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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Well, Miles,

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Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat

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Speaker 1: by an award winning journalist, author, public speaker, the host

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Speaker 1: of the new show Big Sugar. Please welcome celest Headlan

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Speaker 1: nice welcome.

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Speaker 2: You guys do that intro all the time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and anytime you enter a room we are available

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Speaker 1: for you know, a small fee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, talking and shout my name, that would be awesome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: We moonlight as town criers for any kind of dynamic intro.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well we can read from a scroll and everything.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: That's I don't know how much work there is for that.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I'm not gonna lie. It's it's fast

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Speaker 4: famine out there.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we don't have to ask you this, but

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Speaker 1: this is that is the dumbest opening to a show

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Speaker 1: that you've ever been on. I have to imagine I

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Speaker 1: probably don't even need to confirm that, but.

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Speaker 2: That that's correct.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Yes, here's your Crown King. Well, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Your new show, Big Sugar

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Speaker 1: is fascinating, kind of mind expanding. Also just kind of crystallizes,

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Speaker 1: to use a sugar industry crystallizes a lot of the

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Speaker 1: things that we are ay suspect about the world of

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Speaker 1: capitalism and industry in these United States. So thank you

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Speaker 1: first of all for your work on that show. It's

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Speaker 1: really cool.

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Speaker 5: Thanks thanks so much. I mean I learned a lot

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Speaker 5: doing it. Also, it's one of those things where you

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Speaker 5: kind of pull the thread.

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Speaker 4: And it just it's still going exactly everything.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but you know it's important. This is

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Speaker 5: stuff you know, I know. Okay, so this is all

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Speaker 5: stuff that we should know. But without diving completely feet

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Speaker 5: first into it, I should say that one of my

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Speaker 5: big takeaways after doing two years of work on this

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Speaker 5: is that I don't think we should have to know this.

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Speaker 5: I think that with all the other stuff we have

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Speaker 5: going on as citizens, as consumers, I don't think we

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Speaker 5: should be responsible for also policing our industries. I think

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Speaker 5: that we shouldn't have to be the ones constantly having

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Speaker 5: to keep watch over whether industries and employers are following

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Speaker 5: basic ethical rules and regulations, both environmental and human.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, but I got good news, Celestia. We don't

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Speaker 4: have to because that's what the regulators and the government.

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Speaker 1: And they're super well funded and up to the task.

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Speaker 1: As we'll get into yeah right, all right, Well, we

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Speaker 1: are going to get to know you a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: We are going to hop into all of that feet first,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about you know, there's this is

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Speaker 1: just right chuck full of conspiracies. There's a conspiracy to

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Speaker 1: you know, under real real conspiracies. Yeah. I guess people

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Speaker 1: now think just conspiracy means conspiracy theory. It's like something else.

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Speaker 1: These are real, vast conspiracies to keep the truth about

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Speaker 1: the health consequences of sugar quiet and from affecting how

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Speaker 1: much sugar can be put into things. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: just this powerful oligarchical family that is kind of at

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Speaker 1: the center of the story and basically like slavery that

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Speaker 1: some of the worst working conditions. So we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: all of that. But before we get into the new show,

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Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guests a little bit

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Speaker 1: about themselves, such as, what is something from your search history.

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Speaker 1: It's revealing about who you are.

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Speaker 5: So I just went through my search history and what

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Speaker 5: I found was me looking up specific answers to the

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Speaker 5: crossword question for today. Okay, so I looked up a

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Speaker 5: very specific Irish word, for example, which was the name of.

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Speaker 2: An Irish god, in order to answer a crossword. And

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Speaker 2: that's personal because I do the crossword every.

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Speaker 5: Single day, get very very long strings a crossword and

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Speaker 1: Are you doing a word wordles? About where I'm max out.

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Speaker 1: averaging a birdie over here. Okay, that's pretty good, right, wordles?

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Speaker 2: Some of them are like names and like specific.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I don't know that stuff. Yeah, that actually makes

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Speaker 4: I was like, wait, you know about like Celtic gods. Wow, yeah,

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Speaker 4: what is something that you think is overrated?

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Speaker 2: Avocados?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Okay, well come on expand on that.

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Speaker 5: Just I mean, I say this, I'm gonna get I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna get email. I'm not because I'm from California. I

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Speaker 5: just think they're overrated. They put avocados on everything, thinking

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Speaker 5: and avocado is improve going to improve everything, and avocados

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Speaker 5: do not improve everything.

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Speaker 4: So example, Okay, what's something that you're like, you can't

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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna say in general, like there's there's things

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Speaker 2: Means sometimes maybe, but you bite into a.

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Speaker 5: Hamburger and avocado is this is a squishy piece of food, right,

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Speaker 5: Like that's gonna be a mess, you know, so maybe

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Speaker 4: How are you on avocado toast?

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Speaker 2: On the avocado toast?

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Speaker 1: Right? You know a favorite avocado dish.

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Speaker 4: If you got to give it up to avocados in

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Speaker 2: Get you can't go by really by color. You have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, squishy, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like it firm like

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Speaker 1: I have it crisp. That should have a crunch in

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Speaker 1: my book. Interesting and gen Z, I love all of

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Speaker 1: your avocado creations. And you know, Savir, save your mail

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Speaker 1: for Celeste because I'm team Avocado. Okay, team Avo over here,

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Speaker 1: I'm like Howard. Oh, by the way, celest I'm a coward.

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Speaker 1: Just in case, yeah that that'll become clear. But there

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Speaker 1: will be a lot of disclaimers where I'm like big Sugar,

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Speaker 1: we actually are big fans on this podcast.

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Speaker 4: Love the Domino Company obviously for everything they've done for us.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I feel like I see now it's funny

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Speaker 4: how like the avocado wave, like it became a thing

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Speaker 4: I feel like in California like fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: Where it was just like you will not avoid it.

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Speaker 4: And we're like okay, fine, and people are like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: this is cool, and now it is to a part

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Speaker 4: like at an avocado for five euros and you're like, damn,

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Speaker 4: that's fucking expensive.

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Speaker 2: But like, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: I think this pasta dish is fine without the avocado.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, spaghetti bowling ace with avocado with avocado, you gotta

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Speaker 1: just generally like sliced avocado on a sandwich, Like I

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Speaker 1: we should see more burgers that have like avocado spread.

