1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: It's to show that she is the secrets of success 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: experience firsthand by marketing and Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: will know he's giving me advice on many occasions. And 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 2: in case you didn't notice, I'm not broke. You know 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 2: he'll be interviewing celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs and industry. 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: Decision make because it's what he likes to do. It's 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: what he likes to share. 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: Now it's time to hear from my man, Rashan McDonald. 10 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: Money Making Conversations. 11 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: Here we go. 12 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 3: Welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass. I'm your host, Rashwan McDonald. 13 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 3: Our theme is that there's no perfect time to start 14 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: following your dreams. I recognize that we all have different 15 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 3: definitions of success. For you, it may be decided of 16 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 3: your paycheck. Mine has inspire you to accomplish your goals 17 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 3: and live your very best life. It's time to stop 18 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 3: reading other people's success stories and start living your own. 19 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 3: People always talk about their purpose or gift. If you 20 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 3: have a gift, leave with your gift and don't let 21 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: your friends, family, or coworker stop you from planning or 22 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: living your dream. 23 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: My guest today. 24 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: Is Amy Award winning sportscaster Brian custom well dressed. 25 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: He joined ESPN in July twenty twenty one. 26 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: Is an acre for a sports center and they played 27 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: by play commentator for college football and basketball. 28 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: He also has a. 29 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: Keen eye for fashion and his distinct love for picking 30 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 3: up patterns for his custom tailor suits and finding the 31 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 3: way to find that right time to match it. This 32 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 3: realis man is an avid watch collector, sneaker head and 33 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 3: co enthusiasts. Customer holds a degree in Broadcast Journalism from 34 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: HBCU as they see the real h Hampton University. A 35 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 3: cancer survivor, he's a sposed person for the pro State 36 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: Prostate Cancer Foundation. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations master Class. 37 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: And I'm gonna get him a hard time because he 38 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 3: ain't well dressed, y'all. 39 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: Brian Custer. 40 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 4: Very very well dressed because I got the colors on. 41 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: I love it man. How you doing, sir man. 42 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 5: It's a pleasure to be on the show. 43 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: Thank you. 44 00:01:58,480 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: I'm glad we was able to connect me because I 45 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 3: am a fan and uh you know when I when 46 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: I when we look at life man, because life as 47 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: a young person. 48 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: You don't see thirty. Sometimes you don't see forty. 49 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: I'm talking about when your team and then twenty years old, 50 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 3: and then and then as you. 51 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: Go through Let's go back to your early years. 52 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: Because you came out of high off of the state 53 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 3: of Ohio, Okay, and you went to Hampton. How did 54 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: that translate your mind from Ohio to Hampton? 55 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 4: Well, I think like any youngster who was born in Columbus, Ohio, 56 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 4: that's all you eat, live and breathe. Ohio State, love 57 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 4: Ohio State football, love Ohio State basketball. 58 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 5: And for me, it was. 59 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 4: Always a goal to want to play basketball at Ohio State, 60 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 4: you know, going through high school. And I knew that, 61 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 4: Hey look, you know I'm only six two, so I 62 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 4: wouldn't getting any taller. 63 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 5: I had dream of playing basketball at Ohio State. 64 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 4: Kind of vanished, and then it was like, Okay, where 65 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 4: else can I go to play? Am I going to 66 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 4: go to like a Division two school in Ohio? 67 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 5: You know what am I going to do? And you 68 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 5: know this is how? This is how the Lord speaks 69 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 5: to you? Was that? 70 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 4: So I went to church one Sunday and the guest 71 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 4: speaker was the chaplain from Hampton and he was talking 72 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 4: about how Hampton was this and how all of the 73 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 4: best young black men come out of Hampton University. And 74 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: it was almost like, you know what, maybe I ought 75 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 4: to just give up this dream of playing basketball and 76 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 4: just go to then HBCU. And sure enough, I went 77 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 4: down after service talked to Michael Battle, who eventually became 78 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 4: the president of Virginia State. And I went down there 79 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 4: and talked to him and I said, man, Hampton sounds great, 80 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 4: you know, And he said, you know, I hear you're 81 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 4: a good basketball player. I hear your grades are good. 82 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 4: Doc tells me a lot about you. And he said, 83 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 4: what are your grades? Like, I said, I got a 84 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 4: three six? He said, you got a three six Sidney 85 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 4: your transcript. Wow, I'll make sure you get into Hampton. 