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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so
Speaker 3: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I was
Speaker 3: recently on social media and one of my classmates from
Speaker 3: high school mentioned something about our fortieth high school reunion
Speaker 3: and it took me a second forty years since I
Speaker 3: graduated high school. That must make me fifty eight, and
Speaker 3: it does. But inside I'm still me. Very hard to believe.
Speaker 3: I'm fifty eight years old, and whatever age you are,
Speaker 3: you probably feel the same way. You're still you. I'm
Speaker 3: still me. We look in the mirror, though we may
Speaker 3: look a little different. In fact, living in our bodies,
Speaker 3: there may be some aches and pains and things have changed.
Speaker 3: But we are still us, aren't we. I found this
Speaker 3: quote author unknown, but I'd like to read it to you.
Speaker 3: I asked an elderly woman once what it was like
Speaker 3: to be old and to know that the majority of
Speaker 3: her life was behind her now. She told me that
Speaker 3: she has been the same age her entire life. She said,
Speaker 3: the voice inside of her head had never aged. She
Speaker 3: has always been the same girl, her mother's daughter. She
Speaker 3: had always wondered when she would grow up and be
Speaker 3: an old woman.
Speaker 5: She said.
Speaker 3: She watched her body age and her faculties dull, but
Speaker 3: the person she is inside never got tired. She never aged,
Speaker 3: She never changed. Remember, our spirits are eternal, our souls
Speaker 3: are forever. So the next time you encounter an elderly person,
Speaker 3: look at them and know that they are still a
Speaker 3: child inside, just as you are still a child. And
Speaker 3: children will always need love, attention, and purpose. Don't you
Speaker 3: just love that?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 3: I think this episode will be titled I'm Still Me,
Speaker 3: because when we migrate to the other side, we simply
Speaker 3: open our eyes and we're still us. We just happen
Speaker 3: to be being greeted by our loved ones pets that
Speaker 3: have passed, but we are still very much alive. Think
Speaker 3: about when you woke up this morning, You're still you.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: Of course, You've got years of a past that are
Speaker 3: behind you, but they don't live in the present moment.
Speaker 3: You live in the present moment two right now listening
Speaker 3: to shades of the afterlife. On our episode today, I
Speaker 3: want to tell you different stories that come from different
Speaker 3: people who have died. I love telling these kind of
Speaker 3: stories because throughout the beginning of time there have been
Speaker 3: different kinds of mediums who have brought through loved ones.
Speaker 3: There's been physical mediums, trance mediums. What we see in
Speaker 3: the world right now is a lot of evidential mediums
Speaker 3: who will say, I've got your mom here. She used
Speaker 3: to make you raspberry pancakes every breakfast and you will
Speaker 3: say yes, right, So that's evidential mediums, trance mediums. Well,
Speaker 3: you've heard mister Eric, an old English voice speaking through
Speaker 3: a young man named Scott Milligan. You've heard him many
Speaker 3: times on Shades of the Afterlife. But in time, in past,
Speaker 3: there were people that were trance mediums, but they would
Speaker 3: actually channel your loved ones. So what this would look
Speaker 3: like is the medium would be in front of you,
Speaker 3: eyes would be closed. It may sound like the medium's voice,
Speaker 3: but the words coming through would be from your loved one.
Speaker 3: This kind of mediumship is very, very very rare. In fact,
Speaker 3: when you think of the movie Ghost and you think
Speaker 3: of Whoopi Goldberg, she was channeling Patrick Swayze to Demi Moore,
Speaker 3: And that's kind of what I'm talking about. Now. I
Speaker 3: have the opportunity to study trance mediumship at Arthur Finley College,
Speaker 3: and the instructor did a demonstration of this, well we'll
Speaker 3: call it trance channeling. She did it two times. One
Speaker 3: the person in front of her was a man, and
Speaker 3: the other the person in front of her was a woman,
Speaker 3: and each time it was one of their parents that
Speaker 3: spoke through her directly to the recipient with details to
Speaker 3: prove that it was really them words, letting the person
Speaker 3: know that there's still very much with them and of
Speaker 3: course there's always love shared. And seeing this is so wonderful.
Speaker 3: I can honestly say I cried really hard after it
Speaker 3: because imagine what it would be like for your loved
Speaker 3: one to talk to you again. Amazing. So my hope
Speaker 3: for the future if you're someone who is an evidential
Speaker 3: medium right now is you learn a little trance mediumship.
Speaker 3: We have Scott Milligan's class online almost every Monday. It
Speaker 3: changes a little month to month, and I definitely trust
Speaker 3: the tutors at the Arthur Finley College in the UK,
Speaker 3: but it's a beautiful way to let the spirit world
Speaker 3: work with us. No one takes us over like you
Speaker 3: see in the movies. Some of the stories I will
Speaker 3: share with you today came through such trance mediums letting
Speaker 3: their loved one know, Hey, I'm still me and I'm
Speaker 3: still alive. I found a handful of stories that just
Speaker 3: warmed my heart about still being us in the afterlife,
Speaker 3: but also what life is like in the afterlife. The
Speaker 3: third type of medium is a physical medium, which is
Speaker 3: very rare and currently oh the physical mediums on planet Earth.
