1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: That's too kind of iconic movies that you're You're got 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: a hand in here right back to back. Yeah yeah, 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: two big eighties franchises that I've got to do. Like 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: would tell people, like if I could tell my fourteen 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: year old self that I was going to be in 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: a Fletch movie and a top Gun movie, my fourteen 7 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: year old self's head would have fallen off. Hi. I'm 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: John Handon and I'm very happy to be here. Hello everybody, 9 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: and yes I'm here. So that means it's time for 10 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: a brand new episode of Off the Beat. As always, 11 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Brian baum Gartner. Today you just heard. 12 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: I am so excited to be interviewing another icon of 13 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: the TV industry. You know him, you love him, We 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: all know him, the amazed John Ham. I mean, what 15 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: can I say about John. He's hilarious, he's handsome, and 16 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: he has truly had one of the most amazing careers 17 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: in the game. You may know John from his iconic 18 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: portrayal of the always dapper Don Draper, or maybe as 19 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: Reverend Richard Wayne Gary Wayne in The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. 20 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: I mean, he's done at all from teaching our very 21 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: own Ellie Kemper in high school. That's right. There are 22 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: people out there who got to have John Ham as 23 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: a high school drama teacher to his latest pursuit of 24 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: playing the nineteen eighties detective of his fourteen year old dreams. 25 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know why I'm building him up. 26 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: You know who he is. I know you love him, 27 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: as do I. So let's bring him on, shall we? 28 00:01:52,200 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: The incredible John hamb I love it, Bubble and Quaker 29 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: bubble and Quaker cookie at every moment left over from 30 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: the natty people. What's up? John? There he is. How 31 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: are you? I'm good man, How are you? I am 32 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: so well. It's so good to see you. It's been 33 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: a long time. It has been a minute. It's been 34 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: a minute, I think the last time. Maybe not the 35 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: last time, but uh, that I heard from you. You 36 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: were you were looking through my house when I wasn't home. Yes, 37 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: that that should be explained. I think we can just 38 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: leave it at that. Actually all right, No, I heard. 39 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: I got home. I was like, oh, John Hann was 40 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: there your house today? And I was like, what did 41 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,399 Speaker 1: he go through my underwear drawer? Why was he? Why 42 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: was he in there? T? D. T. B D. I 43 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 1: see you have the is that the Burrows High School shirt? There? Yes, 44 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: indeed John Burrows High School. St. Louis, Missouri, home and 45 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: alma mater of myself and one Ellie kemper As. You know. 46 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: That's right, so you I want to talk about that 47 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: in a second. But you grew up in St. Louis right, 48 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: born and raised St. Louis, Missouri. Yes, indeed, do you 49 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: go back often? I wouldn't say often, especially obviously during 50 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: the pandemic it was difficult, but you know, a couple 51 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: of times a year for various functions and whatnots and 52 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: my sister's both have grown up kids, so now they're 53 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: starting to have kids. So it's that kind of thing 54 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: or an occasion or a function. But other than that, 55 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: it's I just don't get back that much. Yeah, but 56 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: you still root for the sports teams, I know the Blues, Yes, 57 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: that very much. I do. I've root for the teams. 58 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: I'm excited for baseball season. This is all happening. So 59 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: it's all happening. Um, you didn't really get into acting 60 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: until college, is that right? I mean, yeah, I wasn't 61 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: a child actor or anything like that, but I did 62 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: you played Winnie the Pooh. I did, Yes, I did, 63 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: thank you very much. It was excellent. That was in 64 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: first grade. And then I did do some acting throughout 65 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: high school, but it was more of a college thing. 66 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: I got a scholarship to do it, which was very cool. 67 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot of money, so that was 68 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: a nice little way to augment my income or pay 69 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: my bills. So yeah, So that that was at MISSOO. 70 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: That was sort of the beginning of me being accepted 71 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: as someone who could believably put a wig on and 72 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: make people laugh or not. Is that what you like 73 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: to do? Make people laugh when you started? Or did 74 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: it not matter? I don't know. It kind of didn't matter. 75 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: I really liked saying other people's words. I really liked plays, 76 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: and I really liked reading things out loud, and I 77 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: enjoyed the idea of interpreting people's words. And then like, 78 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: when it became sort of a profession, I was like, WHOA, 79 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: if you actually put some effort into this, this can 80 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: be even more fun. Right. You went back to John 81 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: Burrows High School and you taught drama for a while. 