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Speaker 1: What's going on? Everybody? Welcome back to Inside American Soccer.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Tom Bogert, and as always I'm joined

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Speaker 1: us U twenty World Cup and MLS head coach, Tab Ramos.

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Speaker 1: We are coming to you a few days after Thanksgiving here,

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Speaker 1: tab I hope that your Thanksgiving went well. What was

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Speaker 1: fun stories and you got do you guys do a little?

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Speaker 3: Soccer is always part of the picture, right, But Thanksgiving

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Speaker 3: know what, the players in Europe now seeing that the

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Speaker 3: players from MLS who have played on the national team

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Speaker 3: are doing really well here, by the way, and they

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Speaker 3: put themselves in position to be on this World Cup team.

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Speaker 3: And now we see a little bit of the advantage

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Speaker 3: that the European players will have through the process, right

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Speaker 3: because they have the next two to three months to

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Speaker 3: continue to do well and to continue to be in

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Speaker 3: good form, while unfortunately some of the MLS players won't

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Speaker 3: have those competitive games.

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Speaker 1: All right, there is one more game left in the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five MLS season. It is MLS Cup, it's

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Speaker 1: Vancouver versents to Miami, and then next season won't start

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Speaker 1: until mid February. So to your point, guys like Diego

446
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Speaker 1: Luna hasn't played in a while. Jack mclenn hasn't played

447
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Speaker 1: since early October. Part of that was an injury, but

448
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Speaker 1: Houston didn't make the playoffs. Alex Freeman hasn't played for

449
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Speaker 1: a while. Orlando got knocked out early in this process.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about MLS Cup. We've got Brian White

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Speaker 1: scoring twice for Vancouver in their win over San Diego.

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Speaker 1: I thought that he played really really well in that game.

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Speaker 1: He is his movement and ability to be a poacher

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Speaker 1: I love. I was hoping that he was going to

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Speaker 1: get more run at the Gold Cup. He didn't. I

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Speaker 1: thought a jamong obviously deserved those minutes. Damien Downs was

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Speaker 1: at a good point. I was just hoping for a

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Speaker 1: little bit more Brian White to see what he could

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Speaker 1: do in this group. And then Sebastian Burhalter. I thought

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Speaker 1: he was really really good for Vancouver. Brian White is crucial,

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Speaker 1: but seb probably more so because the way that Vancouver play.

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Speaker 1: It is crucial that Burholter and Andres kubas his partner

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Speaker 1: in the midfield, that they're dominating the game, that they're

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Speaker 1: controlling the game, that they're setting the temple to pace

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Speaker 1: the ball everything else. And Burholter had I thought he

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Speaker 1: was quite good for Vancouver last years. He's been even better.

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Speaker 1: I voted him to my Best eleven. I think he's

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Speaker 1: been one of the best players in MLS this season.

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Speaker 1: And without him, and obviously without Brian White, they don't

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Speaker 1: make MLS Cup. These are two guys like Burholter is

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Speaker 1: obviously ahead of Brian White in the pecking order with

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Speaker 1: the national team. I would you do you think that

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Speaker 1: Brian White has a chance to play his way into

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Speaker 1: the mix late, particularly given the other forward options and

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Speaker 1: and and where where does kind of Burhalter stand today?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the things to consider.

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Speaker 3: Uh the answer is yes, by the way, because with Pochettino,

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Speaker 3: what we've seen is that he's just gonna call whoever's

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Speaker 3: playing well at the time, and that's that's that's really

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Speaker 3: the way the national team should be. Whoever's playing best

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Speaker 3: right now, that's our national team. And uh so the

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Speaker 3: answer is yes, now here's the challenge, right that you

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Speaker 3: know the next window would be in March, and that's difficult, right,

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Speaker 3: because that's that's the next window that's really going to matter.

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Speaker 2: At that point.

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Speaker 3: MLS is just really getting on its way with a

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Speaker 3: few games under its belt.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm not sure that that Brian White will

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Speaker 3: have a fair He hate to say, but I want to

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Speaker 3: call it whether he'd have a fair shot. And that's

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Speaker 3: the only way I can say it, really because because

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Speaker 3: he's only going to have a few games under his

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Speaker 3: belt at the time and we're gonna need I'm sure

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Speaker 3: Pochettino is gonna go for guys who have been playing

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Speaker 3: consistently and who are in good form.

