Speaker 1: Yo, what's up?
Speaker 2: You're off in God's Country with your boy Read and
Speaker 2: your other boy Dan.
Speaker 3: Also known as the brothers Hunt.
Speaker 2: Will we take a weekly drive to the intersection of
Speaker 2: country music and the great You look like an airplane.
Speaker 2: I was doing an intersection intersection of country music in
Speaker 2: the great outdoors. Two things that go together, like leaving
Speaker 2: your favorite pillow at a hotel.
Speaker 3: And never sleeping good. Ever again, That's what I'm doing
Speaker 3: these days, is what I'm doing these man or Dolly
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Speaker 2: There, new boot not new two time first repeat guests
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Speaker 1: Ain't scared.
Speaker 3: Ain't scared of riffing on here.
Speaker 1: Ain't scared. No haired layered.
Speaker 2: Lad, ain't scared, No haired Luke Laird h one of
Speaker 2: our favorite guys in this town. We love him. Great stories,
Speaker 2: great dude. We just kind of yeah, we just kind
Speaker 2: of talk the first part of the podcast about everything
Speaker 2: and then we get into some music stuff and.
Speaker 3: It was nice to have a repeat on too. Man
Speaker 3: just kind of you know, we're familiar with him. He's
Speaker 3: such a good guy and his great a great perspective
Speaker 3: on songwriting and breaking into the business and life to
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Speaker 2: Now, oh man, we said this about him last time,
Speaker 2: but he's written a million number ones he's got, he's
Speaker 2: earned two grant two two.
Speaker 3: Time joke Wimmer, Grammy Swimmer, Grammy Swimming? Is this the
Speaker 3: same jumps? Did you write the exact same intros?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Did you copy and paste the intro?
Speaker 1: We could skip that. He changed the.
Speaker 3: Strip of play Awards, Got two Kids, producer of the
Speaker 3: Cool Chips Big Town Deer Killing told a really long
Speaker 3: story about the sidewalk there last time I said to leave,
Speaker 3: I really told the story then left. We've got Luke layered.
Speaker 2: Back on the God's Country podcast. Baby, that's the first
Speaker 2: time we've ever said back, dude, how's it feel?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: As it feel to be back? I should have done
Speaker 3: I should have done the beat boxing while you were
Speaker 3: in showing in Man too late, don't pick.
Speaker 1: I'm probably one of the few guests you can afford
Speaker 1: to pay to come back twice. You know what?
Speaker 3: It were definitely one of the only ones that answered
Speaker 3: to come Wait. First off, did we get in my pair?
Speaker 3: I was gonna say he probably came back on to
Speaker 3: get the free to coz. But then I was like,
Speaker 3: wait a second for coming on today. Heck, yeah, congratulation.
Speaker 1: These are my only pair right here, and they're like
Speaker 1: my favorite boots. What are those? I have no idea.
Speaker 3: Those like the ropers.
Speaker 1: In my age, I usually specifically just dress for comfort.
Speaker 1: So it's if I could, you know, wear skit, If
Speaker 1: my wife would let me wear a skit, I probably would.
Speaker 3: Wait is there a stigma against ketchers?
Speaker 1: No? I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean I just because I've been thinking about them.
Speaker 3: They look comfortable, the whole slipping guys you wearing you've
Speaker 3: been wearing some haye dudes, Oh they're free. What you're
Speaker 3: a country songwriter? Wait a second, hey, dudes, and Zen's
Speaker 3: yeahs impacts? Does nicotine cure? Can I mean cure cancer?
Speaker 1: I would? I don't have the credentials to answer that.
Speaker 3: You wear glasses, you don't have hair, that should be
Speaker 3: enough covers everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a doctor, No doctor?
Speaker 2: Is that like a new Is that like a new
Speaker 2: trend that's going around or just if it has that
Speaker 2: always been a thing.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm asking the doctor.
Speaker 3: I saw I saw a guy Congress want being a doctor.
Speaker 1: Oh it's I have no idea where we're going here.
Speaker 1: But I barely got out of MTSU.
Speaker 2: I did see a guy where he's like, he's like yeah,
Speaker 2: He's like, it's not the nicotine, that cigarette, it's the
Speaker 2: fifteen other.
Speaker 3: That's the guy kid talking about. Why is he on
Speaker 3: my feet?
Speaker 1: Dude?
Speaker 3: Why is that one of the girl because the governments?
Speaker 3: Why does it go the government pushing that on your boy?
Speaker 1: I have no idea, man. I remember when I started writing,
Speaker 1: A good percentage of writers smoked cigarettes. You know they'd
Speaker 1: walk out. Now, I hardly know anybody I know.
Speaker 2: I know I started smoking cigarettes too, because told you
Speaker 2: smoked cigarettes.
Speaker 1: Mom.
Speaker 2: It was It wasn't because I liked him, Mom. It
Speaker 2: was to get me in more rooms and to get
Speaker 2: me out there talking.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: When when writers would go take a little smoke break,
Speaker 2: I'd go light one up. Yeah, and not in hell.
Speaker 1: I just not in hell.
Speaker 3: Just fake smoke, you know what I'm saying. Fake smoke.
Speaker 2: Hey, last time we had you on, you left us
Speaker 2: because you had more important things to do early and
Speaker 2: you actually went and met Dolly parton that day. I
Speaker 2: did you met up with Alana del Rey and we'll
Speaker 2: get into later because you just worked with her and
Speaker 2: some stuff. It's cool and y'all went and met Doll.
Speaker 1: How was Dolly wild? Was she nice?
Speaker 3: Was she she was nice?
Speaker 1: No? Yeah, I was surprised at how mean she was
Speaker 1: just kidding. She was super nice. It was one of
Speaker 1: those Lonna called me and she's like, do you want
Speaker 1: to meet Dolly Parton? I mean, what do you get? Yes?
Speaker 1: Why would you even ask? You know?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I apologize. I had to leave early, but we
Speaker 1: went out and this is this is crazy. I think
Speaker 1: I work hard, well, not compared to a lot of people,
Speaker 1: but Dolly Parton and I don't know how old she is,
Speaker 1: but she's been doing it for a long time. I
Speaker 1: get out there and she was shooting a commercial for
Speaker 1: one of her zillion products. Her manager had said she'd
Speaker 1: been there since four am.
Speaker 3: I was like, what shooting that commercial?
Speaker 1: Well, just you know whatever? Get ready? Yeah, doing stuff?
Speaker 1: And so in.
Speaker 2: Between telling how long it takes her to get ready
Speaker 2: to man, there ain't no telling. I don't know it
Speaker 2: takes Jordan and you look great? Yeah, Dolly is what
Speaker 2: did you do to get ready for this?
Speaker 1: Well? Nothing? Drank left our podcast came to your podcast
Speaker 1: and did you brush your teeth?
Speaker 3: I did, I didn't brush my But you know, Foss,
Speaker 3: you don't brush your teeth every morning? H I mean,
Speaker 3: I just you brush your teeth every morning?
Speaker 1: I do. I don't every night, though, Cross, I know
Speaker 1: my wife.
Speaker 3: How do y'all go to sleep?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I know, Jordan don't. How about you new guy in
Speaker 3: the back? Do you brush your teeth every morning?
Speaker 1: Every night? Give us a smile? He's clean?
Speaker 3: Let me say he's clean?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Twice a day, twice a day, three.
Speaker 2: Times a day sometimes, man, if I get if, I
Speaker 2: feel a little if my teeth and feeling.
Speaker 3: The cavities you had in your whole life one or
Speaker 3: two cool? I never had anything? Yeah, right, promise.
Speaker 1: I've never had a cavity.
Speaker 2: You're forty two dogs, Mama, don't know your DEMI records
Speaker 2: from the past in you have you been to the
Speaker 2: was the last thing being the Donnist?
Speaker 1: I don't know about three years ago. Nothing's hurting though, right, nothing? Yeah? Never? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I think I'm assuming. I bet Dolly brushes her teeth.
Speaker 3: Somebody that brushes them.
Speaker 1: For she was you know, she was super nice. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was a quick. You know, she doesn't know who
Speaker 1: I am, but she was kind got to get my
Speaker 1: picture with her. I literally was one of those like
Speaker 1: what do I say? You know, I'm not gonna be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm a songwriter like you. She'd be like, no, you're not.
Speaker 1: You didn't right, I will always love you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think you are?
Speaker 1: No. Literally the only thing I could think of the
Speaker 1: one mutual person. I mean, I'm sure there's others, but
Speaker 1: I know the guy who built our house has done
Speaker 1: some work for her. I was like, yeah, Rob built
Speaker 1: my house, and she's like, oh, maybe that that must
Speaker 1: be why he's taken so long to finish myself. So
Speaker 1: then I was like, dang it did I say that?
Speaker 1: But she said in a really nice web it. Of course,
Speaker 1: the rest of the time there, I'm just in my head.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have said. Yeah, you know, screwed it up.
Speaker 1: It was wild. I mean, yeah, I got to meet
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton, you know, crazy.
Speaker 2: We Uh, my little girl's obsessed with Dolly, so she
Speaker 2: just turned three. We took her to Dolly would and
Speaker 2: uh like I didn't. I mean, we went into Dollywood.
Speaker 2: You can go like all and see all her outfits
Speaker 2: and all her shoes and the tour busts she used
Speaker 2: to tour on, and it, dude, it I mean, like
Speaker 2: I obviously it's Dolly Parton, but.
Speaker 1: She's a really really big deal, dude.
Speaker 3: A lot of outfits, sparkly outfits.
Speaker 1: You guys, you know, being songwriters. I think, like we
Speaker 1: were talking earlier, she's like such a huge entity, like
Speaker 1: outside of the music stuff everything, But sometimes just for fun,
Speaker 1: I'll go back up look up old YouTube videos and
Speaker 1: seeing her sit there with a guitar and play and sing,
Speaker 1: it's unreal. And I'm part of me is like, how
Speaker 1: does she do that with those?
Speaker 3: Did you see on the Johnny Carson Show? Have you
Speaker 3: seen that one where she plays the she wrote a
Speaker 3: song for Johnny Carson. It's like I never hit the
Speaker 3: big time until I played Johnny Carson Show. I'm telling
Speaker 3: you her nails art and she's playing and she played
Speaker 3: it on the Johnny Carson Yeah picking Neil, yeah no,
Speaker 3: But I mean it's just David Nell. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But just the songwriting, you know, and when she sits
Speaker 1: there and perform like spot on pitch, I mean just
Speaker 1: a naturally gifted like you're like, yo, yeah, she's the
Speaker 1: real deal, you know she was.