82 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: As you mentioned, you taught Ellie Kemper in school. Now 83 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: when you went back there to teach a drama, Did 84 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: you think that was it for you? Or was that 85 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: just a step. I was twenty four years old, so 86 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: I was pretty young still, and I was like, Okay, 87 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: this is like a job and a job that I'm 88 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: excited to do and I really wanted to do for 89 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: various reasons, most of which I had to do with 90 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: the school that I went to. As you can probably 91 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: tell some some wearing a T shirt and sitting in 92 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: a chair that has the crest on it is pretty 93 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: important to me in my life. And I was like, 94 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: I really understood that this school gave a lot to me, 95 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: right therefore, I wanted to be able to give something 96 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: back to it, which I have done in the course 97 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: of my career. As it is taken off, I've done 98 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: a lot more. But at that point I was like, well, 99 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: what I can really do is actually go back and 100 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: teach and try to download some of my vastly accrued 101 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: knowledge at twenty four to to these this next generation. 102 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: And you know, I had some really great students. Ellie 103 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: was one of them. You know, Ellie even back when 104 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: she was fifteen years old and she was like a 105 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: ninth grader, was just a hard worker and I real 106 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: not competitive, but like achievement oriented spirit like, so I 107 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: was like, oh, you're gonna be just fine, like you're 108 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: you're a good kid, and you get it. And and 109 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: she really liked acting and it was really fun for her. 110 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: You could tell all of my kids that I had, 111 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: except for the eighth graders, were all like they all 112 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: chose to be in this class. So it was kind 113 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: of like, well, if you didn't want to be here, 114 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have picked it. So and it was in 115 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: brov and it was acting, it was scene study, and 116 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: it was all that stuff. And I did it for 117 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: a year and it was really fulfilling and fun and 118 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: I very much enjoyed it. But no, it was It 119 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: was not a thing that I was like, Oh, this 120 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: is be the rest of my life. I'm gonna get 121 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: married and have kids and I'm gonna settle in St. 122 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: Louis and live five minutes from where I grew up. 123 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: And I was like, I think I want to try 124 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: something else, right, I have to go back on that 125 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: for a second. You remember Ellie like you remember her 126 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: as a student. Yeah, and her sister carry too. Yeah, 127 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: of course I remember all my kids like for for 128 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: the most part, but yeah, no, I definitely remember Ellie. 129 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: She was She was just a really hard working, diligent, 130 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: a cheap and oriented student who was very It was great. 131 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: Like honestly, as a teacher, you're like, those are the 132 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: kids that you only want, right So when did you 133 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: reconnect with her? Do you remember seeing her again? Or yes, 134 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: I do. She show it to college. That was five 135 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: years later, and I was out here in l A. 136 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: I had probably been working. I'm not sure if I 137 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: was on Madman by that point, but she, I remember 138 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: emailed me and said, I'm coming out. I went to 139 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: this and I did this, and I've been doing this 140 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: UCB and blah blah blah, and I'm coming out and 141 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: I'm doing my one person show at UCB Theater. And 142 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, that's awesome. That's like 143 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: five minutes away from my house. I'd love to come 144 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: see it. That sounds great. And so I did. And 145 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: I came backstage after the show and I was like, 146 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: you were really great. That was awesome, you know it 147 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: was there were twenty people in the audience, and She's like, Oh, 148 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I got it. I have an audition 149 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: tomorrow for the Office, and I said, well, I think 150 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: you're going to get it because you are perfect for 151 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: that show and this is like a perfect showcase for you. 152 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: And the rest is history. That is crazy. Suffice to say, 153 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: I do remember when I saw her. You do remember her? 154 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: I I assume you were asked. I don't know if 155 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 1: by her. How did it come to be that, Well, 156 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: you played her captor then on Kemi Schmid years later. 157 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: I did you keep in touch before then? Well? Yeah, 158 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: actually we had done Bridesmaids together, right, so we had 159 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: that sort of meeting again. And I remember being on 160 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: the red carpet for that movie and looking over at 161 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: Ellie and she caught my eye and I was like, 162 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: this is so weird, and we both kind of laughed, 163 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: and I think we gave each other hug and I 164 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: was just like, I can't believe you. I'm like standing 165 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: next to you on a red carpet at a major 166 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: motion picture that we're both in. That's going to be 167 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: a huge hit we didn't know at the time, but 168 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: going to be sort of a cultural touch point for 169 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: for many people. But it was nice, to say the least. 170 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: But yes, I had kept up with her, and obviously 171 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: because I knew a lot of you guys on the 172 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: Office too, So like people maybe don't know this, but 173 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: like you know, the the Awards Show kind of swirl, 174 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, had us in it for quite a few years, 175 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: us being Madman, and then also the Office and Dirty Rock, 176 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: and so we would see each other at a couple 177 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: of occasions every every year for quite a few years. 