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Speaker 1: I agree, and that's why I think that he. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't call it likely that Brian White makes a World

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Speaker 1: Cup squad, but if next year starts and I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they play fifteen games by May or thirteen

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, if he has like twelve goals in

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Speaker 1: thirteen games or give or take something in that depending

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Speaker 1: on how Ajimong PEPPI down, Sergeant name anybody who isn't

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Speaker 1: Baligan really a hoji?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: If if there's only like one of those guys that

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Speaker 1: is a lock with Bwigan. Like I think Brian White,

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Speaker 1: if he's in the most form of all the other guys,

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Speaker 1: like I think that he's got as much chances as

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Speaker 1: anyone else. And there's a possibility that Pochetino brings four

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Speaker 1: center forwards as well. So again, it isn't forgetting on

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Speaker 1: a lot of ifs.

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Speaker 3: And don't forget injuries, right because those can happen, and

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Speaker 3: those do happen, and sometimes they happen to the best players.

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Speaker 3: So he's definitely in the picture. And obviously I think

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Speaker 3: we all root for him, not just because of the

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Speaker 3: Jersey connection, but I think because he deserves it.

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Speaker 2: He's had a great season and maybe he deserves to go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Red Bulls traded him to Vancouver, and

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Speaker 1: I believe that was like twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, whenever

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Speaker 1: it was. They've been trying to replace Brian White ever since, unsuccessfully.

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Speaker 1: So the Red Bulls are certainly taking themselves. We're not

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Speaker 1: quite looking at the backyard. Brian White has been awesome

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Speaker 1: and I can't wait for this game. I'll be there.

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Speaker 1: It'll be a super fun one between two really good teams.

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Speaker 1: But right now, it's time for a break. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: be right back with tabs inside the locker room, story

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Speaker 1: about the World Cup draw, both as a player and

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Speaker 1: as a coach, and we're gonna give our best elevens

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Speaker 1: for MLS players in the US national team. But please rate, review,

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Speaker 1: and subscribe to Inside American Soccer with Tomboger and sab

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Speaker 1: Ramos wherever you get to podcasts. Again, giving a rating

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Speaker 1: helps us a lot. We'd be very appreciative, So thank

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Speaker 1: you very much that and we'll be right all right,

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Speaker 1: we're back, and an honor of that muskup this weekend,

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Speaker 1: we wanted to give our best US m n T

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Speaker 1: MLS lineups here, so tap, I'm gonna go first. You

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Speaker 1: can tell me where I'm an idiot after it. When

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Speaker 1: you go, I'm gonna keep it in a three four

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Speaker 1: two one. I did think about doing a different formation,

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Speaker 1: but I actually think that the three four two one

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Speaker 1: is the best collection of MLS player MLS American players

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Speaker 1: right now. So Matt Freeze and goal that's an obvious one.

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Speaker 1: A back three of Tristan Blackman, Miles Robinson and Tim Ree.

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Speaker 1: The midfield four of Freeman at wingback, rolled on and

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Speaker 1: Burhalter as the midfield duo and the Max Arson left

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Speaker 1: wing back the attacking midfield line. I struggled with I

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Speaker 1: think it's Diego Luna and I went with Jack McGlenn

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Speaker 1: as the other. But you can say Georgia Miiovich, Pax

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Speaker 1: and Aarinson. There are a number of other options to

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Speaker 1: replace Saint mcglin. We haven't seen him for a while.

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Speaker 1: And then up top for me, it's Brian White, New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: Mario Gomez give him the nod and that's where I go.

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Speaker 2: Tab What about you, Yeah, I think mine is pretty similar.

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Speaker 3: We have a couple of different ones freezing goal again,

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Speaker 3: a back line of three, but I put Freeman as

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Speaker 3: the right sided center back only so I could at

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Speaker 3: Harry All at the right side. But so my three

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Speaker 3: in the back would be Freeman, Tristan Blackman, who's had

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Speaker 3: a great He's had a great season, and you know

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Speaker 3: he's he's one player that has impressed me for the

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Speaker 3: last five or six years. Really, He's been consistent. He's

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Speaker 3: he's a solid defender, he's a good defender, he can play,

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Speaker 3: understands the game, all of that stuff that you want

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Speaker 3: as a coach. Miles Robinson would be the other one,

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Speaker 3: and then across the middle the four would be Nathan

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Speaker 3: harry On on the right side. I think you and I

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Speaker 3: differentiated a little bit because maybe our approach on how

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Speaker 3: we want to win the game right roll Dan and

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Speaker 3: Burr Halter and the middle just because they deserve it.

