1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast on this Good Friday, 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: and on Good Friday, we are blessed to have Jeff 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: Cans with us. He is a biblical scholar and the 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: creator of the Bible in a year plan also the 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: host of Daily Reflections with Jeff Cans, one of the 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: most popular sessions on the Hollow app. And you've got 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: something new coming out that we can download right now 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: and kind of follow this Holy Week through the Hollow app. 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: Is that correct? 10 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: That's right. It's good to be with you, Tutor, And yeah, 11 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: it's going to be a powerful week. Jonathan Roumi, who 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: most people know plays Jesus on The Chosen is going 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: to be shooting the crucifixion scenes in the Passion week 14 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: coming up in just a little while from now. With 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: that given, he's never been to the Holy Land before, 16 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 2: and we do the Daily on Hello together and he 17 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: wanted to go to the Holy Land and he wanted 18 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: to have me teach him to go through the actual 19 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: walk with Jesus from Palm Sunday all the way to 20 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: the Resurrection and beyond, and so we did. We went 21 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: over there and it was magnificent and there was nobody 22 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: there there's not many pilgrims there, so we really had 23 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: complete access to places like the Garden Agassemine, the Holy Sepulcher, 24 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: the Tomb of Jesus, the Last Supper, everything. It was 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 2: just really, really amazing, and so we put that together 26 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 2: with Hallow and we launched it Monday, this the day 27 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,199 Speaker 2: after Palm Sunday, and now we're going every day through 28 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: it and the response has been incredible, and I think 29 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 2: people are very interested because, I mean, this is the 30 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: guy playing Jesus, the biggest role right now on the 31 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: big screen, and I think they want to see his 32 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: response to being there for the first time as a 33 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: prep for the filming. 34 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: Well, and for a lot of us, you know, I 35 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: haven't been there, and I want to see it. I 36 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: want my children to be a to see that. The 37 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: goal obviously is to get there one day myself. But 38 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: what I was reading about your trip and from your 39 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: own experiences being over there is so much deeper than 40 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: you can even imagine. You know. It's like when you 41 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: go to these places that are so monumental in your 42 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 1: life or in the history of your nation, you can 43 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: kind of feel it in your bones and I can't 44 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: even imagine what it's like to be in the Holy 45 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: Land to something so consequential for not only your life, 46 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: but your eternal life. 47 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: Exactly right, you know. It's like I guess I would 48 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: equate it to years ago. I liked listening to Phantom 49 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 2: of the Opera the CD, back when they had CDs, 50 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: and then I listened to it in the car all 51 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: the time. And then I got to go to the 52 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: Broadway production and I was sitting there and all of 53 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: a sudden it happened right in front of me, the 54 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 2: chandelier and everything. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is 55 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: so much different than just listening to the CD, which 56 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 2: is fine, a lot of enjoyment out of it. But 57 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: that's the way it is. When you go over there. 58 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: You've heard all your life, perhaps these stories about Jesus. 59 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 2: There's stories about Paul and Peter, Mary, the rest of 60 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: the prophets, and then suddenly you're walking there. Like in 61 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 2: one scene with Jonathan, we were right outside of Caiaphas's house, 62 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: the high Priest, where Jesus was he was betrayed by 63 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: Judas in the garden of Cassemone. They brought him back 64 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: up to Caiaphas's house and this was the road that 65 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: was Jesus' last walk from the Last Supper down to 66 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: the garden of Gassemone. And he and I sat down 67 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: and I sprung it on him. I said, you're sitting 68 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: on the stones that he walked on, and it hit 69 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,839 Speaker 2: him like wow. And that's what happens. You know, of course, 70 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: when you go over there, and we do realize that 71 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: a lot of people they can't make it over there. 72 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 2: One of the reasons right now is because of the war. 73 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: I was finishing a project and actually landed on October 74 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: seventh and that morning and had to turn around three 75 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: days later come back. But a lot of people are 76 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: not going to make it over there. So what we 77 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: wanted to do is try to bring it to you 78 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: in a way that it's not just the pictures, but 79 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: we wanted to create the atmosphere for you to enter 80 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: into that particular story. 81 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: And at a time when there has been kind of 82 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: this resurgence of faith and you see it, you see 83 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: it in these articles. All suddenly we're seeing that the 84 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: amount of people that are dropping off is not happening anymore. 