1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and this is the 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth Podcast That's So Raven edition, as we look 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: back at a frustrating loss in Baltimore that saw the 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: Bengals lose for the fourth time in the last five 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: games to fall to five and five this season. In 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: the battle for the sixth and final playoff spot in 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: the AFC, five teams have five and five records, and 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: here's how they currently stack up based on the tiebreakers. 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: The Ravens currently have the final playoff spot, followed by 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: the Bengals, Dolphins, Colts, and Titans. The Bengals wins over 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: Miami and Indianapolis could come in very handy. On this 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: episode of the podcast, you'll hear radio replays from the game, 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: locker room interviews with several key players, and Dave Lapham 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: will join me for postgame analysis. Plus, in this week's 15 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: fun Facts Interview, I'll talk to rookie cornerback Darius Phillips 16 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: on a wide variety of topics in hooting the two 17 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: people in history he would most like to meet. I 18 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: think his answer will surprise you. All of that is 19 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: straight ahead, But first, here's a quick reminder that you 20 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: can have the latest edition of this podcast delivered right 21 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: to your phone, tablet, or computer by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, 22 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: or pod Bean. It's the greatest invention since caffeine. I've 23 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: had an eventful weekend calling. You see basketball at home 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: on Friday night, you see football in Orlando on Saturday night, 25 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: and the Bengals game in Baltimore on Sunday afternoon. I 26 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: love it. It's what I dreamed of doing as a kid, 27 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: and I kind of think of the challenge of getting 28 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: from game to game is my own version of the 29 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: Amazing Race. But I haven't had a lot of sleep, 30 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: which is why caffeine is my drug of choice. Now, 31 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: let's get to the game. With Joe Flacco missing practice 32 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: all week with a hip injury, the Bengals knew they 33 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: were like a face former Heisman Trophy winning quarterback Lamar Jackson. 34 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: In his first NFL start in three years at Louisville, 35 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 1: Jackson passed for more than nine thousand yards and ran 36 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: for more than four thousand yards, and his ability to 37 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: run was the big concern. According to Bengals linebacker Hardy Nickerson, 38 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: when you go up against the Lamar Jackson, you know 39 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: Cam Newton. A guy like that, like a Mike Vick, 40 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: you always got to be ready for it. But even 41 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: if they knew it was coming, the Bengals couldn't stop 42 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: Jackson and the Ravens on their opening drive eleven plays, 43 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: all runs, including five runs by the quarterback, for forty 44 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: six yards. The end result an early seven nothing lead. 45 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: Waits for the shotgun snap on second down and goal 46 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: from the seven, Jackson hands it off Collins trying to 47 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: bounce it wide toward the sideline. He will run toward 48 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: the pylon and score a Baltimore touchdown. Man, I didn't 49 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: think that was gonna bounce well enough. Looked like the 50 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: Bengals were in position, but they didn't set a strong 51 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: enough edge. Montest Burford kind of barking at his guys, 52 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: who's setting the edge defensively. Jackson finished the game with 53 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: twenty seven carries for one hundred and seventeen yards, a 54 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: new rushing record for a Ravens quarterback. Here's Vinny Ray. 55 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: Most of us have seen him in college. You know 56 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: the highlights. But we saw a couple of games of 57 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: him getting ready in the last couple of days in 58 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: the preseason, and we see he's good. He's a good quarterback, 59 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: goes through his reads and he is unbelievable quickness and 60 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: as you see, I think his best qualities is toughness. 61 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: So um good quarterback is gonna be a tough player 62 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: to play against me. Is just what Bengals fans wanted 63 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: to hear. Baltimore's lead didn't last. Early in the second quarter, 64 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton hit Tyler Boyd and Joe Mixon on back 65 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: to back passes for twenty nine and twenty one yards, 66 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: leading to a tying touchdown. Sam Hobbard in at fullback 67 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: first in golf from the one they get it and 68 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: he fights his way across the goal line. Touchdown, Bang 69 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: goals as Joe Mixon plowed over Jefferson and took it 70 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: into the end zone for the score. That was one 71 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: of very few productive runs for the Bengals. Mixon finished 72 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: with fourteen yards on twelve carries. Giovanni Bernard had five 73 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: yards on two carries. In the final two minutes of 74 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: the half, the Ravens scored twice. A twenty eight yard 75 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: field goal by Justin Tucker made a ten seven, then 76 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: the Bengals punted it back to Baltimore with