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Speaker 1: I think that probably the issue there is that so

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. Yeah, when when the when the

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Speaker 4: it's just like the slipperyest food anyway it is. And

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Speaker 5: It's like avocado and cooked mushrooms, like those two slippery things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like banana. If a banana wouldn't like work on

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Speaker 5: So I'm gonna stay with food and say Iceberg lettuce,

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Speaker 5: Iceberg lettuce got such a bad name, right, Like everybody

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Speaker 2: Like it had yeah color.

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Speaker 5: But I gotta say, I'm coming back around to Iceberg,

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Speaker 2: So I'm all about the wedge salad lately.

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Speaker 4: taking like a big melon slice?

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Speaker 2: I am definitely not melon slicing.

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Speaker 1: That is a question we asked all our guests.

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Speaker 4: So I feel like the last time the wedge came up,

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Speaker 4: I was like, you ever eat it just like a big.

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Speaker 1: Wedge of melon. It's literally already.

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Speaker 2: Made my opinion clear on messy eating knife.

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Speaker 1: And how are you on blue cheese on your melon slices?

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 1: Are you?

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Speaker 5: I have recently devised alue cheese vinagret dressing woo, so

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Speaker 5: I don't like creamy dressings very much, but the blue

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Speaker 5: cheese vinaigrette I'm all about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, playing god with the blue cheese vinegarte.

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Speaker 5: There's zero nutritional value to it, which turns out to

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Speaker 2: The iceberg needs to be fresh because it's got all that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they shouldn't have that myster there being so enticing,

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Speaker 4: But then I'm like, you know, like the Inkings gave

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Speaker 2: Potatoes have a lot of nutrients in them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, and I always knew that, adjusting

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Speaker 5: Whenever people talk about pregnancy, they're always like, it's like

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a phenomenal thing.

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Speaker 5: And a lot I watched a couple of like you

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Speaker 1: I think this is correct. But the baby doesn't come

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Speaker 2: I wanted to get myself out of the fear of it.

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Speaker 5: And they would put them on under like purple and Twilight,

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Speaker 5: Right, Like that's how little they listened to anything women

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Speaker 5: And it was a part of the feminist movement to

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Speaker 5: Lamas came around, right, right, and so did alien around

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Speaker 3: Y'all? We got to talk about Costco? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, little mom and pop membership store. I it

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Speaker 1: I've never taken my kids to Costco. I've never thought

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Speaker 1: They think Target is cool. They I guess they haven't

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Speaker 4: Yet, Oh right, man, remember Fedco? Remember there was Fedco. Man,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sausages or some shit over and over.

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Speaker 4: But oh for people don't know what if you might

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Speaker 4: raise the price on the dollar fifty hot dog.

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Speaker 1: They're like, margin don't make sense for us. We're we're

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Speaker 1: hemorrhaging money here. And he was like, oh word, I

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Speaker 1: how about this.

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Speaker 4: He said quote if you raise the price of the

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Speaker 4: fucking hot dog, I will kill you, the direct quote

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Speaker 4: that the current CEO said. That was the conversation the founder.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Apparently like it was the person who was told

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Speaker 3: this who shared this story and it was like more

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Speaker 3: of a like a joking tone. But I do love

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Speaker 3: the energy of like.

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Speaker 4: But you still you can joke, but you know what

449
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Speaker 4: you're trying to say. Oh you're like, yeah, I kill

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Speaker 4: you man. If you read h.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you are, You're out of here. And and they

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Speaker 3: ended up finding ways to like cut costs, and it

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Speaker 3: was through developing their own hot dogs. Through that, so

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Speaker 3: to do that, they then started developing their hot dogs

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Speaker 3: and then selling it.

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Speaker 1: In stores mostly made of sawdust at this point. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, still that good though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's juice. I mean it's juicy. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: the juiciest piece of.

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Speaker 4: I bet Costco, like those stores first blew my mind

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Speaker 4: because I had never seen the sheer amounts of these

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Speaker 4: kinds of foods. Like I would go to the store

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Speaker 4: with my mom or whatever, my dad, and you're just

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Speaker 4: seeing like one box of fruit roll ups, you know.

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Speaker 1: And then you go to Costco. You're like, what the

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Speaker 1: fuck is this? Like barrel of them, a nation of fruit?

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah, you're like, oh this, And with like

468
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Speaker 4: my little greedy kid mine, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I want that.

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Speaker 1: Give me the barrel of that shit. You don't go bad?

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Speaker 1: Yeah no no, And they look.

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Speaker 4: We've we've seen how much they go for in Israel

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Speaker 4: because of TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the you'll have Taqito's for months, for a year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll be waiting for But that's how I ate.

476
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Speaker 4: When I was twelve, I ate Tyson's kariaki frozen chicken

477
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Speaker 4: breasts every fucking day of like from twelve to fifteen.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure your intake was off the charts.

479
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and who knows what else the chemicals was

480
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Speaker 4: off the charts too. Tyson reformed rib meat patties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, White, The man's built like a brick shit house exactly.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, all right, well, speaking of built like a

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Speaker 1: brick ship house, we will take a quick break and

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Speaker 1: come back and talk about Mark Zuckerberg, the Brazilian jiu

485
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Speaker 1: jitsu master who also people might not remember this, but

486
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Speaker 1: you first found out about him from the social network

487
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Speaker 1: and his work on Facebook, but now famous martial artist

488
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Speaker 1: and he's got an upcoming fight that might be interesting people.

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Speaker 1: And we're back, and uh, the GOP back on their fuckery.

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Speaker 1: What's the latest, Miles.

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Speaker 4: It's not much here, but I just want to I

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Speaker 4: just want to mention this because again, the fuck face

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Speaker 4: wing of the Republican Party, the Freedom Caucus, they were like,

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Speaker 4: they're like.

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Speaker 1: This is bullshit. The dead ceiling. Ah, we fucking hate this.

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Speaker 4: We need to we need to cut all spending, especially

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Speaker 4: to social safety nets.

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Speaker 1: But remember they did make a deal. They're a public

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Speaker 1: they did a deal. They figured out.

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Speaker 4: Remember they said it was gonna be real bad for

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Speaker 4: the economy, but if we don't make this deal. The

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Speaker 4: last minute, they made the deal and Republicans agreed to

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Speaker 4: fund the government and pay you know, any outstanding balances

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Speaker 4: so forth. But guess what now they're deciding they can

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Speaker 4: fuck shit up by going after appropriations bills.

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Speaker 1: To cut spending.

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Speaker 4: So these are the bills that are essentially that spell

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Speaker 4: out exactly how these budgets are, how the money is spent.