85 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: It's kind of steady, and it seems like there's a 86 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: push toward growing people in the faith in Christianity. And 87 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: as I was preparing for this, I was thinking, you know, 88 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: all these years I've reflected on this weekend and what 89 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: this means, and I don't think I think every year 90 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: it changes for me. It's kind of especially as a 91 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: parent now, because I was thinking about this this morning, 92 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: and I'm like, do I talk about this as like, 93 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, hey, happy Good Friday? Or are you sad 94 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: on Good Friday? But I was thinking about it, and 95 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: I said to myself, you know, what a hero what 96 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: a hero's day? Because he knew. He didn't question it, 97 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: he didn't say, you know, there's a way of getting 98 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: out of this. He knew he had to do this, 99 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: and he knew it was going to be extremely painful. 100 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: He knew it would be humiliating all of the things 101 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: that we avoid in life, right, everything to a degree 102 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: that we could never possibly handle. And yet he walked 103 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: into it in a glad way because he's our parent, 104 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: you know. And I thought, as a parent, I see 105 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: it differently because I'm like, so many years I've said 106 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: to myself, what was it like for him to see 107 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: his mother, to know that he was leaving her, to 108 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: know that he would be separated. And it's just like 109 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: us when we are losing someone to death, we go, 110 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: we're separated for a time, and for him it was 111 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: a separation for a time, but there was no hesitation 112 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: because he would do anything for us. It's just so 113 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: incredible for me as a parent to think I would 114 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: do this for my kids, but how much more he 115 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: will do for me? 116 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like what you said. You would do 117 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: it for your kids, But the question is would you 118 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 2: do it for the rest of the kids out there? 119 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: The answer is probably hmm, I don't know about that. 120 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 2: Or would you offer your kid for the sins of 121 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: the world. Now you really get into that position of 122 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 2: Mary having to walk through that. And you know when 123 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: Jonathan and I were sitting on those steps and we 124 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: were looking out at the ancient temple mount and the 125 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: garden of Goitsemone and the path that we were going 126 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: to walk down, which after we spoke, he said, I 127 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: got to take my shoes off. I have to walk this. 128 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: And he took his shoes off in his socks, and 129 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: he walked all the way down, came and came back 130 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: and I said to him, and this is on the 131 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 2: heels of what you said, and that is he left 132 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: the Last Supper. He went by Kai house on this 133 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: ancient Roman road, and he was going to go down 134 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: to the garden of Casemite. He knew very well that 135 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: one of the twelve was betraying, yet he kept walking. 136 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: He knew very well that he'd be arrested and brought 137 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: back to Caiaphas's house and put into that dungeon, and 138 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: he kept walking. And the big challenge for us on 139 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: this particular series was will we keep walking? Because you 140 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: probably are going to be betrayed at some point in 141 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: your life, and you're probably going to be denied at 142 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: some point in your life, or you know, disrespected in 143 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: some way. Would you still walk? Would you still take 144 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: those steps of faith? And so the only way that 145 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: you can really do it is if you have Him 146 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: in you, if you are walking in Christ and Christ 147 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: is in you and empowered by the love of the 148 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: Holy Spirit. And that's really what Easter is about. It's 149 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: the victory over death, hell and the grave, and it's 150 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 2: allowing us to experience that same spirit that raised Christ 151 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: from the dead, and that same spirit that raised Christ 152 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: from the dead now fuels us in our daily jobs. 153 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: And our family and our extended family and politics. You know, 154 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: every single area there's something different about you and there's 155 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: something different about me. And that differences is the love 156 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: of Christ in our life, and this week celebrates it 157 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 2: in spades. 158 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: It's funny because from the perspective of politics, because politics 159 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: has sort of gotten like seeped into every aspect of 160 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: our lives and even our children's lives in ways that 161 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: I had never seen when I was a kid. I 162 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: think of that this story in terms of what were 163 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: the disciples thinking, because I think they were still still 164 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: in a political mindset, even though their faith was very strong. 