Speaker 2: She recently she just had her Hall of Fame thing inducted,
Speaker 2: not inducted the Hall of Fame obviously, but her exhibit
Speaker 2: was over and Jordan got to go and she took
Speaker 2: Griffin my little girl, and she videoed her when Dolly
Speaker 2: walked out for the first time and Jordan or you
Speaker 2: can see Griffin.
Speaker 3: Like doing like this, and she goes, it's Dolly and
Speaker 3: it's like the first time she's ever seen her in person.
Speaker 3: She said, can I stay hot to her?
Speaker 2: And she was waving and she got home. I was like,
Speaker 2: you gotta tell me about it. She goes, so Dolly
Speaker 2: waved at me. I was like, that's what I'm talking.
Speaker 1: About, dude. That's like. The first concert I ever went
Speaker 1: to was Randy Travis at our County Fair, and I
Speaker 1: was that's it was during his one Forever and Ever
Speaker 1: Amen was a single, so he's blowing up. I went
Speaker 1: with my aunt and uncle and I remember now thinking back, like, man,
Speaker 1: what an annoying kid. The whole time I was just
Speaker 1: finally caught his eye and he waved and I was
Speaker 1: just like I forgot it. Yeah. I was like, do
Speaker 1: you ever get a chance to tel him that you
Speaker 1: have you know, I've never that's pretty good. I never
Speaker 1: met him. And uh, but we do share a birthday,
Speaker 1: just different years or so, I have a birthday whenever
Speaker 1: that is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, me and Brad Pitt share a birthday in Christine Aguilar.
Speaker 3: You know how I share a birthday with? Pretty happy
Speaker 3: about it. Teddy Roosevelt.
Speaker 1: Wow, yep.
Speaker 3: We should fact check that one, because that's a cool one.
Speaker 3: You know what else we should fact check this fact
Speaker 3: that I know about Teddy Roosevelt is uh.
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you wrote a song about it.
Speaker 3: I did, I just did. Right then Teddy rose Bill
Speaker 3: went on a bear hunh I don't know. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: well then there's no I always keep going. Uh where
Speaker 3: they had a bear tied to a tree, and he said,
Speaker 3: no thanks, this old bear hunt and that bear tied
Speaker 3: to tree came for me for me, so that's it.
Speaker 3: They so he was he Actually I didn't want to
Speaker 3: shoot the bear. It wasn't necessarily tied to a tree,
Speaker 3: but I think it was kind of a canned yea
Speaker 3: pinned up and he sniffed it out and a man
Speaker 3: so and in honor of that, they made a little
Speaker 3: bear and that's where teddy Bear came from. Teddy Bear,
Speaker 3: are you serious?
Speaker 1: Serious? Check it?
Speaker 3: Check it? It was a yeah, okay, that's real. That's
Speaker 3: a great segment. While you got the guitar to go into.
Speaker 1: What what you're mad?
Speaker 3: Just tell us what it is what you're mad? Is
Speaker 3: it your grandpa's kids, mine being parents, your neighbor's cat.
Speaker 1: Just tell us, swash.
Speaker 3: Man and we need you like that.
Speaker 1: I didn't heard that.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry he hasn't heard anything. Doesn't listen to our
Speaker 3: podcast now.
Speaker 1: I totally knew that one.
Speaker 3: You can always tell when somebody's like, that's awesome, you've
Speaker 3: never heard of?
Speaker 1: Like, when did you write that? Oh?
Speaker 3: Are you mad at eight?
Speaker 1: Wait? Is it real? We're getting fact check? Jordan's doing
Speaker 1: some fact Yes.
Speaker 3: The teddy Bear was named after US President Theodore Teddy roseident.
Speaker 3: That's that's enough.
Speaker 1: First and just leave now.
Speaker 3: So for all you haters out there, I thought that
Speaker 3: story wasn't true. Hater, My mom can't cheat up more.
Speaker 3: Yes she does. All right?
Speaker 1: Uh, who's mad?
Speaker 3: Who's mad at something?
Speaker 1: You know what? I'm mad at?
Speaker 3: What you mad at? People that open their banana upside down?
Speaker 1: Oh dude, people do that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that's some serious that is that's the reason
Speaker 3: to be mad.
Speaker 2: Don't do it. Guys, who did you see somebody Something's
Speaker 2: a writer? Maybe yeah something.
Speaker 3: They probably listen this podcast might be on it quit
Speaker 3: opening bananas upside down Singleton he.
Speaker 1: Had a piece of fruit in years. Yeah, he's not it.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is I guess it's kind of personal.
Speaker 1: I'm just mad, a little bit mad at my dad bod.
Speaker 3: Wow looks you know, sweatshirt on today in the summer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a little I feel like I work out.
Speaker 1: I just uh, you know, struggle with the sweets. I
Speaker 1: just really love something man me too recently man dairy
Speaker 1: Queen like blizz. Yeah. I can't really be mad at
Speaker 1: dairy Queen. I mean it's not their fault. It's my
Speaker 1: self control. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well it's kind of a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I'm forty seven now, though,
Speaker 1: so pardon me is like does it matter? You know?
Speaker 2: It gets me is late night, late night, Yeah, because
Speaker 2: your life's almost over.
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm halfway in my lower back pain.
Speaker 2: Late night snacky snack and gets me like if we'll
Speaker 2: watch a TV show and get done at ten thirty
Speaker 2: or something like we're watching Homeland get done at ten
Speaker 2: thirty and it's been four hours five because we eat
Speaker 2: dinner now yees five thirty ye, I mean sometimes four
Speaker 2: like it. We'll just run, I mean. And so I'm
Speaker 2: starving at ten thirty and I'm not tired because I
Speaker 2: just watched the Cia Show and I'm like, man, what's
Speaker 2: what's in there?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Griffin's birthday cake and glass the milk.
Speaker 1: Yes, I get down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pretzels and some new tails, some pretzel, little peanut
Speaker 2: butter with the peanut butter in the middle.
Speaker 1: We buy the huge of course, if you just.
Speaker 2: Drop about twelve in nutel and trying to you gotta
Speaker 2: find them. Go in there and find them.
Speaker 3: That's what Easter egg. It's mean, dude. My move lately
Speaker 3: has just been like, whenever I get to that point,
Speaker 3: I just eat a bunch of fruit, like I just
Speaker 3: And I don't know if that's any better or worse,
Speaker 3: but I'm like, I'll just have blueberries.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 3: I eat a bunch of blueberries, and I'll eat an apple.
Speaker 3: It's probably better go to bed, right, half a go
Speaker 3: to bed or half a birthday. And that's in my
Speaker 3: head That's the reasoning is just like it's better than.
Speaker 1: I I don't have a problem late night snacking, but
Speaker 1: basically because I don't stay it because I can't stay
Speaker 1: awake late nice. That's if you ask my wife what
Speaker 1: she's mad at. Probably when we get in bed to
Speaker 1: watch a show at night, and the second my head
Speaker 1: hits the pillow, she's like, are you sleeping? I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I literally cannot stay awake Shyanne when she falls asleep
Speaker 1: in our shows, and I say, are you awake, sugar? Now?
Speaker 1: So I got that girl in the cage. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what two hours?
Speaker 2: Jordan have a thing where I have to I'll like fast,
Speaker 2: I'll hit it on like two times, fast forward to
Speaker 2: the last episode, and I'll narrate the whole episode like
Speaker 2: it's right here. He's talking about going to Berlin and
Speaker 2: then when he got by Cinide and and she's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's you did a pretty good job.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: It might fell over lately, it might fail in a while. Wait,
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not gonna do my mad at yet.
Speaker 3: I got two things. One is I left my pillow
Speaker 3: in New Orleans. I think I've talked about this, and
Speaker 3: I'm still dealing with the hotel people to try to
Speaker 3: figure it out when I should just go buy another one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they don't want to send it. I ordered a new
Speaker 3: pillow that they were like, it's awesome. It's cooling, dude,
Speaker 3: it's cool. I cannot sleep and I gotta have a
Speaker 3: cold pillow. Like that is the I don't care you
Speaker 3: know about.
Speaker 1: This cold pillow movement.
Speaker 2: I gotta either I gotta have a cold pillow, and
Speaker 2: and the ones we used to have or Jordan still has,
Speaker 2: I'll still try to like put my head against it
Speaker 2: sometimes it's so cold.
Speaker 1: All not okay, what is it?
Speaker 2: I don't know what kind is it? She's looking at
Speaker 2: it either, But the one I ordered is not it.
Speaker 1: Do you order a purple?
Speaker 2: No, purples are still kind of a little warm. This
Speaker 2: pillow right here is a game changer anyway. It's just
Speaker 2: goodber slumbers, Okay, slumber shield.
Speaker 3: So how's the firmness. It's firm and it doesn't it
Speaker 3: stays like it's like that thick and it stays that way,
Speaker 3: so you know, it's not huge, and it doesn't sink
Speaker 3: in like this, and when you flip it over, you
Speaker 3: gotta put your head way high because it's it's man,
Speaker 3: I haven't been sleeping good for like two weeks, dude.
Speaker 3: Literally last night I woke up at at one o'clock
Speaker 3: in the morning and couldn't fall back asleep till four thirty.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, and it's I'm telling you, it's because
Speaker 3: my pillow. It's trash. I should just go buy one.
Speaker 1: You got to figure that.
Speaker 3: But they're like two hundred dollars. One more mad thing
Speaker 3: I'm mad at is spam emails in different languages that
Speaker 3: you don't know how to unsubscribe from.
Speaker 1: Oh that's trash, dude. They don't have like what a
Speaker 1: great you can subscribe it.
Speaker 2: It says it's where it on putter Sea Bay, and
Speaker 2: then you click, oh, that must be and then it's like.
Speaker 1: You accidentally click subscribe to anything like this. They're all rotten.
Speaker 2: Next, there's one, man, I don't know if you'll get
Speaker 2: this one, but it's like Bergarae de France and I've
Speaker 2: been I've literally been getting these emails for years and
Speaker 2: I've clicked everything at the bottom of them that looks
Speaker 2: like I've even gone in together and never got a
Speaker 2: spam email in a different language.
Speaker 3: It's trash, man, you sign up somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you tell my mother in law you're getting
Speaker 1: them because you're clicking on them, I.
Speaker 3: Think click on by day for thee look at this,
Speaker 3: look at this guy. Part of the true because here's
Speaker 3: how I know this because one time my wife is
Speaker 3: going through my Apple iPhone watch.
Speaker 1: And she was like, who is this email from?