Speaker 3: A lot of them are doing some weird things, producing
Speaker 3: gemstones from out of the darkness. While I don't go
Speaker 3: for that. I have witnessed good physical mediumship with a
Speaker 3: medium named David Thompson and also Scott Milligan, where loved
Speaker 3: one's voices seem to come from out of the air
Speaker 3: and talk to their loved one. There was a gentleman
Speaker 3: who died many years ago by the name of Leslie Flint,
Speaker 3: and I'll be including some of the stories that happened
Speaker 3: through his mediumship. Also, Leslie was a physical medium and
Speaker 3: he would host small groups of people or one on
Speaker 3: one with people back in the day and they'd want
Speaker 3: to talk to their loved one. Leslie would have his
Speaker 3: mouth taped shut. He was even tested. They'd put color
Speaker 3: dye in his mouth, and yet these voices would still
Speaker 3: come from what seemed out of nowhere. So far, he's
Speaker 3: the only medium I know that ever existed that was
Speaker 3: able to do this. Some of the stories will come
Speaker 3: from the recordings of what people witnessed with their loved ones.
Speaker 3: Because the voice quality isn't great and these tapes date
Speaker 3: way back. I'll tell you the stories in my own voice.
Speaker 3: I highly recommend that you check out the website leslieflint
Speaker 3: dot com and his book Voices in the Dark. Before
Speaker 3: I share the stories, I want to express what I've
Speaker 3: learned in the last twenty six years about the actual
Speaker 3: dying process. No matter how we get over there, we
Speaker 3: are greeted by loved ones and we will feel like
Speaker 3: I'm still me. So that's all good. Before that happens, though, ooh,
Speaker 3: how do we get there? I think the best way
Speaker 3: to go is when we're old and gray after a
Speaker 3: long life and we have a natural death. But unfortunately,
Speaker 3: there are accidents. Some people pass by illness, some people
Speaker 3: take their own lives unfortunately, and others take people's lives
Speaker 3: through killings. It's never easy to have someone pass for
Speaker 3: those left behind, But for us, we want to know
Speaker 3: is it scary? Does it hurt? What does it feel like?
Speaker 3: I want to rest your mind that death itself is painless.
Speaker 3: Many say it's like getting very sleepy and then just
Speaker 3: falling asleep. But those of us who have seen our
Speaker 3: loved ones suffer. Like my dad before his passing, he
Speaker 3: had cancer and he was in an incredible amount of pain.
Speaker 3: It is said by our friends in spirit and through
Speaker 3: longtime mediums that our soul can leave the body before
Speaker 3: the body passes, and this has been documented in cases
Speaker 3: of near death experiences, many of which I've shared on
Speaker 3: Shades of the Afterlife, where people's consciousness is out of
Speaker 3: their body and they're able to witness what's happening to
Speaker 3: their body from the outside or above. In many cases,
Speaker 3: those who are suffering, their consciousness leaves, and when we
Speaker 3: do get to the other side, we may, of course
Speaker 3: remember how we passed, but that pain, that memory of
Speaker 3: any discomfort before we left, that is gone. There's no punishment,
Speaker 3: we've spoken before, there's no judgment. It's for us to
Speaker 3: do our own life review. Death isn't the scary part.
Speaker 3: Life is the scary part. And of course not a
Speaker 3: single one of us wishes to suffer or have our
Speaker 3: loved one suffer. So I am a strong proponent if
Speaker 3: the end is getting near by sickness, that we all
Speaker 3: turn to hospice, which has the best pain medication known
Speaker 3: to mankind. So again, when we say we're afraid of death,
Speaker 3: that may be afraid of the pain. But I strongly
Speaker 3: believe that our consciousness does leave our body before the
Speaker 3: body dies. Even in cases of dementia and Alzheimer's. It's
Speaker 3: as if those folks have one foot in our world
Speaker 3: and one foot they're already seeing into the afterlife. And
Speaker 3: let's not forget that we have a greeting committee that
Speaker 3: when we're in that in between place, still alive, on
Speaker 3: the threshold of passing, loved ones guides. Some people see angels,
Speaker 3: we can see into the afterlife. It's all happening to
Speaker 3: comfortably bring us across the veil. We'll take our first
Speaker 3: break in a moment, but when we come back, you'll
Speaker 3: hear about South African lawyer Jasper Swain and his conversations
Speaker 3: with his deceased son Mike, with and without the aid
Speaker 3: of a medium. Conversations Mike details his new world and
Speaker 3: his new life. For instance, Mike says, the actual act
Speaker 3: of dying is as simple as dozing off after lunch.
Speaker 3: A drowsy feeling fills the whole body with relaxing comfort.
Speaker 3: We'll hear his story when we get back. Are you
Speaker 3: ready to take the ride into the I'm still me
Speaker 3: stories about the other side from people on the other side.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the
Speaker 3: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Speaker 3: I'd like to share with you some excerpts from the
Speaker 3: book From My World to Yours, which was first published
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy four by South African lawyer Jasper Swain
Speaker 3: after his eldest son, Mike, tragically died in a car
Speaker 3: accident in South Africa. Mike, who was just eighteen years
Speaker 3: old at the time, was accompanied by Heather, an eleven
Speaker 3: year old daughter of one of his friends. Shortly after
Speaker 3: the funeral, Jasper went to see missus Nina Marrington, who
Speaker 3: had offered him her services to act as a medium
Speaker 3: in order to establish contact with Mike in the spirit world.