178 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: So I would run into her at those things, as 179 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: well as you and b J and Mindy and Tina 180 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: and Robert Carlock and all the thirty Rock gang. And 181 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: and that's when I did the stretch I did on 182 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: Dirty Rock after thirty Rock. And that's when Tina and 183 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: Robert said, Hey, we're kicking around this idea. We really 184 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: wanted to develop this thing for Ellie. Would you take 185 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: a look at it? Would you consider it? And I 186 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: was like, I don't know if I really want to 187 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: be a go back right into serious television. They're like, no, no, 188 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: you're in like one episode a year. I was like, oh, okay, 189 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: that's first of all, how dare you. Second of all, 190 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: let's stay let's take a look at it. And they 191 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: were like, well, let's let us come pitch it. To you, 192 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, okay. At that stage of it, 193 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: it was a pilot and the pilot was called Tooken 194 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: t o O kay N. I was like, okay, what 195 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: what and they're like, okay, you play a guy who 196 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: kidnapped for women and kept them in an underground bunker. 197 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: And it was literally like, let me finish. But it's funny, 198 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: It's like so I was like, I mean, I trust 199 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: you guys, but I mean really like a lot of 200 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: weird stuff had just come out about people, and I 201 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, man, I'm not sure I 202 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: find the funny in this. But then I read it 203 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, it's really funny, and it's 204 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: about the only way you get away with that is 205 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: by playing this person as a complete and utter buffoon 206 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: and totally out of the realm of believability. And it 207 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: was really fun. I mean, playing that guy was so 208 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: silly and so dumb, but so fun because it was 209 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: so like Robert Carlock, who wrote the majority of the 210 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: Reverend stuff, just got that dumb energy of like it's 211 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: it's not even toxic masculinity, it's just stupid masculinity. It 212 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: was really fun to do, and yeah, I mean it 213 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: went for forever and we got to do that really 214 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: fun Netflix choose your own adventure kind of thing. Yeah, 215 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: it was really great. I was really really pleased with 216 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: how it grew and how it ended and how it 217 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: developed Titus character and Carol Kane's character. Like it was 218 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: just like the best of shows, like your show. It 219 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: became like watching a family grow, and like we watched 220 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: the characters kind of go through their own stuff and 221 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: you watch them figure their own stuff out, and by 222 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: the end of it there better. Yeah, well said, so 223 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: let's go back your teaching at John Burrows. When did 224 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: you make the decision that you needed to go to 225 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: l A. I remember they had asked me to consider 226 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: doing another year at school, um, and I was like, well, 227 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, guys, Like I think I wanna try 228 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: to see what can happen with this. And I just 229 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: remember having this thought of like, well, I'm getting kind 230 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: of old. Yeah, I'm like getting a little long in 231 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: the tooth, which, by the way, nowadays is actually true. 232 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: Like if you're not famous by fourteen on TikTok, give 233 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: it up, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Don't please don't, And 234 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: also don't get famous on TikTok, but I was. I 235 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: just had a sense of like, well, if not now, 236 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: when And I could definitely see inertia settling in if 237 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: I didn't at least try. And I remember one of 238 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: my acting teachers a long time ago, even actually the 239 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: guy went and taught underneath at Burrows, said like, what's 240 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: the worst thing that can happen? If you try? You fail, 241 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: so then fail again and fail better. Yeah, okay, that 242 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: seems like a pretty good advice. And it is, like 243 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: it really is, like I really think, especially nowadays, and 244 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: especially how uncertain everything seems with the pandemic, with the 245 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: complete devastation of social norms as it seems over the 246 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: last few years, I think the idea of failing is 247 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: so terrifying to people, and and in reality you're kind 248 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: of like, and then you know what will happen, Like 249 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: you'll fail at something and then my son is gonna 250 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: rise and you're gonna get up and go get another 251 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: job or not, or you know you're gonna make it work. 252 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: It's an climbing mout everest every time. Sometimes it's just 253 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: walking up a hill and you just have to put 254 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:05,599 Speaker 1: one ft in front of another and then all of 255 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: a sudden you look back and you're like, look, how 256 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: far up come? This is actually impressive. I'm impressed with myself, right, 257 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: it is. You deserve credit, though, what do they say 258 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: A bird in a hand? Like leaving something, Especially when 259 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: you're in this business where it's so hard to get work, 260 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: it's difficult to leave. I mean you were twenty four, 261 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: I mean commed, I was working in the theater and 262 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I want to go to l A. 263 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: I want to go to l OH but I have 264 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: this job. It's really hard to say no, this is 265 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go to l A. 266 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: And leaving opportunities that you have is it's difficult. Well, 267 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: I think there are there are inflection points, right obviously, 268 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: and we all have them. Some of them happen earlier 269 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: for us and some of them happened