165 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: They were still like, Okay, this guy's going to be 166 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: the leader. You know, this is the king. He's going 167 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: to take over all of these lands, and we're with him. 168 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: We're with the king, not fully understanding what being with 169 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: the king was, right. So I think so from their 170 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: perspective on this weekend watching him be betrayed, what the 171 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: emotions were. And I'm sure you walk through this in 172 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: this journey. What are the emotions of being at your 173 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: highest high? You know, you're having this dinner with the 174 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: king of kings, and the feeling had to have been 175 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: different than any other feeling. I can't even imagine it. 176 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: Sitting with Jesus himself, you know, and learning from him 177 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: and knowing that there is something so special, and then 178 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: he gets betrayed. And Peter obviously is shocked because he's like, yeah, no, 179 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: I don't know the guy, you know, but you can 180 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: see all this from today's perspective and say, my goodness, yes, 181 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: you would be so afraid because the law of the land, 182 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, thinking Okay, he's going to be the next king, 183 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: he's going to take over, and then you're kind of like, 184 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: whoa in the on in the natural we got burned, 185 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: you know, and the earthly sense this didn't go the 186 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: way we thought it was the way Jesus was expecting, 187 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: but they were kind of figuring it out as they went. 188 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: The joy of Sunday had to have been incredible, but 189 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: still there had to have been unease. 190 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, you put it perfectly. We should have brought you. 191 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: You could have given commentary here, because what you are saying, Tutor, 192 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 2: is exactly what we followed, and that we went down 193 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: into the Garden of Gasemone, we experienced the betrayal, we 194 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: were brought back up to Caiaphas's house and the place 195 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 2: where Jesus was downstairs there in that dungeon. You can 196 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: hear outside right there. And if Peter says, man, I 197 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 2: tell you I don't know the man, well, Jesus heard 198 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: this and chills, Yeah, you said so well, And that 199 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 2: is that Peter was on a high. They all were, 200 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: And yet there was confusion. What's going on? And we've 201 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 2: come in for the passover. Things are looking a little uncertain. 202 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, Judas leaves the last up or early. 203 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: They go down to the garden. The Romans come in 204 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: and Judas kisses him and betrays him. At that point, 205 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 2: it's like, okay, what's going on? They're taking them away. 206 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: Certainly there's got to be a way out of this. 207 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: I mean, he's going to do some kind of miracle 208 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: like we haven't ever seen before. And all their plans 209 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: come crashing down as they take him, and of course 210 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 2: they whip him, they beat him and they crucify him, 211 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: and they put him in the tomb. And this attitude 212 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: that people had, who was reflected in Luke twenty four 213 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: and the Amais Road afterwards, these two individuals are doing 214 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: what they're walking away from Jerusalem. Their heads are low, 215 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: they're disappointed, their dreams are crushed. And as one preacher 216 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: once said one time, you know, it's Friday, but Sunday's coming. 217 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: You know, in your life it's Friday. Things don't look good. 218 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: It's gloomy, cloudy. You're not sure about the future anymore. 219 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 2: But Sunday's coming. And after the resurrection, you see what 220 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: you were talking about. You still see this, this remnant 221 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 2: of the disappointment. Because Peter was the leader, he had 222 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 2: the keys to the kingdom, and he denied the lord 223 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: three times. And afterwards there must have been that sheepish 224 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: look of man, I wish I would have stuck in there. 225 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, you know. And we see his heart 226 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: reflected in that he says, I'm going to go back fishing. 227 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: He goes back up north to Galilee to fish. Now, 228 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: if you understand how you become a disciple. The rabbis 229 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 2: would invite someone to become a disciple by saying in Hebrew, 230 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 2: lech ACHRAI come follow me, And that's what he said 231 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: to Peter. But now Peter's like saying, you know, I'm 232 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 2: not the right guy. I think there's probably better choice. 233 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: He goes back up to Galilee, and so Jonathan and 234 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: I went back up to Galilee on the Sea of Galilee, 235 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: and we went right to that place where Jesus shows up. 236 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: And Peter is with some of the other disciples fishing 237 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: because they're kind of going back, you know, and Jesus 238 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: all of a sudden appears and it's around a charcoal fire, 239 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: just like at Caiaphas's house, denied him around a charcoal fire. 240 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: And then Jesus pulls Peter out and says, do you 241 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: love me more than these? He says, Lord, yeah, I 242 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 2: love you. Feed my sheep again, you love me? Feed 243 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: my sheep a third time? You love me? He gets upset, Lord, 244 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: you know everything about me. You know I love you. 245 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: Then feed my sheep, tend my lambs, and then he 246 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: ends that conversation with Peter. I can just in the series. 