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Speaker 3: They have a great they've both had a great season

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Speaker 3: this year. And then Max Artsten on the on on

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Speaker 3: the left, I would say the same for him, Uh,

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Speaker 3: really deserving of those and hard to you know, to

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Speaker 3: pick someone else.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And then on the attacking role, I'm I'm a big

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Speaker 3: fan of Georgie and mi Heilovich.

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Speaker 2: He's he's just a great player.

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Speaker 3: I know he's had a few difficulties in life the

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Speaker 3: last you know, a year and a half two years,

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Speaker 3: but but uh, he he's a great player. He's a winner,

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Speaker 3: and he's one that playing right behind, right behind the forward,

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Speaker 3: could could really do wonders and scoring goals and getting

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Speaker 3: assists Diego Luna because you want you want that attitude

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Speaker 3: in the team, and and he also goes to go

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Speaker 3: hard and and for me, I'm sorry to say you'll

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Speaker 3: disagree with that, but but I I think he sus

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Speaker 3: Ferira because Z's Ferira for me is just a great player.

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Speaker 3: He's the type of nine that I like that could

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Speaker 3: come into midfield and receive and and sort of be

592
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Speaker 3: hard to track.

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Speaker 2: So that would be, yeah, that would be my eleven.

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Speaker 1: Now that's an interesting shout. And so heyesus Frera over

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Speaker 1: Jordan Morristria.

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Speaker 3: Uh, yes, yes, Jordan Morris is and I love Jordan Morris.

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Speaker 3: And I remember the day, you know, Jurgen and I

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Speaker 3: brought him up to for the first time in Stanford,

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Speaker 3: uh to practice against the national uh, the national team,

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Speaker 3: and that's and then Jurgen was like, who's that guy.

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Speaker 3: I was like, well, he's on the you twenties, you know.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I I like Jordan coming bet. I like Jordan better

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Speaker 3: coming from the left. I mean, so if if I

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Speaker 3: had a position for him on the left, that would

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Speaker 3: be my guy. But I think as a nine, I

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Speaker 3: like the withdrawing striker type like his suits.

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Speaker 1: Ferrara a lot of creativity in that front.

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Speaker 2: Three.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't, uh, faces Fred, how many games did

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Speaker 1: he started the last World Cup. It's it's funny how

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Speaker 1: quickly he really fell out of the pool. But it's

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Speaker 1: just always interesting to look back at some of these

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Speaker 1: rosters and stuff, and you know, in that moment, I

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Speaker 1: thought that was the right call. I know that was

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Speaker 1: a bit controversial, but it's been a little while since

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Speaker 1: he's been in the mix. Let's go inside the locker

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Speaker 1: room with Tab tells the story from his playing our

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Speaker 1: coaching days, and today we're going to focus on the

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Speaker 1: World Cup draw because we've got a World Cup draw

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Speaker 1: coming up on Friday. So Tab, both as a player

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Speaker 1: and as a coach, what was it like in these

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Speaker 1: days or moments leading up to a World Cup draw.

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Speaker 3: It's there's a few nerves because obviously you're always going

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Speaker 3: to be judge of the World Cup by results, and

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Speaker 3: sometimes inevitably, when you're not the when you're not the

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Speaker 3: best team in the world, inevitably you want to get

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Speaker 3: a little bit of luck, you know, when the draw

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Speaker 3: comes out. So I do remember as a player in

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety four thinking, Okay, we're the home team, so

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Speaker 3: we're likely going to get a great draw, right, And

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Speaker 3: we ended up getting two Europeans and probably the best

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Speaker 3: South American team at the time.

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Speaker 2: So it didn't work out at all. That was not

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Speaker 2: that was not a good draw to wait for.

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Speaker 3: But now now let's fast forward when I've had a

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Speaker 3: wait for him at at the U twenty World Cup.

