Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from
Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Well, Miles,
Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
Speaker 1: by an award winning journalist, author, public speaker, the host
Speaker 1: of the new show Big Sugar. Please welcome celest Headlan
Speaker 1: nice welcome.
Speaker 2: You guys do that intro all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and anytime you enter a room we are available
Speaker 1: for you know, a small fee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, talking and shout my name, that would be awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: We moonlight as town criers for any kind of dynamic intro.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well we can read from a scroll and everything.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: That's I don't know how much work there is for that.
Speaker 4: But you know, I'm not gonna lie. It's it's fast
Speaker 4: famine out there.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we don't have to ask you this, but
Speaker 1: this is that is the dumbest opening to a show
Speaker 1: that you've ever been on. I have to imagine I
Speaker 1: probably don't even need to confirm that, but.
Speaker 2: That that's correct.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yes, here's your Crown King. Well, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Your new show, Big Sugar
Speaker 1: is fascinating, kind of mind expanding. Also just kind of crystallizes,
Speaker 1: to use a sugar industry crystallizes a lot of the
Speaker 1: things that we are ay suspect about the world of
Speaker 1: capitalism and industry in these United States. So thank you
Speaker 1: first of all for your work on that show. It's
Speaker 1: really cool.
Speaker 5: Thanks thanks so much. I mean I learned a lot
Speaker 5: doing it. Also, it's one of those things where you
Speaker 5: kind of pull the thread.
Speaker 4: And it just it's still going exactly everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but you know it's important. This is
Speaker 5: stuff you know, I know. Okay, so this is all
Speaker 5: stuff that we should know. But without diving completely feet
Speaker 5: first into it, I should say that one of my
Speaker 5: big takeaways after doing two years of work on this
Speaker 5: is that I don't think we should have to know this.
Speaker 5: I think that with all the other stuff we have
Speaker 5: going on as citizens, as consumers, I don't think we
Speaker 5: should be responsible for also policing our industries. I think
Speaker 5: that we shouldn't have to be the ones constantly having
Speaker 5: to keep watch over whether industries and employers are following
Speaker 5: basic ethical rules and regulations, both environmental and human.
Speaker 4: So yeah, but I got good news, Celestia. We don't
Speaker 4: have to because that's what the regulators and the government.
Speaker 1: And they're super well funded and up to the task.
Speaker 1: As we'll get into yeah right, all right, Well, we
Speaker 1: are going to get to know you a little bit better.
Speaker 1: We are going to hop into all of that feet first,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about you know, there's this is
Speaker 1: just right chuck full of conspiracies. There's a conspiracy to
Speaker 1: you know, under real real conspiracies. Yeah. I guess people
Speaker 1: now think just conspiracy means conspiracy theory. It's like something else.
Speaker 1: These are real, vast conspiracies to keep the truth about
Speaker 1: the health consequences of sugar quiet and from affecting how
Speaker 1: much sugar can be put into things. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: just this powerful oligarchical family that is kind of at
Speaker 1: the center of the story and basically like slavery that
Speaker 1: exists in the United States, you know, basically to this day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some of the worst working conditions. So we'll talk about
Speaker 1: all of that. But before we get into the new show,
Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guests a little bit
Speaker 1: about themselves, such as, what is something from your search history.
Speaker 1: It's revealing about who you are.
Speaker 5: So I just went through my search history and what
Speaker 5: I found was me looking up specific answers to the
Speaker 5: crossword question for today. Okay, so I looked up a
Speaker 5: very specific Irish word, for example, which was the name of.
Speaker 2: An Irish god, in order to answer a crossword. And
Speaker 2: that's personal because I do the crossword every.
Speaker 5: Single day, get very very long strings a crossword and
Speaker 5: wordle every day.
Speaker 2: So there you go, Oh.
Speaker 1: Are you doing a word wordles? About where I'm max out.
Speaker 2: I'm excellent.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty good at word I mean, I guess I'm
Speaker 5: pretty good at my average.
Speaker 2: I get by the third line.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's good, right, isn't that that's par right? What
Speaker 1: is that?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: That's a birdie? That's a birdie. Oh so this is
Speaker 1: averaging a birdie over here. Okay, that's pretty good, right, wordles?
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, so that's pretty impressive. And then on
Speaker 1: the on the crosswords, I do that too. I google
Speaker 1: for help on specific answers.
Speaker 2: Some of them are like names and like specific.
Speaker 1: Yeah I don't know that stuff. Yeah, that actually makes
Speaker 1: me feel better about myself.
Speaker 4: I was like, wait, you know about like Celtic gods. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 4: what is something that you think is overrated?
Speaker 2: Avocados?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Okay, well come on expand on that.
Speaker 5: Just I mean, I say this, I'm gonna get I'm
Speaker 5: gonna get email. I'm not because I'm from California. I
Speaker 5: just think they're overrated. They put avocados on everything, thinking
Speaker 5: and avocado is improve going to improve everything, and avocados
Speaker 5: do not improve everything.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: So example, Okay, what's something that you're like, you can't
Speaker 4: that's it's? This isn't this isn't that different? You just
Speaker 4: put avocado on it? Is there something specifically like knock
Speaker 4: it off with the avocado on that?
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna say in general, like there's there's things
Speaker 5: like there's sandwiches that shouldn't have avocado on them, Like
Speaker 5: there's hamburgers that shouldn't have avocado.
Speaker 2: Means sometimes maybe, but you bite into a.
Speaker 5: Hamburger and avocado is this is a squishy piece of food, right,
Speaker 5: Like that's gonna be a mess, you know, so maybe
Speaker 5: cool it with the avocados.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you?
Speaker 4: How are you on avocado toast?
Speaker 2: On the avocado toast?
Speaker 1: Right? You know a favorite avocado dish.
Speaker 4: If you got to give it up to avocados in
Speaker 4: one form or the other, where is it perfect.
Speaker 2: I'm from I'm from California. I mean it has to
Speaker 2: be a guacamole.
Speaker 4: But yeah, okay, yeah, I'm just bad at picking. I'm
Speaker 4: bad at timing the ripening of them, Like unless they're
Speaker 4: at the store, I fuck up and like they're like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, three days and then I wait, like the
Speaker 4: fourth day it's I got worms having a party on
Speaker 4: the inside, and I'm like, this up.
Speaker 2: Get you can't go by really by color. You have
Speaker 2: to go by.
Speaker 1: Yeah, squishy, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like it firm like
Speaker 1: an apple.
Speaker 3: I like to.
Speaker 1: I have it crisp. That should have a crunch in
Speaker 1: my book. Interesting and gen Z, I love all of
Speaker 1: your avocado creations. And you know, Savir, save your mail
Speaker 1: for Celeste because I'm team Avocado. Okay, team Avo over here,
Speaker 1: I'm like Howard. Oh, by the way, celest I'm a coward.
Speaker 1: Just in case, yeah that that'll become clear. But there
Speaker 1: will be a lot of disclaimers where I'm like big Sugar,
Speaker 1: we actually are big fans on this podcast.
Speaker 4: Love the Domino Company obviously for everything they've done for us.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I feel like I see now it's funny
Speaker 4: how like the avocado wave, like it became a thing
Speaker 4: I feel like in California like fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1: Where it was just like you will not avoid it.
Speaker 4: And we're like okay, fine, and people are like, Okay,
Speaker 4: this is cool, and now it is to a part
Speaker 4: like for me, avocado tuna sand I like tuna sand which,
Speaker 4: but I see a lot of avocado on tuna sandwiches
Speaker 4: now and I'm like, that's a little too much for me.
Speaker 4: For me personally, not a big fan. But then I
Speaker 4: see how that like it infects the rest of the
Speaker 4: world because when I travel like abroad, you'll see them
Speaker 4: like at an avocado for five euros and you're like, damn,
Speaker 4: that's fucking expensive.
