Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories.
Speaker 4: Done done, Yay, that's messed up.
Speaker 3: In SVU podcast, I'm Liza Trigger.
Speaker 1: And I'm Kara Klank and you guys get it. It's
Speaker 1: SVU recaps, it's true crime, deep dives, sometimes chats interviews
Speaker 1: with celebs, to be honest, but not today, not today,
Speaker 1: not today, not a chat episode. And we haven't recorded
Speaker 1: live in a minute because I've been I've been on
Speaker 1: the road, but not as a comedian, as a mom
Speaker 1: and and uh yeah, it's like where are you right now?
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm in West Virginia. I'm at my in laws.
Speaker 1: So the bulk of this cross I'm looking.
Speaker 2: At this wallpaper and I'm trying to understand what's happening.
Speaker 3: Basically, I know it's it's just the.
Speaker 2: Ceiling and having a hard time. I'm having a hard
Speaker 2: time figuring it out.
Speaker 3: It's got it, yeah, yeah, yeah about an elliptical.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'm in a funhouse in West Virginia. Helped
Speaker 1: me out, get me out of here. No, so we
Speaker 1: just have been driving for like two and a half weeks,
Speaker 1: and we wanted it here for five days. I was
Speaker 1: just telling Casey before you got on, like, it actually
Speaker 1: has been super fun not. I mean, I've obviously snapped
Speaker 1: at my children a handful of times, but it's not
Speaker 1: been as I thought I was going to be, like, oh,
Speaker 1: like but but I honestly was like I could go
Speaker 1: a few more places.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of sad it's over.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're in West Virginia for a few days,
Speaker 1: and then we stop off in New Jersey for the
Speaker 1: fourth of July, and then uh, we'll be in you know,
Speaker 1: on our in our East Coast destinations for the rest
Speaker 1: of the summer where we're kind of like able to move,
Speaker 1: like really unpack. I mean, like obviously getting in and
Speaker 1: out of hotels with like three couple or two or
Speaker 1: three massive suitcases and all the kids crap is a
Speaker 1: little bit annoying. But I guess it's been my only exercise,
Speaker 1: my only working out of lifting. It's like these suitcases.
Speaker 1: But I mean, we've seen it's been awesome. Like we've
Speaker 1: seen a lot of cool shit. We went to Vegas,
Speaker 1: we went to the Grand Canyon Arches. We stayed at
Speaker 1: one of those under canvas which are like these, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I've talked about them before on the Pod,
Speaker 1: like glamping locations where like you stay intense, but then
Speaker 1: you have like a nice bed, like a nice king
Speaker 1: sized bed with like all the nice comfort and pillows
Speaker 1: like a hotel, but you're still kind of sleeping outside
Speaker 1: under the stars a little bit, but you have walls
Speaker 1: of canvas.
Speaker 3: The Grand Canyon cool. I had been before.
Speaker 1: Jared loved it and had never been and was like
Speaker 1: but it was also like the first stop after Vegas.
Speaker 1: And the kids were like, it's so hot because it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, one hundred something degrees. It's so hot,
Speaker 1: and they don't understand what they're looking at.
Speaker 3: They're like, it's a hole in the ground.
Speaker 1: I mean, they got on board, but at the beginning
Speaker 1: they were being fucked little shits.
Speaker 3: But it was awesome.
Speaker 1: The Green Canyon was great, but I would say Arches
Speaker 1: for they loved even more because there's so much you
Speaker 1: can climb on. You can go down into the Green
Speaker 1: Canyon and everything. But obviously I'm like not going to
Speaker 1: do that with little kids, so I was more Arches.
Speaker 3: They loved. They loved Mount Rushmore, like it was Mount
Speaker 3: Rushmore was cool. People were telling me.
Speaker 1: They're like, you know, you can kind of skip Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1: It's like not that great. I thought it was cool.
Speaker 1: I really liked it. We went to Crazy Horse. Thank
Speaker 1: you to the listeners. We got a lot. I got
Speaker 1: a lot of amazing suggestions from listeners. We stopped in
Speaker 1: the Black Hills and went to Crazy Horse thanks to
Speaker 1: some of the Tommies telling me that.
Speaker 3: We should do that. I mean, did you know that
Speaker 3: there's another fucking.
Speaker 1: Mountain sculpture happening to honor Crazy Horse, who was Ye?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think people don't like love you know
Speaker 2: the other faces?
Speaker 3: Yes, right, well the concept of their face.
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about the Crazy Horse and I
Speaker 1: went and I watched the whole movie in the little
Speaker 1: movie theater, and like, this man that decided to do
Speaker 1: it was basically like, I'm gonna be like the only
Speaker 1: good white man that has ever worked with the Native
Speaker 1: American population.
Speaker 3: Shit.
Speaker 1: And he was like, I am going to not involve
Speaker 1: government money. I'm not like and that's kind of why
Speaker 1: it's not done yet, I would say, because he doesn't
Speaker 1: take government money. But there's a beautiful like American Indian
Speaker 1: Museum there. There's like an American Indian University, and I
Speaker 1: don't know. I was like learning a lot. It's like
Speaker 1: really interesting. And his whole face is already in the
Speaker 1: mountain and part of his hand. It's just that the
Speaker 1: sculpture itself is going to be massive, with like the
Speaker 1: head of his horse his whole arm reaching out like
Speaker 1: it's a big ass sculpture. So I don't know when
Speaker 1: will be done, but it's very impressive. And the guy
Speaker 1: who started it, he obviously died. His sons are like
Speaker 1: taking it up for him. And in the video, one
Speaker 1: of the sons is like, I could just finish this
Speaker 1: for my dad, and I was like crying.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was like really really moving.
Speaker 1: And in Lacrosse, I got so many suggestions of what
Speaker 1: to do in Lacrosse, Wisconsin from the Tommies.
Speaker 3: Thank you for all the recks.
Speaker 1: We didn't get to do everything, but we went to
Speaker 1: like the Pearl ice cream place that everybody recommended, Like
Speaker 1: ten people told me about this ice cream cush Yeah,
Speaker 1: Lacrosse is super cute. It's like this little college town
Speaker 1: has all these cute restaurants, all these cute college town dude.
Speaker 1: So I was telling my kids Oscar at one point
Speaker 1: was like holding a sausage in his hand or being gross,
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, abe Frohman, the Sausage King
Speaker 1: of Chicago, like, and my kids were like, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? And so I explained the whole plot
Speaker 1: of Ferris Bueller to them and Rosie was like, I
Speaker 1: gotta watch this. And then and then when we were
Speaker 1: in Lacrosse, we found this like eighties restaurant called like
Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club, and it had a t shirt of
Speaker 1: ape from and the Sausage King of Chicago. And I
Speaker 1: was like, Oscar, look there it is. And so I
Speaker 1: got a picture of him with it. And then when
Speaker 1: we got to Chicago, we stay with my friend who
Speaker 1: you know, and we she Rosie watched it with her
Speaker 1: kids and she loved it.
Speaker 2: One of the best. Yeah, it's the best Chicago that
Speaker 2: in the Fugitive. But they're different.
Speaker 1: Yes, so they carried number one again a second for
Speaker 1: I didn't kill my wife for my child, but yeah,
Speaker 1: like did they love it?
Speaker 3: Yes, she loved it.
Speaker 1: We were like quoting it like I can't believe how
Speaker 1: much I know of.
Speaker 3: Ferris Bueller, like quotes of it.
Speaker 1: Like I kept being like, remember when the lady goes
Speaker 1: geeks Let's motorheads. They all love him. They think he's
Speaker 1: a righteous dude. Like I love that lady. She was
Speaker 1: on Valor Hogan Family. I was like, I'm a bear.
Speaker 1: It's warm and scrushy. It's been in my pocket all day.
Speaker 1: Like I was just pumping out Ferris Bueller lines. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at the menu at the Pearl ice Cream place.
Speaker 1: The Pearl was lying out the door. It was it
Speaker 1: was it's the place to go in town. And my kids.
Speaker 3: I got a milkshake.
Speaker 1: My kids got delicious ice cream monster cookie. It was
Speaker 1: a flavor they both got.
Speaker 2: Anyway, everybody was like, wading kid wants more than like
Speaker 2: a fake flavor and an off color. Yes, Like the
Speaker 2: way I was rabbid for bubblegum ice cream is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just frozen something weird.
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know why the blue in the
Speaker 2: pink is just so many.
Speaker 1: They love the blue because they love to go is
Speaker 1: my tongue. Glue is my tonguelue, and like stick it
Speaker 1: out constantly. But Lacrosse. Everybody was like why lacrosse. It's
Speaker 1: so cute. It's on the Mississippi River. It was like
Speaker 1: it was a sweet little town. Then I had to
Speaker 1: go do laundry and lacrosse. It was amazing. I five,
Speaker 1: I got a moment by myself. I went to the
Speaker 1: bowling I was like so happy. I was like, sorry, Jared,
Speaker 1: put the kids to bed. I gotta go do laundry.
Speaker 1: Drove forever to find I went to three differ laundry mats.
Speaker 1: Finally found one that was like taking change and working
Speaker 1: and uh. I went to the bowling alley next door
Speaker 1: while it was well things were drying to get a
Speaker 1: beer two seventy five for a bud light. I was like,
Speaker 1: am I moving to lacrosse?
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: Wow, it was amazing. I was like, wait, I want
Speaker 1: a beer right now. I say that.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: I was watching World Cup yesterday and I saw Madello
Speaker 1: commercial and I was like, gimme that.
Speaker 3: Honey, the way I have World Cup fever.
Speaker 1: I mean it, Well, first of all, we're so late,
Speaker 1: sorry about my travels. How could I have ever predicted
Speaker 1: that my travels were going to coincide with one of
Speaker 1: New York and Marishka's biggest moments in their lives.
Speaker 3: Get into every episode. Look at that every episode, going
Speaker 3: oh my god.
Speaker 1: The background of Liza's phone is Taylor Swift like cradling Marishka,
Speaker 1: but the one with the smile, not the William Lewis
Speaker 1: one that I made. The memes memes were incredible. That's
Speaker 1: not memes. I can't But was that part of your
Speaker 1: laundry excursion? No?
Speaker 3: I did that? Where did I do that?
Speaker 1: I think I did a before I left, or I
Speaker 1: did it in the car. I don't know where I
Speaker 1: did it, but I was.
Speaker 2: I'm getting ahead of myself. But I am seeing Marishka
Speaker 2: on Broadway this week July second, so I will report
Speaker 2: next week about everything with the Broadway show. But like
Speaker 2: I got when Taylor and Marishka were at that game together,
Speaker 2: the mount of dms I got and texts and messages
Speaker 2: and everyone. Melissa Rich was like, is that what the
Speaker 2: insight of your brain looks like? At all times? I go, yeah,
Speaker 2: I go one hundred percent. Yes, I was just imagining
Speaker 2: and streaming. She is sixty two years old. This bitch
Speaker 2: did a matinee. Did her seven o'clock show, shaved off
Speaker 2: four minutes off the show. I would have been pissed
Speaker 2: and sprinted ten blocks to make it.
Speaker 3: Are you fucking kidding me, dude?
Speaker 1: And listen one of our listeners, I'm so sorry. I
Speaker 1: don't have your name, and I also didn't ask you
Speaker 1: if I could say it. But one of our listeners
Speaker 1: made her friendship bracelets, brought them to her at the
Speaker 1: stage door at every brilliant thing, and she was wearing
Speaker 1: them at the next game.
Speaker 2: She's incredible. Taylor brought her a I mean, I love
Speaker 2: that so much. I mean, and then when Jalen like
Speaker 2: leaving after they won, They're like, what are you doing next?
Speaker 2: He goes getting on SVU. Yes, there's no way he's not.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be in an SVU. Also, me and Jalen
Speaker 2: have the same birthday. Thank you very much. So Game four,
Speaker 2: Game three? Yeah, Game four, I was in skokee so
Speaker 2: or was that Game three? Everything is so hard?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Game four.
Speaker 2: Game four I was in scoche and I was in
Speaker 2: group chats. I was trying to do it all, but
Speaker 2: my dad was like bitching about esp I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm buying ESPN and he was like, don't spend the money.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm buying ESPN, you dumb piece of shit.
Speaker 2: So obviously afterwards they're like, thank you so much, those
Speaker 2: incredible sport like they loved it. We figured out Jalen
Speaker 2: Brunson went to the high school where my dad was
Speaker 2: a school bus driver, And so we're creating a reality
Speaker 2: in our family.
Speaker 3: That my dad wrote that he rode my dad's school bus.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the years co inside, the year's co inside, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, dude.
Speaker 1: I also was thinking about your dad because I saw
Speaker 1: this like video on Instagram of this girl that made
Speaker 1: like her mom's a cerremicist and she her daughter loves
Speaker 1: her bus driver so much. And I'm talking like a
Speaker 1: middle school er. This isn't like a little kid. This
Speaker 1: is like a eighth grader that's like moving on and
Speaker 1: it's gonna have a different bus driver, and like made
Speaker 1: her her bus driver the sweetest fucking like mug pand
Speaker 1: painted the bus like everything, and then they gave it
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 3: I was like crying watching the video. It was so sweet.
Speaker 2: Now, I mean, Marishka and like, I you know, we
Speaker 2: were talking about Jalen Brunson because my mom after the interview,
Speaker 2: she just kept going, why aren't they more excited? Why
Speaker 2: aren't they more excited? I go, Mom, they're fucking tired.
Speaker 2: I go, they're fucking tired. And not only that, the
Speaker 2: job's not done, the job's not fucking don Yeah. And
Speaker 2: then I watched an interview with Marishka talking about Jalen Brunson,
Speaker 2: and it was very much like, it's not about the highs,
Speaker 2: it's not about the lows. It's about the work for him.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yes, that's why he's a fucking hero.
Speaker 2: So being in New York City obviously electric. I mean,
Speaker 2: I can't believe that you've got the nicks.
Speaker 1: You've got mom done swimming in his clothes. And when
Speaker 1: it's ever end.
Speaker 3: There's no end, there's no end, you know. I'm you know,
Speaker 3: go Mexico.
Speaker 2: And then I was performing in Houston, which is another
Speaker 2: World Cup host city.
Speaker 3: Oh my uber drivers going to the game.
Speaker 2: Someone came to my show whose son is a goalie,
Speaker 2: was turning ten that weekend. She's surprised him with tickets.
Speaker 2: He had no idea, Who's gonna go to that game
Speaker 2: with Cape verdet Like it's just been New York is
Speaker 2: so fucking fun. Like I had a bunch of spots
Speaker 2: last night, and me and Alex English were just walking
Speaker 2: in between spots and people outside the weed store had
Speaker 2: a TV. We just stood with a bunch of strangers.
Speaker 2: A guy left his log cart. We saw him sprinting
Speaker 2: a catch Morocco tiet ran back to his car.
Speaker 3: Like the city is alive.
Speaker 2: When I was walking into the train, there was all
Speaker 2: these people outside the bar watching and I ran into
Speaker 2: two people I knew, like people are just in the fucking.
Speaker 3: Yeah New York. At World Cup when I was there
Speaker 3: for like a.
Speaker 1: Few World Cups to go, I was up at like
Speaker 1: eight in the morning drinking at a bar with people
Speaker 1: I don't watch soccer. I was just like, I'm I'm down.
Speaker 1: I'm at an event today. I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do.
Speaker 2: I might have to be like a bad uncle and
Speaker 2: her husband and like leave leave the event.
Speaker 3: Check my check my phone.
Speaker 2: Well So anyway, so July second, Game five so I'm
Speaker 2: Survival of the Thickest had a screening at Tribecca Film
Speaker 2: Festival and just so you guys know the last season,
Speaker 2: it's already on Netflix.
Speaker 3: Watch it. So yeah, no July second, that yeah, wait.
Speaker 2: What's July second, that's when Survival comes out. Okay, yes,
Speaker 2: so a few weeks ago whenever, Game five was like
Speaker 2: that day we had a screening for the final season
Speaker 2: at at Tribeca, so it was cool. It was like
Speaker 2: really low key, We're not having a huge premiere this year,
Speaker 2: but it was like fun. I got to see a
Speaker 2: bunch of people that I enjoy. We had drinks, and
Speaker 2: then they had a private room dinner for us at
Speaker 2: Bad Roman, which is in that funny Columbus Circle mall.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I went to college with a guy who
Speaker 1: has something to do with that restaurant.
Speaker 3: It was delicious.
Speaker 2: I hadn't had a granada before, like a crunchy ice
Speaker 2: tick Heila drink the cheese cakes cigaret. I mean, I
Speaker 2: was getting lit though, I'll be honest, I'm getting lit.
Speaker 2: We're doing speeches. It's like it's just really really fun.
Speaker 2: But so the peppermint's there. So then when the dinner's over,
Speaker 2: it's like, fuck, we gotta watch the game. Where are
Speaker 2: we gonna go? We go upstairs to some weird bar.
