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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we are back live with doctor Jeff O'Driscoll.

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Speaker 2: And before the break, we were talking about the difference

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Speaker 2: between a near death experience and a share death experience.

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Speaker 2: So let's say someone is, you know, a thousand miles

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Speaker 2: away from a loved one who is in the process

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Speaker 2: of dying, and that loved one who's very much alive.

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Speaker 2: They may feel the death throes of the mother again

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Speaker 2: even though she's thousands of miles away. Or well, in

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Speaker 2: your case, your shared death experience, you would see someone

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Speaker 2: coming into the trauma center passing away and you would

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Speaker 2: you would see their soul leaving their body, and you're

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Speaker 2: the only one in the room that's witnessing this.

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Speaker 3: Often I was the only one in the room witnessing

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Speaker 3: it on at least one occasion. However, I had a

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Speaker 3: nurse standing next to me who experienced the same thing.

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Speaker 3: We had a trauma patient flown in from a car

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Speaker 3: crash two hundred miles away, and the patient's wife was

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Speaker 3: deceased at the scene, And when I went into the

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Speaker 3: trauma room with that nurse, we both saw the patient's

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Speaker 3: wife standing in the air above the gurney, observing what

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Speaker 3: was going on and communicating her gratitude for the care

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Speaker 3: that her husband was receiving and her body was still

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Speaker 3: two hundred miles away.

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Speaker 2: Was this the case of Jeff Olson?

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Speaker 3: It is the case of Jeff Olson. Yes, He's spoken

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Speaker 3: about it publicly and written a book, and a lot

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Speaker 3: of people have heard of it.

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Speaker 2: Right, So when this happened to you the first time?

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Speaker 2: I mean, was the incident with Jeff Olson seeing his wife?

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Speaker 2: Was that the first time that had happened to you

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Speaker 2: in a trauma center? Or were there others prior to that.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's hard for me to remember the exact chronology

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Speaker 3: of events. I had had experiences that began in my

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Speaker 3: teenage years. I had a profound voice that spoke to

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Speaker 3: me one night when I was driving a Volkswagen Bug

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Speaker 3: much too fast after dark on a narrow, windy country

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Speaker 3: road with two friends in the car, not any of

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Speaker 3: us wearing seat belts, and a voice spoke to me

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Speaker 3: and said, you have to slow down. And it wasn't

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Speaker 3: just a voice. I didn't just hear it. It was like

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Speaker 3: something that wrapped around my soul and I felt it

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Speaker 3: more than I heard. It impressed me enough that I

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Speaker 3: slowed down and went around a corner hit a Cadillac

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Speaker 3: head on. There was a lot of damage to the vehicles,

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Speaker 3: but nobody was injured. I think I probably would have

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Speaker 3: died that night if I had not heard that voice.

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Speaker 3: And I later realized that it was my brother, the

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Speaker 3: one that died in a farm accident in a few

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Speaker 3: years before. That's who was speaking to me on that occasion.

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Speaker 2: Wow, and you want to can we go back to

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Speaker 2: the incident on the farm when you lost your older

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Speaker 2: brother and the after death communication prior to your hearing

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Speaker 2: this voice that. I believe there were others if I

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Speaker 2: remember correctly.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember hearing other experiences before my brother's death,

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Speaker 3: but shortly after he died is when I started having

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Speaker 3: the experiences, and a few of them I wrote down,

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Speaker 3: and those are the ones I remember. I suspect I

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Speaker 3: had others that I don't recall now, but I remember

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Speaker 3: about twenty years after my brother passed, he came to

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Speaker 3: him and experienced his presence, and he looked like my brother.

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Speaker 3: When my brother was in a physical form, he told

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Speaker 3: me he said, you have to go talk with our

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Speaker 3: which caught my attention. As you might imagine, I went

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Speaker 3: she told me for the very first time, she said,

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Speaker 3: I always knew where you were in the house before

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Speaker 3: Stan died, because I could hear you singing. When your

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Speaker 2: So when you're working in the trauma center and you

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Speaker 2: would see a soul leaving a body, what walk us

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Speaker 2: through that? Does that? What does that look like? What

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Speaker 3: For me, I can't speak for anyone else, of course,

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Speaker 3: but for me, I would see what looked like a

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Speaker 3: or consciousness, and they looked very much like their physical body,

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Speaker 3: except in a perfected form, and frequently, at least on

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Speaker 3: one occasion when it happened with an elderly person, the

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Speaker 3: person I saw exit their physical body appeared to be

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Speaker 2: And when the soul leaves the body, does it leave

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Speaker 3: When eyewitnessed it, they stayed in the room or near

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Speaker 3: their physical form and communicated, and then when it felt right,

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Speaker 3: they left. In fact, on one occasion, there was a

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Speaker 3: physician that was resuscitating an elderly woman and I was

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Speaker 3: this presence over my shoulder. I'd had enough experiences by

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Speaker 3: And yet I reached over and touched her leg. She

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Speaker 3: silently communicated back to her, mind you, she's unconscious, she's

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Speaker 3: This is all silent telepathic communication. I communicated back to her.