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Speaker 3: We've been a little bit lucky too, So like in

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Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, I remember, you know, thinking that we could

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Speaker 3: be drawn with Argentina or with Germany, and yet we

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Speaker 3: were drawn into New Zealand's group, so they were the

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Speaker 3: head of the group.

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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what you wanted.

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Speaker 3: So we had a little bit of an easier pathway

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Speaker 3: because we thought that we could win the group, and

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Speaker 3: we did and that's and we advanced. Now for this

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Speaker 3: national team, I think it'll be the same. I think

648
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Speaker 3: Poshatino is just looking at the different different options. Obviously

649
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 3: you have to take into consideration a couple of things.

650
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 3: All the confederations are different. We can't be matched up

651
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 3: against CONCA, CAF, so you want to get the best

652
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: of the rest. And when you're thinking what is the

653
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: best outcome of the rest, you don't want.

654
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: To end up with two European teams in your group.

655
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: That's one thing.

656
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: European teams are obviously the strongest, and then when you

657
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: look at the rest of the confederations, you look at

658
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: a little bit of the let's say, the sort of

659
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: the psychological profile of the teams and then and then

660
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: the way they play the team functions. Those are both

661
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: things to look at, but I think the psychological part

662
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: is really important because you know, I can tell you

663
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 3: you know without going into a long conversation, but I

664
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: can tell you in concacafs sometimes when you play World

665
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 3: Cup qualifiers, you're thinking you're playing against teams where if

666
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: you're not playing great, just keep everything in front of you,

667
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: because you always feel like at some point the opposing

668
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 3: team is going to give you something, right, and that's

669
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 3: a way to psychologically profile another team. You know that

670
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 3: at some point they're gonna just take that risk where

671
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: they're gonna make a mistake and you can punish them,

672
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: and maybe you can win the game by not just

673
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: doing well, but by not hurting yourself, right, and you're

674
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: just waiting for the opportunity. So it's not different against

675
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: these teams, right. So when you look at the Asian Confederation,

676
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: you're looking a little bit more at teams that maybe

677
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 3: don't have that physical strength necessarily, but they're very organized

678
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: and they're technical, and that you know, when you're looking

679
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: at African teams. It depends on where from Africa. If

680
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 3: you're Northern Africa, well, first of all, we don't want

681
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 3: to see Morocco because Morocco knocks, They knock us out

682
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: of everything, right, So.

683
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: But Olympics and seventeen Rocks.

684
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: Yes, later, let's not do the Morocco thing this time.

685
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, we don't need at the rook gown.

686
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: No, let's not do that.

687
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: But but but you look at the Northern African teams

688
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 3: are a little bit more tactical, right and then when

689
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: you look at the Central African teams like Ghana or

690
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: in this case, Nigeria is not there. But teams like Ghana,

691
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: they they're like organized, they're skillful, but they can also

692
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: match up with you on that back and forth transition game.

693
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 3: Those are tough teams to play. And so yeah, obviously

694
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: the South Americans I feel pretty good about only because

695
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: we've just played Ecuador and we just played colomb Uruguay

696
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 3: and Paraguay, so we have a pretty good feel. So

697
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: Pugetino would be able to put a roster together that

698
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 3: I think matches a little bit with that. So I

699
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: think I think a lot to think about when it

700
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 3: comes to uh it comes to draw is not just

701
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 3: the teams that you get, but the style that they

702
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: play will sometimes influence the players that you pick.

703
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that. I think that that's interesting, very interesting,

704
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: whether like those last kind of handful of guys, whether

705
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: you need you feel like you need somebody more technical

706
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: or somebody more physical, or again, whether it's we're gonna

707
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: bring a fourth center forward instead of a sixth or

708
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: seventh winger kind of thing, or an extra center back

709
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: kind of depending on how things shake out when we're

710
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: looking at this potential draw. So to your point of

711
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: the pots for those who don't know the by the

712
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: FIFA rankings, you get broken into pots. So Pot one

713
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: is supposed to be the best teams and that includes

714
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: the host. So Canada, Mexico and the US are in

715
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: Pot one. That means there is no chance in the

716
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: group stage of getting Spain, Argentina, England, Brazil, whoever. Right,

717
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: those those kind of top top teams Pot two, they're

718
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: maybe like a pot two there, it's it's gonna be

719
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: a really really good team if we're looking at it,

720
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: like maybe Australia maybe Senegal are two teams that you

721
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: would favor over rather than getting Colombia, South Korea, Ecuador, Switzerland, Uruguay.