Speaker 2: So I end up watching the nixt game at this
Speaker 2: like luxurious giant lounge in this mall. But we're getting
Speaker 2: so drunk, and then me and three actors from the
Speaker 2: show and my bestie Julia, we're getting lit. The Knicks win.
Speaker 2: We hit the streets. We're in Times Square, we walked
Speaker 2: all the way to Times Square.
Speaker 3: We're in the middle of all of it.
Speaker 2: Just all the world, cut people, all the Knicks people,
Speaker 2: vibes electric. And then the next day though, I'm talking
Speaker 2: to Julia and I go, oh my god, I feel
Speaker 2: like the vibes were so good. I was even nice
Speaker 2: to the cops, and she goes, you taunted them and
Speaker 2: you were threatened with a baton.
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't remember that. Oh wow, oh wow.
Speaker 2: She said there was a guy with a baton, and
Speaker 2: I kept going, you really need that, you really need
Speaker 2: your baton. And then I guess I was threatened, but
Speaker 2: I didn't remember at all.
Speaker 1: The revisionist history of the next day it is hilarious.
Speaker 3: But I was just good willing it with the cops. Hardcore. No,
Speaker 3: my voice was.
Speaker 2: But I was also in my my like my not
Speaker 2: evening wear because it was daytime event. But I was
Speaker 2: like in a baby blue I did do Nicks color,
Speaker 2: so I had a baby blue dress with like orange flowers,
Speaker 2: not fully planned, but I leaned in. But I was
Speaker 2: in formal wear. Like I wasn't formal wear new sneaker.
Speaker 2: I had to be in just sucks for a while.
Speaker 2: Julie ended up projectile vomiting outside my apartment. Everyone was
Speaker 2: at I mean, I just I it was so fucking fun.
Speaker 3: Wait who projectile momented?
Speaker 1: Julia?
Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean it was wine tequila mixing. It's mixing,
Speaker 2: it's the mixing. But so that was like insane. The
Speaker 2: next day, I body her. I didn't get out of
Speaker 2: bed till like five pm, and then I think I
Speaker 2: went to like I did something crazy the next day too,
Speaker 2: like I had something.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to look at my calendar.
Speaker 2: I don't know what what is when or how like
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't own nixt parade.
Speaker 3: What did I have? The next day? It felt crazy?
Speaker 2: Oh I went to Masquerade, an interactive Phantom of the
Speaker 2: opera show. So I had to like put on a
Speaker 2: lace mask and go like through a hall of Broadway, like,
Speaker 2: oh my god. But I had some beers at Brooklyn Diner.
Speaker 2: The guy didn't charge me. I mean, the vibes were
Speaker 2: just like so fucking good. I saw I'm a tale
Speaker 2: lane make his Broadway day. Bah my god, I see
Speaker 2: the clips. They look amazing.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I mean I had high expectations, but they exceeded exceeded.
Speaker 1: So I want to see if I can try to
Speaker 1: get tickets when I'm there.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's that's a four week run. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go again, just because like opening nights so different. But
Speaker 2: there was like thirty of us on stage afterwards, like
Speaker 2: we were like it was pandemonium.
Speaker 1: We all wanted Yeah it was. He killed it. He
Speaker 1: killed it, he killed it, he killed it.
Speaker 2: But parade day, listen, I grew up in a city
Speaker 2: of champions, Like, I know what this is like. So
Speaker 2: I just once I saw people were up at like
Speaker 2: two three in the morning starting to try to get
Speaker 2: into the parade, I go, there's no fucking way they
Speaker 2: can enjoy it. I don't need to be in the parade.
Speaker 2: But of course, Julia put on an orange tube top,
Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna make it to the parade.
Speaker 3: She didn't.
Speaker 2: She said it felt like being third class at the Titanic.
Speaker 2: Like every place you tried to go, they'd be like
Speaker 2: over there, and then everyone rushing and they'd be like,
Speaker 2: not here. So she called me at eight in the
Speaker 2: morning and she goes, I'll be at your house in
Speaker 2: under an hour.
Speaker 3: I'm walking.
Speaker 2: All the trains are closed. I go, great, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: She messages me. She goes, I'm downstairs. I start drinking
Speaker 2: at nine in the morning. You know, I'm starting. I'm
Speaker 2: having mimosas.
Speaker 3: Then we go. Was the parade like Roote? Was it
Speaker 3: like on Fifth Avenue? What was it doing?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: No, it's I went to the ticker tape parade when
Speaker 2: the women's soccer team in the World Cup, which had
Speaker 2: less people. But it's not a long route. It's just
Speaker 2: like from Battery Park up Broadway to City Hall. Oh okay,
Speaker 2: it's not long at all.
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: That's such a short route to squeeze that many fucking
Speaker 1: spectators in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, I'm proud of everyone that
Speaker 2: got in there. We met some of the people after
Speaker 2: that got in listen. So then we go to mcswarley's, which,
Speaker 2: if people don't know, is the oldest bar in New
Speaker 2: York City. It is very strict. It's communal seating. They
Speaker 2: sit you and you're sitting with whoever, and they move
Speaker 2: you around. It's light Ale and dark Ale. That's it,
Speaker 2: and you get two cups per order. It's cash and
Speaker 2: everyone from Long Island was there, so like everyone that
Speaker 2: didn't get into the parade was at mcswarthy's. So we
Speaker 2: got there at opening around eleven. We're with these guys.
Speaker 2: I'm getting bites of liverwear sandwich. I'm tasting the homemade
Speaker 2: mustard like I'm getting lit. And then we go to Swift.
Speaker 2: Julie has to go to work, so she gave all
Speaker 2: her employees the day off. This bitch is drinking with
Speaker 2: me since nine am. Goes to work at two thirty pm.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I of course by.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm Donnie Candle. I'm drunk as fuck.
Speaker 2: I end up going to my coffee shop having beers.
Speaker 2: I can't stop drinking. And then I go to a
Speaker 2: three hour play called Birthright and you can imagine what
Speaker 2: it's about. And then I had a spot that night.
Speaker 1: Also, I was trying to get you to record an
Speaker 1: ad that day and you're like, I'm drunk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm drunk, like I need the ad. Yeah. If
Speaker 3: you guys hear a quinn sad, that's a little off kill.
Speaker 1: You should have chexted me Casey, I think me doing
Speaker 1: it from the car with my kids in the background
Speaker 1: would have probably worked out.
Speaker 2: No, I did it, but I couldn't stop laughing, Like
Speaker 2: I was pretty ammord. But yeah, I went to a
Speaker 2: three hour play after drinking from nine am to about
Speaker 2: six thirty pm. And then yeah, I did my comedy
Speaker 2: and then I went home. But like being in the streets,
Speaker 2: everyone dressed up, everyone in good spirits, chat it. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's like what I live for, and everyone keeps riding it. Right,
Speaker 2: So now everyone's just like, let's do World Cup. We
Speaker 2: got the fourth coming on. I mean, I don't see
Speaker 2: an end in sight. Also, I don't know if I
Speaker 2: share the news with everyone or it was maybe just
Speaker 2: with you guys, or it wasn't confirmed. But I am
Speaker 2: playing in the Backgammon World Championships in Monte Carlo at
Speaker 2: the end of the month.
Speaker 1: In Monte Carlo. Yes, okay, you mentioned the Championships. First
Speaker 1: of all, I thought you said you were going, but
Speaker 1: I didn't think you were playing. They waved my fees.
Speaker 3: I'm playing in the women's in the intermediate divisions.
Speaker 1: I have a book. I have to be training, but
Speaker 1: I'm trying. Fuck is happening. Wait, Monte Carlo. I'm going
Speaker 1: to Monica. I'm going to Monte Carlo is in Monaco
Speaker 1: and is like glam glamb. I'm literally reading this out
Speaker 1: loud to tell myself what it is, because I overly
Speaker 1: heard about Monte Carlo in like movies. Yeah, you're going there,
Speaker 1: how and you're gonna be there for a few days.
Speaker 3: I think it's five days, five six days, and then
Speaker 3: I mean the pictures are out of control.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's like because it's like rich, people
Speaker 2: know you're not rich, so you shouldn't try to look rich.
Speaker 2: But it's like, I just don't want to look like
Speaker 2: a peasant, Like I don't know what I'm supposed to
Speaker 2: wear in Monaco to like look kind of Okay.
Speaker 3: Well, I think before you go, you should watch.
Speaker 1: The twenty eleven movie Monte Carlo, starring Selena Gomez and
Speaker 1: Layton Measter and Katie Cassidy.
Speaker 3: I've never heard of it before.
Speaker 1: But the three girls going to Monte Carlo.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I will be playing the train.
Speaker 2: My Russian teacher is like, you need to be doing
Speaker 2: your homework. I'm still reading books. I'm trying to podca.
Speaker 2: I'm sending in auditions. I'm trying to do work. I
Speaker 2: don't know how I'm supposed to function.
Speaker 1: Wait, do you understand how this competition works in the
Speaker 1: sense that like.
Speaker 2: No, and everyone I keep telling they're like, are you good?
Speaker 2: I go not for the World Championships.
Speaker 3: But they're there. They want to shoot it.
Speaker 2: We're going to do a doc and then maybe make
Speaker 2: it into a year long journey for next year or something.
Speaker 1: We'll see like yeah, but like is it knockout? Like
Speaker 1: if you go the way over there and you lose once,
Speaker 1: are you out? Or you get to play a few times.
Speaker 2: If I lose right away, I mean, I'll be fine
Speaker 2: watching and enjoying and get okay rank. So I'm not
Speaker 2: like I think I'll be maybe sad, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know how I'll feel.
Speaker 1: I again again, this is one of those moments I
Speaker 1: cannot believe. Twenty minutes into the episode, is when you
Speaker 1: decide to tell me that you're going to the backgam
Speaker 1: in World Championships to compete in Monte Carlo. That's some classic.
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's like so crazy, wow ly shit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So my summer's just kind of insane. And I just
Speaker 1: feel more grateful than ever to be in New York City. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've it's really been electric.
Speaker 2: Also, I did finally finish Giovanni's Room James Baldwin, and
Speaker 2: I've been reading I'll Be Gone in the Dark, Michelle
Speaker 2: McNamara's book I'm about I've read in. I mean, what
Speaker 2: a fucking writer. I mean, yeah, very impressed with her.
Speaker 2: And then I've been reading Song of Achilles, which people
Speaker 2: love my girl Gail, my other heated rivalry fanatics. She
Speaker 2: sent it to me as a gift with a bookmark
Speaker 2: that is a close up of Shane and Ilia's eyes
Speaker 2: in Glinner form. But I'm reading Song of Achilles and
Speaker 2: everywhere I read it, I get stopped by two to
Speaker 2: five people. How many times have you read it? I've
Speaker 2: read it five times. It made me cry, it destroyed me.
Speaker 2: I read it in high school. It changed my world,
Speaker 2: like people are obsessed with and I get it. I'm
Speaker 2: like very into it right now, but I am worried
Speaker 2: what's going to happen. But so I'm still trying to
Speaker 2: do an enrichment as well. But I have to train.
Speaker 2: I don't know how, I don't know what I'm going,
Speaker 2: where are you your training? You're training with the guy.
Speaker 2: I'm training with the guy. I have a meeting to
Speaker 2: I have like a three hour session tomorrow. And he
Speaker 2: sent me the book he wrote, How not to Suck
Speaker 2: Up backcam In. But it's like I want to read
Speaker 2: Song of Achilles, like I don't know what I don't know,
Speaker 2: and you know I'm getting the hack.
Speaker 1: Backam and it's not like you're like a person's not me.
Speaker 1: It's like, so you're not they're not taking somebody who's
Speaker 1: never played before.
Speaker 2: And then I felt really good because when I was
Speaker 2: home for my mom's birthday, I I beat my dad
Speaker 2: eleven zero, so it felt awesome. But then I lost
Speaker 2: to my mom the next day by a lot, so
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, like it's you know, there are
Speaker 2: things I should be learning. So no, people have been horny,
Speaker 2: people have been out people.
Speaker 3: It's been I yeah, like I've been sort of following.
Speaker 1: I mean when I was staying with my friend in Chicago,
Speaker 1: her husband is from Mexico, so like we were I.
Speaker 3: Did a book. No, that's okay. I want to let
Speaker 3: people know what I'm reading. I want people. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: haven't I haven't given up yet. Did you watch Paraguay Germany? Yesterday?
Speaker 3: In the streets on my way to my set, I
Speaker 3: just stopped at a bar.
Speaker 1: Is crazy, Like one of my good friends is from Paraguay,
Speaker 1: so I was like texting her like She's like, I've
Speaker 1: died three times this game.
Speaker 3: Like it was.
Speaker 1: Rosie was like do I have to go to bed?
Speaker 1: It was like during the shootout, I was like, Jared,
Speaker 1: I gotta let her stay up. This is crazy, Like
Speaker 1: it's so good. I mean, I love watching World Cup Morocco.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait for Kate Verde. You know, David Riskalayat.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. I'm in the Cape Verde.
Speaker 2: I do want Mexico to win it all because that'll
Speaker 2: be the best party.
Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that I'm not in La for
Speaker 1: the World Cup is a little bit of a bummer.
Speaker 3: Like everywhere I.
Speaker 1: Look, everybody's at watch parties because I like, and I
Speaker 1: live in such a Mexican neighborhood.
Speaker 3: It's like sad that I'm not there.
Speaker 2: Everyone the happy Meal toys are squashed mollows wearing soccer jerseys.
Speaker 1: So I have them. Oh I got I have the
Speaker 1: shark and the cat. I have Gordon and Cam wrote
Speaker 1: the kids. Okay, so Rosie is anemic because she doesn't
Speaker 1: eat meat, so I start.
Speaker 3: I had to tell her you have to either start.
Speaker 1: Eating meat or you have to take these iron drops
Speaker 1: in OJ and she's like try the iron drops. It
Speaker 1: was like fuck these. So now she's trying to eat
Speaker 1: a little bit of meat. So we've been easing into
Speaker 1: a couple of like nuggets and things like that on
Speaker 1: the road. So they got a happy meal and she
Speaker 1: ate the nuggets and they got the beta fish that
Speaker 1: says Balisa or it's an Italian player. It's a hot
Speaker 1: pink with a green jersey Balia, Oh my god, what's
Speaker 1: his name? But my kids have been obsessed like looking
Speaker 1: at the squashmallows at every time we stopped to use
Speaker 1: McDonald's bathrooms and they're like, look at the squashmallows, like
Speaker 1: they are loving the squashmllo World Cup. Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: the American and the Mexican.
Speaker 2: I really wanted the Mexican jersey because the guys who
Speaker 2: work at the coffee shop downstairs, like I want to
Speaker 2: party with them because when I get home late at
Speaker 2: night and there's been fun games, they they drink after work.
Speaker 3: So I run into them and I and I like.
Speaker 1: Oh, but I but I but della, butrella is what
Speaker 1: we have. It's got it's got a green jersey. On
Speaker 1: is that the Italian jersey?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: The thing is hot pink and it's a bait of fish.
Speaker 1: I guess, oh, okay, you're excited for some others. They
Speaker 1: they I need to get a Avery Avery's que. What's
Speaker 1: the US one?
Speaker 3: Gordon?
Speaker 2: I think it's Gordon right the park because it looks
Speaker 2: like the American jersey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, hard to say. That's been huge.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you know, I don't think I'm ever
Speaker 1: going to get into sports. But then I get the
Speaker 1: up oportunity to write one of those little poems about
Speaker 1: the Nicks, and here we are.
Speaker 3: You know, I was.
Speaker 1: I was proud of my poem. In case anybody didn't
Speaker 1: read my poem. No, the memes were incredible, but my
Speaker 1: poem was my captain is Kragan Munch is Jewish cab.
Speaker 3: It's actually alive.
Speaker 1: Nixon five and I'm glad that they actually won in
Speaker 1: five because that's the one.
Speaker 3: That's the one.
Speaker 2: No, it feels awesome, and like you know, FIFA, this
Speaker 2: the brackets that like corruption, this, the NBA, the trap,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. The end of the day. There's just
Speaker 2: something so pure about sports. There's something so electric with
Speaker 2: down to the wire and just fucking camaraderie, like seeing
Speaker 2: the Brazil team, like supporting the Japanese players and fans
Speaker 2: that were sad, just like seeing everyone connect and be together.
Speaker 2: And it's just been awesome yesterday. And at the Cellar,
Speaker 2: it's a bunch of people here for the World Cup,
Speaker 2: so like they'll watch the game at the Olive Tree,
Speaker 2: go to the show.
Speaker 3: People are in Jersey. Oh sorry.
Speaker 2: The Houston Art Museum one of the most incredible places
Speaker 2: I've ever been in my life.
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: I probably was crying fully from art, like probably seven
Speaker 2: to eight times. Wow, there's a mission Stars in Houston.
Speaker 2: It's three separate buildings, all connected by tunnels. And I
Speaker 2: obviously loved like more modern art, and so I was
Speaker 2: in that modern building for every one of my favorite artists.