Speaker 3: After Nina passed into trance, Jasper was startled to hear
Speaker 3: her speaking with Mike's voice, addressing him as Shud a
Speaker 3: name that only his dead son had ever used. When
Speaker 3: asked how the accident happened, Mike said that he would
Speaker 3: place Medium Nina in the driver's seat so that she
Speaker 3: could describe exactly how things had transpired the entrance. Medium
Speaker 3: began by saying he has placed me in a small
Speaker 3: green mini car. It is a terribly hot day and
Speaker 3: I'm driving along a very crowded road. There is a
Speaker 3: little girl beside me. Her name is Heather. She is
Speaker 3: chatting to me about her mom and dad, who are
Speaker 3: in the car ahead of us. I can see their
Speaker 3: car approximately fifty yards away. It is gray in color.
Speaker 3: It is noon, and there is a mass of holiday
Speaker 3: traffic passing us in both directions. Now, I see a
Speaker 3: black car coming towards us. As it approaches us, I
Speaker 3: see this other car coming behind it. I can see
Speaker 3: this other car clearly because it is in the middle
Speaker 3: of the road trying to pass the black car. Nina
Speaker 3: paused for a moment and said, the sun is glaring
Speaker 3: on the windscreen of the black car and reflecting back
Speaker 3: into my eyes. I can see nothing but a bright
Speaker 3: silver radiance. It is blinding to me. All of a sudden,
Speaker 3: the radiance changes from silver to gold. I am being
Speaker 3: lifted up in the air out through the top of
Speaker 3: the car. I grab little Heather's hand. She too is
Speaker 3: being lifted up out of the car. We have been
Speaker 3: lifted thirty feet above the Mini, and in one horrifying second,
Speaker 3: I see the little Mini and this large car collide
Speaker 3: head on. The little Mini bounces right off the highway,
Speaker 3: right over onto the gravel verge. It is finally brought
Speaker 3: to a halt and a cloud of dust when it
Speaker 3: hits a giant hill the large cars turning in mid air,
Speaker 3: its nose flips over until it is back to front.
Speaker 3: Then it smashes down on the road on its side.
Speaker 3: A storm of metallic dust is now glinting all over
Speaker 3: the road. The medium Nina stopped, obviously too agitated to continue.
Speaker 3: What impressed her listeners was the fact that Mike had
Speaker 3: never seen the other vehicle until after the silver light
Speaker 3: had changed to gold. He and Heather had felt no
Speaker 3: sense of impact. They had suffered no pain, just a
Speaker 3: gentle ascent into the air. Nina recovered herself enough to continue.
Speaker 3: Heather and I are still holding hands. We now descend
Speaker 3: beside the Mini. We see two crumpled bodies lying in it.
Speaker 3: We feel vaguely sorry that this thing should have happened
Speaker 3: to them, and we both fully understand that we are now,
Speaker 3: so far as mortals are concerned, dead. We are both
Speaker 3: aware that a lot of people have begun to gather
Speaker 3: around us. They are dressed in glorious colors. We even
Speaker 3: recognize some of the people. They are the faces of
Speaker 3: friends and family who passed beyond the earth before us.
Speaker 3: Heather and I are still standing hand in hand, Now
Speaker 3: guided by the one who first lifted us into the air,
Speaker 3: the two of us sweep towards the skies. We drift
Speaker 3: about the two round hills known as the Breasts of
Speaker 3: Sheba in heartfelt joy. The three jasper, his wife, Clarice,
Speaker 3: and his second son, Kevin listen, transported by the fact
Speaker 3: that the passing had involved neither fear, shock nor suffering.
Speaker 3: Mike now addressed himself to his brother. Sometime after the crash,
Speaker 3: Kevin had noticed that dust was gathering on his bicycle,
Speaker 3: and he began to clean it. In the process, he
Speaker 3: noticed that the drive chain was dry. In too much
Speaker 3: of a hurry to find the grease gun, he rashly
Speaker 3: decided to take a chance with the oil can. He
Speaker 3: messed it up, however, and oil flowed out of the
Speaker 3: bottom of the casing and made a pool on the
Speaker 3: kitchen floor. Kevin had mopped up the oil with one
Speaker 3: of Mike's dusters, which he promptly washed and iron before
Speaker 3: returning it to the drawer. Through the entranced medium Nina,
Speaker 3: Mike informed him that he had watched the whole thing
Speaker 3: him making a mess, and if he had been there,
Speaker 3: he wouldn't have helped him clean it. This left Kevin
Speaker 3: devoid of speech, because this episode had occurred long after
Speaker 3: the funeral and no one knew about it except himself.
Speaker 3: Mike next turned to his mother. I'm so glad you've
Speaker 3: begun to accept what has happened, he told her. Never
Speaker 3: allow yourself to mourn. Just send us your love, send
Speaker 3: us your happiness. These we can use in service of others.
