WEBVTT - Week in Tech: AI-Induced Psychosis 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:16.320 Welcome to Tech Stuff, a production of iHeart Podcasts and Kaleidoscope. 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.239 I'm as Valoshian and today Karra Price and I will 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:23.079 bring you the headlines this week, including the selfies that 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.799 tell you how old you really are. Then, on tech Support, 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:30.120 we'll talk to New York Magazine's James D. Walsh about 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:32.680 using AI to cheat your way through college. 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:36.240 And it quickly kind of dawned on me that everyone 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.000 is cheating. They may not be using the word cheating, 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.199 but they are cheating according to their honor code. 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:46.360 All of that on the weekend Tech It's Friday, May sixteenth. 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:51.600 Hello Cara, hi ozgo next adjacent Lee, When was the 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:53.559 last time you flew into Newark Airport? 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.680 You know that Newark is normally my secret weapon airport, 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.520 but I haven't flown into Newark for quite some time. 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.000 Especially into nationally. Actually, it is much faster getting through 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:04.959 the customs and border patrol. It is. However, it is 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:06.640 not a good time to be flying in and out 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:08.400 of New York right now. In the last few weeks, 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.560 there have been three telecommunication failures at the air traffic 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.880 control center that oversees the airport. The first outage late 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:17.440 last month lasted over a minute. 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:19.160 Like, this is the stuff that makes me not want 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:20.360 to ever get on an airplane. 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.120 Yeah, I mean this, truly think about it. This is 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.959 when air traffic control has no contact at all with 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.480 the planes in the sky, like none, none, and they're 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:30.720 just hoping for that minute fingers cross they don't crash 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.240 into each other. And of course there are these compounding 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:36.440 delays afterwards because the poor air traffic controllers get so 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:38.360 stressed by this, they have like PTSD. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.840 Yeah, I've actually heard that air traffic control is one 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:43.679 of the more stressful jobs that you can have in 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:44.039 this kind of. 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:46.039 Stry especially when the systems are going dark and you 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.360 have dozens of planes in midair that you can't communicate. 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.280 With and nobody else wants the job, so you're overworked. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:51.920 Absolutely. 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:53.680 But why is this a tech story? 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:57.280 Well, good question. The outages are being blamed in part 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.640 on systems that rely on old technologies. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:01.400 Like what are we talking about? 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:06.280 Old like floppy disc gold so my child. Yeah. Basically, well, 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.640 here's how a former air traffic controller described it. If 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.080 you look at the technology we're using, most of it 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.360 is from the late nineteen eighties to the nineteen nineties, 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.920 we still use floppy discs to update our information system. 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:20.360 We still have paper strips. I mean, this is not 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:24.080 the eighties or nineties. This is the ancient Egypt. We 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.720 use paper strips that we walk around the tower cab 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.639 with that each controller writes something on and then hand 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:30.920 it to the next controller. 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.079 I just I was thinking about, like if Jen Alpha 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:34.639 is like, you know what, I'm only going to hand 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.600 in my homework on floppy disc now, because that's what 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:38.160 we used to do when I was growing up, Like 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.040 you would upload your homework to floppy disc and then 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.520 bring it to class and print it from school. 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:45.800 Well, I heard that in Japan there's a new trend 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.520 of fake digital cassette player. So it looks like a 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:51.720 set player, but it's actually an MP three player. But anyway, 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:53.840 you know, I'm a big local news guy. 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:54.840 You are you are. 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:58.640 NJ dot Com reports that the technology at Newark is 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:02.200 so outdated that when parts need to be replaced, the 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.680 FAA has to source them from eBay. 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:07.679 You know, this is how Kim kardash she needs to 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:08.480 buy her BlackBerry. 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.240 She did after they have continued sub she. 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.000 Would go on eBay and buy like fifteen or twenty 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:17.320 of them smartly. But she's also not working for the FAA. 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.239 But in all seriousness, you know, in the FAA is 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.440 a federal agency. So what is the Trump administration doing 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:22.840 about this? 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.160 Well, there is a three year plan to build big, 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:30.800 beautiful new traffic control systems with high speed network connections 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.680 and fiber and wireless connections, you know, but the US 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:37.080 obviously has real struggles with modernizing its infrastructure. I tried 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.680 to find out, in preparing for this episode whether or 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.040 not they use floppy disks in Chinese airports. I couldn't 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.920 get an answer, but my guess would be no. 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.400 Is that because you don't know the Chinese words for floppery? 