Speaker 1: Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome into the Stanley Cup Playoffs
Speaker 1: live stream here on the Fantasy Pros Twitch channel. We
Speaker 1: are now through three games of the Stanley Cup Finals,
Speaker 1: so we're getting close to the end here. I'm Tyler Kanyem.
Speaker 1: I am joined as always by Betting Pros, NHL expert
Speaker 1: and ed Minton Oilers fan Kelly Kirby. Thinking maybe not
Speaker 1: so calm and collected today.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm gonna start here so that we just
Speaker 2: have it out of the way, so there's no like
Speaker 2: I didn't say it. Florida beat the crap out of us.
Speaker 2: They were great, Like that's it. So yeah, I'm not
Speaker 2: everything I say from here on out is a complaint
Speaker 2: or part of my therapy or whatever has to happen.
Speaker 2: But yeah, in terms of calm and collected, I mean
Speaker 2: it's like two to one, so whatever. Like, I'm not
Speaker 2: dying yet, but we have things to talk about.
Speaker 1: There is still time for sure. As a reminder, we
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Speaker 1: question if you want to talk about Game three, if
Speaker 1: you want to talk about Game four, or anything in between.
Speaker 1: Like I said, the stage is yours. Give us your
Speaker 1: perspective as an Oilers fan of what the heck happened
Speaker 1: in Game three last night, Oilers losing six to one
Speaker 1: to the Florida Panthers.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just want to say that the last
Speaker 2: goal was just such an insult to injury, like you
Speaker 2: could have just kept it at six, like we could
Speaker 2: have at least cleared the under. But no, obviously that
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna happen. But yeah, I mean, you know, I've
Speaker 2: never seen I've never seen a team give another team
Speaker 2: eleven power plays like I've I want.
Speaker 3: To go back.
Speaker 2: I want to go back to our Stanley Club preview
Speaker 2: when I basically was just like we can, and by we,
Speaker 2: I mean Oilers. We can win, we just cannot, under
Speaker 2: any circumstances play their game. And last night it was
Speaker 2: their game and I sat there and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm watching pee wee hockey with a bunch
Speaker 2: of like boys who can't regulate their emotions. Like it's
Speaker 2: just like, what what is happening right now?
Speaker 1: And especially game like game two, we saw eleven penalties
Speaker 1: in the second period, and you think, okay, game three,
Speaker 1: maybe some cooler heads will prevail. And I know Evander Kaine,
Speaker 1: that's his style of game. I think he ended up
Speaker 1: with sixteen or eighteen penalty minutes. There was, you know,
Speaker 1: some some stuff at the end there or a few
Speaker 1: players got misconducts, but he took those back to back
Speaker 1: penalties seemingly in that game there, and they just never
Speaker 1: seemed to get the chance. You know, Brad Marshawn scores
Speaker 1: the first goal of the game. He's been unbelievable. Do
Speaker 1: you think that this is something the Oilers? Is this
Speaker 1: a problem or is this something they can rectify? Like
Speaker 1: there's no way there's one hundred and thirty eight penalty
Speaker 1: minutes in game three, eighty something in game two.
Speaker 2: This can't Yeah, so I like to believe, Like my
Speaker 2: belief here is that at some point, probably in the
Speaker 2: middle of the second period or for sure the second intermission,
Speaker 2: that I think they were all like, fine, let's just
Speaker 2: get it all out tonight, Like let's just let's just go.
Speaker 2: You want to fight fight tonight, you want to like
Speaker 2: do dumb stuff, do it tonight. Because if they didn't
Speaker 2: say that, then I have no idea what happened, because
Speaker 2: I mean it was just like I said on Twitter,
Speaker 2: as soon as as soon as they scored the fourth goal,
Speaker 2: I was like, now you pull skinner and let them
Speaker 2: rest like it just like there's we're not winning this,
Speaker 2: so there was no reason to keep doing what we
Speaker 2: were doing. But yeah, I mean it's you know, obviously
Speaker 2: I've seen both teams complain about the referees going against them,
Speaker 2: but I think that if that, you know, it's they
Speaker 2: if they keep calling it like this, it's just it
Speaker 2: should actually benefit the Oilers because the Panthers are so
Speaker 2: much like there's so much more physical and yet they're
Speaker 2: so good at acting. I mean, did you see Bobrovski, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, if it was that easy to knock you over, man,
Speaker 2: you would never become an NHL So like, I mean,
Speaker 2: he's just Flailly. I'm like, oh, here we are.
Speaker 3: But yeah, they know exactly what to do.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Florida had eleven power plays and Edmonton, you know,
Speaker 1: game one, they seem to come in with such confidence.
Speaker 1: We've talked about it ad nauseum about it just seems
Speaker 1: like the Team of Destiny seems like a different team.