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Speaker 4: So their little fucking, you know, clever logic here is

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Speaker 4: saying like, well, you know, I know, we agreed to

511
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Speaker 4: all these figures and the debt ceiling bill, you know,

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Speaker 4: and like that. But to us, that was just a cap.

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Speaker 4: You know, that just means we could go up to

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Speaker 4: that amount. There's nothing to say we can't go below

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Speaker 4: that by one hundred and twenty billion dollars. And that

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Speaker 4: is now the logic that they are parading around in

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Speaker 4: some of these committees, which is basically saying like, we

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Speaker 4: just agreed to that being like a number, the top number,

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Speaker 4: and meanwhile, like every other sane human being is saying, like,

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Speaker 4: how is that a fucking deal if you say this

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Speaker 4: is the number we're agreeing to for this debt ceiling

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Speaker 4: and then you reneg on that after the fact and

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Speaker 4: be like, actually, no, that just that means that that's

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Speaker 4: that's just the that's just the highest. So this is

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Speaker 4: going to be an issue obviously with the Democrats and

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Speaker 4: the White House and also the Senate, because they're always

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Speaker 4: the ones who have to like end up seeing these

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Speaker 4: bills and be like, fuck, man, like, what are we

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Speaker 4: what is this?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 4: Don't they know how to just fucking do the bare

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Speaker 4: minimum spoiler alert they don't and send it. Republicans aren't

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Speaker 4: even really happy with this because even like some of

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Speaker 4: their like they've somehow awoke from their maga coma in

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Speaker 4: the Senate and you have people like this senator I

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Speaker 4: don't even I don't even bother to figure out who

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Speaker 4: it was.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you exactly who it was.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, John Kennedy, who is famously not the most

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Speaker 4: consistent senator that we have to said quote, if you

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Speaker 4: propose a compromise, you need to tell the truth and

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Speaker 4: tell people exactly what the compromise is. I can tell

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Speaker 4: you that senators are tired of getting the compromise, voting

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Speaker 4: for it, or even not voting for it and finding

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Speaker 4: out later that wasn't the truth.

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Speaker 1: So this is him complaining about this like last minute switch.

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Speaker 4: Room exactly from the Freedom Caucus freaks who are like,

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Speaker 4: this is how we can get this is how we

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Speaker 4: can extract our pound of flesh or whatever. And even

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Speaker 4: Kevin McCarthy is like, yeah, I mean, I guess, like

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Speaker 4: I get that logic, but I had to kind of

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Speaker 4: make a deal with them to keep my gavel.

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Speaker 1: That's really cool. So there's Yeah, so bringing a bigger,

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Speaker 1: bigger gabble to work every day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, try and take this so fucking heavy, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: I get anyway more more brinkmanship on the way.

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Speaker 1: And systemically this to For some reason, this reminded me

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Speaker 1: of like the conversation we were having in our episode

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Speaker 1: where we interviewed you know, where we were talking about

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Speaker 1: big sugar in the sugar industry and.

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Speaker 2: How there phenomenal episode.

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Speaker 1: Thank you The Yeah Great Great podcast by the way

563
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Speaker 1: everybody should go listen. But you know, early in the episode,

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Speaker 1: Celeste is talking about how they or early in the season,

565
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Speaker 1: like they win a victory, like they sue on behalf

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Speaker 1: of all these sugarcane workers and like get this big

567
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Speaker 1: settlement for sugar cane workers, like fifty million dollars and

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Speaker 1: it's a huge win. But then the side that is

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Speaker 1: like capital and private money and private capital just pushes

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Speaker 1: back and just keeps pushing and they have more time

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Speaker 1: and more energy and more weight in our world because

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Speaker 1: as they're able to just do it, so like even

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Speaker 1: it's just like even a small win like getting them

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Speaker 1: to let the economy keep moving and like having spending

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Speaker 1: for these programs like they there's still a way for

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Speaker 1: them to clod back. There's still a way for them

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Speaker 1: to just make any any victory on behalf of like

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Speaker 1: social spending and social welfare into a loss because the

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Speaker 1: system is just set up to favor any anything that

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Speaker 1: is going to get in the way of you know,

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Speaker 1: social welfare and allow people to like it's just better

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Speaker 1: for them to have a thing where they're just like, no,

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Speaker 1: we just privatize everything, and it's like why.

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Speaker 2: Why are they such cartoon villains.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, because we're at that phase too, where we

587
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Speaker 4: really have people who have no business civics. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: at the even most basic level, who have basically racist

589
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Speaker 4: memed their way into Congress.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, like that's how they got there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then like, okay, what do you want to

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Speaker 4: do with these budgets about huh I don't like Joe Brandon.

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Speaker 4: They're like, oh no, okay, well this is bad how

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Speaker 4: because there's a lot of people saying, oh, yeah, if

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Speaker 4: we have another government shutdown, that won't be that bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it would be. It would be.

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Speaker 4: But again, this is this is the back and forth

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Speaker 4: that we get to witness firsthand as we welcome new.

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Speaker 2: Life, a whole party of I want to die alone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah truly. Yeah, it's like.

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Speaker 5: The same mentality, I don't care, I want to die alone.

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Speaker 1: Let me die alone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of racists, one of them has taken Molly

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Speaker 1: and realized that they were racists and that being racist

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Speaker 1: sucks white supremacy.

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Speaker 5: What what are you trying to tell me that the

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Speaker 5: villainized drug of the seventies that was the smoke screen

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Speaker 5: to cover up the Korean War it actually turns out

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Speaker 5: to be good.

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Speaker 4: It might just might, but don't hold your breath now.

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Speaker 1: But even around in the seventies, I mean, I knew

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Speaker 1: it was like first thing out as a party drug

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Speaker 1: in Dallas. But isn't Molly Molly's.

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Speaker 2: Like Molly is m D M A. I thought it

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Speaker 2: was okay, m D m A.

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Speaker 4: Let's be let's be a little scientific here, I say Molly,

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Speaker 4: because you know I'm out here in the streets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's m D m A. It is

620
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Speaker 1: being treated as a psychedelic that is like being researched heavily,

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Speaker 1: not as a thing that you just like give out

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Speaker 1: to people, but as a therapeutic instrument that where like

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Speaker 1: during a therapy session you are giving it, and then

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Speaker 1: there's like a guided therapy session in which the kind

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Speaker 1: of you know, effects of the M D M A

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Speaker 1: help you come to turn with different parts of your

627
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Speaker 1: emotional like scaffolding and like how you've been built and

628
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: how you've built yourself kind of accidentally and haphazardly in

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Speaker 1: the dark of your unconscious, like you now have access

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Speaker 1: to that stuff. And whereas like during normal therapy you're

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Speaker 1: just talking to a person and it can be difficult

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Speaker 1: or take time. I guess it's like the thing that

633
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Speaker 1: you hear a lot is that it's just a shortcut

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Speaker 1: to like get into a lot of these issues that

635
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Speaker 1: people need to be able to address them. That takes

636
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Speaker 1: a lot of time and a lot of like breaking

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Speaker 1: down barriers to get to.

