WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 92 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.680 Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:06.400 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:09.440 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:13.280 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:15.800 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:17.720 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:19.959 there's gotta be nothing new here for you, but you 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:21.640 can make your own decisions. 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:30.760 Chris crisodis ipsis christode is welcome to it could happen here, 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:32.960 a podcast where the only person who actually took Latin 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:34.920 in high school isn't here leading me to do this 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:37.960 Latin bit. I'm your host, Mia Wong, and with me 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:38.960 is Garrison. Hello. 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:43.360 Hello, I'm not gonna try to speak Latin because if 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.920 I did, it'd be some like weird like esoteric incantation 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:48.520 and then it would open up a whole other canet worms. 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:50.519 So you know, this is this is this is the 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.320 most the most well known Latin. That's probably not the 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.080 most well known Latin is probably some bullshit from like 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.680 Latin mass or something. But one of the more well 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:04.720 known Latins, which is who watches the Watchmen Roughly it's 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.959 not the test. The popular translation is who watches the watchmen? 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:10.280 And by that I mean we are asking the question 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:14.240 who ensures that the American Supreme Court does not just 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:16.880 sort of collapse into a ball of pure corruption. 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:22.319 And the answer was nobody. So true, I always trust 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:23.240 in the Supreme Court. 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:24.360 Yeah, it's great. 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:24.840 I learned. 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:28.880 I learned that we pay these people two hundred and 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:33.319 eighty five thousand dollars a year, Like we pay them 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:38.280 two hundred eighty five thousand dollars to like take our 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:39.000 rights away. 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.600 This is just insane. Well, why why do we do this? 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:47.000 It's uh, well, I mean this is a very clear 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.640 reason why we do this. Actually that maintains the semblance 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:55.840 of order and civility. Yes, however, coma deeply fractured however, Comma, this. 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.720 Is coming apart because these stupid assholes can't even maintain 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:01.120 the veneer of not being like the most corrupt people 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.400 in the history of mankind. So we're coming off of 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:11.440 like two, I mean not it. There wasn't really a 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.280 potential for this, this this session of the Court to 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.840 be as bad as like last year's one where they 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.000 killed row, but they killed affirmative action and they also 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:21.560 did this really really. 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:23.880 Just sort of. 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:30.160 Really weird ruling on queer stuff and the business's right 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:34.639 to discriminate and choose the business's rights to choose how 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.760 to use their creative expression, which has resulted in a 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.240 bunch of really funny things. I saw this morning. Actually, 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.480 there was this hair salon who was refer to serve 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:47.200 LGBTQ clients, which now all of like all of like 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.160 the suppliers for the hair salon are no longer sending 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:52.639 orders to the hair saloon because they're also allowed to 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.720 discriminate from this hair salod because of the same ruleing. 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.519 So it's creating all these really complicated like supply chain 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.919 things with businesses choosing to be really homophobic and queerophobic 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.519 and then like type of like a supplier is just 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:09.080 not then just not giving these businesses the supplies they 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.640 need to operate their business, which is pretty funny. 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.639 It's really amazing too. So the other thing about this 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.839 is like this is the actual ruling where like any 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.760 pretense that this is like a functional court was just 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:23.359 sort of thrown out the window because Okay, so one 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.359 of the one of the like the fundamental principles of 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:29.639 and this is like one of the fundamental principles of 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:34.680 the common law legal system, right of the legal system 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.560 that not only the US is based off of, but 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.000 like you know, I mean, like like literally, we're talking 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.080 like like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.720 years of history that pre date the American system arguably 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.200 can trace us back to the Roman system. One of 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.600 the things that's fundamentally based on is that you cannot 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:53.120 try a case on a hypothetical. Something has to something 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.760 has to actually happen for you to have a case, 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.920 And this case has just thrown that shit out the window. 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:02.520 So what this case was is there's this. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:07.600 Woman who supposedly is a wedding wedding website designer, and 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:09.520 we'll get back to that in a second, because oh boy, 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.160 uh just straight up lied to the court and claimed 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.520 that a guy had requested her make a wedding website 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:18.680 for a gay wedding. And this never happens, right, this 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:22.600 like did not happen. The journalist like tracked down the 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.000 guy who she said had like requested a website, and 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:30.000 that guy is a straight b had already been married, 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.120 and she is a web designer. 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.920 The whole the whole story is was just a fake. 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.040 I think I think like that's that's that's the part 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:41.559 of the story that I think got the most pressed. 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.159 But the part of the story that thinks like funnier 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.880 is that she's not actually a wedding website designer. This 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:52.120 entire case, she set up this entire site. What appears 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.520 to have happened, She's not wedding website designer now, right. 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:57.120 What appears to have happened is that she and like 0:04:58.240 --> 0:04:59.640 this sort of like one of the one of the 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.280 sort of right wing like legal networks got together and 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.960 cobbled together this business like specifically so they could get 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:06.760 this ruling. 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.000 So which which which seems like that should be a 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:16.440 like illegal It's this sounds it sounds like legal Fraudust 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.360 should be on trial. 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.480 For perjury right now. Her lawyers should also be like 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.440 her lawyers and her lied under oath multiple times to 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:32.240 multiple different courts. Like yes, what we're seeing here, right 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.760 is the sort of like thin legal veneer of it 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:36.800 has always been sort of over the Supreme Court that's 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:38.080 supposed to make it seem legitimate. 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:39.640 It's just sort of like unraveling. 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:46.720 And at the same time, so if if you if 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.320 you if you think that makes the Supreme Court like 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:50.680 like look illegitimate. 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.279 Wait do we get to the corruption. 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.200 This is the real reason we're doing this episode because 0:05:56.240 --> 0:06:01.400 oh my God, Jesus Christ, this is I oh God. 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:03.960 Then you know the thing I really learned from this 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.479 is I didn't understand how rich Supreme Court. 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.080 Justices are, like Clarence Thomas. 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.360 And in all of the pieces about Clarence Thomas, right, 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.040 it starts with like he is like the poorest of 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:19.200 Supreme Court justices and his family makes eight hundred thousand 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:19.960 dollars a year. 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.840 It's like that seems like a lot of money. What 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:26.600 are you even talking about? 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:34.559 Like, So, in terms of the sort of corruption stuff 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.760 that's been happening, there's been a bunch of uh, there's 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.960 a bunch of research down by Republica into a bunch 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.440 of just like incredibly shady and corrupt things that a 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.080 bunch of Supreme Court justices are doing. So we're gonna 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:50.240 start with bastard's podlum, Clarence Thomas. So one of Thomas's 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.680 close friends is this real estate mogul named Harlan Crowe, 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:59.560 and he Harlan Crowe sucks ass. He and Harlan Crowe sounds. 