Speaker 1: They win the Western Conference Finals, they have no shame
Speaker 1: about touching the trophy, like they're going to go out
Speaker 1: and win this and then do you feel like maybe
Speaker 1: there's some immaturity. I don't even say it's an experience
Speaker 1: because they were there last year. But like you said,
Speaker 1: playing they know what they don't they can't do in
Speaker 1: order to beat Florida. They need to play the offensive game,
Speaker 1: they need to play the skill game. Do you think
Speaker 1: Florida is just that annoying that to get under their skin? Like,
Speaker 1: is it something that Florida is just that good at
Speaker 1: or is it something where Edmonton is still just showing
Speaker 1: a little bit of an experience there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's just more it's yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if there's a Florida Panther
Speaker 2: that I would want to hang out with, like that
Speaker 2: would you get annoying pretty clearly, But like in general,
Speaker 2: they shouldn't be engaging in the way that they are.
Speaker 2: And and even in the first two games, I don't think
Speaker 2: they did like like in the second game, Florida just
Speaker 2: won like that it was a good game, did what
Speaker 2: you know, Like, I have no real complaints about how
Speaker 2: that one went, aside from Bennett, you know, taking out
Speaker 2: a goalie. But the last night just there was just
Speaker 2: no excuse everything everything they went wrong immediately. I'm a
Speaker 2: little nervous about McDavid injury wise, you know, I didn't know,
Speaker 2: we don't know what. I don't know what Nugent Hopkins'
Speaker 2: situation was. They banked around with the defenseman lineup like
Speaker 2: I it is. I'm like, I don't know if right
Speaker 2: now is the time to mess anything up, but they
Speaker 2: seem to be trying so.
Speaker 1: And I think too, Like Paul Maurice in his press
Speaker 1: conferences afterwards, he's joking around. He's they're saying, you know, well,
Speaker 1: Sam Bannon hasn't done a lot, yeah, or Barkoff hasn't
Speaker 1: done a lot in this series. Oh yeah, We're going
Speaker 1: to trade him and he just I don't I don't
Speaker 1: even want to call it arrogance. It's certainly annoying if
Speaker 1: you're not a Florida Panthers fan that they just they
Speaker 1: just seem to be so so confident, comfortable, they're not worried,
Speaker 1: and I think that's starting to rub people the wrong way.
Speaker 1: But it's also kind of like it's a little bit
Speaker 1: scary as someone who's bet against the Florida Panthers in
Speaker 1: this series and bet on the Oilers to see players
Speaker 1: like that, coaches like that is going okay. They don't
Speaker 1: seem to be rattled, like after Game one, maybe there
Speaker 1: was a little bit of rattle, but they just really
Speaker 1: don't seem to be which is a little bit scary.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: On the plus side, we did do well in our
Speaker 1: bets recapping previously, just just to quickly recap what I
Speaker 1: still have alive. Aout the Oilers to win the Cup,
Speaker 1: had them to win Game one in the Cup, that's
Speaker 1: still alive, Sam Bennett the most goals in the series.
Speaker 1: That's still looking like it's very very alive as well.
Speaker 1: And then in game this would be for Game two,
Speaker 1: but the Vibrowski over on the saves. That seems like
Speaker 1: it can just be something bet over and over again.
Speaker 1: The over six that hit in game two, in game three,
Speaker 1: I went under for Game three, and as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: there was that Lake goal that brought that to under
Speaker 1: six and a half. And then on your side. For
Speaker 1: your sake, I hope that this doesn't end in five
Speaker 1: games because that would mean that the oilers I don't
Speaker 1: win again. But McDavid most points is still alive. You've
Speaker 1: bet him to get two plus points, which he's done
Speaker 1: almost you know, every single game, the overs and then
Speaker 1: a great call last time for the Corey Perry point
Speaker 1: and perhaps an anytime goal at plus two seventy. So
Speaker 1: on the plus side, we're at least betting this series
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Speaker 3: So we've got a couple of.
Speaker 1: Days here because the next game, Game four, isn't until Thursday.
Speaker 1: But the opening line here, it's certainly juicy in favor
Speaker 1: of the Florida Panthers or minus one forty five. The
Speaker 1: Edmonton Oilers are plus one thirty five over under is
Speaker 1: basically staying where it's always been. You can find a six,
Speaker 1: you can find a six and a half. So, first
Speaker 1: of all, talk about with the Oilers being down, if
Speaker 1: you want to talk about the zig zag theory, you
Speaker 1: would think maybe they'd be a little bit more in
Speaker 1: favor of Edmonton. But tell me about what you think
Speaker 1: of Florida at minus one forty five.