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Speaker 3: I said, listen, if you think it's time to go,

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Speaker 3: And as I communicated that, she rose up out of

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Speaker 2: If the patient is resuscitated, and they do, you see

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Speaker 3: Body on one occasion, I entered a room, and again

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Speaker 3: I was not in charge of this patient. I think

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Speaker 3: what this experience was in this new realm. And then

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Speaker 2: When she regained consciousness, were you there? Did she say

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Speaker 3: I never spoke with her after she regained consciousness. I

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Speaker 3: regret that I didn't follow up more closely with some

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Speaker 3: them again. I never would have seen Jeff Oltson again

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Speaker 2: Right, So Jeff Olsen again, He's in a car accident.

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Speaker 2: His wife, Tamara, is killed in the car accident. He

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Speaker 2: I believe he did. He lose a limb, I think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he lost a leg.

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Speaker 2: And you saw the soul of his wife, Tamara. She

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Speaker 2: then the nurse that was in attendance also saw this.

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Speaker 2: Did she immediately the nurse that is, did she immediately

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Speaker 2: Didn't you? You saw what I saw?

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Speaker 3: Well, she kind of didn't have to. She was the

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Speaker 3: I said who's there? And she said, his wife, she's there.

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Speaker 3: And when she said that, it dawned on me what

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Speaker 3: we talked about it after that, and then, like I say,

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Speaker 3: he went off, had several surgeries, had his leg amputated.

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Speaker 3: He was in the ICU for a prolonged period of time.

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Speaker 2: Happened and what was his reaction when you told him

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Speaker 2: that his late wife had appeared.

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Speaker 3: In the er. Initially he became quite emotionally. He became

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Speaker 3: tearful and felt reassured and validated enough that he opened

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Speaker 3: of the accident. Before his body was even expricated from

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Speaker 3: where he encountered his wife, and she said, you have

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Speaker 3: to go back and raise our other son, because their

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Speaker 3: seven year old son had survived the accident. And he

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Speaker 3: felt like after we shared our experience, he felt like

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Speaker 3: he could share his. And we've been good friends ever since.

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Speaker 3: It's been nearly three decades now.

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Speaker 2: Why you and that nurse and not anyone else in

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Speaker 2: far as you know, there was no one else. What

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Speaker 2: is it about you? And this nurse that allows you

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Speaker 2: to have these shared death experiences.

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Speaker 3: The short answer is, I don't have a clue. I

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Speaker 3: don't know. I have learned that sometimes we can be

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Speaker 3: more receptive, more open, we can be more believing, we

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Speaker 3: can invite that experience into our life. But other than that,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I have one friend who was a

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Speaker 3: a cardiac arrest, and during the recuscitation, she looked up

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Speaker 3: and visited him a few days later, and he had

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Speaker 3: he had an encounter with the divine being that they

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Speaker 3: had a conversation before he was sent back.

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Speaker 2: Had you asked other doctors and nurses whether they they

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Speaker 2: had witnessed anything like this, do you think they would

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Speaker 2: have answered truthfully? Or I mean, do you suspect in

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Speaker 2: other words, that that maybe this is more common, but

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Speaker 2: people because of a stigma are afraid to admit. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I saw you know, I saw the patient's soul leaving

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's much more common than we generally appreciate. And yes,

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Speaker 3: I've spoken to physicians. When I speak, it's not uncommon

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Speaker 3: for me to have a physician or two that'll come

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Speaker 3: and talk with me afterwards or send me an email

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Speaker 3: and share their own experience. I belong to a Facebook

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Speaker 3: page that has nearly eighty thousand physicians. It's only physicians

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Speaker 3: on the page, and I'd just ask a simple question once,

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Speaker 3: Have any of you resuscipated somebody from a cardiac arrest

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Speaker 3: during that period. And there were a few people that

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Speaker 3: were vocally skeptical about it, but most people were receptive

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Speaker 3: they are happening, and physicians are reluctant to speak about it.

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Speaker 2: And you didn't speak about it publicly until after you retired,

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Speaker 3: I didn't speak about it for twenty five years, and

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Speaker 3: about six months after I stopped seeing patients. One day,

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Speaker 3: I just had this feeling click in my heart and

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Speaker 3: I understood it was okay to talk about it now,

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Speaker 3: and that's when I started to share.

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Speaker 2: Did you only see or experience these share death incidents

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Speaker 2: were in a hospital setting in the er, or did

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Speaker 2: you also have shared life experiences in other areas, maybe

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Speaker 2: while you were at home.

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Speaker 3: I did have some very profound experiences outside the emergency department,

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Speaker 3: but most of my experiences happened in the emergency department,

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Speaker 3: and I think that was just a matter of proximity

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Speaker 3: chronologically and physically, being in the proximity of people who

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Speaker 3: were passing away. Most physicians are not in the presence

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Speaker 3: emergency physician, frequently when you have a patient that passes away,

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Speaker 3: you're at the bedside, You're right there, and I think

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Speaker 3: that immediate proximity makes a difference in the experiences one has.

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