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.640 Like what you would name like some like weird, like 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.360 rich villain and like a pulpy seventies like mystery novel. 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.960 I I don't did you see when what like when 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:11.800 people figured out who this guy was and it went 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.960 around on Twitter. No oh, I'm so excited for you. Okay, 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.080 this this is gonna be great. So okay, So, so 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.920 Harley Crowe is he's one of the country's largest landlords. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:22.800 He has like he's a. 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:27.520 Portfolio of twenty nine billion dollars of assets. He he 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:32.360 owns property used like all over the US. He also okay, 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.240 so he has a giant mansion, right, and in his 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.520 giant mansion is a bunch of Nazi memorabilia, including an 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.040 autographed copy of this this guy. 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.440 Yes, okay, now that now that you mentioned the Nazi 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:46.720 now so, so he he has the. 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:48.920 Things that like stereotypically you would assume that like a 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.040 like a Nazi para familiar guy has, right, Like he 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.160 has like he has that sign, an autogap copy of 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.320 my com He has like a bunch of pictures that 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.560 were drawn by a bunch of like actual paintings that 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:02.760 were drawn by Hitler. But he also has weird ship 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.440 like something I've never seen before. Like he has like 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:11.880 this these sets of like napkins that just have swastikas 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.240 on them because they were like official Nazi napkins. 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:16.920 I feel like we probably shouldn't, like we can even 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.679 keep one copy of these, and like the Holocaust Museum 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:21.360 and the rest of this stuff should be like burned, right, 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.120 like we shouldn't. Yeah, we shouldn't really have them to 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:25.600 this tough line around. 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.720 You know, Like Okay, so I'm gonna circle back to 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.520 this because I think there's one there's another piece of 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:32.240 context that we need to get you. He also has 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.040 this thing called this he has he is this thing 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.000 he calls the Garden of Evil, which is this like 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:44.040 garden of statues of the garden he calls evil. Yes, 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.920 And it's a it's a statue guarded behind his house 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.400 that has like a bunch of like statues of dictators. 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.839 They're like almost all communists. He really hates Tito for 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:53.400 some reason. 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:54.640 I don't know why. 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:57.599 Well, I mean, she's a billionaire, obviously, Like this is 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.240 why he hates Tito. But I funny thing is, it's 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:04.360 like almost all it's like almost entirely communist, Like there's 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:05.440 no like Mussolini or anything. 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:06.560 It's like it's all communists. 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.079 There's no Mussolini. What No, No, there's like there's there's 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.480 a host name Ubarick, and then there's one of what 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:16.920 what's the guy's name? I don't remember his name, princess 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.840 the guy who shot our Streek Ferdinand, which is weird 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:23.679 because that guy was not he wasn't he wasn't evil. No, well, 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.280 that's I will not. I refuse to take a position 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.679 on that. I'm like, that's not my position. My position, 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.360 like he's a dictator. Oh yeah, that's like on the 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.319 level of like evil on a dictator level, Like he's 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:41.400 not He's no mau he's no Hitler, Like come on, 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.480 like he also like again, he is not a dictator. 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:48.240 He was just some fucking random guy like the guy 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.000 you kill our streak furnite Like okay, baffling stuff, but 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:52.520 but okay, the important thing about this. 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.520 Well, okay, first of who would be your first five 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.480 statues in your own garden of evil garden? 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:06.240 Oh okay, this is this is gonna be very biased 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:10.800 because I'm ranking this by people I have personal grudges against. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:16.520 Okay, Well, so if you're doing personal grudges the entire 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:20.679 year air to one U C C. I, Uh, what 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:21.679 the fuck is his name? 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:23.199 Paul Volker? 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:25.559 Who else do I have? Who else do I have 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:29.800 a personal grudge against? Who's a dictator? Mohammed ben somebon 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.600 because he bought my fucking StarCraft league? 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:41.760 What the fuck are you talking about on that one day? Okay, well, 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:47.880 well we'll put what we'll put. We'll put MAUT number five. Fair, fair, Okay, now. 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:49.679 Okay, So the reason the reason I bring up the 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.040 the the the the Garden of Evil, right is that. Okay, 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.640 so he has like a thing where he puts all 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.640 the stuff from the evil dictators, but then all of 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:03.040 the notazi stuff is just like randomly strewed about his house. 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.600 Like his living quarters. 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.839 Yeah, like like they'll just don't be paintings by like 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.320 actually he has like bush painting seals hill paintings would 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.640 be like bush, they'll be like like a renoir and 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:13.959 then they'll just be a Hitler painting. 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.120 It's like he's this guy. 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:19.000 All of his friends would because this guy has like 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.480 a bunch of like right, because he's one of the 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:26.840 guys all would be like this man is not a Nazi, 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:30.959 and I'm like, I he hasn't he has. I don't know, man, Like, 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.800 there are not many non Nazi reasons why you would 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:37.679 have like multiple of Hitler's paintings hanging on your wall 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.000 and also the signed autograph copy of. 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:42.959 I just want to remind myself that there's evil in 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.600 the world, you know. Okay, Okay, this gets me pissed off. 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.280 So my my. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:53.240 One of my grandpa's I took took a took a 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.559 Nazi sword off a dead officer and like brought it 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.040 home from the war and it should be like and 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:00.599 we like still have Ituse what the fuck are you 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.880 supposed to do with that? Right? So like that that's 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:04.880 like we we have one of those, right, But like 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.719 we didn't take an autographed copy of my cough. We 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.240 fucking killed a Nazi officer and took it from him. 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:13.439 Like if we're gonna do this, you have to do 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:14.160 it correctly. 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.079 Yeah, I don't know. 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:21.920 But this guy, this guy, okay, oh, so she gets 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:25.440 really really he's like unfathomably mad that people wear shake 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:26.160 of our shirts. 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:31.320 Like she's mean, me too, mad me too of our shirt. 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.439 I'm usually not most almost circling back around on it 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.679 just because it makes this guy so mad. Like this 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.240 guy in particular appears to be worse most of the 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.600 take of our shirts I've seen are sold by disgraced 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:49.600 white disgrace the right wing commentator Stephen Crowder. So, oh god, 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.120 what the na we we we we've we've truly entered 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:56.760 hell world now, Uh okay, So why why why am 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.600 I talking about Harlan Crow partially because he's really. 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.920 Funny, doesn't it doesn't he like give a lot of 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:03.439 money to like certain people. 