Speaker 2: So objectively, I'll switch to objective. But I also wanted
Speaker 2: to mention that the two bets I put on out
Speaker 2: on Twitter last night was Anton Lindell to get a
Speaker 2: point and Bennett to score a goal. So like you
Speaker 2: and I are putting bets out there every day even
Speaker 2: if we're not doing this, so it's going to take
Speaker 2: a look. But objectively, I think that's too high for Florida.
Speaker 2: It's certainly too juicy to bet in my opinion, given that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: game three was awful, they look dominant, like but also
Speaker 2: okay again, like you're telling me that they're that much better.
Speaker 2: That is difficult to eat. Now if it drops to
Speaker 2: like one twenty, I might minus one twenty. I might
Speaker 2: take it because they're at home, because Edmonton loves to
Speaker 2: dig holes for themselves. But yeah, and I say I'm
Speaker 2: going I think I'm going under on the six and
Speaker 2: a half, just like we talked about, like there's one
Speaker 2: under game and it wasn't yesterday, and so I you know,
Speaker 2: and there are stats on Twitter that talk about which
Speaker 2: I don't really necessarily believe in. But Stuart Skinner in
Speaker 2: game four's is lights out now, okay, like what does
Speaker 2: that mean? I don't know it, Just like I feel
Speaker 2: like it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: Considering the oilers are almost always playing from trailing in
Speaker 1: a series. I think that's a good Like he can
Speaker 1: play under adversity. I think he can play when when
Speaker 1: the chips are down a little bit, and I do
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think Panthers at minus one forty
Speaker 1: five one fifty is just not happening for me. One
Speaker 1: of my favorite bets is Oiler's money line because it's
Speaker 1: one thirty one thirty five. To me, Oilers have been
Speaker 1: a good road team the whole series.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say you can take the home
Speaker 1: ice out homee advantage out of it for either side.
Speaker 1: Florida's loud, Edmonton's certainly loud as well, But when you're
Speaker 1: at this stage with the way Edmonton's been playing, I
Speaker 1: think that when you're getting up to one forty one
Speaker 1: to fifty, they've shown they can win on the road.
Speaker 1: They've been you know, Game one, they win, Game two
Speaker 1: is close, they lose in overtime. Yeah, there's the blip
Speaker 1: here in Game three, but I don't think this series
Speaker 1: is nearly as lopsided. It was a crappy game for
Speaker 1: Edminton in Game three, Like that's when you can crumple up,
Speaker 1: throw in the garbage, not look at the tape. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's Do you think there's a lot that
Speaker 1: they can take out of that game? Aside from the
Speaker 1: penalties or is that just one of those like, look,
Speaker 1: we just didn't have it tonight, Skinner didn't necessarily have
Speaker 1: it tonight. They still had chances like can you just
Speaker 1: throw that tape in the garbage or do you think
Speaker 1: it might be a bigger issue.
Speaker 2: I'm going with the tape in the garbage. I mean
Speaker 2: you have to have short term memory loss in the final,
Speaker 2: Like there's just no other way to play it. You know,
Speaker 2: you and I were joking about novelty bets, like what
Speaker 2: would the chances have been that Jake Wallman was going
Speaker 2: to spray the other bench with water? When that When
Speaker 2: that started happening, I just thought, oh, we are so
Speaker 2: off the rail. As I texted my friends, I was like,
Speaker 2: I was like, and this game is drunk, Like I
Speaker 2: don't even know what else to do with it. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: to me, it was such an anomaly and it's such
Speaker 2: an outlier that to bet based on how it went,
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in that it was Florida's first home game.
Speaker 2: I mean there was a lot going for Florida that
Speaker 2: in this whole thing, So I'm hoping beyond hope that yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a blip, and I.
Speaker 1: Think too a lot of times when you have these instances,
Speaker 1: whether it's hockey or other sports too, you have this
Speaker 1: game where it kind of you know, it ends in
Speaker 1: a little bit of fighting, or there starts the animosity
Speaker 1: and obviously there's a rivalry from last year, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, the media or people
Speaker 1: like us are putting all these expectations on the next game, like, Oh,
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen? Rarely does that actually, you know, come
Speaker 1: to fruition. I don't think we're gonna get the you know,
Speaker 1: Pedro Martinez throwing an old man to the ground thing. Like,
Speaker 1: I feel like this is going to be not a
Speaker 1: one and done. Like I think it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: little bit chippy because it's the finals. But I don't
Speaker 1: think you're gonna get one hundred and thirty five penalty minutes.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna get eleven power plays. I
Speaker 1: don't think you're going to get a ton of fights.