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.160 That's probably that? MUS see what it is. And the 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.480 reason I've attract to this story is because we rarely 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:56.240 think about technology in terms of like stuff from the 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.960 eighties that still tape together and keeping us relatively safe 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:01.440 at thirty eight thousand feet. 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.920 Yes, but as is evidenced by my continuous use and 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:08.600 support of Apple's wired headphones, technology does not necessarily mean 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:11.720 the future or even the present. Technology is very much 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:12.720 the past. 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.000 The other thing that attracted me to this story was 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.839 that I got to experience some rare British pride for 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.800 the first time since the Spice Girls. I feel like 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.880 that's not true. So The Financial Times reported this week 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.400 that the British Airways CEO has hailed the quote game 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.960 changing effects of AI for cutting delays at the airline. 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.920 They've invested one hundred million pounds in quote operational resilience, 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.279 which includes using AI to suggest how to minimize passenger 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.839 disruptions like when to delay flights, whent to cancel them, 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:47.080 when to preemptively rebooked passengers, and even which gates aircraft 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:50.520 should land at to help passengers make tight connections. In 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:54.560 the process, the National Flag Carrier has gone from one 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.040 of the most delayed airlines in the world it's one 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:57.520 of the least. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.839 Oh good for them, actually, I'd love to see some 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.760 national pride for you, because I also love to see 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.400 some support for those poor, poor schmucks at the back 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.919 of the airplane who are like I have a connection 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.919 in seven seconds an ethrow. 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.320 But there is something quite sort of reassuring about human 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.760 nature that most people do feel some of enough empathy 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.400 for their true people do come together. 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.080 People go go right ahead, go right ahead, unless you're pregnant, 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:23.360 which case, we're gonna black you. 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.279 So to change landing gears slightly. Tech is obviously a 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.239 system that can govern outcomes of tens of thousands of people, 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.080 and that's where you see it showing up, for example, 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.040 in air traffic control or airline management. But the other 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:38.080 kind of side of tech that I find particularly fascinating 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:43.600 is how it's becoming a way to make us legible, 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.880 Like our tech is making us readable to others, which 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:51.080 is kind of fascinating and creepy. Scientists at mass General 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:54.599 Brigham in Boston have developed a new AI prediction tool 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.640 that can identify a person's biological age just by analyzing 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:00.520 a picture of their face to. 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:05.640 Be clear biological age and real age, like I'm thirty five, 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:07.839 but I might have a different biological age. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.000 It's basically how old you are at a cellular level, 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.640 based on the condition of your DNA, and it's different 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.800 from yet what scientists called chronological age. 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:20.120 So someone could be forty years old that's their chronological age, 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.080 and have a biological age of thirty five, which I'm 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.239 assuming is you know, a sign of good health. 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.520 Yeah, exactly, to have a lower biological age. 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.520 That's right. And so there's an app for this. Guess 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.200 what it's called dead or not hot or not No, 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.960 it's called it's called face age augh. And what's kind 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.920 of interesting is the way they trained it. So researchers 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.600 gave face Age thousands of publicly available pictures of people 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.760 over the age of sixty who presume to be healthy. 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.600 Then they gave it pictures of cancer patients who are 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:56.960 beginning radiotherapy treatment. On average, they found that someone going 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.960 through these treatments has a biological age that's five years 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:04.000 older than their chronological age, and the older the biological 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:07.560 age is, according to face Age, the worst of survival outlook. 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.760 This is according to an article in the Washington Post. 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:11.600 And why would anyone want to know this? 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.760 Well, good question. It is not just curiosity. The Post 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.880 explained how the tech could actually be a life saving 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:21.560 tool because it can be useful in predicting tolerance for 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.440 cancer treatments. This is something doctors are obviously constantly grappling with. 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:27.720 In one case in the article, a doctor had a 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.640 patient who was eighty six years old who'd received a 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.240 terminal lung cancer diagnosis, and the doctor was hesitating at 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:37.000 whether or not to recommend treatment because of the patient's 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.560 advanced age, but according to the doctor quote, he looked 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.760 younger than eighty six to me, and based on the 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.800 eyeball test and a host of other factors, I decided 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.440 to treat him with aggressive radiation therapy. The patient survived 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:50.920 and is now ninety years old. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.520 So just humor me here, what does this have to 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:55.880 do with face age? 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.480 Well, it's kind of like the eyeball test in the 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.400 digital world world right, And the doctor actually went back 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.239 and scanned an old photo of his patient using face 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:09.720 age and discovered that the app basically posts fact endorsed 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.880 the assessment. The patient's biological age was ten years younger 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.200 than his chronological age. I he was biologically seventy six 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.280 when he started treatment, and therefore was a good candidate. Obviously, 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.040 a person's face isn't the only indicator of their health, 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.880 and the tool is used alongside other clinical information, but 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:27.760 per the post, it does do a better job of 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:31.240 predicting someone's chronological age than a doctor just using their 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:32.679 eyes alone, just the eyeball test. 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.360 You know, it makes me think about the old adage 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.920 that I like to use as it pertains to women 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:39.400 and men, which is that you can't judge a book 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.120 by its cover, and you have to wonder if plastic 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:46.040 surgery in botox is as effective at tricking the AI 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:47.640 as it is to the human eye. 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.280 Funny you mentioned, you know, scientists are actually still studying 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:54.280 if light, surgery, makeup, or other factors can affect the 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.760 accuracy of the face age reading. Although interestingly, and this 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.920 is something that I find very encouraged as a man 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.600 experiencing the beginning of baldness, or perhaps the mid stage 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:08.320 of baldness, face age does not overreact to the visual 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.360 cues of aging, like being baled or having gray hair 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.960 in the way that humans do. But just taking a 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.600 step back, I think the implications of this story are 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.920 actually really really big because in the old days, it 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.600 would have taken a doctor decades of clinical experience to 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:28.000 develop their own sense of intuition about somebody's biological age 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.760 versus their chronological age. You know, they would have developed 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.960 the clinical experience and then used it to make a 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.440 to make a judgment that they probably couldn't have explained 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.679 to you themselves how they got to. But that knowledge 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.840 was captured within a community of people who were trained 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:46.760 and trusted to use that information for good according to 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.720 the Hippocratic Oath, this app points in the direction of 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:54.080 a future where anybody will be able to essentially tap 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:58.280 into intuition and take a photo of your face and 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:02.240 know your biological age and know you know how much 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.040 longer you may have to live with some degree of accuracy. 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:09.400 This isn't happening today, but it could happen soon. That can, 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:11.520 of course be empowering if you want to take a 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.040 selfie and know what's going on and maybe make some 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.319 changes to your lifestyle perbs. But on the other hand, 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.200 having bad actors or actors who don't have your best 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:25.600 interests at heart. Other people, colleagues, bosses, health insurance companies 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.280 should make us all I think, deeply concerned. 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:32.200 Yeah, I mean, especially with insurance companies. It creates a 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:34.040 huge moral problem. 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:34.760 Absolutely. 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:36.800 So I want to tell you about a headline this 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.880 week that frightened me more than the realization of how 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:40.320 old I am. 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:41.480 When I attended the Webbies. 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:43.400 Okay, what you're doing at the Webbies. 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.400 I was invited, I was invited. 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:47.440 Goes somewhere. 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:50.040 Yeah, let me tell you something. 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:52.680 You know how often well you might think differently, I 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.559 don't say no as much as I used to at 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:56.480 my chronological age, I say no less. 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.079 Yeah, yeah, well you've got to make the most, make the. 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:03.000 Best of it, exactly. But I read a story this week. 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.200 Have you heard of chat GPT induced psychosis? 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:10.199 I have to confess I have not, so it is. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.200 Kind of vague, but I got it from a Rolling 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:17.480 Stone headline that read people are losing loved ones to 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.160 AI fueled spiritual fantasies. 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:24.319 So this is like AI kind of becoming a digital 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.240 cult leader or something like that. 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:27.000 Pretty much. 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:31.079 And it's putting stress on the relationships of the people 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.160 who have to deal with people who think they're accessing 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.000 this sort of rules to the universe. 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:37.439 Through chat GPT. 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:38.120 Wow. 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:39.439 You know, several people. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.640 Reached out to Rolling Stone about how chatbot use is 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.160 getting in the way of their relationships. People even said 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:47.600 that their partners were communicating with chat gpt as if 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.880 it were a savior figure, and in some cases the 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.800 chatbot would say it was God, wow, or tell the 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:55.200 user they were God. 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.320 That's worse, is much worse. 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.520 So here's the opening story of the article in Role Stone. 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.360 A couple's marriage is falling apart because a woman's husband 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.080 started to use chat GPT obsessively, and it's not the 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:12.720 way you or I use CHATGPT. This is like someone 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:16.040 who's being radicalized on YouTube, except YouTube is talking back 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.760 to it. The husband was using it as a spiritual guide. 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:24.199 He was asking chat GPT philosophical questions and getting increasingly 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.640 personal in his responses, revealing more and more of himself 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:32.040 along the way. And then this same person starts to 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.160 get paranoid about the government surveilling him, and he says 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.960 that AI helped him regain a repressed childhood memory of 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.600 a babysitter trying to drown him. 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:43.439 I mean, this is making my mind go in all 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:45.520 sorts of different ways. I mean, you know, you can 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.800 imagine if you're spending all of your time talking to 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.040 chat GPT and feeling so well understood that it kind 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.720 of could exacerbate the feelings. Well, if chat GPT can 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.240 understand me, why can't my husband or my wife. But 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.079 what you mentioned about the repressed childhood memory is also 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.960 very interesting to me because I find that quite disturbing. Obviously, 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:06.160 we've talked a lot about AI assisted therapy bots and 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.400 the promise of them, but at the point where chat 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:14.360 GPT is, you know, helping people or convincing people that 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:18.840 they're recovering childhood memories without any training or without any guardrails. 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.920 I mean, that gets quite dystopian and concerning. To me. 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:27.079 It takes quite a leap to believe that a chat 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:31.040 bot or a search a very sort of high falutant 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:35.040 search tool, is something that is capable of allowing you 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.920 to recover repressed memory. It's one thing, I mean, repressed memory. 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:42.439 Hold on, but what about journaling? True, this is two 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:43.120 way journaling. 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.319 It's two way journaling, but the other side. 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.640 You're on another side who is predisposed to encourage you 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.640 in whatever direction you're going. I think that's what's concerning 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:51.080 about it. 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:55.640 I also think it says more about where very seemingly 0:13:55.679 --> 0:14:00.560 personalized technology fits into an increasingly godless world, which is 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:05.320 replacing religion with generative AI that seems friendly, more readily 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:09.680 available than your average guru therapist, and probably less judgmental 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:10.640 than your wife or. 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.720 Husband, certainly more prone to tell you what you want. 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.920 To hear, definitely, and also just answering you whenever you want. 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.000 I mean, I think that's something for free. 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.400 We know that chatbots tend to serve users things that 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.600 it knows they'll like. And last month there's a story 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.680 about how open Ai actually rolled back an update to 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.440 chat GPT's for o model because it was acting Tuesday 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.880 authentic towards users, like constantly telling them they were geniuses 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:38.080 or had amazing ideas, laying it on perhaps a bit 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:39.920 too thick, as my grandmother would have said. 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:42.640 You know, it's sort of like when I'm with my 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:44.880 mom on Mother's Day and she asked me to get 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:46.760 off my phone, and I'm like, will be as interesting 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:48.880 as my phone, and I'll start paying attention to you 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:49.480 on Mother's Day. 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.560 I give her Mother's da exception, except well, I. 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:56.440 Mean, look, the phone is a very seductive tool. Yeah, 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.200 and it's an always on supercomputer that gives you, and 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.680 I quote from the the article the answers to the universe. 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.840 And that of course, that kind of black box nature 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:09.120 obviously adds to the feeling of mystic or spirituality. I mean, 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:12.320 I think you look back to Victorian times and mesmerism 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:15.840 and you know, various quackery and stuff. The thing that 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.520 made people believe was not understanding how it worked. It 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.840 had to do with playing on that sense of the 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.240 unknown and filling it with meaning that was maybe non 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.680 appropriate meaning, and it feels like that's now happening on 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:32.920 a kind of cross societal and extremely technologically boosted scale. 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:33.480 Yeah. 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:37.560 And I think conversely, it's why people shouldn't read too 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.040 much into the advice that chat GBT gives them. 