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.439 So okay, we're we're Yeah. So she he's one of 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:11.559 the people who runs a really really extensive network of 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.760 sort of like this like right wing like think tank 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:21.199 dark money network that you know, buys judges, like pays 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:25.680 for people's legal careers. And he's also very close friends 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:29.320 with Clarence Thomas. And so I'm gonna just run through 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:33.160 all of the ship that he's like all of these 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:37.920 just like incredible corruption that he's doing. So okay, so 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.079 I'm gonna start with like this is like this is 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.440 like like the level one corruption, which is so Crow 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:47.559 bought Clarence Thomas's mom's house and then did quote tens 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:51.679 of thousands of dollars of improvements to the home, and 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.160 he seems to have bought the house for like significantly 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:59.000 above market rate. And so this is this is a 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.719 this is I'm gonna, I'm gonna we're gonna do it. 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.360 We're gonna do a corruption anatomy here because this is 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:09.959 a classic Chicago, uh corruption scam. So there there's like 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.439 there's like six revenue streams in this. Right, you have 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.319 the money from the sale, which goes to like you 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.520 know that that that that's that's like that's your level 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.440 one bribe, right is you're selling, you're selling, you know, 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.120 you're you're selling your house to someone at above market value. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.680 The level two bribe is, uh, you're not. You're now 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.680 throwing in the renovations because his mom is still living 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:30.240 in this house. 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:30.600 Right. 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.440 Oh so this is like it's like actual bribery. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.400 Huh oh yeah, yeah, this is and again this is 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:39.680 like the mild stuff. So that that level level two 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.480 is you get that, you know, Okay, so now now 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:44.440 you have the contractors, and the contractors allow you to 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.480 throw in more money into the bribe because you're now 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.840 you're now doing all this renovation work like for free. 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:52.680 The level three of the bribes is that. 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.680 Okay, so now now once you once you have a 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.840 renovation contract, you now have a contract that pays out 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.560 money and you can and use that to like reward 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.320 your political allies. And so this is this is this 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:11.280 is a classic like absolutely classic like Chicago like payoff scheme. 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:17.320 Now the other thing that's so so Harlan was contacted 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.680 about this and she claims that he's buying this house 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.800 because he wants to preserve it for posterity because Clarence 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:30.320 Thomas lived there, m sure, which, like she is very weird. 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.960 She did give one hundred thousand dollars to Harvard to 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.880 buy a portrait of like to get them to hang 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.720 up a portrait of Clarence Thomas, so you know he 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.320 is a deeply weird guy. But this, uh, this. 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:42.080 Reeks of. 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:50.400 Of oh boy, now yes, yes, WELLBLIC like ProPublica points 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:53.640 out also that they they bought two random vacant lots 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:57.080 in the area from Thomas for like unclear reasons. And 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.640 you now you can also you can also ask why 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.640 does Supreme Court Justice like own a bunch of random 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:08.040 vacant lots? And the answer to this question is that 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.760 these people are part of the real warsoisi they are 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.120 like they they they are like as alien to us 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.720 lstate scamming, right, this is like yeah, like basically yeah, 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:22.160 like they're they're they're they're they're doing stuff, like they 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.200 do stuff with their money that like makes them like 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.320 like they they are like as dissimilar to us as 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.560 like we are from like a fucking Neanderthal. Like these people, 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:33.880 like the way they think about money, the way they 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.000 like just like the way they act in the world, 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:37.640 the way they relate to other people, like the fact 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.720 that they're just buying random fucking lots like across the 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:48.360 street from their parents' house, like why who knows? And 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.360 and Okay, so the thing that's very important about this 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:55.720 right is if you you know, okay, everyone in the 0:16:55.840 --> 0:17:00.360 government right from like starting from every core that is 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.960 below the Supreme Court down to like a fucking astronomer 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.399 who works for a national lab If you receive a 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.240 like a large gift over five hundred dollars, you have 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:11.679 to report it to the government, and there's like an 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:13.480 ethics process you have to go through. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:14.760 And this the standard. 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:16.720 And again, this is the standard that holds from like 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:20.399 like the fucking President of the United States down to 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:24.359 again like a random astronomer. They are not allowed to 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:28.120 have to do anything that has quote even the appearance 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:31.760 of impropriety. Now do you want to do you want 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:36.080 to know who these standards don't apply to just the 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.639 Supreme Course, yep, does not apply to them. They had 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:41.800 There's only one thing they have to do, right and 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.760 aga again this amazing Like so again everyone else has 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:49.680 actual enforceable ethics standards the Supreme Court has. You have 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.199 to report it. It doesn't have to go through an 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:53.840 axcess commission. You just have to report it. 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:55.840 And yeah, do you do you? 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:58.840 I'll give you three guesses as to how much of 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:00.560 any of the ship that I just talked about that 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:01.720 clear as Thomas reported. 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:06.720 Probably none of a nope, absolutely not zero, zero of it, 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.840 like you over one hundred thousand, probably like one hundred 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.800 and fifty thousand dollars of bullshit, no reporting at all. 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:16.920 I'm sure the cops are gonna go arrest him for all. 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.760 These crimes, right, yeah, yeah, right at any day now. 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.000 Uh huh yeah, yeah, it's gonna be busting down his 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.600 door now that we've cracked this one wide open. 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:28.240 A Okay, do you do you know who else is? 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.800 And I am not joking legitimately is bound by significantly 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:37.880 stricter i ethic ethics regulations than the Supreme Court. It's 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.720 the plugging these products and services. I SEC advertising guidelines 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:42.560 that we have to follow. 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:46.639 I am a podcaster every few months and guidelines of 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:47.840 the Supreme every few months. 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:49.400 We have to take like a like a ten minute 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.800 training that just basically just plugs into our brains and 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.680 uh it downloads all of these like terms and conditions 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:59.840 that we then just robotically need to enforce. So yeah, 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:05.199 do you know who else com it's fraud? Were legally 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:11.440 not let I say that these products and services Oo 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.840 it's okay, Well I'm gonna have to do another one 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:19.119 of those FCC trainings after this. Well, well. 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.920 Crime crime is just legal now like this this is 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.520 what I'm getting at on this free court stuff. So 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:30.320 all right, I started with this housing scam because A 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:31.920 It's like, okay, this is this is like this is 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:34.000 like a classic level scam. Bbe this is because this 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.760 is like absolute brush league shit compared to like everything 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:38.960 else that's about to happen. 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:40.960 Here are you telling me this is? This is this 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:41.880 is gonna get worse. 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.000 Oh okay, so all right, I'm just gonna I'm just 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:48.200 gonna start reading this from pro publica because I don't 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:51.280 I cannot think of a funnier way to just do this. 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:55.679 In late June twenty nineteen, right after the US Supreme 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.359 Court released its final opinion of the term, just as 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:02.560 Clarence Thomas bored in a lar private jet headed to Indonesia. 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:07.040 He and his wife were going on a vacation nine 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.119 days of island hopping in a volcanic archipelago on a 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:12.800 super yacht staff by a coterie of attendance and a 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.840 private chef. If Thomas had chartered the plane in the 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.240 one hundred and sixty two foot yachts himself, the total 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:22.560 cost of the trip could have exceeded five hundred thousand dollars. 