Speaker 1: There's too much at stake now too. And we talked
Speaker 1: last time about the winner of game winner of a
Speaker 1: Tide series, or maybe we didn't talk about it. I
Speaker 1: talked about it on the YouTube short the winner of
Speaker 1: Game two in a Tide series wins a series seventy
Speaker 1: one percent of the time. I don't have the stats
Speaker 1: for this one, but I think you can pretty much
Speaker 1: say if you go up three one in a series,
Speaker 1: it's probably in the nineties. So Edmonton has to win
Speaker 1: this game. I think they can't play around with this
Speaker 1: this foolery, or they can't lean into what the Panthers
Speaker 1: want to do, or they might be in big trouble.
Speaker 1: Then you mentioned the total as well, you're leaning more
Speaker 1: towards the under of the six and a half. I
Speaker 1: do like the over, but on the six, I think
Speaker 1: it's just I agreed last time I thought that was
Speaker 1: going to be the under of the series because it
Speaker 1: was tied. I'm now at the point where it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to bet over six until it stops happening,
Speaker 1: which very well could be in this game as well.
Speaker 1: But it's like, just watching these two teams I play,
Speaker 1: I almost feel like it's hard for them not to
Speaker 1: at least get to six.
Speaker 3: But you do lean towards the under.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I do, just a little bit. And I
Speaker 2: it's dangerous. I mean it's really dangerous, like tomorrow or
Speaker 2: on Thursday. I might just decide randomly that I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go with the over six and a half because I've
Speaker 2: I've been doing that depending on how the line moves,
Speaker 2: but I think under the six and a half. But
Speaker 2: I you know, you and I've talked about I love
Speaker 2: You're over six, Like that's over six just feels like
Speaker 2: the right choice pretty much every time these two teams play.
Speaker 2: But the other thing I was gonna say is like
Speaker 2: looking at like I so I was looking at last
Speaker 2: year when the Oilers went down three to zero, and
Speaker 2: I remember after Game two they lost four to one,
Speaker 2: and I mean it looked like I had the same
Speaker 2: feeling that I had yesterday where I'm like, I don't
Speaker 2: even know who this team is. It's this is just
Speaker 2: this is just gross. And and then game three they lost
Speaker 2: four to three and it was super close. So like,
Speaker 2: I feel like game they're just reversed this year. Game
Speaker 2: two was this was that one. But then they came
Speaker 2: the Oilers came out and won eight to one in
Speaker 2: game four, and so it's like that fire again, that
Speaker 2: firepower is there, and if they get on a roll,
Speaker 2: they get on a roll, like yeah, you know, then
Speaker 2: it's we're off to the races again. But if they
Speaker 2: try to, if they try to fight and be more
Speaker 2: annoying than the Panthers, they will lose every single time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have to play their game, and they can
Speaker 1: show when they do play that game, they can put
Speaker 1: up six, seven, eight goals. I think it's Bibarovski, especially
Speaker 1: sitting back there, if you let him get comfortable, if
Speaker 1: you're not taking a ton of shots, if you're playing
Speaker 1: this game that lends into Florida what they want you
Speaker 1: to do. He can just kind of sit, but you've
Speaker 1: got to keep him moving side to side, and he
Speaker 1: did make some great saves last night, but I think
Speaker 1: that that's going to be a way that you can
Speaker 1: get to him. We do have a question here. I
Speaker 1: think Edmonton still has the series, gonna win game four.
Speaker 1: I think it goes to seven games. Not a non
Speaker 1: betting question. What has been your favorite storyline of the
Speaker 1: playoffs so far? So I would assume probably for you,
Speaker 1: it's the Oilers getting to the finals. But if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: what has been your favorite storyline so far?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it's very nice to see you,
Speaker 2: and your question is great, and you're my new favorite
Speaker 2: watcher anyway.
Speaker 3: But Yeah.
Speaker 2: For me, it's really kind of been the McDavid ken
Speaker 2: McDavid win the Cup because I like, I get it
Speaker 2: really annoyed when people are like, oh, he never won,
Speaker 2: he never won, and so like, yeah, I mean I
Speaker 2: disagree that he has to to be considered like great,
Speaker 2: but it would be really nice to get that off
Speaker 2: the back. And then really, and honestly, and I really
Speaker 2: hate to say this, but like what watching Sam Bennett
Speaker 2: do what he's done, what he's doing is it's just
Speaker 2: like how do you you know, how do you stop him?
Speaker 2: What is going on? Like, so I think it would
Speaker 2: be that between those two McDavid getting the Cup and
Speaker 2: then Bennett just being dumbly good.