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Speaker 5: The best analogy I heard for it was that because MDMA,

639
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Speaker 5: it fills your receptors with love drugs, right, It's like

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Speaker 5: a love drug. It's people explain that it's sort of

641
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Speaker 5: like when you're wanting to dive into trauma just raw

642
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 5: like that with a therapist one on one, it's kind

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Speaker 5: of like pouring an empty picture, right and trying to

644
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Speaker 5: drink from that cup, versus with MDMA, then you're actually

645
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Speaker 5: sort of filling the picture with water. You're filling your

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Speaker 5: receptors with good feeling and then tackling the trauma.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: And I have a few friends that it was absolutely

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Speaker 2: life changing for.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I mean we see the research constantly how

651
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Speaker 4: it's helped, especially with people like with PTSD and soldiers

652
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Speaker 4: with stress and like traumas it relates to like racial

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Speaker 4: abuse and shit like that. It's like all we see

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Speaker 4: are like positives here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a Psychedelic Science conference happening in Denver this

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Speaker 1: week actually, and like there's just so much learning and

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Speaker 1: so it's a very exciting time for people who are

658
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Speaker 1: in medicine and like kind of interested in using these tools.

659
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Speaker 1: Like the research that's coming through is that it's like

660
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Speaker 1: a very powerful tool.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and a great documentary by Michael Pollin. Yeah on Netflix,

662
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 5: during which I was narrowly missing my husband both.

663
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Speaker 4: Oh so not the most engaging. You got a little board.

664
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Speaker 2: There some parts I was like, I get it, I

665
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: get it, I.

666
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: Get it, I get it.

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Speaker 4: All right, ball smash times, I mean narrowly missed, narrowly

668
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 4: miss narrowly smashing them. But this story is from a

669
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 4: comes out of a recent study in the unit from

670
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 4: the University of Chicago where researchers were looking at how

671
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 4: MDMA was like enhancing the pleasantness of certain types of

672
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 4: physical touch. And one participant stuck out to the researchers

673
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 4: there his name Brendan, because at the end of the trial,

674
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 4: this guy, Brendan, filled out the final questionnaire and at

675
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 4: the bottom of the form when they're talking about like

676
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Speaker 4: how do you feel going like after this whole experience,

677
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 4: wrote quote, this experience has helped me sort out a

678
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 4: debilitating personal issue. Google them google my name. I now

679
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 4: know what I need to do. When they looked at that,

680
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 4: they said, holy wait, what the fuck does this person

681
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 4: mean by I now know what I need to do,

682
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 4: like go talk to them right now.

683
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Speaker 1: That yeah, because they also googled.

684
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Speaker 4: They googled his name and found out that, like, like

685
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 4: about a year or two prior to this study, he

686
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 4: was docksed by like Antifa like researchers who are basically

687
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 4: trying to put out all these names of prominent Nazis

688
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 4: and white supremacists in the US, and he was one

689
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 4: of them. He led a very prominent group in the Midwest,

690
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 4: So they were like, what the fuck When they asked him,

691
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 4: They're like, yo, so what's this plan, white supremacist guy?

692
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: Now that you've had some like MDMA, he.

693
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 4: Said, quote, just realized love is the most important thing.

694
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Speaker 1: Quote.

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Speaker 4: I felt in that moment that all of my priorities

696
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 4: in my life were just so messed up the way

697
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 4: I was interacting with people, particularly people who are close

698
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 4: to me. But there was also an almost euphoric feeling,

699
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 4: a feeling of love and I concluded that was the

700
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 4: sort of feeling that I should strive to permeate across

701
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 4: the world. So they're like, oh, okay, his background was,

702
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 4: you know, in high school he leaned liberal, but then

703
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 4: he got to college, joined a frat of like affluent

704
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 4: white guys that were conservative, and then that being around

705
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 4: those people slowly sent him down like that radicalization rabbit

706
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 4: hole of like hey you should read this book. Hey

707
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 4: you should check this podcast out. Hey you should check

708
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 4: out what they're saying on Fox. And next thing, you know,

709
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 4: he's leading a you know, he's in fucking Charlottesville, like

710
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Speaker 4: with a tiki torture.

711
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: Wow, like leading people. Yeah.

712
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Speaker 4: So now this isn't to say like MDMA is a

713
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Speaker 4: cure all because this guy was in a period of

714
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 4: like serious self reflection after being like outed, losing his job,

715
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 4: and like there's like relationships, like close relationships began to

716
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 4: fall apart. But he said that really had him in

717
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 4: a state where he was trying to figure out what

718
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 4: was going wrong, since up to that point he thought

719
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Speaker 4: he was on like a good trajectory with all this nonsense,

720
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 4: and many experts like agree, they're like, yeah, intention is

721
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 4: the key here when using psychedelics. It's not like you

722
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 4: could just air drop a bunch of MDMA on the

723
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 4: state of Florida and then like we're gonna move on, right, Like, Yeah,

724
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 4: you have to have the intention to at least be

725
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 4: open to looking at your own life and being a

726
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 4: period of self reflection. Because again, this isn't some magic

727
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 4: racism or racer and all.

728
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Speaker 1: So it's also not a pill that you take and

729
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: have this insight. Again, it is part of a like

730
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Speaker 1: total program of therapy where you're working with a therapist

731
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: who knows you and has a sense of like where

732
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: where you're at. And it's that I feel like there's

733
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: just going to be a tendency for Americans to be like,

734
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 1: all right, so I take this thing and like things,

735
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: things are good again, it's like a I take it

736
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: like tail and all, and we're good. No, it's actually

737
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: part of working on yourself, which is uncomfortable. This just

738
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: makes it gives you an ability to do uncomfortable work

739
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: a little bit more freely.