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:27.080 Fortunately for him, that wasn't necessary. He was on vacation 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:30.119 with real estate mogul and Republican mega donor Harlan Klohe, 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:32.320 who owned the jet and the yacht too. 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:40.000 Ah, I see this just sounds like a friendly vacation, right. 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:43.400 I need to read. 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:47.080 Another another like really just genuinely from one of the 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:50.480 most brutal polls I've ever seen anyone do is later 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:54.960 on this Republic article quote. In Thomas's public appearances over 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.399 the years, he has presented himself as an everyman with 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:01.240 modest tastes. I don't have a problem with going to Europe, 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.400 but I prefer the United States, and I prefer seeing 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.359 the regular parts of the United States, Thomas said in 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:08.960 a recent interview for a documentary about his life, which 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:12.920 Crow helped finance. I prefer the RV parks. I prefer 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:15.600 the Walmart parking lots to the beaches and things like that. 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:17.639 There's something normal about. 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:19.160 It, doubt doubt. 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:20.320 You know. 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.080 I don't think he's gonna be getting a charteredy oats 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.480 all the Walmart parking lots. Honestly, I don't really see 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:30.600 that one happening five hundred thousand dollars. 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.080 And the thing about this, it seems like he does 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:41.399 something like this every fucking year, Like because I wish I. 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:44.440 Could take I wish I could take a Supreme Court 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.119 justice out to the open waters of the sea about 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:51.840 once a year. You know, wouldn't that be fun for 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:52.920 everybody involved? 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:55.440 Well, I mean, here's the thing. We're gonna have to 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:56.960 pull our money into rent the submarine. 0:21:58.200 --> 0:21:59.400 That's true, that's true. 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:05.400 But we look, we will persevere, we will achieve submarine. 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:09.760 There's no laws on the ocean International waters. 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:11.639 Baby is legal. 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:19.680 Ass As are regrettably off doing actual journalism. Colleague James 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:21.960 constantly reminds us it is legal for him to fight 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:22.640 the seal. 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:27.720 International waters, just as legal as me disparaging all of 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:28.720 our advertisers. 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:34.040 So all right, you know, okay, So like obviously what 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:39.840 is happening, Like Harlan Crowe, like this is a level 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:45.480 of like bribery where it's like the wheels kind of 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:49.800 fall off of the word bribery because like, how do 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:54.600 you even I don't know, I don't even I don't 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:55.960 have a way to adequately. 0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:56.639 Describe what this is. 0:22:57.080 --> 0:22:59.320 What I'm going to do instead is to remind everyone 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:01.680 that Thomas was one of the justices who decided Citizens 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:04.280 United in the twenty ten case that made it legal 0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:07.440 to bribe politicians through campaign donations and allowed corporations to 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:12.480 directly involve themselves in legal campaigns, League leading like directly 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:15.600 to the hellhole we now I'll live in now once again, 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:19.800 Thomas was required to report this as a gift to 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:24.600 the government, and he simply did not. And you know, 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:28.840 this is one of those things where okay, so like 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:33.040 if a normal person does this right in the governments, 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:37.119 you would take them to court. But we've now returned 0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:39.600 to our problem of who watches the watchers because it's 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:42.640 Supreme Court, right, they've established themselves as a dictatorial ruling 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:47.120 council based on a power grab. And you know, I'm 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:49.840 gonna do my the Supreme Court rant I do every time. 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:51.560 But the Supreme Court does not have the power of 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:54.560 judicial review. They do not have the power to strike 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:56.760 down laws. They don't have it. They fucking get vened 0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:58.920 it out of whole cloth in eighteen o two. It 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.720 doesn't exist, it's not it's never been real. You can 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:04.840 just fucking ignore them. But in the meantime, while everyone 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:06.840 believes it it's real, they get to do this bullshit. 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:13.640 And you know, so, yeah, so that that Indonesia trip 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:15.879 is like the big one that we know of. He 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:19.800 took another one to like Moscow and another. But the 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:22.560 other thing that that see he seems to have been 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:25.639 doing a lot is basically like he like just uses 0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:32.240 Harlan Crowe's private jet as like his own jet republica 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:36.240 calculated that like one just like one flight that he 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:40.360 took in twenty sixteen would have cost seventy thousand dollars, 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:42.520 which is more than I make in a fucking year. 0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:45.080 Yeah, why why why did that cost so much? 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:49.440 It's really expensive to to to lease those kind of 0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:51.680 like that specific kind of private jet. 0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:54.800 Oh yeah, okay, if it's for a whole private jet, 0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:57.800 that makes sense. Yeah, I say, likely wouldn't least a 0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:01.159 whole private jet. But I'm just built different, well I did. 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:04.080 Clarence Thomas has built even more different because instead of 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:05.760 leasing it, he just has a friend who has the 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:09.320 jet who just lets him take this Like like one 0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:11.680 of the Republicans doings, they were just tracking the jet 0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:14.720 and they they they could match the jet showing up 0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.040 to the airport where Clarence Thomas was gonna be, and 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:19.920 then and the jet would mysteriously then appear in a 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:23.600 location where Clarence Thomas appeared, and it was like hmm, 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:27.880 and and this whole thing we should specifically know. So okay, 0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:30.399 the reason the Supreme Court has to do any of 0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:32.119 this at all is that the stream is that like 0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:36.320 someone finally had a good idea right after Watergate that 0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:38.840 was like we should actually make everyone in the government 0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:43.280 disclose their gifts and this and this law actually like 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:45.520 included the Streame Court, although I feel like it won't 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:48.160 in like two years when they strike that law down 0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:51.320 or some shit. But you know, but again, like one 0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:54.480 of the things that like specifically in this law is 0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:56.399 if you take a private jet, you have to report it. 0:25:57.000 --> 0:26:00.359 And Thomas has been just like jetting out in this 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:06.280 fucking jet for like a like many like at least 0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:10.440 like at least seven years that we know of, and 0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:11.639 has never reported it. 0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.359 So let's let's I'm sure the FBI is going to 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:18.280 be busting down his doors any day now. 0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:21.200 Oh yeah, And again, like, let let less you unless 0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:23.120 you think we've reached the end of the Clara's Thomas 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:27.399 corruption crow. Also like, okay, so you know how Claire's 0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:30.360 Thomas's wife is like a qan On person and tried 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:34.040 to overstow the government. Yes, so she has like a 0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:38.400 she has like a like a it's like a basically 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:43.080 bullshit like political lobbying group. But it's like so it's 0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:45.040 a lobbying group, but like the actual thing that it 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:47.840 does is reverse lobbying, which is you can go to 0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:50.440 the lobbying group and use it for like to get 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:58.119 access to Clarence Thomas, and that group funded. God, I 0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:00.840 didn't write down the number of mount like that group 0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:05.000 got like two hundred thousand dollars that again, his wife 0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:08.359 works for got like two hundred thousand dollars from crow. 