Speaker 1: And I hate to agree with everything that you're saying,
Speaker 1: but we're having this conversation when we were watching the
Speaker 1: game last night. Of as much as I dislike Florida
Speaker 1: because they always eliminate the Leafs and just the way
Speaker 1: they play, but then you look at the team and
Speaker 1: you go, well, this is like half of Team Canada here,
Speaker 1: so it's hard for me to root against them. So
Speaker 1: I'm just rooting for Bennett and Ryan Hart and Marshawn
Speaker 1: you know a couple of months ago, going to be
Speaker 1: rooting for the get for them again in the Olympics
Speaker 1: up coming, So it would be nice to see some
Speaker 1: of those players win the Stanley Cup. But obviously, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, my favorite storyline is Evant
Speaker 1: just getting back there because it's not the easiest thing
Speaker 1: to do. Seeing Connor McDavid's maturity, him sort of changing
Speaker 1: his personality a little bit, wanting to go after it
Speaker 1: and win the Cup. And you did mention another question
Speaker 1: I had for you this off topic that reminded me
Speaker 1: we were again having this conversation last night comparing guys
Speaker 1: like McDavid to in the people in the past, like
Speaker 1: Crosby and Gretzky. I'm not going to compare McDavid to
Speaker 1: Gretzky yet, certainly, but when you look at someone like
Speaker 1: Crosby who has three cups, like all things equal, McDavid's,
Speaker 1: you know, certainly a better goal scorer. You could even
Speaker 1: argue a better playmaker as well. But do you think
Speaker 1: all things equal, he needs those one, two, three cups
Speaker 1: to be considered the greatest or it doesn't matter quite
Speaker 1: as much.
Speaker 2: I think he well, he for sure needs one, right
Speaker 2: and it would be I think he somehow would get
Speaker 2: a boost because you know, narratives are weird sometimes, But
Speaker 2: I think he gets a boost if they win it,
Speaker 2: and they're the first Canadian team to win it since,
Speaker 2: you know, nineteen ninety three. So in that regard, I
Speaker 2: feel like that he for sure needs one. If in two,
Speaker 2: three would be great. And it's hard to Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: hard to quantify exactly how many he would need to
Speaker 2: fit into that conversation, but the comparison with Crosby is good.
Speaker 2: But and some of what he can do is comparative
Speaker 2: to Gretzky. It's just Gretzky's numbers look like they were
Speaker 2: made in a lab somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I often do that. I'll go on to Hockey
Speaker 1: Reference and then in baseball going to Baseball Reference and
Speaker 1: just look at Barry Bonds and Wing Gretzky's numbers and
Speaker 1: go like, yeah, I mean, I remember the tail ends
Speaker 1: of their career, but just looking at them, going how
Speaker 1: did this even ever happen? It's unbelievable. But I'm of
Speaker 1: the mind, I'm sort of always of the mind if
Speaker 1: all things are equal, the championship sort of, I don't
Speaker 1: think you have to have one to be considered the greatest.
Speaker 1: Certainly doesn't hurt. And it's like, you know, all things equal,
Speaker 1: if they finished with the exact same number of points.
Speaker 1: Because we had three cups and McDavid had zero, I
Speaker 1: think that does tilt it that way too. Speaking of
Speaker 1: awards and stuff like that, I did want to mention
Speaker 1: the con smythe because it's shifted quite a bit really
Speaker 1: So before this series started, McDavid was your favorite twin
Speaker 1: the con Smite at plus one twenty, Bobroski plus two
Speaker 1: to fifty, bark Off at plus five fifty. That has
Speaker 1: changed drastically, where now Sam Bennett is the favorite to
Speaker 1: win the con Smite at plus one seventy five. McDavid's
Speaker 1: down to two fifty, and then you've got Marshan plus
Speaker 1: four hundred, Bobrovski plus four fifty, and then at the
Speaker 1: bottom at the end of this list Dry Sidle plus
Speaker 1: twelve hundred. So do you think there's any I know,
Speaker 1: we both got McDavid I think around plus one sixty.
Speaker 1: Kind of kicking myself for that now, or maybe do
Speaker 1: you want to double down on McDavid at plus two
Speaker 1: to fifty do you think do you think anybody else
Speaker 1: from Edmonton should they win this series is going to
Speaker 1: get it now that we're three games in, and then
Speaker 1: objectively looking at Florida, do you think it's Bennett, Do
Speaker 1: you think it's Marshan, or do you think it's Bobrovski.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say, like, given the odds
Speaker 2: where they are at this point, I would if you
Speaker 2: haven't bet it yet, I would go Bennett McDavid, like
Speaker 2: you're guaranteed a profit, and and I think depending on
Speaker 2: which team wins, it's going to be one of those two,
Speaker 2: just because again of what Bennett has done offensively, the
Speaker 2: fact that he's now the leader, and I also think,
Speaker 2: you know, unless I'm terrible at predicting which week my favory.
Speaker 3: Well could be.
Speaker 2: But I feel like I feel like the others are
Speaker 2: going to come back and Peboky is going to give
Speaker 2: up a couple more goals and and so it's going
Speaker 2: to swing really hard toward a forward. So yeah, at
Speaker 2: this point, with those numbers, I would bet both of them,
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't have any trouble hedging my McDavid but
Speaker 2: with Bennett. But I'm not going to double down on McDavid.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's exact that I was going to say.