later. And I 270 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: think the idea is in the best case scenario, and 271 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: I think you can probably attest to this as well, 272 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: having the ability to identify them. Right, So when you 273 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: get an opportunity, you say, Okay, this is an opportunity, 274 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: like I really want to take advantage of this, and 275 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: I remember God, I mean When I came out here, 276 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: I auditioned for everything and I got nothing. I was 277 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: an extra in the pilot of the TV show The Practice, 278 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: you know, I was up for Deep Impact. I didn't 279 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: get it. Jon Favreau got it. And it was just 280 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: one of those things of like coming so close to 281 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: something and not getting it's coming so close to something 282 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: and not getting it. And that happened over and over 283 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: and over and over again. And I had success, and 284 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: I had a couple of things that I got, and 285 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: it was kind of climbing up that hill of loose 286 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: gravel and sliding down and climbing back up and sliding down. 287 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: But then I remember when Madman came around. I was like, Oh, 288 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: this is like an inflection point. This is an actual 289 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: thing that I could really do and really do well. 290 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: And I think that I need to identify, like I 291 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: have to like call it out and I have to 292 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: be I have to get this. I just have to. 293 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: I'm not a big believer in the secret or you know, 294 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: manifesting your destiny or whatever that, but I was very 295 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: much aware that I really did in a way that 296 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: I hadn't identified any of these other opportunities or options 297 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: that I really thought this was right for me, that 298 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: I was going to be really good in this and 299 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: it was going to be really important. And so yeah, 300 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: that was when I was thirty five, so like there 301 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: was ten years between me coming out here and me 302 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: getting the thing that identified me to the greater population. 303 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: It is what it is, and you have to go well, 304 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: I have to identify those inflection points when they happen, 305 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: and and then take advantage when they when they present themselves. 306 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: I understand or I've heard that, like the Office mad 307 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: Men was specifically looking for unknown actors. Is that right? 308 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: Did you know that going in? I didn't know that 309 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: going in, because I remember going to quite a few 310 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: auditions and seeing everybody signing in and recognizing quite a 311 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: few of the names on the signing sheet, and I 312 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: remember hearing that they had offered it to this person 313 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: and that person. Matthew has said, and I believe him 314 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: that he when he met me, knew that I was 315 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: the right person. And then had I think, had figured that, yes, 316 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: this would be a much better way for an audience 317 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: to perceive this show if they did not have a 318 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: celebrity or somebody recognizable in the title role, like if 319 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: it was Rob Low. Just to name a person as 320 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: Don Draper, it would have been the Robb Blow Show. 321 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: And that's that's exactly what he didn't want. He wanted 322 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,479 Speaker 1: it to be this show starring these people. And I 323 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: think that that delivered well. Certainly not being colored with 324 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: a specific personality. I mean it allows you to experience 325 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: the character and more authentically well. And also, you know, 326 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: it's one of the it's one of those things like 327 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: we just don't really have that. I mean, we're starting 328 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: to have it more. We didn't have it, I should 329 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: say back then. We have it a lot more now 330 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: when you see a show on Hulu or Netflix or 331 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: we have so many more of those now because the 332 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: selection and the choices are limitless at this point. You know, 333 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: it's not thirty one flavors. It's like thirty one thousand flavors. 334 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: So you can really dial into your specific palette. If 335 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: I can extend that metaphor. It's a strange world. And 336 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: I think Matt and I think Mike and Greg also 337 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: kind of got it. It was like, we can't have 338 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: super recognizable people, we can't stunt cast this thing. It's 339 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: not gonna work. And if the market is amenable to 340 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: letting people discover this in their own time, and we 341 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: were definitely beneficiaries of that. Yeah, you said you read 342 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: the role and you knew that it was for you. 343 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: Why what was it about the role that you saw 344 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: synonymous with yourself or knew that you were the perfect person. 345 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: That's a good question. I just I just felt it. 346 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: It's like Don was a kind of mysterious person. He 347 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: was a smart person, but not you know, traditionally, you know, 348 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: he didn't go to the all the right schools and 349 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: the right things. He just kind of was he kind 350 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: of knew people. That was Don's superpower was that he 351 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: knew people right. He could read people. I said this 352 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: about my father a lot, Like my dad could talk 353 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: to anybody and he could listen to them. That's what 354 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: I mean by talk to them. He wouldn't monologue at them. 355 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: He would like engage in a conversation with them. And 356 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: I always felt I had that gift, so that what 357 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: I identified with Don was that he was able to 358 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: without judgment, talked to kings and poppers in the same breath, 359 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: and that is a very good quality to have when 360 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: you're selling people things. Was there anything physical, anything physically 361 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: that you did characteristics of the character, did you Did 362 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: you see him in that way at all? I always 363 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: had a thing with Don that Don's suit, you know, 364 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: his his look was a suit of armor. So he 365 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: put this suit of armor on to go to battle 366 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: every day, right, And so when he didn't have that on, 367 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: if you watched the show, realized happened quite a few times. 