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:12.720 There was another story that which which just now, I'm 0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:14.959 no a lawyer. These are not actual. These these are 0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:18.600 these claims have no basis. This is just an uneducated opinion. 0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:21.680 But to me, if I saw this in a movie, 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:23.920 I would call this money laundering. 0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:30.240 Oh yeah, well, like, oh god, okay, so what literally, 0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:31.840 just let me just go to the next one, because 0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:32.680 there's fucking more. 0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:35.960 There's more. There's like so. 0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:41.680 All right, Clarence Thomas has like a grandnephew that he 0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:45.480 like adopted as his son. Basically like he like went 0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:48.119 to the family of this kid. It was like, I 0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:50.200 can give this kid everything in the world, so you 0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:52.240 should like give him to me. I'm sure this is 0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:55.840 all above board. I I don't know. 0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:59.399 This is uh what about this man has proved to 0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.000 you that he's untrustworthy? What do you mean? 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:06.960 Okay to me? Fair Claras Thomas makes the argument that 0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:09.080 like He did this because, like he was abandoned by 0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.240 his father as a kid and was raised by his grandfather. 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:12.960 So he was like, Okay, I'm gonna raise this kid 0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:14.840 like I'm gonna steal his better life. 0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:17.480 His parents need to have a grid to. I don't know. 0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:21.399 I you you you can you can read into that 0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:24.160 the level of sketchiness that you want to. The part 0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:25.840 that I'm gonna I want to talk about is that 0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.119 this kid. Okay, so a thing, a thing that I 0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:34.399 didn't understand until I got to like college, is that, like, Okay, 0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:37.960 so like I knew intellectually that private schools existed, I 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:41.320 did not understand that private schools there are like like 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:43.400 there's like because I was used to like like Christian 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:48.080 private schools, right, yeah, yeah, I did not, Like I 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:52.840 didn't like get how rich people could be, and I 0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:56.640 didn't understand that that they were. Like I I like, 0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:59.360 walk in there and there's like nine kids who all 0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:01.520 speak Latin and every single one of them went to 0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:04.960 a private school that was like fifty at least fifty 0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:09.640 like somewhere between fifteen and one hundred thousand dollars a quarter. Yeah, 0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:14.160 is like what the fuck? What the shit so Clarace 0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:19.240 Thomas isn't so his the schools he's going to aren't 0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:25.280 quite that expensive, but the kid, the ones he sends this, 0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:31.920 this kid to, So for two years, the estimate is 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:35.520 that it was one hundred and fifty thousand dollars per year. 0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:37.960 That was for two years, so seventy five thousand dollars 0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:40.280 a year, which again more than I make it a year. 0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.200 That's reasonable, that's fine, that's fine. 0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:46.240 That is more. That is more than like that is 0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.560 more expensive than my fucking college. That is more expensive. 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:51.280 Like I like that. 0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:55.400 It is. It is a ludicrous amoss money. And guess 0:29:55.440 --> 0:30:05.280 who paid that. I'm guessing Harlan Krumb. This is why 0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:07.120 I don't. It's gonna just gonna pick it, just gonna pick, 0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:08.800 like a random name off the top of my head. 0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:17.440 This Hitler's number one fan, hard and crouded. 0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:20.560 It's so amazing because like again, all of these people 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:25.520 have this, Like every single like conservative, like every conservative journalist, 0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:28.960 like every conservative judge and every conservative politician are. 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:31.880 They all have one of these guys? Yeah, well it's 0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:34.360 this guy. This is the guy and so and every 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:38.360 so like everything like the Koch Brothers fund a whole 0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:42.520 bunch of like content creators. Like but yeah, every almost 0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:45.720 every big like right wing dude has one of these guys, 0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:49.080 which is totally unfair because the entire left has to 0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:52.040 share one of these guys. We only get one, and 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:54.880 he has to fund everything on the left. Meanwhile, the 0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:57.360 right has like has like a dime a dozen of these, 0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:00.280 you know, like like well. 0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:03.360 Legitimately, like like this was actually legitimately the thing that 0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:05.120 caused Soros to get into politics. You looked at us 0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:06.480 and he was like, what the fuck is going on? 0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:08.200 Like this is insane? 0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:11.040 Like why what? What do you mean? 0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:15.640 Like the American Enterprise Institute just like creates Supreme Court justice. 0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:17.720 It's like what and you know, but like so, but 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:20.280 the funniest part about this is again, whenever any of 0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:24.400 these pieces come out, like every single conservative like pundits 0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:28.080 like in Unison and like like all of their fucking newspapers, 0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:30.360 all of their magazines, they're all funded by these people, 0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:33.080 so they all like published like identical things going like 0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:36.920 how dare you criticize like the noble friendship of hard 0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:41.040 of this billionaire and the Supreme Court justice or just pals. 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:44.000 They're just extending hospitality like you would to any other 0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:46.920 friend by taking them on a half a million dollar 0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:52.720 cruise around on your yacht. It's it's it's it's like 0:31:52.840 --> 0:32:00.320 incredible stuff. All right, we should do we should we 0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:04.400 should do one more ads because you know who's These 0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:08.520 are advertisements that we are being paid to promote. 0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:12.800 These are not our personal opinions, these are these are ads. 0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:13.680 There. 0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:18.040 I followed the SEC guidelines. Here's the fucking ads, and 0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:21.560 we're back, totally totally not gonna get in trouble for 0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:21.960 that one. 0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:24.640 Let let lest you think, and I kind of emphasize 0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:26.840 this enough. This is something that was like when these 0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:30.360 stories first started coming out, the way it was framed 0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:34.120 was like like Clarence Thomas is like a uniquely corrupt 0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:38.840 Supreme Court justice. And then people did literally any digging, 0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:41.040 and it turns out that Clarence Thomas is not a 0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.320 uniquely corrupt Supreme Court like all of the like Supreme 0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:47.160 Court legal justice like experts were like, this is like 0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.000 a unique situation the history of the court. And then 0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:54.440 like like literally two months later, so Samuel Alito, who 0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:58.560 is another Supreme Court justice, I in and this isn't. 0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:00.840 This is in two thousand and seven, appears on a 0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:05.640 a two hundred thousand dollars fishing trip in Alaska with 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:09.800 a billionaire hedge fund manager, Paul Singer, who is Singer 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:11.959 is like one of the most like Okay, as much 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:14.680 as I don't like Carlan Crowe, like, Singer is like 0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:16.600 one of the most evil people who's ever lived. 0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:21.520 Do you know who Singer is? No, but I'm sure 0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.600 this opinion is is singers same opinion as all of 0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:25.480 our advertisers. 