twenty two 77 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: seconds left, and Jackson was able to scramble around for 78 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: an eternity before throwing a twenty three yard pass to 79 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: John Brown that put the Ravens within the long field 80 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: goal range of Justin Tucker. Here's Marvin Lewis on the 81 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: defensive breakdown the field goal before halftime. He scrambles would 82 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: come out of coverage. That's a huge play. You know, 83 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: we can't do that. And you know they had a 84 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: couple other opportunities there and you know where they had 85 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: to end up punting it. But those are the things 86 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: you got to learn. When you're playing a quarterback that runs, 87 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: you gotta just you know, you gotta take care of 88 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: your job that the other guys chase the quarterback. Tucker 89 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 1: drilled a fifty six yard field goal to end the half, 90 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: his ninth in a row from fifty plus, and the 91 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: Ravens head a thirteen seven lead. In the third quarter, 92 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: Baltimore's twenty one year old quarterback finally made a rookie mistake. 93 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: Jackson rolling to the right now, he wants to take 94 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: off and run now he throws intersected by Sean Williams. 95 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: Williams at the forty five of Baltimore the forty to 96 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: the thirty five, and he will be tackled by Lamar 97 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: Jackson around the thirty three yard line. The Bengals capitalized 98 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: on the great drive start to take their first lead 99 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: of the day. Dalton, waiting for the shotgun snap catches 100 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: at the nine, drop straight back through the flamental that 101 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: is caught for a touchdown, hauled in by Matt Lengal, 102 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: his second career touchdown catch, his first and a Bengals uniform. 103 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: Cincinnati has tied it pending the extra point. Randy Bullock 104 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: made the pat to put the Bengals up fourteen thirteen, 105 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: and here's legal and hauling in that touchdown catch with 106 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: no defenders nearby, knew there was gonna be nobody there. 107 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: I thought I might be getting the ball, but I 108 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: didn't realize until after that. It was like a little 109 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: ten yard bubble I had there. So I'm just glad 110 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: I could catch it and fall down and score touchdown. 111 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: That was a thirty two yard touchdown drive, and the 112 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: Bengals got great field position again on their next drive 113 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: when the Ravens went for it on fourth and one 114 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: in their own territory. On fourth down and one from 115 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: the forty five yard line. Bengals crowd the middle, Jackson 116 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: trying to knife left. I don't think he got it. 117 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: The Bengals defense begins celebrating, and three and a half 118 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: minutes later, the offense was celebrating thanks to John Ross. 119 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: Dalton fakes a handoff. He's gonna love it deep toward 120 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: Ross in the end zone and it is a touchdown. 121 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: A great catch for John Ross as he somehow maneuvered 122 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: up and over Marlin Humphrey to reel in the twenty 123 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: two yard TD How about that a contested catch by 124 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: John Russ. It was not only a terrific contested catch, 125 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: but Ross showed great awareness to get both feet down 126 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: in bounds for his fourth touchdown on a total of 127 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: eleven receptions. I saw where it like when I filled 128 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: the balls. I lived down and made sure I got 129 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: both feet in, you know, before anything if he tried 130 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: to drag me out or something like that. Because I 131 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: caught it and he also had his hand on the boss, 132 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure you know that I've definitely 133 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: got my feet in, you know, so it'll be a touchdown. 134 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: Calb regardless, the Bengals had an eight point lead with 135 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: five forty five left in the third quarter, plenty of 136 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: time for Baltimore to stick with the running game, and 137 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: that's what the Ravens did with the combination of Jackson 138 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: and a two hundred and thirty eight pound undrafted rookie 139 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: out of Rutgers named Gus Edwards. Second and three for 140 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: the Ravens at the eleven yard line, tenth play of 141 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: the drive for Baltimore, Sneed goes in motion. It's a 142 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: handoff to Edwards, breaking through tackles and taking it into 143 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: the end zone for a piece of cake touchdown eleven 144 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: yards for Gus Edwards. Hardy Nickerson Whift on an early 145 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: tackle attempt. Edwards added a two point conversion run to 146 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: tie the game at twenty one, and finished with one 147 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen yards on seventeen sledgehammer carries. Most football 148 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: fans have never heard of the guy, but Vinnie Ray 149 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: had no about him. I'm no about him since for 150 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: a long time, since he was like in grade school. 