247 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: I put my hand on Jonathan's shoulder and tell him this. 248 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: As I looked at me, I said, ah, come fall, 249 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: Yeah you fell, but the calling is still on your life. 250 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 2: And I think that's good news for how many people 251 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 2: who have failed in marriage, they failed in raising their children. 252 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: At least they feel that way. They feel like I'm 253 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: left over and in Jesus eyes, No, it's always a 254 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 2: new beginning, and that's what Easter is. It's a new beginning. 255 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: It's a new start in your marriage, in your relationship 256 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 2: with people, in your hope for the future. So it's yeah, 257 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: when you go there, it kind of comes alive. And 258 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: when I brought Jonathan up there on the shores of 259 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 2: the Sea of Gali, you could see in his eyes it. 260 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: Was like, We've got more coming up with Jeff Cavens, 261 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: But first I want to talk to you about my 262 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: partners at IFCJ so so critical right now, especially and 263 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: as we're listening to this podcast, we need to understand 264 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: that Israel is still under attack. 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It's 283 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: one word support I f CJ dot org. Now stay tuned. 284 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: We've got more coming up after this. I think about 285 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: all of those things that you just said, when you 286 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: talk about how Peter felt and how he shied away 287 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: from this, and how much that's like us. You know what, 288 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: when we read the Bible, it's it is stories of 289 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: earthly people who are people of faith. But we can 290 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: continually fail, right, We continually fall back on what we 291 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: know here because it's hard and I think that the 292 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: message and maybe I'm wrong, but it feels like the messages. Look, 293 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: this is a journey, and it's a hard journey, and 294 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: you only you can keep bringing pulling yourself back. But 295 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: Jesus is there. You've got to keep seeking him. He's 296 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: never going to stop seeking you. He will never stop 297 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: seeking you. But it is it's hard because I think 298 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: about all of the different factors, all of the different 299 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: outside worldly pressures. Because they followed this man when people 300 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: were going, oh my goodness, he's not talking about the law. 301 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: He's going against what we learned. He's not following the 302 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: Old Testament, he's not following what Moses said. You know, 303 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: this is all of this stuff is different, and we can't. 304 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: We've got to get away from this guy. And then 305 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: the disciples were like, no, there's something here. We're going 306 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: to follow him. And then you go through the crucifixion 307 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 1: and you've got to be like all of the worldly 308 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: pressures that the people on the outside going told you, yep, 309 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: told you it wasn't the Messiah, and then you it 310 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: now falls on you alone when Jesus comes back and says, 311 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: keep feeding my people, Well, that's on you. You have to 312 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: tell the story. Now it is worldly people going out 313 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: with faith and with the Holy Spirit and changing hearts 314 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: and minds, and that to me is so powerful because 315 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: that's you and me. 316 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. You know. There's a text 317 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: in the Bible says hope deferred makes the heart sick 318 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 2: and in our lives. You know, you think back at 319 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 2: all the times we had great hope about something and 320 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 2: then something happened and hope was deferred. It didn't happen, 321 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 2: and you feel sick about it, you know. And I 322 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: think that the disciples probably felt that way when Jesus 323 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 2: was put into the grave and what was that walk 324 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: home like? What was that like? That day of oh 325 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 2: my gosh, what is the last three years meant? You know, 326 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 2: I'm going to get that backed And they must have 327 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: felt that way. But the resurrection from the dead overcomes 328 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: all of this. And if people are living with this 329 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 2: idea of a sickness in their heart and their soul 330 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 2: because hope has been deferred, whether in a relationship or 331 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 2: their children or work or whatever it might be, I 332 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 2: think that the resurrection renews all of this hope, because 333 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 2: you know, our hope is not in man, you know, 334 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: and our hope is not as Asalma says, not in chariots, 335 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 2: and it's not in gold and silver or bitcoin or 336 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 2: anything else. Our hope is in God. And I love 337 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: this because you know, the Hebrew word, which is also 338 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: the anthem for Israel, the national anthem, hot teak va 339 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: tik va is hope, the hope. How tikva is that 340 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: the hope that we have, we've been given in our heart. 