing the boundaries. 1:03:14.200 --> 1:03:17.040 So were you at that point where you guys like, okay, 1:03:17.040 --> 1:03:18.480 we're the boundary pushing. 1:03:19.760 --> 1:03:22.360 But no, it wasn't even about pushing boundaries. That's just 1:03:22.400 --> 1:03:29.520 who we were. How did the concept of that song, mister. 1:03:32.360 --> 1:03:34.680 Because you said something that I want to say. 1:03:36.440 --> 1:03:42.160 The lyrics, the lyrics shut you down, I asked him. 1:03:42.400 --> 1:03:43.720 I was like, I was like, so were you and 1:03:44.800 --> 1:03:46.880 y'all live gate man. 1:03:52.920 --> 1:03:53.040 Did? 1:03:53.920 --> 1:03:56.360 He was cool, like he was like he did like. 1:03:56.360 --> 1:03:58.320 He got a side step and then I guess he 1:03:58.400 --> 1:04:01.919 walked and we were might take the picture, asked me about 1:04:01.920 --> 1:04:03.920 to watch man it. 1:04:03.960 --> 1:04:04.720 Was about. 1:04:11.440 --> 1:04:14.560 And then wept each other up and yeah, because it 1:04:14.600 --> 1:04:15.080 got real. 1:04:15.040 --> 1:04:19.200 Quiet when you when you're like, it was like, and 1:04:19.240 --> 1:04:25.280 then about that's right. 1:04:25.800 --> 1:04:27.960 I actually thought that you guys were a husband and 1:04:27.960 --> 1:04:30.880 wife at first, based on the chemistry of the video. 1:04:30.880 --> 1:04:32.680 I thought, yeah, say something. 1:04:33.160 --> 1:04:37.720 I'm sorry those who know, those. 1:04:37.480 --> 1:04:39.880 Who say don't know exactly what. 1:04:42.720 --> 1:04:45.200 She hit out with the push your t you know, 1:04:45.400 --> 1:04:53.080 you know. 1:04:49.400 --> 1:04:53.000 A lot of people love that song. It's wrong, but 1:04:53.760 --> 1:04:57.120 we got threats and everything that. Yeah. 1:04:57.200 --> 1:05:00.720 Yeah, one guy was his wife kept playing the song 1:05:01.160 --> 1:05:02.880 like it was in the bar. She kept playing the 1:05:02.880 --> 1:05:04.840 song like on the jukebox or something, and you know, 1:05:05.120 --> 1:05:05.880 he said, you're trying. 1:05:05.760 --> 1:05:06.400 To tell me something. 1:05:07.760 --> 1:05:10.880 And then and then did somebody called, like a radio station, 1:05:10.960 --> 1:05:12.480 said don't they better not come. 1:05:12.360 --> 1:05:13.200 To the venue? 1:05:14.000 --> 1:05:17.760 Oh wow, because of that song. So they were having 1:05:17.800 --> 1:05:19.000 personal problems had nothing to. 1:05:18.960 --> 1:05:19.400 Do with us. 1:05:19.960 --> 1:05:21.800 It was like they want you to trigger. 1:05:23.800 --> 1:05:26.440 I'm just singing a song. You want to hear it? 1:05:26.480 --> 1:05:32.240 Here you go? That video came on night tracks. 1:05:32.360 --> 1:05:39.120 Was like, I'm going to be listening to that. 1:05:42.000 --> 1:05:43.960 So how well? 1:05:44.120 --> 1:05:46.720 I mean when you when you did your solo record 1:05:46.880 --> 1:05:52.720 in eighty seven, did you do it officially leaving what? 1:05:52.880 --> 1:05:53.000 No? 1:05:53.040 --> 1:05:55.840 Because they worked on the record. Was it just like okay, 1:05:55.880 --> 1:05:59.680 we'll go back to the group. But the group included after. 1:05:59.640 --> 1:06:01.440 It was it was you know what we had, We 1:06:01.480 --> 1:06:04.080 had projects. It was a it was a The Towatha 1:06:04.160 --> 1:06:06.920 record was a project. If it happened, fine, if not, 1:06:08.160 --> 1:06:10.280 more projects and the group didn't break up. 1:06:10.320 --> 1:06:12.240 We sort of just faded away, you know. 1:06:12.280 --> 1:06:12.680 There was it. 1:06:12.760 --> 1:06:16.520 The music was changing, and it's like everybody was trying 1:06:16.520 --> 1:06:17.280 to do their own thing. 1:06:17.360 --> 1:06:20.160 It was like, you know, nobody wanted the new Jack swing. 1:06:20.640 --> 1:06:23.400 No, but you know, because we had that, we had 1:06:23.440 --> 1:06:24.400 the New Jack Swing. 1:06:24.560 --> 1:06:27.720 So I mean, you know, so, okay, what I want 1:06:27.720 --> 1:06:31.120 to ask about the the stage that you're at now 1:06:31.200 --> 1:06:35.640 with your uh with your background work as far as 1:06:35.720 --> 1:06:41.520 doing uh uh live stuff. And I always wanted to 1:06:41.560 --> 1:06:45.720 know what is it with because I always noticed that 1:06:45.800 --> 1:06:50.960 the rock guys will always pick women of color to 1:06:51.000 --> 1:06:54.760 be their their background vocalists from the Stones. 1:06:56.160 --> 1:06:56.360 Yeah. 1:06:56.640 --> 1:07:03.520 Yeah, so what well they needed for that silo? 1:07:04.720 --> 1:07:08.400 That's right, had the sweets the sweet inspirations. 1:07:08.480 --> 1:07:13.600 Yeah, so where it is right now? Wait, I'm sorry, 1:07:13.720 --> 1:07:17.320 time out. Yes, Steve go Ahead asked, I totally what 1:07:17.480 --> 1:07:19.600 j Giles band? 1:07:20.280 --> 1:07:22.919 Oh that was so much fun? And I ran into 1:07:23.200 --> 1:07:26.480 oh my god, this is a guy from the group Peter. Yeah, 1:07:26.480 --> 1:07:31.840 because he was on David Letterman and It's it and 1:07:31.840 --> 1:07:35.560 and he was there performing and I was, I was 1:07:35.560 --> 1:07:37.320 there and I said, you know, I sang on that record, 1:07:37.320 --> 1:07:38.120 so I remember you. 1:07:38.200 --> 1:07:41.160 And it was like twenty years so, I mean free 1:07:41.200 --> 1:07:42.920 His frame was great. They were good. They were they 1:07:42.960 --> 1:07:44.680 were funny guys. 1:07:43.920 --> 1:07:47.000 But just that one song or a bunch of songs. 1:07:46.920 --> 1:07:49.000 You know. I did that with Luther and I think 1:07:49.160 --> 1:07:55.080 Sissy wait what yeah, check the credits. I think I 1:07:55.080 --> 1:08:01.040 think it was because it's like, that's all we got 1:08:01.040 --> 1:08:01.240 to sing. 1:08:01.280 --> 1:08:03.800 Yeah, that part get into it. 1:08:03.880 --> 1:08:10.720 Yeah, it just says you are a search engine nightmare man. 1:08:10.920 --> 1:08:14.200 Your name is spelled every type of way. Oh. 1:08:14.200 --> 1:08:15.400 I don't know if I want you looking at that. 1:08:15.400 --> 1:08:16.360 I might have notes on there. 1:08:16.600 --> 1:08:18.719 Yeah, you know, I want I want. 1:08:18.560 --> 1:08:21.040 To tell the audience that Wata got so many credits 1:08:21.040 --> 1:08:23.080 that she had to bring in the cheese because because 1:08:23.360 --> 1:08:25.280 sometimes I don't remember, it. 1:08:25.160 --> 1:08:29.880 Wasn't Centerfold on that record on centerphone, you know what. 1:08:30.080 --> 1:08:32.200 I don't remember, but I do remember free Frame. 1:08:32.200 --> 1:08:36.960 And that is so crazy, screedy POLITI each night I 1:08:37.000 --> 1:08:42.519 go to Franklin, I just remember bits and pieces of 1:08:41.600 --> 1:08:43.040 the songs. 1:08:43.200 --> 1:08:45.040 I'm not I'm not singling out. I just saw a 1:08:45.040 --> 1:08:47.240 freeze Frame. 1:08:47.320 --> 1:08:50.320 I did sing Yeah, what what? What has been your 1:08:50.360 --> 1:08:53.400 most surprising request? Like they want me on? 1:08:54.120 --> 1:08:58.440 Oh you need to work? Yes, Oh oh, I'm never surprised. 1:08:59.240 --> 1:08:59.880 Good answer. 1:08:59.920 --> 1:09:04.680 I'm never surprised because because if they if they if 1:09:04.720 --> 1:09:07.160 they seek if they seek me out, then they know 1:09:07.280 --> 1:09:09.200 what I can do and maybe I can add something 1:09:09.240 --> 1:09:10.960 to add a little flavor to what they're doing. 1:09:11.400 --> 1:09:14.080 Never trying to outshadow whoever's in the front. 1:09:14.120 --> 1:09:16.280 It's I'm just there for support, which goes back to 1:09:16.320 --> 1:09:16.800 your question. 1:09:16.960 --> 1:09:19.760 Answer your question, because the question is interesting about women 1:09:19.800 --> 1:09:21.880 of color, why fans? 1:09:22.840 --> 1:09:26.840 I forgot to ask that, Yeah, this is your show question. 1:09:28.280 --> 1:09:31.720 Body language vibe was more like, are you you'll never 1:09:31.800 --> 1:09:32.719 get to answer my question? 1:09:32.760 --> 1:09:34.639 Are you really reading Steve's body language? 