151 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: He's from New York City, so I've been known about him. 152 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: He's a tough guy, runs hard, big guy. The game 153 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: was tied going to the fourth quarter when the Ravens 154 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: drove fifty five yards on ten runs and only two passes. 155 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: It led to a twenty four yard field goal by 156 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: Tucker and a twenty four twenty one lead. The Bengals 157 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: answered with a nice drive of their own, highlighted by 158 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: a thirty two yard pass to Tyler Boyd on third 159 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: and twelve, but the drive stalled at the Ravens thirty 160 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: three and Randy Bullock is not justin Tucker. He missed 161 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: a fifty five yard field goal wide right that would 162 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: have tied the score. The offense put us in position 163 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: to get to kick there, and we got to, you know, 164 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: how to make the kick. That's part of it, you know, 165 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: and it's unfortunate that Randy missed a kick there. The 166 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: Bengals had one more chance, getting the ball at their 167 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: own ten yard line with two forty five to go. 168 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: The situation was eerily similar to last New Year's Eve, 169 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: when the Bengals got the ball at their own ten 170 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: with two forty three to go and drove ninety yards 171 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: to beat the Ravens on Andy Dalton's forty nine yard 172 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: touchdown pass to Tyler Boyd, but with aj green out, 173 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: the Ravens put two defenders on Boyd, and on fourth 174 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: and three, Dalton threw instead to Cody Kor. It hit 175 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: him in the hands for what could have and probably 176 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: should have been a first down, but Kor failed to 177 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: make the catch and the Ravens ran out the clock 178 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: for twenty four twenty one win. Here's Tyler Boyd. We 179 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: got to win now. We can't. We can't, can't. We 180 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: can't take no more loss. If we want to be 181 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: great and we want to go to the postseason, then 182 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: we gotta win. In Marvin Lewis's first game since taking 183 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: over defensive coordinator duties, the Ravens rushed for two hundred 184 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: sixty five yards on fifty four carries, the most rushing 185 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: yards the Bengals have given up in marvin sixteen years 186 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: as head coach. Baltimore added one hundred and fifty passing 187 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: yards for a grand total of four h three, but 188 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: the Bengals did hold Baltimore to twenty four points, eight 189 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: less than teams ravaging against Cincinnati going into the game. 190 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: Not exactly defensive dominance, but there was improvement with Marvin 191 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: calling the shots. According to linebackers Hardy Nickerson and Vinny Ray, 192 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: I think he did he did a good job today, 193 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, getting us the calls. We're coming to the sideline, 194 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: we're talking about stuff where we're making adjustments, and then 195 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: we're you know, the adjustments are working. So it's it's 196 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: one of those things where I think he's he's going 197 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: to be more comfortable next week. But to not do 198 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: this since when two thousand and two or something like that, 199 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: and to come out on call plays, I thought he 200 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: did a hell of a job. I love going out 201 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: there and playing for him, you know, I know he's 202 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: in the fight there with us. He's right there on 203 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: the field, and so we gave all Vontes goes out there. 204 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: He's not even one hundred percent going out there fighting 205 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: for every tooth and mail. Up next another rookie quarterback, 206 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: number one overall draft pick, Baker Mayfield and the Cleveland Browns. 207 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: Now time to bring in my broadcast partner Dave Lapham 208 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: for postgame analysis, and we begin with the Bengals getting 209 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: run over. Gus Edwards had fifteen carries for sixty four 210 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: yards on the season. Today he had seventeen four hundred 211 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 1: and fifteen six point eight a carry seventeen yard long, 212 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: and he had that touchdown run where he ran through everybody. 213 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson confidence with twenty seven rushes one hundred and 214 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: seventeen yards four point three year carry twenty one yard average. 215 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: They average four point nine per rush, fifty four rushes 216 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: of the football twenty sixty five yards. They only ran 217 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: at nineteen times. It was the opposite in the first game. 218 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: They threw at fifty five and ran at twenty two. 219 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: They just turned the tables and put the Bengals in 220 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: a meat grinder. Put that running game. And then on 221 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: the other side, Bengals had sixteen carries for forty eight yards. 222 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: You take away Andy Dalton's twenty yards scramble. Fifteen carries 223 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: for twenty eight yards less than two yards a pop. 224 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: Not going to beat anybody running the ball like that, 225 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: particularly when the other team is rushing him down to 226 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: your throat for two hundred and sixty five yards. So 227 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: the difference in today's game was the running game. For 228 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: the first time in the Marvin Lewis era. Against Baltimore, 229 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: he lost the game where he was plusing the turnover department. 