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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast in the Clay

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Fentanyl has become one

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Speaker 2: of the most urgent health crises in our country, with

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Speaker 2: the illicit drug pouring across our borders, wreaking havoc in

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Speaker 2: our communities and claiming a record number of innocent lives.

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Speaker 1: And this year alone, border patrol.

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Speaker 2: Seized enough fentanyl to kill the entire US population. Day

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Speaker 2: after day, we heard devastating stories from the day care

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Speaker 2: the very first time. Fentanyl is now killing one American

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Speaker 2: every eight minutes. The crisis has worsened and politicians have

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Speaker 2: to our guest today. Thank you April so much for

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Speaker 2: joining me. April is the founder of Lost Voices of Fentanyl,

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Speaker 2: which she started after losing her own twenty five year

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Speaker 2: old son, Austin to fentanyl poisoning in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much, Tutor for having me on

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Speaker 3: your show.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, we were talking a little bit before we started

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Speaker 2: recording about what this is doing to the country. You

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Speaker 2: lost your son. You call this fentanyl poisoning. I think

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Speaker 2: that's a really big distinction between overdose. It brings it

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Speaker 2: home almost you know, this is something that can happen

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Speaker 2: to anyone, and we now know it can happen to

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Speaker 2: anyone because we've seen it happen to toddlers. Saw at

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Speaker 2: the Airbnb, we saw it happen at the daycare. How

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Speaker 2: prevalent is ventanyl across the country.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's absolutely out of control. And we call

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Speaker 4: it a poisoning because it is a poisoning.

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Speaker 3: It's not an overdose.

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Speaker 4: Anytime anyone disguises a harmful substance in anything for another

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Speaker 4: person to consume without their knowledge and it causes death

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Speaker 4: or harm, well there you go.

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Speaker 3: That's the definition of a poisoning.

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Speaker 4: And there's no safe dose of illicit fentanyl, absolutely zero.

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Speaker 4: Just because people can grow a tolerance to elicit drugs

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Speaker 4: still does not imply there's a safe dose to take.

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Speaker 4: So I don't call heroin or any drug a overdose.

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Speaker 4: I call them really it's a drug induced homicide. Why

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Speaker 3: Dealers getting away with murder?

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Speaker 4: And for people actually seeking fentanyl? Almost every single person

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Speaker 4: they were deceived into fentanyl dependency. Heir Win users were

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Speaker 4: the first people being preyed upon, and no one really

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Speaker 4: seemed to care about heroin users. You know, I kind

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Speaker 4: of refer to this as aids Ryan White. No one

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Speaker 4: cared about aids because it was it was their problem,

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Speaker 4: that was a gay people problem, just like fentanyl. No

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Speaker 3: World started getting a little bit of empathy. So now.

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Speaker 4: You know, the only reasons, the only reason really why

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Speaker 2: Now, I think that's critical because you say that and

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Speaker 2: and I felt very naive about this. But I did

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Speaker 2: you're a recovering addict yourself, this is not You're not

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Speaker 2: just fighting for your son, You're fighting for a community

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Speaker 1: Pull other people out of.

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Speaker 4: I mean absolutely, if fentanyl was out back in the day,

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Speaker 4: I would most definitely be dead. So is my life

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Speaker 4: is worth nothing? So everyone that's actually hooked on it,

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Speaker 4: God bless them. They don't want that, believe me. And

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Speaker 4: now they're leasing the fentanyl with xylazine, which is narcan resistant.

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Speaker 4: there's all these other analogs of fentanyl out there that

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Speaker 3: I mean half of them I can't even pronounce. You know,

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Speaker 2: Let me talk to you a little bit about your

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Speaker 2: But I have met folks who come from a family

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Speaker 1: Know what they're looking at.

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Speaker 2: But teenagers are getting pulled into using marijuana. And people

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Speaker 2: have said that is not a gateway drugs. But that's

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Speaker 2: what happened with your son Cross exactly.

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Speaker 4: My son started smoking marijuana at nineteen. He didn't last

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Speaker 3: Come on, come on, it's a gateway. You know. It's

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Speaker 2: Like, so what do you say about these dates that

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Speaker 1: What's going to happen in the communities.