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:28.120 Probably our advertisers probably don't like him. It would not 0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:32.719 surprise me. So Singer is just like incredibly unbelievably relentlessly 0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:36.800 aggressive like hedge fund guy, and his thing is he 0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:40.880 like goes into companies and like like makes really embarrassing 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:44.560 like slideshows about their CEOs and then like deposes them 0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:46.040 and then takes them over and the trip's then for 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.240 assets and sells them all. So that's like the one 0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:50.320 that's like one thing that he does. The other thing 0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:53.120 that he's cool, Well yeah, I mean it sucks because 0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:55.520 like every single person who would work, they lose their drop. 0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:57.760 But this that's the less bad thing that he does, right, 0:33:57.840 --> 0:33:59.400 Like like this this is what I'm talking like, this 0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:01.200 is like legitimate one of the worst people in the world, 0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:05.360 like for like any norm like Mitt Romney, right, like 0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:08.719 that was the worst shit that he ever did. Was 0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.279 was like just destroying a bunch of people's lives by 0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:14.440 like annihilating these companies. For Singer, that's like that's like 0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:16.320 the fuck, that's the bullshit stuff like that. That's like 0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:20.719 that's the fucking brush league shit. Singer's actual game is 0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:25.720 so one of the things that happens over the course 0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:28.680 of the seventies and eighties is you get a bunch 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:31.640 of uh I've talked about this at length of my 0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:34.120 Neylberalist and episodes, But you get a bunch of these 0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:38.360 economies that basically like across the global South that just implode. 0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:41.760 And they implode because there's this combination of like commodity 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.440 prices drop and then they have all these adjustable rate 0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:47.560 like loans that they're taken out and when Paul Volker 0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.520 hot like hikes interest rates, all of these like loans 0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:52.840 suddenly have like twenty percent interest, And so you have 0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:54.880 all these economies all over the world that just fucking 0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:57.800 are imploding because they suddenly have this like unbelievable that 0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:01.520 they can't pay off, and so over the course of 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.640 the nineties, this kind of like anti IMF revolts starts 0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:08.439 and I have the International Monetary Fund are the people 0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:11.680 who you're borrowing money from who also destroy your economy 0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:15.520 to like you know, like pay the IMF back the money. 0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:18.680 By the time you get into like the two thousands, 0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:21.960 it's gotten less bad. Well, I guess bad again, tails Nate. 0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:24.719 But there had been this process of debt restructuring where 0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:26.960 these countries were allowed to like only pay like a 0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:29.280 small percentage of the debt because they just literally couldn't 0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.320 pay it because their economies have been destroyed. Or and 0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:34.840 this is another very common thing. You get a country 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:36.480 where like a bunch of loans were taken out by 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:40.240 like a dictator and he would just like buy planes 0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:43.680 with them and then he get deposed. But you know, 0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:46.080 the IMF and like the World Bank was still hold 0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:47.839 them liable for the loans. And it's like, well, okay, 0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:51.320 like that's like the money's gone right, Like it's in 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.279 like a bunch of gold bars. This guy like drove 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.440 across the border when he like fled. 0:35:59.080 --> 0:35:59.400 Singer. 0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:03.600 Singer is like the last guy who really goes in 0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:06.719 for like to buy this debt and the result is this, So, 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:08.480 for example, like he buys a bunch of the debt 0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:12.000 of the Democratic Republic of the Congo and the result 0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.360 of this is that he turns like the entire Congoese 0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:17.960 economy into this debt servicing machine. We're like just like 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.320 every like there's they're like they're they're there's they're stripping 0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:22.080 the copper wires out of the buildings in order to 0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:28.160 like fucking pay for oh metaphorically, so metaphorically they are 0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:30.600 stripping the copper wires to pay this debt off. Uh, 0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:33.760 not metaphorically, they are taking food from the mouths of babies, 0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.120 because the way this stuff is paid for is they 0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.000 cut a bunch of government assistance programs and they're like, 0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:41.319 you know, they don't build fucking hospitals, they don't staff hospitals, 0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:44.120 and so like a lot, Like he has killed a 0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:49.920 lot of people, and his his most famous version of 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:53.960 this was this battle that he waged against Argentina. So 0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:56.680 in in two thousand and one, there is this massive 0:36:57.160 --> 0:37:02.919 like basically like the last twentieth century, like the last 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:06.440 twentieth century, communist revolution happens in Argentina in two thousand 0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:10.640 and one, and they lose, but it's they they lose 0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:15.160 like pretty it like only pretty narrowly doesn't work. Like 0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:17.440 there is a there is a timeline that is not 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:21.040 that different from this one, where like like a bunch 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.719 of anarchists basically have taking control of Argentina, and the 0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:27.600 result of this is that Argentina defaults on its debt, 0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:31.040 and you know, they default in this debt, so they 0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:33.840 enter this restructuring program, and all of the rest of 0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:37.279 the like people who are like holding this debt are like, okay, well, 0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:40.719 in order to let the Argentina economy recover and get 0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:42.680 like some of this money back, we'll just like let 0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:45.399 like okay, well, we'll like write off most of our debt. 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:48.160 But Singer like looks at this and is like, oh shit, 0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:50.120 I'm just gonna buy all this debt that I know 0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:53.760 is junk and can't be repaid, and then I'm gonna 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.040 go to the courts in the US and like just 0:37:56.160 --> 0:38:00.920 force Argentina to repay it. Now he sees not how 0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:02.200 debt is supposed to work. 0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:02.640 Right. 0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:04.960 The thing about debt, right, the thing about like lending 0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:07.480 someone money or you know, this is what essentially what 0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:10.200 buying someone's debt is right. The thing about that, right 0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:13.400 is if the person can't pay you back you're supposed to, 0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:15.919 you were out of the money, right like that. That's 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.160 that's that's you know, this is this is the theoretical 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:21.160 economic justification for why you can charge interest because there's risk. 0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:25.640 But what Singer figured out is that you could just 0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:28.799 use the US court system and you know, the threat 0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:30.880 of the the the implicit and explicit threat of the 0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:33.840 US military to just like force people to pay you 0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:35.040 whether they have money or not. 0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:38.520 And so and this is what so, this is what 0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:38.920 he does. 0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.200 He's he's like the one he's the one creditor because 0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:45.120 he buys like an enormous amount of this debt, and 0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:47.880 he's the one creditor who refuses to negotiate. And so 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.960 he like starts running around the US trying to like 0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:54.919 steal Argentinian assets, like he tries to have like Argentina's 0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:59.080 central bank reserves seized. There's other like it's the most 0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:03.080 famous incidence, he tries to steal an Argentinian worship in 0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:06.920 order to pay down the debt. There's another one where 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:09.320 like he tries to like he tries to steal Argentina's 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:13.719 entire pension fund. And this causes this like series of 0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:17.640 like lawsuits that sort of like run their way through 0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:22.000 the courts, and in twenty fourteen, one of these cases 0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:25.360 finally makes it to this review court. And this is 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:28.720 where Singers two hundred thousand dollars Alaskan fishing trip pays 0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:32.520 off because Samuel Alito rules that Argentina has to play 0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:37.239 Singer two point four billion dollars and eventually they do so. 0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:41.759 Alito like like he's also he also has another guy 0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:45.960 who just like pays for his vacations. Who's the uh 0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:49.040 I don't know if I want to say incredibly named 0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:53.600 or disturbingly named, but this guy's name is Robin Arkley 0:39:53.760 --> 0:40:00.480 the second wait, Robin Robin Arkley the second second God, Okay, yeah, 0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:04.000 and he's a also like a genuinely terrible person, like 0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:08.279 these are these are all like you read Hitchhickers. Have 0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:12.320 you read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? No? Okay, So 0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:16.040 my favorite bit from that is