Speaker 3: And that said some dirty stuff? And I was like, dude,
Speaker 3: everybody gets those.
Speaker 1: She was like what.
Speaker 3: I was like, Ask any of your brothers right now
Speaker 3: if they've ever gotten emails and they'll say yes, and
Speaker 3: they were all and luckily they have my back. They're like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: if you have ever signed up for anything as a male,
Speaker 3: and I'm just shouting out, if you've ever a four
Speaker 3: wheeler into your phone or they're gonna target or said
Speaker 3: you're thirty five male, whatever, like, you've ever signed up for.
Speaker 1: Anything, You're gonna get them. Dude, you're gonna get them.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, that's a good call to do it in
Speaker 3: a different language and not yeah, really, I hadn't thought
Speaker 3: of that's didn't.
Speaker 1: They're getting smart, smart, getting smart.
Speaker 2: Have you heard about this trend going around where people
Speaker 2: are discussing the one hundred men versus gorilla No.
Speaker 1: Five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so the one hundred men one hundred men
Speaker 3: verstu one gorilla. But it's not all at one time.
Speaker 3: It's like one at a time, right, No, I think
Speaker 3: it's all at one time. I think it's one at
Speaker 3: a time. Can we sat sweet check that. I think
Speaker 3: it's like you fight a guy, he dies, you find
Speaker 3: another one, you find another. That's one, i'd say, because
Speaker 3: because there's like numbers. Oh, we can do both of them,
Speaker 3: that gorilla all day long. Yeah, yeah, explain to explain
Speaker 3: what we're talking. I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's just a trend going around of like everybody there discussing,
Speaker 2: would do you think one hundred men verse one gorilla?
Speaker 2: Who would win in the scenario where you they all
Speaker 2: get to go at one time? I would say, men,
Speaker 2: if all get to go at one time, yeah, there's
Speaker 2: gonna be a few casualties, sure, the first the first
Speaker 2: ten that get on there.
Speaker 1: You started answering before I I was going to say,
Speaker 1: how big is the gorilla? But I'm silver silver back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred minute one time is still in that gorilla.
Speaker 1: Man. I just want to know who would sign up
Speaker 1: for that. Well, I guess if your life's not going
Speaker 1: well or something like this could.
Speaker 2: Be if there's a prize, big prize money you can
Speaker 2: get to split a hundred million dollars maybe or something. Well,
Speaker 2: the way I read it was it was a draft,
Speaker 2: like they were drafting the top one hundreds of America.
Speaker 3: Like, who would your one hundred be? Somebody's somebody's Joe Rogan.
Speaker 3: For sure, you put him in there. I would put him.
Speaker 3: I feel like he's like a fighter guy, Joe. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he would be in the top one hundred probably of
Speaker 3: fighters in America.
Speaker 1: And then you go, he wouldn't like the big UFC.
Speaker 2: Those guys could rock Joe Rogan's world, any of them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know that, But why would talk in the top
Speaker 2: one hundred. He's probably in the top one hundred of
Speaker 2: the world of fighters. He's a bad dude. No way, bro,
Speaker 2: he's a bad dude in the world. No, wait, the
Speaker 2: world is in America. I can't remember. You're out of
Speaker 2: your mind, period.
Speaker 1: How much I would I would be curious first, I'd
Speaker 1: want to know how much can this gorilla bench press? No,
Speaker 1: is there a way to figure that out?
Speaker 3: How gorilla bench press Jordan, random guy in the back
Speaker 3: shaking his head.
Speaker 2: Yes for some reason, a bench press contest. Just gorill,
Speaker 2: here's one of our buddies. Here's one we could like
Speaker 2: to do. If you were to fight either a gorilla,
Speaker 2: they can be around one thousand pounds. Okay, given a
Speaker 2: suggests a gorilla could lift up to eleven hundred.
Speaker 3: Pounds, I think the gorilla would win. Verse one hundred men,
Speaker 3: one hundred hundred men at one time. Yeah, do you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? One hundred men? How are you
Speaker 3: gonna kill him? You're gonna want you put him in
Speaker 3: a headlock. I mean you got one guy if he
Speaker 3: just you know how big their heads are, you couldn't
Speaker 3: get his head in a headlock.
Speaker 1: Want to bite somebody's head off?
Speaker 3: That scared tacked it to the far. Take that I
Speaker 3: didn't take fear into effect. The first guy, this guy
Speaker 3: coming this way at this gorilla is Maull done. Yeah,
Speaker 3: in the heartbeats, I don't think there's any surprise. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's there's no secret in that. There's gonna be ten.
Speaker 1: When you say it. When you said a trend, I
Speaker 1: thought like this is trying people are trying to actually Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're going to TikTok and then there's a video gorilla.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can pay a hundred bucks. Olla.
Speaker 2: Here's one our buddies do that's always mixed is if
Speaker 2: you were to fight, if you had to fight one
Speaker 2: of these things, which one would it be a grizzly
Speaker 2: bear or a silver back?
Speaker 3: My gosh, that's death either way. Okay, I don't think
Speaker 3: it really matters which one kills you faster. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: A bear will kill you faster. Grizzly bear will kill
Speaker 3: you faster. Real, they just do one, just one just
Speaker 3: takes one. You remember the story we heard about the
Speaker 3: Montana guy, So this is a cool story. I hope
Speaker 3: it's true. I think it's true. When we were hunting Montana,
Speaker 3: we ran into a lot of some hot stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we ran into This is the way this episode's going.
Speaker 1: Today, Babe.
Speaker 3: We're just free styling. Free styling. That was pretty good.
Speaker 3: My So out there we were hunting and we meet
Speaker 3: this guy. I guess I should probablyleave names out of it,
Speaker 3: but basically the bear and Legends of the Fall the Bear,
Speaker 3: and like any commercials you've ever seen, there's only like
Speaker 3: three bears and there they are actually trained where they can.
Speaker 1: Do it, right. So the bear trainer guy.
Speaker 3: Was was eating with us that night or either his
Speaker 3: I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I think he's a buddy. He wasn't actually the trainer guy,
Speaker 2: but he lives in the area where we're hunting. So
Speaker 2: you pass his house if you find a he did.
Speaker 3: Okay, I know, we don't even tell him where he lives.
Speaker 1: There'll be a link to the pen. You can actually
Speaker 1: go visit this noxploin. So he uh So.
Speaker 3: Anyway, so the bear is shooting a commercial for like
Speaker 3: don't leave food in National Parks. Yeah, and he's sitting
Speaker 3: on a table eating the cake right right. So they're
Speaker 3: filming it whatever they get done filming, and I think
Speaker 3: they have him in like the way they described it
Speaker 3: like for commercials. They basically have he lives in this
Speaker 3: one area and then they have an acre pin where
Speaker 3: you can set up your commercial or whatever. They bring
Speaker 3: the bear in, the bear eats the cake, and then
Speaker 3: they give him back to his regular place of residence.
Speaker 1: So he's eating the cake.
Speaker 3: Or still probably like an acre Sadly that dude don't
Speaker 3: put the gun on blast.
Speaker 1: I don't know it. Maybe no, I've seen this five
Speaker 1: hundred I've seen this. So so he's eating the cake.
Speaker 3: They get done. He's he's like, all right, I think the.
Speaker 1: Bear's name is Brutus. I think so it makes sense.
Speaker 3: It is Brutus. Come on back, we're gonna you know.
Speaker 3: He was like great, and then they're like buddies. Right,
Speaker 3: So he goes, great job today and puts his hand
Speaker 3: up to give him five. Right, Well, the bear just
Speaker 3: gives him, goes to give him five, and this peak
Speaker 3: appropriate appropriate pinaky just slasarrates because when he goes to
Speaker 3: give him five, it just kind of because you know, no, yeah,
Speaker 3: and it just naked him right there on the jug done,
Speaker 3: he said. He grabs his neck, immediately turns to the
Speaker 3: vehicles and runs as hard as he possibly can to
Speaker 3: the vehicles, gets like ten yards from the truck, falls over.
Speaker 3: They throw him in the truck. He survives.
Speaker 1: So it's all wow, but one one high one high
Speaker 1: five one pinky, Yeah, not even the whole one y
Speaker 1: one little rogue?
Speaker 3: You think this will cut you? Run there, rogue, pinky?
Speaker 3: What about the uh paul been getting you? Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: stomping me this year?
Speaker 1: Dude, I do the my wife take us our attack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I do that every morning. They keep it, but
Speaker 1: I feel like it started starts, I swear, like in
Speaker 1: February for me, like, like, what's going on? It's still
Speaker 1: freezing it, Like, yeah, pollen is in Nashville, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just like the worst. I'd never actually where I
Speaker 1: grew up in Pennsylvania, I never remember seeing walking out
Speaker 1: and seeing like actual pollen on your truck. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: here it's just wild. Yeah, it's it's it's all.
Speaker 3: I don't remember that in Weston. Say, honestly, why are
Speaker 3: we talking about Poulend You just brought it up, so
Speaker 3: there's nothing else talk about spring with.
Speaker 2: But let's talk about deer hunt because because we had
Speaker 2: you on last year, I think it was post deer
Speaker 2: season before.
Speaker 1: What was did you kill a deer with your recaver
Speaker 1: last year? No, it's that's another embarrassing I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't have as much time to get out. I missed one,
Speaker 1: So this one. That's that. On those days, that's when
Speaker 1: you're like, should have taken the compound. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it just it was kind of a rough season. But
Speaker 1: you know the thing I love about bow hunting. I
Speaker 1: got buddies who do a lot of duck hunting and
Speaker 1: different things. I'm such I love the time by myself.
Speaker 1: So that's my favorite thing is just being out in
Speaker 1: the woods sitting in a tree stand. My wife's like,
Speaker 1: how do you sit there for like three hours? And
Speaker 1: kind of like my dad said back in the day.
Speaker 1: Of course this is pre cell phone, but they're like,
Speaker 1: what do you do? My Dad's like, oh, I got
Speaker 1: plenty up in my head to keep me entertained for hours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no doubt. And I think even like you guys would
Speaker 1: probably agree, Like as songwriters just for ideas and stuff,
Speaker 1: you just need that time to without input, to actually
Speaker 1: without distraction. Yeah, without distraction. And so that is my
Speaker 1: favorite thing about deer hunting.
Speaker 3: Hunting, that's my favorite favorite thing. It used to not
Speaker 3: to be for me.