230 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: They were plus one and they had a fourth down stop, 231 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: so two of the drives for the Ravens didn't end 232 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: in a kick and that kept him in the game. 233 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: If not for those getting short fields out of those, 234 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: the Bengals would have been in real trouble. So you know, 235 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: there's miles to go before they arrest in terms of 236 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, staying in your gap, coming off the blocks, 237 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: making tackles, and Jackson, even when he was in the pocket, 238 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: bought time with his quick feet. You know, he doesn't 239 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: see the field well. If you take away the running 240 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: game and make him throw it, he's going to struggle. 241 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: There's no question about it. Bengals couldn't do that today. 242 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: They didn't make him one dimensional. A team that's going 243 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: to be able to make him one dimensional is He's 244 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: going to have his issues. But you know, I think 245 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco is more of an NFL quarterback than he 246 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: is right now. But boy, I would not hesitate to 247 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: use him more in the wildcat and run the wildcat, 248 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: not just in the red zone. I'd run the wildcat 249 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: anywhere you want to run the wildcat, just to change 250 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: the temple of the game as a as a as 251 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: an offset to Joe Flacco what he does stand in 252 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: the pocket and throwing the ball down the field. Laugh, 253 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: the Bengals are the first team to face Lamar Jackson 254 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: as a starter at the NFL level. Was that a 255 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: disadvantage for the Bengals? You know, I think that it 256 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: was a little bit. Dan and I think Marty morning Wig, 257 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator who had Michael Vick at Philadelphia, and 258 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: Greg Roman, who basically is the assistant head coach and 259 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: coaches the tight ends. He had Colin Kaepernick with the 260 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: forty nine ers, so they had an understanding, I think, 261 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: of what to do with the infancy stages of Lamar Jackson. 262 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: But the Bengals had stopped the run with any modicum 263 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: of success, it might have been a whole different ball 264 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: game because I'm not sure he could have executed the 265 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: passing attack that they wanted executed. I mean, when he 266 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: had to throw the football, he was holding the ball, 267 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: running around, creating, trying to create opportunities. He looked like 268 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: Johnny Man's eldom. He had Texas A and m you know, 269 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: just that's hard to pass protect for a guy like that. 270 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: But he extended a lot of plays and he made 271 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: plays when he had to. But I mean that running 272 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: game was just was just dynamic, and you got to 273 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: tip your cap to them, for sure. And I think 274 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: the Bengals knew that that was gonna what was gonna unfold, 275 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: and I think they're probably bitterly disappointed that they didn't 276 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: do a better job of making him one dimensional and 277 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: have to throw the football. They had maybe three series 278 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: after the first touchdown drive where oh, it looks like 279 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: now they're gonna handle, But then the Ravens adjusted to 280 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: the adjustments and off they went again. Lap It was 281 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis his first game since taking over as defensive 282 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: coordinator for Terrell Austin. Did you see improvement with are 283 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: in calling the defense. I think the biggest progress I 284 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: saw were the guys I think felt more confident in 285 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: what they were supposed to do and how they were 286 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: supposed to do it. I didn't see any personnel issues, 287 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: running guys on and off the field like a fire drill, 288 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: and you know, just barely getting guys in in time, 289 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: and then you know, getting to the line of screams, 290 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: not even getting lined up, looking at each other like 291 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: you know, what's the call, what's the final verdict, and 292 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: then boom, the ball snapped and you're on your heels. 293 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: I didn't see that. I thought, you know that the 294 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: management part of that was a heck of a lot 295 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: better managing personnel substitutions and getting calls in early enough 296 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: where guys could communicate and all that. But man, they're 297 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: going to do a much, much, light years better job 298 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: beating blocks, getting off blocks, and tackling people. I mean, 299 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: they're still horrendous tacklers on the defensive side of the football. 