722
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: But I'm just assuming for Pot two it's gonna be

723
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: a really, really difficult game, as it should be. It's

724
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: a World Cup, right. Pot three is where the draw

725
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: can either go from we got a lucky path or

726
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: oh my god, win the group of death, because in

727
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: this pot includes Norway, who I don't think really anybody

728
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: want to see in that third pot, but it also

729
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: includes Uzbekistan, and again they have no disrespect to this country.

730
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: But would you rather play Norway or would you rather

731
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: play them? Right? Would you rather play Scotland? Would you

732
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: rather play Paraguay? I think that that is the biggest

733
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: difference in the pot, and depending on who we draw

734
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: in Pot three is going to be a difficult one.

735
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: And then in Pot four it's still to be determined

736
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: for about six of those depending on the playoffs that happened.

737
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: But there are some good European teams, including Italy, that

738
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: are in that playoff. In Italy gonna be a Pop

739
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: four team if they qualify for the World Cup, so

740
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: Pot three in particular, but also Pop four if you

741
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: get unlucky really quickly end up in the Group of death.

742
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: No question.

743
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 3: But we have to remember too, this is a World Cup.

744
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 3: This is the biggest World Cup ever. So there's forty

745
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 3: eight teams and there's there's two teams plus uh is

746
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 3: it eight second third place teams that go through.

747
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: So I think I think at the end of the.

748
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 3: Day, we're gonna we're gonna get a draw that we're

749
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 3: happy with. Being a pot one team makes a big,

750
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 3: big difference in a World Cup and uh, and we should,

751
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: without question get out of the group. So I'm not

752
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 3: I'm not concerned so much. So I think I think

753
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: our team will be fine through the first round.

754
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: I hope so too, and then I hope that it's

755
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: at the top of the group. But again, we're gonna

756
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: see on Friday. We're gonna break down the draw as

757
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: soon as it happens. When we learn who the United

758
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: States aren't grouped with at the World Cup. I'm very

759
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: excited to talk about that rather than we keep talking

760
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: about things in abstracts and and then really going to

761
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: get died into into those opponents over the next several months.

762
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: It's gonna be super fun. And I'll even sit through, uh,

763
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: you know, a nine hour broadcast or whatever FIFA has

764
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: for us and all the speeches and fake awards that

765
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: they're going to create. I digress. Let's go inside the notebook.

766
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: Number one. I broke this news this week. Michael Bradley

767
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: is the clear front runner to be named the next

768
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: New York Red Bulls head coach. I'm told that there

769
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: is nothing agreed technically resigned, but sources tell me widespread

770
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: that the expectation is that Bradley becomes the next head

771
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: coach and Tab he's a legend of this program. Thirty

772
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: eight years old. He has been the head coach of

773
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: the Red bull second team since the summer. They played

774
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: some really nice soccer, not typical like Red Bull car

775
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: crash transition pressing song they played. They played like with

776
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: wingers and intricate passing sequences and a couple of really

777
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: interesting young players that came through. And they won MLS

778
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: Next Pro for whatever that's worth. But they did bring

779
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: more players into the first team, and I think Michael

780
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: Bradley helped in his half season. TABI if there was

781
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: somebody who has been ready to be a head coach

782
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: since he was I don't know, twenty two, maybe it's

783
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: Michael Bradley. So while he doesn't have first team head

784
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: coaching experience. He was an assistant uner Jesse Marsh for

785
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: a little bit with Canada, and he was assistant under

786
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: his father, Bob Bradley at Stabeck for a bit before

787
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: he got that Red Bull job, and Red Bull Global

788
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: love him as what Versus told me so Tab. If

789
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: there was anybody who'd be ready for maybe minimal coaching experience,

790
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: it's Michael Bradley.

791
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: Right absolutely.

792
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: I think of all the players that I've ever had

793
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 3: a possibility to either coach, play with or or coach

794
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: as an assistant in this case, with Michael through the

795
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen World Cup, in a couple of years before

796
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: and a couple of years after that, I've never seen

797
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: a player more ready to be a coach. I think

798
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: he's ready. He's going to walk into the locker room

799
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 3: know exactly what it's all about. But he's really smart

800
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 3: about his tactical approach, about the way he needs to

801
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: put together his exercises to help his team. I remember

802
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 3: that he was he was the one that always whenever

803
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 3: we put a session together, you know, on that World

804
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,959
Speaker 3: Cup team for two thousand and he was the first

805
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 3: one to come up and ask why are we doing

806
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: this exercise?