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: I think this pasta dish is fine without the avocado.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, spaghetti bowling ace with avocado with avocado, you gotta
Speaker 1: have some avocado slices thrown in there. I would say,
Speaker 1: just generally like sliced avocado on a sandwich, Like I
Speaker 1: actually really love avocado toast, but like that's a great
Speaker 1: like to to guacamulli that avocado up so that it's
Speaker 1: almost like a spread that just like, oh yeah, he
Speaker 1: stays on there, real nice? Is well? I feel like
Speaker 1: we should see more burgers that have like avocado spread.
Speaker 1: I think that probably the issue there is that so
Speaker 1: many avocado spreads are just like green, like mayonnaise that's
Speaker 1: been dyed green, and so people are distrustful of it.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. Yeah, when when the when the
Speaker 1: little chunk of avocados like squeezing out every which way?
Speaker 4: That's hard, yeah, because it's already like a It's like
Speaker 4: it's just like the slipperyest food anyway it is. And
Speaker 4: sandwiches are known if when they're made incorrectly, you are
Speaker 4: like ejecting elements of a sandwich out the size if
Speaker 4: you bite too hard.
Speaker 5: It's like avocado and cooked mushrooms, like those two slippery things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like banana. If a banana wouldn't like work on
Speaker 1: the thing, it's avocado probably isn't gonna work either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we didn't have generations of you know, avocados being
Speaker 1: slippery the way we did with bananas and cartoons. So right, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, what is something that you think is underrated?
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna stay with food and say Iceberg lettuce,
Speaker 5: so I X you know, I'm a child eighties and
Speaker 5: Iceberg lettuce got such a bad name, right, Like everybody
Speaker 5: was all about the romaine and the kale and.
Speaker 2: Like it had yeah color.
Speaker 5: But I gotta say, I'm coming back around to Iceberg,
Speaker 5: like I think it's gotten a bad wrap.
Speaker 2: So I'm all about the wedge salad lately.
Speaker 1: I love edge, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think it's pretty underrated.
Speaker 4: Fantastic quick question. We like to ask if you're a
Speaker 4: big wedgehead you forking knife in it? Are you just
Speaker 4: taking like a big melon slice?
Speaker 2: I am definitely not melon slicing.
Speaker 1: That is a question we asked all our guests.
Speaker 4: So I feel like the last time the wedge came up,
Speaker 4: I was like, you ever eat it just like a big.
Speaker 1: Wedge of melon. It's literally already.
Speaker 2: Made my opinion clear on messy eating knife.
Speaker 1: And how are you on blue cheese on your melon slices?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 5: I have recently devised alue cheese vinagret dressing woo, so
Speaker 5: I don't like creamy dressings very much, but the blue
Speaker 5: cheese vinaigrette I'm all about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, playing god with the blue cheese vinegarte.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: What was the thing though, Like people were just off
Speaker 4: Iceberg because they're like it has no flavor and it's
Speaker 4: like devoid of saying.
Speaker 5: There's zero nutritional value to it, which turns out to
Speaker 5: be not true.
Speaker 4: Ah, there's a little bit stuff like what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Like what do we get from Iceberg?
Speaker 5: But there is this like ridiculous idea that Romayne lettuce
Speaker 5: had way more nutritional value than Iceberg.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you're gonna say Iceberg has no nutrition vale,
Speaker 5: it's not like Romain has way.
Speaker 1: More, right that it's like a superfood or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a leafy right exactly.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's you're just choosing one leafy green over another.
Speaker 4: I mean, as a child of the eighties, I mean
Speaker 4: the I remember the first time someone put like a
Speaker 4: mixed green salad in front of me, and I almost
Speaker 4: had a panic attack because like, what is these was
Speaker 4: yard trimmings? Like where's Mike crunchy ice also a child.
Speaker 5: Of the eighties, you know, and and and my you know,
Speaker 5: my cafeteria lunches. It was all that light, pale green. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, but that that was all limp and watery,
Speaker 5: and it had been sitting in there walking cooler for yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't know, seven eight weeks. I don't know how
Speaker 5: long it sated there becoming goop. Yeah, and that's kind
Speaker 5: of how it got a bad rep.
Speaker 2: The iceberg needs to be fresh because it's got all that.
Speaker 1: Crisp water in there. Yes, it is the crispy. It's
Speaker 1: water in crisp form and refreshing, Yes, very refreshing. I
Speaker 1: just like to after a jog on a hot day,
Speaker 1: just bite into a big handful of just a big
Speaker 1: head of iceberg lettuce.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you love it. I mean that's why you're
Speaker 4: I think you still can't go to the Whole Foods
Speaker 4: by your house, right, Yeah, they get mad by that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: well look they don't understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they shouldn't have that myster there being so enticing,
Speaker 1: you know, but.
Speaker 4: You know it's wild though, too, like because of factory
Speaker 4: farming and stuff like rome. I remember just how romaine
Speaker 4: let us used to have a flavor and now it doesn't,
Speaker 4: like when you buy it at the store or like
Speaker 4: a arugula too, Like I know when I've had like
Speaker 4: you're like, whoa shit, some peppery ruge. Yeah, but now
Speaker 4: I feel like the rocket, you know, as it's described
Speaker 4: in other places, just it's not coming the same way
Speaker 4: as it used to. Yeah, so you know, I'll go
Speaker 4: back to Iceberg.
Speaker 5: I mean, I will just say, just in defense of Iceberg,
Speaker 5: it does have tassium in vitamin A and vitamin K
Speaker 5: and calcium.
Speaker 2: And vitamin C. I mean, it is not devoid of
Speaker 2: nutritional con right.
Speaker 4: So I wonder who started saying that. That feels like
Speaker 4: such a weird take, because it's like it's still lettuce y'all,
Speaker 4: like the.
Speaker 1: Probably big sugar big probably like you guys should have
Speaker 1: jello instead, Like, wasn't that a big movement in the
Speaker 1: fifties everything who was a green jello replace all salads? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have your vegetables and fruits in jello form. You
Speaker 1: don't need these. Uh, let us.
Speaker 2: Forget about the cuisine in the seventies.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, man, what a time to be alive, I've
Speaker 1: heard and the fashion Yeah yeah, yeah, i'd always heard.
Speaker 1: The other food that I feel like I'm slowly waking
Speaker 1: up to the fact that it has a nutritional value
Speaker 1: is potatoes. Like I had always heard potatoes were just
Speaker 1: like wonderbread essentially like the wonderbread. Yeah, they have like
Speaker 1: a ton of different nutritional value. Am I the only one?
Speaker 1: Did I just maybe like associate too hard between potatoes
Speaker 1: and French fries potentially?
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you might have, I think.
Speaker 4: But then I'm like, you know, like the Inkings gave
Speaker 4: us potatoes, you know what I mean? So like I'm like, here,
Speaker 4: I'll fuck with them. So there's got to be value there.
Speaker 2: Potatoes have a lot of nutrients in them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, and I always knew that, adjusting
Speaker 1: you cut out that part where I said I didn't
Speaker 1: know that. Okay, what is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 5: Whenever people talk about pregnancy, they're always like, it's like
Speaker 5: an alien growing inside of you.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I don't know that's your baby.
Speaker 5: Well that's the thing is it used to be that
Speaker 5: way in a real safe kind of mental picture, right.
Speaker 5: And I had this whole process of sort of like
Speaker 5: coming to terms with this like birthing. Because so for
Speaker 5: other neurodivergent folks out there, ADHD folks, we are relational learners,
Speaker 5: relational learners and very visual and I have to be
Speaker 5: able to picture shit and to be able to like
Speaker 5: fully access it. And I was like freezing up and
Speaker 5: not able to actually plan for my postpartum and third
Speaker 5: trimesters and delivery because I was just like freezing up.
Speaker 5: I was so scared all the time. I was like,
Speaker 5: I can't do this. So the first thing I did,
Speaker 5: if you want to do this too, It really helped
Speaker 5: me to get past the like alien baby mentality into
Speaker 5: something more natural. I started watching a lot of anal
Speaker 5: sex porn. Yeah, just a lot to like really understand
Speaker 5: the movement of the perenium and how it expands and
Speaker 5: it can stretch, and what the human body is capable of,
Speaker 5: just in terms of pressure down there.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a phenomenal thing.
