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Speaker 1: Well, today we're going to talk about number one picks.

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Speaker 2: I think in the NBA and in bastball, there's really

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Speaker 2: nothing like the number one pick, and I think for

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Speaker 2: fans who get the number one pick, it's obviously the

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Speaker 2: really probably the best chance of getting a franchise altering player.

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Speaker 2: You would remember that, you would think, you remember those times,

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Speaker 2: you remember the draft, But I would argue that this

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Speaker 2: season before the process of getting that number one pick,

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Speaker 2: being so bad or being lucky enough to have a

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Speaker 2: trade that gets you, that is an experience. And we're

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Speaker 2: gonna go back. We're gonna look at the modern NBA.

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Speaker 2: So from Magic Johnson in nineteen seventy nine up until now,

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Speaker 2: modern the three point line, that's just what they that's

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Speaker 2: what they call it. So respect to Kareem abdul Jabar,

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Speaker 2: respect to Bill Warden, respect.

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Speaker 3: Digit dirty digit dirty, my bad, respect Dirty.

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Speaker 2: We're going to look at the modern NBA and ask

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Speaker 2: ourselves who were the five best number one pick of

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Speaker 2: all time? And I'm not talking about who was the

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Speaker 2: best player who had the best career for the team

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Speaker 2: that drafted them and what that player did for that franchise.

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Speaker 2: That's how we're going to quantify that who was the

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Speaker 2: best number one pick that did the most for the

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Speaker 2: franchise that drafted them, Who were the five best, and

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Speaker 2: then we're going to look at those five specific instances

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Speaker 2: and learn more about the process of how those teams

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Speaker 2: secured the number one pick.

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Speaker 3: Because it's a process.

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Speaker 2: It's a process, and it's an eventful process. So we're

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Speaker 2: going to break down. So we each independently came up

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Speaker 2: with our list of five. Can we agree that four

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Speaker 2: out of the five are pretty lockstep and non debatable?

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Speaker 3: We can. We can as far as on the forgotten

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Speaker 3: season size. You know, people like to argue, Dylan, you know,

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Speaker 3: severy five we put up here is gonna be misconstrued

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Speaker 3: and taking. Now, I'm just kidding. We trust our seas

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Speaker 3: will be yeah, yeah, but don't trust our forgotten seasons

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Speaker 3: fan best. We know this is a higher echelon of

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Speaker 3: basketball thinking. So yeah, but to each just it's gonna

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Speaker 3: be our five.

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Speaker 2: So let's start from number one. So let's start from

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Speaker 2: who we think the best was. What is your number

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Speaker 2: one overall, first overall pick in the modern NBA.

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Speaker 3: My overall number one pick goes to It has to

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Speaker 3: be my number one pick we can't do it in

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Speaker 3: any in any particular order. It has to be a

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Speaker 3: number one pick. It has to be my top guy,

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Speaker 3: number one overall. Already, there's no build up. I just

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Speaker 3: had to give straight to my number one overall guy.

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Speaker 1: Now we're gonna start. We're gonna start with number one.

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Speaker 3: I don't care how y'all feel about it. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: don't care how you feel about it. My number one

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Speaker 3: overall pick. I'm gonna have to go with the big

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Speaker 3: fella cause I'm going out there to Boston to kick

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Speaker 3: it with him in a minute. Anyway, just a couple

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Speaker 3: of hours here we on, you know, we on the

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Speaker 3: way to kick it with a big fella. So I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna go with Shaquille on oneal the number one pick

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Speaker 3: mental out for the NBA during this time. You know,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of changing other hands. I know there's

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Speaker 3: some magic Johnson and YadA, YadA YadA. But for how

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling right now, I'm gonna go with Shaquille onell

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Speaker 3: like at the head of eleven all.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Now finish off your list. Just go to

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Speaker 1: to five to the.

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Speaker 3: Fire, give me magic two, let me, get me me,

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Speaker 3: give me, give me Timmy at three. At four, M

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Speaker 3: gone gone. Let me dream me down. Let me dream

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Speaker 3: me down at four because of the titles and the

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Speaker 3: block shots and you know, the whole and then that

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Speaker 3: gonna have to go with. I mean, come on, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna have to go with Lebron. He double depth, he

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Speaker 3: second got out of there, but he came back in Cleveland. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so I'm gonna put he.

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Speaker 1: Broke their heart once, but he but he did come

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Speaker 3: Come on, come came home to come on. He was

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Speaker 3: in the streets when he came out. Got the the guy.

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Speaker 2: So your top five in order is Shack Magic, Tim Hakeem, Lebron. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so Shack, You're number one is the only one that

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Speaker 2: I don't have in the list. That to me, I'm

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Speaker 2: because he didn't even sign a second contract in Orlando.

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Speaker 2: He didn't basically didn't even give them a second date.

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Speaker 3: Then put them together and put him together.

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Speaker 2: So that's the one that I don't have at number one.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go, uh I'm gonna go. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: go Tim Duncan. Yeah, I'm gonna go Tim Duncan.

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Speaker 3: Number one, Fresh the Box, Rookie Year Championship, Fresh out

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Speaker 2: Pick number four, I'm gonna go Lebron And the only

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Speaker 2: reason he's not higher is because he did break up

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Speaker 2: on the breakup, the breakup comes with deductions. And then

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Speaker 2: number five, I'm gonna go Alan Iverson. I think what

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Speaker 2: he did for he coincided with the Sixers rebrand the

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Speaker 2: most iconic snapshots of a close up in NBA history.

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Speaker 2: He gave it all, put his life on the line

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Speaker 2: every night, he was playing forty three minutes tonight.

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Speaker 1: Brought them to a finals. So I'm gonna go Alan Iverson.

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Speaker 1: So those are our lists. So I think we start

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Speaker 1: with who.

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Speaker 2: We have in common and then we'll end with the

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Speaker 2: shack in magic again. I want to break down all

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Speaker 2: of these seasons. I want to examine who the tank

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Speaker 2: commanders are, the players that those teams brought in for

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Speaker 2: the season before they got to sell some tickets. They

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Speaker 2: got to make some highlight plays. But what they don't

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Speaker 2: want to do, Jelani. They don't want to win games.