341 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: Hope is not a hope, so you know, and it's 342 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 2: not a projection of the future based on my limited power, 343 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 2: my limited perspective, my limited insight and wisdom. But it's 344 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 2: a look at the future based on His unlimited power 345 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 2: and his unlimited vision in wisdom given to me because 346 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: I'm in Christ. And so when I look at a 347 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: problem in my life and I and I think, oh man, 348 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: I'm just such a loser, you know, And is this 349 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,239 Speaker 2: happening again? And you can change that attitude, and you 350 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: can say, Lord, I'm going to hope in you. My 351 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: hope is in you. My hope isn't in the market, 352 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 2: you know. My hope, my hope certainly is not in 353 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 2: politics necessarily, you know. And I think that's where a 354 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 2: lot of people in our country are at right now, 355 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: is that we have lived for a long time with 356 00:19:55,119 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: hope in people and the the the the market, in 357 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 2: our life, whether it be politics or Hollywood, or whether 358 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 2: it be you know, the news, these things. People really 359 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: relied on it. In the last five to ten years, 360 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 2: everything has been scrambled a bit and people are like, wow, 361 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: what do you know? What do we do? You know? 362 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: I'll give you an example of that, Tutor. What was 363 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: a few years ago, Father Mike Schmidts and I put 364 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 2: together the Bible in a Year podcast And we did that. 365 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 2: We did that. See, it was in twenty twenty and 366 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: we were done by around October January first of twenty one. 367 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: We got a call from our producer and said, are 368 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 2: you sitting down, and yeah, it's your number one So 369 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 2: number one? 370 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: What? 371 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 2: Number one? 372 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: What? 373 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 2: And they said it's number one podcast in America. What. 374 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: We went on there to app and looked at it 375 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: and we had to determine real quickly why why And 376 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: we came to the conclusion it's not us. Had we 377 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: been given that task of trying to do that, we 378 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 2: wouldn't have done that. We would have tried to be 379 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: funny or something, you know. But here's what the deal is. 380 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 2: We believe the Holy Spirit did this. Why because everyone 381 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: during the beginning of COVID, they were lonely, they were 382 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 2: without work. Many of them they couldn't get out there. 383 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: It was an awful time for a lot of people. 384 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: And in the midst of it, it was like the 385 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 2: Lord was saying, Okay, I'm going to come to you 386 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 2: and I'm going to renew your life and I'm going 387 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: to give you a plan for living. And that's the only, uh, 388 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: that's the only conclusion we can really come to. And 389 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 2: I think we're still in that to a degree. And 390 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: so we have this, you know, we put out something 391 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: like we did with Jonathan there, and my word, the 392 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 2: response was incredible, just really incredible. 393 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: An access in a way that young people understand better 394 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: than sitting down and doing the job on your own 395 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: of reading the Bible. You know, it's like there's there's 396 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: a new new way of reaching people and that that 397 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: was given to you, like this is how you're meant 398 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: to do it. And I just I think about what 399 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: you said about hope and the need for hope, and 400 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: I think that's what we've seen in this country for years, 401 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: and that's why that the environ the political environment, has 402 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: become so toxic because there's a blame of who, you know, 403 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: whose fault is it? And where do we put place 404 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,239 Speaker 1: our hope? And there has been a decline in the 405 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: past ten years of people in the church. We now, 406 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: like I said, we're seeing that steady off and that 407 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: maybe even increasing a bit. And I believe that's because 408 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: you know, they went around and they talked to young 409 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: people in this new generation and they said, you know, 410 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: what do you need? And years ago I was in 411 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: a group where this woman said, we find that our 412 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: students who are joining these different groups keep telling us 413 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: that they're I want to be a part of something bigger. 414 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: So I become an activist and I go out then 415 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: I fight for a cause. And it's not a cause 416 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: they believe in necessarily, it's something that they feel like 417 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: they're a part of something bigger than themselves. And they said, 418 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: you know, we're pushing them back to the church. There 419 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: is a way to be a part of something bigger 420 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,719 Speaker 1: than yourself. They push them back to the church. And 421 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: these young people have come in back to the church 422 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: and even sometimes sought out Latin masses because they've said, 423 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: you know, I want to really, really feel that closeness 424 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: to God and that feeling of the Scripture and feeling 425 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: of God's word on me and how that changes my life. 426 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: And you're talking about this pilgrimage being life changing, and 427 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: I just think it's so neat to watch how one 428 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: app has brought so many people. Even if you were 429 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: a church person, it's brought unchurched, it's brought church to people. 