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Speaker 1: For everyone we're talking about right now. It's lost developmental time,

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Speaker 1: missed information for Jed and Carter and the rest of

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Speaker 1: the front office to make decisions in the offseason. Welcome

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Speaker 1: into north Side Territory Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahad Sharma with Patrick Mooney where your Cubs beat writers

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Speaker 1: at the Athletic and we are talking about the Cubs

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Speaker 1: and their two game losing streak. Is that right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: two game losing streak after two tough losses to Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: You know, Patrick, My initial feeling is like, you know,

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Speaker 1: the best team in baseball, you lose two highly competitive games.

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Speaker 2: Most of the times you just shrug that off.

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Speaker 1: But I think Greg Council has set it for the

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Speaker 1: past three weeks or so, like there's no margin for error,

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Speaker 1: so it stings more. You have to win on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: you have to take care of business against bad teams.

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Speaker 1: I just can't get two up in arms about these losses.

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Speaker 1: But also it's a point of the season where you

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Speaker 1: have to you have to win games, and and you know,

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Speaker 1: little things didn't go their way. You could say whether

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Speaker 1: it's there, you know, some defense that didn't go there,

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Speaker 1: where this, Uh this guy Noel Big Christmas JD was

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Speaker 1: calling him. Uh yeah, he's he's killed them. But you

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Speaker 1: know this, this was two games against a really good team.

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Speaker 1: I think the Cubs show me what they are. They're

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Speaker 1: they're they're a perfectly solid team. They kind of just

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Speaker 1: have done this most of the season. So I just

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Speaker 1: I don't know what what more to say about it.

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Speaker 3: Can we just have our great producing team behind the

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Speaker 3: scenes just drop in like quotes we used months ago,

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Speaker 3: you know, because you've already if you watched any Cubs

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Speaker 3: game this season, you've seen these two games in Cleveland

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Speaker 3: of like just things not totally clicking, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's it's funny. The Big Christmas we were joking about that.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I can't wait to see this guy

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Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame. I mean, probably the greatest

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Speaker 3: hitter we've ever seen.

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Speaker 4: And then.

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Speaker 3: Just to me, it's just kind of funny being back

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Speaker 3: in Cleveland. You were obviously there in the twenty sixteen

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Speaker 4: And it brings back a lot of memories.

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Speaker 3: If you were here, your mine would be going there

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Speaker 3: as well, and it's just it's just weird to see,

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Speaker 3: you know, kind of a half empty stadium, and you know,

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Speaker 3: this team sort of creeping towards the edge of the

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Speaker 3: And you mentioned the no margin for error. I actually

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Speaker 3: said that to Council the other day of like, I

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Speaker 3: know you've been saying this for like months now, but

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Speaker 3: when you lose a game like a Shota game, where

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Speaker 3: there's some you know, sloppiness defense, but you get a

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Speaker 4: Not a lot of like anger.

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Speaker 3: And this is not like a criticism, and like major

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Speaker 3: League Baseball players like process things in their own ways,

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Speaker 3: but it is kind of I don't know, staggering to

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Speaker 3: the right word. But just like how even Keel Counsel

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Speaker 3: is all the time of just like running through display

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Speaker 3: display that play need this, need that, Like just you know,

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Speaker 3: you really wouldn't have any sort of idea of where

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Speaker 3: kind of dropped into any of these postgame press conferences.

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Speaker 3: And he did flash some edge when I brought up

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Speaker 3: you know, twenty eighteen, when I think the Brewers were

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Speaker 3: he said in twenty nineteen two, and like that's all

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Speaker 3: as just like a Cub's implosion of just so many

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Speaker 2: I wasn't a Cubs collapse. Yeah, yeah, the Brewers were great.

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Speaker 3: And so it did make me think of like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: Path moving forward. They're gonna need a lot of help.

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Speaker 1: But these teams all stink, Patrick, Yeah, I mean the

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Speaker 1: But I feel like they're playing better baseball right now.

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Speaker 2: If they play.

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Speaker 1: Kind of like how they played yesterday or Monday, like

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Speaker 1: Monday was a little sloppy. The greatest er. I hate

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Speaker 1: take advantage. That's that's how baseball works, right, misses a call,

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Speaker 1: Like, I've just been watching these teams and I'm like

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Speaker 3: I think watching the Cubs, I can't say like, oh wow,

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Speaker 4: It's just that the Cups have really backed.

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Speaker 3: to me until like, you know, just that baseline convscency

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Speaker 3: And you know why the Cups thought they'd be built

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Speaker 4: They had, the talent they had.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know, looking up here in the middle

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Speaker 3: I think you know you followed the pitching side really well.