Speaker 1: I don't think Bobrovski, We've got, you know, two, three,
Speaker 1: four games left to go in this series. I don't
Speaker 1: think Bobrovski is going to be able to like he'd
Speaker 1: in my opinion, you need to get two or three shutouts.
Speaker 3: Uh well, he wouldn't be able.
Speaker 1: To get three, but he would need two shutouts or
Speaker 1: a shot out at least to sort of get into
Speaker 1: that conversation. I think this is definitely more of a
Speaker 1: forwards series. So Marshawn at plus four hundred, I don't hate.
Speaker 1: It's an instance of can he keep it going? I
Speaker 1: know he's been great. He's him in Bennett of combined
Speaker 1: for eight goals in the series. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he can keep it going. But I think if you
Speaker 1: did want to take someone from Florida, take Bennett plus
Speaker 1: one seventy five. I think if you haven't bet McDavid
Speaker 1: yet plus two to fifty, it's.
Speaker 3: Not going to get better than that. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think it would either continue to go in Florida
Speaker 1: Panthers favor or his number is going to go down
Speaker 1: from there. So we can finally start to talk about
Speaker 1: game four, start talking about our bets. Touched on the
Speaker 1: money line, touched on the total. As we head into
Speaker 1: game four. Now you know old Stuart Skinner returned at
Speaker 1: the worst possible time. He's pulled after the fifth goal. There,
Speaker 1: Brad Marshawn becomes the oldest player to score in three
Speaker 1: straight Stanley Cup Finals games. Do you think he's the
Speaker 1: biggest trade deadline acquisition in recent memory for any team?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, I mean Brandon and started off as that, right,
Speaker 2: but Marshan for what they give up a second round,
Speaker 2: I mean it's absurd, that's way they gave.
Speaker 3: Out almost all.
Speaker 1: And he's now considering re signing in Florida as well,
Speaker 1: so he might be sticking around. I think it's rare
Speaker 1: to see someone that has fit in as well as
Speaker 1: he has with the team. I mean that certainly the
Speaker 1: play styles are there, and Ranton was great for Dallas,
Speaker 1: but you almost kind of had this. It's either Ranton
Speaker 1: in or the rest. You didn't sort of have rant
Speaker 1: In and the rest, where Marshawn just seems to be
Speaker 1: fitting in completely, completely fluidly. Sam Bennett scored his leading
Speaker 1: fourteenth goal of the playoffs after big hit causing a turnover.
Speaker 1: So he's really playing an all around game. And all
Speaker 1: the big names for Florida scored in game three, you
Speaker 1: and Verhage, You had Ryan Hart, you had Eckblad, big
Speaker 1: storyline in Edmonton, Connor McDavid, you know, before this series started,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of controversy.
Speaker 3: He left practice. Is he hurt and he.
Speaker 1: Takes a pretty decent hit last night, and he left
Speaker 1: the game briefly. He came back seemed okay, But do
Speaker 1: you think there's any smoke to that fire?
Speaker 3: Do you think there's any fire to that smoke?
Speaker 2: When he left, I got a little concerned. I mean
Speaker 2: I think I actually said out loud that that's that
Speaker 2: that concerned me. But like he came back so quickly
Speaker 2: that it was one of those like did he need
Speaker 2: something for a skate or like it didn't look necessarily
Speaker 2: like he was out for down for the count, let's
Speaker 2: go that way. But I don't yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't like how the I don't like how it looked.
Speaker 2: I don't like Newton Hopkins looking how he looked like
Speaker 2: everything and dry Sidle looked slow. It was just like
Speaker 2: the weirdest kind of game last night that no one
Speaker 2: looks like they were no one looked like they were
Speaker 2: totally in it. But we talked about that. I mean,
Speaker 2: if McDavid is even kind of injured, then just count it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And dry Settle had zero shots in game three?
Speaker 3: How much of it?
Speaker 1: Because we did see that a couple times in previous
Speaker 1: series where he would just kind of not disappear, but
Speaker 1: he wouldn't really be part of the offensive game. Then
Speaker 1: you know, he explodes for three points or two goals
Speaker 1: or something. How much do you make of zero shots
Speaker 1: in game three? Going into game four and McDavid to
Speaker 1: that point too, McDavid had two shots, Nugent Hopkins only
Speaker 1: had one.
Speaker 2: Well, they couldn't get anything. I mean there was no offense.