1:09:34.760 --> 1:09:45.719 Seriously, just the sugar energy went down diabetic energy skip. 1:09:45.200 --> 1:09:47.519 To eighty seven and I knew freeze frame was probably 1:09:47.880 --> 1:09:49.280 eighty seven. 1:09:49.640 --> 1:09:51.640 Well yeah, freet frame was eighty one. 1:09:51.960 --> 1:09:53.200 Oh so that was before juicy. 1:09:53.720 --> 1:09:56.560 Yes, oh okay, I see that. 1:09:57.240 --> 1:09:59.080 But back to the question, yes. 1:09:59.000 --> 1:10:01.559 But so why do you think that is? 1:10:01.880 --> 1:10:04.839 And I just think we just add so much more flavor? 1:10:05.280 --> 1:10:10.240 But are there church? Are there the are there the 1:10:10.240 --> 1:10:11.400 white counterparts that. 1:10:11.600 --> 1:10:15.880 Have roads, charmers and roads? Who Al Green's background singers? 1:10:16.360 --> 1:10:19.400 They're white? Yeah? Oh that's right, let's say together. 1:10:20.720 --> 1:10:24.880 I totally forgot about How did you know that? 1:10:24.200 --> 1:10:25.680 I don't know why. 1:10:25.760 --> 1:10:28.120 I don't know. 1:10:28.840 --> 1:10:33.880 You just got the one who knows about things. 1:10:34.800 --> 1:10:35.000 You know. 1:10:35.320 --> 1:10:37.880 They're just in a documentary about them, and I was like, 1:10:37.880 --> 1:10:41.080 oh wow, they're why on Netflix? 1:10:42.200 --> 1:10:45.960 I've seen something, you know on YouTube? They these three 1:10:46.000 --> 1:10:49.240 women saying for everybody there. 1:10:49.840 --> 1:10:54.760 No roads, charmers and roads. I think that we just 1:10:55.520 --> 1:10:55.720 have a. 1:10:55.760 --> 1:10:58.759 Feeling because you know what, you didn't see these people, 1:10:59.160 --> 1:11:02.040 so I mean, and if I would read the credits, 1:11:02.120 --> 1:11:04.280 you know, I wouldn't know where they were from. 1:11:04.320 --> 1:11:07.120 Do you remember any dope white background singers or you 1:11:07.160 --> 1:11:09.880 know what? 1:11:13.439 --> 1:11:17.000 No, I know the people from Philly International, because that's you. 1:11:17.040 --> 1:11:17.920 And I used to read the line. 1:11:17.920 --> 1:11:19.360 I know it's like I want to be like these 1:11:19.400 --> 1:11:22.439 ladies right here, and and that's all I ever wanted 1:11:22.439 --> 1:11:24.960 to do was be like those ladies from Philly International. 1:11:25.439 --> 1:11:28.120 So because they sang on everything that Philly International did. 1:11:28.400 --> 1:11:30.600 What are the ladies from Philly National? Who's that? 1:11:31.080 --> 1:11:31.200 Uh? 1:11:31.640 --> 1:11:36.320 Barbara Benson? Barbara Benson because her brother went to Howard 1:11:36.360 --> 1:11:37.160 he was a drummer. 1:11:37.800 --> 1:11:38.439 Barbara Benson. 1:11:38.520 --> 1:11:41.479 She okay, I know she's on sit down and talk 1:11:41.520 --> 1:11:45.320 to me from like she's on lou Rawls and stuff. 1:11:45.320 --> 1:11:48.800 And yes, I mentioned that. 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:51.280 Oh wait, wait a minute, did you know you watch Power? 1:11:51.439 --> 1:11:54.360 Yes, now you know the theme song is its dead 1:11:54.439 --> 1:11:57.640 in Street. 1:11:57.640 --> 1:12:00.000 And that's your your voice on the background. 1:12:00.120 --> 1:12:03.320 I was no, no, no, no, no, no. 1:12:02.680 --> 1:12:05.439 That's just some trivia trivia, Okay, Okay. 1:12:05.520 --> 1:12:08.280 So I don't I don't know the ladies that sang 1:12:08.320 --> 1:12:12.360 with al Green, but I mean I know that I 1:12:12.439 --> 1:12:14.960 like the fact that the rock stars and rock artists 1:12:15.000 --> 1:12:18.880 would would call for people women of color because you know, because. 1:12:18.600 --> 1:12:23.120 It's so white. 1:12:24.400 --> 1:12:28.000 Well back in the day, like with Joe Cocker, because 1:12:28.040 --> 1:12:31.160 you know, I loved Joe Cocker with him, I did, 1:12:31.320 --> 1:12:34.600 and he was he was great up at what's the 1:12:34.640 --> 1:12:36.880 place in the Western studio? 1:12:37.160 --> 1:12:38.280 I want to say house of Music. 1:12:40.080 --> 1:12:42.360 No, house of Music. It was a studio in West Orange. 1:12:42.960 --> 1:12:44.960 Did I sing with the Joe Cocker. He was such 1:12:44.960 --> 1:12:54.560 a great guy. Loved Heineken, he loves but you know, 1:12:56.080 --> 1:12:58.680 a little help from my friends because he had he 1:12:58.760 --> 1:13:01.160 always had a mixed group. So but and I just 1:13:01.240 --> 1:13:04.519 assume that's because they were in Europe. But you know, 1:13:04.840 --> 1:13:05.240 I don't know. 1:13:05.280 --> 1:13:06.760 I'm sorry, Joe, he wasn't from here. 1:13:07.000 --> 1:13:09.519 No hes u K I did not know. 1:13:09.640 --> 1:13:13.599 Okay, Okay, you gotta be UK for that. Yeah, because 1:13:13.720 --> 1:13:15.080 because they. 1:13:15.120 --> 1:13:21.200 Level approximation is on average. White Bean is one of 1:13:21.240 --> 1:13:21.759 my favorites. 1:13:24.000 --> 1:13:32.840 Amy Stewart, Yes, yes, yes, and yeah. So I can't answer. 1:13:32.880 --> 1:13:35.400 I can't answer that. I just know that I like 1:13:35.439 --> 1:13:38.880 to see the women of color, well people of color 1:13:38.960 --> 1:13:39.759 singing background. 1:13:40.200 --> 1:13:43.400 You know that's everybody's got a lot of dudes too. 1:13:43.640 --> 1:13:45.800 Right, Yeah, because if I went out, I would want 1:13:45.800 --> 1:13:46.439 to have dudes with me. 1:13:47.120 --> 1:13:54.160 Yeah, like, let us think in the pipst. 1:13:56.080 --> 1:13:59.559 I worked with the first time last month, I was like, okay, 1:13:59.600 --> 1:14:02.640 I see yeah, Joe, oh yeah, so for. 1:14:05.760 --> 1:14:08.640 Damn, I literally just took my question. 1:14:10.880 --> 1:14:11.160 Street. 1:14:16.080 --> 1:14:18.439 That's always a good start about no, no, no, I got it. 1:14:18.520 --> 1:14:21.519 So right now with an what's your what's your current 1:14:21.600 --> 1:14:22.599 in twenty eighteen? 1:14:22.960 --> 1:14:25.600 Who are your current clientele that you that. 1:14:25.720 --> 1:14:26.280 I'm working with? 1:14:26.439 --> 1:14:29.799 Yes, oh oh no, right now, I'm just working with Tawafa. 1:14:29.840 --> 1:14:32.639 I've been doing like like I'm doing the funk Fest, 1:14:32.720 --> 1:14:37.240 coming up with Marstaying, the time Confunction, Mary Jane Girls, 1:14:37.240 --> 1:14:38.800 Evan Champagne, you. 1:14:38.720 --> 1:14:40.280 Know, like the you know, the fun thing. 1:14:40.640 --> 1:14:44.920 I'm doing that, and and I've been doing that like 1:14:44.960 --> 1:14:46.280 those those kinds of concerts. 1:14:46.320 --> 1:14:48.920 You know, what do you call it, like old school? 1:14:49.880 --> 1:14:52.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you know, ten fifteen minutes and 1:14:52.479 --> 1:14:56.360 you know, sing uh you me and he juicy fruit 1:14:56.400 --> 1:14:58.280 and then another dance piece. 1:14:58.400 --> 1:15:02.960 Oh crap wait saying that she did she didn't see 1:15:03.000 --> 1:15:03.400 you me and. 1:15:03.439 --> 1:15:06.200 He, well no, no no. But in my mind I 1:15:06.240 --> 1:15:08.720 was like, damn, we got it. I wouldn't please you. 1:15:08.880 --> 1:15:11.720 And then it just hit me that she did. She did, 1:15:13.000 --> 1:15:13.679 and it was amazing. 1:15:13.720 --> 1:15:13.920 I did. 1:15:14.000 --> 1:15:14.840 It was so much fun. 1:15:16.479 --> 1:15:18.599 You mean here, I want to fell out child. 1:15:19.600 --> 1:15:21.680 That was it and I really appreciate that. That was like, 1:15:21.960 --> 1:15:24.080 that was that was good. That was really good for me. 1:15:24.200 --> 1:15:27.120 I loved it, and and and James and was their 1:15:27.160 --> 1:15:33.719 backstage like okay, you got everything, got everything? 1:15:34.400 --> 1:15:34.880 You know where the. 1:15:34.880 --> 1:15:40.320 Bridge comes in, he takes care of his friend, stopped like. 1:15:42.200 --> 1:15:42.839 I'm sorry. 