Speaker 2: Every time I turned a corner, I go, are you
Speaker 2: fucking kidding me?
Speaker 3: Like it was. It was glorious.
Speaker 2: And then of course I'm sitting alone at this Michelin
Speaker 2: Star restaurant and they're like, are you celebrating something. I
Speaker 2: go no, I'm wearing an athletics skirt.
Speaker 3: Like, just bring me my octopus.
Speaker 1: I took my kids to the Indianapolis Children's Museum. I
Speaker 1: didn't cry, but it was also very fun. But my
Speaker 1: kids did go swim in that They they kicked around
Speaker 1: in that water. That installation in Chicago that's near the
Speaker 1: bean in your Millennium Park, spitting the water.
Speaker 3: They love that. The bean is awesome.
Speaker 2: You know what when people are like, I don't want
Speaker 2: to be like a tourist, tourist, shit's cool.
Speaker 3: Sorry. They came.
Speaker 1: My friends that live in Chicago came with us. Their
Speaker 1: kids were like taking pictures of us that we're being
Speaker 1: so cute. All right, let's get started as always, that's
Speaker 1: I do. Has the links to our merch which you
Speaker 1: can buy are Louise Lewis.
Speaker 2: Lewis Louis Slowest. People are wearing them to my shows.
Speaker 2: Oh the reason I'm off the can Amzer Museum. Besides
Speaker 2: loving it so much, they had custom FIFA Art Museum
Speaker 2: soccer jerseys in the gift shop.
Speaker 3: Oh, like, everyone's on board. It's just so beautiful.
Speaker 1: We can also love World Cup and love soccer ball,
Speaker 1: also saying that FIFA is a shitty company by the way,
Speaker 1: just f y.
Speaker 2: And America is treating the Iranian team like there's obviously
Speaker 2: always going to be fucked up stuff.
Speaker 3: But like, I've never heard of the World Cup in
Speaker 3: my life. Let me live. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm loving it. I'm loving it. I'm collecting the cups.
Speaker 3: It's four years. Where were we four years? Was it
Speaker 3: four years ago? It wasn't in America. We're just so selfish.
Speaker 1: I was in cutter maybe the one that was Waka
Speaker 1: Waka with the shakira.
Speaker 3: I remember being invested in that one. I loved in.
Speaker 2: You guess what my song was that I came out
Speaker 2: to in Houston every night, walka Walka is a monomena.
Speaker 2: And then the manager was like, oh, is there a
Speaker 2: time stamp of when you want the song to play?
Speaker 2: I go, I've never heard of my life. I'm like,
Speaker 2: World Cup fever. Play the shakira.
Speaker 1: I don't know, just play it. Oh the new World Cup. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's she's the World Cup girl. Okay, So that's my
Speaker 1: sublive dot Com for the merch promo codes.
Speaker 2: Also are people we didn't even mention, Pride, do you
Speaker 2: understand I'm not surviving this summer?
Speaker 3: I told my mom. I go, mom, I'm not surviving.
Speaker 2: And she goes, well, as long as you're only tired
Speaker 2: from partying and nothing like harder than that, and I
Speaker 2: go all right.
Speaker 3: Pride was really uh.
Speaker 1: I didn't get to do anything cool because I was
Speaker 1: driving across the country with my kids. But it was
Speaker 1: cool to see Pride stuff out in like Sioux Falls
Speaker 1: and like towns like in more red states.
Speaker 3: Like Pride was poppin'.
Speaker 1: But also so was the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary
Speaker 1: of America, which I care less about, although we just
Speaker 1: celebrated it.
Speaker 3: I hope everybody had a nice Fourth of July today.
Speaker 1: Also, July seventh is the day Alison Leiby's book comes out.
Speaker 3: It's called I'm a Lot.
Speaker 1: Please go buy it, and if you want to listen
Speaker 1: to our interview with her, it's on our Patreon, Patreon
Speaker 1: dot com slash that's messed up. We have interview with
Speaker 1: her and it's a fun chat also about just like
Speaker 1: life and SVU and all different other things. And then
Speaker 1: we have more interviews and fun shit coming up, So
Speaker 1: get on over there. And join the Patreon. But let's
Speaker 1: get going. Today's episode a classic.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're doing savant everybody fun word fun app we
Speaker 2: I feel like we referenced this episode all the time
Speaker 2: all the.
Speaker 1: Time, because I think I always talk about it's the
Speaker 1: girl with perfect pitch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait the season nine, episode four, two
Speaker 2: thousand and seven, everybody, And we start with Aiden Quinn
Speaker 2: in the back of the cab. I know him best
Speaker 2: from Practical Magic. You might know him from season twenty
Speaker 2: three SVU, where he's a guy that like, what is it?
Speaker 2: Did he statutory rape Olivia Benson? But she still loves
Speaker 2: him and they have a weird thing like I don't
Speaker 2: even remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like she has sex with him again
Speaker 1: in like her current form and and then I think
Speaker 1: she realized. Then she hears some bad stuff about him
Speaker 1: and is like, oh, you've been like dishonest with me,
Speaker 1: And come to think of it, I think our relationship
Speaker 1: was kind of weird too when we were younger, Like
Speaker 1: I think he was a professor of hers or something.
Speaker 1: I should look into it more deeply, But that's not
Speaker 1: the character he's playing in this.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: I did the episode and I still didn't. But also
Speaker 2: I just thought he was so famous. But I think
Speaker 2: practical Magic is just so important to me because I
Speaker 2: look through as IMDb and I go, I mean, he's
Speaker 2: a series regular and elementary and he's in Legends of
Speaker 2: the Fall.
Speaker 1: To me, he's so famous, Lisa, like he was on
Speaker 1: the wall, Like I thought he was so hot when
Speaker 1: all he was like Legends of the Fall was so
Speaker 1: we were all so obsessed with him.
Speaker 3: He was in Benny and June. I always thought he
Speaker 3: was so handsome.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's quite a bit older than me, but
Speaker 1: when I was like twelve and he was like in
Speaker 1: his thirties, I thought he was like so hot, and yeah,
Speaker 1: he's Beny and June, I thought was.
Speaker 3: A big one. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was like always following who he was dating, like
Speaker 1: I just I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Always had always been into Aid and Quinn outspoken critic
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. I'm seeing in in his Wikipedia.
Speaker 3: I'll take it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, you know what now that I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it too, it's just like a few of
Speaker 1: these other ones.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: I just always thought he was so handsome and like
Speaker 1: he really hasn't done that many movies that I've specifically seen,
Speaker 1: but a few that I have, and like a few
Speaker 1: that were that imprinted, I would say from an early time.
Speaker 2: And this is a gud McCreary episode. So Judy shout
Speaker 2: out to Judy.
Speaker 3: She gave us.
Speaker 2: I think some like anyone that talks shit on our
Speaker 2: pod and names names will for Anthony Rapp, Judy McCreary
Speaker 2: is that it might be a no.
Speaker 3: I think people said people name names off off Mike.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I like the people being like,
Speaker 2: well yeah, and then I had to do it with
Speaker 2: a fucking limited budget and I'm like, yeah, bitch, that
Speaker 2: does suck.
Speaker 3: You know. I liked it.
Speaker 2: Anyways, it's a classic, it's a favorite. We're lucky, we're excited.
Speaker 2: Aiden Quinn is not on the podcast. Okay, so if
Speaker 2: you just if you're wondering, oh yeah, sorry, what's.
Speaker 1: Happening on the hell quickly looking into the other character
Speaker 1: they met when she was sixteen and he was twenty one, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so not great, o great, but yeah we're here.
Speaker 3: This episode's even worse.
Speaker 2: Okay, so not with him, just in general, well, we
Speaker 2: don't know if he did it or not okay, chatty
Speaker 2: Kathy driver. He's in a cab and the cab driver
Speaker 2: is bitching. He's like, oh, me and my old lady
Speaker 2: and we had some real blowouts, nothing too physical, but
Speaker 2: I do wish she would just die. So I just
Speaker 2: I don't get culture like why. I guess men got
Speaker 2: a lot out of it. It's just like, why was
Speaker 2: the foundation of so much of life, like marry this
Speaker 2: person and no matter how miserable and awful it is,
Speaker 2: stay Like why would that be the theory that most
Speaker 2: people build their lives around.
Speaker 1: And it was also like it also felt like back
Speaker 1: in the day, that's like what men talked about because
Speaker 1: it wasn't like they were all watching sports on cable,
Speaker 1: like the same sports always, so I think it would
Speaker 1: just be like Archie Bunker type shit where you'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: my old lady, you know, like that's kind of how
Speaker 1: men would maybe relate to each other, like, you know,
Speaker 1: because it wasn't like if you lived outside of New York,
Speaker 1: you probably weren't watching the Yankees back at a certain time,
Speaker 1: and it just became this cultural thing to be like,
Speaker 1: you know what I can I can talk shit on
Speaker 1: is my old lady.
Speaker 3: But why is but like that's what I'm confused.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's right, you know, it's like religion or like
Speaker 2: people needed protection or something about working the fields. Like
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm just saying it's such a
Speaker 2: weird thing to build so much of life upon, Like
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: When I was growing up.
Speaker 2: One of my best friends, like her parents wouldn't acknowledge
Speaker 2: each other fully lived on different floors. Like oh and
Speaker 2: they could, and that's that and they're still together.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I mean they would they would drive to
Speaker 1: church separately. I would not acknowledge it. Like we've talked
Speaker 1: about this before, like sometimes divorce is expensive. Sometimes women
Speaker 1: were set up to a point where they couldn't get
Speaker 1: credit cards to the seventies. If you were to get
Speaker 1: divorced and your parents were dead, where the hell were
Speaker 1: you even gonna go?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: But I know, but that's my question, Like why was
Speaker 2: it set up this world?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: For what I mean, like why didn't everyone get around
Speaker 1: and be like, wait, maybe we could just like have
Speaker 1: a good time, Like we're the first generation that's like,
Speaker 1: maybe we can have a good time. Like I don't
Speaker 1: think any generation before ours fully like countercultures, subcultures did,
Speaker 1: but this is the first time I think culturally people
Speaker 1: are like, oh, I don't want to be miserable forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is a national hierarchy of needs.
Speaker 2: I mean, if I knew my partner was talking to
Speaker 2: a stranger going, I didn't I've never hit her, but
Speaker 2: I'd be glad she's dead.
Speaker 3: I know I was saving.
Speaker 1: Like, like, have you seen that that clip that I'm
Speaker 1: sure you have that's been going around that's from Search
Speaker 1: Party of John Early going his character being like I
Speaker 1: don't want to work. I don't like the way it feels,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it. I just never want
Speaker 1: to do it again. And I'm just saying that right now,
Speaker 1: Like it's funny, like it's a generation. It's it's definitely
Speaker 1: an exaggeration, but it's like talking about the youth more
Speaker 1: our generation, millennials and the generations behind us are like
Speaker 1: more like, yeah, I don't really very very Kim Katrol.
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend one second of a day
Speaker 1: doing something when I'm not enjoying myself, right, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that acts like that, I go, you know, what things
Speaker 1: you do actually matter?
Speaker 3: And you're you know, you're affecting people. So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy hates his wife and as, but so
Speaker 1: does aid and Quinn because no, Aidan says, I know
Speaker 1: the feeling.
Speaker 2: And but then he tells the driver to shut up.
Speaker 2: He goes, shut up.
Speaker 1: That kind of res I feel like he was speaking.
Speaker 3: For a lot of people. He goes, will you just
Speaker 3: shut up?
Speaker 1: Like so many people sometimes feel that way when they
Speaker 1: have like a cab driver, an uber driver. That's just
Speaker 1: like life storying it a little bit, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just like me too, stop it.
Speaker 2: And then but then the cab driver goes, I'm sick
Speaker 2: of circling your block, so we get and then he
Speaker 2: throws two hundred more dollars cash at him and goes
Speaker 2: keep driving. So obviously something is afoot. And then a
Speaker 2: young girl covered in blood in a white nightgown jumps
Speaker 2: in front of the car. He almost hits her. Everyone's screaming,
Speaker 2: but then aid and Quinn in the back of the
Speaker 2: cab goes Katie, and he runs out to Hugger and
Speaker 2: asks if she's okay and calls her sweet her, but
Speaker 2: the driver is calling her a moron, So you might
Speaker 2: just hate all women of all ages married to him
Speaker 2: or not. Yeah, because it's like, I know it's annoying,
Speaker 2: but like this girl is covered in blood in the
Speaker 2: middle of the night, Like I don't know if she's
Speaker 2: more Yeah, this guy, it's crazy, you know, But I
Speaker 2: miss cab drivers like this. The last two cabs I've
Speaker 2: been in, they're like, what's your address and they're putting
Speaker 2: it in a phone, and it's like, I don't. You
Speaker 2: can't do that in a yellow to me. You should know,
Speaker 2: like I would rather someone want to kill their wife
Speaker 2: and nowhere to go without me having to type in
Speaker 2: an address.
Speaker 1: Oh, I never give them my address. I would say
Speaker 1: the corner and then I'd be like keep going and
Speaker 1: keep going. Yeah, of course, but that's a that's a
Speaker 1: long gone time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've had two cabs this last week where
Speaker 2: both of them gave me their phone and were like,
Speaker 2: put in the address, and it's like, no, I'm wanting
Speaker 2: a different experience. And then one I was going from
Speaker 2: second and twenty fourth to fourth and second, which is
Speaker 2: a straight shot, and he goes put it in.
Speaker 3: I go go straight twenty blocks? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: Like, like, I don't know, I don't know damn.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe they do it for traffic because like
Speaker 1: Google Maps tells you traffic in a way that cab
Speaker 1: drivers can't like know what's happening with the traffic. No.
Speaker 2: I had a driver in like twenty fifteen that I
Speaker 2: still think about where I started being like I was
Speaker 2: like Bushwick and Ainsli.
Speaker 3: It's he goes.
Speaker 2: I know where that is, and I should have gotten
Speaker 2: his number and been hiring him this whole time.
Speaker 3: I think about him all the time. I think about
Speaker 3: him all the time.
Speaker 2: Well whatever, So we're at the nine one one operator
Speaker 2: there's talking, she's hold and then like through the phone
Speaker 2: because this girl Katie's holding a cordless phone, and you
Speaker 2: know the dad I had in Quinn's screaming, and then
Speaker 2: the call the nine one one operators like crank calls
Speaker 2: are against the law, and I mean all of.
Speaker 3: This sounds really real to me.
Speaker 2: And then Aiden goes into the phone and he's like,
Speaker 2: my daughter is covered in blood and he's gonna and
Speaker 2: so they're gonna send someone over now, Aiden, I should
Speaker 2: I call him his character name?
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 2: So Quinn boy walks in also, well, Aden, and I
Speaker 2: didn't realize was a real name tell sex in the city.
Speaker 3: But this guy's older, so yeah, predates.
Speaker 2: So walks in asking for Karen, and then the blood
Speaker 2: girl calls him dad, so now we know that's his daughter.
Speaker 2: She stands in the doorway, he hushes her and then
Speaker 2: he sees the mom bleeding out from her head on
Speaker 2: the floor, and immediately we have Judith Ciper and Fin
Speaker 2: Tutuola and he's like, damn heard the vic got her
Speaker 2: head bashed in. But there's no fourth century. It's not
Speaker 2: a home invasion, like nothing's missing. So it's like, what's
Speaker 2: going on? Like Finn is annoyed he's here, and and
Speaker 2: Judith is like, no, no, no, there's a rape.
Speaker 3: There's a rape.
Speaker 2: So they do the lights and they black light. There's
Speaker 2: semen everywhere. So then Benson and Stable is that merch.
Speaker 2: There's semen everywhere everywhere. Benson and Stable are in the
Speaker 2: hospital while Karen is in surgery, and they ask what
Speaker 2: I think is Karen? Yeah, for sure, and it's Parana.
Speaker 2: I was like, who's Karen? You know it's spelt that
Speaker 2: way for sure?
Speaker 3: For sure. So then we hear a Katie go, what's
Speaker 3: a rape kit? Dad?
Speaker 2: So that's like a lesson. Katie runs up and she
Speaker 2: has big glasses and is super friendly. She's like so
Speaker 2: fucking cute, and she's like, Hi, what's your name? Oh hi, Elliott,
Speaker 2: you look upset. You need a hug, and she hugs
Speaker 2: Elliott and there's dramatic music and then Aiden Quinn's like,
Speaker 2: get come over here, and Stabler's suspicious.
Speaker 3: He doesn't like it.
Speaker 2: There's a smirk like because I get it, Like if
Speaker 2: you're it's like Hayden Penitare in that season two episode.