Speaker 2: There's no flow at all. There was absolutely zero flow
Speaker 2: for the end and those dry title for sure needs
Speaker 2: the flow to make it work because he sets up
Speaker 2: so well and he does his shots, you know, the
Speaker 2: one timers are I would rather have him doing one
Speaker 2: timers than pretty much anyone else, I think. But if
Speaker 2: there's if there's not any sort of game flow, if
Speaker 2: McDavid's not moving, if it's like it, then he his
Speaker 2: game is really really impacted and they just would not
Speaker 2: give anything up last night. So I'm not concerned. He
Speaker 2: did get shut out at one time in Dallas, so
Speaker 2: I think he'll come back strong on the shots on goal.
Speaker 2: But I don't like your second note here where he
Speaker 2: talks about that Corey Perry led the team with five
Speaker 2: like that's just leads the team with five. That's that's
Speaker 2: not where we want to be.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean he's been good. I mean, as
Speaker 1: we mentioned, he's scoring, he's producing. But when your team
Speaker 1: looks like your team makeup is the way the Oilers
Speaker 1: is Corey Perry Like, if that's a one off, okay,
Speaker 1: But if that ends up becoming the trend of he's
Speaker 1: getting the most shots on your team every night, you're
Speaker 1: in big trouble. And I think that's something that Edmonton's
Speaker 1: going to have to figure out. And then when you
Speaker 1: look at the goaltending situation, we thought we'd put this
Speaker 1: to bed, but is the door open for Calvin Picard
Speaker 1: to play or is this just again a bad game?
Speaker 1: Put it to bed. Skinner's the guy he's going back
Speaker 1: in at for Game four. There's no controversy here.
Speaker 2: I would I will predict if they give up if
Speaker 2: he gives up two goals in the first period, he's
Speaker 2: out the pull him immediately. I don't they will. I
Speaker 2: think his hook is much shorter now just because they
Speaker 2: can't follow that far behind, because that was the other
Speaker 2: thing that happened, right, Like if you go down two
Speaker 2: one and then you go three to one, and then
Speaker 2: they could just be physical, like they could just throw
Speaker 2: everybody around for the rest of game, like there was
Speaker 2: just nothing because then they just had to protect it.
Speaker 2: So so yeah, I mean, I think Picard his music
Speaker 2: isn't playing yet, but like everyone knows he's in the arena,
Speaker 2: So I feel like Skinner is gonna have to come
Speaker 2: out strong or it'll be over real fast.
Speaker 1: And do you think if they did make the switch
Speaker 1: that that would play into like is that a good
Speaker 1: thing for Florida or a good I mean, obviously a
Speaker 1: good thing for Evonton if they're having to pull their
Speaker 1: starting goalie. But you who do you think this boost
Speaker 1: gives to of Florida saying Okay, we got him out
Speaker 1: of here, now we've got pickcard in he hasn't played
Speaker 1: in a while, or is it more more on the
Speaker 1: Edmonton side of okay, Well, he was good last time.
Speaker 3: Let's see we've got this time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that was when, you know,
Speaker 2: going into game three in the first round, right, we
Speaker 2: were like, oh yeah, here we go, like we're pulling
Speaker 2: Skinner Placard and Picard was so good that when they
Speaker 2: decided to put Skinner back in because Picard got hurt,
Speaker 2: we were all just like, oh, here we go, right,
Speaker 2: and he just came out and what did three shutouts
Speaker 2: or something like? I mean, so I feel like I
Speaker 2: just feel like Evonton Goldtening is just like throw, like
Speaker 2: flip a coin and tell me what it comes up as,
Speaker 2: and that's how it could go. Whereas Florida of course,
Speaker 2: just gets to hang out and as long as Bibroxkia
Speaker 2: doesn't get bumped then everything's fine.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and Bbrovski's been again. He's just been good
Speaker 1: and he's been steady. Made thirty two of thirty three saves.
Speaker 1: Did have a couple of big chances, a couple big
Speaker 1: stops on McDavid there, And does it concern you at
Speaker 1: all as an Edmonton fan, Like when we're having this conversation,
Speaker 1: a lot of the storyline center around is McDavid hurt?
Speaker 1: What happened with dry Sidle. Why is Corey Perry leading
Speaker 1: the team in shots? Why is Stuart Skinner playing the
Speaker 1: way he is? And then when we look at the
Speaker 1: Florida side, there aren't really a lot of question marks.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, and you know, again it's the and I
Speaker 2: don't mean to keep saying like again, but it is.
Speaker 2: I think when the way that the questions are framed,
Speaker 2: like all of the pressure is kind of and always
Speaker 2: has been on Edmonton here, like because Florida won it
Speaker 2: last year and Florida is just taking like the and
Speaker 2: I will use the word arrogant, like they're just going
Speaker 2: with arrogance because that is their personality. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: the team's personality and it's a decent one to try
Speaker 2: to win. It just makes for really bad hockey. But
Speaker 2: I think that that, yeah, it's it's going to be
Speaker 2: a question and now the pressure has arrived in terms
Speaker 2: of well, what's going on, what's wrong? And you know
Speaker 2: you want to avoid those questions, then don't play like
Speaker 2: you did last.