there's a bit where 0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:19.160 like the encyclopedia from the Foundation series, like from the future, 0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:21.920 like falls down and it falls open onto a page 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:24.040 and someone had just made a joke about how these 0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:25.520 people are gonna be the first against the wall when 0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:27.880 the revolution comes. And the Encyclopedia for the Future drops 0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:29.799 down and they open it and it says that these 0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:32.000 two people were first against the wall when the revolution came. 0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:34.920 And that's like all of these people, these are like 0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:37.360 the worst people in the fucking world or like in 0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:37.920 the US. 0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:39.920 So this guy. 0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:45.880 Arcley makes his fortune like buying distressed mortgages and then 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:49.520 for closing on people's houses and flipping them, so he 0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:53.040 is seems like a valuable contributor to the ecail, like 0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:55.880 I you know, I mean this is like this is 0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:58.680 literally like literally one of the old like crime think 0:40:58.840 --> 0:41:01.400 jokes was when the bank seizes your house, the GDP 0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:05.040 GDP goes up. Like that's literally this guy, this, this 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:06.719 is the guy who makes the GDP go up by 0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:10.799 seizing it by stealing your house. And so this guy 0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:16.680 takes Alito on a bunch of trips. So when when 0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:20.680 Republica like reaches out to Aledo about this, he gets 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:28.040 so mad that she the Wall Street Journal editorial board 0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:31.759 allows him to publish a like an op ed that 0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:34.239 is just him yelling about how this article that hasn't 0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:38.280 come out yet is fake. And one of the specific 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:39.960 things that he's really mad about is part of this 0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:44.200 article is talking about how the wine at this met 0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:46.279 at this like lodge that he's staying at that's being 0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:49.160 paid for by by the fucking mortgage slipper. Guy has 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:52.680 a thousand dollars a bottle wine and Claire's time was 0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:54.440 just like, no, the wine is not was not a 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:56.719 thousand dollars a bottle. You can check the website. And 0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:59.200 then Republica was like, well, yeah, but that's because the lodge, 0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:04.960 like the quality of the lodge was downgraded after Alito 0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:08.239 had like one of the like just just just a 0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:11.200 truly incredible meltdown that he was just allowed to have 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:15.280 in the op ed section of the Wall Street Journal 0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:18.120 in like in response, not even in response like before 0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:21.600 this article came out. And the other thing that we 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:26.640 learned from this is that also apparently former Justice Antonin 0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:30.000 Scalia also was taking trips from this guy. So this 0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:33.799 is just like every conservative like justice in the last 0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:37.440 like twenty years has just been doing this. They've just 0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:41.160 been getting like flown around the world on fancy vacations 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.920 by their billionaire friends. Well, I don't actually know if 0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:46.839 I actually might merely be a millionaire. I'm not tired sure, 0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:47.880 but he may might be a billionaire. 0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:48.320 I don't know. 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:52.919 The other two definitely are wait millionaire a billionaire because 0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:54.440 those are two very difficult. 0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:57.279 Okay, I I let me let me, let me let 0:42:57.360 --> 0:42:59.360 me google. Is this is this guy a billionaire? 0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:00.560 Yeah? 0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:03.279 Arkley doesn't seem to be a billionaire. He seems to 0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:08.080 merely be Well, no, I've seen in other places that 0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:09.800 he is a billionaire. 0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:10.040 I don't know. 0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:13.239 There's some dispute actually the guy there's like dispute over 0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:17.000 what's his net worth? Oh, we don't know. It's unclear. 0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:19.400 What does there's there's dispute over. 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.719 It dispute disputed net worth? 0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:27.000 Yeah, unclear. The other two guys definitely billionaires. This guy 0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:28.840 may be a billionaire unclear. 0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:31.640 But like literally like all of. 0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:33.600 These literally all these estices I have just been like 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.919 taking just like and again, any other thing I forgot 0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:38.440 to mention that I should have mentioned. Is it like 0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:40.560 all of these people have had cases appear before the 0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:41.120 Streame court. 0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:42.800 Hmm, curiously. 0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:46.480 And then this is another amazing thing. This is the 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:48.840 thing that came up like really prominently when there was 0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:51.879 a case that you know, there was a case about 0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:53.959 the attempt to like overthrow the government in twenty twenty 0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:56.960 or in twenty one that like well in twenty twenty 0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:59.640 and twenty twenty one that Thomas like objectively should have 0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:01.920 re queued himself from because his wife tried to throw 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:04.040 the government and he just didn't. And this and this 0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:06.000 is a this is a really important thing, which is 0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:10.360 that Supreme Court justices it's like your fucking daughter like 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:12.560 could be one of the plaintiffs in a case and 0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:16.480 you don't have to recuse yourself. Is recruising yourself is 0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:20.759 completely voluntary, m which is not how this works for 0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:24.160 fucking anything else. Right, But again, the Supreme Court is 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:26.160 not like it's not actually a court. It's just like 0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:29.320 a fucking it's just this like weird dictatorial tribunal that 0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:34.520 is subject to like absolutely no authority whatsoever. And Okay, 0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:36.600 So it also turns out that there's like there's like 0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:40.800 yet another layer of fuckery with this, which is that 0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:45.640 universities u Supreme Court used Supreme Court justices to solicit 0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:48.640 donations by like so so they'll they'll have like a 0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:51.200 don invite a justice to like give a talk at 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:53.040 the university and they'll pay them a bunch of money 0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:56.680 and then they'll they'll have them like go to a 0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:59.759 dinner and then they'll advertise to all their donors like, hey, 0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:01.160 if you give us a bunch of money, you can 0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:03.320 go to this dinner with Supreme Court justice. And so 0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:05.759 a bunch of like like a bunch of people who 0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:07.799 have cases in front of the Supreme Court like use 0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:09.319 this to go get access to a bunch of Spreme 0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:14.520 Court justices. So it's great, this is this is really fun. 0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:19.279 Oh did I did I do the Venmo thing? No, 0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:21.759 I've got the Venmo thing. Okay, Okay, here's the Venmo thing. 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:25.719 So two days after I started, like like two days ago, 0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:27.560 like from the time of writing this will be like 0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:31.600 like this will actually be like almost exactly. Wow, It'll 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:34.160 be like almost a week from when when this comes out. 0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:34.719 Uh. 0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:37.520 There was another thing of this that came out, which 0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:39.920 is that a bunch of lawyers had just been sending 0:45:40.040 --> 0:45:45.800 money on Venmo to one of Claren's Thomas's aids. And 0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:52.040 these okay, like the the these these are like these 0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:54.520 are not just people who have like active cases. These 0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:58.440 are like like one of the guys who venmoed Thomas's 0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:01.120 aid is the guy who won the affirmative action case. 0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:03.919 And another one of the one. 0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:05.480 Of the other lawyers you've met him is the guy 0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:08.600 who I don't know if you remember this, like like 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:10.960 in like the last like term of the court, there 0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:14.880 was a case where the Supreme Court like fucked the 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:17.080 EPA's ability to regulate greenhouse gases. 