Speaker 2: It's like something's going on if you're looking for so
Speaker 2: much affection from strangers, I guess. So we're off to
Speaker 2: the credits and then we're at the precinct and it's
Speaker 2: it's a lake episode. So it's lake Finn and Munch
Speaker 2: and they're trying to work, and Katie walks up to
Speaker 2: Munch and goes some people think I'm an elf, but
Speaker 2: I'm not. And then she only has one point ear
Speaker 2: not to and she wants a hug from Munch too,
Speaker 2: and he goes, no, I'm a stranger, and she says
Speaker 2: okay bye and walks away, and then she goes and
Speaker 2: runs her fingers through Finn's ponytail and I am just
Speaker 2: upset because it's like, you're not supposed to such black
Speaker 2: people's hair in general, but like also Fintutuola especially so
Speaker 2: you shouldn't touch white people, say like, you shouldn't touch
Speaker 2: anyone's here, but it just happens to black people too much.
Speaker 2: Guys like I love this kid to just grab Finn's
Speaker 2: ponytail and start twirtling with it. It's just like one
Speaker 2: of my favorite things I've never noticed in the show
Speaker 2: until this rewatch. And he doesn't like it, and so
Speaker 2: she's like, are you mad at me? And Munch's like, babe,
Speaker 2: like we're all strangers. Okay, we're all strangers, Like you
Speaker 2: gotta stop. But then you know, everyone smiles at her
Speaker 2: and they have a sweet moment and everyone loves her.
Speaker 2: So Craigan is spying in the dark through the blinds
Speaker 2: and he Benson and Stable are with him, and he
Speaker 2: just goes, what's wrong with her? And what's wrong with
Speaker 2: her is she has something called Williams syndrome, which I'm sure, Kara,
Speaker 2: are you doing later or.
Speaker 1: No, no, because they kind of talk about it in
Speaker 1: the episode, but I did look up some of it.
Speaker 3: If you want me to talk about it here.
Speaker 1: But what I think is interesting is that this little
Speaker 1: girl actress does not have it. She's wearing fake teeth,
Speaker 1: and she's been in another episode, Wait which episode she
Speaker 1: was in Serendipity The Honey the Honey Rape. Was she
Speaker 1: one of the victims, Yes, she's one of the little
Speaker 1: girls WHOA Yeah, So she's been in two episodes of
Speaker 1: SVU and two episodes one of Criminal Intent and one
Speaker 1: of Original Recipe.
Speaker 3: And she's super cute. But she's wearing like.
Speaker 1: Prosthetic, like a teeth implant thing here too, because what
Speaker 1: I read about Williams syndrome is it causes a few
Speaker 1: facial differences like in the chin and round her cheeks
Speaker 1: and protruding teeth a little bit. And then I think
Speaker 1: sometimes various genetic disorders you can see the differences in ears,
Speaker 1: and william syndrome is literally like the result of just
Speaker 1: missing a few genes on one like arm of a chromosome.
Speaker 3: So it's it's really rare. Wow.
Speaker 2: And I bet that she like kind of crushed it
Speaker 2: in Serendipity, so they're like, we got to bring this
Speaker 2: girl back.
Speaker 1: Let's get this going. But I don't think she acts
Speaker 1: much very much anymore.
Speaker 3: I mean for her.
Speaker 1: IMDb says, she does that show what would you do? Sometimes?
Speaker 3: But that's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she does kill it. I mean, this is one
Speaker 2: of the classic episodes. But I also love that, like
Speaker 2: Craigan becomes a full boomer. If anyone has special needs,
Speaker 2: if there's any disability, it's like, is any slow and stupid?
Speaker 3: What do we do on trial?
Speaker 2: Like he's just never okay with any differences totally. So
Speaker 2: the dad told them, like, be patient with her, she
Speaker 2: is special and Craigan thinks if the two of them
Speaker 2: are there together, they'll get more stuff done. So the
Speaker 2: dad's being super nice and encouraging Katie to talk, and
Speaker 2: they're in the kid toy room and Benson his short
Speaker 2: hair don't care vibes with a swoop bang. You forget
Speaker 2: that she has short hair again, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You forget or iet at least. Oh, and obviously with
Speaker 2: William syndrome, it's like, clearly this is a Neil Bear episode,
Speaker 2: like whenever, it's so specific, it's like this, this is
Speaker 2: our guy. So she's scared, but she is going to
Speaker 2: talk and she says that they were yelling and she
Speaker 2: covers her ears. She's like too loud, so she hid
Speaker 2: under her bed and then she said, she you know,
Speaker 2: is quiet, and then shared foot and went and found
Speaker 2: her mom, and the mom was bleeding out, so she
Speaker 2: took the phone even though she's not allowed to, but
Speaker 2: it was an emergency.
Speaker 3: And then the dad came home and he.
Speaker 2: Was gone a long time, and then she goes the end,
Speaker 2: and then so we find out about him. He's a
Speaker 2: project manager for a biotech company and he does travel
Speaker 2: a lot, and the family always drives him to the airport.
Speaker 2: It's her, it's his turn to talk, so he sends
Speaker 2: her to explore and basically they're like, why were you
Speaker 2: driving around the block, Like what's going on? He says,
Speaker 2: I'm buying time for the inevitable fight that was going
Speaker 2: to happen about my long trips and how she feels
Speaker 2: like a single parent, and so then they're like okay,
Speaker 2: so then who did this?
Speaker 3: Like who has a grudge?
Speaker 2: And he goes, we don't really hang out with anybody
Speaker 2: except for other parents in a support group that like
Speaker 2: deal with you know, like that have kids with special needs.
Speaker 2: And then Katie also she had like a giant cardiac
Speaker 2: surgery six months ago, so like they're just they're not
Speaker 2: really going out. But there has been tension in the
Speaker 2: therapy group because they are filing a wrongful suit. I
Speaker 2: wrote wrongful birthday suit. It's wrongful birth suit against doctor
Speaker 2: Gerald Morgan. And he's like a very popular doctor in
Speaker 2: the community, so everyone's mad because if he wins, he'll
Speaker 2: lose his insurance and then closes practice and other parents
Speaker 2: don't like that. So Benson and Stable are now dilly
Speaker 2: dallying at the Center precinct and Craigan asks like, do
Speaker 2: you think it's the husband, and they're like, well, he's
Speaker 2: obviously a suspect, but he was out of town. So
Speaker 2: let's like check flights and the group's therapy couples and
Speaker 2: see what's up. Like, I'm sure someone will talk shit
Speaker 2: about them. So we're at the Center and it's the
Speaker 2: fucking woman I saw at the bar that I couldn't place,
Speaker 2: the brown, curly haired girl where I'm like, I was
Speaker 2: at Swift and I was looking and I was looking
Speaker 2: up like all like, lawyer, is she a judge?
Speaker 3: It's fucking her, Geraldine Hughes.
Speaker 2: She was born in Belfast, so of course she's at
Speaker 2: the fucking Irish pub having a nice skinness with her
Speaker 2: friends and it's fucking her.
Speaker 3: How did you clock this woman?
Speaker 1: She's only in this episode and one other call reason
Speaker 1: that I don't even know.
Speaker 2: I wrote, I mean for me to remember her from
Speaker 2: these two tiny parts, because she's in a another episodes
Speaker 2: of nineteen no good reason, which I don't even remember. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. Yeah, And then I wrote, no
Speaker 2: wonder I couldn't find her online. I assumed it was
Speaker 2: a recurring role, and no, this is the woman that
Speaker 2: I saw that. I was like, that's an s Tobu
Speaker 2: woman and I need to and I clocked her and
Speaker 2: it's her. That's actually so crazy. Well, I'm just lucky
Speaker 2: we finally got like we did this.
Speaker 3: You. I wish there was a camera on me when
Speaker 3: I saw her walk onto the screen and you were
Speaker 3: texting us, and I'm like, in a million years, I
Speaker 3: couldn't have guessed this person.
Speaker 1: She's in two rare like Savanta Paintic episode but I
Speaker 1: don't even like really remember her part that well. And
Speaker 1: like you know that just a mom and a grief group. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is her though you people have SVU face. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure she's like a theater woman, you know,
Speaker 1: but like the fact that I knew immediately to the
Speaker 1: point where I assumed she must have been a defense attorney.
Speaker 3: Nope, so crazy.
Speaker 2: So she's being a bitch to a blonde man who
Speaker 2: was just in the campus rape episode. Remember I said,
Speaker 2: one of the rapists in what is a devastating story,
Speaker 2: I said, is in this episode. So it's him and
Speaker 2: they're having like a teen mom fights classic, you know, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
Speaker 2: He was just like the blonde one in the Raye
Speaker 2: Poppin House. So he just has longer hair here. And
Speaker 2: I didn't write his name. I was obviously still really
Speaker 2: like floating from seeing the woman from the bar, so
Speaker 2: you know, it's just like a normal teen attitude, and
Speaker 2: the mom's like, shut up. So then we cut to
Speaker 2: a different couple and they're talking about their child with
Speaker 2: Down syndrome, and the dad's a surgeon, so he's like,
Speaker 2: oh god, everyone's so fucking litigious, and he's taking the
Speaker 2: doctor's side. And then it cuts back to my best
Speaker 2: friend and her husband is an sv repeat guest as well.
Speaker 2: Robert Clawhassey. He's in four episodes. He's seasoned one, Bad
Speaker 2: Blood Season three, Prodigy and season fourteen Girl Dishonored. I
Speaker 2: of course remember him from thirty eight episodes of OZ.
Speaker 2: So they talk about how but his face is like
Speaker 2: you know that face, Like he is classic SVU face.
Speaker 3: Too, totally, he's so SVU face. They talk about how.
Speaker 2: It fucks up marriages and it's like really hard to
Speaker 2: deal with, like it puts strains on couples, Like I
Speaker 2: don't think that's like obvious to me. I feel like
Speaker 2: just having a kid without like special needs put strain
Speaker 2: on couple. Yeah, I can't imagine then having to deal
Speaker 2: with like a whole new system, whole new issues, unrelatability,
Speaker 2: like your expectations, I mean.
Speaker 1: Having to like navigate like the school system and advocate
Speaker 1: for It's like that sounds like a so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how your kid is treated and yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So so then they talk to another woman and there
Speaker 2: she's explaining that Aiden Quinn and Krinne separated but then
Speaker 2: got back together a few months ago, and Stabler asks
Speaker 2: how she feels about the lawsuit and she's like, listen,
Speaker 2: I fucking get it. I asked them to check for everything,
Speaker 2: and my kid's disease wasn't on the panel. It is
Speaker 2: now though, but like now my kid has this like
Speaker 2: terrible disease that wasn't checked for.
Speaker 1: So Benson and s Taylor are you can't, like I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of times like you can't. Some genetic
Speaker 1: disorders are so rare, like fifty people in the world
Speaker 1: have them, like their Denovo Janes, like is what it's called.
Speaker 1: And you can't just even the panel that tests for
Speaker 1: two hundred things, like you can't test for those, you know,
Speaker 1: So it does just things just do happen, So you
Speaker 1: can't always like suit sue a hospital or a doctor,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Benson and Taylor are trying to figure it out
Speaker 2: in a street walk and talk like wait, so if
Speaker 2: they just got back together, why was he like trying
Speaker 2: to avoid a fight.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Saylor steps walking and just starts staring off and
Speaker 2: basically Kathy is pregnant right now, so he's like, fuck,
Speaker 2: she's over forty having a baby and getting kind of
Speaker 2: freaked out with this case and what's gonna happen? And
Speaker 2: Benson asked why they won't see a doctor, and obviously
Speaker 2: it's because he's Catholic, so they're not. They're they're like,
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: What Catholics don't go to in the year two thousand something,
Speaker 3: nobody wouldn't. He wouldn't abort. So oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh.
Speaker 3: He says, we're Catholic. That's right. I remember this part.
Speaker 1: He goes, we're Catholic, so what does it matter, like
Speaker 1: even if we find something out, Yeah, so you know,
Speaker 1: but which is so crazy to be Like if a
Speaker 1: doctor told you, actually, this kid will know nothing but pain,
Speaker 1: he will he or she will live for twenty four hours,
Speaker 1: Like the best case scenario would be for you to
Speaker 1: abord the pregnancy.
Speaker 3: He's like, sorry, Catholic, you know they'll love to suffer.
Speaker 2: That's my theory why Ireland doesn't have more hot tubs,
Speaker 2: because that's like something I'm really passionate about because it's
Speaker 2: perfect hot tub weather. It's the only thing that can
Speaker 2: make that country better. And I think it's the Catholicism.
Speaker 3: Is the hot tubs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like they don't like their bodies or
Speaker 2: pleasure like being in warm But to me, I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's like perfect hot tub weather, like to be in
Speaker 2: the green mouinlair, warm water.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like my dream. It's we got to talk
Speaker 3: to ashling about this.
Speaker 1: We got to find out why there's not more hot
Speaker 1: You don't think I don't bring this up to every
Speaker 1: Irish person I meet, Kara, It's like, are they like, no,
Speaker 1: we just don't fuck with hot tubs or do they
Speaker 1: have any reasons?
Speaker 3: And you know they agree with me, but it's not
Speaker 3: even a thought there.
Speaker 2: One time I was in Ireland and it was during
Speaker 2: a heat wave, and so everyone every story I went
Speaker 2: into too, you know, I was walking around Dublin. Everyone's like,
Speaker 2: make sure you're drinking water. Oh so hot out there.
Speaker 2: I was in a denim. It was sixty degrees. That's
Speaker 2: a heat wave for them, like they were suffering boiling boiling,
Speaker 2: So hi, I don't really know because I've stayed at
Speaker 2: really cool hotels and like traveled all over and driven
Speaker 2: all over.
Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite places to be and I'm
Speaker 3: just like, God, if I could just come this place up, God,
Speaker 3: But no, they don't even think about it.
Speaker 2: So it's not even like they were They're like, oh what,
Speaker 2: because that's not even something they're thinking about. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just what I think about all the time. But but
Speaker 2: if I end up, hopefully one day owning home there,
Speaker 2: I will build a hot tub and I will start
Speaker 2: the trend. Anyways, back to here, we're going to doctor
Speaker 2: Morgan's office. So Finn and Lake are together and a
Speaker 2: woman asks them about their birth journey, like in the
Speaker 2: waiting room, and she's like, it's so hard for gay
Speaker 2: couples to adopt, you know, surrogacy, it must be the
Speaker 2: best option. And she's like, I can't believe they would
Speaker 2: rather kids be in orphanages than a good gay home.
Speaker 2: And you guys seem like a really nice couple to me.
Speaker 2: And she's like so smiley and sweet, and then Lake
Speaker 2: grabs like Finn's thigh really lovingly, and I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe some fanfic can be written, but he does. And
Speaker 2: then Finn, obviously homophobic, throws Lake's hand off, and so
Speaker 2: he does not want to pretend to be gay, and
Speaker 2: so then they go talk to the doc, who obviously
Speaker 2: wants his lawyer and like, is not going to start
Speaker 2: talking about this couple, and they're like, no, relax, we're
Speaker 2: not here about the lawsuit. Someone attacked and raped carin
Speaker 2: Nicholson last night, and that's what we care about. He
Speaker 2: is really hot, this doctor, but he's just like evil
Speaker 2: Stern and doesn't give a fuck. He goes, I go
Speaker 2: from work home, That's all I do. He's super defensive.
Speaker 2: He's like, there's no grounds for the fucking lawsuit because
Speaker 2: she did the amnio pass the abortion cut off. So
Speaker 2: it's like, what do you want and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we don't care again. We just like give us your
Speaker 2: DNA and then we'll be out of your hair. And
Speaker 2: he agrees to it like he has he's mad and
Speaker 2: has an attitude.
Speaker 3: He's like the.
Speaker 2: Nurse will come to a boockle, swab or buckle or
Speaker 2: whatever you say it. But I like that he's immediately
Speaker 2: giving up the DNA. So then Olivia and Chester, I guess,
Speaker 2: are in trial preps. So Finn and Stabler are gonna
Speaker 2: work together. Finn is on the phone with the lab
Speaker 2: and doctor Morgan is not a match, so they're like, okay,
Speaker 2: let's probably the dad, maybe a life insurance money. There's
Speaker 2: a big policy on carin half a million dollars. And
Speaker 2: the Munch is also like, well, we have no flight
Speaker 2: records either for him at all, so it's motive and opportunity,
Speaker 2: and we see footage of him going to the airport.
Speaker 2: He says bye to his wife and Katie, and then
Speaker 2: he leaves the terminal and gets in a cab immediately,
Speaker 2: so in and out, no flight. So now he's back
Speaker 2: in cemtroom bars. He doesn't want to answer any questions.
Speaker 2: He will not speak. Stabler and Finn are trying to
Speaker 2: get him to talk, and then bam, Dean porter FBI
Speaker 2: former guests of the podcast comes in, goes homeland security issue.
Speaker 2: You're not talking to him, go fuck yourself, FBI forever.