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Speaker 3: They don't they don't want to win games, win games.

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Speaker 3: But you know what I mean, they got to make

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Speaker 3: it look good. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: they can't stack them up like that, Dylan.

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Speaker 2: And so this is going to be a journey through time.

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Speaker 2: We're going to learn about the history of tanking, which

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Speaker 2: we heard a lot in the last ten years, but

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Speaker 2: is in no means new. The NBA actually had made

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Speaker 2: some changes to prevent tanking. Some repeatable characters in these

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Speaker 2: seasons that come up in different years, different decades, in

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Speaker 2: different roles. Jim Paxson, don't forget the name Jim Packson.

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Speaker 2: He comes up twice twenty years apart, once as a player,

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Speaker 2: once as a general manager.

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Speaker 2: Up twice twice, comes up twice, once as a player,

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Speaker 2: once as a coach and general manager. Sneaky coach and

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Speaker 2: in the nineties. They handed John the keys and might

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Speaker 3: It happens when you got a you know what I

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Speaker 3: mean when you win the GM man and the coach.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people have crashed the whip like that

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Speaker 3: and be mad at John.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. We've all done it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we've all done it.

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Speaker 2: So starting, let's start with a Keem Hakeem Olajuwan number

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Speaker 2: one pick in the nineteen eighty four draft for the

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Speaker 2: Houston Rockets. Before we begin with that draft, this was

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Speaker 2: actually the second consecutive year that the Rockets got the

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Speaker 2: first overall pick. The year before Hakeem, they selected Ralph

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Speaker 2: Sampson out of Virginia. They formed the Twin Towers with

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Speaker 2: a team. So rewinding a little bit, they go to

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Speaker 2: the number one pick in two consecutive years, It's happened

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Speaker 2: three other times since then. Can you name those three?

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Speaker 2: Back to backs? Once in the nineties, that one's easy,

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Speaker 2: and then two more in the twenty tens. Back to

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Speaker 3: Once in the nineties, yeah, back to back overall picks.

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Speaker 2: The one they picked and traded and it's also a

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Speaker 3: I'm blanking like I'm.

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Speaker 1: A Orlando Shack Shack, Penny check and Weber in deepenning.

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Speaker 2: And then two more in the twenty tens. One of

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Speaker 2: the first one involves the one of the players you

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Speaker 2: said was one of the worst number one picks ever.

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Speaker 3: I said, I said, I named, I named quite a few.

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Speaker 2: Anthony Bennett, Anthony Bennett into Andrew Wiggins who was traded

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Speaker 2: for Kevin Love.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then we got the process sixers, Ben Simmons.

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Speaker 3: I was going to Ben Simmons yea, yeah, Markel did

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Speaker 3: have that. Yeah, I remember those too. That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I mean the magic by far, the Shack and are

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Speaker 2: you mad at the Actually we'll get to when we

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Speaker 2: talk about what we talk about Shaq the Weber for

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Speaker 2: Penny Tray. So the Rockets get the number one pick

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Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty three, they pick Ralph Sampson. The Ralph

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Speaker 2: Sampson hype, Like, what are we talking about. I know

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Speaker 2: of the history and evolution of big men, what did

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Speaker 2: Ralph Sampson represent.

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Speaker 3: Ralph Simpson was on that winby shit m you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, could put it on the floor, play

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Speaker 3: you know, Ralph Simpson was equivalent to almost like high

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Speaker 3: I would say that's wenby Ish. You know, he was

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Speaker 3: he can fill a lane and get it like shit finished.

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Speaker 1: Like track starship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying, that track star that long,

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Speaker 3: You know, dudes was in the karate and the body

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Speaker 3: started doing yoga and you know, and that too. Yeah

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Speaker 3: they do, you know a little bit of that too,

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Speaker 3: but you know what I mean, they put it together

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Speaker 3: Man changed. We mentioned Bill Walton, you know, the skills

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Speaker 3: and I think Ralph Sepsen was the preview of what

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Speaker 2: So they get Samson in his rookie year, he wins

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Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year, but they aren't any good. And

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Speaker 3: So what you're saying is they attached his pursuit of

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Speaker 3: Let me get they play Elvin Hayes forty eight.

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Speaker 2: Minutes, fifty three minutes into overtime, game, went into overtime,

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Speaker 3: But give me.

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Speaker 1: What's he giving you?

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Speaker 3: What's he giving you in those two games?

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Speaker 2: First that that that season he played eighty one games,

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Speaker 3: Weren't I might be able to do that right now.

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Speaker 2: He's giving you twelve a night. You know he's coming in,

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Speaker 1: So they lose nine out of their last ten.

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Speaker 3: Well you can do that when you just do what

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Speaker 2: The game was different back then. But but the Bionic

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Speaker 3: Since, respect been broken, But I ain't got.

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Speaker 2: The story gets even better maybe so Okay, they're in

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Speaker 2: It's down to Houston and the Portland Trailblazers. Keep this

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Speaker 3: So he's Jim Paxson is a two time All Star.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget about that on the that.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget about that later later.

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Speaker 3: Video game to Jim was cracking on the Trailblazers. I

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Speaker 2: This is the last draft lottery that was settled by

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Speaker 2: We've got David Stern from the NBA new commissioner, Larry Weinberg,

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Speaker 3: Damn, there's a deffinitely cup of devils out here, man,

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Speaker 2: And what are you doing? Heads or tails? Or is

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Speaker 3: I'm not just on my always tail guy, it has

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Speaker 2: So so Weinberg goes tails, but it comes up heads.

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Speaker 2: Try to listen to himself, got burned. Uh, Bill Fitch

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Speaker 2: get their guy Hiquem Olajuan. They formed the Twin Towers

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Speaker 2: the Mavericks, Dick Mada says, I've said that the Rockets

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Speaker 2: are the only team that can legitimately challenge the Lakers,

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Speaker 2: your team for the Western Conference title this season. That

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Speaker 2: Sampson and Elajuan Ellajuan is going to play the five.