Speaker 2: It used to be about that you gotta, right, you gotta,
Speaker 2: I gotta shoot something. I gotta, I gotta If I
Speaker 2: don't see deer, I'm mad. Yeah, if I don't see deer,
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have gone.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It was that for a long time, But but I
Speaker 2: do I do agree, like getting especially as a creative
Speaker 2: in your mind, going crazy like it does feel really,
Speaker 2: I mean that fishing turkey hunting, playing golf. If you're
Speaker 2: playing golf alone. Honestly, if I'm playing golf with other people,
Speaker 2: that's still it's still a distraction to me. But if
Speaker 2: I'm playing golf alone or just anywhere being alone out
Speaker 2: in the outdoors, man, I feel like is a is
Speaker 2: that for me?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And the fall too is my favorite time of year really.
Speaker 1: I mean I like spring too, like the change of
Speaker 1: seasons with the fall, when the weather first gets crisp
Speaker 1: and the smell of it. I just love it. And
Speaker 1: it makes me think of growing up, like hunting with
Speaker 1: my dad and stuff. So I think I'm pretty nostalgic,
Speaker 1: but I do love that time of year. I think
Speaker 1: that's what.
Speaker 3: Look, I'll duck hunt, I'll hunt, yeah, I'll I'll go
Speaker 3: with people, but like, yeah, with rest, Yeah, it's not
Speaker 3: even really fair. We'll go to one of the best
Speaker 3: duck hunting places in the world for two days for
Speaker 3: free and shoot five thousand eleven man limits every day.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 3: But I think, like the solidarity to me is it.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's nice to just kind of be out
Speaker 3: there just kind of it is with nothing, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: and you know, or with plenty, but with yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I agree, I will tell you a quick duck hunting.
Speaker 1: So that's something else I didn't grow up doing. But
Speaker 1: I have a buddy who has a camp in Arkansas
Speaker 1: and he's always been on me we got to go.
Speaker 1: But this year he's like, let's go down, take our
Speaker 1: boys down for the youth hunt. And my son it
Speaker 1: was his first time, but he really wanted to go,
Speaker 1: so I was like, let's go. So we went down
Speaker 1: there and I will tell you, like seeing your let's
Speaker 1: see how old was he? It's eleven. So we went
Speaker 1: I guess whenever that youth hunt is sometime in February
Speaker 1: early whatever, went down and seeing him like bring his
Speaker 1: first duck down. I mean, we were kind of off
Speaker 1: the side. He was in one of those like lay
Speaker 1: down blinds and these, which I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 1: how smart it was for us to put two eleven
Speaker 1: year olds in there with loaded shotguns, but it was awesome.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, they fly over and they just
Speaker 1: start blatt and he brings one down. And before I
Speaker 1: could even get over to him, because we were kind
Speaker 1: of off to the side, he's up. He's running towards
Speaker 1: me grabbed the duck by the neck. He's like, can
Speaker 1: I put it in my room? I was. It was
Speaker 1: just it's hard to describe it. It was just like wow,
Speaker 1: and this is I've never even shot a duck like
Speaker 1: it was. And I could just see that joy and
Speaker 1: it was and I was like, yeah, of course you
Speaker 1: can put in your room, which I still got to get.
Speaker 1: It's still our freezer, would like Alex Wilson at the No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's who I'm I took my deer a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago there, Yeah, I'm taking it. I called him
Speaker 1: right after we did that and he's like, hey, we're
Speaker 1: a little low on freezer space. But I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll just call you back, but I stop, I need
Speaker 1: to get it down there. But but yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that experience with your son like that again, that going
Speaker 1: down there killing anything. It was that time with him,
Speaker 1: the memories, and I think all kinds of hunting, you know,
Speaker 1: whether you do it for like getting to be alone
Speaker 1: and then also with with friends and family, like it's
Speaker 1: just so awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it becomes about that, right, like yeah I can.
Speaker 2: I mean my kids are young, but I can. I'm
Speaker 2: excited about my my my little ones growing up and
Speaker 2: being able to I'm not wishing time away, but sure
Speaker 2: I can feel my time not necessarily coming to an end,
Speaker 2: but starting to to switch to being able to take
Speaker 2: them and and like me, caring less about going out
Speaker 2: there and hunted deer, but like what, like you're saying,
Speaker 2: just making memories in the woods with them and seeing
Speaker 2: their you know, seeing them light up when they see
Speaker 2: their first deer, shoot their first deer.
Speaker 3: You guys haven't experienced this yet, but you know what,
Speaker 3: really what really catapults that is killing them, really the
Speaker 3: biggest deer you have ever killed in your life, which
Speaker 3: I just so happy.
Speaker 1: To do this past years.
Speaker 3: Let's never no, don't everybody knows. That's why you don't
Speaker 3: have That's why there's no That's why you don't listen
Speaker 3: to this podcast where I thought I showed you this,
Speaker 3: We've written since I was That's why I was freezer
Speaker 3: space at Alex's because getting four mounts of what was
Speaker 3: the acreage of like what was the It's like Brutus's pen,
Speaker 3: you know, you know at the at the b M
Speaker 3: I s or somewhere. I saw a guy and he
Speaker 3: was like, hey man, there's a rumor that deer was
Speaker 3: high going around town, and I was like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he wasn't next to it when I showed it.
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't that. It's not in the picture. I
Speaker 3: showed you this. Have you got to experience that deer
Speaker 3: hunt with your boys yet?
Speaker 1: Have they? No? I haven't. It's it's my fault. But
Speaker 1: I just need to make the time to do one
Speaker 1: of the things. I mean, you can't guarantee it perfect
Speaker 1: hunt first time, but I also don't. I don't want
Speaker 1: to go out multiple times at first and sit for
Speaker 1: three hours and see nothing. So I'm trying to, yeah,
Speaker 1: figure out you know what I'm saying. I know exactly
Speaker 1: what you're saying, and it'll be it'll be with a
Speaker 1: gun first time.
Speaker 2: But just because my dad almost roomed me on turkey hunting,
Speaker 2: because I.
Speaker 3: Can tell the story. So we were hunting. I was
Speaker 3: hunting with my brother in law and he was hunting
Speaker 3: with Dad, and he had never been turkey hunting.
Speaker 2: Before, and we got into turkey. We got into turkey
Speaker 2: hunting later in life. Like we didn't turkey hunt when
Speaker 2: I was growing up.
Speaker 1: My dad didn't.
Speaker 2: My dad fished offspring, That's what he did and then
Speaker 2: when I was in high school is when he started
Speaker 2: turkey hunting.
Speaker 3: Maybe late middle school, Yeah, because I was in high
Speaker 3: school when I started tking, so late fifteen. I couldn't drive,
Speaker 3: I know that, So late middle school he started turkey
Speaker 3: hunting and he killed one. He he felt it, he
Speaker 3: saw it, like, experienced the fly down, experienced the gobble
Speaker 3: in his face, shot the turkey, and he was hooked. Bro.
Speaker 2: He was going every day, and so we didn't get it.
Speaker 2: I didn't come my first turkey till I was and
Speaker 2: I think I was in high school, like late little
Speaker 2: middle school.
Speaker 3: But yeah, go ahead. But Dad has a tendency to
Speaker 3: like really hook it. And where we're hunting, well, he
Speaker 3: was so obsessed. He was so obsessed with it. It's
Speaker 3: super suit. And I don't mean like West, I mean
Speaker 3: like Hilly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so me and Jason, my brother in law, had
Speaker 3: hunted slow that morning and got on a turkey and
Speaker 3: gotten real close to killing it.
Speaker 1: Just had a great morning.
Speaker 3: Watch the sun come up, just easy, and we finally
Speaker 3: meet up with reading Dad. Reid has all his camera off,
Speaker 3: fogus bro and is walking in a cutoff T shirt
Speaker 3: with his arms over. He had has gone across his
Speaker 3: back and his arms.
Speaker 1: He was walking under.
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm never doing this again. I was like, Dad,
Speaker 3: what did you do? Man?
Speaker 1: He's like, well, I just figured over the next ridge
Speaker 1: we'd hear.
Speaker 3: One, know, one of those non goblins. That's where walked
Speaker 3: him silly. It was like ninny, I got down. I
Speaker 3: got down to the bottom. Dan and my brother in
Speaker 3: lawers and I was like, well, y'all been doing you'll
Speaker 3: been y'all been hiking these hills and they're like, no,
Speaker 3: we've been napping naps. Yeah, heck of a day. Here's
Speaker 3: that little tiny deer that changed my life. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: I showed you that, dude. I know I did two eleven,
Speaker 3: but who's counting? You know where?
Speaker 1: What where? Iowa? That was Iowa?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah? Or Oklahoma?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could have been or you know West Tennessee, yeah,
Speaker 1: northern western Illinois. You know what did do in my head? Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Hey, tell us about the the Lna del Rey
Speaker 3: record ding.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I have to tell you, like it's kind
Speaker 1: of one of the you know, doing this job we have.
Speaker 3: Why'd you bunny use it?
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 3: Why'd you quotation it?
Speaker 1: Because? Man, it's like, how do we get to do
Speaker 1: this for a living. It's I still have to pinch myself,
Speaker 1: Like I get to go write songs like do what
Speaker 1: I was doing in my bedroom growing up and actually
Speaker 1: have a career with it. Yeah, you have all kinds
Speaker 1: of different experiences, and I tell people some of my
Speaker 1: best experiences. The song never made a dime, you know.
Speaker 1: But but as far as just wild things that happened,
Speaker 1: my wife and I were down at Laurie McKenna was
Speaker 1: playing a show down at the Country Music Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: and as one does, I was on my phone scrolling
Speaker 1: before Laurie came out, and I went into the like
Speaker 1: it's like hidden messages or request in Instagram to where
Speaker 1: it's not like your followers and most of it's spam
Speaker 1: or whatever. But there was this guy and he was like, hey, Luke,
Speaker 1: I'm Lona del Rey's manager and she was trying to
Speaker 1: get in contact with you. And I was just like, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: it's just so outside of our world. So I was
Speaker 1: like I didn't respond right away because you know, like,
Speaker 1: is this guy real? So Beth and I do a
Speaker 1: little research and like I think it actually is. So
Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah, I'd love that, and I
Speaker 1: just gave him my number. Didn't hear anything for a
Speaker 1: few days, and then one night I get a text
Speaker 1: and supposedly it's Lana and she's just like, hey, I
Speaker 1: was just wondering if you would want to get together
Speaker 1: and just talk about music or write a song or something.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I guess it's probably really her.
Speaker 1: So I was like, sure, literally.
Speaker 3: Or I might ended up getting killed by Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: exactly worth a trial.