Speaker 2: So then basically the Patriot Act is more important than
Speaker 2: rape and murder to these people. So I also don't
Speaker 2: know any terrorists are being stopped all the time. But
Speaker 2: I also I think rape and murder is bad, Like
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know anything. So so
Speaker 2: Finn Stabler exchange annoid slow motion looks and then so
Speaker 2: now they have to figure shit out without him. Munch
Speaker 2: does a report on the guy, and Aidan Quinn has
Speaker 2: a master's from Penn and then a PhD in biocam
Speaker 2: engineering from Berkeley and aerosols are his specialty. So then
Speaker 2: Munch of course conspiracy theorying about anthrax, warfare, money, think tanks,
Speaker 2: gas masks, panic, you know, just all the buzzwords, and
Speaker 2: Sailor goes, okay, but why do the FEDS need him
Speaker 2: so badly? Munch goes, well, I'll keep digging, and Finn
Speaker 2: and Staylor go to meet Novak. She has bounce volume
Speaker 2: blowout in her red hair era and she does have
Speaker 2: a warrant for his DNA, which is awesome, but they
Speaker 2: have to take the DNA in public and.
Speaker 3: They can't ask any questions.
Speaker 2: Stabler wants to know when they can sit down with him,
Speaker 2: and she's like, babe, I'm working on it. In the meantime,
Speaker 2: she's like, go talk to every other single person in
Speaker 2: his life, like get to work, she says, treat him
Speaker 2: like a purp and maybe he'll come to you. And
Speaker 2: so now we're at Mercy General Hospital. The couple from
Speaker 2: the Center is there and the husband's like, bitch, we're intruding,
Speaker 2: Like we shouldn't be here. This is weird. And the
Speaker 2: woman is so nice. She's like, I just want to
Speaker 2: visit Carin. So Stabler and Finn ask what's up, and Ben,
Speaker 2: the husband aidan Quinn, I haven't said his name at
Speaker 2: all once.
Speaker 3: His name is Ben.
Speaker 2: So Ben is with her right now, and he's like,
Speaker 2: just talk to Ben at least, and the man says
Speaker 2: no and leaves his wife there. So the FBI is
Speaker 2: there as well, and they're like get out of here,
Speaker 2: and they go, well, we have a warrant for the DNA.
Speaker 2: So Stabler says, let's take this outside because they have
Speaker 2: to do it in public. So now there's a walk
Speaker 2: and talk through the hospit at all halls and Dean
Speaker 2: Porter goes, listen, this isn't your guy, and Stabler goes, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but like you wouldn't like lie to save your own investigation. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: So then the brunette curls and Aiden Quinn make eye
Speaker 2: contact and she says, why are you treating him this
Speaker 2: way when his wife was attacked? And Finn's like, well,
Speaker 2: it might be him that did it, but she doesn't
Speaker 2: believe it, and also can't believe that they like are
Speaker 2: just taking his DNA right there, like she's really protective
Speaker 2: of him. And then the doctor comes out and goes, listen,
Speaker 2: this is serious. Pieces of her sculler embedded deep in
Speaker 2: her left timp poral lobe swelling, and she's in a coma.
Speaker 2: We were not able to save the fetus either, dun dun.
Speaker 2: She was three months a long. He did not know
Speaker 2: she was pregnant, so he's struggling to grasp this information
Speaker 2: and deal with it in front of everyone. So he
Speaker 2: like walks off in a shock, and then Brown curls
Speaker 2: looks really really guilty and like, if that's her best friend,
Speaker 2: she might have known. So Finn is like, want to
Speaker 2: tell us something. She goes no, nothing, and they're like
Speaker 2: you have to say something if you know something thing,
Speaker 2: but she says sorry and runs off, and then the
Speaker 2: FBI says leave Ben alone or else. So Stabler is
Speaker 2: bitching at the office, and Novak did some sort of
Speaker 2: filing of emotion and the hearing is going to be tomorrow.
Speaker 3: They're getting nowhere.
Speaker 2: Nailing this guy so much, is like, just hit him
Speaker 2: where it hurts and let's go harass his young daughter.
Speaker 2: So Stabler goes, well, it didn't really work last time,
Speaker 2: and he says you weren't asking the right questions and
Speaker 2: Stabler swings his head around all offended, and Munch goes, well,
Speaker 2: I did research and talk to experts on her condition,
Speaker 2: and Craigan is the one normal person here and is like,
Speaker 2: I kind of feel uncomfortable. Going after a special needs
Speaker 2: child trying to screw over her father, and Novak's like, well,
Speaker 2: what other choice do we have? And I'm thinking look
Speaker 2: for another suspect. So anyway, so they're like, okay, Munch,
Speaker 2: what did you learn? So they're very empathetic kids like
Speaker 2: with Turner syndrome, and they study faces for emotional expressions.
Speaker 2: They're very sensitive, eager to please, affectionate, and savant skills
Speaker 2: like superhering and perf pitch and Stabler goes, yep, she
Speaker 2: covered her ears because of all the yelling, so she
Speaker 2: heard every word. Munch bets, but they confuse time and
Speaker 2: who said what? They just remember all the details, but
Speaker 2: like time eludes them. So Novak's like, well, well, like
Speaker 2: what we'll have to deal with on the stand and
Speaker 2: Munch goes, you know, anxiety add it's trouble taking criticism.
Speaker 3: And then Finn goes, well that sounds like you.
Speaker 2: And Finn says she can't lie to protect her dad
Speaker 2: and Munch says nope, Like they don't. They don't have
Speaker 2: any guile, is what Marsh says. Like, they're not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: They don't know what deception is. So they got to
Speaker 2: get her in here knock on his door. He says,
Speaker 2: get the hell away from my door. You have been
Speaker 2: thinking I tried to kill my wife. I'll kill you.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want them speaking to his daughter, and Novak
Speaker 2: threatens him while holding the door open. He's annoyed, but
Speaker 2: size and lets them in. Novak looks at Stabler like,
Speaker 2: aren't you glad it came with you?
Speaker 3: Loser?
Speaker 2: Katie remembers Fin and Elliott's names and happy to see them,
Speaker 2: and then hugs Casey Novak and then they all sit
Speaker 2: down for a chat. And what did you hear that night?
Speaker 2: And she heard you're ripping our family apart, and Aidan
Speaker 2: Quinn looks like really stress listening to this, And then
Speaker 2: I guess the mom screamed I hate you. And then
Speaker 2: she heard a slap and she claps her hands, and
Speaker 2: then she heard come here, baby, you smell good, and
Speaker 2: Aiden Quinn starts panicking and tearing up a little bit.
Speaker 3: And that wasn't her dad.
Speaker 2: He was at home at this portion of the listening,
Speaker 2: so the man wouldn't have been there. But she has
Speaker 2: heard this man's voice before, so that's something. And she
Speaker 2: always hears everything. And then she's heard come here, baby,
Speaker 2: you smell good, she repeats, and again she has perfect pitch,
Speaker 2: and she hears everything. And then she admits to her
Speaker 2: father about the man, and he said not to worry
Speaker 2: and everything will be fine. We're a family and we're
Speaker 2: going to stay together no matter what. The end was
Speaker 2: that clear whatever, This is everything she hears. She doesn't
Speaker 2: know who it is, but it's not Aiden Quinn. So
Speaker 2: then Aidan Quinn's head is in his own hands, and
Speaker 2: she runs to hug him, and then they hug, and
Speaker 2: so now they're all outside. So basically he knew about
Speaker 2: the cheating.
Speaker 3: So I was.
Speaker 1: Confused about this when I was watching too. When she
Speaker 1: hears the slap and you're ripping our family apart, and
Speaker 1: she says, that's my dad's voice. And then she hears
Speaker 1: the mom say I hate you. That is all a
Speaker 1: fight with her dad, right, But then the other voice,
Speaker 1: I come your baby, you smell good.
Speaker 3: That's a different voice. So do you think Aiden Quinn
Speaker 3: came home from the like his fake trip.
Speaker 1: They got into a fight and then he was circling
Speaker 1: the block and that's when this other person came in
Speaker 1: or or I thought maybe she was just oh the timelines,
Speaker 1: maybe it's different, yellings, Yeah, she's hearing a bunch of
Speaker 1: she's just telling you a bunch of different stuff she
Speaker 1: has heard, but she doesn't like know really when yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's really what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what it is. But he knew
Speaker 2: about the cheating, but they need to find evidence. Novak's like,
Speaker 2: can you just fucking find some evidence? Like circling the
Speaker 2: block is obviously shady as hell? Like what is up?
Speaker 2: So Casey goes to the courthouse and she's meeting with
Speaker 2: an assistant US attorney, Marian Springer, and she's.
Speaker 3: Like, I have nothing to talk to you about. What
Speaker 3: do you want.
Speaker 2: Casey goes, he tried to kill his wife and I
Speaker 2: can't figure out why you're shielding him. And she goes,
Speaker 2: if you had enough evidence, you would have arrested him.
Speaker 2: So he was with us, and she goes really the
Speaker 2: whole time, and she goes, yep, need to know.
Speaker 3: Novac goes, yeah, I need to know.
Speaker 2: There's a woman in a coma and she just hands
Speaker 2: over a paper with the Patriot Act and Casey walks
Speaker 2: off fuming, and the other woman goes save it for
Speaker 2: the judge. So now it's chaos at the priestinct. Everyone's confused,
Speaker 2: that's as to what's going on, including US. Feds won't
Speaker 2: budge and they have nothing else. So then Tina Parvin
Speaker 2: from the group has come to make a statement and
Speaker 2: this is my friend from the bar. Yes, and Lake
Speaker 2: and Benson sit with her, and she didn't know what
Speaker 2: to do. She couldn't believe that Ben would hurt Karen.
Speaker 2: But karenn was cheating. She was pregnant, and Ben didn't
Speaker 2: want more kids because he didn't want to take attention
Speaker 2: away from Katie. This is confusing too, so she did
Speaker 2: a DNC and then she was pissed when he got
Speaker 2: a a sexy me without telling her, so like she
Speaker 2: couldn't lie about it. But doesn't a DNC mean like
Speaker 2: terminating the hospital?
Speaker 3: So how it does? She said to be he is
Speaker 3: like a surgical abortion.
Speaker 2: So I wonder if she lied to her friend about
Speaker 2: having a DNC and then didn't do it. But yeah,
Speaker 2: why would she have a DNC if she wanted more
Speaker 2: kids but he didn't, Well, because maybe she had to
Speaker 2: get it because he had a sexymy so he would
Speaker 2: know it wasn't his. But she kept it and her
Speaker 2: best friend thinks she had a DNC, so I am confused.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she says, she.
Speaker 2: Doesn't know who she was sleeping with, but they're best
Speaker 2: friends and maybe like she thought that, like her friend
Speaker 2: wouldn't approve. Munch comes in and goes Krinn is conscious,
Speaker 2: so they go to talk to her and she is
Speaker 2: flipping out. She has all the way around head bandage,
Speaker 2: but it's like the top of the head too. It's
Speaker 2: like very upsetting to look at, to be honest, multiple
Speaker 2: medical professionals are holding her down and she's begging for
Speaker 2: them to please let her go, and then Benson and
Speaker 2: Lake arrive and straight up they're like, babe, you were attacked,
Speaker 2: give us scoop. And she keeps talking about Katie's surgery
Speaker 2: and how Katie is in surgery and she has to
Speaker 2: get to her daughter Katie, and she's like confused, that's
Speaker 2: what's happening. And Lake looks really scared looking at this.
Speaker 2: So the doctor drugs her to calm her down, and
Speaker 2: she explains how her head injuries are unpredictable and she
Speaker 2: might have retrograde amnesia, so depending on the damage to
Speaker 2: the frontal lobe, she might never get her memory back,
Speaker 2: and so she thinks it's six months.
Speaker 3: Ago and that's why she's so confused.
Speaker 2: But they're gonna do tests and figure it out, and
Speaker 2: the tests very fast. She's back and Carina knows who
Speaker 2: she is and like where she is, but not what
Speaker 2: day it is, and she thinks it's April two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven and there's no cure and there's no way
Speaker 2: what she will recall or not. She says, the husband
Speaker 2: won't return her calls, but like she needs friends and
Speaker 2: family around her.
Speaker 3: She's not going to be able to recover, so what
Speaker 3: are they gonna do?
Speaker 2: So now Casey's suddenly and is there as well, and
Speaker 2: now we want rushed to court. So then it's a
Speaker 2: judge his name's judge trying and the attorney General and
Speaker 2: Casey are arguing in front of the judge and she's like,
Speaker 2: I'm on the attorney general side though, like you need
Speaker 2: to find evidence, like I hate what they want, like
Speaker 2: all this stuff.
Speaker 3: When it's like, but you do need evidence, like.
Speaker 1: You have you guys know how the law works, Like
Speaker 1: if this is all circumstantial, you need evidence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the appeal is denied. The judge is like,
Speaker 2: you got to get more evidence, and then I'll reconsider,
Speaker 2: but you guys are not doing a good job. When
Speaker 2: they walk outside, Casey says, I hope this bastard is
Speaker 2: worth it to the attorney general. And they're like, Ben
Speaker 2: Nicholson is a biochemical engineering specialist, and Casey's like, okay,
Speaker 2: in what like is that secret too? And she explains
Speaker 2: he's bait and he works for an international corporation, and
Speaker 2: Casey suddenly is like, oh, I get it. So it's
Speaker 2: a sting operation and diminishing what she says. And she
Speaker 2: responds that if buyers from roganations try to buy trade secrets,
Speaker 2: I've done my job. So, like she goes, there's a
Speaker 2: terror on every corner, you just don't know about it,
Speaker 2: and they're using him as bait in an international corporation
Speaker 2: to steal secret I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I think if you also do biochemical engineering,
Speaker 1: they get worried about terrorists approaching you to get possibly
Speaker 1: like biochemical weapons, you know, like and those are so
Speaker 1: scary of like you know, saren in a subway that
Speaker 1: kills hundreds of people in want like when they're trapped
Speaker 1: or something like that. You know, so, and there have
Speaker 1: been attacks like that, So I think maybe that's what
Speaker 1: she's talking about, like why he would be like why
Speaker 1: he would be like a desirable person for a terrorist
Speaker 1: organization to approach.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, So so he's the bait. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I got it. Can't the terrorists get their own biomedical people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Casey's at a center, the Center precinct, and she's
Speaker 2: explaining what seems obvious, like they need physical evidence to
Speaker 2: link him to the crime or he is off limits,
Speaker 2: like I don't know.
Speaker 3: So then Munch comes in.
Speaker 2: With a middlea folder and the DNA is back and
Speaker 2: Nicholson did not rape her. And it's actually the best
Speaker 2: friend's husband, so the OZ guy so and he's Marine
Speaker 2: reserved Joel Parvin, So Tina's husband. So she is fucking
Speaker 2: her best friend's husband. Ooh, and he's in cement room
Speaker 2: bars so fucking fast and he goes nothing happened, and
Speaker 2: they say, well, Karen Nicholson might disagree with you on
Speaker 2: that one. He's like, I was with her that night
Speaker 2: and she told him about the baby and they got
Speaker 2: into a fight because she was going to keep it.
Speaker 2: But like again the DNC, I'm so confused. So then
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, so then you bashed her head in.
Speaker 2: Stabler leans into his face and he goes, you guys
Speaker 2: have it all wrong. Yeah, I was angry. My wife
Speaker 2: and me started to work things out again, and he says,
Speaker 2: you don't know what it's like, and Benson goes, please
Speaker 2: don't use your son as an excuse. You slept with
Speaker 2: your wife's friend and you got her pregnant. And he
Speaker 2: says when they started, they were both separated, but they
Speaker 2: just couldn't stop. He went there to make a clean break,
Speaker 2: but then they fucked and he did not hit her.
Speaker 2: She was fine when he left around eleven PM and
Speaker 2: he went home and he says, arrest me because you
Speaker 2: can't keep me. Like he goes, arrest me or not,
Speaker 2: but like, I know you can't keep me here. So
Speaker 2: what are they gonna do? They suggest a voice lineup
Speaker 2: to do with Katie. Casey goes, well, she's disabled, it
Speaker 2: won't hold up in court. But Stable goes, well, she's
Speaker 2: not stupid, and Craigan says she's an emotional rollercoaster, like
Speaker 2: is she going to break in the cross And Benson's like, listen,
Speaker 2: let's just see if she makes the id. So they
Speaker 2: put her through that. It's a voice lineup and she
Speaker 2: clocks him immediately with his dumb accent. He's like, it's
Speaker 2: not a dumb accent. He's just like very East Coast,
Speaker 2: I would say. So Chauncey is the lawyer, and he
Speaker 2: gives attitude immediately like oh or with a slow girl.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, well she idd your client, so figure
Speaker 2: it out. He's like she's not credible, and he calls
Speaker 2: it a waste of time, and she can't say what happened,
Speaker 2: and she keeps going with what she heard and the
Speaker 2: so she's now explaining everything she heard. I want to
Speaker 2: baby that can grow up, be normal. That's what I
Speaker 2: want too. Damn bad, you're breaking up my home, you
Speaker 2: selfish bitch. Then she heard ow, let.