1:15:47.720 --> 1:15:51.240 Right now, not shut it down the water And I 1:15:51.280 --> 1:15:52.720 don't know why I think it was that. 1:15:52.840 --> 1:15:57.559 Look, okay, yes, the dust. 1:15:57.720 --> 1:16:01.280 Not that I'm trying to not lie he of this 1:16:01.600 --> 1:16:05.960 and ask for a scandalous story. But is there one 1:16:07.160 --> 1:16:10.240 act in the arsenal of of of work that you've 1:16:10.320 --> 1:16:13.280 done that you would never work with again? You don't 1:16:13.280 --> 1:16:13.880 have to name anything. 1:16:13.920 --> 1:16:17.720 Oh absolutely, you don't have to name a name. I'm 1:16:17.720 --> 1:16:18.639 not going to name a name. 1:16:18.720 --> 1:16:21.000 But how bad is the treatment? Because I know that 1:16:21.640 --> 1:16:23.840 sometimes background singers get. 1:16:23.760 --> 1:16:27.960 Treated like absolutely, I tell you, did you ever walk 1:16:28.000 --> 1:16:30.120 off stage? And just like I'm never. 1:16:30.000 --> 1:16:32.840 Again, No, no, because I'll you know, if I agreed 1:16:32.880 --> 1:16:34.479 to do the job, I'll do the job. But you 1:16:34.560 --> 1:16:35.679 know you always have that option. 1:16:36.120 --> 1:16:36.320 Again. 1:16:37.560 --> 1:16:42.240 There was one artist, very famous singer who was at 1:16:42.479 --> 1:16:43.160 Radio City. 1:16:43.600 --> 1:16:51.240 I already know who this is. This No, and she 1:16:51.360 --> 1:16:52.120 might be royalty. 1:16:55.120 --> 1:16:57.840 No, not that No, not not that one. There's another one. 1:16:57.880 --> 1:16:59.519 There's another one like right around in here. 1:16:59.479 --> 1:17:05.320 Who's recently recently retired, recently retired, had us come on 1:17:05.439 --> 1:17:07.640 stage the clothes we're not fitting, we had pinned in 1:17:07.720 --> 1:17:10.880 the back of our dresses. I had never in all 1:17:10.960 --> 1:17:13.000 my life had to go out on stage like that, 1:17:13.640 --> 1:17:17.320 and it was just such disrespect for the band and 1:17:17.920 --> 1:17:18.559 and everybody. 1:17:18.640 --> 1:17:22.320 It's like, no thanks, thanks, but no thanks for if 1:17:22.360 --> 1:17:23.040 you call me again. 1:17:23.840 --> 1:17:27.320 Really, I was playing to gold her show. Her show 1:17:27.560 --> 1:17:28.960 is crazy, that's all she came. 1:17:31.840 --> 1:17:34.640 But I'm not talking about the music part. Andreated the 1:17:34.720 --> 1:17:35.759 way people are treated. 1:17:35.880 --> 1:17:37.320 It's like no and not. 1:17:38.800 --> 1:17:41.400 I know, I know exactly you're talking about because I 1:17:42.120 --> 1:17:44.320 worked with this person too, and they walked out. 1:17:44.360 --> 1:17:47.600 On okay, you want to rearrange the whole stage and 1:17:48.400 --> 1:17:51.080 and just like put this here and put this there, 1:17:51.200 --> 1:17:54.200 and and it's like, oh no, I think. 1:17:55.640 --> 1:17:57.120 It takes the joy out of it for me. 1:17:57.400 --> 1:18:01.560 I think sometimes when a person is nervous, they might micromanage, 1:18:01.880 --> 1:18:05.720 and that's the way it comes out. When someone really 1:18:05.800 --> 1:18:11.920 micromanages things, like in this Chinese details on it's like, 1:18:13.040 --> 1:18:15.800 I like perfection, but really you're scared of shit fear 1:18:16.120 --> 1:18:19.040 right line, which is weird because this person is. 1:18:19.040 --> 1:18:20.599 Such a Maverick, phenomenal singer. 1:18:20.680 --> 1:18:22.720 But this person just admitted that they were scared to 1:18:22.800 --> 1:18:25.080 do certain things and now they're starting to do certain thing. 1:18:25.280 --> 1:18:26.519 I love avoid talking code. 1:18:27.080 --> 1:18:27.680 Well I. 1:18:29.280 --> 1:18:31.599 Could, I got it, but I don't know neither. 1:18:31.640 --> 1:18:33.200 I was just in make some shit up. 1:18:34.040 --> 1:18:35.080 I'm just making stuff up. 1:18:36.560 --> 1:18:39.920 Questions. Oh man, God, I'm trying to think how many questions? 1:18:40.360 --> 1:18:40.680 So much? 1:18:41.000 --> 1:18:45.040 Yeah with the ps, how did you come aboard with 1:18:45.120 --> 1:18:47.479 Dave Matthews Band? And how long has it been since 1:18:47.520 --> 1:18:48.200 you've been with those guys? 1:18:48.360 --> 1:18:53.120 Okay, I met them in like nineteen ninety nine or 1:18:53.200 --> 1:18:56.400 something like that, and they were in New York City 1:18:56.520 --> 1:18:59.240 and they were about to do They were in the 1:18:59.280 --> 1:19:02.160 studio doing a song and they wanted that. I got 1:19:02.240 --> 1:19:04.640 called from someone from the record company to come and 1:19:04.720 --> 1:19:05.360 do a session. 1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:06.640 You know what you're on? 1:19:07.720 --> 1:19:08.040 Stay? 1:19:08.680 --> 1:19:10.880 That was a song that was the song Stay, and 1:19:11.200 --> 1:19:14.760 we I was I had just been a secession with Luther. 1:19:14.920 --> 1:19:18.519 So I had my girls, Brenda White King and Cindy Myzell, 1:19:18.640 --> 1:19:21.280 said come on, let's go down to Electric Lady and 1:19:21.400 --> 1:19:24.240 did a session with Dave Matthews Band and it's this 1:19:24.400 --> 1:19:26.960 one song and so we did the one song they 1:19:27.000 --> 1:19:28.400 loved it so much. They said, we're going to be 1:19:28.479 --> 1:19:32.760 at the Meadowlands or whatever they call it now, the Meadowlands, 1:19:32.880 --> 1:19:35.160 and could you come out and sing this one song. 1:19:36.240 --> 1:19:40.640 We had a bus, okay, a bus to ourselves. It's like, 1:19:41.400 --> 1:19:43.120 where's everybody else? Oh no, this is for you. 1:19:43.560 --> 1:19:46.200 I said, we're singing one song. And then we did 1:19:46.280 --> 1:19:48.120 it like that weekend and I said, you know, we 1:19:48.200 --> 1:19:50.840 can sing more than one song, you know. And that 1:19:50.960 --> 1:19:54.200 turned into two years. Two years but wait a minute. 1:19:54.280 --> 1:19:54.879 And then. 1:19:56.840 --> 1:20:00.040 Three years ago they called me back to Watha. We 1:20:00.120 --> 1:20:01.960 still saying we want to can you get some girls 1:20:02.000 --> 1:20:03.920 and come back and do the tour. And we did 1:20:03.960 --> 1:20:06.760 two more tours with Dave Matthew's bands, and that's like 1:20:06.880 --> 1:20:11.360 the that's the the supreme, ultimate Supreme and treatment Dave 1:20:11.400 --> 1:20:12.000 Matthews band. 1:20:12.120 --> 1:20:13.200 Oh I loved them forever. 1:20:13.280 --> 1:20:14.880 I think I saw you were you on because you 1:20:14.960 --> 1:20:17.559 toured that album with the Before These Crowded Streets album. 1:20:17.600 --> 1:20:20.400 It was ninety nine. Yeah, you toured with them. I 1:20:20.479 --> 1:20:21.639 want to say I saw you guys. 1:20:21.920 --> 1:20:26.360 Y'all came to Greensboro Coliseum in Greensboro, and I saw 1:20:26.439 --> 1:20:27.040 remember the. 1:20:27.360 --> 1:20:29.639 Lovely ladies, that's what he called us the Lovely Ladies. 1:20:29.800 --> 1:20:31.000 Yeah, that was a great show. 1:20:31.080 --> 1:20:34.040 All this I like it, quotes Dave Matthews Concerts. I 1:20:34.080 --> 1:20:34.600 didn't see that. 1:20:34.760 --> 1:20:36.840 Yeah, man, I was there. I was there, and I 1:20:36.960 --> 1:20:38.559 was trying to explain because I took my little brother 1:20:38.640 --> 1:20:41.960 at the time. They loved it. He loved it. 1:20:42.040 --> 1:20:43.600 I've never been I've heard stories like. 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:50.080 Show improvising and jamming, like that's the ship and on. 1:20:50.240 --> 1:20:52.000 But you know, to me, it was like like the 1:20:52.120 --> 1:20:54.240 further extension of him too may because that's what we 1:20:54.280 --> 1:20:56.200 would do. And they they played forever. 1:20:56.400 --> 1:20:58.880 But they also they sounded amazing and everyone was nice 1:20:58.920 --> 1:21:02.559 and and everyone is That's the happiest tour I've ever 1:21:02.640 --> 1:21:05.439 been on tours because even even the crew was happy. 1:21:05.800 --> 1:21:06.400 You know what I'm saying. 1:21:06.560 --> 1:21:09.400 Everybody was just, oh, this is just wonderful just to 1:21:09.479 --> 1:21:11.479 be here because it was everybody was cool. 1:21:11.560 --> 1:21:14.120 They all stay in the nicest hotels and take everybody. 