Speaker 5: And a lot I watched a couple of like you
Speaker 5: could look up backstage anal sex preparation. Okay, listen, there
Speaker 5: is some professionalism back there that I am impressed with.
Speaker 1: I think this is correct. But the baby doesn't come
Speaker 1: out of that one though, right.
Speaker 4: I don't wait really wait, I'm actually I could use
Speaker 4: confirmation on this too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, here's what, but whole babies are a thing if
Speaker 2: you tear yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh sure, sure, sure, yeah yeah, yeah, it's sort of
Speaker 4: it's all one.
Speaker 5: But this is what I was so scared of, was
Speaker 5: like the tearing and the you know, and I wanted
Speaker 5: to under stay, like, how how is there a way
Speaker 5: where it's not gonna just be horrifically painful and tear
Speaker 5: and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: I wanted to get myself out of the fear of it.
Speaker 5: And then my husband was like, I understand you going
Speaker 5: to these anal sex sites, but you could also watch
Speaker 5: birthing videos, so yeah, and that blew my mind because
Speaker 5: the obe literally reaches in and is like she's right
Speaker 5: there and touches her head, yeah, and pulls out a
Speaker 5: whole human. And I had this moment where I was like, yo,
Speaker 5: it's not an alien, It's not a picture in an ultrasound.
Speaker 5: This is I just was like really humbled because I
Speaker 5: was like, all of us come from underqualified women's vaginas.
Speaker 5: None of us know what the hell we're doing. I
Speaker 5: think birth is like this noble thing, but we're all
Speaker 5: just like we're so organic. This is this is so mammalian.
Speaker 5: And that connects to my underrated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the alien thing. I wonder if there was a
Speaker 1: strong uptick in that after the film ail like that,
Speaker 1: because oh sure, the most visceral image maybe in film
Speaker 1: history it's chess bursture. See so, and I do think
Speaker 1: that things like that really burrow their way into into
Speaker 1: people's unconscious.
Speaker 5: Well, and here's the other thing I learned about midwife
Speaker 5: activism is that so in.
Speaker 2: Check this out.
Speaker 5: In the forties and the fifties, the popular thing to
Speaker 5: do was to just put women under general anesthesia.
Speaker 1: Right, just knock them out, Just knock them out.
Speaker 5: And they would put them on under like purple and Twilight,
Speaker 5: which if if you're not familiar, those are the drugs
Speaker 5: they give you so that you're like still cooperative but unconscious.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And the hypno birth story is she goes in, I
Speaker 5: totally forget her name, mangan is the last name. She
Speaker 5: goes in and says, I want to deliver naturally. The
Speaker 5: doctor says sure. She wakes up with a baby in
Speaker 5: her arms.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: Right, Like that's how little they listened to anything women
Speaker 5: had to say about their own bodies during birth, right,
Speaker 5: And it was a part of the feminist movement to
Speaker 5: have birth naturally, and that became bigger in the seventies.
Speaker 5: Lamas came around, right, right, and so did alien around
Speaker 5: that time.
Speaker 2: So I bet there's a link up.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that does. Yeah, that makes sense. Really, what's
Speaker 1: something you think is underrated?
Speaker 3: Y'all? We got to talk about Costco? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Uh wait? What is what is that?
Speaker 3: You know? A little a little you know, a little utle.
Speaker 1: Membership store, membership store.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, little mom and pop membership store. I it
Speaker 3: was so funny because I floated around getting a Costco
Speaker 3: membership because I was like, I'm not gonna do it
Speaker 3: because you know, growing up, all our parents had it,
Speaker 3: and you know, we're we try and be trendy. We're
Speaker 3: like we want to go to you know, or your
Speaker 3: parents like, hey, you can you get for me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I've been holding off. I've been holding off.
Speaker 3: But you know, now you know, I got my girl
Speaker 3: living with me, I got a seven year old who's
Speaker 3: just you know, cleaning up, and you know, those bulk
Speaker 3: items really come through. Also, it's a great act. Like
Speaker 3: if you if I take my daughter to Target as
Speaker 3: a whole thing, like you could tell she's bored. She
Speaker 3: never bore that Costco. She was like, what's that? What's this?
Speaker 3: What's that? I'm like, yeah, so I'm and you know,
Speaker 3: the one fifty hot dogs I need to support a
Speaker 3: man who says he will kill you if you try
Speaker 3: and raise the price of his a dollar fifty hot dogs,
Speaker 3: and and that's a that's that's who I want to
Speaker 3: support in this awkhame Like if if he joins a fight,
Speaker 3: that's who my money's on. He's like, oh, oh, sucking,
Speaker 3: sucking elon trying to throw hands. Let me step in there. Uh.
Speaker 1: I've never taken my kids to Costco. I've never thought
Speaker 1: Costco as a as a.
Speaker 3: Like they're going to Target.
Speaker 1: They think Target is cool. They I guess they haven't
Speaker 1: seen the levels that Costco can, yeah, because.
Speaker 3: Because Target's cool, but like it's also a trap because
Speaker 3: once I get down that toy aisle, yeah, and then
Speaker 3: it's a wrap for you. But you know, Costco they
Speaker 3: really don't have like a dedicated toy space. The only
Speaker 3: thing they really kind of go hard on is the books,
Speaker 3: which is like, yeah, you want to get one of
Speaker 3: these books, Yeah, you get this book situation and read something. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you know, beyond that, there's just so much like
Speaker 3: big ship like because you know they have they sell
Speaker 3: whole ass like playground stuff, so they're just like wowed
Speaker 3: by it. She hasn't even tasted a sample.
Speaker 4: Yet, Oh right, man, remember Fedco? Remember there was Fedco. Man,
Speaker 4: That's why I go with my grandpa. We would eat
Speaker 4: for we was doing the FEDC we called the Fedco lunch.
Speaker 4: You go to Fedco and you just hit the samples
Speaker 4: round and around and around, and he'd be like watch this.
Speaker 4: He's like another one, like okay, cool, let's have these
Speaker 4: little smokies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sausages or some shit over and over.
Speaker 4: But oh for people don't know what if you might
Speaker 4: be referencing to. There is a story that the Costco
Speaker 4: president was told like when he the co founder of Costco,
Speaker 4: Jim Senegal, was like, I'll fucking kill you if you
Speaker 4: raise the price on the dollar fifty hot dog.
Speaker 1: They're like, margin don't make sense for us. We're we're
Speaker 1: hemorrhaging money here. And he was like, oh word, I
Speaker 1: how about this.
Speaker 4: He said quote if you raise the price of the
Speaker 4: fucking hot dog, I will kill you, the direct quote
Speaker 4: that the current CEO said. That was the conversation the founder.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Apparently like it was the person who was told
Speaker 3: this who shared this story and it was like more
Speaker 3: of a like a joking tone. But I do love
Speaker 3: the energy of like.
Speaker 4: But you still you can joke, but you know what
Speaker 4: you're trying to say. Oh you're like, yeah, I kill
Speaker 4: you man. If you read h.
Speaker 3: Yeah you are, You're out of here. And and they
Speaker 3: ended up finding ways to like cut costs, and it
Speaker 3: was through developing their own hot dogs. Through that, so
Speaker 3: to do that, they then started developing their hot dogs
Speaker 3: and then selling it.
Speaker 1: In stores mostly made of sawdust at this point. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, still that good though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's juice. I mean it's juicy. You know, it's
Speaker 3: the juiciest piece of.
Speaker 4: I bet Costco, like those stores first blew my mind
Speaker 4: because I had never seen the sheer amounts of these
Speaker 4: kinds of foods. Like I would go to the store
Speaker 4: with my mom or whatever, my dad, and you're just
Speaker 4: seeing like one box of fruit roll ups, you know.
Speaker 1: And then you go to Costco. You're like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck is this? Like barrel of them, a nation of fruit?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah, you're like, oh this, And with like
Speaker 4: my little greedy kid mine, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I want that.
Speaker 1: Give me the barrel of that shit. You don't go bad?
Speaker 1: Yeah no no, And they look.