Speaker 3: Go, you're hurting me.
Speaker 2: Then bam, mom was crying bam, bam bam, then breathing
Speaker 2: bitch in a low voice, and then he went away.
Speaker 2: But like then she goes, but that's the wrong word,
Speaker 2: Like that's not what it means, right, is it, dad?
Speaker 3: And then she goes the end.
Speaker 2: So then Stabler's eyes are really big and he leans
Speaker 2: down and is like, Katie is the man in the
Speaker 2: other room who said all that She goes, no, that's
Speaker 2: not him, and they're like, so you're sure the voices
Speaker 2: are different. She's like, yep, the pitch is too low.
Speaker 2: So now Chauncey is smug and everyone's confused. And then
Speaker 2: you know, Aiden Quinn hugs and kisses her daughter his daughter,
Speaker 2: and then the son is there to meet his dad
Speaker 2: and Katie gives him a dirty look, goes right up
Speaker 2: to the sun and goes, you use the wrong word.
Speaker 3: Bitch is a female dog. And it's dramatic music.
Speaker 2: Everyone mouth is open and shock, and Stabler says, are
Speaker 2: you sure, and Katie goes, my mother is not a bitch,
Speaker 2: and dad is like, what the hell did you do?
Speaker 3: And so this is the blonde son.
Speaker 2: A stating story, so like he has the long blonde hair,
Speaker 2: he's the Parvin's son. So Stabler takes the blonde son
Speaker 2: who has a full bob and Dad says, don't say anything,
Speaker 2: and I'll get you out as soon as I can.
Speaker 2: So then Aidan Quinn looks so pissed, and he comes
Speaker 2: back late at night to talk to Stabler alone, who's
Speaker 2: late night avoiding his family. Of course, like you could
Speaker 2: do paperwork on the couch. How teachers grade papers. So
Speaker 2: then Stabler's like, is everything all right? And it's like,
Speaker 2: I know, there's the saying that there aren't stupid questions,
Speaker 2: but like asking Aid and Quinn if everything's all right
Speaker 2: is like kind of psychotic. No, he's going through a lot.
Speaker 2: He's going through a lotta Why did he attack Karen?
Speaker 2: And he has a lawyer, so he's not talking, And
Speaker 2: then Aiden Quinn sighs and falls. He was hoping there
Speaker 2: was a confession so Katie didn't have to testify. So
Speaker 2: the Parvins have separated a bunch of times before, and
Speaker 2: the son followed his dad and went into the apartment
Speaker 2: after his father left from like I guess fucking and
Speaker 2: fighting this woman.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: But Katie is the only witness to all of this,
Speaker 2: and not even really it's just like a hearing an
Speaker 2: auditory witness. But like he just people just don't want
Speaker 2: her in the stand. Everyone just does not want her
Speaker 2: on the stand. Basically, they just know Chauncey is gonna
Speaker 2: like fucking go after her, so tough. So then Stabler
Speaker 2: says he promises that he's gonna shield the daughter from
Speaker 2: as much as possible, and he says thank you when
Speaker 2: he leaves. Stabler is so stressed by all of this.
Speaker 2: And now we're at the swear ability hearing and it's
Speaker 2: Judge Petrovsky. Hell yeah, and they're gonna see if Katie
Speaker 2: can be a reliable witness in court. And Shauncey says,
Speaker 2: it's a waste of time. She's severely disabled, and Casey's like, okay,
Speaker 2: disabled or not, she clearly heard everything that happened and
Speaker 2: I did the defendant. And the judge goes, well, that
Speaker 2: seems reasonable, and so let's get this girl here and
Speaker 2: see what's up. But she's not here, and Chauncey goes, well,
Speaker 2: we gave her the date and time, and it's like
Speaker 2: it's a kid, Like it's her parents.
Speaker 3: You can't blame the kid for not showing up to court.
Speaker 2: She's not driving there, she can't like take the sixth train,
Speaker 2: like it's so crazy. But where is the dad and daughter?
Speaker 2: Either way, it's an issue no one knows. The judge
Speaker 2: gives them twenty four hours to find them, so like,
Speaker 2: is it deaf? Yeah, So Stabler is now talking to
Speaker 2: Dean Porter and he calls Stabler a bastard and also
Speaker 2: says we don't have him either.
Speaker 3: He's off the grid, so I'm pretty worried about where
Speaker 3: he is.
Speaker 2: There's work he needs to be doing and people he
Speaker 2: needs to meet, and instead he's protecting his daughter from you.
Speaker 2: And he's like, you think I like this, and Dean goes,
Speaker 2: I mean, what would you do in his place? And
Speaker 2: obviously Elliott can put himself in the shoes of this
Speaker 2: man and goes, yes, I would hide her in the
Speaker 2: last place anybody would look. And Dean says, if you
Speaker 2: find him, let me know, and Stable goes, uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: he'll be my first call. So we find Tina Parvin
Speaker 2: and she used her bank card and so that's how
Speaker 2: Stabler found her. She denies knowing where anyone is, and
Speaker 2: Stabler goes like, I know what's up. I know you're
Speaker 2: protecting his daughter and he's protecting your son, and that's
Speaker 2: what you guys are doing. So and she calls him
Speaker 2: crazy and tries to talk like, walk it off, talk
Speaker 2: it off. Sabor's you know she's doing court to testify
Speaker 2: against your son Alex. If you refuse, then you're an
Speaker 2: accessory and you're guilty of obstruction. She stops walking and
Speaker 2: Ben went to meet someone, and Katy is with Andrew
Speaker 2: and her sister. So back in court, Katie's on the stand.
Speaker 2: She knows what what truth means. She understands the concept
Speaker 2: of punishment. She's so cute, and Casey's like, have you
Speaker 2: ever told a lie? And she said that, like she
Speaker 2: ate a girl cheese that she hated but said she
Speaker 2: liked it, so she's like honest, and then Judge Petrovski gavels,
Speaker 2: but it's so loud that Katie screams and Casey's like, hey,
Speaker 2: hello her hearing and Judge is so cute and she's like,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: She goes, that's okay, can I get a hug?
Speaker 1: And Judge brut He's like no, really confused, and then.
Speaker 3: Like such a funny reaction. I love it.
Speaker 2: It's so cute because then she goes, well maybe later,
Speaker 2: you know, I really I love Judge Petrovsky and I
Speaker 2: love this moment. So Casey is like, did you hear
Speaker 2: the man in the bedroom say anything else? She goes yeah,
Speaker 2: and then she's like, oh yeah, well, you know, like
Speaker 2: people are fucking and Katie heard it, and the judge goes,
Speaker 2: that's enough. Katie, So Alex argued and hit her mother,
Speaker 2: and she asks her how she knew the difference between
Speaker 2: their voices, and she goes, the father is an even tempo,
Speaker 2: large pitch and deep timber. Alex is fast tempo, high
Speaker 2: pitch and medium timber. And she goes, I know what
Speaker 2: I heard the end, and then Casey says thank you.
Speaker 2: Sabler's in the hall and Aiden finally comes and they
Speaker 2: have a back and forth, and then Sablor says, well,
Speaker 2: Katie isn't as weak as you think she is, which
Speaker 2: is psycho to say to a parent. And he goes, oh,
Speaker 2: because you're an expert now, like it's crazy, and he goes, no,
Speaker 2: I just know a liar when I see one, and
Speaker 2: he goes, what like he gets so defensive, and Saber's like,
Speaker 2: I don't think you're worried about your daughter. I think
Speaker 2: you're worried about yourself. And he screams the defense attorney
Speaker 2: is going to rip her to shreds. And mister Parvin
Speaker 2: has a kid with William syndrome two. He knows exactly
Speaker 2: how to push the buttons of my daughter. And he says,
Speaker 2: you left your daughter with the parven not to protect
Speaker 2: your daughter. He responds, you don't know what you're talking about,
Speaker 2: and Stable goes, well, I know that the FEDS are
Speaker 2: looking for you, and you fell off the grid and
Speaker 2: you took a meeting without them knowing about it, and
Speaker 2: he's so smug, and Aiden goes, not everything I do
Speaker 2: is their business. And there's a twinkle in Stabler's eye
Speaker 2: and he's like, yeah, so you got all this cash
Speaker 2: for the Cabby even though you're bankrupt. So what's going on?
Speaker 2: Like what are you doing? Where are you getting this money?
Speaker 2: Who are you meeting for? And it made Stabler wonder,
Speaker 2: and he said, you can wonder all you want, but
Speaker 2: don't question the love I have for my daughter. And
Speaker 2: he says everyone has an excuse, but if I were you,
Speaker 2: I would think of a better one for the FBI.
Speaker 2: He gets up to leave as Dean Porter enterers and
Speaker 2: Dean goes, thanks for the heads up, So, like, I
Speaker 2: guess he did help the FBI, which is crazy. So
Speaker 2: then Chauncey's gonna again rip this girl apart, and he's
Speaker 2: trying to trick her, asking like what she did two
Speaker 2: days ago and three days ago? Casey of Jack's badgering,
Speaker 2: he says, these are simple questions. If she can't answer these,
Speaker 2: what she going to do in trial? And it is overruled.
Speaker 2: And then the next question is what time was your
Speaker 2: mother attacked? And she says bedtime. She was in her nightgown,
Speaker 2: and he goes, no, its way later than that. Did
Speaker 2: you see his face? She was, of course not, she
Speaker 2: was under the bed. Have you seen Alex before? Yes,
Speaker 2: so why didn't you tell anyone he hurt your mother?
Speaker 2: And she starts to cry and goes, you're upsetting me,
Speaker 2: Go away, and he asks that the cops ask you
Speaker 2: over and over again who did it? And the camera
Speaker 2: pans to Elliott, who takes a deep breath of annoyance,
Speaker 2: and then Chauncey's continues like, you're just saying whatever to
Speaker 2: please miss Novak, right, that's why you said he did it,
Speaker 2: and he is like people with William syndrome are willing
Speaker 2: to do and say whatever people want to hear, and
Speaker 2: Casey says she has not changed her story, not once,
Speaker 2: and then despite counsel attempt to badger and confuse her,
Speaker 2: he goes, you want us to believe she heard all
Speaker 2: that under a bed, like through walls and closed doors,
Speaker 2: and Casey's like and I could prove she did it
Speaker 2: and heard every single word, and it's.
Speaker 3: Like, then, why did you do it?
Speaker 2: Like obviously it's because it's a TV show, but like,
Speaker 2: do it before the cross? Why does this girl have
Speaker 2: to suffer? So Casey gives Chauncey and jose Petrovsky a
Speaker 2: piece of paper with three questions and sees if she
Speaker 2: can hear them correctly. So well, basically she so, Casey
Speaker 2: holds her hand in front of her face and whispers
Speaker 2: super super softly the questions that are on the sheet
Speaker 2: of paper. Did Alex hurt your mother? Why did he
Speaker 2: hurt her? And did anyone tell you what to say
Speaker 2: in court? And the plan is working and Shauncey and
Speaker 2: Petrovsky look at Casey at the same time as like
Speaker 2: you know, she answered, like the girl is answering. She goes, yes,
Speaker 2: Alex hurt my mother. She was hurting his family because
Speaker 2: she was having a baby. Yes, my dad said don't
Speaker 2: tell anybody about getting money from mister Kim so we
Speaker 2: can go away. And Casey goes, who's mister Kim And
Speaker 2: then Stabler leans in and she says, he brings my
Speaker 2: dad money. In a briefcase, the end, she revealed some
Speaker 2: secrets about her father. So then Stabler walks to Aidan Quinn,
Speaker 2: who's at the hospital while his wife's in her room
Speaker 2: behind glass and full bandage is still Alex Parvin made
Speaker 2: a deal to avoid trial. Katie won't have to testify,
Speaker 2: and he says, that's a relief. He goes, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: sure she won't have to reveal any more secrets in court.
Speaker 2: He goes, I don't fucking care. The FBI owns me
Speaker 2: now matter.
Speaker 1: It is pretty funny to have a guy being your
Speaker 1: informant for the FBI who has a daughter with perfect
Speaker 1: pitch who can hear everything you're saying from like another room,
Speaker 1: you know, Like you'd have to bring on a sound
Speaker 1: proof room.
Speaker 3: Like that's a liability, I think.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, Like if you need perfect vision to
Speaker 1: be a pilot, you can't have a girl with like
Speaker 1: Turner syndrome in your family if you want to have
Speaker 1: like world secrets.
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, duh. They cut you a deal like
Speaker 3: any common thief. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You testify and you don't have to go to prison,
Speaker 2: and he goes, I turned him in already. I just
Speaker 2: took the money and I didn't, you know, tell the feds.
Speaker 2: It's a big woop. But like I turned mister kim in,
Speaker 2: Sablor gets in really close to him, looks around and says,
Speaker 2: must have been an awful lot of cash free to
Speaker 2: take a chance like that. What did you sell? And
Speaker 2: he says it's a prototype for a new dispersion system,
Speaker 2: Like Stabler would even fucking understand what that is. So
Speaker 2: they're gonna find out soon enough it doesn't work. Stabler
Speaker 2: furrows his brow. You took a lot of risk for nothing,
Speaker 2: and he goes, well, it wouldn't have been a problem
Speaker 2: if Katie didn't repeat everything she heard. And so then
Speaker 2: Stabler asks, how's your wife and he says, soon to
Speaker 2: be ex wife, and you know, but she is doing
Speaker 2: well enough to be discharged. Katie is with her mom
Speaker 2: right now and they're talking to a nurse behind him,
Speaker 2: and he says, where is she gonna go? And he goes,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't care, I don't give a fuck,
Speaker 2: and he says, you know, she doesn't remember the affair,
Speaker 2: losing the baby, any of it, and he laughs and goes,
Speaker 2: isn't that convenient?
Speaker 3: Like what a villain turn? I really didn't see it's coming.
Speaker 2: And then he goes, all right, Katie, let's go, and
Speaker 2: Katie says, okay, Mommy, let's go and starts pushing the
Speaker 2: wheelchair and he says, no, Katie, we talked about this.
Speaker 2: She's not going anywhere with us, and Katie is fighting
Speaker 2: him as he grabs and drags her away, and she's
Speaker 2: screaming like dad, dad, and the mom's confused. She has
Speaker 2: no idea what's going on and gets up, going why
Speaker 2: won't you talk to me?
Speaker 3: Why can't I come home?
Speaker 2: Please, don't walk away like everyone's crying, Ben.
Speaker 3: Why can't I come home? She screams.
Speaker 2: And he's dragging Katie as she keeps screaming, stop daddy,
Speaker 2: And it's like, can you at least tell her, like, listen,
Speaker 2: you cheated on me, you were pregnant with another's baby,
Speaker 2: Like I don't really want to be with you, Like
Speaker 2: why won't he talk to her so to tell her nothing?
Speaker 2: Grab her daughter as she's getting out of a traumatic
Speaker 2: brain injury is so fucked up. Karina is sobbing, Katie
Speaker 2: is screaming. Stabler is pissed, and that's dick Wolf baby Creary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a messy ending. I mean, like she's gonna
Speaker 1: get custody of Katie. Like you don't lose child custody
Speaker 1: for having an affair, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the one that like broke the law and
Speaker 2: is in the FBI and has to try Yeah, and is.
Speaker 3: An FBI informant. It's not exactly a safe environment for
Speaker 3: a child.
Speaker 1: Okay, But why I get that she cheated, but like
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's a hard ending. Okay.
Speaker 1: So this is a case that I don't think I've
Speaker 1: ever heard of before.
Speaker 3: And it's a wild one.
Speaker 1: It has some elements of what we see and this
Speaker 1: has for you, but not not.
Speaker 3: It's not a apples to apples at all. Okay.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this case happened two years before this episode
Speaker 1: came out, so there are some, you know, influences, but
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's like exactly same storyline like we
Speaker 1: sometimes see. So in January of two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: Michelle Nice, who is aged thirty four, is found dead
Speaker 1: in her still running SUV a mile from her home
Speaker 1: in central New Jersey. It's a snowy night, it seems
Speaker 1: to everybody like her car skid it off the road.
Speaker 1: On ice or snow, and it went down this embankment
Speaker 1: into a creek at the bottom. Okay, there's a suitcase
Speaker 1: in the car filled with clothes, so she was on
Speaker 1: her way to stay somewhere.
Speaker 3: Who knows.
Speaker 1: But one weird thing that the police find our footprints
Speaker 1: in the snow going from the passenger side of the
Speaker 1: car up to the road. So and Michelle also had
Speaker 1: this super gnarly head injury, more serious it seems, than
Speaker 1: one that would be sustained in a car accident. So
Speaker 1: to this detective named Dan mchown, he said, it didn't
Speaker 1: look like a car accident.
Speaker 3: It looked like murder. So that's like what he thought.
Speaker 1: So Michelle's background is she is She's Filipina. She's a
Speaker 1: Filipina immigrant, the wife of a local pharmaceutical executive and
Speaker 1: entrepreneur named doctor Jonathan Nice. They had three children together
Speaker 1: and lived in a gated community in Hopewell Township, New Jersey.