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Speaker 2: Sampson's going to play the four. Matta was right.

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Speaker 1: They didn't contend in their first year, in Akeem's rookie year,

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Speaker 1: eighty six finals. But then after that, Samson hurts his knee,

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Speaker 2: Crack cocaine got to the Houston rockets the crack.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I don't think.

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Speaker 3: Crack wasn't out there? Was it just a power Yeah?

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Speaker 1: No, No, they were freebasing it.

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Speaker 3: That's when they were calling him free base it was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Lewis, Lewis Lloyd, and Mitchell Wiggins get banned

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Speaker 2: from the NBA for repeat.

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Speaker 3: Putting that in for putting that ship into aluminum. Floyer

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Speaker 2: And another guy that comes up later, John Lucas was

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Speaker 3: Yes, we're not going to do that here. I love

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mustache too, like the Steve Harvey uh befo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is, and just lastly putting a bow on it.

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Speaker 2: Hakeem stays there, wins two titles in ninety four and

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Speaker 3: So two years wanting to get Ralph up at it

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Speaker 2: I mean, you put together the twin Towers, but are

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Speaker 2: I would argue probably the most calculated tank Job ever

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00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 2: in terms of they were really good. You know, remember

436
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 2: without Timmy and with David they were still going to

437
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: the playoffs, they were still winning sixty games. And the

438
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 2: main character in this story has to be Greg Popovich, who,

439
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 2: uh so, let's start in nineteen ninety fives Spurs general

440
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: manager Greg Popovich, head coach, Bob Hill, star player David Robinson.

441
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 3: Who are they picked him for? Don't forget about a

442
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 3: lot of people forget about that Bob Hill ten year

443
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 3: and they could Pop came up out of at gms.

444
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 3: But that's that's modern. Go ahead.

445
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, so listen, So they have, uh, they got the

446
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: scoring champion. This they have the MVP and David Robinson.

447
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: They have the rebounding champion, Dennis Robin. They've got Sean Elliott,

448
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: They've got Avery brad This is.

449
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 3: The this is up to the seventy three point game

450
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: season m v P David Robinson. Yeah, when it is

451
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 3: the yeah.

452
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

453
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 2: So nineteen ninety five they were humiliated. They were favorites

454
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: to win it all. This is you know, there's no

455
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: Jordan in the league. They've got the MVP, they're favorite

456
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 2: to win it.

457
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 5: Uh.

458
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: They get humiliated by the Rockets in the Western Conference finals.

459
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: Dream goes crazy. Uh, I thought it should have been

460
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 2: his MVP. He goes crazy. Rodman melts down, he taking

461
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: his shoes off on the bench. The next season, they

462
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 2: bring back the same team, but they move Rodman out.

463
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: They trade him straight up to the Bulls for will

464
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: Purdue and they're good again.

465
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: They win.

466
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to mess us up. I think they

467
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 2: win fifty nine games again, so it's a lot of games.

468
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: So in ninety five, with Robinson's VP year, they win

469
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: sixty two games. They lose to the Rockets in the

470
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 2: ninety five Western Conference Finals. Ninety six bring back much

471
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: of the same team, another good Robinson season, losing six

472
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: to the Jazz. That next season, nineteen ninety seven, Robinson

473
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 2: misses the first eighteen games with a back injury. And

474
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: in those first eighteen games, the team's struggling. They're like

475
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: three and eleven. What does the GM do? Greg Popovich

476
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: megan the call, makes the call.

477
00:25:59,280 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: He goes up.

478
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: You know pat Riley on stan Van Gundy, except Greg

479
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: Popovich didn't have the the pat Riley cachet. He was

480
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: never a coach in the NBA. I think his only

481
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 2: coaching experience was Pomona Pitzer. They were a below five

482
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: hundred team. So Greg Povich comes down from the front office,

483
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: kicks Bob Hill out, who again sixty two wins, then

484
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: fifty nine wins, but no no playoff success. Couldn't get

485
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: out of the West. Shortly after coming back, Robinson then

486
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: gets foot surgery misses the rest of the season. Tank

487
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: commander for this one, our guy. We were with him

488
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: maybe a month ago. Dominique Wilkins, fresh off a championship

489
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 2: in Grease post Achilles tear again, who do you bring in?

490
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: You know we want to sell tickets.

491
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: We're bringing, We're bringing, We're bringing Nick down to San Antonio.

492
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: Still got it, just won a title in Grease and

493
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: that's their tank commander. He plays thirty one minutes a night.

494
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: He ever just eighteen and six on forty one percent

495
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: shooting from the field. The Spurs finished with twenty wins

496
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: draft lottery. They win the lottery. What does Rick Patino

497
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: for the Celtics do right after them? He calls Greg

498
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: Popovich says let's make a deal, and pop says, I

499
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: think I'll hold on to this pick because the prize

500
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: for this pick was Tim Duncan. You were in college

501
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: around that time. M kind of an untraditional upbringing. Comes

502
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 2: from the British Virgin Islands, right wake forest. What's the

503
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: is Tim Duncan? That surefire of a pick as like

504
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 2: a hikim olaj one.

505
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Tim was putting up like twenty and twenty,

506
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: Like every time you turn down ESPN, his numbers look ridiculous.

507
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 3: I'm must have some shit. He used to be like, well,

508
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 3: who is he playing? M You know, you know when

509
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 3: your numbers look so gaudy and they always hit you,

510
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: he say, well, who is he playing?

511
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 4: That?

512
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 3: He can just get keep ripping off twenty six and

513
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 3: twenty two and six blocks and five assists and all

514
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 3: this other shit. So yeah, he was sure fire. His

515
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: demeanor was all that, you know what I mean, unflappable

516
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 3: considering this, not how loud his numbers was. I mean,

517
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: if you knew what you was looking at, you knew

518
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 3: that that man was going to have a successful career

519
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: in professional basketball. I'll give a damn where he came from.

520
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: So they picked Duncan, no thoughts of trading that pick,

521
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: despite even having Robinson. You know, they already have a

522
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 2: big man. They picked Duncan. But here's where it gets interesting.