1:21:14.240 --> 1:21:15.560 Everybody's on the A team in that. 1:21:16.000 --> 1:21:16.519 This is true. 1:21:16.880 --> 1:21:18.519 There's no bees, no bees. 1:21:19.320 --> 1:21:22.320 What is the How how long you've been just touring? 1:21:22.600 --> 1:21:24.320 I guess how do you protect your voice? To take 1:21:24.360 --> 1:21:24.920 care of yourself? 1:21:25.439 --> 1:21:25.599 Oh? 1:21:25.720 --> 1:21:27.479 You know what, you have to protect your instrument. 1:21:27.640 --> 1:21:29.640 You know, you got to warm up, just like the 1:21:29.760 --> 1:21:32.560 guitar players, you know, you know they're constantly fiddling and 1:21:32.760 --> 1:21:35.120 warm you know, just playing to keep their fingers flexible. 1:21:35.280 --> 1:21:36.719 You have to do the same thing with your voice. 1:21:37.080 --> 1:21:39.200 You gotta protect it because you know what, I can't 1:21:39.520 --> 1:21:41.479 take it and put it in the case and plug 1:21:41.560 --> 1:21:43.680 it in. This is all I got, so I have 1:21:43.800 --> 1:21:45.320 to take care of it. So you'll see me in 1:21:45.360 --> 1:21:49.760 the summertime with a scarf on, and you know, even 1:21:49.800 --> 1:21:51.360 in the summer, I gotta protect my throat. 1:21:51.520 --> 1:21:53.240 Do you're like non dairy type? 1:21:53.280 --> 1:21:53.800 You go that far? 1:21:53.960 --> 1:21:56.200 Like, oh, no, ice cream is was was my first 1:21:56.280 --> 1:21:59.040 love and I used to be able to eat that 1:21:59.160 --> 1:22:01.280 and then go sing. I can't do it anymore, you know. 1:22:01.479 --> 1:22:03.120 So what's like your pre show? So like if you 1:22:03.240 --> 1:22:05.680 if they're saying, I showtime is it nine? We do 1:22:05.680 --> 1:22:08.280 on stage at nine? When do you start? Like, what's 1:22:08.320 --> 1:22:09.880 your pre show regimen? Oh? 1:22:09.960 --> 1:22:12.679 Well, you know we've been rehearsing up to I rehearse 1:22:12.760 --> 1:22:16.320 the singers, you know, we rehearse constantly, so we're always singing, 1:22:16.360 --> 1:22:19.080 so we're warmed up by the time by the by 1:22:19.120 --> 1:22:22.000 the time it's showtime. So you know, you just have 1:22:22.120 --> 1:22:25.600 to even if it's just talking, humming, but not excessive, 1:22:25.720 --> 1:22:28.000 not not anything loud. You know, you got to keep 1:22:28.040 --> 1:22:30.360 it like at a minimum and then you're ready for 1:22:30.439 --> 1:22:30.720 the show. 1:22:31.400 --> 1:22:31.800 You gotta. 1:22:32.040 --> 1:22:34.479 But you gotta practice every day, you know. You just 1:22:34.600 --> 1:22:36.719 like a horn player, you gotta you gotta constantly practice. 1:22:36.800 --> 1:22:39.439 Do you do those like classic warm up exercises that 1:22:39.520 --> 1:22:41.160 are like a lot of singers do oh yeah for 1:22:41.200 --> 1:22:43.280 the ladies, ladies that are listening. 1:22:43.520 --> 1:22:45.200 Yes, oh, I have to have to do that. 1:22:45.880 --> 1:22:46.680 You gotta warm up. 1:22:46.720 --> 1:22:48.559 Even if you just get a basic book with basic 1:22:48.680 --> 1:22:51.280 vocal exercises, you gotta do something every day just to 1:22:51.400 --> 1:22:52.400 keep keep it open. 1:22:52.439 --> 1:22:54.839 Because your voice a lockdown, it a lockdown. 1:22:56.360 --> 1:22:57.960 What's your what's your process when it comes to the 1:22:58.040 --> 1:22:59.960 arranging vocals, Like when you're in the studio with three 1:23:00.040 --> 1:23:01.639 different people, because I always find. 1:23:01.479 --> 1:23:03.120 That all of the vocalists I work with, they all 1:23:03.600 --> 1:23:05.559 it's either there's. 1:23:05.400 --> 1:23:08.439 A common language, which is like I got the bottom, 1:23:08.439 --> 1:23:09.920 you got the middle together the top right, and we 1:23:10.000 --> 1:23:11.600 all just know what that is. The top could be, 1:23:11.960 --> 1:23:13.880 but that being said, the top middle could be three 1:23:13.920 --> 1:23:15.560 different notes depending on kind of where we are the 1:23:15.640 --> 1:23:17.680 thing and also feel like people also, they'll be like 1:23:18.000 --> 1:23:21.560 they're like church at when you church it you like 1:23:21.600 --> 1:23:25.320 flat to third, you do all these there's this is 1:23:25.439 --> 1:23:28.080 common like everybody, all background singers. I know that that's 1:23:28.120 --> 1:23:30.519 how they speak. And it's awesome is that it sibol. 1:23:30.920 --> 1:23:31.519 It's the same thing. 1:23:31.600 --> 1:23:34.280 It's like if I bring if I if I'm saying 1:23:34.280 --> 1:23:36.280 I'm coming in with my girls, with Brenda and Sandy, 1:23:36.640 --> 1:23:38.200 I'm the top, Sandy's the. 1:23:38.160 --> 1:23:39.120 Middle, BRender is the bottom. 1:23:39.240 --> 1:23:42.360 Always that's always, unless unless we want and we will 1:23:42.360 --> 1:23:44.479 switch it up every now and then, you know, just 1:23:44.600 --> 1:23:48.640 for texture for texture. But uh, you know, usually if 1:23:48.680 --> 1:23:51.760 I'm at the session, I'm usually the contractor, which means 1:23:51.800 --> 1:23:53.880 I call them for the session, and which means I 1:23:54.000 --> 1:23:55.000 know what the parts are going to be. 1:23:55.520 --> 1:23:57.400 So I just teach them the parts and we just 1:23:57.520 --> 1:23:58.000 going from. 1:23:57.880 --> 1:23:58.559 It's all hard of time. 1:23:58.560 --> 1:24:00.240 You just go like piece by piece, just going yeah, 1:24:00.479 --> 1:24:01.519 oh yeah, and it's feel easy. 1:24:01.680 --> 1:24:03.280 Just go in and now there's nothing that you have 1:24:03.360 --> 1:24:04.280 to learn the night before. 1:24:04.479 --> 1:24:06.720 It's like coming, Look, we got two hours to get 1:24:06.760 --> 1:24:10.479 these three songs, so you know, let's just focus in one, two, three, 1:24:10.640 --> 1:24:10.920 that's it. 1:24:11.080 --> 1:24:13.320 Well, one of the things I always admire and just 1:24:13.920 --> 1:24:15.439 I mean, I just as a kid. How I got 1:24:15.479 --> 1:24:18.040 to know you was through reading credits and I just knew, 1:24:18.360 --> 1:24:19.880 I mean, I knew you were from M to May. 1:24:19.960 --> 1:24:22.600 But like I just remember reading like credits and I. 1:24:22.640 --> 1:24:25.320 Was like, this lady is on every album that my 1:24:25.479 --> 1:24:28.920 mom has everything And one of the things I always like, 1:24:29.360 --> 1:24:31.680 particularly once I started making music myself and singing and 1:24:31.760 --> 1:24:34.920 arranging vocals, I always admire and I came to appreciate 1:24:35.040 --> 1:24:38.320 much more later. How well, all y'all singing unison because 1:24:38.320 --> 1:24:40.600 it's harder to sing unison that it is in and 1:24:40.760 --> 1:24:43.000 like y'all like and we all sang together. 1:24:43.120 --> 1:24:45.320 They didn't do one track at a time and then 1:24:45.520 --> 1:24:48.200 just you know, put it together. No, you got to 1:24:48.280 --> 1:24:50.880 learn how to sing with somebody. You can't just you 1:24:50.960 --> 1:24:53.320 know who used to cut shef used to We used. 1:24:53.240 --> 1:24:55.960 To go in one at a time and sing. 1:24:56.080 --> 1:24:58.240 It's like, you got four people here, why can't we 1:24:58.400 --> 1:25:00.479 just all sing together and knock it out instead of 1:25:00.520 --> 1:25:01.439 being here for six hours? 1:25:01.479 --> 1:25:02.559 We can be here for two hours. 1:25:02.720 --> 1:25:04.240 So what's your take on tuning and stuff like that 1:25:04.320 --> 1:25:07.160 these days? Because you know, people just like they create 1:25:07.400 --> 1:25:08.840 backgrounds by just tuning people. 1:25:09.560 --> 1:25:11.800 Oh, you know, I'm not. I'm just not accustomed to that. 1:25:11.880 --> 1:25:13.680 It's like, what do you need that for? 1:25:14.320 --> 1:25:16.000 You got a singer, she should they should already be 1:25:16.000 --> 1:25:16.800 able to sing in tune. 1:25:17.800 --> 1:25:22.080 I mean you say that, but I hear what you're saying. 