Speaker 1: So this is like a central part of New Jersey
Speaker 1: that I actually don't really know a lot about. But
Speaker 1: detective McEwan when he saw this woman in the car,
Speaker 1: he knew exactly who she was right away because the
Speaker 1: previous summer doctor Nice had filed her husband, doctor Knics,
Speaker 1: had filed a complaint. And by the way, he's a PhD.
Speaker 1: Just less anyone think he's like a medical doctor. He's
Speaker 1: a PhD, which is still hard to get. But and
Speaker 1: he had found a complaint with the police about a
Speaker 1: man stalking his wife, Michelle. So when he found the wife,
Speaker 1: he immediately calls doctor Nice and he tells the detective
Speaker 1: that he hasn't seen his wife since four PM the
Speaker 1: day of the accident, and that when he left her,
Speaker 1: she was getting ready for her job selling Chanelle at Macy's.
Speaker 1: So a little backstory about this couple, and I don't
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 3: Nice is like this dorky loser.
Speaker 1: He's working as a college professor in like North Carolina.
Speaker 3: He's thirty nine. The article I read on NBC.
Speaker 1: News said, quote an acquaintance steered him toward a friend, Comma,
Speaker 1: a teenager living in the Philippines who'd been advertising in
Speaker 1: a newspaper for a pen pal.
Speaker 3: So who the.
Speaker 1: Acquaintance is friends with the Philippine teenager? Like, I don't
Speaker 1: understand that, but it sounds very sketchy, much like our
Speaker 1: don't trust a man who goes on vacation alone, Like
Speaker 1: you're trying to pen pal some random teen in the Philippines, Like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: So they start a pen pal. I can't think of
Speaker 3: a more shady sentence, to be honest.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I think she's eighteen when they start pen paling,
Speaker 1: or nineteen. She's eighteen at least, though still like we
Speaker 1: always s just because you're a hair over legal doesn't
Speaker 1: really make it less creepy to me. So they start
Speaker 1: pen paling. He goes to the Philippines to meet her,
Speaker 1: and within a few weeks they've gotten married. In the Philippines,
Speaker 1: she is okay, sorry, they're nineteen when they first start corresponding.
Speaker 1: When they get married, he's forty and she's twenty. Okay,
Speaker 1: But he also lied to her about his age by
Speaker 1: nine years, so she thinks she's twenty marrying a thirty
Speaker 1: one year old. She's marrying a foty year old okay.
Speaker 1: She doesn't find out until years later that he's been
Speaker 1: lying about his age. So back in the US, he
Speaker 1: becomes pretty successful, like developing drugs and treatments, and he
Speaker 1: has a job at a pharmaceutical company, which I'm assuming
Speaker 1: that's kind of where the biotech pharmaceuticals.
Speaker 3: Some of this comes into play, and.
Speaker 1: You know, they have a nice they have like a
Speaker 1: house that's over a million dollars. She's wearing really nice clothes.
Speaker 1: Her friends are like, she's living her dream. She's got
Speaker 1: a great life. And they have three kids together. But
Speaker 1: then she starts having an affair with a gardener at
Speaker 1: their house named Enyo.
Speaker 3: That's his nickname.
Speaker 1: His real name is Miguel de Jess, who's aged thirty five.
Speaker 1: So when the business success started to cool off, like
Speaker 1: a bunch of the treatments for like asthma and stuff
Speaker 1: he was working on actually failed once they people were
Speaker 1: all excited about them and he was raising millions of
Speaker 1: dollars to get and then these treatments like failed in
Speaker 1: their trials. So he like loses a bunch of his
Speaker 1: success at work. He gets fired from his company, and
Speaker 1: then he becomes a stay at home dad. He writes
Speaker 1: a book of poems for children. Famously, children love poetry.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's Shelle Silverstein. I feel like there's Shelle Silverstein,
Speaker 1: and like that's it, Like I don't really think we
Speaker 1: there's like a lot of others, but.
Speaker 3: Then they never got published.
Speaker 1: His book of poems, and so now he's like, wants
Speaker 1: to be a stay at home dad. He's home all
Speaker 1: the time. And Michelle's annoyed. She's like got to move
Speaker 1: her rendezvous with her lover to motels. And the article
Speaker 1: I was reading calls the motels hot sheet motels. I've
Speaker 1: never heard that hot sheets motels, which obviously got me
Speaker 1: at hour. So I'll just go to fucking leave, which
Speaker 1: I just don't like hot sheets. I don't like the
Speaker 1: sound of hot sheets. But doctor Nice has no idea
Speaker 1: that this affair is going on until he says one
Speaker 1: day he got a call and the guy on the
Speaker 1: line says, I have something you need to listen to,
Speaker 1: and then plays a tape of Michelle having sex with someone,
Speaker 1: and he could tell it was her by her distinctive voice,
Speaker 1: and he said that the guy.
Speaker 3: On the tape said her name as well.
Speaker 1: So then the caller hangs up, calls right back and
Speaker 1: asks for five hundred thousand dollars or he'll release the footage,
Speaker 1: audio and video. So Nice goes to the cops and
Speaker 1: the FBI about this extortion attempt, and that's how he
Speaker 1: becomes aware of Detective Dan McEwan who has now later
Speaker 1: found the wife's body, and he investigated this blackmail situation,
Speaker 1: and Michelle eventually admitted to her affair, but she said
Speaker 1: she'd broken it off when En you know, started like
Speaker 1: demanding money and stalking her. This sounds to me like
Speaker 1: it could be what she was just telling the authorities.
Speaker 1: And her husband be like, oh no, I broke it off.
Speaker 1: I broke it up, but it was still happening. So
Speaker 1: he ends up getting a restraining order against his wife's lover.
Speaker 1: I don't know how because I think you have to
Speaker 1: prove that they've been doing something wrong and.
Speaker 3: Fucking your wife.
Speaker 1: I don't think entitles you to a restraining order, but
Speaker 1: you know, it's not great, but it's not like a
Speaker 1: legal behavior. So doctor Knight, after his wife's body is found,
Speaker 1: Doctor NICs tells the investigator mcewn like, this is like
Speaker 1: things have been going so well between us, and then
Speaker 1: he goes, we were barely ever fighting, you know, except
Speaker 1: for when she talked about walking out or like leaving me,
Speaker 1: And they go, okay, when was that last fight? And
Speaker 1: he goes, last night and so doune done, Like that's
Speaker 1: the night Michelle died. And it's like dude, you said
Speaker 1: you saw her at four o'clock when she was going
Speaker 1: to work. But now you're like admitting that you fought
Speaker 1: that night, So like it's confusing. So they interrogated him
Speaker 1: again and he finally spills. Doctor Knics claims that Michelle
Speaker 1: tried to kill him in the garage, that she came
Speaker 1: home that night from one of her trysts with Enyo.
Speaker 3: In a rage, she called her husband age, I do
Speaker 3: like that name, Enyo. M hmm, it's cute.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I known't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, can't you imagine me with a little kind
Speaker 2: of furry little dog named Enyo?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't. Actually you're Enyo. I gotta take Nyo
Speaker 1: to the vat. Yeah, I I can see it. So
Speaker 1: he alleges that his wife called him a fucking freak
Speaker 1: quote unquote, and then lunged at him using a stiletto
Speaker 1: for a knife, Like I know stiletto's are sharp, but
Speaker 1: they're not actually razor sharp, like you, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You can only do so much damage. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know you could, like I guess you could like impale
Speaker 1: someone in the.
Speaker 3: Head with one. I've seen that in a movie, like
Speaker 3: a white female. Well, yeah, but you can like pop
Speaker 3: an eyeball.
Speaker 1: I think, oh yeah, yeah, but like that she was
Speaker 1: like lunging at him with a stiletto. I mean, she's
Speaker 1: a much smaller woman than him. She's very tiny, he's
Speaker 1: very big. Like, I don't know, I don't know that
Speaker 1: I'm buying the story from the job.
Speaker 2: I think there was a did that Atlantic crime have
Speaker 2: a heel or there was evidence remember that dude who
Speaker 2: was like.
Speaker 1: A oh, there was one that somebody got stabbed multiple
Speaker 1: times out the weapon was a siletto. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But I think that's once they're incapacitated with the Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But he also reported that she fell
Speaker 1: out of the car and hit her head on the
Speaker 1: concrete floor of the garage, but continue to thrash around,
Speaker 1: at which point he pounded her head into the floor
Speaker 1: to you know, get control of her, as you do
Speaker 1: when someone's thrashing, you just slam their head into a
Speaker 1: concrete floor of a garage, And that's when he realized
Speaker 1: she was dead. Then he decides that to make it
Speaker 1: look like an accident, he wanted to make it look
Speaker 1: like she was driving the car, so he puts her
Speaker 1: in the driver's seat, of the car and drives a
Speaker 1: mile down the road, controlling the gas and breaks of
Speaker 1: the car with an ice scraper, like the thing that
Speaker 1: scrapes the eye off your car. He's like, she's in
Speaker 1: the car and I don't know how he's steering the
Speaker 1: wheel and using this ice scraper to use to press
Speaker 1: on the gas and press on the brake. Like truly
Speaker 1: weakened at Bernie's hilarity. Almost if it wasn't like a
Speaker 1: wilandife becomes her. I mean, when does that happen and
Speaker 1: death becomes her?
Speaker 2: Well, you don't see it, but that was like the plan,
Speaker 2: as they have like a little act out. So the
Speaker 2: plan was to like send her off a cliff just
Speaker 2: being another drunk driver.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, boy, I love that movie. So, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not buying any of this shit. Doctor
Speaker 1: Nice was charged with murder. He pled not guilty, and
Speaker 1: his he pled not guilty on the grounds that it
Speaker 1: was an accident. Okay, So he was also charged with
Speaker 1: the lesser charge of tampering with evidence, which is moving
Speaker 1: her dead body and sending it off of a fucking embankment.
Speaker 1: Nice's lawyer, Robin Lord, argues that he did not murder
Speaker 1: his wife, and that they can't prove that he did.
Speaker 1: And she paints this picture of Michelle as a slut
Speaker 1: who is ignoring her kids so she can go and
Speaker 1: have all these affairs. And she also claimed that Michelle
Speaker 1: and Enyo had worked together to extort doctor Knice, that
Speaker 1: she was like behind the extortion attempt with the call,
Speaker 1: the phone call and everything. She said Michelle wanted out
Speaker 1: of the marriage, she wanted to make some money on
Speaker 1: her way out. But if Michelle's injuries were the results
Speaker 1: of an accident, people are wondering, like, why didn't he
Speaker 1: call for help, Like, instead, you hatch this insane plan
Speaker 1: to like make it look like a car crash.
Speaker 3: And his lawyer, his lawyer goes, oh, well he panicked.
Speaker 3: He's not proud of it.
Speaker 1: And his lawyer tried to argue, don't forget he's a
Speaker 1: successful pharma guy, Like if he wanted her dead, he
Speaker 1: would have concocted a drug to kill her, like if
Speaker 1: that was his plan, and he probably could have found
Speaker 1: a drug that would be like untraceable, like undetectable in
Speaker 1: her system. So if that's like, but that doesn't that
Speaker 1: only argues against a premeditated murder. He could have easily
Speaker 1: killed her in rage, right. Prosecutor Doris Galucci tried to.
Speaker 2: I didn't know this, but you know my guy, David Wilson.
Speaker 2: I watched some new more criminology videos from him, and
Speaker 2: he said, like this is in the UK. He's English,
Speaker 2: but that most murders are just like two guys fighting
Speaker 2: at a bar and killing one another.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: He says, that's majority, Like we focus on the serial
Speaker 2: killers and all these things, but he goes, most murders
Speaker 2: are like ten seconds of.
Speaker 1: Rage and domestic I would say domestic violence like men
Speaker 1: walking in on their wives cheating and then murdering them immediately.
Speaker 3: Stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was just saying it's like he made he
Speaker 2: said it so well, but it's like proving your manhood
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, that are versions of like what we
Speaker 2: think of manhood is so stupid where it's like and
Speaker 2: it's same with serial killers and all these killers. You know,
Speaker 2: it's a loss of power. It's losers trying to gain
Speaker 2: power in this world. And so it's the same kind
Speaker 2: of concept, like it's two guys fighting at a bar
Speaker 2: and it's one of them being like I need to
Speaker 2: earn my manhood back, and he just says, so many
Speaker 2: people get murdered because of just drunk.
Speaker 1: And so much and more important than your freedom too,
Speaker 1: which is wild, Like you know, you're if you're like
Speaker 1: in a bar fight or you're in any of the
Speaker 1: like a lot of the times, it's like you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna get caught. It's like you're not even thinking
Speaker 1: about how your your manhood is more important than your freedom,
Speaker 1: your life, kids, you have at home, any anything you
Speaker 1: have else going on.
Speaker 3: It's like gotta prove my manhood.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, and I don't know how waste you are
Speaker 2: the angry yeah, he says, it's like low like just
Speaker 2: I mean, what I love about him is how much
Speaker 2: he talks about just like.
Speaker 3: Men like toxic masculinity and grime.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but like because at least with premeditated, with
Speaker 2: a plan, you know what's you know, like right, but
Speaker 2: can you just say or maybe you just want to
Speaker 2: punch someone but they fall.
Speaker 3: And they're dead and now that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I've never been in a physical fight,
Speaker 2: knock on wood, I hope I never am.
Speaker 3: But like, but it's linked the.
Speaker 1: Same question we always have too, which is like okay,
Speaker 1: your wife's gonna leave, just get divorced, Like why are
Speaker 1: you gonna kill her?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Man, but it's manhood, right, Like it's like you don't
Speaker 1: need to do that, or you and you're you're egotistical
Speaker 1: enough that you think you're gonna get away with it,
Speaker 1: and you're probably not, although I'm sure many have. Uh
Speaker 1: and wait until we get to the end of this story,
Speaker 1: because it's not great, so uh. Prosecutor Doris Galucci love
Speaker 1: her name, tried to steer the jury away from Michelle's
Speaker 1: affair and more towards doctor Knight's brutally murdering murdering her
Speaker 1: like her affairs are not on trial here, Like what's
Speaker 1: on trial is how she was killed, and she made
Speaker 1: the case that Nice was jealous and controlling. Michelle's best
Speaker 1: friend testified that doctor and I needed to know where
Speaker 1: Michelle was at all times, wanted to make sure that
Speaker 1: wherever she was there were no men.
Speaker 3: She said.
Speaker 1: Michelle couldn't fulfill her dream of modeling. She had been
Speaker 1: offered a role in a friend's commercial and he said no.
Speaker 1: She could even join a gym because she knew there
Speaker 1: would be like too many men there, and that her
Speaker 1: husband wouldn't be into it, and Glucy went on to
Speaker 1: argue that the forensic evidence supports that he threw her
Speaker 1: on the garage floor and bashed her head against the floor,
Speaker 1: killing her, which I think also the head bashing is
Speaker 1: what this also is.
Speaker 3: In common with as You episode.
Speaker 1: But another piece of evidence is that the crime scene
Speaker 1: investigators found cut up size fourteen boot in soles all
Speaker 1: over the garage in little pieces, and they jigsaw those
Speaker 1: babies back together and they match the footprints in the snow,
Speaker 1: So it's like he does admit to being there. So
Speaker 1: that's not like a smoking gun or anything, but it's
Speaker 1: kind of like you had the presence of mind to
Speaker 1: slice up your shoe in soles to try to get
Speaker 1: not get caught, like you knew that you were doing
Speaker 1: something wrong and committing a crime. So no, apparently also
Speaker 1: no tapes of Michelle and Enyo having sex wherever found,
Speaker 1: so one could question if he made up the entire
Speaker 1: extortion thing up as well, you know, as like a
Speaker 1: way to file a restraining order against this man, as
Speaker 1: a way to you know, let her know I'm going
Speaker 1: to call the FBI, like I'm gonna get people involved.
Speaker 3: If you are if you're gonna be unfaithful to me
Speaker 3: or whatever. Who knows. So he goes to trial for
Speaker 3: her murder.
Speaker 1: The trial lasts five weeks, the jury deliberated for three days,
Speaker 1: but they do not find him guilty of murder. They
Speaker 1: find him guilty of passion provocated manslaughter, which I had
Speaker 1: never heard of.
Speaker 2: They'll make it, they'll make any excuse to murder, right,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: I just had not heard of.
Speaker 1: It's also known as heat of passion manslaughter or voluntary manslaughter.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's like.
Speaker 1: A severe like flash of rage or or reaction causes
Speaker 1: it to happen, the crime of passion or whatever.
Speaker 3: But I just had not heard that.
Speaker 1: I thought it was like usually like we find you
Speaker 1: guilty of manslaughter, but not passion provocation manslaughter.
Speaker 3: So that's what he has found.