523
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: That the next year ninety seven. So when they have

524
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: Duncan and Robinson, they start eleven and ten and now

525
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: the calls start coming down about Pop. I'm going to

526
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: read you a couple of excerpts. Mike Lupika pretty well

527
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: renowned author wrote Travel Team. A lot of people my

528
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: age have an affinity towards that book. It was like

529
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: the summer reading book. Anyways. In December nineteen ninety seven,

530
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: he's a columnist for some paper. He says, Greg Popovitch,

531
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: the Spurs coach, shouldn't be anywhere near an NBA coaching job,

532
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: but somehow he has convinced ownership that he is some

533
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: sort of genius. Except now he has David Robinson and

534
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: Tim Duncan and worries they still are enough.

535
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't know what he's talking about. I don't care

536
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: if what his accomplishments where in the journalistic side of things.

537
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 3: But he needed to let Pop go ahead and Pop

538
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: that's where Pop is a Hall of fame coach, and

539
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: do Lulu was on the outside looking in making popular

540
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: publications that people.

541
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: Is that a nickname already, Lulu?

542
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 3: What was it? What was the man's name?

543
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: Like, Lupka?

544
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 3: Close enough? Lupka? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,

545
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: his name. I didn't like his I don't know, I

546
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: didn't like his name. Off top Pop is you know,

547
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 3: a class act. As far as far as what I'm concerned,

548
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: I'm just being a you know, former athlete, former member

549
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: of the association. Hats off to Pop for not kicking

550
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: himself in his own ass out of the out of

551
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 3: the door that he has the keys to. Oh yeah,

552
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: I like that one. That was he's kind of good.

553
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: So when you look back on the Spurs, basically from

554
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: the time they drafted David Robinson in nineteen eighty seven,

555
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: that was also like sidetrack. That was another I was

556
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 2: considering that one because he had to do the naval service,

557
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: so they didn't get it for two years. Yeah, but

558
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: they still but it was still like and if you

559
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: even read deeper, like in the Naval academy, they were

560
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: replacing like whatever they call the boss of the Navy.

561
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: And Robinson had a handshake agreement with the guy that

562
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: used to be there that he didn't have to do

563
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: the five years of service or whatever. And this hard

564
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: ass came in and tried to tried to there was

565
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: enough football player at the Navy two but yeah, they

566
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: took Rodman and didn't get him for two years. The

567
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: Robinson Yeah my bad.

568
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dave well't going catch up. Put Dave down in

569
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: this uh you know what I mean. He just came

570
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: to blow up the Navy plugram, get you some publicity

571
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: you now, y'all want Dave to go out there fighting

572
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: more and shit down in the submarine. Nah man, get

573
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 3: out of here.

574
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: Some teams have tanked, you know, for ten years and

575
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: can't figure it out. The Spurs from nineteen eighty seven

576
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: when they got Robinson to twenty nineteen missed the playoffs

577
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: two times.

578
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: Come on, man, I don't even think that. I don't

579
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: even think that's tanking. That's being surgical with this thing, Jake,

580
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Shout out to Denzel and

581
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 3: training game. That's surgical with this dang Jake, I don't

582
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: even consider that tanking. I mean, you up, yep, you

583
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: take to get the number one picks, They up their careers,

584
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 3: go on the Hall of Fame. So you maintained. That's

585
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: what the number one pick's supposed to do. In my eyes,

586
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: if you're the number one pick, you should be trending

587
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 3: towards a Hall of Fame career and popped in and

588
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: do nothing but keep them boys right on the track.

589
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: Throw some banners in there, and you know what I mean,

590
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: make sure they got to wear the jacket.

591
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: Do you think Wemby I was thinking Wemby and Edwards

592
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: were the two guys you know from the last ten

593
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: years that have a chance to end up in the

594
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: territory of this list of some of the guys that

595
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: we're saying, how it's trending.

596
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 3: That's all I got, That's all I got to come

597
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 3: in mind.

598
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: Next up Lebron James two thousand and three. Lebron James,

599
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: Lebron two thousand and three. Calves get the first overall pick.

600
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: They get the Ohio native. And this is where our guy,

601
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: Jim Paxson comes back. Now he's the general manager of

602
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: the Calves. Remember in Portland, he was the star player

603
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: the team that had the chance to get a team

604
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: or Michael Jordan, but ended up with Sam Bowie. And

605
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: if you look at Jim Paxson's career as a player

606
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: after the Blazers drafted Bowie, his career was never the same.

607
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: Now you could say that those two things aren't correlated,

608
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: but that's what it looks like from the outside. So

609
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: now Paxson is in charge and he sure is not

610
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: missing out on arguably the best prospect that basketball has

611
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: ever seen. So that's the stage for Jim Paxson. He

612
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: takes over the Cavs GM job in the late nineties.

613
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: He inherits a fairly hefty Sean kemp our guy Andre Miller,

614
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: who's a really really nice young guard, Laman Murray, Bob Surah.

615
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: But in three years, three years, he trades everybody, rips

616
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: the whole thing down. So in that two thousand and

617
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: two three season, the year before getting Lebron, we got

618
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: Carlos Boozer rookie, good pick, Dewan Wagner rookie could have

619
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: been a good pick, big z.

620
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: Z.

621
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: They trade Andre Miller for Darius Miles, take a shot

622
00:33:54,760 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: on another young kid, and most importantly our tank commander,

623
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: friend of the program. And I don't even want to

624
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: sound disrespectful, sorry when I say tank commander, but I

625
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: think Ricky Davis for me, is personally the number one

626
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 2: tank commander.

627
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: He's gonna get you. He's gonna get you twenty a night.

628
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: He's gonna do things like self oop himself to try

629
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: and get a triple double. He's gonna put his knee

630
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: in Steve Nash's throat and dunk on him.

631
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: He's gonna keep things exciting.

632
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: He had his whole section in the arena fans that

633
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: would dress up, put afros on, call themselves Ricky's Renegade.

634
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: So that's what we're looking at with the two thousand

635
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: and three Calves, in preparation to hopefully be bad enough

636
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: to land Lebron James. They start the season two and seventeen.