Speaker 4: We've we've seen how much they go for in Israel
Speaker 4: because of TikTok.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the you'll have Taqito's for months, for a year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll be waiting for But that's how I ate.
Speaker 4: When I was twelve, I ate Tyson's kariaki frozen chicken
Speaker 4: breasts every fucking day of like from twelve to fifteen.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure your intake was off the charts.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and who knows what else the chemicals was
Speaker 4: off the charts too. Tyson reformed rib meat patties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, White, The man's built like a brick shit house exactly.
Speaker 1: And yeah, all right, well, speaking of built like a
Speaker 1: brick ship house, we will take a quick break and
Speaker 1: come back and talk about Mark Zuckerberg, the Brazilian jiu
Speaker 1: jitsu master who also people might not remember this, but
Speaker 1: you first found out about him from the social network
Speaker 1: and his work on Facebook, but now famous martial artist
Speaker 1: and he's got an upcoming fight that might be interesting people.
Speaker 1: And we're back, and uh, the GOP back on their fuckery.
Speaker 1: What's the latest, Miles.
Speaker 4: It's not much here, but I just want to I
Speaker 4: just want to mention this because again, the fuck face
Speaker 4: wing of the Republican Party, the Freedom Caucus, they were like,
Speaker 4: they're like.
Speaker 1: This is bullshit. The dead ceiling. Ah, we fucking hate this.
Speaker 4: We need to we need to cut all spending, especially
Speaker 4: to social safety nets.
Speaker 1: But remember they did make a deal. They're a public
Speaker 1: they did a deal. They figured out.
Speaker 4: Remember they said it was gonna be real bad for
Speaker 4: the economy, but if we don't make this deal. The
Speaker 4: last minute, they made the deal and Republicans agreed to
Speaker 4: fund the government and pay you know, any outstanding balances
Speaker 4: so forth. But guess what now they're deciding they can
Speaker 4: fuck shit up by going after appropriations bills.
Speaker 1: To cut spending.
Speaker 4: So these are the bills that are essentially that spell
Speaker 4: out exactly how these budgets are, how the money is spent.
Speaker 4: So their little fucking, you know, clever logic here is
Speaker 4: saying like, well, you know, I know, we agreed to
Speaker 4: all these figures and the debt ceiling bill, you know,
Speaker 4: and like that. But to us, that was just a cap.
Speaker 4: You know, that just means we could go up to
Speaker 4: that amount. There's nothing to say we can't go below
Speaker 4: that by one hundred and twenty billion dollars. And that
Speaker 4: is now the logic that they are parading around in
Speaker 4: some of these committees, which is basically saying like, we
Speaker 4: just agreed to that being like a number, the top number,
Speaker 4: and meanwhile, like every other sane human being is saying, like,
Speaker 4: how is that a fucking deal if you say this
Speaker 4: is the number we're agreeing to for this debt ceiling
Speaker 4: and then you reneg on that after the fact and
Speaker 4: be like, actually, no, that just that means that that's
Speaker 4: that's just the that's just the highest. So this is
Speaker 4: going to be an issue obviously with the Democrats and
Speaker 4: the White House and also the Senate, because they're always
Speaker 4: the ones who have to like end up seeing these
Speaker 4: bills and be like, fuck, man, like, what are we
Speaker 4: what is this?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: Don't they know how to just fucking do the bare
Speaker 4: minimum spoiler alert they don't and send it. Republicans aren't
Speaker 4: even really happy with this because even like some of
Speaker 4: their like they've somehow awoke from their maga coma in
Speaker 4: the Senate and you have people like this senator I
Speaker 4: don't even I don't even bother to figure out who
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you exactly who it was.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, John Kennedy, who is famously not the most
Speaker 4: consistent senator that we have to said quote, if you
Speaker 4: propose a compromise, you need to tell the truth and
Speaker 4: tell people exactly what the compromise is. I can tell
Speaker 4: you that senators are tired of getting the compromise, voting
Speaker 4: for it, or even not voting for it and finding
Speaker 4: out later that wasn't the truth.
Speaker 1: So this is him complaining about this like last minute switch.
Speaker 4: Room exactly from the Freedom Caucus freaks who are like,
Speaker 4: this is how we can get this is how we
Speaker 4: can extract our pound of flesh or whatever. And even
Speaker 4: Kevin McCarthy is like, yeah, I mean, I guess, like
Speaker 4: I get that logic, but I had to kind of
Speaker 4: make a deal with them to keep my gavel.
Speaker 1: That's really cool. So there's Yeah, so bringing a bigger,
Speaker 1: bigger gabble to work every day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, try and take this so fucking heavy, but yeah,
Speaker 4: I get anyway more more brinkmanship on the way.
Speaker 1: And systemically this to For some reason, this reminded me
Speaker 1: of like the conversation we were having in our episode
Speaker 1: where we interviewed you know, where we were talking about
Speaker 1: big sugar in the sugar industry and.
Speaker 2: How there phenomenal episode.
Speaker 1: Thank you The Yeah Great Great podcast by the way
Speaker 1: everybody should go listen. But you know, early in the episode,
Speaker 1: Celeste is talking about how they or early in the season,
Speaker 1: like they win a victory, like they sue on behalf
Speaker 1: of all these sugarcane workers and like get this big
Speaker 1: settlement for sugar cane workers, like fifty million dollars and
Speaker 1: it's a huge win. But then the side that is
Speaker 1: like capital and private money and private capital just pushes
Speaker 1: back and just keeps pushing and they have more time
Speaker 1: and more energy and more weight in our world because
Speaker 1: as they're able to just do it, so like even
Speaker 1: it's just like even a small win like getting them
Speaker 1: to let the economy keep moving and like having spending
Speaker 1: for these programs like they there's still a way for
Speaker 1: them to clod back. There's still a way for them
Speaker 1: to just make any any victory on behalf of like
Speaker 1: social spending and social welfare into a loss because the
Speaker 1: system is just set up to favor any anything that
Speaker 1: is going to get in the way of you know,
Speaker 1: social welfare and allow people to like it's just better
Speaker 1: for them to have a thing where they're just like, no,
Speaker 1: we just privatize everything, and it's like why.
Speaker 2: Why are they such cartoon villains.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, because we're at that phase too, where we
Speaker 4: really have people who have no business civics. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: at the even most basic level, who have basically racist
Speaker 4: memed their way into Congress.
Speaker 2: Exactly, like that's how they got there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then like, okay, what do you want to
Speaker 4: do with these budgets about huh I don't like Joe Brandon.
Speaker 4: They're like, oh no, okay, well this is bad how
Speaker 4: because there's a lot of people saying, oh, yeah, if
Speaker 4: we have another government shutdown, that won't be that bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah it would be. It would be.
Speaker 4: But again, this is this is the back and forth
Speaker 4: that we get to witness firsthand as we welcome new.
Speaker 2: Life, a whole party of I want to die alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah truly. Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 5: The same mentality, I don't care, I want to die alone.
Speaker 1: Let me die alone.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of racists, one of them has taken Molly
Speaker 1: and realized that they were racists and that being racist
Speaker 1: sucks white supremacy.
Speaker 5: What what are you trying to tell me that the
Speaker 5: villainized drug of the seventies that was the smoke screen
Speaker 5: to cover up the Korean War it actually turns out
Speaker 5: to be good.
Speaker 4: It might just might, but don't hold your breath now.
Speaker 1: But even around in the seventies, I mean, I knew
Speaker 1: it was like first thing out as a party drug
Speaker 1: in Dallas. But isn't Molly Molly's.
Speaker 2: Like Molly is m D M A. I thought it
Speaker 2: was okay, m D m A.