368 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: But there was almost like a vulnerability that he exhibited 369 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: when he didn't have it on, and it rarely showed 370 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: when he had the armor on. And so, and it 371 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: was part of the hairstyle and everything, like he would 372 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: put his drag on to really become this character because 373 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: that's what he was playing. He was playing a character, 374 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: was playing Don Draper. That's people don't know that. I 375 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: knew that, but Matt told me that whole back story 376 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: before we shot the frame of film. So I knew 377 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: that this guy was living a double life when we 378 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: started it, and it was important for me to play 379 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: that but not play it obviously physically. That's what I 380 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: did consciously, and h I'm sure there were some subconscious 381 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: things that bled into it too. It's I mean, it's 382 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: it's almost encapsulated in the logo, right, there is such 383 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: a strength in casualness. That is a horrible way to say, 384 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: and I can't think of what I'm trying to say, 385 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: but there's such a passive strength with him. He has 386 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: so much power but is holding back. It's that classic 387 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: like the more you yell, the more you scream, the 388 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: louder you are, you actually don't have power, but when 389 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: you pull back, and I felt like you physicalize that 390 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: so well, and yeah, maybe it is when the suit 391 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: was on it I didn't really think about that before, 392 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 1: but that's really interesting. It's it's very true, Like you know, 393 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: it was. Matt and I would have conversations about this 394 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: all the time, and it was kind of like when 395 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: you're pitching of anything. If you're a writer pitching a project, 396 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: if you're an ad man pitching a concept, there is 397 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: a want or a desire to sort of like be 398 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: a showman and like do the things and do the 399 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: stuff and and sometimes that's warranted and sometimes it's not. 400 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: And so for Don I think his he realized at 401 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: a certain point if they've come into the show room, 402 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: like and this goes back to his days as a 403 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: first salesman when he meets Roger Stirling, if they've come 404 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: into the show room, they're ready to buy, you're already 405 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: halfway there. Your job is to convince them of the 406 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: other half. And the way he was written, and Matt 407 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: had such a good handle on this guy and writing 408 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: him this way. But he was very easy about getting 409 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: you the other of the way there. Come take my 410 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: hand and gonna walk you all the way across from 411 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: You're gonna sit down and you're gonna have this thing, 412 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: and then you're gonna say yes. It was seductive, It 413 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: was like smart, it was emotional, it was you know 414 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: the people point to the carousel speeches that but that's 415 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: that's what it was like. It was all of those things. 416 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: It was and and it was effective, and um, I 417 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: think those are good qualities, you know, salesman, not so 418 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: much in a husband or But that was what I 419 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: was just about to ask you, what for you those 420 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: moments that there were obstacles for Don where things were 421 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: more difficult, What was the most difficult aspect of that 422 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: for you to play? Well, you know, I wouldn't say 423 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: it was difficult. It was fun. And that's the fun 424 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: part of acting. Right. If it was just Don Draper 425 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: selling ads and winning all the time, it would be 426 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: a really boring show, right, And so that part of 427 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: it was the attractive part of it to me. Like, 428 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: my favorite part of the pilot episode is when he 429 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: comes home and you're like, this guy's got life and kids, Like, 430 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: oh shit, right, everything I thought of the first forty 431 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: eight minutes of this show is wrong. I just love 432 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: that reveal, and and I just thought it was really elegant. 433 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: I thought it was really great from a dramatics jet 434 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: and devastating all of the things that you want from 435 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: from a drama and you're like, well, now I'm ready 436 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: for episode two. I'm ready for episode two through a hundred, 437 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: and we were so fortunate to get a chance to 438 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: do another indy two episodes of it. Yeah, well, it's 439 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: really interesting your show, along with Tony Soprano and the 440 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: Sopranos and Brian Cranston and Breaking Bad, that shows where 441 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: the lead character was the hero but had deep flaws 442 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: and obstacles to overcome. And I think that those three 443 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 1: shows specifically are so brilliant and so great because you 444 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: do find yourself rooting for and against these people. Well, 445 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: so right, it was the the era of the quote 446 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: unquote difficult man, I did not make that phrase up, 447 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: but I think my friend Allan's up and we all did. 448 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: But like it is true, there was this anti hero 449 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: kind of sensibility of the early aughts that was very evident, 450 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: and not only the three you mentioned. I think you 451 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: could probably point to the wire as well as as 452 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 1: well as a couple other things that was really evident. 