Speaker 1: Two days later, my little cabin where I write, she
Speaker 1: rolls up in a rental truck and gets out and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's Lona del Rey. She comes in.
Speaker 1: It's just the two of us, and she was super nice,
Speaker 1: just talking about music, and she she was like, well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I was like, if you don't mind
Speaker 1: me asking why why did you reach out to me?
Speaker 1: Like I'm just curious. It's not that I don't think
Speaker 1: I can write, Like, just how would you even come
Speaker 1: across I like, was it in my work with Rodney
Speaker 1: Atkins or Klay Walker? I can't She was like the
Speaker 1: cool chip, Yeah exactly, and she you know I was.
Speaker 1: It was pretty wild because she was so familiar with
Speaker 1: like songwriters, and country music, and what she told me
Speaker 1: was like, I just had researched some different Nashville songwriters
Speaker 1: and I thought that we would connect. And I was like,
Speaker 1: that is crazy. It's just on her own and so
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I was like, So after we talked for
Speaker 1: a while and I was like, she goes, well, I
Speaker 1: do have a little couple of little things on my phone,
Speaker 1: just like her singing into her phone, and this one
Speaker 1: thing sounded like the start of a chorus. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's cool. I just picked up the guitar and we
Speaker 1: literally wrote that song. It was the first one that
Speaker 1: she released, called Henry Come On, and it was just
Speaker 1: so natural and smooth, and recorded it right there, literally
Speaker 1: just gave her one of these sm seven's. She's sitting
Speaker 1: on my couch, no headphones, no click track anything like that.
Speaker 1: We write it, record it, and I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this girl is one of the best singers I've sat
Speaker 1: in a room with, like spot on singer. There's no
Speaker 1: vocal tuning, it just is what it is. And then
Speaker 1: and that turned into this record. I sent the files
Speaker 1: to a guy she's worked with a lot in La
Speaker 1: Drew Ericson, who did the strings and stuff, and it
Speaker 1: was just like one of the most wildly, like coolest
Speaker 1: creative experiences I've had. So it went so well that
Speaker 1: first day, she I think that following week she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to stay in Nashville a little longer, and
Speaker 1: we got together like four or five more days, wrote
Speaker 1: a few more songs, and then from there she came
Speaker 1: back to Nashville several times, and so we've done quite
Speaker 1: a few songs, but like the first two have been released,
Speaker 1: and I honestly don't know what's going to happen from here.
Speaker 1: I just kind of wait to hear. But one of
Speaker 1: the coolest things was getting to go out the stage
Speaker 1: Coach because she was playing there this year, and to
Speaker 1: see to really see, you know, these songs that we
Speaker 1: did in my cabin come to life and play with
Speaker 1: a full band, and yeah, man, it's as a writer,
Speaker 1: you just never know where you're going to get to.
Speaker 1: But I just love working with the artists who are
Speaker 1: such like know who they are as an artist. They're
Speaker 1: not chasing any trend and that's totally her. Like the
Speaker 1: second she's like, I was telling Beth, I feel like
Speaker 1: she's kind of like her own genre. It's like people
Speaker 1: are like, are the songs you're doing country? And I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know. I mean, I guess they
Speaker 1: could pass for that, depending on who's singing it. But
Speaker 1: it's just they're just songs. There's songs I'm really proud of,
Speaker 1: and there's not one talk in the room of like
Speaker 1: could this be on the radio? Or you just trying
Speaker 1: to write what feels whatever she writes, Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: just so freeing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just different than what I do a lot of days.
Speaker 1: So really cool, I mean, just wild experience that I
Speaker 1: got that Instagram message and I'm like, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: And she's just so kind and like, you know, one
Speaker 1: thing I told her early on was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: someone who like stays up super late. Like I really
Speaker 1: value like my family time, so I like to put
Speaker 1: my kids to bed. And she was so cool with that.
Speaker 1: So a lot of times we'd be working and we
Speaker 1: never worked super late, but then I would go up
Speaker 1: to the house and tuck the kids in and all
Speaker 1: that and uh yeah, man, just she was so respectful
Speaker 1: and just crazy talented. That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I was going to ask you
Speaker 2: out of that same thing is like. So she didn't
Speaker 2: come in saying, hey I want to do country music.
Speaker 2: I want to do a country record.
Speaker 3: She just like, hey, I've got these No, I've got
Speaker 3: these songs, these ideas in my head.
Speaker 1: She's got these little nuggets and I just want to
Speaker 1: I just want to go at from with you. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty wild, like let's just do what feels good
Speaker 1: and see where it leads.
Speaker 3: You know who is also like that that I've written with,
Speaker 3: which is which is wild because I think he actually
Speaker 3: has a song going to country radio now. But have
Speaker 3: you written with Gavin Hadcock? Yes, dude, it is. He's
Speaker 3: one of my favorites. It's really guys just like this
Speaker 3: is what I was thinking today. This has no like
Speaker 3: radio direction. I just want to do this and this
Speaker 3: is the melody I had. And I mean I've written
Speaker 3: with him a couple times now, and and that guy's
Speaker 3: just doing what he wants to do.
Speaker 1: See this is He's another one of my favorite new
Speaker 1: because you get the sense he's not like listen to
Speaker 1: something that's like blowing up and like I gotta do
Speaker 1: something like that. It's literally his own thing and I
Speaker 1: that is compelling to me. And first time I heard
Speaker 1: his stuff, It's like, if you sit there and start
Speaker 1: judging it from like as a music row songwriter who's
Speaker 1: been doing this for years, you must say I would
Speaker 1: have done. But there's something compelling. And I think the
Speaker 1: older I get, the more I'm kind of in tune
Speaker 1: with that. Like I can't put a finger on why
Speaker 1: I like this because I probably wouldn't even have written
Speaker 1: that idea like that, But why do I want to
Speaker 1: go back and listen again? Or why when when he
Speaker 1: sings the first line of a song, I'm curious to
Speaker 1: see what happens. It's not like in my head I
Speaker 1: go through all the scenarios and I know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And that dude, I will tell you something. I just
Speaker 1: went to his show in Nashville. Yeah unreal. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they dude. It's it's like a movement my experience.
Speaker 3: Why is unreal?
Speaker 1: Like the crowd, I mean just so passionate, just screaming
Speaker 1: every word. And this is a who hasn't had a
Speaker 1: radio hit, which for a while, we know things have,
Speaker 1: you know, It's that that's totally changed, and it's exciting
Speaker 1: because all of a sudden, when I go in with
Speaker 1: a new artist, and that it's not the thinking of, hey,
Speaker 1: I got to write them a radio single. It's like,
Speaker 1: let's write something awesome that you love and you know
Speaker 1: it could turn into a radio single. But I just
Speaker 1: want to work with artists like that who aren't chasing anything.
Speaker 1: They're doing their own thing. He works as producer, is
Speaker 1: a guy in Athens who they've just been making this
Speaker 1: music and it's very exciting.
Speaker 2: I would venture to say that's one of the only
Speaker 2: pros to social media and TikTok and these artists that
Speaker 2: are coming out sure is that it has come to
Speaker 2: a point where you they don't have to say what
Speaker 2: you have to say to get on country radio anymore.
Speaker 2: You know, like they don't have to conform to this
Speaker 2: town or the radio or that type of music. They
Speaker 2: can literally, like Gavin, you know, like these other cats,
Speaker 2: they can literally just go in there and write songs
Speaker 2: that they love, stories of their lives and sell out shows.
Speaker 2: I mean, and they're making so much money on the
Speaker 2: road that it doesn't you don't need radio.
Speaker 3: Any songs don't need it, right, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, he did just send a song to radio, but
Speaker 1: and I hope it does great. But literally, if it
Speaker 1: died tomorrow. It's not going to affect his following one bit.
Speaker 1: He doesn't care either. Yeah, I'm telling you right now.
Speaker 3: I mean when we wrote that day, he was like, man,
Speaker 3: I'm sending this thing to radio, and just when they
Speaker 3: think they got me cornered, I want to hit him
Speaker 3: with something else like this. And he started playing this
Speaker 3: thing and that's what we wrote. And I don't even
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm he's been playing it. It's called on
Speaker 3: one and.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and did you guys write that with Rhett?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and put the F word in the corner.
Speaker 1: I'm going to send you. I took a video of
Speaker 1: him doing that the other night. Yeah, but I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that you were on I Love It's so good man.
Speaker 3: It's wild. Yeah, it's wild. He's just you know that.
Speaker 3: So the way that the song came about is he
Speaker 3: had this melody. It was kind of like a he
Speaker 3: kind of felt nirvanash honestly when he played it, and
Speaker 3: me and Rep both like, man, that feels like Nirvana.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So we already knew we were out of the box
Speaker 3: before we ever even started. And I said, well, man,
Speaker 3: my wife last night, I said, and he usually he has,
Speaker 3: and he did have some ideas. I said, do just
Speaker 3: I'm just throwing this out there. You don't have to
Speaker 3: take it whatever, but it kind of makes sense for
Speaker 3: what you're doing. My two ways now three Happy birthday, Boon.
Speaker 3: It's like he's wild man right now.
Speaker 1: He's wild.
Speaker 3: He wants to be outside. He don't want any clothes on.
Speaker 3: He wants to start fire and throw rocks at donkeys
Speaker 3: like he and run his forward into bar wires.
Speaker 1: He's just wild at donkey donkey.
Speaker 3: So, uh, yes, one donkey. It's not mine child, So
Speaker 3: is it worse rocks another person's don't? So yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 3: It's a donkey. So he's just wild, yes, a wild guy,
Speaker 3: you know. And so it had been on the day before,
Speaker 3: had been long and I got back and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll glad you're home.
Speaker 1: I was like, what's up? What do I need to do?
Speaker 1: Who do I need to what I need to fix?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And she's like, Boon has been on one And I
Speaker 3: was like okay, and I just put it in my phone.
Speaker 3: I just put on one on my phone and uh
Speaker 3: I was telling him that story and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what we're doing.
Speaker 1: Today baby, and you know one and it's great. You know,
Speaker 1: he's the one of the best.
Speaker 3: And so we just we just decided we were gonna
Speaker 3: not even you know, it's like we gave each other.
Speaker 1: They're like, okay, we know what we're that. We're not
Speaker 1: doing this. We are doing this.
Speaker 3: You gotta and when you're doing this, you got to
Speaker 3: go all the way. Yeah, you can't try to have
Speaker 3: one foot in the radio world, this world.
Speaker 1: You gotta go.
Speaker 2: You also too, got like with these new guys, because
Speaker 2: there a lot of them are so young, you got
Speaker 2: to let them drive, man, and that that's hard.