Speaker 4: Let's be let's be a little scientific here, I say Molly,
Speaker 4: because you know I'm out here in the streets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's m D m A. It is
Speaker 1: being treated as a psychedelic that is like being researched heavily,
Speaker 1: not as a thing that you just like give out
Speaker 1: to people, but as a therapeutic instrument that where like
Speaker 1: during a therapy session you are giving it, and then
Speaker 1: there's like a guided therapy session in which the kind
Speaker 1: of you know, effects of the M D M A
Speaker 1: help you come to turn with different parts of your
Speaker 1: emotional like scaffolding and like how you've been built and
Speaker 1: how you've built yourself kind of accidentally and haphazardly in
Speaker 1: the dark of your unconscious, like you now have access
Speaker 1: to that stuff. And whereas like during normal therapy you're
Speaker 1: just talking to a person and it can be difficult
Speaker 1: or take time. I guess it's like the thing that
Speaker 1: you hear a lot is that it's just a shortcut
Speaker 1: to like get into a lot of these issues that
Speaker 1: people need to be able to address them. That takes
Speaker 1: a lot of time and a lot of like breaking
Speaker 1: down barriers to get to.
Speaker 5: The best analogy I heard for it was that because MDMA,
Speaker 5: it fills your receptors with love drugs, right, It's like
Speaker 5: a love drug. It's people explain that it's sort of
Speaker 5: like when you're wanting to dive into trauma just raw
Speaker 5: like that with a therapist one on one, it's kind
Speaker 5: of like pouring an empty picture, right and trying to
Speaker 5: drink from that cup, versus with MDMA, then you're actually
Speaker 5: sort of filling the picture with water. You're filling your
Speaker 5: receptors with good feeling and then tackling the trauma.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And I have a few friends that it was absolutely
Speaker 2: life changing for.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I mean we see the research constantly how
Speaker 4: it's helped, especially with people like with PTSD and soldiers
Speaker 4: with stress and like traumas it relates to like racial
Speaker 4: abuse and shit like that. It's like all we see
Speaker 4: are like positives here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a Psychedelic Science conference happening in Denver this
Speaker 1: week actually, and like there's just so much learning and
Speaker 1: so it's a very exciting time for people who are
Speaker 1: in medicine and like kind of interested in using these tools.
Speaker 1: Like the research that's coming through is that it's like
Speaker 1: a very powerful tool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and a great documentary by Michael Pollin. Yeah on Netflix,
Speaker 5: during which I was narrowly missing my husband both.
Speaker 4: Oh so not the most engaging. You got a little board.
Speaker 2: There some parts I was like, I get it, I
Speaker 2: get it, I.
Speaker 1: Get it, I get it.
Speaker 4: All right, ball smash times, I mean narrowly missed, narrowly
Speaker 4: miss narrowly smashing them. But this story is from a
Speaker 4: comes out of a recent study in the unit from
Speaker 4: the University of Chicago where researchers were looking at how
Speaker 4: MDMA was like enhancing the pleasantness of certain types of
Speaker 4: physical touch. And one participant stuck out to the researchers
Speaker 4: there his name Brendan, because at the end of the trial,
Speaker 4: this guy, Brendan, filled out the final questionnaire and at
Speaker 4: the bottom of the form when they're talking about like
Speaker 4: how do you feel going like after this whole experience,
Speaker 4: wrote quote, this experience has helped me sort out a
Speaker 4: debilitating personal issue. Google them google my name. I now
Speaker 4: know what I need to do. When they looked at that,
Speaker 4: they said, holy wait, what the fuck does this person
Speaker 4: mean by I now know what I need to do,
Speaker 4: like go talk to them right now.
Speaker 1: That yeah, because they also googled.
Speaker 4: They googled his name and found out that, like, like
Speaker 4: about a year or two prior to this study, he
Speaker 4: was docksed by like Antifa like researchers who are basically
Speaker 4: trying to put out all these names of prominent Nazis
Speaker 4: and white supremacists in the US, and he was one
Speaker 4: of them. He led a very prominent group in the Midwest,
Speaker 4: So they were like, what the fuck When they asked him,
Speaker 4: They're like, yo, so what's this plan, white supremacist guy?
Speaker 1: Now that you've had some like MDMA, he.
Speaker 4: Said, quote, just realized love is the most important thing.
Speaker 1: Quote.
Speaker 4: I felt in that moment that all of my priorities
Speaker 4: in my life were just so messed up the way
Speaker 4: I was interacting with people, particularly people who are close
Speaker 4: to me. But there was also an almost euphoric feeling,
Speaker 4: a feeling of love and I concluded that was the
Speaker 4: sort of feeling that I should strive to permeate across
Speaker 4: the world. So they're like, oh, okay, his background was,
Speaker 4: you know, in high school he leaned liberal, but then
Speaker 4: he got to college, joined a frat of like affluent
Speaker 4: white guys that were conservative, and then that being around
Speaker 4: those people slowly sent him down like that radicalization rabbit
Speaker 4: hole of like hey you should read this book. Hey
Speaker 4: you should check this podcast out. Hey you should check
Speaker 4: out what they're saying on Fox. And next thing, you know,
Speaker 4: he's leading a you know, he's in fucking Charlottesville, like
Speaker 4: with a tiki torture.
Speaker 1: Wow, like leading people. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So now this isn't to say like MDMA is a
Speaker 4: cure all because this guy was in a period of
Speaker 4: like serious self reflection after being like outed, losing his job,
Speaker 4: and like there's like relationships, like close relationships began to
Speaker 4: fall apart. But he said that really had him in
Speaker 4: a state where he was trying to figure out what
Speaker 4: was going wrong, since up to that point he thought
Speaker 4: he was on like a good trajectory with all this nonsense,
Speaker 4: and many experts like agree, they're like, yeah, intention is
Speaker 4: the key here when using psychedelics. It's not like you
Speaker 4: could just air drop a bunch of MDMA on the
Speaker 4: state of Florida and then like we're gonna move on, right, Like, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you have to have the intention to at least be
Speaker 4: open to looking at your own life and being a
Speaker 4: period of self reflection. Because again, this isn't some magic
Speaker 4: racism or racer and all.
Speaker 1: So it's also not a pill that you take and
Speaker 1: have this insight. Again, it is part of a like
Speaker 1: total program of therapy where you're working with a therapist
Speaker 1: who knows you and has a sense of like where
Speaker 1: where you're at. And it's that I feel like there's
Speaker 1: just going to be a tendency for Americans to be like,
Speaker 1: all right, so I take this thing and like things,
Speaker 1: things are good again, it's like a I take it
Speaker 1: like tail and all, and we're good. No, it's actually
Speaker 1: part of working on yourself, which is uncomfortable. This just
Speaker 1: makes it gives you an ability to do uncomfortable work
Speaker 1: a little bit more freely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And there's like, you know, one of the
Speaker 4: researchers that were spoken to for this article from UCLA
Speaker 4: was just saying, like, you know, all psychedelics have the
Speaker 4: potential to help people get in touch with new perspectives
Speaker 4: for other radicalized individuals, She says, a drug like ayahuasca
Speaker 4: could be useful because it's like taking sort of a
Speaker 4: good hard look at yourself in the mirror. She goes, Honestly,
Speaker 4: that's why ayahuasca kind of has a reputation of doing
Speaker 4: the people, kind of showing them maybe where they screwed
Speaker 4: up and how they got there in a compassionate way.
Speaker 1: Like which is also there's.
Speaker 5: All kinds of studies of doing this on cops with
Speaker 5: PTSD that have been highly successful. It's like more prevalently
Speaker 5: used in the UK. There's lots of research studies on
Speaker 5: it there right here. It was like it became demonized,
Speaker 5: like Nixon demonized it all, and it became part of
Speaker 5: the like smoke screen, look at LSD, look at all
Speaker 5: these you know, who's products.
Speaker 4: Not creeping inequality or that kind of shit.
Speaker 5: It kind of blew my mind that the guy who
Speaker 5: invented the PCR study found it during an during an
Speaker 5: LSD trip.
Speaker 1: What's the PCR study?
Speaker 5: Like, you know PCRs like the molecular what is it
Speaker 5: that you do for COVID? You take like a PCR test.
Speaker 4: Yeah's chain reaction.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he visualized it in an LSD trip.
Speaker 4: Oh, because that's how you visualize DNA samples, right.