453 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: You know the difference I think with our shows that 454 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: unlike Soprannos and Breaking Bad, like those shows had the 455 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: benefit of the stakes being life and death. So Tony 456 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: Soprano was a gangster, he could get whacked any minute. 457 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: Born grandson was a drug dealer, he could get whacked 458 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: any minute. Cops in the wire and then drug dealers 459 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: in the wire. Death was lurking around the corner, and 460 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: every minute our show was not. It was like maybe 461 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: that he's going to disappoint his wife again, or maybe 462 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: it's gonna he's not going to get the big account. 463 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: So the stakes were much more real and much more human, 464 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: and I think a lot more identifiable to more people. 465 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what it's like to think, oh, I 466 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: hope someone's that outside wanting to shoot me, But I 467 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: do know what it's like to be disappointed at work. 468 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: And I think that was kind of the magic that 469 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: our show actually had, which was making that those steaks 470 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: high enough to be dramatic. Yeah. Well, it's interesting that Matthew, 471 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, came from The Sopranos trying to find potentially 472 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: a more relatable or universal subject of home versus work 473 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 1: versus you know, having that conflict exists, that's maybe more 474 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: universal for people. For sure. Matt had written the script 475 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: for mad Men before he got the job on Sopranos. 476 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: That's in fact, David Chase read the script for mad 477 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: Men and said I want to meet this guy, and 478 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: that hired him on Sprantos. And so if you if 479 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: you actually go back and like watch Matt's episodes of 480 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: The Sopranos, you'll see the shared DNA, things about dreams 481 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: and things about signs and things about what does what 482 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: do things really mean? And what's the deeper meaning and 483 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: things and it's very philosophical and it's really smart, and 484 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: it's really emotional, and it's really effective as storytelling. And 485 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: that's you know, the Sopranos was David's milieu, right he 486 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: grew up in New Jersey. He kind of grew up 487 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: around these guys. This was his Bailey Wick and you know, 488 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: Mac grew up in Baltimore and then Beverly Hills and 489 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: like had a very different life and so very much 490 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: understood the overbearing mom and the issues that comes with 491 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: that from the sopranos point of view, and then understood 492 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 1: kind of the dynamics of marriage and what comes from 493 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: that and from our standpoint, and understood being a salesman 494 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: like he was a comedy writer and and had to 495 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: sell shows like he got it. So those are the 496 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: things that you bring to your work. If you're a writer, 497 00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: those are the things you bring to your work. If 498 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: you're actor, like, you bring your experience and you hope 499 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: it relates or resonates in some way. Yeah, that that's 500 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. Ultimately, it is finding your 501 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,959 Speaker 1: own experience and trying to translate it on a universal stage. 502 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: You do episodes seven eight years, much like The Office. 503 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: You guys, Uh, most of the cast is unknown before 504 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: that point. Do you think that that made it more 505 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: special for you when it was over or more difficult 506 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: to say goodbye? I mean, I think I don't care 507 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: how famous or not famous or known or unknown you are. 508 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: I think if you spend the better part of the 509 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: decade with anybody, it's hard to say goodbye. I mean, 510 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: I think that's that's the end of a lifetime for 511 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people. You know, that's the end, certainly, 512 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: the end of a long chapter of a lifetime. I 513 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: guarantee you had virtually the same experience that I did. 514 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: But it's hard to say goodbye to this part, right right. 515 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: You're never gonna say goodbye to those people forever. So 516 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: I still, you know, hear from them, keep up with them, 517 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: their careers, their lives, their children, and their families in 518 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: some way. It's obviously not in the way that it was, 519 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: but it's certainly in its own significant way. That's just 520 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: what it is. You know, it's just too long a 521 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: time to just ignore. I think, maybe more specifically what 522 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: I meant, you know, it's in a situation I think 523 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: where you have people who are established, it's never the 524 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: same as the first time, and it feels like like Madmen, 525 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: like the Office, it was sort of the first time, 526 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: big show, big experience, big success for everybody, basically, So 527 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: that's that's more I think. Yeah, I think that's true. 528 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's certainly different than being on 529 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: a movie where you you know, you're you're together intensely 530 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: for two months or whatever it is, and then your 531 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: peace out and you're onto the next one. Or it's different, 532 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, Like I was on a show on the 533 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: Lifetime network for three years and almost seventy episodes of 534 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: television and me and Taraji Henson and Bonnie Badelia and 535 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: Tracy Needham and Lisa Vidal and Nancy McKeon, and I 536 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: still know them, but I'm not like connected with them 537 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: in any real way because it was like, yeah, that 538 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: was a job. So yeah, it's like it's certainly a 539 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: strange thing and a specific thing, but it's also you're right. 