Speaker 3: It's hard to let them drive sometimes. Well to your point,
Speaker 3: and you said it way better then I'll say it.
Speaker 3: But like, as an experienced writer, we see these things
Speaker 3: that are catching fire fast and we go, well, this
Speaker 3: is wrong with that, This is wrong with that, this
Speaker 3: is wrong with that, and this is wrong with that
Speaker 3: from our framework of art that we've constructed over however
Speaker 3: long you've been constructing your art world. Mine would be
Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty years, And you go, what doesn't align
Speaker 3: with that? So because of that, something about it's wrong
Speaker 3: when in reality they're doing they're creating this movement without
Speaker 3: the help of us, for real, without the help of
Speaker 3: Nashville in their own unique way and only the way
Speaker 3: that they can do it. And dude, if you and
Speaker 3: maybe I'm giving up some secrets here, but it's like
Speaker 3: it to me as an experienced writer, like you said,
Speaker 3: it's like you start going, Okay, I don't need to
Speaker 3: fix this, Yeah, I just if I can be at
Speaker 3: a place where I can help him convey what he's
Speaker 3: already doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where I need to be. That's it. There
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be any of my influence on this
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna mess that up. Yeah. I mean, I
Speaker 1: tell people all the time, a huge majority of any
Speaker 1: success I've had in writing songs is just being a
Speaker 1: good listener, totally, like and when you're you know, in
Speaker 1: my case, when I'm in there with artists, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: writing for their record, not mine. So you have to
Speaker 1: pay attention to what an artist responds to, what they
Speaker 1: get excited about, and roll with that, just like you're saying,
Speaker 1: Because that's the whole deal. Because I've told people before,
Speaker 1: you could go in a room and write, you know,
Speaker 1: he stopped loving her today or whatever. Songs of the year.
Speaker 1: I hope you dance with someone and if they don't
Speaker 1: feel connected to it a part of it, they're gonna
Speaker 1: they're not gonna do it.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, it's like.
Speaker 1: It's it's not about me, like as a co writer,
Speaker 1: as a collaborator, Like if I want to make my
Speaker 1: own record, then yeah, I can do it exactly how
Speaker 1: But I've learned so much from that because I've been
Speaker 1: a part of songs that no way what I've come
Speaker 1: up with on my own. I mean literally just the
Speaker 1: last two artists we talked about, Lona del Rey and
Speaker 1: Gavin Adcock. I mean there's those songs are so different
Speaker 1: that I was a part of. But it's because I'm
Speaker 1: following their artistry and then like, oh this is fun.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what keeps me excited to do this
Speaker 1: every day. I don't want to do the same thing
Speaker 1: every day, like and I want to learn from and
Speaker 1: and like you said, you learn from the new new
Speaker 1: people just as much as you learn from the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame thousand percent every day.
Speaker 2: I'm especially ones that are that are in their own
Speaker 2: like in their own box for shure and their thing.
Speaker 2: They're not they're not trying to do what the town's
Speaker 2: already done. That's so true when there's a lot of
Speaker 2: them that are you know exactly. I think that's an
Speaker 2: important thing to realize and to understand moving moving forward
Speaker 2: as a writer, And if if I could give some
Speaker 2: advice to any pursuing young cats out there, it's like,
Speaker 2: I feel like I probably no, I don't feel like
Speaker 2: I know for a fact, I probably missed out on
Speaker 2: some relationships that that would have been fruitful monetarily as
Speaker 2: well as, like you know, to yourself, because I was
Speaker 2: so determined to voice or to influence the song with
Speaker 2: what I had to say, when in reality I probably
Speaker 2: should have just like laid back and like, I mean.
Speaker 3: That's part of the learning curve, I it is part of.
Speaker 1: It's being confident enough to not have to say anything.
Speaker 3: Do you have any relationships you think you messed up
Speaker 3: over the years?
Speaker 1: I have one prime.
Speaker 3: Oh I know somebody that hates you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm Taylor Swift. What do you miss that?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: I wrote with her once and then didn't pursue it.
Speaker 3: Bether says the same thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of people did. It's not that
Speaker 1: I didn't think she was gooder, I just you know
Speaker 1: who knows. There's so many artists and.
Speaker 3: Fg O, mine's f Gail. I'll just so you're not
Speaker 3: by yourself. I messed that up completely. They knew who
Speaker 3: they were, and I was trying to do a thing
Speaker 3: and it was I should have just show Mine's Boys
Speaker 3: to Men. I wrote with one of them one time.
Speaker 3: He never called me back.
Speaker 2: He was good, Yeah, we wrote a boys man Sean
Speaker 2: stock Stockman actually texting another day. I was like, hey, dude,
Speaker 2: my my daughter loves watching your baby back Ribs commercial.
Speaker 3: He was like, oh, we had so much fun right now.
Speaker 3: Out of all the ones, I would love to write
Speaker 3: with Boys to Men, Yeah, well we did a country thing.
Speaker 1: Was cool. There probably are like, like you said, they
Speaker 1: may not have told me, hey, I hate that guy.
Speaker 1: I don't want to write with them again. Nobody has
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like you know part of
Speaker 1: my what I always tell like some of our new
Speaker 1: writers or whatever. If you get an opportunity with like
Speaker 1: a big writer or an artist, so much of that
Speaker 1: first time with someone is you want them to leave
Speaker 1: the room having had a good experience, even if that
Speaker 1: song or not, because it can it's a long game
Speaker 1: for it. So don't be bummed if you leave, you're like,
Speaker 1: dang it, we didn't write the first single. It's like,
Speaker 1: if that artist is excited leaving there and they think
Speaker 1: that guy was pretty cool, I could hang with him again.
Speaker 1: It's will get you so much further than being like
Speaker 1: coming and I have this hit. Course, I know if
Speaker 1: they do it like no doubt, be a good hang it.
Speaker 1: So much of it we do think about it because
Speaker 1: we all know crazy talented people that artists don't want
Speaker 1: to work with because it's just not fun. And there's
Speaker 1: too many talented people in Nashville and they don't have to.
Speaker 3: They don't have they're not going to surround themselves with
Speaker 3: people that they don't like being around.
Speaker 1: Literally, if I check out tomorrow, this town will not
Speaker 1: miss a beat.
Speaker 3: I say the same thing. If I took off, nobody
Speaker 3: would even know I was going. Well maybe Tom Luteran,
Speaker 3: but other than that way, he don't care anymoe. It
Speaker 3: would just roll, roll, roll, more songs, more artists. Is
Speaker 3: a turnover thing, like and I think that's nice. That's
Speaker 3: a nice humbling thing to know. Is it's like, ultimately
Speaker 3: nobody holds the no the key to this town it's
Speaker 3: a million little keys that you.
Speaker 1: Are the key to this town. The key to this
Speaker 1: town is Luke lin getting a day with Luke Liab.
Speaker 3: He's got the key.
Speaker 1: He got a million number ones.
Speaker 3: He's so rich as ridiculously you only start at his
Speaker 3: own publishing coming there. He's going to Turkey for hair transplants.
Speaker 1: That would be that's where they do the hair. That's
Speaker 1: like the hair thing. We could talk about male pattern baldness.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I'm ripping on that today.
Speaker 1: No, I I mean, I'll be honest. I do wish
Speaker 1: I still had hair, but not enough to fly to Turkey.
Speaker 2: And hey, I'll say this, out of all the ball guys,
Speaker 2: I know you look the most natural. It looks the
Speaker 2: best on you.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm serious about that.
Speaker 1: Plus, I think that's.
Speaker 3: Why Linadell Ray got in touch with you. Honest well, yeah,
Speaker 3: she looks good.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it is pretty low maintenance. I will say,
Speaker 1: I don't understand why I'm bald.
Speaker 3: I've done this before. People get mad at me for
Speaker 3: doing this. I think Luke we did with Luke. But
Speaker 3: like I think it's more of a thing that you
Speaker 3: guys think, like nobody else thinks about it, Yeah, like
Speaker 3: it's a self and I think what's unfair about it
Speaker 3: is I think that the I think that the world,
Speaker 3: the media, people who want to make money off of
Speaker 3: it make it like a thing.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure.
Speaker 3: How many times have you thought about him being bald?
Speaker 1: Not once? I get targeted as like attacking my confidence,
Speaker 1: stuff like I'm totally fine with my dad was bald
Speaker 1: and he It's not like you have to pick your
Speaker 1: parents either. It's not like I like, it's it's fun.
Speaker 1: Who cares? I Do people care? Girls, Jordan? People do
Speaker 1: you care? I mean, if you're eighteen, maybe ye? Would
Speaker 1: you agree enough?
Speaker 3: If I went bald tomorrow? If my hairline too, I
Speaker 3: don't know, if disappeared my hairline.
Speaker 1: Creek was starting right. Who's saying that? Would you know?
Speaker 3: He mean, it's not even the right words. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: Jordan knows, who is it? Random guy who's singing that,
Speaker 3: what's your name? New guy Rady who sang that Cole,
Speaker 3: good to see Cole, thanks for coming hand with He
Speaker 3: doesn't have the answer, Josh, that's where we're at, that
Speaker 3: old skinnered?
Speaker 1: Yeah, hell we're skinnered. Yeah. All of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: was second guess in this free bird geez.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's not it's it's not you guys fault.
Speaker 3: You guys are bald. But I'm just saying I wish,
Speaker 3: I wish the world would layoff ball guys.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 3: It really isn't a I wish bald guys wouldn't care
Speaker 3: live without the anxiety that they're.
Speaker 2: I It starts with ball guys. Ball guys have got
Speaker 2: to be okay it absolutely I think you should start
Speaker 2: a club, dude, Dude on that baldness, yeah, dude, own yeah,
Speaker 2: no hair layer, dude.
Speaker 3: H are you still in seminary?
Speaker 1: Man? I graduate next week. Come on, man, yeah, give
Speaker 1: me a preacher now.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Man, it's a wild thing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: People are like you're doing seminary. I you know, I
Speaker 1: was not a great student in school. And if you
Speaker 1: would have told me twenty years ago, you know what
Speaker 1: you're gonna You're going to have a job that's great
Speaker 1: and you're gonna choose to go back to school and
Speaker 1: get a degree, I would have been like what and
Speaker 1: then especially a seminary degree or like no way. But man,
Speaker 1: it's wild how God works because like five years ago,
Speaker 1: like kind of in my morning quiet time. I was
Speaker 1: just praying, like a short prayer is just like God,
Speaker 1: I want to know you. And I was always not always,
Speaker 1: but in adulthood kind of interested in theology and always
Speaker 1: kind of been a deep thinker. And this is where
Speaker 1: it led me to.