807
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: Why are we doing this? Why are we doing that?

808
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 3: So very studious of the game, obviously a coach's son,

809
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: you know, and that I always make a point of

810
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: that because I think coaches sounds usually just learned a

811
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: little bit more about the game to begin with. But

812
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: I think he has the demeanor to be a coach

813
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 3: and he's always had it. Obviously, you still have to

814
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 3: take the step. You still have to realize that when

815
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: you go into the pros uh, you know, is it

816
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: are you going to have a certain style that you're

817
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: just going to implement and the club is going to

818
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: help you to do that, or are you going to

819
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: have a certain style and they realize that you don't

820
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: have the players to do that and you're going to

821
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: change your style. That's something that I know, personally, I

822
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: had a lot of difficulty with, and so that's something

823
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 3: obviously that as a new coach you're gonna have to

824
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 3: deal with.

825
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: Don't react, This is nothing for you. Your situation was

826
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: far worse than the one Michael was walking into, so

827
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: I think I think that you had a much more

828
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: difficult situation. Don't react, don't don't make any headlines, get

829
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: anybody in trouble. Going back to that, he would ask, like,

830
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: I've heard that, like you getting to live that with

831
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: Michael In those sessions when he was at the end

832
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: of his career at Toronto, when Greg Vanny was the manager,

833
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: he was in coaches meetings because he knew that he

834
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: wanted to be coach at some point. Again, as you said,

835
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: he's he's like a coach on the field. But be honest,

836
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: I know that that you you like, you like the intuition,

837
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: you like him carrying him trying to learn it and

838
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: trying to get the thought process by drills. Was there

839
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: ever any days where you're like, dude, I'm just tired.

840
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: Can I put down the cones and just do it

841
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: a drill? Can I just do this? Do you do

842
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: you do you need to be part of the Can

843
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: I just put down the cones and be quiet for

844
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: a second? Or was there any days.

845
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 2: Like well, I remember one day in Chicago.

846
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: It wasn't necessarily about about tactics X as to know's,

847
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: but we were playing.

848
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: It was a fun day.

849
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: It was a day before the game and we're like

850
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 3: Chicago University, one of these universities downtown in Chicago and

851
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: we were just doing uh, soccer volleyball, and so I

852
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 3: happened to, you know, as an assistant coach, that happened

853
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: to be the referee.

854
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: And man, what a bad job I had.

855
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: Michael Is playing that game and if the ball was

856
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 3: like this much in or this muss out and I

857
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: didn't make the right call.

858
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: Man, he was all over everything. It was tough. It

859
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 2: was tough to have have the game.

860
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 3: But I have to say, he's that detailed, you know.

861
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: That's to me, was just an example of how he

862
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: wants everything to be perfect. And I think this is

863
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: why he's going to be one of those coaches that's

864
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 3: really going to be dedicated to his team.

865
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: I think so too, and I'm looking forward to it.

866
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: And a warning to any Red Bulls players or staff

867
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: that might be listening, be careful of those soccer volleyball games,

868
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: all right. The second one, the United States are in

869
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: talks about potentially hosting the Copa America in twenty twenty eight.

870
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: This would be the third time in twelve years, because

871
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: they hosted the Centcenario in fifteen sixteen tea time around

872
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: the team, and then they hosted the most recent Copa America.

873
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: The final didn't go great. There was security concerns throughout

874
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: the tournament. But Copa America be coming back to the

875
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: United States, What would that mean? And obviously that would

876
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: mean that the United States get to play in it,

877
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: which I think is more important than anything else. So

878
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: I think that'd be pretty fun for the for the US.

879
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: But I can't I can't lie to you and say

880
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: that that I'm not a bit surprise given how things

881
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: went in the last ornament for so quickly that they

882
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 1: were ready to maybe come back.

883
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, so you mean it's not gonna be a

884
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 3: free for all for to get into games this time.

885
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 2: Hope you need tickets.

886
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: Going through this air ducts And yeah, I.