637
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: They finished seventeen and sixty five. I'm gonna read you

638
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: an excerpt from a Cleveland newspaper in March of two

639
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: thousand and three, so about a month before that season ends.

640
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: It's so quiet in the twenty thousand seat gund Arena

641
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: during the Cavs games that you can almost hear an

642
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: NBA lottery ping pong ball drop, But not in section

643
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: one hundred, row twelve. That's where Ricky D's Renegades are

644
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: whooping it up.

645
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 3: Well.

646
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: The NBA's worst team staggers towards another loss down below,

647
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: flank by rows of empty blue seats. The unofficial fan

648
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: club for Cleveland guard Ricky Davis can be counted on

649
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: for some fun. Each member paints a letter on his

650
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 2: chest and the group spells out a different message each game.

651
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: They came out in four weeks ago, spelling this is Cleveland,

652
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: Last Sunday, but last Sunday, only six members showed up

653
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: for a matine match against Orlando. They asked Big Z

654
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: what the low point of the season was. He said,

655
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: the low point the whole season has been a low point.

656
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 3: He was, I mean, keeping in one hundred Cleveland. Cleveland

657
00:35:58,760 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 3: wasn't rocking.

658
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: So the draft lottery, I think the best thing that

659
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: came from this. Have you seen the video of Jerry

660
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: West when he was the GM of the Grizzlies and

661
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: they had a top one protected pick, so if they

662
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: if the pick fell outside of one, they would lose

663
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 2: it to the Pistons. M here that video is for

664
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: everybody that didn't see it.

665
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 5: The second pick goes to the Memphis Grizzlies, and that

666
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 5: means that the first pick in the two thousand and

667
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 5: three NBA Draft goes to the Cleveland Cavaliers.

668
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 3: Rods Gardeners.

669
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: So the Cavs get the number one overall pick, Jim

670
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: Paxson gets his guy, he gets Lebron, and you're there

671
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: for the beginning of that rookie season and a lot

672
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: you know, every year the clip surfaces of them asking, uh,

673
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: you know, Ricky d Darius my about if they think

674
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: Lebron's going to be good? Ricky told us that it,

675
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: you know, there was no hate in it. What was

676
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 2: your observing observation of Lebron's entrance the Chosen One into Cleveland?

677
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: What'd you notice?

678
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 3: Chosen One comes with a lot of baggage, you know,

679
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 3: the high school kid coming into the You know, that

680
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 3: version of the NBA is still some semblance of the

681
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 3: nineties NBA that a lot of people, a lot of

682
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: our fans don't forgotten seasons come to know and love.

683
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: So the fact that a high school kid, you know,

684
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: was going to come in and being from Cleveland, having

685
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: the extra you know, weight of being from Cleveland, being

686
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: from Akron, and being the so called chosen one, you

687
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: know for the Cleveland Claveraler's franchise, who was struggling at

688
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: the time for our identity. You know what I mean

689
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: is what it is, you know, not a lot of

690
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 3: love and light for the Cleveland Cavaliers franchise at the time.

691
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: So that's why you're in the pos Listen to the

692
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: number one pick and I don't think they were at

693
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 3: the end of the day, I don't think they're wrong

694
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 3: in what they said. They was just you know, that's

695
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 3: how veterans were at the time, the league wasn't so

696
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: much of a young league as what we said. And

697
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 3: now there are a lot of veterans that were the

698
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: glue of the league. And you know, it was a

699
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: Shelby State type of situation where they had to see

700
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 3: it first before they just handed over the keys to

701
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: a teenager and to a man's league.

702
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. It's a different league. League couldn't

703
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: walk in with the tiktoks back then.

704
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: No or paying your nails and shit.

705
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: All right, Moving on that, Magic Johnson. The last one

706
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: that we agree on, nineteen seventy nine. I think this

707
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: one is a little bit. You don't have to go

708
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: as deep. It's kind of a lesson in how free

709
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: agency used to work. So back then in the seventies,

710
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: if a team signed a player from you, So in

711
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 2: this case, the New Orleans Jazz signed Gail Goodrich, who

712
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 2: was on the Lakers before the nineteen seventh season. Shout

713
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: out to him, but his I mean, this contribution to

714
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: LA was definitely better than anything he did at UCLA.

715
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: And I don't know what he did at UCLA.

716
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: But because the Jazz signed him from the Lakers, the

717
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: Lakers acquired a future first round pick from the Jazz.

718
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: That pick happened to fall three years later in nineteen

719
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: seventy nine. The Jazz ended up being the worst team

720
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: in the league. That pick turned into number one. That

721
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: pick turned into Magic Johnson the rest history. So now

722
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 2: the one that we disagree on, you have Shack iv iverson.

723
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 2: Why don't you give your your Shack Diet tribe number

724
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: one pick in the nineteen ninety two draft. I will

725
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: just mention that the Magic had joined the NBA as

726
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: an expansion team in nineteen eighty.

727
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 3: Nine Susan.

728
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: And their first three seasons of existence eighteen and sixty four,

729
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: thirty one and fifty one, twenty one and sixty one,

730
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: and that's what sets them up for the first pick

731
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: of the ninety two draft.

732
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 3: I'm going with Big Fella because you know, the Magic

733
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 3: was just a goofy logo in the name before Shaq

734
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: got there, you know what I mean. Disney A lot

735
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 3: of gumblings about Disney, and you know it was there

736
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 3: a Disney team. You know, there was all those franchise teams.

737
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: I'll give it another nine for guys that come in

738
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 3: as the number one pick to a franchise type type team.

739
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: LJ you know, not too far removed from you know,

740
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 3: Charlotte being the expansion team. Excuse me, Shaq, shit, I

741
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: would say Magic with the Lakers is already cracking at

742
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 3: the time. But you know, Lebron, you know, coming in, coming,

743
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: coming in, having to be the one, be the number

744
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: one pick like that. But I'm gonna give it to

745
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: Shaq because Cleveland was a rebrand, you know what I

746
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: mean that when I say Lebron. But I'm gonna give

747
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 3: it to Shaq because he made the Magic a brand.