1:25:23.320 --> 1:25:23.800 I hear you. 1:25:23.920 --> 1:25:25.519 But where I come from, that's that. That's just the 1:25:25.560 --> 1:25:25.960 way it is. 1:25:26.080 --> 1:25:28.200 Anything different, it's like, oh, we'll change it with the 1:25:28.240 --> 1:25:30.160 auto tuning. It's a little album with It's like, what 1:25:30.240 --> 1:25:32.760 are you talking about? Let's just sing it, you know, 1:25:33.360 --> 1:25:35.519 it's it's a new world. I'm not you know, I 1:25:35.600 --> 1:25:37.479 feel like a dinosaur when it comes to that. 1:25:38.000 --> 1:25:43.439 You know, yeah, I actually had a question in doing 1:25:43.520 --> 1:25:46.360 vocal arrangements when you're you know, have you ever run 1:25:46.400 --> 1:25:48.280 into a situation where you weren't credited for work that 1:25:48.360 --> 1:25:48.639 you did? 1:25:49.880 --> 1:25:50.800 And how did you handle that? 1:25:51.120 --> 1:25:53.600 Yeah? Well, you know what, I just I look at 1:25:53.640 --> 1:25:57.200 that as tuition for for something better to come? 1:25:57.479 --> 1:25:59.439 Is that something that would happen a lot, especially to women, 1:26:00.439 --> 1:26:00.840 not to me? 1:26:02.800 --> 1:26:07.559 No, you know, you gotta go in you look, I'm 1:26:07.600 --> 1:26:08.719 the person that you called. 1:26:09.439 --> 1:26:09.680 I was. 1:26:09.880 --> 1:26:12.960 I'm the person that you call. When that the singers 1:26:13.000 --> 1:26:15.640 were called to make sure they got that money. You know, 1:26:15.720 --> 1:26:18.120 I would make sure that the union that secessions were correct, 1:26:18.120 --> 1:26:20.240 the money was right, and I send the report into 1:26:20.280 --> 1:26:22.840 the union. So I took care of business. I did 1:26:22.880 --> 1:26:25.599 the paperwork. So and not only did I do the paperwork, 1:26:25.680 --> 1:26:28.519 I sang and did the arrangement. So it's like, if 1:26:28.560 --> 1:26:31.439 you're doing a job for me as a contractor, then 1:26:31.479 --> 1:26:33.599 you would you know you're gonna get your money. Yeah, 1:26:33.720 --> 1:26:36.160 but I always got credits for contracting because that was 1:26:36.200 --> 1:26:36.760 a union thing. 1:26:37.600 --> 1:26:38.240 That makes sense. 1:26:39.080 --> 1:26:42.360 What was it like for y'all when when hip hop 1:26:42.880 --> 1:26:44.840 kind of took over for lack of a better word, 1:26:45.160 --> 1:26:46.640 how did you guys adjust to that and what were 1:26:46.680 --> 1:26:48.280 your thoughts on hip hop at that time? 1:26:48.880 --> 1:26:51.840 Well, one thing that I started noticing is that they 1:26:51.880 --> 1:26:54.840 were playing like songs in two different keys, and like 1:26:54.920 --> 1:26:57.240 the music, the track would being one key and the 1:26:57.280 --> 1:26:58.880 singer would be singing in another key, and it's like 1:26:59.280 --> 1:27:01.679 why did they let that happened? But you know, that's 1:27:02.200 --> 1:27:06.080 I think that was called progress. I think that was 1:27:06.160 --> 1:27:09.479 called that was that was progressed. But you know, but 1:27:09.600 --> 1:27:11.000 then you you know, you hear it enough and you 1:27:11.040 --> 1:27:14.680 get accustomed to hearing that, But still I have to 1:27:14.960 --> 1:27:17.640 allow myself to have a certain level of you know, 1:27:17.840 --> 1:27:20.519 a certain standard of music. 1:27:20.880 --> 1:27:23.720 Music neess you know. So it's like, okay, that's what 1:27:23.800 --> 1:27:25.240 they're doing, but I can't do that. 1:27:25.800 --> 1:27:26.400 I understand. 1:27:26.560 --> 1:27:28.799 Have you ever had like a bad day in the studio, 1:27:28.840 --> 1:27:31.960 Because every time I've ever heard your music or your lead, like, 1:27:32.520 --> 1:27:33.799 it always sound fantastic. 1:27:33.920 --> 1:27:35.439 Yeah, but you're always hear the finished product. 1:27:36.760 --> 1:27:40.680 Everybody, like what is a bad to watch? The day 1:27:40.680 --> 1:27:42.639 would probably be like a great day for anyone else. 1:27:42.680 --> 1:27:45.680 So well, it's probably would be a day when I 1:27:46.080 --> 1:27:48.120 wasn't feeling well and couldn't hit the notes like I 1:27:48.200 --> 1:27:49.840 wanted to. I can still hit the notes, but it 1:27:50.400 --> 1:27:52.519 wouldn't be like the full power that I would want 1:27:52.560 --> 1:27:52.720 to have. 1:27:53.320 --> 1:27:55.680 So so like if you like, if you're sick or 1:27:55.720 --> 1:27:58.400 something and you're on tour, how do you I guess, 1:27:58.479 --> 1:27:59.640 like if you have a cold or something, like, how 1:27:59.640 --> 1:28:00.559 do you sing over cold? 1:28:00.560 --> 1:28:01.360 How do you fight through that? 1:28:02.280 --> 1:28:03.400 Sometimes you have to. 1:28:04.560 --> 1:28:06.720 What I can do is if if I know I 1:28:06.760 --> 1:28:09.040 can't my high note are gone, I'll switch the parts 1:28:09.120 --> 1:28:11.800 with the singer and let let the singer, you know, 1:28:12.000 --> 1:28:13.600 take the higher note, and then I'll just sing in 1:28:13.680 --> 1:28:16.240 the middle there's alwa, there's always ways around it because 1:28:16.240 --> 1:28:17.640 you got to be thinking on your feet because you're like, 1:28:17.720 --> 1:28:20.280 this is this is performance, it's it's showtime. 1:28:20.520 --> 1:28:22.880 You know, you can't say I don't feel good? 1:28:23.040 --> 1:28:24.720 No, do you do it on the spot, like right 1:28:24.760 --> 1:28:26.240 before the show would start, you just switch around the 1:28:26.280 --> 1:28:26.559 parts like. 1:28:26.640 --> 1:28:27.280 Oh we could do that. 1:28:27.439 --> 1:28:29.880 Yeah, I know, I've that my head up. 1:28:31.000 --> 1:28:31.320 I total. 1:28:31.920 --> 1:28:33.320 I just I've watched people do that and it's just. 1:28:33.320 --> 1:28:36.200 Like I'm feeling a little I'm feeling my throats a 1:28:36.240 --> 1:28:38.240 little scratchy today. Could you just sing the top for 1:28:38.320 --> 1:28:40.240 me and I'll sing the middle okay, and just going out. 1:28:40.160 --> 1:28:43.680 And say, yeah, that's great, that's that's true profession. Yes, sir, 1:28:43.800 --> 1:28:44.639 I know how to read music. 1:28:45.960 --> 1:28:50.519 Yes, Freeze Frame, that's a cool nickname. 1:28:51.439 --> 1:28:51.680 Keep that. 1:28:52.360 --> 1:28:55.519 We recently had Jeffrey Osbourne on our show, So what 1:28:55.720 --> 1:28:57.120 was your experience like working with him? 1:28:58.720 --> 1:28:59.519 I work with Jeffrey. 1:28:59.520 --> 1:29:03.400 I didn't with Jeffrey, but I like him, Okay. 1:29:03.680 --> 1:29:07.920 I love his voice, love ballid, love ballad. 1:29:08.400 --> 1:29:09.000 Your credits. 1:29:09.400 --> 1:29:11.679 Really it must have been a group thing. I don't 1:29:11.720 --> 1:29:12.080 remember that. 1:29:14.360 --> 1:29:17.160 I have a follow up question, but it's unrelated to Jeffrey. 1:29:17.200 --> 1:29:21.400 Osborne's really just another question. It's not really where is 1:29:21.479 --> 1:29:22.280 Irene Karra? 1:29:22.560 --> 1:29:23.160 Oh that. 1:29:25.479 --> 1:29:31.920 I have not seen Irene Karra in forever? Yeah, but 1:29:32.439 --> 1:29:38.160 fame right, I haven't seen her? What a oh yeah, 1:29:38.200 --> 1:29:41.080 well flash dance right right. I haven't seen her in years. 1:29:41.360 --> 1:29:41.560 I know. 1:29:41.720 --> 1:29:44.160 You know, sometimes when people go off the scene, they 1:29:44.240 --> 1:29:47.519 either they desaturates the family or something, or you know, 1:29:47.640 --> 1:29:50.800 some health concerns that they're not you know, available, or 1:29:50.880 --> 1:29:52.200 they're just not they just try to. 1:29:52.840 --> 1:29:53.439 Doing what they did. 1:29:53.520 --> 1:29:55.960 I mean, I haven't researched where she is. 1:29:56.040 --> 1:29:59.880 I'm just okay, no, no, I haven't seen Iron Car. 1:30:00.160 --> 1:30:01.600 Does that mean you weren't in the room Because I 1:30:01.640 --> 1:30:04.439 saw Gregory Hines on your on your credit list too, 1:30:05.200 --> 1:30:05.479 Does that. 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:06.920 Mean you weren't the room during that time either? 1:30:07.800 --> 1:30:09.920 Okay, because I was up there for that one, because 1:30:09.920 --> 1:30:11.320 that one I loved that album. 