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Speaker 3: You've seen the progress they've made, the choices they've made,

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Speaker 3: And we can start with Ben Brown, Kate Horton, Jordan

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Speaker 4: This is not about any one guy.

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Speaker 3: I think it's hard to like ever know what a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think we're seeing yet again why

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Speaker 1: River Ryan's getting Tommy Johnny comes out there and like

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Speaker 1: But the reality is it's happening to the Cubs too,

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Speaker 1: and they're they've changed their methods, they're doing new things

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Speaker 1: As far as you know, guys that are in the

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Speaker 1: that that's not ideal for them, A guy that had

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Speaker 3: that he was shut down. Council made a point of saying,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he will pitch at all again

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Speaker 3: the season. And I think the weird part is the

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Speaker 1: off season project to look at the names and talk

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Speaker 1: to people and see who they may target. But but

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Speaker 1: it has to be something that they consider because you

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Speaker 1: cannot go into I just don't think you can go

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Speaker 1: in relying on kids and expect to be a big

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Speaker 1: thing with this team. When we're talking about when we

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Speaker 1: get back to where they are right now, where they

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Speaker 1: were last year, the final win total they're projected to

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Speaker 1: be around it this year, probably like an eighty two

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Speaker 1: eighty three win team. You want to get to be like,

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Speaker 1: you want to feel like your projections have you at

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Speaker 1: eighty eight to ninety that's where you want to be.

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Speaker 1: That's when where this season, say they're projected to be

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Speaker 1: eighty three, they've played below that pace. And that's because

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Speaker 1: things don't always go exactly right. And when you're an

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Speaker 1: eighty three projected team, you didn't build anything. You didn't

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Speaker 1: build enough certainty or enough you know, margin for error. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so get to eighty eight, get to ninety projection, then

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Speaker 1: eighty five. If you're under and you're at eighty five,

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Speaker 1: some bad things happen, bad luck and bad injury, luck,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, eighty five can get you a you know,

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Speaker 1: into shouting distance at least for that wild card. Right,

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Speaker 1: So you that and that's the bad season that you have.

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Speaker 1: You don't want like, it's just you're relying too much

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Speaker 1: on the good things happening right now with this team.

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Speaker 1: So that's add a good starter. Get some get some depth,

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Speaker 1: and then Ben Brown and Jordan Wicks and all those

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Speaker 1: guys are your depth, right, Moyses Biasterius, Oh in casey

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Speaker 1: Matt shar your depth.

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Speaker 2: Like then you don't work.

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Speaker 1: Like when you have those guys as depth, you feel

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Speaker 1: good about your team.

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Speaker 2: That's how That's how I look at it.

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Speaker 4: And I mean, are you going to be banking on

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Speaker 4: next year?

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Speaker 3: Showed to Jamison and still all having eras and kind

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Speaker 3: of the low threes and combining for roughly eighty starts.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we'll see where everything ends up. But I

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Speaker 3: mean it's been, uh, we obviously focused on the natives here,

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Speaker 3: but there's some fantastic individual performances in the rotation and

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Speaker 3: a lot of resourceful in putting the bullpen back together.

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Speaker 3: It just has been one of those seasons where things

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Speaker 3: have not lined up and they have not consistently executed

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Speaker 3: in every phase of the game to degree that you

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Speaker 3: can consider them a serious playoff contender.

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Speaker 4: And so we'll see. We'll be back.

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Speaker 3: On the off day to kind of lay out the

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Speaker 3: rest of this, but you know, it's been a very

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Speaker 3: interesting sort of.

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Speaker 4: Week in Cleveland here so far.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see if we're they you know, just to

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Speaker 1: make Cubs fans feel a little bit better about about

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Speaker 1: this upcoming stretch that they need to end this road

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Speaker 1: trip with the win I think in Cleveland and just

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Speaker 1: just come away with one w there. It's no shame

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Speaker 1: in losing a series to this team, but you just

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Speaker 1: don't want to get swept right now, too much going on,

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Speaker 1: to too little margin for error. So if they come

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Speaker 1: away with the win and then have a good weekend

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Speaker 1: against Toronto, you know, right back to you know, talking

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Speaker 1: about the playoffs or on the periphery of the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, this just I just don't see

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Speaker 1: these teams ahead of them outside of that are outside

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Speaker 1: of the playoffs. I just don't see them as like

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Speaker 1: significantly better or even better than the Cubs. They're all

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Speaker 1: kind of bunched together. It's about catching Atlanta or hoping

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Speaker 1: that San Diego or Arizona get get cold. I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't see that happening, to be honest. But again,

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Speaker 1: they're they're on heaters. Can the Cubs get on one

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Speaker 1: of those heaters? That's that's what we'll be watching for

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Speaker 1: over the next three ish weeks. All right, thanks for

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