Speaker 3: I was I was.
Speaker 1: One of the guys that in my kids school, we'd
Speaker 1: have these kind of deep discussions. And he's like, man,
Speaker 1: have you ever considered seminary? And I was like, who's he.
Speaker 1: Who's Oh, his name's David Philson.
Speaker 3: May see work at your school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he works in kids at school. Yeah, brilliant guy.
Speaker 1: He's he's also a pastor. But he was like, I go, man,
Speaker 1: I do I do not feel any calling to be
Speaker 1: a pastor at a church. I was like, I love
Speaker 1: my job. He's like, no, Like with this online degree
Speaker 1: and the school is out of Philadelphia called Westminster Theological Seminary.
Speaker 1: He's like, it's for people like yourself and all different
Speaker 1: occupations who just want to, you know, go deeper. And
Speaker 1: and it's it's been amazing.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: You know the coolest thing about it is not that
Speaker 1: I love writing papers. That part's but my time in
Speaker 1: my studies. It's like just constantly thinking about God and
Speaker 1: like sending you deeper into scripture and just really, I
Speaker 1: guess one way to put it is like through this
Speaker 1: whole process, it's like made God just so much bigger. Wow,
Speaker 1: not he's already bigger, but like my awareness of and
Speaker 1: you know, with what I do, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: faith that comes into play of just like us going
Speaker 1: into a room creating something out of nothing. That takes
Speaker 1: a lot of faith because just like I mean, I
Speaker 1: pray all the time, all the time, just God, give
Speaker 1: me creativity, help me to represent you.
Speaker 3: Well do you think that's different than God, get me
Speaker 3: through this?
Speaker 1: Because I pray that all it's all man, we all
Speaker 1: have need whether we know it or not, min is God.
Speaker 3: It just ended, all right, can you just come on?
Speaker 1: God give me that single? I pray that it's wild.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just finished. I'm not going to be
Speaker 1: walking the graduation because we're going on a family trip.
Speaker 3: But thing out of came.
Speaker 1: It's just it's one of those people like what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do with that? Like I don't have like
Speaker 1: this planet? What am I? You know, hopefully it's it's
Speaker 1: got me closer to you know, grown me closer to
Speaker 1: God and my awareness of how small I am.
Speaker 2: So that was the sole reason of doing Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: it's it's really interesting to me too, because like childlike
Speaker 2: faith is easy, right, Like it's it's easy to just
Speaker 2: to the Sunday School stories and the color and books
Speaker 2: and as a child, that's that's all you think about.
Speaker 2: That's how you think of gods as in like animation almost,
Speaker 2: but like it's just like with anything else, I think
Speaker 2: I'm at a point in my life right now where
Speaker 2: I'm trying to learn about the history of the world
Speaker 2: literally like wars and World War two and and and
Speaker 2: and these things, and it's I'm finding myself as as
Speaker 2: like my relationship with with God matures that I don't
Speaker 2: know enough about the Bible and I don't know just
Speaker 2: like I don't know enough about the history of our
Speaker 2: country or the world.
Speaker 3: And I find myself like, how how do you do that?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And and that makes a lot of sense, Like in
Speaker 2: those terms, is like you're just deepening the well of
Speaker 2: understanding the Bible and the whole the Gospel and the
Speaker 2: whole the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's every morning I have to I heard a
Speaker 1: preacher say this once, but It's like you got to
Speaker 1: preach the Gospel to yourself every morning, because if I
Speaker 1: start the day, you know, diving into what do I
Speaker 1: gotta do today, and you know, thinking about work stuff
Speaker 1: or whatever, I have to start today with what is true?
Speaker 1: I literally write it in my journal, what is true?
Speaker 1: Like in the deepest sense, you know. Man, some days
Speaker 1: the answers are different, but it's always true. Like God is,
Speaker 1: God is sovereign, He's in control of all of this.
Speaker 1: I'm flawed, I'm a sinner and I need God, you know.
Speaker 1: And when I start with that grounding, everything else kind
Speaker 1: of falls into place. You don't put such a The
Speaker 1: way I've said it said it before is my faith
Speaker 1: really helps me to not ride the highs too high
Speaker 1: and the lows too low, and so much like just
Speaker 1: in what we do, you know, it's there's some real
Speaker 1: highs and yeah, and so you know, knowing who I
Speaker 1: am and like this this thing that we do songwriter
Speaker 1: or whatever, like it's just what I do. It's not
Speaker 1: who I am like in the in the big scheme,
Speaker 1: you know. And so if I never get another cut tomorrow,
Speaker 1: it's not going to crush me. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: want that to happen. But also if I have ten
Speaker 1: Austin hear that doesn't want any more cuts. So if
Speaker 1: I have like, you know, ten hits this next year,
Speaker 1: it's not going to like we're like, man, I really
Speaker 1: think I'm the man, or that whole fear of like
Speaker 1: what if it goes away? Because I've done this long
Speaker 1: enough and I'm so grateful you know, back whatever, ten
Speaker 1: plus probably longer now when I had probably my most
Speaker 1: hits at one time. It's at that time and I
Speaker 1: remember another writer asked me what I mean, what are
Speaker 1: you going to do when it goes away? And I
Speaker 1: just remember in that moment, like what's going away? I mean,
Speaker 1: we know Hall of Fame writers nothing to do with
Speaker 1: their talent. It's just it doesn't it doesn't happen, it
Speaker 1: doesn't last forever. And so if with my faith it
Speaker 1: helps me really enjoy those moments but also not get
Speaker 1: so wrapped up in it to where it like becomes
Speaker 1: my identity or I think, gosh, if it goes away,
Speaker 1: then what you know, how are people going to look
Speaker 1: at me? It's like no, it's like this is all
Speaker 1: it's all a gift, like the fact that we I've
Speaker 1: said it before, like without a creativity, Without a creator,
Speaker 1: there's no creativity. I mean, the only reason we can
Speaker 1: put pen to paper and come up with these things
Speaker 1: is because we have a creator. It's not us doing it.
Speaker 1: So if I keep that in perspective, it takes the
Speaker 1: pressure off. It's not like I got to come up
Speaker 1: with it. It's like, well, some days it's gonna flow,
Speaker 1: some days it's not. But it just helps you enjoy
Speaker 1: it more.
Speaker 2: What a sword to have in the sheath in this
Speaker 2: music industry too, man, because like it is a it
Speaker 2: can it can be. It can be the devil's playground,
Speaker 2: man for sure, especially with like guys like us and
Speaker 2: and other songwriters who are so mental in the first place,
Speaker 2: like are so you know, we're already adhd most of us.
Speaker 2: We already deal with anxiety and like it's always not enough,
Speaker 2: it's it's always if I can have another one. And
Speaker 2: and I hate feeling like that. And I'd be lying
Speaker 2: if I said I didn't feel like that sometimes. But
Speaker 2: like to start your day and to start every day
Speaker 2: going this is what I do this and not who
Speaker 2: I am, none of this really matters.
Speaker 3: But I actually have a question about that. So I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm with you, and I know we're running over, But
Speaker 3: who cares?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Who cares?
Speaker 1: Y'all got stuff to do? Okay? Uh? How do you?
Speaker 1: I have a two part question. One is.
Speaker 3: I hear people talk about that. I hear people talk
Speaker 3: about starting their day in in the in the word,
Speaker 3: or either starting their day and like some having some
Speaker 3: quiet time. I start my day usually by getting kicked
Speaker 3: in the nuts by my kids. Yeah, literally, like they're
Speaker 3: jumping on me. So so where and I'm not I
Speaker 3: don't mean this to like make this by myself, but where?
Speaker 3: How do you find the time to be Nothing in
Speaker 3: my life is consistent other than the fact that I
Speaker 3: try to kiss my wife before I leave, and I
Speaker 3: write songs pretty much, and I try to eat a
Speaker 3: lot of protein and nine sweets. Other than that important,
Speaker 3: I don't brush my teeth as much. I might not
Speaker 3: take a shower that day. It could go It could
Speaker 3: go either way. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. How
Speaker 3: do you find the time to be consistent? Not then consistent?
Speaker 3: If I had the time, I don't think I could
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 1: And I go to the gym.
Speaker 3: You can make time there, I will say, you're dedicated.
Speaker 1: I'm fortunate because I am a morning person, so like
Speaker 1: it's super easy for me to get up early. No,
Speaker 1: I will say, Mike, like five five thirty, I just
Speaker 1: wake up. I don't say an alarm or anything. That's
Speaker 1: why I fall asleep when and and and I am
Speaker 1: definitely a creature of habit. The more routine I can have,
Speaker 1: the better, And like you say, with with our writing thing,
Speaker 1: that's just you know, it's just not a nine to
Speaker 1: five thing. You never know. So when when my kids
Speaker 1: were small, it was a lot harder. And there's days
Speaker 1: where you just wake up and you're just in the day.
Speaker 1: And but's what I feel. But I noticed throughout the
Speaker 1: day that anxiousness is like I haven't like grounded myself
Speaker 1: and what's true. And so sometimes I literally just have
Speaker 1: to go in to the bathroom or somewhere and just
Speaker 1: shut the door and I just pray and don't have
Speaker 1: to be this long, drawn drawing out thing. But it's
Speaker 1: just or in the car when I can, when it
Speaker 1: can be quiet, and and it's just like God, I
Speaker 1: need you. I don't even know sometimes have the words
Speaker 1: for what the prayer is. And by the way, when
Speaker 1: I say this, it's not like all of a sudden
Speaker 1: every time. And there's days and look, I think like
Speaker 1: probably most people with what we do, going back to
Speaker 1: like songs, like there's days where I'll be on social
Speaker 1: media and I'll see whatever so and so got the single,
Speaker 1: and there's that little thing in there. It's like not
Speaker 1: that I'm e mad at that person, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you start, you start going down the dark path of
Speaker 1: like I mean the sorrow song, that song we were, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was, I mean, listen, I have all those thoughts,
Speaker 1: but that's it's not good to live in that cycle
Speaker 1: on a consistent basis. And that's where the faith comes
Speaker 1: in because it puts everything in perspective. That stuff is.
Speaker 1: You know, it's such a small little thing compared to
Speaker 1: what I think a lot about sitting on my porch
Speaker 1: one day when I'm eighty, if I make it that long,
Speaker 1: and what am I going to be sitting there thinking about?
Speaker 1: Is it going to be I didn't get the third
Speaker 1: single on whoever? It's like no, It's like how are
Speaker 1: my kids seeing me? Yeah? Do my job handle success?