86 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 4: And that's what I did, and he did. He got 87 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 4: me into Hampton, and I just gave up basketball, the 88 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 4: dream of playing basketball in college and to him, university. 89 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: Now, let letters this was your initial dream. Now you articulate, 90 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 3: have a nice voce tone, winted. The whole idea of 91 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 3: being in television from from in front of the camera 92 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 3: site start creeping into your mind because it says journalism 93 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 3: but then all of a sudden, now you're in broadcast. 94 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean for me, I knew what I wann't 95 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 5: to do when I was five. 96 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: Uh. 97 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 4: You know, I was raised primarily by my mother and 98 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 4: my grandmother, and we lived with my grandmother and she 99 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 4: was one of those who watched Walter Kronkrite CBS Evening News, 100 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 4: and so I would sit right next to her and 101 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 4: that's what we watched every night. 102 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 5: At six thirty booms, she turned it on and we 103 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 5: would watch that. 104 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 4: And as I got older, I would say, like seventh 105 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,119 Speaker 4: eighth grade and you may remember this with Sean kids 106 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 4: now don't remember, you know, listen they had MTV, you 107 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 4: know when we were. 108 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,239 Speaker 5: In college and think that. But before that, on Friday nights, 109 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 5: it was something called Friday Night Video. 110 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely do you remember that? 111 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 4: And so I remember at Friday nights, I will be 112 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 4: watching Friday Night Videos. But before that came on, my 113 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 4: grandmother used to always watch the show Nightline and Ted 114 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 4: Copple was the host of Nightline and I thought he 115 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 4: had Wow. It was just his voice. It just threw 116 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 4: me in and the way he interviewed people. He could 117 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 4: interview people of all races, all religions, and he just 118 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 4: the way he conducted his interviews. I was enthralled, I 119 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 4: was captivated, and I was in seventh eighth grade. At 120 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 4: that point, I knew I wanted to do television. And 121 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 4: as I got even older, because I loved sports so much, 122 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 4: I knew I wanted to get into sports broadcast. 123 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 3: You know when I was talking to Steve. I talked 124 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: to Steve Eismith all the time, and he said that, 125 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: like you, he was watching TV and he was inspired. 126 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 1: He was inspired by Howard Cosell. 127 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 3: And now you know, one of the people inspires him today, 128 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 3: of course is Brian Gumbele. From an African Americans perspective, 129 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: who did you have as an inspiration? 130 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 5: So again from watching sports all the time, one of. 131 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 4: The guys who I loved was IRV Cross because I 132 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 4: would oh, yes, CBS, CBS man football right before that, 133 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 4: you know, the football games on. 134 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 5: So as a kid, that's who I saw. I thought 135 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 5: IRV Cross, uh. 136 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 4: Was the guy, And and then it became James Brown 137 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 4: for me. You know, James Brown was a guy who 138 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 4: I just I just loved his professionalism, the way he 139 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 4: conducted himself, the way he used his words, his vocabulary. 140 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 5: I mean, and and for him and me and him 141 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 5: have become great friends. 142 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 4: He's becoenna. He's been a great mentor for me. I 143 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 4: you text him, call him for any advice. It's you know, 144 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 4: that's That's the one thing I love about this this 145 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 4: business is that when you've idolized and looked up to 146 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 4: someone and then they become a friend, a mentor. 