540 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: I think you're You're very right in the sense of like, yeah, 541 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: that first real sense of being successful and something is indelible. Yeah, 542 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: you became so synonymous with Don Draper. Has it been 543 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: hard for you or have you actively tried to do 544 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: different work or do you not think about that? Yeah? 545 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: I mean I remember the show started in two thousand 546 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: We shot the pilot in two thousand four, was on 547 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: the year by two thousand five, two thousand and six, 548 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: we were picked up. So around two thousand seven eight nine, 549 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: that's when I like hosted SNL and was working on 550 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: thirty Rock. Was like, that's when I started to get 551 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: a lot of offers for jobs that were like, Hey, 552 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: this is a guy who's kind of a brooding guy 553 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: who smokes a lot of cigarettes and he wears a hat, 554 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: and like I was like, yeah, I kind of I 555 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: played that guy in my day job. Like, let's do 556 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: something different, And that's when I started working a lot more. 557 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: I had known a lot of the folks in the 558 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: comedy community for years, but that's when I started working 559 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: with them and they were inviting me to come play 560 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: in that sandbox. And that's when I did things like 561 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: Bridesmaids and Dirty Rock and San l and what have you. 562 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: So it was it was definitely a a decision to 563 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: pivot off. Let's not bang on the same piano key 564 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: for forever here, right, I asked, because it was always 565 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: so pleasurable to see you in something totally different, to 566 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: see you show up in Bride'smaids or thirty Rock or um, 567 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, eventually Kimmy Schmidt, and it's it was so 568 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: fun and it felt like at least it must have 569 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: been a choice either for yourself just to be to 570 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: have fun or you know, to want to pivot away 571 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: from that role that defined a network, that defined a 572 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: historic show. Yeah, I mean it was really nice to 573 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: have credibility in both kind of lanes. You know, you 574 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: usually asked weirdly enough as actors, you're and I think 575 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: now more than ever, you're like pickole a do the 576 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: one thing that you do and just just do that 577 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: unless you're you know, blessed. But I was really grateful that, 578 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: you know, Lord Michael's first of all asked me to 579 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: host s and now, and then off of that, Tina said, 580 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: is that guy? Is that guy funny? Is a kind 581 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: of a dud? And I was deemed to be funny 582 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: and then asked to go play with the cool kids 583 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: over Dirty Rock, and you know it just came got 584 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: to meet Amy Poehler, off of that, got to meet 585 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: Maya Rudolph, got to meet Kristin Wigg, got to meet 586 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: Jason sadik Has, got to meet Bill Hayter. The people 587 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: that I ended up working with and doing really fun 588 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: projects with, And it was like a good feeling. I'll say, 589 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: it's awesome. Confess Fletch coming up bringing back Chevy Chase 590 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: fletch from the eighties. Was that scary to you? Are 591 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: you just excited? For sure? You're a big fan of it? Yes, huge, 592 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,479 Speaker 1: huge seminal motion picture for me and Chevy's performance and 593 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: Chevy's career. He was so specific in his comedy and 594 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: is remains and I think is so particularly good in 595 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: that film, so us it was terrifying to actually say, Okay, 596 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna do it, but not like he did it. 597 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like do a Chevy Chase impression because 598 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: we already have that version. It's like doing a cover 599 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: version of a song. Like if you're going to cover 600 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: the Beatles, you better do it differently than the Beatles. 601 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: Otherwise it's just gonna pale in comparison. So do it differently. 602 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: And so that's what we set out to do and 603 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: we did. It's much more akin to the books, which 604 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: I was a big fan of. Like I saw the 605 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: film in when I was fourteen years old. I thought 606 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: it was the funniest thing I ever saw, and then 607 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: I realized, oh my god, there's ten more books. Like 608 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm so excited I get to read all these books. 609 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: And he goes to Rio and he does this thing, 610 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: and he does he gets in so many more capers. 