Speaker 3: The other morning, Mom, just after sunrise, you left the
Speaker 3: bedroom and went down to the garden in your dressing gown,
Speaker 3: and you picked a single, perfect white rose. I was
Speaker 3: with you then, and I surrounded you with all of
Speaker 3: my love. Mom. If you ever do get depressed again,
Speaker 3: go out into the garden and pick another flower. I
Speaker 3: shall be there with you again and again. Jasper and
Speaker 3: Kevin knew nothing of this, having been asleep when Clarice
Speaker 3: had gone down into the garden. But in the weeks
Speaker 3: that followed, whenever Clarice went alone to the garden, Jasper
Speaker 3: and Kevin would notice that, no matter how somber she
Speaker 3: was leaving the house, she would come back later with
Speaker 3: her eyes sparkling and her face transformed. Mike, where are
Speaker 3: you now? His father? Jasper asked him. The reply came instantly.
Speaker 3: I am surrounded by the love and peace of our father.
Speaker 3: But where are you? What world are you in? Can
Speaker 3: you tell me? I'm in a world that looks pretty
Speaker 3: much the same as your world, Dad, Only there are
Speaker 3: different laws up here. When I say laws, I don't
Speaker 3: mean the laws that govern behavior of the people. I
Speaker 3: mean the laws that govern thought. Mike, tell me more
Speaker 3: about that world. How do you get there? Where does
Speaker 3: it exist? Dad? Everyone comes here through the gates of death.
Speaker 3: You have to rearrange your values to appreciate its virtues. Though,
Speaker 3: while you are still on earth, your thought, your intentions,
Speaker 3: everything you do gives your soul a certain rate of vibration.
Speaker 3: For argument's sake, let's suppose your soul is vibrating in
Speaker 3: a fifty megacycle band. When you die and manifest here,
Speaker 3: you would go straight to the part of our world,
Speaker 3: which vibrates at fifty megacycles. By the same token, if
Speaker 3: you're a slow thinking sort of a blow o, you
Speaker 3: can only vibrate to fifteen megacycles, then you'll become part
Speaker 3: of this world in the fifteen megacycle range. It all
Speaker 3: depends on your rate of vibration. Therefore, you yourself select
Speaker 3: the kind of scenery that will await you when you
Speaker 3: arrive here. The worlds above us are even richer in
Speaker 3: light and happiness. If I go up there, and I
Speaker 3: can right now, I find it too bright. The light
Speaker 3: hurts my eyes, and the vibrations are so refined that
Speaker 3: I can't respond to them. So I just reverse gear
Speaker 3: and return to this world, which suits me just fine.
Speaker 3: Is Dad? Jasper begins to ask these worlds that you
Speaker 3: refer to, Mike, not so much world's Dad, as planes
Speaker 3: of existence. Though we have sun and the skies and
Speaker 3: acres of beautiful flowers here, we don't have rain as
Speaker 3: you know it, Nor is there any blight to destroy
Speaker 3: the beauty of the trees. They look exactly the same
Speaker 3: as they do on Earth, with one big difference. However,
Speaker 3: here they are all perfect. There are no high winds
Speaker 3: to warp and twist them. There are only gentle breezes.
Speaker 3: It is always coolish warm, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: My greatest joy here is my sense of perfect freedom.
Speaker 3: We can go wherever we like, whenever we feel like it.
Speaker 3: This world is infinite, and though everyone you meet on
Speaker 3: this plane is at the same stage of development as yourself,
Speaker 3: he is still a rugged individualist in his own right,
Speaker 3: just as he was on Earth. Everyone has his or
Speaker 3: her own way of looking at things and his or
Speaker 3: her own way of speaking their mind. When you discuss
Speaker 3: anything here, you always learn something new because the person
Speaker 3: you are talking to has such an original attitude. And
Speaker 3: as I said, thought is all powerful here. For example,
Speaker 3: if I want to own a brand new Jaguar, all
Speaker 3: I have to do is visualize the car in my mind,
Speaker 3: and it is created right there before my eyes out
Speaker 3: of the thought energy of this world. If we are
Speaker 3: far away from one another and we want to make contact,
Speaker 3: telepathy is the accepted thing here. I merely have to
Speaker 3: think of the fellow I want to speak to and bingo,
Speaker 3: he's right there. We contact each other as easily as
Speaker 3: you use the telephone, except that we don't need to
Speaker 3: pick up a phone. If someone wants to talk to you,
Speaker 3: you first hear him in your mind. If you want
Speaker 3: to go to him, you merely exert your will, and
Speaker 3: in two ticks you're right there. Takes a bit of
Speaker 3: practice and getting used to, but it beats TV by
Speaker 3: a mile. You see how perfect everything is. This world
Speaker 3: is the right one for me at this stage of
Speaker 3: my development. But as my vibrations become more refined, I
Speaker 3: shall be able to visit the higher planes with ease.
Speaker 3: And when I want to study the law and learn
Speaker 3: how it operates, we go to the Hall of logic.
Speaker 3: There are many halls of knowledge and wisdom. Here we
Speaker 3: can travel from one end of this realm to another
Speaker 3: as fast as lightning. Our bodies never get tired. Illness
Speaker 3: and sickness don't exist here. This is a world of perfection.
Speaker 3: All this information took Jasper some considerable time to digest,
Speaker 3: and his next question to Mike was, Mike, if you
Speaker 3: are safe in the infinite domain of God? Where is hell?
Speaker 3: This was met by a burst of hearty laughter. G
Speaker 3: Dad answered Mike, Hell only exists where you are now.