748
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 3: You know, although you did an ending title runs and

749
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 3: it's you know, with the combination of Penny, that was

750
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: a whole, you know, a whole other thing. I'm like,

751
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 3: you know, I know, people, no disrespect to Shack. He

752
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 3: could have did it on his own. Have a sea

753
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 3: web would have been dope, you know what I mean.

754
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: We would never know what that looked like. But at

755
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 3: the same time, it just so happened that he did

756
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 3: get some help with Penny. Considering what he meant to

757
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: the culture, I mean that of Orlando Magic Jersey. Orlando

758
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 3: Magic Jersey had no business being as popular that it

759
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 3: did when Shaquille O'Neal got there. Then you company that

760
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 3: with with the arrival of Penny Hardaway, that Orlando magic

761
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: is embedded, that Jersey is embedding people's mind. He was

762
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 3: a number one pick, took care of himself, He was

763
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 3: available play Hell of Games, made All Star Games. The

764
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: East was the East. You got Michael Jadan running through there.

765
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: You got that beat.

766
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: They beat Jordan, you know what I mean.

767
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: So you know what I mean. It is, It is

768
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: what it is. They did put Mike out when he

769
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 3: came back with the four or five. But I'm a

770
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 3: little biased. I'm a big dude. I did follow this

771
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 3: air very heavy. But it got to be Shack for me,

772
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: that that just that area what he meant for the

773
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 3: city Florida wasn't cracking in basketball. Then the heat weren't

774
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: the heat. You know, those were just two expansions teams

775
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: trying to get by, and I think Shack held it

776
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: down for you know what I mean. But what do

777
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 3: they call it? The Panhandle? The Panhandle state?

778
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: Uh, Florida.

779
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 3: I think it's the Panhandle? Don't hold it, don't isn't it?

780
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: Isn't that Oklahoma.

781
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 3: One of y'all. You know what I mean?

782
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: Let us know the comments, let us know the comments.

783
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: Let us what's help us out here, help us out here.

784
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 3: But yeah, man, it's you know, Shock was just too

785
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: important for me. That's that's my diet tribe or pitch.

786
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: From I'm not mad at it. I think I think

787
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: you could do that. I wouldn't even be mad if

788
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 2: you went with Patrick Ewing the Knicks in eighty five.

789
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even be that mad if you went David

790
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: Robinson Spurs nineteen eighty seven. I'm gonna take it one

791
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: step further. I think there's even an argument for Dwight

792
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: Howard ooh ooh.

793
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 1: I think this one is just personal preference.

794
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: I think that is it is did to choose your

795
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: own adventure on this one. Let us know in the comments. Again,

796
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: like I said, let us know in the comments.

797
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: So for my let's let it.

798
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: My last one is Alan Iverson. I think for some

799
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 2: of the same reasons that you listed, Shack I was.

800
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: I was a guard.

801
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: You know, all little guys wanted to be like a

802
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: I think what you said for what he did to

803
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: the Magic brand and the jersey, I mean I would

804
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: put the Shack Penny pinstripe black Magic jersey writ in

805
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 2: the same category as.

806
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: Forget about the blue one.

807
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, the blue they had versions. The white one was

808
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 2: hard to Yeah. The Sixers on that same note, they

809
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: had a couple of variations too. They had the black shiny,

810
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: they had the blue shiny, they had the white and

811
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: then just backtracking like what Iverson did to the Sixers.

812
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 2: So the Barkley era ends in nineteen ninety two. They

813
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: trade him restocked, the cover Jeff Hornisc Andrew Langton, Perry.

814
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: None of those guys really work out for them.

815
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 3: Uh.

816
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: They bought him out and they get really good draft

817
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: picks after bottoming out. Nineteen ninety three draft Sean Bradley.

818
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: Number two overall, kick sewn.

819
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: Over Penny, Jamal Mashburn, Vin Baker, Allan Houston.

820
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: At right at the moment, seven sides, Black Shots, Big.

821
00:44:54,560 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 2: Shot, ninety four, Sharon Right, number four ahead of Eddie

822
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: Jones and Jalen Rose in the lottery somewhat defendable, and

823
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: then ninety five. You know this is a friend of

824
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: the program. Also, I hate to be that guy, but

825
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: Jerry Stackhouse number three, right ahead of Sheet at number

826
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: four and KG at number five.

827
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 3: A lot of people are going to be disagree with

828
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 3: you that Dylan now in hindsight right now, I understand

829
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: Jerry Jerry Stackhouse is the pre eminent wing in college

830
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: basketball at the time.

831
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: I understand, But I'm mister hindsight, you know, That's what

832
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 2: they call me back in hindsight. So, uh, ninety five

833
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 2: ninety six, they've got a rookie Stackhouse. This is where

834
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: good old John Lucas comes back. Who is on those

835
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: Rockets teams with a Keeman Sampson that went to the finals.

836
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 2: He's now the coach and GM of the seventy six ers.

837
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 2: Who does he bring into to surround Jerry Stackhouse is rookie? Well,

838
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: another friend of the program, Vernon Maxwell coming off a

839
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: ten game suspension for punching a.

840
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: Fan during a playoff game. And then Richard Dumas.

841
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 2: Richard Dumas, I think him and John might have shared

842
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: a bunk at the.

843
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the off site.

844
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: No, I don't know, If I don't know, if I

845
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: don't and listen, very serious matters, nothing personal. But I

846
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: wonder if the NBA back then, if they had like

847
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 2: a getaway, you know, if they invested in some land

848
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: maybe out there, and.

849
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: Maybe John's the guy you go to if you got

850
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 3: a guide us up against it and you think you

851
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: got some you know, you got some talent you know

852
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 3: left in it, left in him or something to add to.

853
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 2: What's the rehabit what's the rehab capital of America? What

854
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: region California, California is the southern California, Florida, Arizona, Arizona.

855
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: I would say, Utah.

856
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, when I watched that show, that's where they'd be

857
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 3: sending them off too at the end. What's the lot show? Uh? Interve, Yeah, interview,

858
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: that's where they send your ass out to intervention, Arizona, Florida, California.