300 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: When the Bengals beat Baltimore back in Week two, Aj 301 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: Green cut three touchdown passes. Tyler Eifford was still healthy 302 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: back then. I kind of have the feeling that if 303 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: Aj Green had played today, the Bengals might have won 304 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: the game. But that's meaningless. He didn't, but clear they 305 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: need him back to make a playoff run down the stretch. Yeah, 306 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: there's no question. I mean, when AJ's in the game, 307 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: the vertical passing game, you know, was there. I thought 308 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: today for the most part, it was a horizontal passing game, 309 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, just stretching it. I thought the Ravens stretched 310 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: the field horizontally with their running game. The Mengals are 311 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: trying to do with their passing game a little bit. 312 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: They didn't. John Ross did make a good play on 313 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: a deep ball. He found the football and Humphrey didn't. 314 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: But you know that those were few and far between, 315 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: and Tyler Boyd's finding out what it's like to be 316 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: a primary target now in a passing game. And I 317 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: agree with you. I mean, you know, in that first game, 318 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: every tight end had two catches and more in that 319 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: football game. Ifford had a couple, Croft had a couple. 320 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: You know, CJ. Zama had three. So that multiple tight 321 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: end package was starting to really show not only running 322 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: the football but throwing it. Now they're all on inje reserve. 323 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: So with that particularly effort out and AJ Green out, 324 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: this offense looks so much different than the offense played 325 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: Thursday night in Week two at Paul Brown Stadium. I 326 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: mean AJ Green had three touchdown catches in less than 327 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: seventeen minutes. You know, those first three catches were all touchdowns. 328 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: And yeah, he's obviously he's the best player on that 329 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: side of the football. When you're down your best player, 330 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 1: you're gonna feel it. I don't know if Justin Tucker 331 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: is the best player for the Baltimore Ravens, but he's 332 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: the best kicker in NFL history. Randy Bullock missed a 333 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: fifty two yarder that could have tied it in the 334 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: fourth quarter. You're not going to have a high percentage 335 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 1: from fifty plus, at least most kickers don't, but justin 336 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: Tucker does. He drilled a fifty six yarder at the 337 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: end of the half. Those three points turn out to 338 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: be the difference of the game. And in on that play, 339 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: Jackson's buying time scrambling around back there. The Bengals drop 340 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: coverage thinking that Jackson's gonna be sacked. You can't drop coverage. 341 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't do that. You just can't leave 342 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: your guy open. And maybe trying to go pressure the quarterback. 343 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: That's not your job. Other people are pressing on the quarterback. 344 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: Let them do their job. You stay with your job. 345 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: And that path allowed it to be a fifty six 346 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: yard fieldal opportunity, and Tucker, you know, made him pay. 347 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: He was two for two from fifty and beyond. And 348 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: uh the Bengals were oh for one and in a 349 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: three point game. That's that's the difference in the football game. 350 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: But there there are a lot of a lot of reasons. 351 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: You know, they lost the football game. The kicking game 352 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: you know, being won. But I mean, to get out 353 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: rushed like they got out rushed. I mean that's that's 354 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: basically high school mispatches when you look at that kind 355 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: of rushing, you know, or Alabama playing in Division two 356 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: or something like that. At the collegiate level, you don't 357 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: see that kind of disparity very often in the National 358 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: Football League. In today's NFL, teams don't run it fifty 359 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: five times, you know, for two hundred and sixty five yards. 360 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: But the Ravens did what they had to do. And 361 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: I give him credit. I mean, the offensive line knew 362 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: they had to run block the best they've ever done it, 363 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: and they had a one two punch George Edwards. Who 364 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: the heck is George Edwards sixty four yards rushing on 365 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: the season. He stepped up and he had his coming 366 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: out party today, and uh as did Lamar Jackson. As 367 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: a runner at the quarterback position, He's still far from 368 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: being anywhere near polished as a pastor. Thanks Lap. Up 369 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: next the Cleveland Browns, who had to buy this week, 370 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: and we'll come to Paul Brown Stadium with a record 371 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: of three six and one. We'll see if Hugh Jackson's 372 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: knowledge of his former team helps the Bengals beat the 373 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: Browns for the eighth consecutive time. Now time for this 374 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: week's fun Facts segment, where you get to know the 375 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: person under the pads, in this case, the third of 376 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: the Bengals three fifth round draft choices this year. Time 377 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: for some fun facts with Bengals rookie Darius Phillips from Detroit, Michigan. 