Speaker 3: Those were excerpts from the book From My World to Yours.
Speaker 3: It's time for our next break, and when we come back,
Speaker 3: we'll hear more stories from people in the afterlife. You're
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Speaker 3: I'd like to now introduce you to the work of
Speaker 3: medium Leslie Flint. Mister Flint became a famous British medium
Speaker 3: not because he stood on a platform to give messages
Speaker 3: from the deceased, but because countless thousands of spirit people
Speaker 3: spoke for themselves out of the darkness. He was called
Speaker 3: a direct voice medium. These voices were independent of mister Flint.
Speaker 3: He even spoke with them himself, describing the voices that
Speaker 3: were heard above my head and slightly to one side
Speaker 3: of me. By the time his book Voices in the
Speaker 3: Dark was first published in nineteen seventy one, Flint had
Speaker 3: already been a medium for over forty years, yet he
Speaker 3: continued with his work for another twenty years. His experience
Speaker 3: and knowledge of what happens to us after death is
Speaker 3: second to none. His mediumship was tested by independent researchers
Speaker 3: time and time again, and still the voices came to
Speaker 3: speak their messages to their loved ones that we are alive,
Speaker 3: we are eternal spirits living a physical life, and that
Speaker 3: we do live on after death. Although Leslie Flint passed
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety four at the age of eighty three.
Speaker 3: Journalist Neville Randall spent two years sifting through the hundreds
Speaker 3: of recordings made by George Woods and Betty Green with
Speaker 3: people who spoke through medium Leslie Flint. Randall's book Life
Speaker 3: After Death is a detailed account of life beyond the
Speaker 3: grave in the worlds of the people who live there.
Speaker 3: Many say it is the most reassuring and down to
Speaker 3: earth book about the other side ever written. Here's a
Speaker 3: few words from chapter four, titled I must be dead?
Speaker 3: What is it like to die? The prospect from this
Speaker 3: side of the grave is not inviting. If we are lucky,
Speaker 3: it's quick. For most of us, it's something we prefer
Speaker 3: not to think about. Could we have gotten it wrong?
Speaker 3: The message from the other side is rather different. Nothing
Speaker 3: much to worry about, just a natural transition from one
Speaker 3: existence to another. None of the voices who came back
Speaker 3: through Leslie Flint to describe what happened remember being frightened
Speaker 3: or in any pain. Most of them took quite a
Speaker 3: while to realize they were not still alive. The moment
Speaker 3: of death for all of them was a dream which
Speaker 3: changed into a new sense of reality. Their main worry
Speaker 3: is why the folks they left behind were scurrying around
Speaker 3: in such a panic and could not see that they
Speaker 3: were still alive, happy and well. As soon as a
Speaker 3: communicating spirit has mastered the problem of turning his thoughts
Speaker 3: into words through Flint's ecdoplasmic voice box, he usually starts
Speaker 3: talking with all the eagerness of a traveler calling at
Speaker 3: the end of a long journey to share his impressions
Speaker 3: of his destination. Betty Green takes the first opportunity to
Speaker 3: steer them towards sharing what interests us most with her
Speaker 3: opening question, could you give us your reaction on finding
Speaker 3: out that you were dead? This was the question she
Speaker 3: put to a voice who had introduced himself on April eleventh,
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty nine, as a Sussex farmer named George Hopkins.
Speaker 3: Here are his words. Well, I just had a stroke
Speaker 3: or a seizure or a heart attack, something of that sort.
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, I was harvesting. I felt
Speaker 3: a bit peculiar, thought it was the sun, and went
Speaker 3: down in the hedge. I felt a bit drowsy and
Speaker 3: must have dozed off. But dear, oh, dear, I had
Speaker 3: such shock I woke up as I thought, the sun
Speaker 3: has gone down, and there was me, or what appeared
Speaker 3: to me me. I was puzzled. I tried to shake
Speaker 3: myself to wake myself up. I thought, well, this is funny.
Speaker 3: I must be dreaming. I couldn't make heads or tails
Speaker 3: of it. It never struck me that I was dead.
Speaker 3: This chapter on George continues with him trying to get
Speaker 3: people to realize that he was still alive before he
Speaker 3: moves on to the other side. Here's a story about
Speaker 3: another George. Old George Wilmot recalled his astonishment when he
Speaker 3: passed at being green by his old horse, Old Jenny,
Speaker 3: he said, used to pull my cart in the early years.
Speaker 3: I was real upset when poor old Jenny collapsed and died.
Speaker 3: She was as near to me as any woman could be.
Speaker 3: In fact, more so, I had great affection for old Jenny.
Speaker 3: She knew everything that I ever said to her, and
Speaker 3: she was as cute as they come. The first thing
Speaker 3: I remember when I woke up over here was being
Speaker 3: in well, I suppose you'd call it a field. I
Speaker 3: seemed to be sitting or lying under a tree. I
Speaker 3: remember waking up. I could see this horse coming towards me,
Speaker 3: and there was my old Jenny. She looked younger, of course,
Speaker 3: and she was so thrilled and so happy. You could
Speaker 3: sense and feel it. I can't say how. This is
Speaker 3: something I can't explain, but it was almost as if
Speaker 3: she was talking to me. I couldn't hear any voice,
Speaker 3: and you don't expect to hear a horse speak, but somehow, men,
Speaker 3: I suppose I could hear her. Now I realize it
Speaker 3: was as if she was speaking to me and welcoming me.