1:30:11.400 --> 1:30:14.680 But so he had a whole solo, Yes he did, 1:30:17.080 --> 1:30:22.120 and then they had this duet that they said, oh 1:30:22.400 --> 1:30:26.000 my goodness, Jeffrey, I mean, I mean Jeffrey Gregory. 1:30:25.760 --> 1:30:29.800 Hines was like a great great Yeah. I was there 1:30:29.840 --> 1:30:30.240 for that one. 1:30:30.360 --> 1:30:34.920 Yeah, I saw recently, my buddy of mine, Static Selector, 1:30:35.160 --> 1:30:40.240 you were doing I haven't heard the song. Is it out? 1:30:44.120 --> 1:30:48.400 That's in b and uh yeah yeah static static in 1:30:48.520 --> 1:30:49.880 terminology yeah, m yeah. 1:30:50.600 --> 1:30:54.120 So are you still like, I mean writing, producing, like working, 1:30:54.280 --> 1:30:55.120 like writing new music. 1:30:55.200 --> 1:30:59.400 Now we're working on a project for me now, you know. So, 1:30:59.800 --> 1:31:02.240 so look for something probably by the end of the year, 1:31:03.240 --> 1:31:05.960 a single or something. But static static is cool. 1:31:05.960 --> 1:31:06.400 I like her. 1:31:06.479 --> 1:31:09.200 Yeah, go out to Brooklyn and just like, yo, what 1:31:09.320 --> 1:31:11.560 you want? You know, I got it? 1:31:12.240 --> 1:31:12.439 Yeah? 1:31:13.160 --> 1:31:13.960 Is it still home for you? 1:31:14.320 --> 1:31:14.599 Newark? 1:31:14.640 --> 1:31:16.800 Are you still well, I'm in the No, I'm not 1:31:16.920 --> 1:31:19.680 in Newark, but I'm like two exits Jersey. Yeah, I'm 1:31:19.680 --> 1:31:20.120 in Jersey. 1:31:20.439 --> 1:31:20.639 Yeah. 1:31:20.800 --> 1:31:22.559 Are you like an active Newark? Well, I know you're 1:31:22.600 --> 1:31:24.639 not in Newark, but you're an active Newark like community person, 1:31:24.680 --> 1:31:28.759 because now they're like, who's the mayor nowco whatnot? 1:31:28.840 --> 1:31:30.719 Oh no, I'm in another city. 1:31:32.120 --> 1:31:32.519 I'm out. 1:31:36.720 --> 1:31:39.080 My mom lived there for like fifty some odd years 1:31:39.840 --> 1:31:41.599 and she she just moved recently. 1:31:41.720 --> 1:31:43.920 So, you know, always curious about Jersey people, and I 1:31:44.080 --> 1:31:47.080 like Newark and Corey Booker and the politics and everything 1:31:47.120 --> 1:31:47.479 that's going on. 1:31:47.560 --> 1:31:51.240 That's oh yeah, please Cory Booker. Yeah, Senator, yes. 1:31:52.640 --> 1:31:54.639 Yeah, I was actually to look on her face. 1:31:56.720 --> 1:31:58.679 Well, no, no, because I'm you know, I'm not familiar. 1:31:58.800 --> 1:32:00.680 I mean, I know what I read in what I 1:32:00.720 --> 1:32:01.320 see in the news. 1:32:02.439 --> 1:32:07.759 Yeah, you any children and kids. 1:32:08.240 --> 1:32:08.519 I know. 1:32:08.760 --> 1:32:10.600 I am married to the music. And that's it. 1:32:11.640 --> 1:32:11.920 Has it. 1:32:12.160 --> 1:32:12.960 There's no time for. 1:32:14.680 --> 1:32:19.519 No time, no time for that interesting I wanted to. 1:32:19.920 --> 1:32:21.400 I'm not thinking about Lisa Fisher and some of the 1:32:21.400 --> 1:32:21.880 other people that. 1:32:23.920 --> 1:32:25.320 She don't have. She's not married. I don't think she 1:32:25.360 --> 1:32:26.320 hasn't no time. 1:32:27.439 --> 1:32:28.240 We're working. 1:32:28.479 --> 1:32:30.080 So this is a background singer thing. 1:32:30.400 --> 1:32:33.400 Well for some, for some, and and and I applaud 1:32:33.400 --> 1:32:35.800 those who can do both because, you know, because I 1:32:35.800 --> 1:32:37.080 would have to like focus. 1:32:36.880 --> 1:32:38.920 All my time on my family. I couldn't. I couldn't 1:32:39.200 --> 1:32:43.840 not have you know, you know, thank you for the sacrifice, 1:32:45.200 --> 1:32:46.080 thank you for your service. 1:32:48.520 --> 1:32:51.000 All right, So I hit up to my friends that 1:32:51.080 --> 1:32:52.720 I know are big to out the fans. My friend 1:32:52.800 --> 1:32:55.240 Rachel actually says she's to send you fe mail in 1:32:55.320 --> 1:32:58.280 the back in the day. So one of the questions 1:32:58.320 --> 1:33:01.720 that they sent me Monica wanted to know about some 1:33:01.800 --> 1:33:03.120 of the work you did with some of the Japanese 1:33:03.200 --> 1:33:03.880 artists like. 1:33:04.280 --> 1:33:05.200 Oh Terra Masahino. 1:33:07.120 --> 1:33:09.040 She loves my friend Monica, she loves the work that 1:33:09.040 --> 1:33:10.040 you do on the HIPSI. 1:33:09.840 --> 1:33:14.240 Go out, yes, Terra Masino, oh yes, oh he was cool. 1:33:14.800 --> 1:33:15.479 I got a chance that. 1:33:15.560 --> 1:33:16.000 Oh my god. 1:33:16.040 --> 1:33:18.680 I went to Japan so many. I went there so 1:33:19.000 --> 1:33:20.920 often in one year. It was like maybe I should 1:33:20.920 --> 1:33:23.720 find a place here, you know. It was like that, No, 1:33:24.040 --> 1:33:27.800 Terre Massa was cool, great trumpet player. 1:33:28.439 --> 1:33:31.679 What was what was question? Well, Rachel's questions. She wanted 1:33:31.680 --> 1:33:33.240 to know about hot Tea and oh. 1:33:33.120 --> 1:33:33.559 Hot Tea. 1:33:34.360 --> 1:33:36.200 You know what I'm what I'm trying to do is 1:33:36.320 --> 1:33:38.760 what I wanted to do was to put something on 1:33:38.880 --> 1:33:41.519 YouTube or like a round table discussion with hot Tea. 1:33:42.160 --> 1:33:42.360 You know. 1:33:43.400 --> 1:33:46.439 But it's so hard to get everybody together and and 1:33:46.600 --> 1:33:48.479 and that's how I got my social media because I 1:33:48.520 --> 1:33:50.719 didn't have any I was trying to get everybody together. 1:33:50.800 --> 1:33:52.679 It's like, wait a minute, you don't even have social media, 1:33:52.720 --> 1:33:55.000 So get yourself together first, and then you know. But 1:33:55.360 --> 1:33:58.759 it's time because I think because we all went to Howard, 1:33:59.200 --> 1:34:01.320 I think that it it's such a testament to the 1:34:01.520 --> 1:34:03.280 to the university that you know. 1:34:03.760 --> 1:34:04.679 We achieved. 1:34:04.760 --> 1:34:07.360 We we all graduated, and we all went on to 1:34:07.920 --> 1:34:11.639 do something really good for our careers. And we didn't 1:34:11.640 --> 1:34:14.080 stay together. But we're still doing We're still in music, 1:34:14.200 --> 1:34:15.960 and everybody's doing very well. 1:34:15.880 --> 1:34:19.840 In in their particular areas recorded. No, we never, we 1:34:19.960 --> 1:34:20.719 never made a record. 1:34:20.920 --> 1:34:23.360 Sounds like something just happened to Crampton, like a conversation. 1:34:23.479 --> 1:34:24.400 Wouldn't that be nice? 1:34:24.720 --> 1:34:26.439 That would be great, That would be great because I 1:34:26.520 --> 1:34:28.719 just want people to know that it can be done. 1:34:28.960 --> 1:34:31.800 We can go to Crampton how it can be done. 1:34:31.960 --> 1:34:33.920 It can be done, and you know, and we're all 1:34:34.040 --> 1:34:37.160 successful in our own rights, so you know, I think 1:34:37.200 --> 1:34:38.360 it would be a really cool thing to do. 1:34:39.439 --> 1:34:42.000 Luther at the time when uh, what was the name 1:34:42.160 --> 1:34:45.240 Ivan Hampton was playing drums for him? It was he 1:34:45.280 --> 1:34:47.360 had a drummer Ivan. The reason why I asked, you. 1:34:47.360 --> 1:34:51.280 Mean when was playing and then and then Ivan Ivan 1:34:51.360 --> 1:34:52.880 came on after Yogi Ivan. 1:34:52.960 --> 1:34:55.160 Okay, he was at Madison Square Garden. 1:34:55.360 --> 1:34:58.559 Oh okay, yeah, his reason why? I asked his wife, 1:34:58.920 --> 1:35:01.240 who also went to Howard. I know she was out 1:35:01.240 --> 1:35:01.639 of class. 1:35:02.040 --> 1:35:05.360 Ivan's wife, Brenda, she was I think she was like 1:35:05.439 --> 1:35:08.320 a music student as well, but she ended up teaching. 1:35:08.080 --> 1:35:11.160 Law music law, and she was like our music professor. 1:35:11.240 --> 1:35:12.400 And if you guys were in. 1:35:12.439 --> 1:35:14.640 The same no, I don't I don't know her. 1:35:14.880 --> 1:35:16.800 I don't know her, okay, but what you were with, 1:35:17.200 --> 1:35:19.840 Oh no, Ivan was there when I was in Okay, gotcha? 