147 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 5: Uh, there's nothing better. So for me from an African American, 148 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 5: there there were. 149 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 4: A couple of people earth cross obviously because I would 150 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 4: watch sports all time, James Brown, Uh. 151 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 5: And then on the female side, right, if you remember 152 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 5: on ABC News Carol Simpson. 153 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, God, I just I mean it was like 154 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 4: for me, it was like the first time seeing a 155 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 4: black woman on network television. 156 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 5: So those to me, those are. 157 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 4: Like icons Mount Rushmore type people when it comes to broadcasting. 158 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: That conversation we got to talk about. 159 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 3: You know you over at Hampton you you know, you 160 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 3: got all these great fraternities. 161 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: On campus, all right, all of them. 162 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 3: You know, you know, I'm a I'm a Vega man 163 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: and you're a camp aple side knew Kine Walker. 164 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: What inspired you to go that way? Because it's all good. 165 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: I'm playing with you because because the bottom line about 166 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: black fraternity is about uplift community, you gotta have a 167 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: GPA to get in. And a lot of times people 168 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 3: forget that because all they hear about is just just 169 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: to step in, and they hear the word party in 170 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: and that is such a low level of why we 171 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: are part of lifetime members of these fraternities. 172 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: What inspired you to become a member of camp aside, well. 173 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 4: Listen, you know you you're influenced by your environment. My 174 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 4: older brother was a kappa, my younger brother is a kapa. 175 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 4: My neighbor growing up was a kappa. Uh, so you know, 176 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 4: obviously that was really for me. That's what I knew. 177 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 4: And you know when I went to Hampton if you 178 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 4: you know, and and for people who know about Hampton University, 179 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 4: it was run by q's I mean doctor Harvey, big 180 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 4: time q uh doctor Khalan who was in charge of 181 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 4: UH punishment and things of that nature. Q. I mean 182 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 4: all the administration were q. Some of my best friends 183 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 4: are cused. But for me, all I knew Waskapa Alpha 184 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 4: said when I got there, Kappas were suspended and uh. 185 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 4: But there were a few noops on the on the 186 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 4: yard and they were just great and befriended a couple 187 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 4: of them. Uh, and I just knew. I mean, for me, 188 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 4: there was no other way uh to go. It's it's 189 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 4: almost like Rashaan, you know, the only thing I could 190 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 4: tell you is now, I don't know what you've been told, 191 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 4: but the streets of having our purple of gold the 192 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 4: world appeared to me in a dream, and he said, 193 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 4: the streets are having are crimson and creams. 194 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: Okay, I ain't gonna go ahead on you. I let 195 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: you just lie. 196 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: Oh oh mag yeah, oh oh mag, god baby. 197 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: Oh oh mad. Somebody trying to sneak in a frat. 198 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: I can't finish it on my podcast direction. But you know, 199 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 1: my brother, you know it's great man. 200 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: You know when we think about our lives and our youth, 201 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 3: because that's that's the part of our life. 202 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: Where we feel invincible. 203 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 3: You know, we just see the future, the possibilities, and 204 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 3: sometimes you can't see the possibility because it's so far away. 205 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: And when you still you start seeing people thirty and forty, 206 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: you can't even imagine that. 207 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 3: Brian, So when did this start coming into play, that 208 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: this career it was a possibility for you? 209 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 4: Well, you know when I when I was in high school, 210 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 4: you know, obviously playing sports and doing a lot of things. 211 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 4: The principal at my high school, you know, really he 212 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 4: took a liking to me, and he always said, hey, 213 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 4: look I need. 214 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 5: You in a leadership role. 215 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 4: And I went to a school called Westernville North High 216 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 4: School in Westernville, Ohio. It's a suburb of Columbus, and uh, 217 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 4: he said, you know, I need you to take a 218 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 4: leadership role. Especially in my junior senior year. One of 219 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 4: the things we did was we produced a video for 220 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 4: our school, and he went, I had I got to 221 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 4: help like narrate it and do that. 222 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 5: I was out kind of out front