Speaker 1: Night exactly, And we talked about it already. Just special
Speaker 1: teams is obviously going to continue to be a big
Speaker 1: factor here. You had twenty eight penalty minutes in game two,
Speaker 1: you at one hundred and thirty eight in Game three,
Speaker 1: fifteen minor penalties. I mean, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you want to win and lose these games playing five
Speaker 1: on five and made the best team win. If you're
Speaker 1: going to keep giving matter who you are, if you're
Speaker 1: Florida or Edmonton, you cannot continuously give these teams the.
Speaker 3: Power play advantage.
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Speaker 1: today for three bets on the Liberty game, because I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna beat this guy up pretty badly. But
Speaker 1: as we again we're two days away from Game fourst
Speaker 1: we'll do the best job we can to give you
Speaker 1: the best bets for what's available out there.
Speaker 3: I will start.
Speaker 1: I've got the Edmonton Oilers on the money line. It's
Speaker 1: plus one thirty. I just I think you can actually
Speaker 1: get better odds now. I just love that. I don't
Speaker 1: think the Florida Panthers at minus one fifty is a
Speaker 1: good play. May Florida win maybe, But if you're giving
Speaker 1: me plus one thirty on the Oilers, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: it to even up the series. And then I know
Speaker 1: it's juicy. You can go to six and a half
Speaker 1: if you want. But I just like I always say
Speaker 1: the push potential at six, if we get a four
Speaker 1: to two final something of that nature, give me the
Speaker 1: over six until they that A can't go over six
Speaker 1: minus one twenty five and then Brad Marshad is my
Speaker 1: early player prop. He's just been so steady, he's been
Speaker 1: so consistent. He's playing on all the special teams as
Speaker 1: power play goals. He has shorthanded goals. He has even
Speaker 1: strength goals and he's helping out on the top line
Speaker 1: as well, So I will keep that hot hand there
Speaker 1: with Brad Marshawan. To get one plus points for minus
Speaker 1: one twenty, I think you can get a minus one
Speaker 1: fifteen some places too, but minus one twenty on the board, all.
Speaker 2: Right, So I'm gonna I'm going with the regression to
Speaker 2: the mean, right, so I think dry title comes out
Speaker 2: with two plus points. It's at plus one fourteen. I
Speaker 2: like the same as you right where I just feel
Speaker 2: like they are going to have to bounce back, and
Speaker 2: I think that there will be like a concerted effort
Speaker 2: to get him more involved than what he was yesterday.
Speaker 2: Evan Bouchard is like leading the Oilers in shots on
Speaker 2: goal I think by a wide margin, and he had
Speaker 2: nine last night. So the idea that he would get four,
Speaker 2: he's been shooting like he's just been shooting like crazy.
Speaker 2: So at plus one fifty eight, I, you know, three
Speaker 2: was so juiced. I was like, well, let's just go
Speaker 2: to four because I think that he can get there.
Speaker 2: And then I'm not gonna I'm not going against Bennett
Speaker 2: like I mean, plus one eighty for him to you know,
Speaker 2: get to do to keep doing what he's doing. I'm like, then, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's no point in that that that's a good number
Speaker 2: for him.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the props have been so heavily favored on
Speaker 1: the Edmonton side that it's like they almost don't realize that,
Speaker 1: you know, Florida's scoring three or four goals a game too. Uh,
Speaker 1: And so there's a lot of potential on the goals there.
Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, with Bouchard just watching the games,
Speaker 1: that's the way they want to play. He's just teeing
Speaker 1: it out from the point, hoping to get a tip
Speaker 1: from dry Siddle or McDavid in front of the net
Speaker 1: Corey Perry as well, and he's just letting it fly.
Speaker 1: And he's letting it fly, especially if you're getting you know,
Speaker 1: five or six power plays. He's the one that's running
Speaker 1: point back there. So that about does it for to day.
Speaker 1: We will be back again on Friday and we're either
Speaker 1: going to have a three one series or hopefully a
Speaker 1: two to two series, and we've got a best of
Speaker 1: three and we can sort of start all over again.
Speaker 1: So be interesting to see how this game goes. I'm
Speaker 1: really hoping the Oilers can tie it up, not just
Speaker 1: for my bets, but also for the fact that the
Speaker 1: conference finals are pretty short. I'm hoping the Stanley Cup
Speaker 1: finals aren't that short as well, and would like to
Speaker 1: see the Stanley Cup back in Canada. So before we
Speaker 1: get out of here, tell the people where they can
Speaker 1: find you and where they can see your best.
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