Speaker 3: She came beside me and was licking my face. Goodness me,
Speaker 3: I'll never forget this as long as I live. I
Speaker 3: was so thrilled and excited. And then I heard a
Speaker 3: voice behind me. I turned around and there was a
Speaker 3: fine looking chap I should think he was about six
Speaker 3: foot two, fair haired, young and he says, I've come
Speaker 3: to look after you, come to look after me. I said,
Speaker 3: what are you talking about? I was so taken aback,
Speaker 3: what with Jenny and the rest of it. Yes, I'm
Speaker 3: going to look after you, he says, I've been put
Speaker 3: in charge of you. What do you mean in charge
Speaker 3: of me? I'm capable of looking after myself. You don't
Speaker 3: understand he said, you know you are dead. In the
Speaker 3: rest of the chapter, George continues with Michael and the
Speaker 3: horse Jenny, and of course Michael explains that all of
Speaker 3: our animal companions get to be with us in the
Speaker 3: spirit world and they can talk to us with their thoughts.
Speaker 3: In chapter twelve, the voice comes through of a London
Speaker 3: flower cellar named Rose Hawkins. She was asked questions about
Speaker 3: what life is like on the other side and if
Speaker 3: she could describe it. Rose says, you've asked me to
Speaker 3: describe our world in material language. I don't know which
Speaker 3: way to start. I suppose if you could think of
Speaker 3: all the beautiful things in your world, without all the
Speaker 3: things that aren't pleasant, you'd have some vague idea of
Speaker 3: what it's like. Beautiful natural surroundings, flowers, birds, trees, lakes,
Speaker 3: The sun is always shining. You might think it gets
Speaker 3: a bit monotonous, but it doesn't. She's asked, Is it
Speaker 3: easier to grow flowers over there than it is here? Well,
Speaker 3: you plant them up, but we don't have seasons. They
Speaker 3: don't need water. Everything just grows naturally. Is your world
Speaker 3: very much like this world, She's asked, only more beautiful? Well,
Speaker 3: I suppose yes, I would compare it very much like
Speaker 3: a beautiful English countryside. That's the nearest I can explain it.
Speaker 3: Have you villages and towns? She was asked, Well, we
Speaker 3: haven't towns as you understand them. There are places where
Speaker 3: I suppose you'd call them towns in a sense, where
Speaker 3: thousands of people congregate together, but there's no buses or trains. Well,
Speaker 3: how do you travel? We walk, or if you've got
Speaker 3: any distance, you just think of the place you want
Speaker 3: to be in, close your eyes, and then in a
Speaker 3: split second you're there. Do you live in a house? Rose, Well,
Speaker 3: yes I do live in a house, but I don't
Speaker 3: have to. But I've never seen anyone who doesn't. Houses
Speaker 3: are very real. We've got architects and designers and so on.
Speaker 3: They create and build, but it isn't hard labor like
Speaker 3: it is on your side. Do you use money or
Speaker 3: anything like that over there? Money? She says, You can't
Speaker 3: buy nothing here with money. The only thing you can
Speaker 3: get here is by character and the way you lived
Speaker 3: your life, and the way you think and act. But
Speaker 3: we're wondering how do you get the architects to do
Speaker 3: the work? Rose said, Well, you don't pay him He
Speaker 3: does it because he loves to do it. He loves
Speaker 3: to design houses. He loves to do that kind of work,
Speaker 3: the same as the musician who loves to play the violin.
Speaker 3: He's just happy to entertain as friends and people, and
Speaker 3: they form orchestras and choirs. They do everything for love.
Speaker 3: Everything is done for love. And anyone, for instance, on
Speaker 3: your side, who never had a chance in life, perhaps
Speaker 3: they wanted to be a musician or an artist. They
Speaker 3: can study over here, you see, and be whoever they
Speaker 3: want to be. Do you eat anything, she was asked.
Speaker 3: We have fruit and nuts, she replied, and we have
Speaker 3: all the things you can imagine from your world. But
Speaker 3: I don't eat meat or any flesh of any kind.
Speaker 3: You know, what do you do with your flowers? Rose?
Speaker 3: Do you use them to beautify places? Well, of course
Speaker 3: you can if you want to. You can cut the
Speaker 3: flowers and you can use them in your home, But
Speaker 3: very few people do that. After a time, we usually
Speaker 3: only see people doing that who haven't been here long.
Speaker 3: All the flowers are natural, they have their own life,
Speaker 3: and I don't think it's the right thing to cut
Speaker 3: them all down. But if you're sitting inside your house
Speaker 3: and you want to see the flowers outside, you don't
Speaker 3: necessarily have to go outside to see them. You can
Speaker 3: just think about them, and there they are you can
Speaker 3: see them. Rose. Do you sleep, Oh, yes, you can
Speaker 3: sleep if you feel so inclined. But it's not necessary
Speaker 3: because you don't feel tired. How do you measure space
Speaker 3: and time? Well, I don't know. There isn't measurement of
Speaker 3: time as I understand it. We are not conscious of time.
Speaker 3: Mentally you think, oh, well, it's afternoon, evening or night.