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Speaker 4: They just passed it here in Maryland July first of

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Speaker 2: I mean, so, I think that's key because I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people think that this is very innocent.

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Speaker 2: And I have said for years we are praying on

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Speaker 2: looks like it is desserts and candies and kids are going,

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Speaker 1: And what does that lead to? And people say, it's

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you, adderall we have elementary school children

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Speaker 4: The faces on a banner and we display them. This

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Speaker 4: is just not normal. Big Pharma created a pill pop

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Speaker 4: in generation. These kids think it's no big deal to

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Speaker 2: Why are we not being told how to talk to

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Speaker 2: I've had this experience. My daughter went through anxiety. We

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Speaker 2: I got calls over and over again from the psychiatrist

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Speaker 2: how you work through this behaviorally, but they don't. They

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Speaker 2: And I said, no way, I'm not doing that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's all corruption.

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Speaker 4: We're like you said, the money, big pharma, follow the

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Speaker 4: So they created the crap to kill us, and now

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Speaker 3: And I hate saying this.

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Speaker 4: We are never going to narcan our way out of

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Speaker 4: We want narcian. Anywhere there's a fire extinguisher, there should

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Speaker 4: way out of this crisis. Our government literally has to

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Speaker 1: a Tutor Dixon podcast. So you're right, we start talking

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Speaker 1: Where no one can ignore this now.

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Speaker 2: And I mean I think your analogy, Ryan White analogy

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Speaker 1: And so you've seen this in these debates.

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Speaker 3: Are you were unable?

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Speaker 4: I want to know how many people were narcian. Everybody

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Speaker 4: And there's still places in America that aren't even testing

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Speaker 4: So we're not actually we need to really assess this.

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Speaker 2: So tell us about your organization because you I mean,

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Speaker 4: dead in the water because of a Democrat won't pass it.

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Speaker 3: Why is that?

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Speaker 4: Because Democrats are burying their children. It's these politicians and

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Speaker 4: they make it political and they we the families don't

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Speaker 4: make it a political issue, but it is a political

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Speaker 4: And I tell people, blame the politicians, write them, call them.

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Speaker 4: Why are they making it political? I don't know, but

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Speaker 4: they do. And it's really sick and disgusting because this

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Speaker 4: is a red, white and blue issue.

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Speaker 3: Everyone is dying here.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

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Speaker 2: a Tutor Dixon podcast. I understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not political in your hearts, it's not

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Speaker 1: political in your family when you realize you've lost someone.

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Speaker 1: But that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at the end of the day, the only people

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Speaker 2: that can stop this are the people that have been

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Speaker 2: elected to office. And so if that's not your number

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Speaker 2: one concern, I mean, our number one concern should be

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Speaker 2: the safety of the people and national security, and both

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Speaker 2: of those things are at risk as long as you

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Speaker 2: have drugs coming across your border that addict people and

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Speaker 2: kill people. And so I don't understand how you can

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Speaker 2: have I don't understand.

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Speaker 4: Right, Benny Thompson. They had congressional testimony in DC. Jason

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Speaker 4: Jones was testifying Derek Maltz, and Benny Jones pretty much

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Speaker 4: said Benny Thompson, I'm sorry, I think that's I'm pretty

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Speaker 4: sure that's his name. But he said this was a

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Speaker 4: waste of his time, and he called it a Maga stunt.

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Speaker 3: Really, that's a punch in my face.

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Speaker 4: That's a punch in every one of us family members

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Speaker 4: with dead kids. I don't care if they have five

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Speaker 4: hundred hearings until they start acting on these hearings and

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Speaker 4: passing bills like get out of my face. Americans are dying.

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Speaker 4: The cartels have operational control of that border. Everyone with

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Speaker 4: eyes can see and ears to hear can see what's

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Speaker 4: going on. The cartels are in this country. There was

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Speaker 4: just an MS illegal immigrant thirty minutes from my house

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Speaker 4: that killed a teenage girl. He was an illegal immigrant

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Speaker 4: from Guatemala. MS thirteen member and Aberdeen, Maryland.

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Speaker 3: You can google it. She's dead. They're all over our country.