when they shot it. 223 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 4: So I did those kinds of things, and he gave 224 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 4: me an internship. I got into an internship program that 225 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 4: was for high school and it was about placing you 226 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 4: in a professional setting in a obviously in a job 227 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 4: that you're interested in. So I wanted to be sports, 228 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 4: a sports anchor, and they placed me with the sports 229 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 4: anchor at NBC. And so I would go there every 230 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 4: weekend and I was like an intern man. I did 231 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 4: whatever he wanted me to do, and I did that 232 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,479 Speaker 4: basically my senior year. When I wasn't in season playing basketball, 233 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 4: I would go, and then when it was over, I 234 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 4: still went and I would just go and hang out 235 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 4: with Doug. 236 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 5: I remember the sports taker guy named Douglas Cells. 237 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 4: And I would just go there and still go and 238 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 4: help out even when the internship was over. When I 239 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 4: was in college, when I would come home from Hampton, 240 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 4: I would still go up to the station and go 241 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 4: help him out. 242 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 5: And I just knew this was what I want to do. 243 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 5: And I was at Hampton, I mean. 244 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 4: You know, I got the opportunity to call football game, 245 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 4: I called minor league baseball game, all kinds of stuff, 246 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 4: and I just knew that this was going to be 247 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 4: my calling. And I was lucky enough that when I 248 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 4: graduated from Hampton, my first job was in radio. I 249 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 4: got a job back in Columbus, Ohio at the news 250 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 4: radio station. And this is what you know, kids, they 251 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 4: wanted like this these days. But my first job, man 252 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 4: was that uh news radio station. I worked from midnight 253 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 4: to eight and at the top of the hour, I 254 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 4: came on and I delivered the newscast for five minutes, right, 255 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 4: And that's what I did man, from midnight to eight o'clock. 256 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 5: In the morning. 257 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 4: And I worked that job chund for like a year 258 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 4: and a half and and and then uh, they they 259 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 4: promoted me and they said, Okay, what we're gonna do 260 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 4: is now you're gonna, uh, you're gonna come in and 261 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 4: they said, we're gonna shave your hours where you can 262 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 4: work just just halfway. 263 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 5: You'll work from uh six o'clock to ten o'clock. 264 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 4: You're gonna come in and do do the newscast top 265 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 4: of the hour, and then we're gonna have you work 266 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 4: another four hours from like it was from four to eight. 267 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 4: You're gonna we're gonna send you out and report. And 268 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 4: then I had to like cover the school board, city hall, 269 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 4: all kinds of stuff like that. I was like, I 270 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 4: can't do sports, and they were like, nah, I and 271 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 4: so but I did it. And the crazy thing was, 272 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 4: and you know this all of like the news directors 273 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 4: in town, you know, their radios were set to that 274 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 4: news radio stage. That's what they got up to, and 275 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 4: so they would hear my voice at the top of 276 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 4: the hour. And the news director at the ABC station, 277 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 4: he thought I was a white guy, right, and he 278 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 4: ended up calling me and right out of the state, 279 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 4: said hey, look, I'd like to meet you for dinner. 280 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 5: I ended up. 281 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 4: I'm twenty three, twenty four years old. I ended up 282 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 4: meeting this guy at Chili's. I'll never forget it in 283 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 4: Columbus for dinner one night and I pulled in heat 284 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 4: and the look on his face and I never did it. 285 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 5: Mike Kevio, nice guy. 286 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 4: He just said, you certainly don't look the way he 287 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 4: told me. 288 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 5: That's what he said. You certainly don't look the way 289 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,479 Speaker 5: you sound. I thought you were much older. 290 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 4: And quite and you gotta admit you gotta remember see, 291 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 4: people don't realize this too. 292 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 5: We're shon. This was in the nineties. People can they talked. 293 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 5: We talked much different in the nine gus than we 294 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 5: talked today. 