Speaker 3: But things don't affect us. Time is, after all, only
Speaker 3: man made. Rose. What is the sky like? Oh, there
Speaker 3: are clouds in the sky from time to time. It's
Speaker 3: a beautiful sky, nothing you could ever dream of. It
Speaker 3: isn't necessarily blue. It can be with the green and
Speaker 3: red and all kinds of magnificent colors. There are colors
Speaker 3: over here that I've never seen on earth. Rose goes
Speaker 3: on to describe how people dress, that there are lakes,
Speaker 3: there are boats, what people do for their pastime, playing music,
Speaker 3: being together, going to the halls of learning, and much more.
Speaker 3: It is time for our break. When we come back,
Speaker 3: there'll be a bit more from the book Life After
Speaker 3: Death by Neville Randall, and you'll hear some words from
Speaker 3: a person in the afterlife through the direct voice mediumship
Speaker 3: of Leslie Flint. So just remember I'm still me and
Speaker 3: you're still you when we cross over into the afterlife.
Speaker 3: Nothing to fear, It's all grand. We'll be right back.
Speaker 3: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio
Speaker 3: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network.
Speaker 6: Stay there, Sandra will be right back.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Speaker 3: I thought it would be appropriate to play some words
Speaker 3: spoken in one of these sittings with Leslie Flint so
Speaker 3: that you could actually hear the voice of a spirit person.
Speaker 3: Imagine a small group of people and they get to
Speaker 3: talk to their deceased loved ones. On this occasion, a
Speaker 3: woman by the name of Jenny Wilson spoke with the group.
Speaker 3: This recording is just the tip of the iceberg. Go
Speaker 3: to Leslie Flint dot com where there are hundreds of recordings.
Speaker 3: Here is Jenny Wilson, who passed during childbirth, talking about
Speaker 3: her experience and the other side.
Speaker 5: You uh spirits true, Yes, that you are still on
Speaker 5: the earth.
Speaker 4: I am a spirit too, not on the That's the
Speaker 4: only difference they train you and me. I am being
Speaker 4: here a long time now. I did not believe all
Speaker 4: this when I was on your side.
Speaker 5: Now I know better. You are spiritual is.
Speaker 4: They called them and understate you believe in communication.
Speaker 5: That's why I'm here. Can you give a Jenny said
Speaker 5: all about you. I had my share of travel. Now
Speaker 5: I haven't got a care in the world.
Speaker 4: On the earth, Jenny, I was brought up in the
Speaker 4: country place called small food, that is right, small foot,
Speaker 4: we called it.
Speaker 5: I was one of a.
Speaker 4: Family of eleven children, and when we were quite small children,
Speaker 4: we would have to be up early in the morning
Speaker 4: and go to work in the fields, sometimes potato picking
Speaker 4: according to the season, sometimes stone picking, all sorts of
Speaker 4: things to earn extra two coffers.
Speaker 5: I married when I was eighteen. My husband worked on
Speaker 5: a farm.
Speaker 4: Laborer, plowing, hoing according to the seasons. I died in
Speaker 4: child's firths with my first child. I was out in
Speaker 4: the fields in those days. We had to work up
Speaker 4: to the very last. Now and then you were lucky
Speaker 4: if you had a doctor, usually a woman in the
Speaker 4: religio or someone would help. Both the baby and me
Speaker 4: died in a age. I have been here many years now, Jady.
Speaker 4: We went up together your baby.
Speaker 5: Well, now did you bring your baby up in spirit?
Speaker 4: Well? Yes, and I have here now beside me my daughter.
Speaker 4: And if you could see us, we look like each other.
Speaker 4: I don't look any older, and she has grown up
Speaker 4: to a fine young woman.
Speaker 5: Now my husband.
Speaker 4: Married again, Yes, and he is here, and we are
Speaker 4: often together on this side of life.
Speaker 5: But we do not live together.
Speaker 4: That we are together, you understand, and I find it
Speaker 4: very funny coming to talk to you in this way.
Speaker 4: I hope you can hear what I say, as you
Speaker 4: must be getting on now for one hundred years.
Speaker 5: I suppose, Jenny, how do you bring a baby up?
Speaker 5: And say? Well, like that different from.
Speaker 4: How do you do it?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: Asa as I can tell you the same as you
Speaker 4: would have done more or less on earth, excepting as
Speaker 4: sar as I can understand and my own experience, you
Speaker 4: don't have some sort of material as you call.
Speaker 5: It ways I suppose to do.
Speaker 4: Really, you have to realize that it's the spirit with
Speaker 4: you out bringing up and educating and helping.
Speaker 5: It's not the body. In the same way.
Speaker 4: It looks much the same, and it takes time. I
Speaker 4: suppose that it would have done on Earth. One is conscious,
Speaker 4: I suppose in a way of time. In my case
Speaker 4: is because I was young and the child was new,
Speaker 4: I was given the joy of bringing the child up
Speaker 4: as if it were almost the same.
Speaker 5: As I pass.
Speaker 4: Gradually watched he grow up and play with other children
Speaker 4: of the same sort of age, and gradually go to
Speaker 4: school and learn various.
Speaker 5: Things that were considered necessary. You see and of.
Speaker 4: Course I taught to little things, but I realized that
Speaker 4: I had no education.