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:42.400 Yeah. I mean, I think that's something we all have 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.880 to remind ourselves of continually, because it's so tempting and 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:53.720 often it is so useful. We've got a couple more 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.960 headlines for you this week. Newly elected Pope Leo the 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:01.200 fourteenth says that he takes a similar position artificial intelligence 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:05.440 as his predecessor put Francis. According to CNN, the new 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.960 Pope laid out the vision for his papacy and he 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.840 identified AI as one of the most critical matters facing humanity. 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.920 He says that the development of AI, like the original 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:19.320 Industrial Revolution, would quote pose new challenges for the defense 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.120 of human dignity, justice, and labor. 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.640 So one drop, which is my chosen rap name for 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:30.360 Elizabeth Holmes, the infamous founder of fraudulent blood testing company Thearranos, 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:34.040 is in prison yep, but her partner is working on 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.680 a new venture that sounds a little bit familiar. The 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.560 New York Times reports that Holmes's partner, Billy Evans, is 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.520 raising money for Hymanthus, a blood testing startup that describes 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:49.200 itself as quote the future of diagnostics. And here's the kicker. 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:53.840 The device Billy Evans is showing two investors looks eerily 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:59.920 similar to the one hawked by Theranos. One woman's trash 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:01.240 is another man's treasure. 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:03.320 Yeah, I mean, I think you might need a blood 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.639 test yourself if you were, if you're queuing out to 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:07.919 invest in that one. Our friends at four or four 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.920 Media wrote about an ad for Coca Cola that used 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:14.479 AI to scan books and surprise, surprise, got some basic 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.840 facts wrong. Last month, the company released an ad campaign 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:21.440 which featured passages from classic literature that mentioned Coca Cola 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.879 by name. The problem is AI came up with some 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.840 examples that simply don't exist, including a sentence from a 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.879 book by British author J. G. Ballard featuring Coca Cola 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:33.680 that he never wrote. 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:37.280 Staying on the topic of AI, AD's beloved actress Jamie 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:41.199 Lee Curtis asked Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg to remove an 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:45.240 AI generated commercial on Instagram that she claimed stole her 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:49.000 likeness and it worked. According to the San Francisco Chronicle, 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:52.240 Curtis posted on Instagram saying, quote, it's come to this 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:56.439 at Zach and then implored him to remove this quote 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.200 totally fake commercial from the internet. I can hear her 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.639 saying that. Curtis said she went through every proper channel 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.480 and even tried to DM Zuckerberg. 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:06.240 Is that one of the proper channels that is? 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:10.120 I mean, if you're verified, he's verified, We're verified. Let's 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.679 get together, but was unable to reach him since he 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.760 does not follow her on Instagram, so the post was 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.800 removed within two hours of Curtis's post, which, by the way, 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.920 was set to a wreath of Franklin's song Integrity. Now, 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.840 can Jamie Lee Curtis get Zuckerberg to take down all 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.080 the photos of himself wearing a gold chain? 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.480 Methinks not. And we're going to take a quick break now, 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:36.879 but stick around because cheating is on the rise, and 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:49.399 college is getting a whole lot easier to stay with us. 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.360 Welcome back to tech Stuff. This week on Tech Support, 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.399 we want to dive deeper on a headline that we 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.879 touched on last week in New York Magazine. Everyone is 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.919 cheating their way through college. The story start with me 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.440 because it's one of those examples of a story which 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.440 isn't just about a new technology changing the way we 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:11.320 do old things, in this case college assignments or cheating 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.399 on college assignments. It's about tech posing a challenge to 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:18.320 our entire system of learning in fascinating ways, and with 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:20.640 consequences we can't begin to fathom. 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.600 I actually think we can fathom the consequences of this. 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.560 I think as we step into a future of entirely 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.760 friction free existence, it's really interesting to see the ways people, 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:35.200 especially younger, more digitally native generations, skirt around the hard 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.800 parts of being a person. I read this article and 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:41.320 was consistently asking myself the question, if given the opportunity 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:44.359 to use something that made homework way easier, wouldn't I 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:44.840 use it? 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:45.439 You know? 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:49.320 I literally this morning tried to get chat GBT to 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.600 summarize an article for me. It was the best of times, 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:54.320 it was the worst of times. 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.560 Well, at least you've read your Tailor of Two Cities 0:19:56.600 --> 0:20:01.159 by Charles Dickens. I'n Sparkner without other ado join us 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:06.080 discuss how AI is roiling education is James Walsh, a 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:10.159 features writer, at New York Magazine's Intelligencer, James, Welcome to 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:10.679 Tech Stuff. 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:12.359 Thanks so much for having me. 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.320 When did you first start to get interested in how 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:17.600 AI is changing college education? 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:22.280