295 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And he said that you look you look much different, 296 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 4: and he goes, I gotta be honest with you. 297 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 5: You're you're darker than. 298 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 4: I thought you were light and h That's how I 299 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 4: got my first job in Tellis. He offered me a 300 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 4: news reporter job. 301 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 3: You know, you know, I know we always said that, 302 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: you know, the kids that they don't want to work hard, well, 303 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 3: in some way they don't have to with the way 304 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 3: social media allows them to grow these brands and jump 305 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 3: out on TikTok and jump out on Instagram and especially YouTube. 306 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: They're millionaires and thousandaires just tied to their subscriber base 307 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: as influencers. It's really incredible how that game has changed 308 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: and allow people I call them innovators. I don't I 309 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 3: don't really jump down too hard on because if I 310 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 3: had that technology, no telling what I would be doing. 311 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: Because I'm using technology now to be able to produce 312 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: this and feel like I'm in a studio and it's 313 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 3: really just in my office building. So technology allows us 314 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 3: to like bridge some gaps. 315 00:14:59,040 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: But as you as you. 316 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 3: Go through these journeys, you know you and I share 317 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 3: a story. When I say share a story, it's tied 318 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 3: to cancer, and I just want to share a little 319 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 3: bit of my story because I want to hear your 320 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: entire story because it's important. And one of the reasons 321 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 3: I brought you on the show, Brian, not the fact 322 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 3: that you are successful. And I feel that everybody wants 323 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: to be And I say everybody because everybodys sitting at 324 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 3: home want to be a play by play who watching 325 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 3: watching football, baseball, basketball, soccer, They want to do play 326 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 3: by play. But when I was diagnosed with tyrod cancer 327 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen. I can remember, just like today, when 328 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: they said the word cancer. 329 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: You know, I heard. 330 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: It, and then they said something that we can. Then 331 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 3: they just use the word treaty. We can, probably we can. 332 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: We called it early, sir, we could treat it. But 333 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 3: I just stayed on the word cancer because all I 334 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 3: all I all I heard was Wow, who survives cancer? 335 00:15:59,440 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: You know? 336 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 3: How can I live? How could I tell my family? 337 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: How can I go public with this and tell people 338 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 3: that I work with? How would that affect how they 339 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 3: look at me? It really started resonating with me in 340 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 3: such a powerful way that it scared me. 341 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: And it also allowed me to put. 342 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 3: My life in perspective because I didn't tell my wife 343 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: immediately because I wanted to find out where I was 344 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 3: at mentally. 345 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: And when I. 346 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 3: Looked at it, it's all about where you at in life. 347 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 3: And at that point, and I still today, I felt 348 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: that I was good if it was going to go 349 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 3: that way. I was good because I'd accomplished the things 350 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: that I've always wanted to do in my life. 351 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: I felt I was a good person. 352 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 3: I felt I had enabled other people to be successful 353 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 3: tied to the talents that God gave me, and I 354 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 3: was cool with it, but it still was a moment 355 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 3: in my life where time did stand still. 356 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I tell you, Rachelle, I don't know if you 357 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 4: could see my arm and that hair is standing up, 358 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 4: because it's almost like everything you said happened to me, 359 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 4: because you know it look like you. 360 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 5: It was basically ten years ago. 361 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 4: Ten years ago in August was when I got diagnosed 362 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 4: with prostate cancer. Like even like today, I feel like 363 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 4: I'm in the best shape of my life. Even then, 364 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 4: I was a forty two year old man, strong this 365 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 4: and that, doing martial arts, boxing, playing who doing all 366 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 4: kinds of crazy. But the one thing about it was 367 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 4: I'm probably the only person in my family who goes 368 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 4: to the doctor and gets an annual checkup every year. 369 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 5: Religious the only person in my family who would do that. 370 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 4: And just went to my regular checkup and the doctor 371 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 4: was telling me like, hey, man, you know if we 372 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 4: need to do your PSA, you know, because you're forty. 