Speaker 2: That's like the whole Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Francis Crick actually the guy who discovered they couldn't figure
Speaker 1: out the structure of the DNA double helix, and he
Speaker 1: had the insight of the double helix shape while tripping
Speaker 1: on LSD and also after reading a bunch of research
Speaker 1: by a woman who had already figured it out. Then
Speaker 1: he just I guess he got a lot of credit trifecta.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think again, like, it's it's interesting to
Speaker 4: hear this guy Brendan talk about it too, because he's
Speaker 4: all saying, like, this isn't going to solve our society.
Speaker 4: It's not like this is a cure all, but it
Speaker 4: is clear it helps people. He goes, I say, quote,
Speaker 4: a lot of these guys who end up in these
Speaker 4: movements have a history.
Speaker 1: Of doing MDMA.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He's like, but you have to have the right framing
Speaker 4: and mindset, because that's the only way you can somehow
Speaker 4: be somewhat open to reconsidering your own ideologies. He said, quote,
Speaker 4: it helped me see things in a different way that
Speaker 4: no amount of therapy or anti racist literature ever would
Speaker 4: have done. He still says he struggles with like these
Speaker 4: beliefs that he has, but he's completely like has been
Speaker 4: able to sort of step outside of this like white
Speaker 4: supremacist ideology, like oh, this doesn't serve me at all
Speaker 4: or what I want like my life to be. So
Speaker 4: it's it's it's a very like interesting story. I know
Speaker 4: a lot of people, like the shorthand would be like,
Speaker 4: all right, MDMA for like everybody that that's the thing,
Speaker 4: but we what we it's a it's a combination of
Speaker 4: things that really help you.
Speaker 1: But the version that he did is a clinical like
Speaker 1: you know, under super under medical supervision, and that stuff
Speaker 1: is much harder to do in the United States than
Speaker 1: in other places because tier points are it's been demonized,
Speaker 1: and so like that is the thing that it can
Speaker 1: be useful in a society where they're willing to just
Speaker 1: accept what a powerful tool it can be for therapy.
Speaker 5: But I don't know, I say, I'm kind of on
Speaker 5: the side of everybody, let's try it, because right now
Speaker 5: a lot of people are doing that with adderall right,
Speaker 5: and treating it like the drug that's gonna fix all
Speaker 5: my behavioral shit. And I see and I see it
Speaker 5: all the time, and I and there's so much else
Speaker 5: that Adderall does too, that is like so detrimental. And
Speaker 5: by the way, the like myth of the Swiss cheese
Speaker 5: brain is actually like an adderall side effect, not not
Speaker 5: an LSD md M, a psychedelics side effect.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that was like.
Speaker 5: A whole propaganda train, yeah, back in the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 5: So for the way that like we Americans do stuff,
Speaker 5: I'm just like, I don't know, maybe more of us
Speaker 5: should just be like smoking pot and doing MDMA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it should be. It should be less sumatized
Speaker 1: unless illegal, for sure. I'm just saying if you're gonna.
Speaker 5: Pick, if you're gonna polarize, yeah, rather than going the
Speaker 5: route of like cocaine an ad or all in coffee.
Speaker 1: Right, But those help you, those help you do work.
Speaker 1: Those help you do work.
Speaker 5: And look at all these look at all these phenomenal
Speaker 5: scientists that got shied done on LSD.
Speaker 4: Right right, but piped down about that because then you
Speaker 4: might not have pharmaceutical.
Speaker 1: But yeah, totally. You can see the values of our
Speaker 1: society based on what versus illegal, And yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that the the legalization and the stigma makes it
Speaker 1: much harder for therapist, Like therapists are afraid of losing
Speaker 1: their license. It's very few people that get access to
Speaker 1: this type of therapy and this type of like official sanctioned,
Speaker 1: like well designed therapy work that this person had had
Speaker 1: access to. So yeah, it just it needs to be
Speaker 1: destigmatized across the board and made more less illegal.
Speaker 4: And just like thinking right about like the packing your trauma, right,
Speaker 4: because so many of us we go through shit and
Speaker 4: we just lock it up, We leave it in the
Speaker 4: back of our minds and then wonder why like it
Speaker 4: ends up festering and affects other dimensions of our relationships
Speaker 4: and personalized I have nothing to do with even that
Speaker 4: specific event that happened, right, And the power of being
Speaker 4: able to examine that is a huge part of having
Speaker 4: any kind of growth, because most growth is not happening
Speaker 4: because we don't have the ability or the openness to
Speaker 4: reflect on these things we've been through because it's so
Speaker 4: deeply uncomfortable. And it kind of reminded me there's like
Speaker 4: this recent clip I hate to bring up Tucker Carlson,
Speaker 4: but he was on Megan Kelly's show, and the way
Speaker 4: he talks about his mother's death, You're like, this is
Speaker 4: exactly what the fuck like goes on with people, right, Like,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna play this because he's so casual about
Speaker 4: this and I don't, like, I understand, like there's a
Speaker 4: lot to do, like his own abandoned issues with his mother,
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. But hearing someone talk like this,
Speaker 4: You're like, man, motherfucker could use some molly. But anyway,
Speaker 4: this is just like hear him talk just about his mother.
Speaker 6: But you know, our mom was not a fan of
Speaker 6: us and was pretty direct about it, and you know
Speaker 6: that's obviously.
Speaker 3: Hurts when you're little.
Speaker 6: But then I realized you can't control it, you know,
Speaker 6: you just can't.
Speaker 3: Control it, and your mother doesn't like you, Okay, boohoo.
Speaker 3: You know it sounds really terrible.
Speaker 6: And the day it actually happened, when I got this call,
Speaker 6: like she's dying and in this weird little town and
Speaker 6: set on a farm that she lived on in southwestern
Speaker 6: France and she was basically French at this point, spent
Speaker 6: her life there. You should go visit her, And so
Speaker 6: I called my brother and he's like, what, No, you know,
Speaker 6: my son's got a soccer game. And I said, I
Speaker 6: feel the same way. I don't know this person. And
Speaker 6: actually this sounds cold or whatever, but I had already
Speaker 6: kind of made my peace with this over many decades,
Speaker 6: over thirty five years, and I didn't fall apart at all.
Speaker 6: I went out to dinner. I mean, I felt sad
Speaker 6: for her. I guess I don't know much about her.
Speaker 6: She was an artist, she had shows. Okay, I guess
Speaker 6: and all.
Speaker 3: That, but she wasn't part of my life. I wasn't
Speaker 3: part of hers.
Speaker 2: And yeah, this explained so much.
Speaker 1: I didn't fall apart. I just built myself brick by
Speaker 1: brick into a horrifying months cross exactly toxic masculinity. So
Speaker 1: didn't fall apart though I didn't comment.
Speaker 4: I put I created a whole set made of wood,
Speaker 4: and I screamed from it.
Speaker 1: Like, Also, did.
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson just say he's an immigrant? Is he French?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: No, you're talking about how his mom immigrated to France
Speaker 4: and he's like my mom saying she's basically French because she.
Speaker 2: Left his mom expatted his mom's.
Speaker 1: A hippie who left them at a very young age
Speaker 1: to like hippie it up and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at six, his mom was like, you kind of
Speaker 2: suck and.
Speaker 1: That's he has that. Well.
Speaker 4: The other thing too, is he's I think he's also
Speaker 4: referencing the fact that later in life his mother hated
Speaker 4: his politics and famously like it was after she passed away. Right,
Speaker 4: she was also an heiress. She had a lot of money. Wow,
Speaker 4: and when she passed no, no, no Swanson is who was
Speaker 4: his father remarried. Yeah, but when his mother passed her
Speaker 4: estate was it was sort of contentious where the money
Speaker 4: was going, and him and his brother fought her husband
Speaker 4: over the money. Despite him being like I don't care
Speaker 4: about her, I've moved on. Him and his brother they
Speaker 4: had a long protracted legal battle over her estate. And
Speaker 4: what happened was later on they found her will in
Speaker 4: a book that she had handwritten, and she had only
Speaker 4: left her Tucker and his brother one dollar.
Speaker 1: Each, so they got something.
Speaker 4: But still like for it's like you can tell all
Speaker 4: of this like pain swirling around, like you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: clearly she they had a contentious relationship, but he was
Speaker 4: also like, I need that fucking money too.