740
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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And there's like, you know, one of the

741
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Speaker 4: researchers that were spoken to for this article from UCLA

742
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 4: was just saying, like, you know, all psychedelics have the

743
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 4: potential to help people get in touch with new perspectives

744
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 4: for other radicalized individuals, She says, a drug like ayahuasca

745
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 4: could be useful because it's like taking sort of a

746
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 4: good hard look at yourself in the mirror. She goes, Honestly,

747
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 4: that's why ayahuasca kind of has a reputation of doing

748
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 4: the people, kind of showing them maybe where they screwed

749
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 4: up and how they got there in a compassionate way.

750
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Speaker 1: Like which is also there's.

751
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Speaker 5: All kinds of studies of doing this on cops with

752
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 5: PTSD that have been highly successful. It's like more prevalently

753
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 5: used in the UK. There's lots of research studies on

754
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 5: it there right here. It was like it became demonized,

755
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 5: like Nixon demonized it all, and it became part of

756
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 5: the like smoke screen, look at LSD, look at all

757
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 5: these you know, who's products.

758
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 4: Not creeping inequality or that kind of shit.

759
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Speaker 5: It kind of blew my mind that the guy who

760
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 5: invented the PCR study found it during an during an

761
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Speaker 5: LSD trip.

762
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Speaker 1: What's the PCR study?

763
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 5: Like, you know PCRs like the molecular what is it

764
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 5: that you do for COVID? You take like a PCR test.

765
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 4: Yeah's chain reaction.

766
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, he visualized it in an LSD trip.

767
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 4: Oh, because that's how you visualize DNA samples, right.

768
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: That's like the whole Yeah, yeah, yeah.

769
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: Francis Crick actually the guy who discovered they couldn't figure

770
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: out the structure of the DNA double helix, and he

771
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: had the insight of the double helix shape while tripping

772
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: on LSD and also after reading a bunch of research

773
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: by a woman who had already figured it out. Then

774
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: he just I guess he got a lot of credit trifecta.

775
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

776
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think again, like, it's it's interesting to

777
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 4: hear this guy Brendan talk about it too, because he's

778
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 4: all saying, like, this isn't going to solve our society.

779
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 4: It's not like this is a cure all, but it

780
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 4: is clear it helps people. He goes, I say, quote,

781
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 4: a lot of these guys who end up in these

782
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 4: movements have a history.

783
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Speaker 1: Of doing MDMA.

784
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

785
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 4: He's like, but you have to have the right framing

786
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 4: and mindset, because that's the only way you can somehow

787
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 4: be somewhat open to reconsidering your own ideologies. He said, quote,

788
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 4: it helped me see things in a different way that

789
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 4: no amount of therapy or anti racist literature ever would

790
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 4: have done. He still says he struggles with like these

791
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 4: beliefs that he has, but he's completely like has been

792
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 4: able to sort of step outside of this like white

793
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 4: supremacist ideology, like oh, this doesn't serve me at all

794
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 4: or what I want like my life to be. So

795
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 4: it's it's it's a very like interesting story. I know

796
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: a lot of people, like the shorthand would be like,

797
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 4: all right, MDMA for like everybody that that's the thing,

798
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 4: but we what we it's a it's a combination of

799
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 4: things that really help you.

800
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Speaker 1: But the version that he did is a clinical like

801
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, under super under medical supervision, and that stuff

802
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: is much harder to do in the United States than

803
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: in other places because tier points are it's been demonized,

804
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: and so like that is the thing that it can

805
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: be useful in a society where they're willing to just

806
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: accept what a powerful tool it can be for therapy.

807
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 5: But I don't know, I say, I'm kind of on

808
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 5: the side of everybody, let's try it, because right now

809
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 5: a lot of people are doing that with adderall right,

810
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 5: and treating it like the drug that's gonna fix all

811
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 5: my behavioral shit. And I see and I see it

812
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 5: all the time, and I and there's so much else

813
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 5: that Adderall does too, that is like so detrimental. And

814
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 5: by the way, the like myth of the Swiss cheese

815
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 5: brain is actually like an adderall side effect, not not

816
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 5: an LSD md M, a psychedelics side effect.

817
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that was like.

818
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 5: A whole propaganda train, yeah, back in the eighties and nineties.

819
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 5: So for the way that like we Americans do stuff,

820
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 5: I'm just like, I don't know, maybe more of us

821
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 5: should just be like smoking pot and doing MDMA.

822
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it should be. It should be less sumatized

823
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: unless illegal, for sure. I'm just saying if you're gonna.

824
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 5: Pick, if you're gonna polarize, yeah, rather than going the

825
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 5: route of like cocaine an ad or all in coffee.

826
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: Right, But those help you, those help you do work.

827
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: Those help you do work.

828
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 5: And look at all these look at all these phenomenal

829
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 5: scientists that got shied done on LSD.

830
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 4: Right right, but piped down about that because then you

831
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 4: might not have pharmaceutical.

832
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 1: But yeah, totally. You can see the values of our

833
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: society based on what versus illegal, And yeah, I'm just

834
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: saying that the the legalization and the stigma makes it

835
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: much harder for therapist, Like therapists are afraid of losing

836
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: their license. It's very few people that get access to

837
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: this type of therapy and this type of like official sanctioned,

838
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: like well designed therapy work that this person had had

839
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: access to. So yeah, it just it needs to be

840
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: destigmatized across the board and made more less illegal.

841
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 4: And just like thinking right about like the packing your trauma, right,

842
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 4: because so many of us we go through shit and

843
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: we just lock it up, We leave it in the

844
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 4: back of our minds and then wonder why like it

845
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 4: ends up festering and affects other dimensions of our relationships

846
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 4: and personalized I have nothing to do with even that

847
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 4: specific event that happened, right, And the power of being

848
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 4: able to examine that is a huge part of having

849
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 4: any kind of growth, because most growth is not happening

850
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 4: because we don't have the ability or the openness to

851
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 4: reflect on these things we've been through because it's so

852
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 4: deeply uncomfortable. And it kind of reminded me there's like

853
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 4: this recent clip I hate to bring up Tucker Carlson,

854
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 4: but he was on Megan Kelly's show, and the way

855
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 4: he talks about his mother's death, You're like, this is

856
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 4: exactly what the fuck like goes on with people, right, Like,

857
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna play this because he's so casual about

858
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 4: this and I don't, like, I understand, like there's a

859
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 4: lot to do, like his own abandoned issues with his mother,

860
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. But hearing someone talk like this,

861
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 4: You're like, man, motherfucker could use some molly. But anyway,

862
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 4: this is just like hear him talk just about his mother.

863
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 6: But you know, our mom was not a fan of

864
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 6: us and was pretty direct about it, and you know

865
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Speaker 6: that's obviously.