373 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 5: Now, and da da da da da. 374 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 4: And at the time, I was like, what's the PSA 375 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 4: for proste I didn't even know what my prostate was. 376 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 5: I know what my prostate did and I was like, yeah, 377 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 5: for what. 378 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 4: And they were like, yeah, well, you know it's something 379 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 4: that is affecting men of color and you should, you know, 380 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 4: we should, you know, take this. It's just a blood test. 381 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 4: And then I've got to do a digital rector exam. 382 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,959 Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, all I thought was that 383 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 4: movie Flesh. I don't know about this doctor right, And 384 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 4: it was that kind of that stigma, like I don't know, 385 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 4: and he was like, look, we need to do it. 386 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 4: And we did it. And just to be to be 387 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 4: full full disclosure this, I really got it. When I 388 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 4: was forty we did it, and in any the following 389 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 4: year when I went to my physical, he wanted to 390 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 4: do it again to give me the PSA one I 391 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 4: was giving my face and I was like. 392 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 5: Look, we did that last year. 393 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 4: The results came back, I was good, and we ain't 394 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 4: got to do that and we blew it off. And 395 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 4: then when I was forty two went to back and 396 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 4: get my physical, He's like. 397 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 5: Oh, let's do your PSA. I was like, ah, we 398 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,959 Speaker 5: did it last year. I wouldn't again, stigma. I wouldn't 399 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 5: have him trying to stick his finger up. I was 400 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 5: like that absolutely not down with that, and so he 401 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 5: was like, no, I. 402 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 4: Think we need to do it because we didn't do 403 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 4: it last year. 404 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 5: You didn't want to do it. And luckily, you know what, 405 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 5: we did it. 406 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 4: And when he gave me the digital rectord exam, he 407 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 4: felt the bump on my prostat and he said, look, 408 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 4: when the results come back, if they're above a four, 409 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 4: then you know we got to talk. If not, then 410 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 4: you know, maybe it's just a calcium deposit or something. 411 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 4: But I'm a little worried about that bump. Results did 412 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 4: come back and they were a five point four. Wow, 413 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 4: And in my mind I was trying to justify it. 414 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 4: So I was like, oh, that's not that high. Over 415 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 4: a four, maybe it's pretty good. 416 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 5: You know. I just put the results away and didn't 417 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 5: even think about it. 418 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 4: And then maybe two weeks later I ended up calling him, 419 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 4: left him a voicemail and he was like, yeah, it 420 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 4: means we need to you know, you need to come 421 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 4: back in and we need to do another one. Did 422 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 4: another PSA test, bump was still there, results were still high, 423 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 4: and then we had the biopsy, and at this time 424 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 4: he was kind of like you. He was like, look, 425 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 4: we're not gonna say don't say nothing to your family, 426 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 4: don't say nothing to nobody, because I think we ought 427 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 4: to know what it is before we go forward, and 428 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 4: we don't want to scare anybody because it really could 429 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 4: just be a spike, It could be a calcium deposit. 430 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 5: And so I was not saying to anybody. Man. And 431 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 5: I had that biopsy, man, and you know that, as 432 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 5: you know, it was horrible and uh. 433 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 4: And I just remember driving into work into the city 434 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 4: in New York City one time and I looked on 435 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 4: my phone and it was two one two, so I 436 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 4: knew it was the doctor. And I called and I 437 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 4: was like, oh, yeah, I'm about to go into the work, 438 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 4: into the job right now. 439 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 5: You can just give me the results. And he was like, nah, 440 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 5: I think you ought to come to the office. Yeah, 441 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 5: And at that point. 