Speaker 5: It's just the thing that actually you know someone else
Speaker 5: talks about their mom like that.
Speaker 2: Bob Durst.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yep, Bro, Robert Durst, Yep, you said, Bob,
Speaker 4: that was I was like, hold on, you're kicking it
Speaker 4: with Bob, right.
Speaker 2: I mean I did watch that whole documentary.
Speaker 4: Just burping up. Yeah, after having memories of my mother.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, like again, these are you just
Speaker 4: sort of see examples all the time. And I'm not
Speaker 4: trying to lay everything at like you know them mom.
Speaker 2: A lot of sociopaths and psychopaths will cite their relationship
Speaker 2: with their mom as the reason for their behavior.
Speaker 4: Good and I me it surely has to do with
Speaker 4: his like very you know, misogynistic worldview.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because they don't understand empathy, but they are included
Speaker 5: into pity, right, and so they look that's one of
Speaker 5: the formative ways that they look to access sympathy.
Speaker 1: Mm.
Speaker 4: Well, look, he wasn't really bummed out by it at all.
Speaker 4: He went to dinner. Okay, Next question, Megan, next question.
Speaker 5: Also think it's funny that he like it's it's almost
Speaker 5: an insult to his six year old self. How he
Speaker 5: responds to it. You know, what I mean is like
Speaker 5: you now you're going to like tell your six years
Speaker 5: old self that like you didn't dissociate, you just weren't
Speaker 5: bummed out by it at all.
Speaker 1: But you know it did. It did.
Speaker 4: There's no way it didn't. But again, hey, we get it.
Speaker 4: That's where you were forged in like the fires of
Speaker 4: like a Vart Marvel villain.
Speaker 1: It was truly like it would be two on the
Speaker 1: nose for a Marvel villain, like yeah, yeah, it would
Speaker 1: just be like, all right, that's a little pet. His
Speaker 1: hippie mom let him and then like he hated any
Speaker 1: money and he like went on TV and was like,
Speaker 1: my mom didn't like me, And I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1: While like you know, just like fucking steam rolling over
Speaker 1: like just a lifetime of pain. I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1: I didn't fall apart. I'm together, o fucked solid all right. Anyways,
Speaker 1: all right, look at my wood set. Let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break to Marvel over Tucker's wood set and uh
Speaker 1: well we'll be right back, and we're back. And credits
Speaker 1: for Marvel's new show which I don't know has has
Speaker 1: anybody seen it? The iund like credits the Alien Invasion
Speaker 1: one AI, Secret Invasion, Secret Invasion. Yes, so just premiered,
Speaker 1: and it's got a credit sequence created by quote an
Speaker 1: AI vendor, which is not that shocking because it kind
Speaker 1: of looks like shit.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it looks like all that terrible AI art
Speaker 4: that like animated AI art. It has this like look
Speaker 4: that's just like not just it's shitty, it's just really
Speaker 4: fucking bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Did you have any of you seen the full the
Speaker 4: full credit sequence?
Speaker 3: No, I have not.
Speaker 1: I just watched it. It's so it's.
Speaker 4: Like really unbelievable that a company that has like a
Speaker 4: background in animation and then a brand that's like rooted
Speaker 4: in comic books goes for some of the most uninspiring
Speaker 4: animatics I've ever seen, like truly like they're not even
Speaker 4: it's not even like, yo, this is actually wild. It's
Speaker 4: just like this looks like amateur hour kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: And I guess only unless you're like wowed by the
Speaker 4: idea that it's AI that maybe you look at it differently,
Speaker 4: but objectively you look at and you're like, is this
Speaker 4: like the.
Speaker 1: Bootleg version of this show? Right? Yeah? Yeah. So the
Speaker 1: executive producer Ali Salim said that he thought the AI
Speaker 1: credits felt explorative and inevitable and exciting and different. Oh,
Speaker 1: although he doesn't really understand how it all works. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how. I don't know, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the fact like saying it's explorative and inevitable kind
Speaker 1: of give you away the game. It's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is it's progress. Just fused your eyes on this,
Speaker 1: all right, So we're watching Miles is showing us the clip.
Speaker 3: Yeah this this looks like every AI TikTok. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not like it's funny that they're like explorative.
Speaker 3: It's like in what way when in the way that
Speaker 3: everyone who has access to a cell phone has been
Speaker 3: doing this like you like, you know, like it is
Speaker 3: just it's weird to see how many people are just
Speaker 3: trying so hard to push this agenda that that AI
Speaker 3: is the future and this that and the third and
Speaker 3: and and we need to go we need to just
Speaker 3: get on board, because it's just proving the longer it
Speaker 3: goes on that it just isn't there. And everyone, you know,
Speaker 3: everyone keeps trying to like keep it relevant by being
Speaker 3: like yet until it learns, until it learns, and it's like, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: that's gonna be stopped. I mean you already have Drake,
Speaker 3: you know, suing over the AI music, Like I don't
Speaker 3: see AI in legal terms making it much farther because
Speaker 3: it is it is just derivative of you know, established
Speaker 3: copywritten stuff and is just kind of mishmashing enough stuff
Speaker 3: together to say it's a new thing. And at a
Speaker 3: certain point people are just gonna be like, okay, cool.
Speaker 3: Then you need to show the data in what your
Speaker 3: you know, computer learning used to get that, and you
Speaker 3: need to pay me if my name was there, and
Speaker 3: then AI's gone overnight, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, the company behind the scene, behind the sequence
Speaker 1: released a statement being like the AI was merely a
Speaker 1: tool used by these artists whose name we didn't list,
Speaker 1: and then I get I guess in the actual credits,
Speaker 1: you can see the people's names, but like one of
Speaker 1: them seems to be made up, Like the AI technical
Speaker 1: director is credited in the show as Sagan's Carl, which
Speaker 1: people are like, are you just reworking Carl Sagan's name
Speaker 1: because that name has no Internet presence other than this
Speaker 1: one credit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm really curious, Like and is that then
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, so you actually did credit the AI, right,
Speaker 4: Like are you just doing that sort of like tongue
Speaker 4: in cheeks, they'd be like. And then Sagan's Carl, the
Speaker 4: homie that came up with this real lukewarm, fucking uninspiring opening.
Speaker 1: It's gonna it's gonna be a I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, like I I can see you see a
Speaker 4: lot of people who hear AI and they just get excited,
Speaker 4: but like to like, it sounds like this producer is
Speaker 4: like one of these people just uncritically being like, yeah, man,
Speaker 4: it's like I hear like it's like all over the place.
Speaker 4: So we figured this would be like a cool way
Speaker 4: to step in. I don't know how it works. I
Speaker 4: don't know if that's like worth replacing, like actual human
Speaker 4: beings who are artists who could provide something that is
Speaker 4: like miles ahead of this, But I don't know if
Speaker 4: that would be cool. Plus also, look, let's be real,
Speaker 4: the budgets got scrapped and we had to use an
Speaker 4: AI the cheapest way to get it done, which is
Speaker 4: probably I don't know. To me, that's what it sounds.
Speaker 4: The reason you would do something like this is to
Speaker 4: save money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the whole Like when you look
Speaker 1: at the we we are not you know, like if
Speaker 1: you listen to this show, like you you're probably not
Speaker 1: getting the impression like everyone's super excited about AI. But
Speaker 1: like the stock market, like the the markets are so
Speaker 1: excited about AI, Like that's driving like all the growth
Speaker 1: on the stock market in the past like year or
Speaker 1: so is like how excited people are about AI. So
Speaker 1: you just really get a sense from like, you know,
Speaker 1: this executive producer who he's listening to is people who
Speaker 1: are on the money side and are just like, we
Speaker 1: can make all this work disappear, and that is so exciting.
Speaker 4: Hey, Mark, Mark, show him that, Show him that one
Speaker 4: opening you asked the AI to make for the for
Speaker 4: a Hulk show.