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Speaker 3: I mean, why are they allowed to be here?

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Speaker 4: Look at the daycare center right in the Bronx, New York,

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Speaker 4: two fridays ago.

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Speaker 2: To have somebody this is to have somebody call out

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Speaker 2: another political party or a part of a political party

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Speaker 2: and say this is some kind of a stunt, like

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Speaker 2: you said you lost your son during the Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: This is a problem for the country. It's not a

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Speaker 2: problem for one party. It's not a problem for certain people.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and I'm going to state this when Rebecca Kissling

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Speaker 4: this past year, she testified in Congress too on fentanaw

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Speaker 4: I forget what the actual.

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Speaker 3: The name of the whatever was called. Don't mind me,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: But when she lost her two sons, And it was

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Speaker 4: like the following day and she was talking about secure

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Speaker 4: the border. Yes, we want the border secure. That's how

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Speaker 4: the crap is getting into our country. So yes, we

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Speaker 4: want secure borders. And Joe Biden was asked about it

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Speaker 4: and he kind of chuckled and went her boys died

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Speaker 4: under the Trump administration. Well, what does it matter. You

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Speaker 4: are the sitting president. It shouldn't matter if a child

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Speaker 4: died under.

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Speaker 3: Trump or Obama.

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Speaker 4: And mind you, you were the VP under the Obama

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Speaker 4: administration when this crisis started exploding and they did nothing

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Speaker 4: the Obama administration.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the point of saying that it's not political.

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Speaker 2: It's happening under It doesn't matter if you're a Republican

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Speaker 2: or a Democrat. It's coming into this country and the

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Speaker 2: only people that can stop it are the people that

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Speaker 2: are elected. Those are the people that can make the

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Speaker 2: choices of what they do with tariff's in China, what

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Speaker 2: they do with trade in China, what they do with

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Speaker 2: the cartels on the border, how they work with Mexico.

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Speaker 2: All of these things are things that we hear in

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Speaker 2: these debates. We hear some of these questions asked. But

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Speaker 2: I would say to those of you who are listening,

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Speaker 2: this can hit you at any time. You are not safe.

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Speaker 2: You are never safe from drugs coming into this country,

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Speaker 2: no matter how old your kids are, your family members are.

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Speaker 2: It's always out there and it is coming. That's the

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Speaker 2: scary thing is they're looking for you. They want you

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Speaker 2: to be involved in this lifestyle, in these in this

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Speaker 2: you know, get you addicted to drugs that they're trying

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Speaker 2: to track you down no matter who you are, And

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Speaker 2: you have to listen to these answers. You have to

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Speaker 2: ask your politicians and I and I would say to

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Speaker 2: people in their own state, ask if you see your congressman,

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Speaker 2: if you're donating to a congressman or a senator, say hey,

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Speaker 2: I want to know what you're going to do about FENTNA.

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Speaker 1: I want to know it's so what tell us before

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Speaker 1: I let you go?

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Speaker 2: Tell us about your organization and tell folks how they

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Speaker 2: can help.

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Speaker 4: So lost Voice of Fentanyl. We really focus on supply.

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Speaker 4: We don't focus on the demand side. So we're focused

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Speaker 4: on China, the Mexican cartels, the southern border, and drug

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Speaker 4: dealers here in America like and drug traffickers like. We

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Speaker 4: don't want drug dealers getting away with murder. Our kids

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Speaker 4: pay the ultimate price. They're six feet under and they

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Speaker 4: literally get away with murder. So we support the Drug

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Speaker 4: Induced Thomicide Foundation. We focus on supply. We're on Facebook,

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Speaker 4: We're on Twitter. Our biggest discussion group is on Facebook.

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Speaker 4: We have a YouTube channel. You can also visit our

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Speaker 4: website at LVOF dot.

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Speaker 3: Org and donate. We need money.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you support them.

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Speaker 2: And also, if you are someone who's experienced this thing,

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Speaker 2: you need people to talk to. It sounds a good

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Speaker 2: great place to go and find other people who have

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Speaker 2: gone through this themselves. Thank you, Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for being here with me today, April Babcock.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much, and thank you all for

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Speaker 2: joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode

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