430 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: But bringing you to that closer relationship with God is 431 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: just so critical to getting through all these things. And 432 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: then I think, honestly, we wouldn't have this fear of oh, 433 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: my candidate's not here, my politicians not the one and 434 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: what's going to happen. God's got this. 435 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you nailed it. I think you really 436 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 2: nailed it. And when you talk about where young people 437 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: are at today, because my wife and I we've watched 438 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 2: the evening news, we see these protests for whatever reason. 439 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: I mean, there's people that are sincere, and there always is, 440 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: but we looked at it over and over and over 441 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 2: and I said to my wife, I said, they don't 442 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 2: believe in this, they're not even aware of really what 443 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: the subject is, but they want to become a part 444 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: of something that rises up and there's change, and there's 445 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 2: purpose and so forth. And I get that. And what 446 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 2: I would say to them is there is a purpose, 447 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 2: and there is change, and there is someone to follow 448 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: and to fight for, and that is the Lord Jesus Christ, 449 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 2: who is some people say, a revolution, you know, and 450 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: he's the one that stood up against the norm, and 451 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: he's the one that said to love your enemies, and 452 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 2: and so the I think that the more difficult you 453 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 2: make Christianity in some ways, young people are like, that's 454 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: for me. I'm going to do that, you know, And 455 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 2: and they want to follow this radical guy, and I'm 456 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 2: going to lay down my life even if i have 457 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: to die. I'll die for you, kind of like Peter, 458 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: you know, Lord, I'll die for you. And Jesus, hmmm, No, 459 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: you're gonna You're gonna deny me before the cock crows 460 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 2: three times, you know, deny me three times. So I 461 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 2: think I think that, uh, you're You're exactly right when 462 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 2: you look at the young people out there, and you 463 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 2: can see I think I know you. That's what you 464 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 2: and I are saying, kind of, you know, tutor, looking 465 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 2: at them, I think I know you. I think I 466 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: know what you're searching for Come here, I've got something 467 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 2: for you. It's gonna blow your mind. 468 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: It's been kind of neat to see celebrities get involved 469 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: in this because I think that that is another group 470 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: that young people tend to go. I'll put my hope 471 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: in you all follow you. I think that something you're 472 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: doing is impressive. And to see them kind of step 473 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: out and be like, it's not about me. Yeah, And 474 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: that's gotten some pushback too. I think it was Gwen 475 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: Stefani who came out over Christmas and was talking about 476 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: the Hollow app and she got a lot of pushback 477 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: on us, like whoa what is this? And I think, 478 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: you know, when you're in that position, all the pushback 479 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: is fine if you save one. 480 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know the purpose of the app is 481 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 2: not to gather together a bunch of speakers and singers 482 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 2: who have their life completely one hundred percent totally put together. 483 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 2: That is not the purpose. The purpose is to glorify Jesus, 484 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 2: to proclaim the Gospel in a way that people can understand. 485 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 2: And we do realize that along the way, there are 486 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: a lot of people who are at different places on 487 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 2: this journey, and there is nothing wrong with me walking 488 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 2: with one or two and saying how are you doing, 489 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: you know, and how are you relating to God in 490 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 2: your life, all the while keeping what we call that orthodoxy, 491 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 2: you know, their center stage. And so yeah, there are 492 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 2: people who join us, you know, Lauren Daggel and Chris 493 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: Pratt and Mark Wahlberg, and these are people who are 494 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: actively you know, growing and trying to pursue their relationship 495 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 2: with the Lord. You know, Tutor, the one thing we 496 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 2: don't want to do is we don't want to project 497 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 2: this idea that if you're going to hang with me 498 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 2: or us, you got to have it together, you know. 499 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 2: And we're not putting people on there like they're doctors 500 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: of the Church, your great saints from the old These 501 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 2: are people like you and me, you know. And the 502 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: truth is that if people knew all about any of us, 503 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 2: we probably would not be invited to the party. 