859
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 2: So then ninety six draft they go Iverson? Who was

860
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: the What was the conversation like for number one that year?

861
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: Because that's right, those are your guys. Was it Iverson

862
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: in Marbury?

863
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: Was it Steph? Was it Canby?

864
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: They had a match up, remember that match up was

865
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 3: Electric Georgia Tech versus Georgetown was electric for that was

866
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: the ship? I think it was early on too, was

867
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 3: it the it was the early preseason or maybe non

868
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 3: conference league showdown Steph verse a? I was the ship

869
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 3: they both had on some fly nikes. That was the counta,

870
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: the Georgetown fly ship. That's when Georgia. Georgia Tech had

871
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 3: the fly jerseys and they was wearing Nike two.

872
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 4: Uh.

873
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: That match trick. It was electric. Tree was dope down

874
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: there at U mass But he had a good team too,

875
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 3: Daniel dingle Bright. Uh, he had a yes, yes, what's

876
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 3: the other kid, Edgar Padilla. He had some people lou

877
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: rowe coached by come on now, Kyler Perry, Yeah, coach.

878
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: He was the Uh. It was the little fella's moment

879
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 3: right then. Stephan Stephan. I have been Nike camp with

880
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 3: with UH and around Steph a little bit and with Ai.

881
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 3: Now those dudes was the number one pick. That was

882
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: the consensus. I was out with. You know that. That

883
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: was what was going on. That was the dope.

884
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: I wonder.

885
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 2: I wonder if we're ever going to see a draft

886
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,959
Speaker 2: again where too, you know, six foot two and under

887
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: guys are the two favorites for number one overall pick alone.

888
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 3: When when we were going to see him play in college,

889
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 3: that was dopeer. That was the other doper party too.

890
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 3: Like a lot of those matchups that we saw play

891
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: out in the NBA, we saw play out in college,

892
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: whether that be through the NCAA tournament in the same leagues.

893
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: You know, that's the big thing we're missing, and that's

894
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: where a lot of out of college basketball, the death

895
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 3: of college basketball. We're also missing a lot of the

896
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: narrative of which we're looking forward. That's why we put

897
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: so much emphasis on our younger players for the first

898
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 3: three years of their careers because we want them to

899
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 3: immediately immediately join the narrative and fit the narrative and

900
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 3: the storylines of the NBA. Now, what we're missing through

901
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: college basketball with the absence of the importance of college

902
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 3: basketball because the nl and the variety of other shit

903
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 3: was those storylines were forged in college basketball, from Magic

904
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 3: to Bird to UNLV to do to Fab five to

905
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean. When you got into

906
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 3: you had a fan base organically with you in the

907
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 3: NBA that didn't have nothing to do with no goddamn

908
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: social media and no Instagram posting you feel me? So

909
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: it was easy for me as a you were, as

910
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 3: a fan of the game to identify and follow the storylines.

911
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 3: They're almost better continued and out of the pros from

912
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 3: college because they got the other people out the way.

913
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 3: Right now, you're not in your coaching system, you know,

914
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys remember in North Carolina

915
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 3: that you couldn't average twenty points a game in North Carolina.

916
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 3: That was the thing you had to short to share

917
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 3: the sugar, you know what I mean. LJ had to

918
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 3: share the stage with acles. You know what I mean, Greg, Anthony,

919
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 3: Stacey Augman, you know what I mean, the Sea Web,

920
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 3: same thing. So when they got the other players out

921
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 3: of the way, where other players were allowed to flourish

922
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 3: without the LJS, J Rose, Jawan Howard, whatever that is,

923
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 3: you got the organic storylines continue and people were allowed

924
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 3: to develop within their first couple of years as opposed

925
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 3: to if you don't get twenty or ten, we're done

926
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 3: with you. Now that's a deep cup for your ass,

927
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And that's what we do here, Dylan.

928
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 3: So that's what you know, that's a lot of what

929
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 3: we're missing where that's not fair for the young players.

930
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 3: You know, they're coming into a lot of money and

931
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 3: they don't have the ass their checks can cash on.

932
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 3: What that you know, their body of work, not high

933
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 3: school four months of college basketball probably not ready you

934
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 3: know at the end of the day. So and you

935
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 3: get your teeth in college not to cut you off.

936
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but you get your teeth in college. You

937
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 3: don't have to do load management when you play in college,

938
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 3: you know what I mean against for forty three or

939
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: four years. You're building yourself up at the proper way.

940
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 3: You're not playing eighty two games. I played thirty. There's

941
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: a big fucking difference between eighty two and thirty and

942
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,919
Speaker 3: asking a twenty nineteen year old to do so that's

943
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 3: just my little deep cut spill here. You know, No,

944
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 3: it's good, it's number one talk.

945
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: I think my biggest thing is, you know, the wage

946
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 2: shifted now with nil. I think the people that have

947
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: the most swing in it now are not basketball people,

948
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: and they're not making those moves and pulling those strings

949
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 2: in the best interest of you know, the player's basketball

950
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: career or the sport.

951
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: I think, say what you.

952
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: Want about some of those old school guys like a

953
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: Sonny Vacuero or some other guys, the guys with the

954
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 2: most pullback. Then, even the guys that were tied up

955
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 2: in that FBI allegation, I would even say I think

956
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: that might have been the start of it. But those

957
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: dudes were all like basketball dudes, you know, like came

958
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 2: up real ones, real like basketball dudes. So yeah, I

959
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: think that's the shame of now. And props to all

960
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 2: the players that are making millions of dollars at eighteen

961
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: years old, because that's a beautiful thing. But I don't know,

962
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like with a lot of

963
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: these things, we're going to look back in ten twenty

964
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 2: years and go ooh yeah.

965
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 3: And I feel that's important context due to the correlation

966
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 3: of the number one pick. You know, we have hired

967
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: he's the number one pick, and then he flamed out,

968
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Then you talk, they talk

969
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 3: bad about you, whether it be for injury, maybe it's

970
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 3: because you really want that guy, and somebody in the

971
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 3: front office had a big brad idea of making either

972
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 3: number one pick based on you know, the people that

973
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 3: they hire to make these decisions. But you know, at

974
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 3: the end of the day, you know what I mean,

975
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 3: he can't blame the youth always and in this case

976
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 3: as it pertains and the number one pick, I think

977
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 3: that's a hell of a context.