442 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: Which was basically was giving you the results. Yes. 443 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 4: I made a five block walk to his office, and 444 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 4: I felt like that movie Dead Man walking because I 445 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 4: knew something was going down and it was kind of 446 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 4: like you. As soon as I walked in the office, 447 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 4: the assistant was like, Brian Custer's. 448 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 5: Here, He's ready for you. And I walked right into 449 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 5: his office. 450 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 4: He was sitting there and I'll never forget every time 451 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 4: he said, listen, man, there's there's never any way to 452 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 4: tell you this. You know, you got cancer. It's aggressive, 453 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 4: it's looking around, and he said, I gotta be honest, 454 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta find somebody, a specialist and get 455 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 4: you into surgery. 456 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 5: Like now, he said. 457 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 4: And at that time, all I saw when he all 458 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 4: I saw, all I heard was cancer. 459 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 3: How did you dance that moment of being confident comfortable 460 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 3: to talk about that? 461 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 4: And so here's here's the thing again, I'm going back 462 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 4: to what you is. This is in twenty thirteen, so 463 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 4: the times now again are a little bit different. My 464 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 4: whole aspect at that point was I don't want nobody 465 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 4: to know. 466 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 5: First of all, I was like many other guys. I'm like, 467 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 5: I'm forty two. I got prosta. This is an old 468 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 5: man's disease. 469 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 4: All I used to hear about was your grandfather and 470 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 4: this and that got prostate cancer, not a forty two 471 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 4: year old man. 472 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 5: And I'm not trying to. 473 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 4: Tell anybody this and tell anybody I got cancer because 474 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 4: now people don't think I'm gonna be dead. And I 475 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 4: remember the doc was like, you know, look, we'll keep 476 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 4: it to ourselves, you're gonna we're gonna, we're gonna get 477 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 4: you into surgery and you're gonna be okay. And so 478 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 4: I remember going to the network and I had to 479 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 4: talk to our president. Our president. Our president was in 480 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 4: the room, the vice president of the network was in 481 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 4: the room, and so was the PR guy. I told 482 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 4: him what I had. You know, obviously I was very emotional. 483 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 4: They were like, look, we're gonna keep it quiet. We're 484 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 4: just gonna say that you're going off on vacation and 485 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 4: then you know, we'll address it. We will address it 486 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 4: after you have surgery and we know everything is okay 487 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 4: at that point, then we'll let people know. But until 488 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 4: that time, Brian, what do you want to do? And 489 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 4: I said, well, I'm gonna keep working and I'm not 490 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 4: gonna say anything. And they were like, look, we're not 491 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 4: gonna say And I didn't say anything to anybody until 492 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 4: the day I had surgery. Was the day I made 493 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 4: it public that I had prost tact cancer. And the 494 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 4: only reason why was because my doctor he referred to 495 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 4: a specialist who is the guy named David Somati here 496 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 4: in New York who does who does surgeries on prostact 497 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 4: can great urologists. And I remember he's saying, I'm the best, Brian, 498 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 4: You're gonna be great. I know it's aggressive, but we're 499 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 4: gonna go in there. We're gonna get your prostate and 500 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 4: I'm gonna take care of you. And he said, I'm 501 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 4: only going to ask one thing of you, and he said, 502 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 4: I need you to use your platform to help men 503 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 4: of color about this disease, because he says it is 504 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 4: ravaging your men of color and they need somebody to face, 505 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 4: a young face like you to see that look, it's okay, 506 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 4: I have it too, and it's all right, it's not 507 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 4: don't be shameful about it and be honest about it, Brian. 508 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 4: He goes, that's the only thing I'm going to ask 509 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 4: of you, and at that point I was like, doctor, 510 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 4: I'm not trying to tell nobody. He said, that's the 511 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,479 Speaker 4: only thing I can ask. And after discussing it with 512 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 4: my family and everything, I said, okay, you know, obviously 513 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 4: I have it for a reason, and God put me. 514 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, And it's important. 