Speaker 1: Guilty of, and he is sentenced to, you know, a
Speaker 1: whopping five to ten years for ending a woman's life,
Speaker 1: a mother of three, a person with family and friends,
Speaker 1: like a woman whose only problem was not wanting to
Speaker 1: fuck her boring husband.
Speaker 3: Well, even this.
Speaker 2: Passion, it's like excusing this behavior because it reminds me
Speaker 2: of like gay panic and stuff like that yeah, none.
Speaker 3: Of this is real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like I freaked out that yeah exactly. That's
Speaker 1: what a crime of passion would almost be considered as well, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: I found out that a gig guy hit on me
Speaker 1: and I freaked out. I found out he was gay,
Speaker 1: and I went crazy, right, I saw red blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: So they they thought Nice had acted in the heat
Speaker 1: of passion when he confronted Michelle in the garage. He
Speaker 1: was sentenced to five to ten years for killing his
Speaker 1: wife and tampering with evidence, which is so fucked that's
Speaker 1: such a short sentence. Nice told Dateline quote unquote, I
Speaker 1: do not expect to be in jail for that period
Speaker 1: of time. I expect to win my appeal, and actually
Speaker 1: I expect to put other people in jail who lied
Speaker 1: to put me here.
Speaker 3: You can mark my words on that end quote.
Speaker 1: So he did appeal, he did not get win his appeal,
Speaker 1: but he did serve five years and was released in
Speaker 1: twenty ten.
Speaker 3: Okay, so he only.
Speaker 1: Served five years for murdering his wife, which in my opinion,
Speaker 1: he murdered her.
Speaker 3: That's opinion. But I mean, I just don't think anybody.
Speaker 1: Ever falls onto a floor getting out of a car
Speaker 1: in the with the force to kill them. Of course
Speaker 1: it can happen. Things can happen like one hit, punch
Speaker 1: rules and stuff like that, but it just doesn't.
Speaker 3: This doesn't muster. This is a muster the smell test
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: He ended up writing a book when he got out
Speaker 1: of jail, and by book I mean an ebook, and
Speaker 1: it is called under Color of Law colon the Deliberate
Speaker 1: Conviction of an innocent Man and the Destruction of a Family,
Speaker 1: which when you google it it says it it's a
Speaker 1: true account. And he has completely changed a lot of
Speaker 1: the details of what happened in this ebook. I mean,
Speaker 1: no one's like reading the fucking ebook. But it's like
Speaker 1: he was saying ebook things that.
Speaker 2: Were live of like I just think of the TV
Speaker 2: show Girls, and like how funny the storyline was about
Speaker 2: like ebook not being a real book and stuff, and
Speaker 2: it's like, yes.
Speaker 3: I just can't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I already hate this guy, but it's like,
Speaker 2: shut up with her ebook.
Speaker 3: I know, I know.
Speaker 1: The first time I heard about ebooks was our friend Allison,
Speaker 1: who wrote an ebook but now has a real book
Speaker 1: coming out. That's not like I don't mean to say
Speaker 1: real or not real, but a physical book, a physical book.
Speaker 1: But yeah, ebooks. I guess anybody can just publish an
Speaker 1: ebook like and say it's a true story because no
Speaker 1: one's really there's no editor putting their name behind it.
Speaker 1: There's no you know, you can put anything out there
Speaker 1: and say this is a true story. But it's his account,
Speaker 1: and he fully changed shit. Shit that was not just like,
Speaker 1: oh I didn't murder her like stuff that just wasn't
Speaker 1: true about the day that it happened.
Speaker 3: So don't worry. This gets worse after he gets out
Speaker 3: of prison.
Speaker 1: He starts, he gets back to work doing biopharma or whatever,
Speaker 1: not bio, but yeah, pharmaceutical stuff.
Speaker 3: He starts developing a treatment.
Speaker 1: For dog cancer, which is completely fraudulent, has zero proof
Speaker 1: of working. He has started all these accounts, all these
Speaker 1: companies that sell this this dog stuff, and people are
Speaker 1: paying huge money thinking, oh, this is going to help
Speaker 1: my dog that's dying of cancer. So the prosecutors allege
Speaker 1: that he used various websites to promote and ship fake
Speaker 1: drugs such as Temesol and natural Zone, claiming they cured
Speaker 1: a quote wide variety of canine cancers, but literally zero
Speaker 1: proof that they worked. Nice was charged in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: with wirefraud and the interstate shipment of misbranded animal drugs.
Speaker 1: He faced up to thirty two years behind bars and
Speaker 1: a fine of up to one point two five million dollars.
Speaker 1: He was convicted in December of twenty twenty two. I
Speaker 1: found an article that said he was sentenced in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four. I don't know why the sentencing would have
Speaker 1: taken two years, but the sentence he was for ninety
Speaker 1: seven months, which is more than eight years, which is
Speaker 1: more than he served for murdering a woman for selling
Speaker 1: fake dog medication.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: It's like the criminal justice system and new mothers just
Speaker 2: cannot stop counting years as months, Like what the fuck?
Speaker 3: I know, ninety seven months? Why are we over ninety
Speaker 3: seven months?
Speaker 1: I know it's like eight point eight months or something
Speaker 1: like that when I did it in my calculator, But
Speaker 1: it's just wild that he got five years for killing
Speaker 1: a human being and then eight months for basically stealing
Speaker 1: money from people and giving them false hope.
Speaker 3: Like eight years. Excuse me? Did I say months? I
Speaker 3: meant years?
Speaker 1: So I searched for him in He was sentenced in
Speaker 1: February of twenty twenty four, and then I searched for
Speaker 1: him in the federal inmate prison system and he's listed
Speaker 1: as deceased as of July thirteenth, of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if he died in prison or he
Speaker 1: took his own life or something, and there was and
Speaker 1: I couldn't find it.
Speaker 2: So this isn't surprising. Like we're in America. People care
Speaker 2: about money. You don't fuck with money. You don't fuck
Speaker 2: with the government's money. I mean, my friend's brother spent
Speaker 2: what like five years in prison for taking the government's money.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, they like their money. They don't care about women, yep.
Speaker 1: I mean he was stealing money from innocent customers too,
Speaker 1: you know, like people, but like, yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean he So I can't find anything.
Speaker 1: I can't find an obituary about Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: can't find Remember.
Speaker 3: I was like telling a story about how someone.
Speaker 2: That I find annoying was dating this Republican girl who
Speaker 2: was actually the Elizabeth Holmes of rape Kits and all that.
Speaker 3: Yes, I guess she's dating Elon Musk.
Speaker 1: Totally tracks, Yeah, that totally fucking tracks.
Speaker 3: I mean, like that girl is or Martin Scurrelli or
Speaker 3: something like.
Speaker 2: One of these freaks, one of these he dated Martin Screlly.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, so I think it's Elon now yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: she's got no morals at all, this woman and this
Speaker 2: one kind of okay comedia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's also really really deeply fucked to
Speaker 1: be like, it's like a little bit what's fucked about
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Holmes. It's one thing if you're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: invented this like software and it actually doesn't work the
Speaker 1: way it's supposed to. It's different to be like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna help women get justice for their sexual assaults when
Speaker 1: you know that the thing you're selling cannot work, like
Speaker 1: will not work that way. You know, Like it's just
Speaker 1: she's a grifter and we're in the golden age of
Speaker 1: the grift. So I don't really know why I'm surprised,
Speaker 1: but have fun with Elon Musk. I hope you managed
Speaker 1: to poke a hole in the condom and have one
Speaker 1: of his kids so that you're set for life or
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: Even know if you have to poke a hole.
Speaker 1: He's like a full reproductive abuser if you ask me, Like,
Speaker 1: he is totally a guy that's like I want to
Speaker 1: spread my seed.
Speaker 3: I want to get everybody out there, you know. Oh
Speaker 3: my god. Anyway, if anybody knows.
Speaker 1: What happened to doctor Jonathan Nice, I cannot find out
Speaker 1: how he died, what happened to him. He was supposed
Speaker 1: to be in jail for this dog medication thing, but
Speaker 1: the Federal inmate look up and it has his age correctly.
Speaker 3: So I was thinking it could be a different doctor.
Speaker 1: It could be a different Johnt than Nice, but the
Speaker 1: age that he would have been in twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: is correct. So I want to know if he died
Speaker 1: in prison before he had to report to prison. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the deal was, but I could also
Speaker 1: see this guy being like taking his own life and.
Speaker 3: Being like I'm not going to go to prison or something.
Speaker 3: So who knows, But that's the story. The story really
Speaker 3: has everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the connection, as you is like
Speaker 1: the affairs obviously, and like the head injuries.
Speaker 3: I mean, there wasn't like the amnesia and the.
Speaker 1: Specific disability and the families all this like inter family
Speaker 1: cheating when you met in a support group is like
Speaker 1: so wild.
Speaker 2: Anyway, No people be fucking within their family. They betrayal
Speaker 2: is everywhere. Yeah, it's all around us.
Speaker 1: Well, we don't have a guest, so we can dive
Speaker 1: right into that post mortem.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm thrilled we got to do that episode,
Speaker 2: like we've been waiting for years.
Speaker 3: That's as for you is insane.
Speaker 2: The fact that we continuously just are excited to do episodes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I literally was like, I have perfect pitch. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to do this episode. I like always think about
Speaker 1: this girl. Wait before we get into the post mortem.
Speaker 1: This is so random, but have you seen this interview
Speaker 1: where Sharon Stone is talking about how her marriage ended
Speaker 1: because she got a double mastectomy, And that's literally the
Speaker 1: plot of her SVU character as well.
Speaker 3: Like in the episode.
Speaker 1: Where she is the Ada or whatever Joe Malone, Yes,
Speaker 1: Joe Malone talks to maybe it's uh Isabelle Huper, but
Speaker 1: she talks to somebody being like, my marriage ended because
Speaker 1: I got it up mistectomy for breast cancer and he
Speaker 1: just couldn't look at me the same again or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I was like, she must have brought that in
Speaker 1: from a real life crazy Yah.
Speaker 2: It's really dangerous, Uh trusting a man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: Uh Okay, But to the post mortem of this episode.
Speaker 2: It's like for rich Or and it's like also through
Speaker 2: double mis ectomies. What are we talking about?
Speaker 3: Yes, why get married? Yes, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's the way people get married and are like, but
Speaker 1: not if your body changes sickness and in health, but
Speaker 1: if your body changes at all.
Speaker 3: I'm out.
Speaker 1: I this episode is so wild because he's so mean
Speaker 1: at the end. I like, I know that she cheated,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, she doesn't remember it, and you guys have.
Speaker 2: This and I know you're pissed, but there's got to
Speaker 2: be a nicer way. Your daughter is screaming like what
Speaker 2: are you doing? Also, you've done some bad shit, which
Speaker 2: is why you're.
Speaker 3: Being used as like a.
Speaker 1: Pawned by the government, right, Like, isn't he kind of
Speaker 1: an informant because he's making up for something illegal he did?
Speaker 3: Well, then we can't wait. Hold on. Also, sorry, I
Speaker 3: haven't brought a peed in bribery.
Speaker 2: So did you hear about the Club Shalomey thing in Paris?
Speaker 2: Do you know Club Shallomey? No, So she's like a
Speaker 2: middle aged black woman in America and she like loved
Speaker 2: Timothy Shallomey and.
Speaker 3: Club Shalla May.
Speaker 2: Then she stopped and turned all her attention on connor story.
Speaker 2: But like, I'm not that into the internet in that way,
Speaker 2: like I am, I don't know, I'm lying. So anyways,
Speaker 2: Connor was in Paris for the Ysel Menswear fashion show.
Speaker 2: You probably saw photos of him with Madonna and like.
Speaker 3: Charlie Sex and fans.
Speaker 2: Go outside the hotels, which I think is like whatever.
Speaker 2: So I guess someone someone recognized that Club Shallow May
Speaker 2: was outside of the hotel and the moment Connor came up,
Speaker 2: beat the shit out of Club Shallow May two in
Speaker 2: quotes protect Connor. And so now there's all this discourse
Speaker 2: because it's like the Club Shallow May is like I
Speaker 2: was just in Paris randomly, like I'm just a fan.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to be there. And then the woman
Speaker 2: who attacked her was like, you're a stalker. You're a freak,
Speaker 2: and I had to protect him. I could see you
Speaker 2: lunging at him, and then everyone else is like, you're
Speaker 2: just as crazy as her. You're both stalking him at
Speaker 2: his fucking hotel, like you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: then I was like, listen, I'm obviously obsessed as fuck,
Speaker 2: like I you know, I'm so into it, and I
Speaker 2: talk about it all the time and think about them
Speaker 2: all the time. I would never camp out outside of
Speaker 2: any hotel, even if I saw them at dinner.
Speaker 3: I think I'd be cat like. I just can't imagine.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, I guess I was at
Speaker 2: the iced Tea ceremony and waited for Michael C.
Speaker 3: Hall outside stage door. But even those two are professional.
Speaker 2: But Club Shallow May was wearing like a full hat,
Speaker 2: full sun mask and like, and the girls still recognized her.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna read you this tweet, So here's
Speaker 2: the photo. Okay, imagine being so online you recognize Club
Speaker 2: Shallow Ma wearing a mask, hat and sunglasses while you're
Speaker 2: both waiting outside Connor Stories Hotel and probably deciding to
Speaker 2: beat her up.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's Jared did.
Speaker 1: Jared did clop Zoey Deschanel at Discanco in a sunglasses,
Speaker 1: hat and mask during the pandemic. But I don't know
Speaker 1: he somehow did that, but I maybe he recognized the
Speaker 1: property brother.
Speaker 3: I heard about Club Shallome.
Speaker 1: I knew about Club Schalome actually from who Weekly. They
Speaker 1: keep me up to date on all that internet type bullshit.
Speaker 1: But I didn't hear about the beat down in Paris,
Speaker 1: so thank you for that.
Speaker 2: I talk about how I have a crush on the
Speaker 2: kool Aid Man and would fuck him, and someone sent
Speaker 2: me that there is a book called Cold Sweat and
Speaker 2: it's it's a fancfic. It's it's a it's a book
Speaker 2: about falling in love with the kool Aid cool aid Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can truly find I think any kink out there.
Speaker 3: I really think you can.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, your kink is like a guy that smashes
Speaker 1: through a wall and is like, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, don't you feel like it'd be fun
Speaker 2: to jump in that picture?
Speaker 3: Yeah, swim around a little bit.
Speaker 2: And then someone gifted me FIFA collector cards. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just like a it's fun, all right, But honestly
Speaker 2: it was a it was a sad ending for sure.
Speaker 3: The episode. I don't know.
Speaker 1: The post mortem of this episode is like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: don't commit crimes and become an informant and then don't
Speaker 1: cheat on your husband, and like if you're, if you're,
Speaker 1: if your daughter has perfect pitch, you gotta find another place.
Speaker 3: You can't do it. She's gonna rat you out right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know your kid has good hearing and you're
Speaker 1: still fucking like superhering. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, I can't
Speaker 1: say she yeah, you're like you're having your affairs.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But then the the kid killed, I mean that was
Speaker 1: it was a real it's a real twisty episode, this one.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we don't have to get we don't have
Speaker 1: to get too philosophical about what happened. We all watch
Speaker 1: the episode, should we Do you have any other last
Speaker 1: minute tidbits before I get into what would Sister Peg Do?
Speaker 3: No, everything else is as usual soul cycle.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let's get into our what would Sister Peg do?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: This is our weekly segment where we normally direct you
Speaker 1: towards something that attaches to this episode, and I couldn't
Speaker 1: really think of anything because it's a very specific episode
Speaker 1: with like people, there's like, there's not an organization about
Speaker 1: what to do when a kid kills his the woman
Speaker 1: that he thinks his dad's having an affair with. But
Speaker 1: what I really wanted to do is use this week
Speaker 1: to point you to a GoFundMe for Nelson Contreras Galvez,
Speaker 1: who is the husband of Kurt Browneller's niece and Kurt
Speaker 1: Brunneler is the host of the Bananas podcast here on
Speaker 1: the Exactly Right Network. He's a friend his niece. Ariel
Speaker 1: is married to Nelson, and this past weekend he was
Speaker 1: taken by Ice. Nelson is a Venezuelan asylum seeker with
Speaker 1: no criminal record, married to Ariel. Recently, he was detained
Speaker 1: by Ice during his routine immigration appointment and after attending
Speaker 1: a regularly dualle appointment in Philadelphia, he was told to
Speaker 1: return the next day because the quote unquote the kiosk
Speaker 1: was broken, although the office is not typically open on Saturdays.
Speaker 1: He followed the instructions and when he returned, he was
Speaker 1: taken into ICE custody. I just think that this is
Speaker 1: such an example of the of the overreach by Ice,
Speaker 1: and I think we all got a little bit off
Speaker 1: of the Ice topic because it felt like a lot
Speaker 1: of the random kidnappings were dying down. But this one,
Speaker 1: like really hits close to home because this is a
Speaker 1: friend of ours. So if you can donate to the GoFundMe,
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