1:35:19.960 --> 1:35:21.240 And then you know what I used to do was 1:35:21.800 --> 1:35:24.240 Luther would have me come back if somebody was it 1:35:24.439 --> 1:35:26.280 was ill or had to be away, or if somebody 1:35:26.360 --> 1:35:28.800 was working with somebody else or somebody's own maternity leave, 1:35:29.680 --> 1:35:31.479 I would go in and fill in, you know, for 1:35:31.600 --> 1:35:33.320 whoever was nothing because I knew all this. I was 1:35:33.360 --> 1:35:35.080 there from the beginning, so I knew all the material. 1:35:35.520 --> 1:35:38.240 Was he ever like because all the footage that I've 1:35:38.280 --> 1:35:40.000 ever seen in a film, he just always just seemed 1:35:40.040 --> 1:35:44.440 so straight, Like was he ever like funny or hilarious? 1:35:44.800 --> 1:35:46.280 Oh my god, he was so hilarious. 1:35:46.360 --> 1:35:49.599 He was so witty, and he was a great dancer, 1:35:49.760 --> 1:35:52.439 and he was just and we of course we're all foodies, 1:35:52.760 --> 1:35:54.840 so I mean we just we had a lot in common, 1:35:54.880 --> 1:35:57.320 and we all had a real love for the music. 1:35:58.840 --> 1:36:00.880 Yeah, and you know, I sang on every Luther album 1:36:00.920 --> 1:36:03.840 except for maybe two not Yeah. 1:36:03.880 --> 1:36:07.040 My mother was a huge Luther fan. Like every every 1:36:07.160 --> 1:36:09.120 album I saw, like your name and like. 1:36:09.160 --> 1:36:11.240 It was that was if I wasn't on stage, that 1:36:11.320 --> 1:36:12.679 was one record yeah. 1:36:15.080 --> 1:36:18.040 Oh, I'm good. I'm just wondering, uh, if you were 1:36:18.080 --> 1:36:19.560 tight with Alphonse moves on. 1:36:21.160 --> 1:36:24.400 No, no, I don't know, no, no, no no. 1:36:24.920 --> 1:36:29.080 I remember when I was at Howard Donald Bird Donald 1:36:29.120 --> 1:36:32.920 Bird and the Blackbirds and and and hot Tea, and 1:36:33.080 --> 1:36:37.720 we did a performance with uh Professor Bird and the Blackbirds, 1:36:38.240 --> 1:36:41.120 and I was supposed to get in touch with Alphonse 1:36:41.280 --> 1:36:42.240 was on and I never did. 1:36:42.760 --> 1:36:45.360 So it is our paths were I supposed to cross. 1:36:46.120 --> 1:36:51.440 But of course I know, I know I'm nothing. 1:36:53.320 --> 1:36:53.760 After him. 1:37:00.479 --> 1:37:05.240 In your on your credits, she got right there. 1:37:05.600 --> 1:37:06.200 Looking pack. 1:37:08.760 --> 1:37:10.040 A lot in big letters. 1:37:11.760 --> 1:37:12.720 We can edit edited. 1:37:17.520 --> 1:37:18.559 She didn't even hear glasses. 1:37:18.960 --> 1:37:25.799 Look, Lorie Anderson, Bonnie Tyler, Lori Anderson, Jim steinmon Richie 1:37:25.840 --> 1:37:32.320 sambora nice guy by the way, Stevie Ray Vaughan family style. 1:37:32.479 --> 1:37:34.479 I say that, Rick okay sic. 1:37:36.520 --> 1:37:38.120 God David Bowie. 1:37:40.880 --> 1:37:41.839 Black tied White. 1:37:41.720 --> 1:37:46.760 Noise with Albi and did the promotional tour with him 1:37:46.760 --> 1:37:48.599 and we did TV was great. 1:37:49.080 --> 1:37:50.600 But Jeffrey Osborne it was. 1:37:52.120 --> 1:37:54.000 I just think it was on the Only Human album. 1:37:54.280 --> 1:37:56.040 The song was called The Morning After I Made Love 1:37:56.080 --> 1:37:56.240 to You. 1:37:57.200 --> 1:38:00.240 You know what I'm not saying I did it. I 1:38:00.439 --> 1:38:00.760 just don't. 1:38:00.760 --> 1:38:01.720 I don't remember it a lot. 1:38:02.920 --> 1:38:05.960 Remember, I don't even have him on here on my list. 1:38:06.200 --> 1:38:07.080 I got the spinners. 1:38:07.320 --> 1:38:08.439 Your list looks a little small. 1:38:09.000 --> 1:38:09.760 Well, you know what this was. 1:38:10.120 --> 1:38:12.200 I might have left some people out, but it's still 1:38:12.280 --> 1:38:12.920 heavy as hell. 1:38:13.439 --> 1:38:20.960 Yeah, blues blues traveler John and we never mentioned the 1:38:21.040 --> 1:38:26.320 Queen for for real queen, Yeah for Rtha Franklin. 1:38:26.439 --> 1:38:28.920 Yes, that was all on jump to it, right, that's 1:38:29.080 --> 1:38:29.519 jumped to it. 1:38:29.720 --> 1:38:34.040 Yes, Yes, and I did several uh uh. I did 1:38:34.200 --> 1:38:35.320 quite a few shows with the Queen. 1:38:35.720 --> 1:38:35.960 Yeah. 1:38:36.520 --> 1:38:38.559 What was that like? The Queen? 1:38:38.720 --> 1:38:40.799 I mean, let me tell you. That voice, that instrument 1:38:41.080 --> 1:38:44.880 is like sometimes I would cry. I'm standing there, I'm 1:38:45.320 --> 1:38:47.200 one of the background sings and I'm listening to her singing. 1:38:47.280 --> 1:38:51.439 I'm like in tears, be intimidating, in tears. And then 1:38:51.520 --> 1:38:54.320 she still plays, Oh my god, she can still play. So, 1:38:54.520 --> 1:38:56.200 I mean, you know, she's been off the scene for 1:38:56.240 --> 1:38:58.679 a minute, but that she is, She is and always 1:38:58.720 --> 1:39:00.559 will be the Queen, the Queen. 1:39:01.200 --> 1:39:03.360 And how was she was she like accepting of like 1:39:03.560 --> 1:39:05.439 new young singers. It wasn't. I wasn't like that. 1:39:06.080 --> 1:39:13.479 Okay, that's I think somebody on your list who I 1:39:13.560 --> 1:39:15.360 want to have here, but I don't know anything about 1:39:15.400 --> 1:39:15.960 him personally. 1:39:16.200 --> 1:39:18.920 Michael Frank, Michael Franks, that was a long time ago. 1:39:19.120 --> 1:39:21.080 Oh my good well all of them were long time ago. 1:39:22.600 --> 1:39:24.439 All of them a long time ago, so long as 1:39:24.439 --> 1:39:25.599 you like, I don't even know, well. 1:39:25.520 --> 1:39:27.519 I don't remember Blue Man Group. 1:39:28.439 --> 1:39:28.719 Wow. 1:39:29.160 --> 1:39:34.479 What yeah, bun oh chromeo, you know. 1:39:34.560 --> 1:39:38.160 Yeah, I don't think they said Steely Dan though, well, 1:39:38.200 --> 1:39:39.120 you know what, that's not. 1:39:39.280 --> 1:39:43.880 Up there, so that might be with no but Stilley Dan. 1:39:44.080 --> 1:39:48.040 Stilley Dan. I did an album with with Walter Walter 1:39:48.160 --> 1:39:52.400 Becker and and yes, and I did. 1:39:52.560 --> 1:39:56.160 I did two or three tours with them, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:39:56.400 --> 1:39:58.439 And that was that was, you know, a quest that 1:39:58.560 --> 1:40:00.439 asked me about, you know, what I wanted to do. 1:40:00.600 --> 1:40:03.160 And I'd always liked Steely Dan. I would hear them 1:40:03.200 --> 1:40:04.760 on the radio and it's like, how did you get 1:40:04.800 --> 1:40:05.160 those hard? 1:40:05.240 --> 1:40:07.120 Yes? What's what is that? 1:40:07.400 --> 1:40:07.840 What is that? 1:40:08.320 --> 1:40:10.800 And then when they called me to sing with them, 1:40:10.920 --> 1:40:14.000 it's like, oh my goodness, it's like everything dropped. There 1:40:14.080 --> 1:40:16.280 was nothing but Steely Dan twenty four to seven in 1:40:16.360 --> 1:40:18.519 the house. That's all you heard twenty four seven? 1:40:18.760 --> 1:40:21.160 Were they super like perfectionists too? Because they were known 1:40:21.200 --> 1:40:22.240 for being like that in the studio. 1:40:22.560 --> 1:40:23.080 Was it the same? 1:40:23.240 --> 1:40:23.560 You know what? 1:40:23.880 --> 1:40:26.240 That was one of those like note for note things. 1:40:26.560 --> 1:40:28.640 It's like no group stuff because you know there was 1:40:28.720 --> 1:40:31.680 like they would like put everything together and like they 1:40:31.720 --> 1:40:33.439 wanted more of this and less of that. It was 1:40:33.520 --> 1:40:37.920 like whoa, okay, just just sing, just sing, that's all that. 1:40:38.000 --> 1:40:39.920 So you had to do you know what they what 1:40:40.080 --> 1:40:42.280 came out in the mix is like another another thing. 1:40:42.520 --> 1:40:46.639 But then the live performance, it's like impeccable. 1:40:46.960 --> 1:40:50.840 Dope, yeah, pope, the B fifty two s oh yeah, wow, 1:40:50.960 --> 1:40:51.320 oh yeah. 1:40:51.320 --> 1:40:54.040 I did that with with Nile Nah nol Rogers. And 1:40:54.080 --> 1:40:55.880 I also did when when I did Stevie ray Vaughan, 1:40:55.920 --> 1:40:58.400 that was with Na and Rick Okaseik. 1:40:58.080 --> 1:40:58.559 Was with Noale. 