515 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 3: He said that because of the fact that when I 516 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 3: talk sometimes a cancer I always tell people I know 517 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 3: I don't look like a cancer survivor because people stereotype 518 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 3: of the cancer survivor look like gray hair, come poorly 519 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 3: out of shape, you know, down on they love you, know, 520 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 3: they kind of like stigmatize them the look a certain way, 521 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 3: so it can't ever be me, when it will definitely 522 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 3: be you because of the possibility of your lack of knowledge, 523 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 3: lack of education, lack of resistance, like you resisted of 524 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 3: years of getting these checkups and and and it only 525 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 3: just got words to think about cancer. Cancer don't go 526 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 3: away without help. It's gonna just keep winning until you 527 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 3: step in and realize that you have to be honest 528 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 3: with your body. Listen to your body, because your body 529 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: is telling you, is talking to you, is telling you 530 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 3: these things are not comfortable, that it's not right. And 531 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 3: when you ignore because of manhood, you ignoring because of rumors, 532 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 3: You're ignoring because of stereotypes, that can cost you and 533 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 3: your family and your friends. A great person gets who 534 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 3: that great person is you, So it's good to remember that. 535 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 5: Yep, absolutely, I. 536 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: Know you know. 537 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: I'm gonna just tell you this now. You know we're 538 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 3: about twenty six minutes. Man, we've been talking. But before 539 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 3: we go, man, I know you covered this fight this weekend. 540 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 3: I'll call it a fight, Brian. But uh, it was 541 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 3: going good. They were looking good, Tattoo Sweaton. Then all 542 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 3: of a sudden, my man, my man came right under 543 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 3: his ribs and my man back to the collar and squatted. 544 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 4: Anybody knows who's fought you take a shot to the liver, 545 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 4: it's a rat. 546 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 5: And I think for for Ryan Garcia, that liver shot 547 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 5: had a lot to do with it. 548 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 4: And too, you know, look he looked down, and I 549 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 4: think Tank even said it. He said when he took 550 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 4: that shot and he took that knee, he said, he 551 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 4: looked up. He saw Tank, Sir said, and he told 552 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 4: him he said, he looked at it. His said, in 553 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 4: other words. 554 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 5: Don't get up. 555 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 4: If you get up, I'm gonna really put these hands 556 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 4: on you. 557 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 5: And Ryan's a good looking young man. I think that 558 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 5: was a bit this decision too. 559 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: Hey, good good kid. 560 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 4: And I'm hurting this dude's about to rearrange my faith 561 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 4: and I'm too. 562 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 6: Crazy right now to have some damage done to this face. 563 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 6: So he said, you know what, Nate, not just go 564 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 6: ahead and get to ten. Yeah, all right, now I 565 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 6: get up and the fight was over. Yeah, it was great. 566 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 6: I'm gonna tell you something. I'm a big fan, Brian, 567 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 6: and thank you. I'm gonna tell you something for us. 568 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 3: I have this comfortable conversation this journey and it's almost 569 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 3: thirty minutes. 570 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: It really tells us we have a relationship. 571 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 3: And I say that to say that anytime you need me, 572 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 3: anytime you I got something. 573 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: I want to promote or get out there. 574 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 3: You know, I definitely want to be a sponsor for you, 575 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 3: a big brother to you because I am older than 576 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 3: you and I've done this all my life and again, man, 577 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 3: and even more, a more closer relationship like my boy 578 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 3: Steven as my boy. You know, that's my little brother. 579 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 3: It's my best friend. And so now I'm gonna throw you. 580 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 3: I'm gonna lump you in there too, okay, Brian. 581 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 4: Why I love that because I've been I've been such 582 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 4: a fan of everything you do. 583 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 5: When you look at look, I think people underestimate your 584 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 5: resume and what you had done. 585 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 4: I mean, you're a freaking legend dude in this business. Man, 586 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,239 Speaker 4: and listen, I love working alongside with Steven. I mean, 587 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 4: Stephen has just done great things at the network. You're know, 588 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 4: with the face, you're at you're at the worldwide leader 589 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:20,719 Speaker 4: and we got a black man h black man HBCU 590 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 4: and that to me, that's what I love it. 591 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Brian. We're gonna talk to my brother.