Speaker 5: I couldn't read or write.
Speaker 4: I'd never been to school in my life.
Speaker 5: My daughter dances, and she loves music, and she's a
Speaker 5: beautiful dancer. Oh, she is really beautiful. You should see her.
Speaker 4: She's like what you call it a fairy because over here,
Speaker 4: you see, they have great processions and great and get
Speaker 4: togethers or oh, I don't know what you call them
Speaker 4: pageants or something like that, and they have great sort
Speaker 4: of places where you go and all sorts of beautiful
Speaker 4: things happen, the music and color and dancing, and oh,
Speaker 4: it's very beautiful. And she plays in sam Elisia ceremonies
Speaker 4: as you call them, you see, and she is really good.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I often wondered, you know, because I mean, I knew
Speaker 4: I'd never have a chance to do anything when I
Speaker 4: was on your side, because as well, I've never been
Speaker 4: to what they call the theater on your side. A
Speaker 4: climatized as my beautiful lady. I remember being under the
Speaker 4: age h and I knew that I was going to die.
Speaker 4: I don't know what I knew I was. And some
Speaker 4: women were two women actually friends of mine and one
Speaker 4: and going running off to try and get out as
Speaker 4: the one was there, and I knew I was going
Speaker 4: to die. I knew, I didn't know how I knew
Speaker 4: I knew I was It was if this is I
Speaker 4: was twisted and twisting away, and I could hear the
Speaker 4: striend trying to help the comfort, but court there's nothing
Speaker 4: they could do after circumstances, and I knew I was
Speaker 4: going to pass, as you call it, And anyway, I
Speaker 4: remember some of alution of myself and didn't find it
Speaker 4: myself as funny, and said, I don't know that I
Speaker 4: was standing standing in the fields and I left this
Speaker 4: baby in my arms, which I had, I just didn't
Speaker 4: have to stand at a two, and so I should
Speaker 4: be standing in the middle of this field, and all
Speaker 4: around me I could see my art. It seemed a country,
Speaker 4: and yet it was not the same countries I've been used.
Speaker 5: To, but different or different.
Speaker 4: There were trees, but I knew there weren't real trees,
Speaker 4: and the country side, though it wasn't real country side,
Speaker 4: and I guess, sort of deep down inside me felt lost,
Speaker 4: as if I was in a dream. And I had
Speaker 4: a feeling that I was in a kind of dream,
Speaker 4: and that all these things would disappear.
Speaker 5: Then I realized that I.
Speaker 4: Was in a strange sort of country, but nothing I'd
Speaker 4: seen before, and yet it wasn't real. And all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, I sort of procession, whereas thought I thought
Speaker 4: it was of people all dressed in beautiful garments, coming
Speaker 4: up a wise.
Speaker 5: Sort of road.
Speaker 4: I was told that I had arrived and that all
Speaker 4: was well, there was nothing to worry about anymore, that
Speaker 4: this would be my home. I would be looked after
Speaker 4: from the child, and that this would be made up
Speaker 4: to me from all the unhappiness I've known, and that
Speaker 4: this would be my future place in which i'd gradually
Speaker 4: find a new self.
Speaker 5: That's the way they put it, a new self.
Speaker 4: Just close your eyes and lose yourself, just pre quiet
Speaker 4: and of peace, and when you come around later, we'll tell.
Speaker 5: You more about everything. But this is not the right way.
Speaker 4: I would just know that you've come home and you're safe,
Speaker 4: and so it's the baby and data we'll tell you
Speaker 4: more about it. Oh, it was wonderful, and that this
Speaker 4: was my reception, they called it, and it all was well,
Speaker 4: that wasn't to be unhappy anymore, and that my child,
Speaker 4: and I had been given new life in the realms
Speaker 4: of happiness, as they called it. Right, So they said
Speaker 4: these things obviously that I had understand them, that I've
Speaker 4: learned to love more since much more are much more.
Speaker 5: But you did ask me a lot how I came.
Speaker 4: That I can't say it more now, and I can
Speaker 4: come again and tell you how things have been.
Speaker 5: Since started for my coming. That I can't say that
Speaker 5: this business is daying.
Speaker 4: Well, that's nothing much to it, really. I suppose it's natural.
Speaker 5: We all fear it. Then on your.
Speaker 4: Side that it's natural and it's not a different.
Speaker 5: Really in a way to being born.
Speaker 4: Anyway, I'll come with I came another time.
Speaker 5: I must go by.
Speaker 3: That was Jenny Wilson through the direct voice mediumship of Leslie.
Speaker 3: I do need to tell you I edited it because
Speaker 3: there were some long gaps between words, just to make
Speaker 3: it a little easier for you to hear. Check out
Speaker 3: the book Voices in the Dark by Leslie Flint, who
Speaker 3: was sixty years a medium, and the website Leslieflint dot
Speaker 3: com hundreds and hundreds of recordings transcribed. The folks there
Speaker 3: have done a lot of work and if you feel
Speaker 3: so inclined, perhaps leave a donation. As I often say,
Speaker 3: there is more to life than meets the eye, and
Speaker 3: there's more to you than you know. Fear not, you
Speaker 3: will always be you Remember. Come visit me at We
Speaker 3: Don't Die dot com. Join one of our free Sunday gatherings.
Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much for listening to
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