887
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 3: Think this time we're gonna need tickets for the for

888
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: for these games.

889
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 2: Now.

890
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 3: I think, uh, you know, we're we're sort of the

891
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 3: perfect country to host the Copa America. We have people

892
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 3: from all over the world, it's easy to get here.

893
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: Obviously we had all those security issues. Sometimes I'd have

894
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: to say sometimes that obviously falls not on us necessarily,

895
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: but that falls uncombable. And how much money they spend

896
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 3: on security, so obviously that falls on them. And I

897
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 3: think they're gonna have to do better when they come

898
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 3: here to run the tournament. And uh, but I think

899
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: we're a great country to do it, and I'm I'd

900
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: be happy.

901
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: To see it.

902
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 3: The Cope America was an excellent tournament last year.

903
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: I agree so selfishly as a US fan and as

904
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: an American, I would love for this to happen. I

905
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: will say though, if I was South American, I would

906
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: be pretty furious, because what other motivation for commable than

907
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: money for this? Like we talked about the security concerns.

908
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: It is cool for you know, ex pats who are

909
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: South American who live in America who get to see

910
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: their teams and maybe wouldn't travel to Chile or prew

911
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: or or Reguire, Columbia, whatever, But that's nice once in

912
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: a while. For the United States, the host three in

913
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: twelve years, I think that's a bit of a slap

914
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: in the face to the claw, to the federations, to

915
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: to the people more so than anybody else that Hey,

916
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: if you live in Buenos Aires, you have to travel

917
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: to New York City if you want to see and

918
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: guess what, that's not cheap. And I don't know, I

919
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: think that these these games should be being played within

920
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: their home federation, particularly given how awesome the crowds are

921
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: in South America and the passion and everything else. As

922
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: a as a fan, it'll be cool to maybe go

923
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: to games or see the United States play, but I

924
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: don't know. I'd still rather be player. I'm a traditionalist

925
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: and that one.

926
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: Wait, you're you're saying this could be about the money.

927
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: Wait.

928
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 3: No, so let's look at the next World Cup where

929
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 3: we have Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay, Morocco, Spain, Portugal.

930
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's it's getting crazy, but I

931
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: do agree with you.

932
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: It's really quickly this last one. Matt Freeze, Max Arsten, Freeman, Richards,

933
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: and Malik Tillman nominated for US Men's Player of the Year.

934
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: Who's your fi who's your pick?

935
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: What was that list again?

936
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: Freeze, Melik Freeze, Arston Freeman written for me? For me,

937
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: it's Chris Richards, A couple of pos same.

938
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: That's that's an easy one.

939
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: I agree. Uh, Polistic not nominated. I don't know how

940
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: many more times that's gonna happen. But that Hey played

941
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: at the Gold Cup, I guess was the federations. It

942
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: was at US's point, but we talked for another really

943
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: quick break. We'll be right back with a big question

944
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: of the week with Marico Pochettino talking about inning the

945
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: World Cup. All right, we're back and we got some

946
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: big questions to talk about because last week US national

947
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: team head coach Mauricio Pochettino gave an interview with the

948
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: legend Andre's Cancer for Football Dipremera, and he has big

949
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: hopes for the World Cup. He's even talking about winning.

950
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: Here's what Pochettino told Andre's cancer quote. For me, it's

951
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: about winning. I think if you don't win, what does

952
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: it matter? If you were a second nobody ever remembers,

953
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: and I believe we should aspire to win it. That's

954
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 1: what he said in the interview with was published last week. Tad,

955
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 1: Let's hold the questions on potentially the United States winning

956
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: the World Cup. It was only three months ago where

957
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: there were the fear that they were going to get

958
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: grouped at the World Cup and Puchactino wasn't going to

959
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: be the coach. So tab what is success for the

960
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: US national team at twenty twenty six World Cup.

961
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 3: Well, if the question is just that, just to focus

962
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: on what success would be for US. I think I'd

963
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 3: like to see us make it to the quarterfinals.

964
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: I think that would be success.

965
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 3: I think that would be proof that the investment that

966
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: was made on Pochettino was the right investment. And I

967
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 3: think in general the country will go crazy if our

968
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 3: team makes it all the way to the quarterfinals. So

969
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 3: I think for me to sum it up just it

970
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: would have to be quarterfinals.