504 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: You know. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue 505 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I saw a post 506 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: on social media today and I don't know if it 507 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: was true, but it was a good a good example 508 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: of what we tend to do. It was this story 509 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: of a bishop who had a woman and her young 510 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: child come into the church, and she wasn't dressed the 511 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: way the people expected her to be dressed. So people 512 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: that worked at the church ushered her out, and the 513 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: bishop said to them, you'll pray for her every day 514 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: for the rest of your life, because there's a chance 515 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: that she will never walk into a church again. And 516 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: I want to make sure that we don't chase people off, 517 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: that everybody is welcome. Yes, And I just think so 518 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: often that is the case. It's like, oh, you don't 519 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,719 Speaker 1: really fit here, You're not really right, and we have 520 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: to remember we don't really fit here. Yeah, yeah, we're 521 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: never good enough. And yet he always welcomes us. 522 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's always saying, you know, come with me. 523 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 2: I don't see Jesus at any point saying you you 524 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: and you please stay. 525 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: Back a little bit right right right. 526 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: I've got reputation, i have a social media platform, I've 527 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 2: got a book deal. It's about to be please please. 528 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 2: He'd say, bring the children to me. Bring them and 529 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 2: what do the what do disciples do? They tried to 530 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: push them back, who wha, whoa? Give the superstars some 531 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 2: rome here. No, he said, bring them to me, bring 532 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: them to me. And I think that that's that's I 533 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 2: believe the heart of Jesus, and that's the way I 534 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: want to be, you know, And anybody that I can 535 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 2: bring to the walk with the Lord, I'm going to 536 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 2: do it because I know that here's the here's the 537 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: interesting thing. I'll share this with you. You get you'll 538 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 2: get a kick out of this. I think when uhhen 539 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 2: Zachias down in Jericho, he's he's chief tax collector. That 540 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 2: means he's he's hated by all the Jews. He's got 541 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: he's the chief. He has underlings that are tax collectors. 542 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 2: He has a fine home and everything. He has ripped 543 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 2: people off. He has cheated people, you know. And when 544 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 2: they see him coming to Jericho to do what he 545 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 2: wants to see Jesus, he's you know, he gets up 546 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 2: in the sycamore tree and he looks down he sees Jesus, 547 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: and and Jesus looks up at him and says, you 548 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 2: come on now, I'm going to have dinner at your house. 549 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: They go crazy nuts. 550 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 2: If he knew who that was, yeah, he wouldn't have 551 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 2: them over for dinner. Does you know what that says? 552 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 2: Something about his discernment. You know, he is so if 553 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: he knew who that was. He'd never he would invite us, 554 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 2: the Pharisees, you know, the scribes, we would be going 555 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 2: to dinner. But here's the deal. They got ripped off 556 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: of a lot of money. The only way that they're 557 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 2: ever going to get back that money. And they're probably saying, 558 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 2: you know you owe me, you ripped me off, you 559 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 2: owe me. I wish I could take you to court, 560 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,479 Speaker 2: you know. But the only way they're going to get 561 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: that money back is if Zechias has dinner with Jesus. 562 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 2: And when Zechiez gets together with Jesus, his whole heart 563 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,959 Speaker 2: melts and he says, I'm going to give I'm going 564 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: to give everything back to them in fourfold. And that's 565 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: what happens when we invite the tax collectors and the 566 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 2: chief priests to come into this intimate dinner with Jesus, 567 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 2: and Jesus changes their heart and then that that that 568 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 2: high priest turns around says, you know all of you 569 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 2: that I know, I know I've done you wrong, and 570 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: I know you've hated me all this time. I know it. 571 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: I'm giving four fold back this guy, Jesus, that you 572 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 2: allowed me to come into the city and view he's 573 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 2: changed my life. Yeah, earlier about the lady with the dressing, 574 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: you know, addressing what would happen if they had taken 575 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 2: Jesus and just thrown them out of the city Zechias. 576 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: And it's such so interesting at a time when we 577 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: see people like looking at at somebody in their political 578 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: party and saying, you talked to this person. You can't 579 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: be a part of this group anymore. You can't, you 580 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: can't be here. We've got to push you out. You're 581 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: not acceptable. You crossed the line. This is an exclusive group. 