378 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: From the heart of the city or from the suburbs 379 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: the heart of the city, tell me a little bit 380 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: about growing up in Detroit. Growing to Detroit's kind of 381 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: I'll say as a while, but it's kind of. It's 382 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: really like depending on who you surrounds us off with. 383 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: You know a lot of people branch off like going 384 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: to high school, middle school, so you surround up with 385 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: some people that want to want to do succeed in life, 386 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: where he surrounds of some people that want it that don't. Luckily, 387 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: you'll surrounded myself with with people that want that wanted 388 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: to help me get to the next level and go 389 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: to college. For some of your favorite athletes going out, 390 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: I was into basketball before I got into football, so 391 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: I'd say Lebron James m Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook. Then 392 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: when I got into football, probably switched over to like 393 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson receivers. Now I played offense for I started 394 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: playing defense, so it was mostly receivers. I didn't when 395 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: you look at DBS. We're doing fun facts with Darius 396 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: Phillips and any brothers and sisters. Um, yes, I have 397 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: one biological sister and I have um three guy sisters 398 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: and two god brothers. So I have I'll say my 399 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: immediate family is small, but my extended family is bid. 400 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: Sounds took a big group rooting for you though. Yeah. Come, 401 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: they come to almost every game. I think last week 402 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: was the first game they missed. Talking to Darius Phillips, 403 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: I went to Syracuse. My broadcasting partner, Davel Appam went 404 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: to Syracuse. You almost went to Syracuse, right, Yeah, that 405 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: was actually my first, um, my first offer coming out, 406 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: it was Syracuse. Uh, Wheely went to Robshaw and he 407 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 1: was coaching the Tyrone week then he was coaching there. 408 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: Then I guess the coaching staff at Syracuse got hired 409 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: believe for the Bills. Correct, Moron went to the Bill. Yeah. 410 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: So then when they went to the Bills, Um, they 411 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: didn't pull my scholarship, but the coach coming in he 412 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: didn't like contact me, So I just decommitted. You wound 413 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: up at Western Michigan instead in Callamazoo, Michigan. Was that 414 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: a little bit of a culture shock going from Detroit, 415 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: the heart of the city, to callama Zoo. Um. I 416 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: want to say it was a coaching shock, just because 417 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: I don't know Detroit wild. But I wasn't into like 418 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: all of all of while stuff, So when I went 419 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: down there, it was just I say, they were more friendlier. 420 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: So that probably was more the most shocking thing that 421 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: was friendly. People's friendly. As you mentioned you worldwide receiver. 422 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: You played wide receiver there your freshman year. Could you 423 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: have made the NFL as a wide receiver? Me? Just 424 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: because of me? I would say yeah, But Coach Fleck 425 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: put me into the office several times telling me if 426 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to make to the NFL, I would have 427 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: to switch. And eventually he made this decision and I 428 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: couldn't be more happier. Now it certainly worked out well. 429 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 1: But did you resisted at first making the switcher your 430 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: sophomore year to the the cornerback? Um? Y'all resisted? Um? Because 431 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: when I first found out Donald sellerscar he was leaving. 432 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: He was leaving. We had a spot opening. We was 433 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: at a basketball game and he came to me and Toby. 434 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: They was gonna switch me to the the corner, and I 435 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: didn't want to do it. First day, I think it 436 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: was winner conditioning. They hit me down there with the 437 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: corner trying to backpedal. I couldn't do none of that, 438 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: so they excused me back to the corner, I mean 439 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: the receiver. Then I would say, like a week later, 440 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: sushed me back to the corner. When you were a 441 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: junior in Western Michigan, you were a key member of 442 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: a team that went thirteen at old and made it 443 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: to the Cotton Bowl before losing to Wisconsin. Best four 444 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: months of your life? Um? Yeah, I'll say it was 445 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: the best for my months of my life. Um. Still 446 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: keep in contact with a lot of them guys, and 447 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: it was just we was just I'll said. The thing 448 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: that was different from that team, we were just close family. 