1:41:00.520 --> 1:41:02.640 I didn't realize No Nile did that. 1:41:04.800 --> 1:41:10.720 The family style Family style right before one of the 1:41:10.760 --> 1:41:15.760 brothers died in the helicopter accident. Yeah yeah, and then 1:41:15.800 --> 1:41:17.439 they made us do a video right after it. 1:41:17.920 --> 1:41:19.120 It's like, are you kidding me? 1:41:19.600 --> 1:41:21.519 I mean his brother was like so destroyed, but we 1:41:21.680 --> 1:41:25.240 know we did record company crap. You know, they made 1:41:25.280 --> 1:41:27.720 him made him do a video right after to capitalize 1:41:27.760 --> 1:41:30.720 off the you know, it's crazy after you did your 1:41:30.720 --> 1:41:31.599 solo for epic? 1:41:31.800 --> 1:41:33.559 Was that? Did you were you off the label? 1:41:33.600 --> 1:41:33.880 After that? 1:41:33.960 --> 1:41:35.839 Did you lead how to that situation? 1:41:36.160 --> 1:41:39.960 It faded away, It faded away, just all faded away. 1:41:40.080 --> 1:41:40.599 Just nothing. 1:41:40.680 --> 1:41:43.679 It's like, oh see they ain't come back asking for nothing. 1:41:43.840 --> 1:41:46.760 Oh no, no, nothing like that. But the business was 1:41:46.760 --> 1:41:49.800 straight though, you know, business was straight, you. 1:41:49.840 --> 1:41:53.000 Know, in too many you know, So can you can 1:41:53.040 --> 1:41:53.599 you describe? 1:41:54.040 --> 1:41:56.240 Because I'm not a singer, I always wanted to be 1:41:56.320 --> 1:41:59.080 a singer, But can you describe what it's like when 1:41:59.120 --> 1:41:59.880 you find. 1:42:01.200 --> 1:42:04.439 The people that your voice works with? Like what does 1:42:04.479 --> 1:42:08.200 that feel like? Yes? 1:42:08.400 --> 1:42:10.760 You can. You can just sort of relax and be 1:42:11.000 --> 1:42:15.640 free because the blend is so perfect and and the 1:42:15.800 --> 1:42:17.840 and the vibe is just so melo into. It's like 1:42:18.000 --> 1:42:20.000 whatever you do is just gonna be cool because you know, 1:42:20.439 --> 1:42:23.320 the voice is meshed so well. It's like it doesn't 1:42:23.360 --> 1:42:25.000 happen all the time, but when it does, it's like 1:42:25.760 --> 1:42:27.160 it's it's almost orgasmic. 1:42:27.280 --> 1:42:29.759 Who's your blend? Who's your my blend? 1:42:30.120 --> 1:42:30.639 My blend? 1:42:31.360 --> 1:42:35.120 Cindy Brenda, Like, what do you look for when you're 1:42:35.160 --> 1:42:37.880 when you're when you're hiring singers? 1:42:37.960 --> 1:42:40.800 Well, it's just can can our tonal qualities match. 1:42:41.120 --> 1:42:43.240 That's that's the most important thing, because it might be 1:42:43.320 --> 1:42:46.200 different genres of music, but you know, we still the 1:42:46.320 --> 1:42:48.560 tonal qualities have to match so we can blend to 1:42:48.920 --> 1:42:50.479 fit into whatever it is we're doing. 1:42:52.040 --> 1:42:53.320 And you still play correct. 1:42:54.360 --> 1:42:55.960 I play, I play in the house. I don't play 1:42:56.000 --> 1:42:59.920 out you know, you know lit some something. 1:43:01.240 --> 1:43:05.320 Yeah, well i'm over too, but I'm I'm willing to. 1:43:07.320 --> 1:43:11.240 All right, there's a Danish Uh, there's a Danish pianist 1:43:11.320 --> 1:43:12.040 named old Cock. 1:43:12.120 --> 1:43:13.920 Hanson ever worked with him? 1:43:16.040 --> 1:43:16.559 Look it up? 1:43:18.280 --> 1:43:19.800 Looking at I don't know. 1:43:20.280 --> 1:43:21.320 All right, Well, I don't know. 1:43:21.479 --> 1:43:22.120 I'm over three. 1:43:22.200 --> 1:43:25.080 Then that was another money. 1:43:26.760 --> 1:43:28.840 Just old Cock hanted holy ship. 1:43:29.040 --> 1:43:32.960 Yeah sorry, I had no comment. 1:43:33.000 --> 1:43:34.760 I didn't have to walk upbout her old Cock. 1:43:34.840 --> 1:43:43.280 It got really uncomfortable, right, what happened? 1:43:44.640 --> 1:43:44.840 That's what. 1:43:45.840 --> 1:43:48.200 Yeah, that's a real dude. I was kidding, but that's 1:43:48.200 --> 1:43:49.640 a real dude. It's spelled with a k. 1:43:50.040 --> 1:44:07.320 Okay, just make it better, Okay at the end, Okay, seriously, 1:44:08.200 --> 1:44:09.720 thank you so much for coming on the show. 1:44:09.800 --> 1:44:12.000 It's been a pleasure. I had a ball. I had 1:44:12.000 --> 1:44:13.599 a ball, and I said i'd have fun. 1:44:13.840 --> 1:44:15.240 Oh yeah, and thank you. 1:44:15.360 --> 1:44:18.439 Just correct he actually, yeah, one more thing I told 1:44:18.520 --> 1:44:20.640 mister and this, But Juicy Fruit was one of the 1:44:20.720 --> 1:44:22.880 first songs I ever remember hearing. Like, there's a a 1:44:22.960 --> 1:44:25.599 list about maybe ten songs that like are the first 1:44:25.680 --> 1:44:26.360 ones that I remember. 1:44:26.400 --> 1:44:27.240 You didn't get hit for it. 1:44:27.400 --> 1:44:29.160 No, I didn't get here for it. It was a 1:44:29.200 --> 1:44:31.960 neighbors record. She had it, and she was always playing it. 1:44:32.560 --> 1:44:33.840 It was like one of those songs that is stuck 1:44:33.880 --> 1:44:34.200 in my head. 1:44:34.200 --> 1:44:36.320 And like every time I hear Juicy Fruit, it always 1:44:36.320 --> 1:44:38.440 feels like I'm having a very special experience. 1:44:38.840 --> 1:44:40.760 So I just want to thank you for that. It's 1:44:41.040 --> 1:44:44.320 I carry that with me for years. 1:44:44.360 --> 1:44:47.920 I'm so happy that you received it. Thank you, Thank you. 1:44:47.960 --> 1:44:48.600 I appreciate that. 1:44:48.720 --> 1:44:48.880 Yeah. 1:44:48.880 --> 1:44:51.280 I've been cheating juicy fruit for about forty years. 1:44:54.000 --> 1:44:56.280 Yeah, just bought it just to watch. 1:44:56.560 --> 1:44:59.040 This is weird. I bought this like weeks ago and 1:44:59.120 --> 1:44:59.719 it just ended. 1:44:59.640 --> 1:44:59.880 Up in my. 1:45:01.479 --> 1:45:03.400 I will tell you a really weird coincidence with this 1:45:03.520 --> 1:45:06.800 interview though, Like I had a flood my story June 1:45:06.800 --> 1:45:08.040 about two years ago, and a whole bunch of my 1:45:08.080 --> 1:45:11.160 records got damage, and about two weeks about a week before, 1:45:11.240 --> 1:45:13.320 you sent me an email saying that this interview was confirmed. 1:45:13.640 --> 1:45:15.920 I replaced my copy of Tawatha's debut album. 1:45:16.120 --> 1:45:20.360 Oh my, really how much that she got for. 1:45:23.560 --> 1:45:24.040 That much? 1:45:24.720 --> 1:45:25.439 If that much? 1:45:26.200 --> 1:45:27.200 So it's kind of weird. 1:45:27.720 --> 1:45:30.120 Oh yeah, I just you know, replaced my copy of 1:45:30.280 --> 1:45:33.760 the album We got to coming in now, coming in 1:45:34.479 --> 1:45:34.800 the show. 1:45:35.800 --> 1:45:39.960 Well, yes, we thank you so much and I appreciate 1:45:41.479 --> 1:45:44.840 all those weeks I was sent to my room. It 1:45:44.960 --> 1:45:47.080 was worth it for defying my parents and buying that 1:45:47.160 --> 1:45:51.840 forty five. I hope you enjoyed it or be half 1:45:52.120 --> 1:45:55.320 of Sugar Steve and this Sugar Steve Network. 1:45:56.000 --> 1:46:10.600 You're hilarious. You're hilarious girl. Is that what I'm saying? Now? 1:46:10.640 --> 1:46:11.760 You've got me wanting to do the end of you 1:46:11.840 --> 1:46:12.160 me and he. 1:46:22.400 --> 1:46:26.080 What what what I understood when you had another? 1:46:27.560 --> 1:46:34.720 Oh yeah, humans, I was human too. 1:46:36.640 --> 1:46:39.000 All right, listen, we want be half a fan Tickelot, 1:46:39.200 --> 1:46:41.519 Boss Bill, Sugar Steve, unpaid Bill. 1:46:42.200 --> 1:46:47.320 It's like EA and the the the amazing great mister 1:46:47.400 --> 1:46:48.760 Watha g thank you so much. 1:46:48.680 --> 1:46:50.000 For coming on the pleasure. 1:46:50.120 --> 1:46:51.080 Thanks you, pledge. 1:46:51.200 --> 1:46:51.920 I had a fall. 1:46:52.280 --> 1:46:55.400 This is Quest Love another episode Quest Love Supreme in 1:46:55.520 --> 1:46:56.959 the can only on Pandora. 1:46:57.160 --> 1:47:20.240 And We'll see you on the Next Go Round Sequest. 1:47:09.600 --> 1:47:13.479 Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 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