978
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's iverson.

979
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 2: A year after his rookie year, they bring in Larry

980
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: Brown as GM and head coach. He gets Stackhouse out

981
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 2: of there. Uh, you know, maybe teaches ai a little

982
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: bit something about life and how to carry himself.

983
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 3: Coach Thompson. Coach Thompson, that's another thing. That's another thing,

984
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 3: and then that's another thing. Don't Josh Day dish shit.

985
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 3: Larry Brown is a tremendous coach. He added great value.

986
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: I gotta be careful that. I gotta be careful complimentsing

987
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: Larry Brown around you.

988
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 3: I guess you know, but I'm just saying. But let's

989
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 3: just be honest. Though, Dylan Alan Iverson, yet he was

990
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 3: the unrefined product that he was. He was not that

991
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 3: far away from zero by the time Larry Brown got

992
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 3: to him. All right, John Thompson was a man we've

993
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 3: known his accolades of why we've poured into young men,

994
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 3: even some of those who weren't didn't make it to

995
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 3: the number one pick. So you know what I mean,

996
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 3: I just want to remind people Alan Iverson was not

997
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 3: an accident by the time he got to Larry Brown. Yes,

998
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 3: LB did a good job of managing him and making

999
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 3: sure he was able to get the most out of

1000
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 3: that frame. But no freaky But you know what I mean,

1001
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 3: I would be remiss if I didn't bring up coach

1002
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 3: Thompson as a major reason why Alan Iverson was a success.

1003
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 2: Well, the combination of John Thompson Larry Brown to Alan

1004
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 2: Iverson worked out. He brings the Sixers to the Finals,

1005
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 2: seven All Star Games, four scoring titles as a seventy

1006
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 2: six er.

1007
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: So that wraps up the list. I want to end.

1008
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: You might have already shoot in Alvin Hayes as your

1009
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 2: goat tank commander. I want to quickly shout at a

1010
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 2: couple others that didn't make the list, but I think

1011
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 2: are worthy of discussion in the comments.

1012
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: Let us know if we missed anybody.

1013
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of tank commanders, maybe ones that

1014
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 2: just didn't work out. The team missed the pick, we

1015
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 2: forgot about them. I'm gonna mention Swaggy p Nick Young

1016
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: in those post Kobe Lakers teams, he birthed a couple

1017
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 2: great memes that will live for existence.

1018
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: Tony Roten.

1019
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 2: Process Sixers playing thirty minutes a night that helped them

1020
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 2: get Simmons and foults. So yeah, we got from the

1021
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 2: list that we went where we got thirty seven year

1022
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 2: old Dominique Wilkins, thirty seven year old Elvin Hayes, Ricky

1023
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: Davis and the Vernon Maxwell Richard Dumas.

1024
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: Two for one. I am gonna go. I want to

1025
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 1: go Ricky Davis. The Elvin Hayes thing is just so good.

1026
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're gonna You're gonna go Elvin.

1027
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: Now, I'm gonna go Ricky Davis.

1028
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 3: Tyree for the tame. Hey, I'm gonna go Tyree too.

1029
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 3: Because he used to be with No Limits Agency, he

1030
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 3: was a legitimate take commander when master P was his agent.

1031
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 3: Ricky Davis was with him, was with master P and

1032
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 3: No Limit Agency along with Ricky Williams. So and in

1033
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 3: all fairness and because of the what is that the serendipity,

1034
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna name Tyree Davis is my tank commander as well.

1035
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: And again this is not a diss if if you

1036
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 2: want if you have nothing, you have nothing. You're a

1037
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 2: coach or sorry, you're an owner or the president of

1038
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 2: sales for a team. You got no talent. How the

1039
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: hell are we gonna get people to buy tickets and

1040
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 2: spend their evening?

1041
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 3: Sure they're gonna be, sure as hell, they're gonna be

1042
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 3: homegirl on the bike with all the plates and ship.

1043
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 3: We can't rode her up forty out of the year.

1044
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 3: We gotta have some other products, oh red Panda, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1045
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 3: You know, there's only so many what do you call

1046
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 3: those nonprofit and choir singings?

1047
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: We acts, you can only do so many. Uh what

1048
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: they did the Chick fil A? Uh uh miss two

1049
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: free throws? Get yourself, Ricky Davis. Listen, the fans are

1050
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: gonna love them. They're gonna stuff like him. He's gonna

1051
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: put you on Sports Center maybe number one a couple

1052
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: of times.

1053
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

1054
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: And you know you guys aren't gonna win that many games.

1055
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: So that's that's uh. I think that's a fitting ending

1056
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 2: friend of the program. I think that was our first

1057
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: episode that we did together. I would love to have

1058
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 2: him back on to I feel like I feel like

1059
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: we kind of got to him, we kind of uncovered it.

1060
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: But I know that there's another level to Ricky Davis

1061
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: that might not be uh safe for.

1062
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: Job audience.

1063
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 3: Got a good job, job, think he's a coach, got

1064
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 3: a job in front of the children's at watch your tongue.

1065
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 2: But anyway, man, that that was today's this week's episode.

1066
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: I hope you guys enjoyed it. Let us know in

1067
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: the comments and know we we asked you guys a

1068
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: few things. Keep engaging with us, We're gonna respond, We're

1069
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 2: gonna get to it, and man, we we appreciate the support.

1070
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much much for watching. I think

1071
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: we're at ten thousand subscribers now, which was our goal

1072
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the season, so that was appreciate.

1073
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 2: J Mex, I appreciate you.

1074
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:08,959
Speaker 3: Man.

1075
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 2: This has been a lot of fun and I think

1076
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 2: we're going to keep these going. Hope you guys enjoy these,

1077
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: Like guestless episodes, I think they seem fun and this

1078
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 2: was easy.

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Speaker 3: They're think we'll be back with another one even better, Yes, sir,