Speaker 1: We just made up. Look at that a computer just
Speaker 1: did that. I just typed a word in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm telling you this is the future, man,
Speaker 4: It's the future. And the thing that's like I also
Speaker 4: hear a lot of people too, like I get from
Speaker 4: friends who work in the nonprofit space, like how as
Speaker 4: Chad Gpt has helped them with grant writing, and I
Speaker 4: could see how like for something like that, it may
Speaker 4: feel like this really mundane process that you can just
Speaker 4: kind of now free some mental bandwidth up. But as
Speaker 4: I hear more about like people using it for writing
Speaker 4: and things too, Like I'm just not sure we are
Speaker 4: going to be able to adjust what like a curriculum
Speaker 4: needs to look like in a world filled with AI
Speaker 4: that is like is actually at the same pace that
Speaker 4: the AI develops, because I feel like the worst case
Speaker 4: scenario is like we embrace all this and people have
Speaker 4: just lost the ability to think because it's like just
Speaker 4: easy to be like I don't know, I type my
Speaker 4: desires into this blank box and then something appears.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, well we'll see if this Segon's
Speaker 1: Carl turns out to just have an amazing career in
Speaker 1: that he's just some guy, Like did they hire did
Speaker 1: they use the AI to like concoct the live for them?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Is that the at the end? I know we had
Speaker 1: artists merely Yeah, I mean that would be that would
Speaker 1: also be wilder.
Speaker 4: It's like, but I am Sagan's Carl, Yeah, and were
Speaker 4: my name being Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 3: I can't open the door.
Speaker 1: Help with me, you guys, Arizona Tea fans, I only
Speaker 1: drink one. I'm like loyal, and which one you want?
Speaker 3: Mucho?
Speaker 1: Mango mango?
Speaker 3: I fuck with that watermelon. And I remember when that
Speaker 3: energy r X dropped and I thought I was on
Speaker 3: some new new I was like, Oh, this is gonna
Speaker 3: be what I need to do these long nights.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think at the very beginning, I was like, I
Speaker 4: remember the peach one blew my mind. And then I
Speaker 4: was on the Ginsen Green tea one for a while
Speaker 4: because I think just the colors were like very vapor
Speaker 4: wavy for me, like in the late hangs.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: But now whenever I ifever I dagn to grab a
Speaker 4: can of Arizona, it's Muco mango. I don't know, I
Speaker 4: think it's the most chemically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it feels like thick, right, Muco mango.
Speaker 4: Like it's not I mean like you mean like it's
Speaker 4: not no, no, it's like a juice basically it's pure whatever,
Speaker 4: pure unhealth.
Speaker 1: So these these are this is ranking the tea flavors.
Speaker 1: One of them is like part mucho mango. But oh
Speaker 1: yeah that one yeah, half and half iced tea and
Speaker 1: mango is their lowest ranked on this list of taste.
Speaker 1: They're actually given that an Arnold Palmer half and half
Speaker 1: the like, which is I have to say, just based
Speaker 1: on seeing the iconic can many different places like that,
Speaker 1: those have to be a couple of their most popular, right,
Speaker 1: those are those are getting the lowest marks, and then
Speaker 1: you know up top you got your Like number five
Speaker 1: is iced tea with lemon flavor, which is that's the
Speaker 1: high that's number five. That's not okay, the green tea
Speaker 1: with jins and honey is number three, But that and
Speaker 1: that's like one of the more iconic cans with like
Speaker 1: the cherry blossom.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, that shit has like there were so many.
Speaker 4: I feel like Rebok did a shoe based on that can.
Speaker 4: Like that can is like it's basically the new aesthetic.
Speaker 4: It's like the solo fucking jazz cups. Yeah you know,
Speaker 4: it's like the Arizona icedy can vibe.
Speaker 1: But the whole thing, like we this article came out
Speaker 1: right in the aftermath of the sugar episode we did earlier,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, okay, so what are we
Speaker 1: looking at for total sugar? Like one of the Arnold
Speaker 1: Palmer there, like it just tastes like water down and
Speaker 1: like kind of sucks compared to the one with just
Speaker 1: lemon flavor, and like that one has, uh, the big one,
Speaker 1: the one that they like that's in the top five
Speaker 1: has fifty nine grams of sugar, which like the daily
Speaker 1: allotments twenty four, whereas the Arnold Palmer only has forty four.
Speaker 4: So this is the thing, man, Like, the more I
Speaker 4: get in touch with what my actual health needs to
Speaker 4: be and what is healthy, Yeah, I'm always fucking horrified
Speaker 4: looking at labels because then also the amount of salt.
Speaker 1: And shit, yeah, I'm I can't fucking believe.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I'm like, what the fuck I'm getting forty percent
Speaker 4: of my salt from this like one thing?
Speaker 1: Oh fuck that?
Speaker 4: Uh, But I like it's and I think what it is.
Speaker 4: It's so super freaky to me because I think on
Speaker 4: some level, right, I have this like childish idea that well,
Speaker 4: if they sell it in the store, it's because it's
Speaker 4: like it can't be that bad for you, otherwise they
Speaker 4: couldn't sell it. But that's not how any of this
Speaker 4: shit works. Like it's about making money. And then you
Speaker 4: put yourself in the like in these situations and you're like, wow,
Speaker 4: this is really It's almost like you have to work
Speaker 4: harder and you have to pay even more money if
Speaker 4: you want to avoid eating, like you know, having to
Speaker 4: consume like massive amounts of any of these ingredients that
Speaker 4: we're just inundated with.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. The number one they give to black and white
Speaker 1: iced tea, which is one of the least sugar on it.
Speaker 1: It's fourteen grams, so you still have sugar left for
Speaker 1: the day.
Speaker 4: Okay, if you got a half holl of fuck your sugar.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Again, I have such like weed dealer brain. I'm like,
Speaker 4: how many grams?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm like, oh that that doesn't look
Speaker 4: that bad. And then you think about it in a
Speaker 4: ziplock bag and you're like, oh shit, that's the one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you'm guessing this is not None of these
Speaker 1: are drinks that you use as pre workout.
Speaker 3: No, no, I don't. But you know some you know,
Speaker 3: when I was going to a barbell, you know, we
Speaker 3: got like some powerlifters, and you know, to get energy
Speaker 3: midwork you want like this like a rush of sugar
Speaker 3: and carbs. So they would just eat gummy worms. Now
Speaker 3: I'm about to be like, hey, maybe y'all need to
Speaker 3: bust out.
Speaker 4: Wait, yeah, people are eating gummy Wait hold on, you
Speaker 4: got to put me on because I don't. I don't
Speaker 4: the only gim I've been here is I don't even
Speaker 4: know Jim Marie children's clothes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, because you know, when you're
Speaker 3: gassed out and you're kind of like you need a
Speaker 3: little more kind of like sugar and and like cards
Speaker 3: to kind of like get some more energy, they'll they'll
Speaker 3: crank ammy gummy worm. Gummy worm.
Speaker 1: Must that I'd be too worried that people would compare
Speaker 1: them to my legs and arms.
Speaker 4: Hey fella, look at that. What are you eating your
Speaker 4: legs there? These are gummy worms?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah. Bodybuilders prefer gummy bears because they are sweetened
Speaker 3: with ingredients like dextros and corns. There are both of
Speaker 3: which are fast absorbing carbohydrates. Because these ingredients don't have
Speaker 3: to be broken down through the digestive process, they're quickly
Speaker 3: absorbed into the blood and utilized by the muscles.
Speaker 1: Oh if he wasn't just reading, by the way, his
Speaker 1: eyes just rolled back in his head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, my neck got extra veiny.
Speaker 4: He just warped into the mind of a health fitness expert.
Speaker 4: That's the kind of ship I would hear when I'm
Speaker 4: seventeen and be like, oh, yeah, gummy bear is a
Speaker 4: fucking workout food. Yeah, that's why I eat him every
Speaker 4: day and don't work out, like just because I read
Speaker 4: this one thing that it's a bodybuilder's secret.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh shit.
Speaker 4: Well now you're gonna see, hopefully see Arizona iced tea cans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm near you.
Speaker 3: Just pop that pop that off with on them sugar.
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist.
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