971
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: So I'm with you there. There is there has been

972
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: talk about semi finals or busts, and I think that's

973
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: more optimistic. Making the quarter being one of the final

974
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: eight teams at the World Cup I think would be

975
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: pretty seismic. I think that would be a success. It's

976
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: one of those weird ones. Where So in twenty twenty

977
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: two Round of sixteen I thought was they didn't underperform,

978
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: but they didn't overperform. At this next World Cup, I

979
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: don't think that there's that middle ground because I think

980
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: Round of sixteen will be viewed as a disappointment, but

981
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: the quarterfinals will be celebrated. It won't be like, oh,

982
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: they just met expectations. I do think there's a realistic chance.

983
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: I didn't think that in early September. So that's progress

984
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: and that's positive. I do like that he's you know,

985
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: he should be careful about always saying, you know, hey,

986
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: we want to win the World Cup and stuff like that.

987
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: I think saying it too much would be a little silly,

988
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: But I do like that he goes, yeah, like, we're

989
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: not here just to participate. We're not here. We don't

990
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: get a trophy if we fit in. Like, while we

991
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: would agree that the quarterfinals would be a success, Plastino

992
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: doesn't get a trophy for that. And I like that

993
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: he's saying not why not us, why not believe as

994
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: long as he's being careful to not saying anything way

995
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: over the top or like guaranteeing or promising anything. But

996
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: like if he's asked about the World Cup, like him saying, hey,

997
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: we're going there to win it, like all thing on

998
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: the team should.

999
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 3: Bit And I'm sure he means that. I can tell

1000
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: you from my experience with Yurgen. Listen in twenty fourteen,

1001
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: it was the first time that I understood what big

1002
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 3: nations do when they go to the World Cup. Because

1003
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 3: Jurgen didn't even want players to have any type of

1004
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 3: tickets flights organized after the first round.

1005
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: Nothing.

1006
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: He wanted to make sure that we knew that we

1007
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 3: were there for seven games and that was to get

1008
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 3: to the final, and then if we didn't make it,

1009
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: then you make your arrangements you have to take. But

1010
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 3: he wanted everybody thinking that way, and so I think

1011
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 3: that this is not much different. This is Budgettino actually

1012
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 3: thinking what can we do to win the World Cup?

1013
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 3: And sometimes you get a little bit of luck in

1014
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: the draw, you get a little bit of luck in

1015
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 3: the game, And he knows what football is about, So

1016
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,479
Speaker 3: I think he believes what he's saying.

1017
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I have no doubt about that. There if

1018
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: there is during good, bad or indifferent, there's one thing

1019
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: you cannot question reaching a Pochettino, and that's him being

1020
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: genuine and authentic. So I for sure believe that he

1021
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: believes that, and he should and I'm certain that this

1022
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: is what he's kind of the message he's hammering home

1023
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: within the locker room, talking about, hey, like we're not

1024
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: here to just be there, like we're trying to build

1025
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: something and then we're gonna try to compete and we're

1026
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: going to try to do you know, every time we

1027
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: step on the field, we have to believe we're gonna win.

1028
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: It because we don't believe it, then who the hell

1029
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: else is gonna.

1030
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, And by the way, he added to that, if

1031
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 3: in the end you end up losing to someone, then

1032
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: you analyze where you lost, who you lost against, how

1033
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 3: you played, and then you look at the rest of it,

1034
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 3: and you can still have success by not winning the

1035
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: whole thing. But I think the goal always from the

1036
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 3: beginning has to be to win.

1037
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: I completely agree, and that's what we're here on the podcast.

1038
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: We just try to try to go one and o

1039
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: every week to have I think we went one to

1040
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: know this week. So thank you everybody for listening to

1041
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: Inside American Soccer. Please rate, review, and subscribe to wherever

1042
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. The World Cup draw us Friday,

1043
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have reaction and breakdown to the United

1044
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: States group at the World Cup. We cannot wait for

1045
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: that one, so check your podcast feeds for that. We're

1046
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: gonna try to get that up as soon as possible,

1047
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 1: whenever FIFA stops doing their parade and awards and everything else.

1048
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: But that'll be Friday, and we can't wait, and what's

1049
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: Cup Saturday? And then we'll be back at some point

1050
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: and then their future