866
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Speaker 3: Hurts when you're little.

867
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Speaker 6: But then I realized you can't control it, you know,

868
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 6: you just can't.

869
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 3: Control it, and your mother doesn't like you, Okay, boohoo.

870
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: You know it sounds really terrible.

871
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 6: And the day it actually happened, when I got this call,

872
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 6: like she's dying and in this weird little town and

873
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Speaker 6: set on a farm that she lived on in southwestern

874
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 6: France and she was basically French at this point, spent

875
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 6: her life there. You should go visit her, And so

876
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 6: I called my brother and he's like, what, No, you know,

877
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 6: my son's got a soccer game. And I said, I

878
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 6: feel the same way. I don't know this person. And

879
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 6: actually this sounds cold or whatever, but I had already

880
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 6: kind of made my peace with this over many decades,

881
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 6: over thirty five years, and I didn't fall apart at all.

882
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 6: I went out to dinner. I mean, I felt sad

883
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 6: for her. I guess I don't know much about her.

884
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 6: She was an artist, she had shows. Okay, I guess

885
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 6: and all.

886
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: That, but she wasn't part of my life. I wasn't

887
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: part of hers.

888
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 2: And yeah, this explained so much.

889
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: I didn't fall apart. I just built myself brick by

890
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: brick into a horrifying months cross exactly toxic masculinity. So

891
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: didn't fall apart though I didn't comment.

892
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 4: I put I created a whole set made of wood,

893
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: and I screamed from it.

894
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 1: Like, Also, did.

895
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson just say he's an immigrant? Is he French?

896
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: No?

897
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 4: No, you're talking about how his mom immigrated to France

898
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 4: and he's like my mom saying she's basically French because she.

899
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: Left his mom expatted his mom's.

900
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: A hippie who left them at a very young age

901
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: to like hippie it up and everything.

902
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, at six, his mom was like, you kind of

903
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: suck and.

904
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: That's he has that. Well.

905
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 4: The other thing too, is he's I think he's also

906
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 4: referencing the fact that later in life his mother hated

907
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 4: his politics and famously like it was after she passed away. Right,

908
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 4: she was also an heiress. She had a lot of money. Wow,

909
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 4: and when she passed no, no, no Swanson is who was

910
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 4: his father remarried. Yeah, but when his mother passed her

911
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 4: estate was it was sort of contentious where the money

912
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 4: was going, and him and his brother fought her husband

913
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 4: over the money. Despite him being like I don't care

914
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 4: about her, I've moved on. Him and his brother they

915
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 4: had a long protracted legal battle over her estate. And

916
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 4: what happened was later on they found her will in

917
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 4: a book that she had handwritten, and she had only

918
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 4: left her Tucker and his brother one dollar.

919
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: Each, so they got something.

920
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 4: But still like for it's like you can tell all

921
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 4: of this like pain swirling around, like you know, yeah,

922
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 4: clearly she they had a contentious relationship, but he was

923
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 4: also like, I need that fucking money too.

924
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 5: It's just the thing that actually you know someone else

925
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 5: talks about their mom like that.

926
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: Bob Durst.

927
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yep, Bro, Robert Durst, Yep, you said, Bob,

928
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 4: that was I was like, hold on, you're kicking it

929
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 4: with Bob, right.

930
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: I mean I did watch that whole documentary.

931
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 4: Just burping up. Yeah, after having memories of my mother.

932
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, like again, these are you just

933
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 4: sort of see examples all the time. And I'm not

934
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 4: trying to lay everything at like you know them mom.

935
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: A lot of sociopaths and psychopaths will cite their relationship

936
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: with their mom as the reason for their behavior.

937
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 4: Good and I me it surely has to do with

938
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 4: his like very you know, misogynistic worldview.

939
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, because they don't understand empathy, but they are included

940
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 5: into pity, right, and so they look that's one of

941
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 5: the formative ways that they look to access sympathy.

942
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: Mm.

943
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 4: Well, look, he wasn't really bummed out by it at all.

944
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 4: He went to dinner. Okay, Next question, Megan, next question.

945
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 5: Also think it's funny that he like it's it's almost

946
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 5: an insult to his six year old self. How he

947
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 5: responds to it. You know, what I mean is like

948
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 5: you now you're going to like tell your six years

949
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 5: old self that like you didn't dissociate, you just weren't

950
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 5: bummed out by it at all.

951
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: But you know it did. It did.

952
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 4: There's no way it didn't. But again, hey, we get it.

953
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 4: That's where you were forged in like the fires of

954
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 4: like a Vart Marvel villain.

955
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: It was truly like it would be two on the

956
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: nose for a Marvel villain, like yeah, yeah, it would

957
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: just be like, all right, that's a little pet. His

958
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: hippie mom let him and then like he hated any

959
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: money and he like went on TV and was like,

960
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: my mom didn't like me, And I'm fine with that.

961
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: While like you know, just like fucking steam rolling over

962
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: like just a lifetime of pain. I'm fine with that.

963
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: I didn't fall apart. I'm together, o fucked solid all right. Anyways,

964
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: all right, look at my wood set. Let's take a

965
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 1: quick break to Marvel over Tucker's wood set and uh

966
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: well we'll be right back, and we're back. And credits

967
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: for Marvel's new show which I don't know has has

968
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: anybody seen it? The iund like credits the Alien Invasion

969
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: one AI, Secret Invasion, Secret Invasion. Yes, so just premiered,

970
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: and it's got a credit sequence created by quote an

971
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: AI vendor, which is not that shocking because it kind

972
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: of looks like shit.

973
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it looks like all that terrible AI art

974
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,959
Speaker 4: that like animated AI art. It has this like look

975
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 4: that's just like not just it's shitty, it's just really

976
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 4: fucking bad.

977
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

978
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 4: Did you have any of you seen the full the

979
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 4: full credit sequence?

980
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: No, I have not.

981
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: I just watched it. It's so it's.

982
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 4: Like really unbelievable that a company that has like a

983
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 4: background in animation and then a brand that's like rooted

984
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 4: in comic books goes for some of the most uninspiring

985
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 4: animatics I've ever seen, like truly like they're not even

986
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 4: it's not even like, yo, this is actually wild. It's

987
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 4: just like this looks like amateur hour kind of stuff.

988
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 4: And I guess only unless you're like wowed by the

989
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 4: idea that it's AI that maybe you look at it differently,

990
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 4: but objectively you look at and you're like, is this

991
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 4: like the.