611 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: It's so fun. And I was like, oh, man, like, 612 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: I hope they make all these movies. You know, this 613 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 1: was in the days of the early Star Wars days, 614 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 1: when you knew that there were nine more of these, 615 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: you had to wait four decades for them to come out. 616 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: We decided that we were like, Okay, look, we're gonna 617 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: do this, but we're gonna do it our way. We're 618 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: gonna make it a lot more like the books, and 619 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,959 Speaker 1: if people like it, we understand that there's a whole 620 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: two generations of people that probably they can rediscover it 621 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: if they want. And we made a really funny detective 622 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: movie that obviously shares the same character name and the 623 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,399 Speaker 1: same original source material to the film, but very little 624 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: else with it. But we're hoping that it's um fun 625 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: and funny, and we got to make it. We got 626 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: to make the movie we wanted to make. And Greg Mottola, 627 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: who I've worked with on several projects, I just love 628 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: his sensibility and his the way he works, and he 629 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: co wrote the script, and I was just like, I 630 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: want to make ten more of these. So if you 631 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: want to keep doing them. You'll be in the next 632 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: one if you want, Brian. It's like it's like, you know, 633 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: we just get to play in our our fun little 634 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: sandbox and hopefully they'll let us do more. I am 635 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: so excited to see it. For sure. I was a 636 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: big fan, and obviously you know I'm a big fan 637 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: of yours. So I can't wait to see your take 638 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: on it. When is it? When? When is it out there? 639 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: We don't know. We're it's it's an independent film, believe 640 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: it or not, like we made it like an indie 641 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: and you know, we have to find distribution and all 642 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: that stuff, which we're on track to do, but we 643 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: just haven't done it yet. So we'll see, we'll see that. 644 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 1: The good news is there's an awful lot of places 645 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: that that distribute movies. Now, yes, um top Gun, Um 646 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: top Gun. However, it will be in theaters. I think 647 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: that'll be everywhere. Right, Was that fun to do? I 648 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,320 Speaker 1: mean that's that's too kind of iconic movies that you're 649 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: you're got a hand in here, right back to back. Yeah, yeah, 650 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: two big eighties franchises that I've got to do, Like 651 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: would tell people, like if I could tell my fourteen 652 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: year old self that I was going to be in 653 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: a Fletch movie and a Top Gun movie. My fourteen 654 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: year old selves head would have fallen off. Yeah. Yeah, 655 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: I have lot of like high school friends and people 656 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,919 Speaker 1: from my youth that are like so jazzed for Top Gun. 657 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: It's hard for me to even process it. But yeah, 658 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: that'll be in in theaters Memorial Day weekend, whenever that 659 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: is worldwide. You'll be able to find it on a 660 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,919 Speaker 1: screen somewhere near you. It's an excellent film. I'm very 661 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,879 Speaker 1: proud of it. I was very pleased to work with Tom, 662 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: very very pleased to be asked to be a part 663 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: of that franchise Universe world however you want to say 664 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: it like walking around a set that has American flags 665 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: and fighter jets and aircraft carriers and I was like, 666 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: are you kidding me? You know, happy, happy to be here, 667 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: You're in awesome Alright, Last question, I've got to ask you. 668 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: When you are named as you normally are to some 669 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,240 Speaker 1: Sexiest Man Alive list, how does that make you feel 670 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: like proud? If you can put the video aspect of 671 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: this call on the air, you'll know that that's a 672 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: very subjective term. Uh, maybe it's the light or the angle. 673 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: But I've been looking at myself for the better part 674 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: of the last hour and I don't think I'm on 675 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: any of those lists. Um sure, obviously it's nice for 676 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: people to say nice things about you. I think it 677 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: all comes with a pretty healthy grain of salt, and 678 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 1: I think you know what I do too. I think 679 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 1: it's just do you take that with a grain of salt? John. 680 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 1: Until I make it on the list, it means nothing. Well, 681 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,439 Speaker 1: having gone through to bring it all back home, having 682 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: gone through your underwroad drawer, I realize that you're on 683 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 1: my list. Perfect. John. Thank you so much. You know 684 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: what a huge fan I am of yours and basically 685 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,439 Speaker 1: everything you do. There might have been that one thing 686 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: back in them late night, the division, you can say it. Yeah, 687 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: I didn't like that at all, But thank you so 688 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: much for taking the time and talking to me. It's 689 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 1: my pleasure. Brand It's always nice to talk to you, 690 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,760 Speaker 1: and my best to you and yours, and we'll talk 691 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: at a later day. Thanks John. Well you heard it 692 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 1: here first everybody, John Ham. Thanks. I am the sexiest 693 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: man alive, but at least I already knew that. John 694 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for stopping by. It is always a pleasure, 695 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 1: my friend. And thank you, yes you out there listening, 696 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 1: for tuning in. Don't forget to like and subscribe wherever 697 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts, and why don't you go give 698 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: us a follow on Instagram at Off the Beat, I'll 699 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: be seeing you next week with another incredible guest. This 700 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: time I will be talking to a person who is 701 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: both a talented actress and he classically trained ballerina. I 702 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: wonder that could be. But until then, go out there 703 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 1: and have a fan freaking tastic week. Off the Beat 704 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: is hosted an executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside 705 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:25,240 Speaker 1: our executive producer Langley. 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