582 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: And yet Jesus didn't have an exclusive group. It wasn't 583 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: an exclusive club with Jesus. It was open to all. 584 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: And you think that you you think so many people 585 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: look at Christianity as an exclusive group, but it's not. 586 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: And that was why we have That's why Jesus came, 587 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: That's why he sent, God, sent his only son. It 588 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: was to say it's not exclusive. It's here for all 589 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: of you. I'm coming to you to show you that 590 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: it's here for all of you. And I just I 591 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: think that's so amazing. And this weekend is always that 592 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: weekend where you feel like he did it for me 593 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: and I didn't deserve it. I don't know why he 594 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: did it for me, and I think there is guilt 595 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: in this weekend, and probably a good guilt, because that's 596 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: that convicting guilt that on Sunday means we all get 597 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: to say, at Sunday came, Sunday is here, he has 598 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: risen and we get to rejoice in that. But before 599 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: I let you go, I know I'm keeping you a 600 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: little long, but let me ask you to just one 601 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: more time. Tell people where they can get this, because 602 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: I know I want my girls to walk that walk, 603 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: and so people understand they actually get to see you 604 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: walk this walk? 605 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 2: Correct, Yes? With Jonathan? Yeah, I mean Jonathan's really the 606 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 2: I think the folk of this is his experience because 607 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 2: he's going to be filming in the weeks ahead now 608 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 2: those scenes for the Chosen. And you know, people can 609 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 2: go to you can download the Hello app and you 610 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 2: can register that way. They do have a seven seven 611 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 2: days free which is perfect for this, and if you 612 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 2: want to get I think it's three months to check, 613 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 2: but I think it's three months. You can go to 614 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 2: Hello dot com forward slash Jeff Caven's my my name 615 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: and they'll give you three months free on that. But 616 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 2: you can get it. You can download it and you 617 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 2: can begin watching right now, and you can pick up 618 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 2: the whole week. You can go back and watch him 619 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 2: as well, and it's really a great tool. You mentioned it. 620 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 2: You're spot on for children because when children say that's 621 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 2: the Garden of that's the Garden of gossemone and a 622 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 2: boy that looks like Jesus, well that's Jonathan, but he 623 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 2: plays Jesus. 624 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what I always say. I'm a very 625 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: I'm a visual person and I know my kids are 626 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: visual people. And I think we all sit down and 627 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: we read those stories and we read those stories together 628 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: as a family. But to put the visual with it, 629 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: to see that, that's so much more powerful. And that's 630 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: why I think it's so important people go to Hollow 631 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: download the app you just heard. You can get three 632 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: months free, So why would you not do it? Go there? 633 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: And really, I think that you have to understand that 634 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: the reason people like you are out there doing this 635 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: for the folks listening is because we want you to 636 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 1: have that hope. The hope that you talked about. It's 637 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: just it's having gone through cancer, losing my dad to cancer, 638 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: just all the things that you go through as a parent, 639 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: all the struggles you go through. I don't know how 640 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: I would have done it without Jesus. 641 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that tutor. I just October. 642 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 2: Last October my dad died, and then March first to 643 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 2: this year, my mom died. And I know what you're 644 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 2: saying is that is that there's something different about you 645 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 2: and there's something different about me morning because we have 646 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 2: this relationship with Jesus, there's even our mourning is different, 647 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 2: and our hope is even in. 648 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: That because it's we're separated for a time. I mean, 649 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: it's just like when I think about him at that dinner, 650 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: looking at all of them and the difference between what 651 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: they were going through at that dinner and the knowledge 652 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: that he had at that dinner. I leave them tomorrow. 653 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: I am separated for a time. That is the same 654 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: feeling I had when I lost my dad. We're separated 655 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: for a time. I'm so blessed that I get to 656 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: see you again. And I think that's the if that 657 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: doesn't sell you, I mean, that's the hope that you 658 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: have in Jesus, is that you get to have eternal 659 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: life in him because he has given his life for us. 660 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 2: Amanda that I totally agree with you, totally agree. 661 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, thank you, and happy Easter coming up. 662 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Jeff Cavens, like you said, go 663 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: to the Hallow app for sure. Thanks for being on today. 664 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you all for joining us on the 665 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast. 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