449 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: You know. The culture was we knew he was gonna 450 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: go out and win. We knew we was everybody's gonna 451 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: do the job, and we just got it done. You 452 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: hold an NCAA record for return touchdowns with twelve, five 453 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: kick returns, five pick sixes, a punt return, and a 454 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: fumble return. It's got to be pretty cool to hold 455 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: an all time college football record. Um, yeah, I think 456 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: it's pretty pretty cool. But I don't. I don't really 457 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: tell anybody, so I don't think nobody on the team. No, 458 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't be going around just telling people 459 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,959 Speaker 1: that I do. But it's it's a compliment for me 460 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: and myself and my family just knowing that I got 461 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: a record in such a great game in Cuba football. 462 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: You need me to go walk around the locker room 463 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: right now and send your praises. People should know that 464 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: that's incredible. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just quiet, quiet person, So 465 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: I don't really do that, all right. Darius Phillips doesn't 466 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: brag about himself, so I'll do it for him. You 467 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 1: played in the MAC, but some of your biggest games 468 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: happened when Western Michigan took on big name schools. One 469 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: hundred yard kick return against USC, one hundred yard kick 470 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: return against Chicken Stayed. Did you look at those games 471 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: as an opportunity to prove what you could do? Whenever 472 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: we played big schools, I always had a chip on 473 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: my shoulder just because I didn't get the offers from 474 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: the big schools. And just during the week we are 475 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: just here. Oh yeah, we're gonna, they're gonna, We're gonna 476 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: blow them out that week because we was in the MAX. 477 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: So I just took pride in and planning the MAC 478 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: and going out and and showing that as talent in 479 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: any conference, no matter what conference you're win. Darry she 480 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: lost her mom far too soon before your senior year 481 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: of college. How did you cope. I'll just say, just 482 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: surrounding myself with my teammates saying and my family and France, 483 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: you know, just them keeping their hands around me and 484 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: just trying to stay focused for her. My sister just 485 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: had a niece and I mean a daughter, so my 486 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: niece and just trying to be a positive road out 487 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: of her life fan so show her it's different parts 488 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: of life, just being in Detroit. So you're drafted by 489 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: the Bengals in the fifth round this spring. Describe your 490 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: draft experience. It was tough coming into the draft. I 491 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: mean the road to the draft just because I had 492 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: bumps and bruises that was from the previous season, so 493 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't really do nothing at the combine, couldn't do 494 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: nothing at the Singer Bowl. Then I finally got to 495 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: UM I guess compete at the pro day and I 496 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: went in there and did everything I can. Then got 497 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: the call. All my family gets up in Klimuzoo, so 498 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: we're all happy and celebrated that day. Then I just 499 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: went back to training. I guess like two or three 500 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: days later is that phone call from the Bengals the altimat. 501 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: It happened when I was downstairs in my rooms and 502 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: everybody was upstairs, so and nobody really knew. I just 503 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: went when they called me, I had just went upstairs 504 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: and just turned the TV. There was already playing it. 505 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: I just turned it up, and when it happened, everybody 506 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: just surprised. They didn't know that I had talked to somebody. 507 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: Now you pretended you didn't know already. Yeah, you went 508 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: upstairs and sat down. Were still later, So then when 509 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: they called my name, it got loud and were just 510 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: happy to celebrated a few more fun factor Darius phill Ups, 511 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: You're not extremely wealthy yet, but for a young man 512 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: right out of college, you're doing pretty well. Did you 513 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: splur join anything, did you treat yourself to anything? After 514 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: he signed to the Bengals. The only thing I would say, 515 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: I treated myself too as the car UM. That's the 516 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: only thing I already explores out of the car where 517 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: you get UM? I got a twenty eighteen challenging and well, 518 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: everybody now telling me I'm gonna need something different for 519 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: the winning up here, So I gotta see what I 520 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: gotta do to get a different car or a different 521 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: tire or something. If you could meet anybody in history, 522 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: who would it be. I don't know, probably Thomas Jefferson, 523 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: Thoma Jefferson, probably either him or elba Ostin, just to 524 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: figure out how they how they minds were. Oh no, 525 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: all right, you're off the hot seat. Appreciate the time, 526 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: best of luck the rest of the year. Thank you, 527 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: appreciate it. And that's going to do it for this 528 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: episode of the podcast. If you haven't done so already, 529 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: don't forget to subscribe on iTunes, Stitcher, or pod Bean 530 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: and give it a rating or leave a comment. 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