Speaker 1: Handle failure? Am I loving my wife? Well? Are they
Speaker 1: do they think I put work before that? Like I'm
Speaker 1: grateful that you know that I've taken time that God's
Speaker 1: given me the time to really to really contemplate, and
Speaker 1: I think like it most feels like now you're more
Speaker 1: than ever with with the phones and everything. People just
Speaker 1: in our culture in general don't don't ever even contemplate,
Speaker 1: sit there and really think about the deep things in
Speaker 1: life or where is this all headed? You know? Again,
Speaker 1: my disposition is probably someone who's more prone to do
Speaker 1: that than some people, but I've seen just amazing benefits
Speaker 1: from it.
Speaker 3: Okay, the other part of my question, how do you
Speaker 3: feel like? Okay, so obviously within the last however many
Speaker 3: years you've been in this theology class or school trying
Speaker 3: to get your getting your degree, do you feel can
Speaker 3: you give me an example of I guess that's kind
Speaker 3: of what I'm looking for. How you're how you feel
Speaker 3: like your awareness has spread from what you knew to
Speaker 3: what you know now as far as like actually putting
Speaker 3: that into action and feeling Is that clear question?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Is it? What I'm saying is, do you feel like
Speaker 3: you are recognizing things now like opportunities given from God
Speaker 3: that you were missing before you knew?
Speaker 1: All this that you know. Now, yeah, you know, boys,
Speaker 1: it's hard.
Speaker 3: Does more education equal more awareness, like being more in tune?
Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1: More education not not necessarily? I mean, look, I think
Speaker 1: that especially in the Christian faith, you don't have to
Speaker 1: be a theologian, you don't, you know, like you were
Speaker 1: talking about childlike faith. So sometimes having more knowledge and
Speaker 1: knowing all the right answers, there's a lot of really
Speaker 1: smart people and who actually have all the right answers
Speaker 1: but don't know God. Because the whole deal is recognizing
Speaker 1: our need and a lot of times knowledge, you know,
Speaker 1: they say, like knowledge puffs up. And I've actually prayed
Speaker 1: for that going through this course because I mean, even
Speaker 1: leary to tell someone like I'm in seminary, because sometimes
Speaker 1: immediately people look at you like, wow, he really knows
Speaker 1: a lot, Like I don't. Like the great thing about this, Yes,
Speaker 1: probably in a lot of ways, I know some things more,
Speaker 1: but it's really shown me how little I don't know.
Speaker 1: And like the mind of man is not the mind
Speaker 1: of God. So there's certain things, you know, we want
Speaker 1: to people that know the Bible inside and out, know
Speaker 1: Greek and Hebrew. You'll never discover the depths of what
Speaker 1: God thinks. But what is really clear is that we
Speaker 1: need him. And one of the hardest things for man,
Speaker 1: for us is to recognize our need. You know, we
Speaker 1: want to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps. And it's
Speaker 1: just the thing that these courts have done from where
Speaker 1: is just continually reminded me. And this can sound bad,
Speaker 1: but like reminded me how bad I am and what
Speaker 1: I mean in that sense of like what we would
Speaker 1: say is sinful, like whether it's someone out killing someone
Speaker 1: or just thoughts we have. You know, you think of
Speaker 1: different thoughts you have on a daily babyis or I
Speaker 1: may see someone and just have a thought that's not
Speaker 1: that is not compatible with their flourishing, like or just
Speaker 1: even making a snarky remark. I'm more aware of those
Speaker 1: things now and recognize, gosh dang, how much I do
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But it doesn't crush me because it's
Speaker 1: just it just keeps pointing me back how much I
Speaker 1: need Jesus. Wow. And so it's a it's a continual
Speaker 1: it's it's been so freeing in the sense it's like, man, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty messed up, dude. But I also when when
Speaker 1: I tell people I have a seminary degree. I want
Speaker 1: them to think like, oh, he's he knows God better
Speaker 1: than I do or something. It's like, no, man, I
Speaker 1: need I need God. And we may have talked about
Speaker 1: last time, but when I got sober, that was one
Speaker 1: of the first moments It's like, holy crap, I've got
Speaker 1: serious need and there's nothing I can do, no program
Speaker 1: or anything that's going to get me out of this.
Speaker 1: It's only by the grace of God.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 1: As I've grown, I do feel like I'm more in
Speaker 1: touch with that. But I'm also more in touch with man,
Speaker 1: just how messed up I am. It's all good stuff, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you needed that stuff.
Speaker 3: Talk about that forever preach.
Speaker 1: Yeah amen.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I think I think that's a great segue into wach
Speaker 2: mad no uh gravorite song. And I want to do
Speaker 2: it a little different today. Man, that we had this
Speaker 2: same conversation kind of the first time we wrote and
Speaker 2: ended up writing a song that kind of played into this, right,
Speaker 2: like like figuring out what.
Speaker 3: I have no idea, what do we write? What it
Speaker 3: ain't about? Oh yeah, can you play it?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, dude, don't don't ask me give me.
Speaker 3: A somethund.
Speaker 1: Please. You guys bound them. Oh yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: probably what that sounds great. Yeah, if you can, is
Speaker 1: that it. I'm gonna just listen and and join.
Speaker 3: Oh man, come on, tell me I got the lyrics.
Speaker 3: I bet I need lyrics. I think I could probably
Speaker 3: get through it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: This is a song that me and Dan and Luke wrote.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it was the first time we had we had written.
Speaker 2: And we went over to Luke's cabin and and I
Speaker 2: think this idea just kind of came out of conversation
Speaker 2: and we started just talking about what life is about.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, started out well.
Speaker 1: The next started Just so you listeners know, I mean
Speaker 1: you probably know this. These guys are two incredible songwriters.
Speaker 1: I love writing with people like this too, because you do.
Speaker 1: When we get in the room, we talk about real
Speaker 1: stuff and I just love it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: You guys are so good.
Speaker 2: Well, these are And this is the type of day
Speaker 2: that we talk about. The thank you for saying that, Yes,
Speaker 2: thank you. It doesn't it doesn't feel like work. It
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like those days you want to end like
Speaker 2: you you You'll have plenty of them, man, And it's
Speaker 2: part of the gig right, it's part of what you're
Speaker 2: signing up for, and if you expect not to have them,
Speaker 2: then you're in for a rude awakening. But there are
Speaker 2: there are days that come along like this where it's
Speaker 2: it's just good to get in a room and just
Speaker 2: hash it out, man, talk about life and talk about
Speaker 2: struggles and highs and lows and God and Jesus and
Speaker 2: the music industry, and maybe something like this comes out
Speaker 2: and we noticed it and thank God for giving us.
Speaker 1: His tune hadn't been hadn't been cut yet, but I
Speaker 1: think it happens here in idea.
Speaker 3: Thanks the money, same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just write that thing out that middle.
Speaker 3: But I got my own ready, started out with the
Speaker 3: next grind, a name to me, a mountain to climb,
Speaker 3: a hell, ben point to prove, burning it down in.
Speaker 1: A cowboy boots.
Speaker 3: The nights were long, and the drinks for cheap, and
Speaker 3: now I was getting good and living from me. It
Speaker 3: turns out wild and free, loss it shine when there's
Speaker 3: babies to feed.
Speaker 1: You think it's the money. You think it's the fing.
Speaker 3: You think it's the house on the hell that'll fill
Speaker 3: that empty space to one day you're smiling at the
Speaker 3: pictures on your fridge in the kitchen, telling God, I
Speaker 3: get it now. Yeah, the thing about it, I fish.
Speaker 3: You don't start living til you finally figure out what
Speaker 3: it ain't a bad.
Speaker 1: Let's go second verse, let's do it, okay, Come on,
Speaker 1: it's the.
Speaker 3: Tears in the rise when you gave her that rank.
Speaker 3: It's Grandpaul talks on the front porch swing. It's a
Speaker 3: drive back home when it's been too long, kitchen up
Speaker 3: with a long lost friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, buddy, how you been.
Speaker 3: Come on? You think it's some morning. You think it's
Speaker 3: the fing You think it's the house on the hill.
Speaker 3: That'll feel that inmpty space till one day you're smiling
Speaker 3: at the pictures on the fridge in the kitchen, telling God,
Speaker 3: I get in there calls a thing about Lifeish. You
Speaker 3: don't start living till you finally figure around what it
Speaker 3: ain't a bad.
Speaker 1: Good one, dude, good one.
Speaker 2: Man, that's a good one. And now I just feel
Speaker 2: like that fits into into that that conversation about.
Speaker 1: Dude, come on, why does no one cut that?
Speaker 3: Probably because we messed the bridge up. Remember, we gotta
Speaker 3: fix that, we did, Yeah, we gotta fix it, fix
Speaker 3: it tomorrow. Oh perfect, Okay, then we're righting other one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: thanks for telling us that. Now, remember you said that
Speaker 3: you said that in the text. We're texting about the bridge,
Speaker 3: and you said, I feel like we've already said this.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah that's all right.
Speaker 3: Oh you guys didn't reply and it didn't get cut.
Speaker 3: For sure, Yeah, it for sure wasn't the bridge. No
Speaker 3: one listens past the first chorus. We need I'll be
Speaker 3: right and we'll get an awesome versus course. I'm always
Speaker 3: like this, I mean, does it even need a sexpert?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think we're good. Hey man, we love you man.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming back, even if it was just for
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, I had no idea they're coming.
Speaker 1: I don't I think.
Speaker 3: Hey, what uh what do you think about the new digs? Man?
Speaker 1: This is you guys. You must be making a lot
Speaker 1: of money. Must be nice, No, this is this is awesome. Man.
Speaker 1: You gonna come back for a third time. Hey, I
Speaker 1: gotta make some something happen, Yeah, something starting, something to
Speaker 1: talk about. I start drinking again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, boys, this is drop out a seminar a week
Speaker 3: before you graduated. Yeah, and then start drinking your little wife.
Speaker 1: I love that Luke layered everybody check out.
Speaker 2: You want to start reh my gosh, when does the
Speaker 2: line of record come out?
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but the first two songs are out.
Speaker 3: Keep spinning the singles, baby, that's right.
Speaker 2: Uh hey, we love you, thanks for coming on, thank you,
Speaker 2: thanks for thanks for sharing your heart. And then I hope,
Speaker 2: I hope people listen to that real, real talk. Uh hey,
Speaker 2: we'll catch on next time. We'll see you tomorrow unless
Speaker 2: you cancel you No, I got you.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: Peace,