992
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: Bootleg version of this show? Right? Yeah? Yeah. So the

993
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: executive producer Ali Salim said that he thought the AI

994
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: credits felt explorative and inevitable and exciting and different. Oh,

995
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: although he doesn't really understand how it all works. But

996
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how. I don't know, man. Yeah,

997
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: but the fact like saying it's explorative and inevitable kind

998
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 1: of give you away the game. It's just like, yeah,

999
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: this is it's progress. Just fused your eyes on this,

1000
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: all right, So we're watching Miles is showing us the clip.

1001
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 3: Yeah this this looks like every AI TikTok. Yeah exactly.

1002
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 3: You know, it's not like it's funny that they're like explorative.

1003
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 3: It's like in what way when in the way that

1004
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 3: everyone who has access to a cell phone has been

1005
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 3: doing this like you like, you know, like it is

1006
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 3: just it's weird to see how many people are just

1007
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 3: trying so hard to push this agenda that that AI

1008
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 3: is the future and this that and the third and

1009
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 3: and and we need to go we need to just

1010
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 3: get on board, because it's just proving the longer it

1011
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: goes on that it just isn't there. And everyone, you know,

1012
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 3: everyone keeps trying to like keep it relevant by being

1013
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 3: like yet until it learns, until it learns, and it's like, yeah, no,

1014
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 3: that's gonna be stopped. I mean you already have Drake,

1015
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 3: you know, suing over the AI music, Like I don't

1016
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 3: see AI in legal terms making it much farther because

1017
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 3: it is it is just derivative of you know, established

1018
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 3: copywritten stuff and is just kind of mishmashing enough stuff

1019
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 3: together to say it's a new thing. And at a

1020
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 3: certain point people are just gonna be like, okay, cool.

1021
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 3: Then you need to show the data in what your

1022
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 3: you know, computer learning used to get that, and you

1023
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: need to pay me if my name was there, and

1024
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 3: then AI's gone overnight, right.

1025
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: I mean, the company behind the scene, behind the sequence

1026
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: released a statement being like the AI was merely a

1027
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: tool used by these artists whose name we didn't list,

1028
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: and then I get I guess in the actual credits,

1029
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: you can see the people's names, but like one of

1030
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: them seems to be made up, Like the AI technical

1031
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: director is credited in the show as Sagan's Carl, which

1032
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: people are like, are you just reworking Carl Sagan's name

1033
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: because that name has no Internet presence other than this

1034
00:52:59,040 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 1: one credit.

1035
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm really curious, Like and is that then

1036
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, so you actually did credit the AI, right,

1037
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 4: Like are you just doing that sort of like tongue

1038
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 4: in cheeks, they'd be like. And then Sagan's Carl, the

1039
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 4: homie that came up with this real lukewarm, fucking uninspiring opening.

1040
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: It's gonna it's gonna be a I don't know.

1041
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 4: I mean, like I I can see you see a

1042
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 4: lot of people who hear AI and they just get excited,

1043
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 4: but like to like, it sounds like this producer is

1044
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 4: like one of these people just uncritically being like, yeah, man,

1045
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 4: it's like I hear like it's like all over the place.

1046
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 4: So we figured this would be like a cool way

1047
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 4: to step in. I don't know how it works. I

1048
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 4: don't know if that's like worth replacing, like actual human

1049
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 4: beings who are artists who could provide something that is

1050
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 4: like miles ahead of this, But I don't know if

1051
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 4: that would be cool. Plus also, look, let's be real,

1052
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 4: the budgets got scrapped and we had to use an

1053
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 4: AI the cheapest way to get it done, which is

1054
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 4: probably I don't know. To me, that's what it sounds.

1055
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 4: The reason you would do something like this is to

1056
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 4: save money.

1057
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the whole Like when you look

1058
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: at the we we are not you know, like if

1059
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: you listen to this show, like you you're probably not

1060
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: getting the impression like everyone's super excited about AI. But

1061
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: like the stock market, like the the markets are so

1062
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: excited about AI, Like that's driving like all the growth

1063
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: on the stock market in the past like year or

1064
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: so is like how excited people are about AI. So

1065
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,439
Speaker 1: you just really get a sense from like, you know,

1066
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: this executive producer who he's listening to is people who

1067
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: are on the money side and are just like, we

1068
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: can make all this work disappear, and that is so exciting.

1069
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 4: Hey, Mark, Mark, show him that, Show him that one

1070
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 4: opening you asked the AI to make for the for

1071
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 4: a Hulk show.

1072
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: We just made up. Look at that a computer just

1073
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: did that. I just typed a word in.

1074
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm telling you this is the future, man,

1075
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 4: It's the future. And the thing that's like I also

1076
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 4: hear a lot of people too, like I get from

1077
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 4: friends who work in the nonprofit space, like how as

1078
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 4: Chad Gpt has helped them with grant writing, and I

1079
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 4: could see how like for something like that, it may

1080
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 4: feel like this really mundane process that you can just

1081
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 4: kind of now free some mental bandwidth up. But as

1082
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 4: I hear more about like people using it for writing

1083
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 4: and things too, Like I'm just not sure we are

1084
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 4: going to be able to adjust what like a curriculum

1085
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 4: needs to look like in a world filled with AI

1086
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 4: that is like is actually at the same pace that

1087
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 4: the AI develops, because I feel like the worst case

1088
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 4: scenario is like we embrace all this and people have

1089
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 4: just lost the ability to think because it's like just

1090
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 4: easy to be like I don't know, I type my

1091
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 4: desires into this blank box and then something appears.

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00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, well we'll see if this Segon's

1093
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: Carl turns out to just have an amazing career in

1094
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: that he's just some guy, Like did they hire did

1095
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: they use the AI to like concoct the live for them?

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00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 5: Like?

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00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: Is that the at the end? I know we had

1098
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: artists merely Yeah, I mean that would be that would

1099
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: also be wilder.

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00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 4: It's like, but I am Sagan's Carl, Yeah, and were

1101
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 4: my name being Yeah, we'll see.

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00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 3: I can't open the door.

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00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 1: Help with me, you guys, Arizona Tea fans, I only

1104
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: drink one. I'm like loyal, and which one you want?

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00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 3: Mucho?

1106
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: Mango mango?

1107
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 3: I fuck with that watermelon. And I remember when that

1108
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 3: energy r X dropped and I thought I was on

1109
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: some new new I was like, Oh, this is gonna

1110
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,760
Speaker 3: be what I need to do these long nights.

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00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:37,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 4: I think at the very beginning, I was like, I

1113
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 4: remember the peach one blew my mind. And then I

1114
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 4: was on the Ginsen Green tea one for a while

1115
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 4: because I think just the colors were like very vapor

1116
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 4: wavy for me, like in the late hangs.

1117
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

1118
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 4: But now whenever I ifever I dagn to grab a

1119
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 4: can of Arizona, it's Muco mango. I don't know, I

1120
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 4: think it's the most chemically.

1121
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it feels like thick, right, Muco mango.

1122
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 4: Like it's not I mean like you mean like it's

1123
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 4: not no, no, it's like a juice basically it's pure whatever,

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00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 4: pure unhealth.

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00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: So these these are this is ranking the tea flavors.

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00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: One of them is like part mucho mango. But oh

1127
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: yeah that one yeah, half and half iced tea and

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00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: mango is their lowest ranked on this list of taste.

1129
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: They're actually given that an Arnold Palmer half and half

1130
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: the like, which is I have to say, just based

1131
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: on seeing the iconic can many different places like that,

1132
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: those have to be a couple of their most popular, right,

1133
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: those are those are getting the lowest marks, and then

1134
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: you know up top you got your Like number five

1135
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: is iced tea with lemon flavor, which is that's the

1136
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: high that's number five. That's not okay, the green tea

1137
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: with jins and honey is number three, But that and

1138
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: that's like one of the more iconic cans with like

1139
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: the cherry blossom.

1140
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, that shit has like there were so many.

1141
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 4: I feel like Rebok did a shoe based on that can.

1142
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 4: Like that can is like it's basically the new aesthetic.

1143
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 4: It's like the solo fucking jazz cups. Yeah you know,

1144
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 4: it's like the Arizona icedy can vibe.

1145
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: But the whole thing, like we this article came out

1146
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: right in the aftermath of the sugar episode we did earlier,

1147
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: and I was just like, okay, so what are we

1148
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: looking at for total sugar? Like one of the Arnold

1149
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: Palmer there, like it just tastes like water down and

1150
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: like kind of sucks compared to the one with just

1151
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: lemon flavor, and like that one has, uh, the big one,

1152
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: the one that they like that's in the top five

1153
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: has fifty nine grams of sugar, which like the daily

1154
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: allotments twenty four, whereas the Arnold Palmer only has forty four.

1155
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 4: So this is the thing, man, Like, the more I

1156
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 4: get in touch with what my actual health needs to

1157
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 4: be and what is healthy, Yeah, I'm always fucking horrified

1158
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 4: looking at labels because then also the amount of salt.

1159
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: And shit, yeah, I'm I can't fucking believe.

1160
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 4: Sometimes I'm like, what the fuck I'm getting forty percent

1161
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 4: of my salt from this like one thing?

1162
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: Oh fuck that?

1163
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 4: Uh, But I like it's and I think what it is.

1164
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 4: It's so super freaky to me because I think on

1165
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 4: some level, right, I have this like childish idea that well,

1166
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 4: if they sell it in the store, it's because it's

1167
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 4: like it can't be that bad for you, otherwise they

1168
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 4: couldn't sell it. But that's not how any of this

1169
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 4: shit works. Like it's about making money. And then you

1170
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 4: put yourself in the like in these situations and you're like, wow,

1171
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 4: this is really It's almost like you have to work

1172
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 4: harder and you have to pay even more money if

1173
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 4: you want to avoid eating, like you know, having to

1174
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 4: consume like massive amounts of any of these ingredients that

1175
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 4: we're just inundated with.

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00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely. The number one they give to black and white

1178
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: iced tea, which is one of the least sugar on it.

1179
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: It's fourteen grams, so you still have sugar left for

1180
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: the day.

1181
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 4: Okay, if you got a half holl of fuck your sugar.

1182
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: Okay.

1183
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1184
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 4: Again, I have such like weed dealer brain. I'm like,

1185
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 4: how many grams?

1186
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1187
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm like, oh that that doesn't look

1188
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 4: that bad. And then you think about it in a

1189
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 4: ziplock bag and you're like, oh shit, that's the one.

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01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you'm guessing this is not None of these

1191
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: are drinks that you use as pre workout.

1192
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 3: No, no, I don't. But you know some you know,

1193
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 3: when I was going to a barbell, you know, we

1194
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 3: got like some powerlifters, and you know, to get energy

1195
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 3: midwork you want like this like a rush of sugar

1196
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 3: and carbs. So they would just eat gummy worms. Now

1197
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 3: I'm about to be like, hey, maybe y'all need to

1198
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 3: bust out.

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01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 4: Wait, yeah, people are eating gummy Wait hold on, you

1200
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 4: got to put me on because I don't. I don't

1201
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 4: the only gim I've been here is I don't even

1202
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 4: know Jim Marie children's clothes.

1203
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, because you know, when you're

1204
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 3: gassed out and you're kind of like you need a

1205
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 3: little more kind of like sugar and and like cards

1206
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 3: to kind of like get some more energy, they'll they'll

1207
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 3: crank ammy gummy worm. Gummy worm.

1208
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: Must that I'd be too worried that people would compare

1209
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: them to my legs and arms.

1210
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 4: Hey fella, look at that. What are you eating your

1211
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 4: legs there? These are gummy worms?

1212
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah. Bodybuilders prefer gummy bears because they are sweetened

1213
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 3: with ingredients like dextros and corns. There are both of

1214
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 3: which are fast absorbing carbohydrates. Because these ingredients don't have

1215
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 3: to be broken down through the digestive process, they're quickly

1216
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 3: absorbed into the blood and utilized by the muscles.

1217
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: Oh if he wasn't just reading, by the way, his

1218
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: eyes just rolled back in his head.

1219
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, my neck got extra veiny.

1220
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 4: He just warped into the mind of a health fitness expert.

1221
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 4: That's the kind of ship I would hear when I'm

1222
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 4: seventeen and be like, oh, yeah, gummy bear is a

1223
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 4: fucking workout food. Yeah, that's why I eat him every

1224
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 4: day and don't work out, like just because I read

1225
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 4: this one thing that it's a bodybuilder's secret.

1226
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1227
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: Oh shit.

1228
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 4: Well now you're gonna see, hopefully see Arizona iced tea cans.

1229
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm near you.

1230
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 3: Just pop that pop that off with on them sugar.

1231
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 1: Please like and review the show If you like, the

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01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: show means the world the miles he he needs your validation, folks.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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Speaker 1: talk to you Monday. Byepathing