0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:19.480 So that lawyer also paid. 0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:25.600 A bunch of money on Venmo Clarence Thomas's aid. So 0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:29.200 this is this is the level though of corruption that 0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:32.400 we're working at, right, which is like people sending public 0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:36.800 Venmo transactions to the aids of Supreme Court justices who's 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:39.000 about who are about to hear their cases. 0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:43.839 Uh, that's so good. 0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:46.960 Now there isn't this is. 0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:49.240 Happening that the right has built like just an extensive 0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:53.319 and incredibly excessive network to seize control of the judiciary. Uh, 0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:57.120 liberals have produced no such network because they're fucking hacks 0:46:57.160 --> 0:46:58.560 and this and this is not It's not just the 0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:01.239 sort of like there's only one like liberal billionaire, Like, no, 0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:04.080 there are liberal billionaires. The actual real problem with a 0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:06.360 liberal attempt to like take control of the judiciary is 0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:10.520 that like liberal like liberal lawyers are hacks instead of 0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:15.359 actually like trying to hold on to like judicial positions, right, 0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:16.839 and you know, to have to like move their way 0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:19.040 up through like circuit courts in order to like like 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:22.480 seize control of like large, like increasingly large portions of 0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:25.600 of the court system, which is all the Republicans did. Uh. 0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:30.400 The Democratic lawyers, they'll they'll get like like they they 0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:33.000 do the even lazier corruption, which is like they'll just 0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:34.680 they'll be a judge for like three years and then 0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:36.560 they'll just leave the private practice because they're all just 0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:39.400 fucking greedy shits. And you know the result of this 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.200 is that all these like fucking liberal lawyers, Uh, you know, 0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:44.160 they go into private practice and make a quick buck 0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:45.719 and they leave us to fucking burn to death in 0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:47.880 this smolder and keep while they spend their vacations in Bali. 0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:53.040 And you know, and and again, the only the only 0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:56.839 thing that like could conceivably slow down the Supreme Court 0:47:57.000 --> 0:47:59.719 is the fact that like technically speaking, so it's never 0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:04.000 actually gone through, it is possible for like Congress to 0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:08.520 impeach the Supreme Court justice. But the Democrats don't want 0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:12.880 to do that because because then the right, we'll be 0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:15.800 able to impeach all of the liberals justice. 0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:17.160 No, it's worse than that. 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:19.880 There the actual Biden's actual state of reason for why 0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:21.680 he didn't want to do it is because it would 0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:26.440 undermine the legitimacy of the court. And you know, and 0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:28.200 the result of this is that, like for all their 0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:31.320 they're fucking screaming about lawlessness and rising crime rates, the 0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:34.440 fucking biggest criminals in the entire goddamn country are just 0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:38.160 literally sitting in their stupid ass robes taking the biggest 0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:40.759 bribes in the history of the fucking republic. And the 0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:42.919 Democrats are just like, wow, if we do anything, it'll 0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:48.400 undermine the faith in our institutions. So I gad, fuck them. 0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:51.960 But also like, we don't fucking need these people like 0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:54.080 you could, Like you could, you can fit all of 0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:56.880 these people in one submarine and we could just be 0:48:56.960 --> 0:48:57.719 fucking dumb with it. 0:48:57.960 --> 0:48:59.359 And then if we get a whole bunch of news 0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:01.600 supreper court this is picked by Joe Biden, and they 0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:04.799 would save America. So that's why we need to vote 0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:07.160 for Joe Biden twenty twenty four. Save America. 0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:11.560 Yeah, yeah, this is than submarine. This is the submarine plot. 0:49:13.000 --> 0:49:14.280 It'll go great. 0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:18.520 We have to mandated submarine vacations for all Supreme courteous 0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:20.560 The submarine. 0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:22.680 Is now the only vehicle you're allowed to travel on. 0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:32.840 Justice taxpayer funded titanic explorations for all Supreme Court justices. 0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:35.800 We're already giving them two hundred and eighty five thousand 0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:38.680 dollars a year. It's not actually that it wouldn't We 0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:42.960 would save money if we just both salary. My position 0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:44.759 on this is clear. This is this is a this 0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:46.960 is a fiscally conservative position. 0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:53.680 Mostudget can be interpreted as fiscally conservative. It's cheaper to 0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:55.879 put all the people in houses than do what we're 0:49:55.920 --> 0:50:00.239 doing now. Anyway, Well, I'm glad we could learn about 0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:01.400 how the Supreme Court is good and. 0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.839 Just well, you know, the second thing you can learn 0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:07.480 is if if you some if you one day somehow 0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:11.680 are like a semi minor Chicago politician, you now know how. 0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:13.360 You now know how to launder money. 0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:16.080 Which which does sound exciting. 0:50:16.560 --> 0:50:19.200 Yeah, you never know, you never know. 0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:25.719 Well, thank you for this insightful look at at at 0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:30.160 at at nineteen seventies mystery villain Harlan Crowe, who has 0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:35.319 a mansion full of Hitler paintings. This feels like it's 0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:37.200 like the it's it's like the location of like a 0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:39.800 like of like of like an Agatha Christie like book 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:45.560 or something. Let's all investigate the murder of Harlan Crowe. Spoilers. 0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:48.400 It was Supreme Court. It was a Supreme Court justice. 0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:07.560 Hello, and welcome to It could happened here. I'm Andrew 0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:09.839 of Diiti Channel andrewism. 0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:14.759 And Hi, this is this is Garrison. I've not been 0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:16.080 on an Andrew episode in a while. 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.520 Yeah, spin a minute, Spin a minute, and it's been 0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:25.720 a meme at this point that Atra or New Zealand 0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:31.000 is forgotten, you know, from maps, both physical and mental. 0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:36.080 But those islands contain a rich history of activism that 0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:37.560 deserves this spotlight. 0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:37.880 You know. 0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:42.800 Much of what I've discovered has been sounds the academic 0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:47.120 efforts of Tayahu and I hope saying the name correctly, 0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:53.399 but their research found formed the foundation of my exploration 0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:57.879 of just some of the twentieth century history behind contemporary 0:51:58.360 --> 0:52:04.719 Maori struggles for auto and me on the islands. The 0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:08.840 story of Mari oppression begins not long after the arrival 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:12.200 of European settlers in the late eighteenth century. The Treaty 0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:15.080 of Waitangi, signed in eighteen forty between the British Crown 0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:18.040 and Mari chiefs, was meant to protect Maori rights and 0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:23.000 ensure a peaceful co existence. However, as a bilingual text, 0:52:24.000 --> 0:52:26.560 it kind of sucked at being bilingual because some of 0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:29.840 the words in the English treaty did not translate directly 0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:32.640 into the written Maori language of the time, and to 0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:34.719 the Mari text is not an exact translation of the 0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:37.680 English text, particuarly in relation to the meaning of having 0:52:38.080 --> 0:52:42.920 and seden sovereignty. In other words, the full implications of 0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:47.080 what they were signing was not fully understood. The concept 0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:50.800 of private land ownership as the British understood it clashed 0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:54.960 with Maori communal land practices, which led to a significant 0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:58.960 land loss for Maria communities. The New Zealand government implemented 0:52:59.080 --> 0:53:03.800 policies and laws that systematically favored European settlers, and throughout 0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:06.720 the latter half of the nineteenth century, Mari lost control 0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:09.239 of much of the land they had owned, sometimes through 0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:12.600 legitimate sale, but often by way of unfaired land deals, 0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:15.879 settlers occupying land that had not been sold, or through 0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:19.440 outright confiscation in the aftermath of the New Zealand Wars 0:53:20.200 --> 0:53:22.479 and New Zealand Wars, where they also as the Land 0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:25.239 Wars or Mari Wars, were a series of conflicts that 0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:28.680 took place in Auti Aura between the indigenous married people 0:53:28.800 --> 0:53:31.840 and the British government and its colonial forces. These wars 0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:35.240 banned from the early eighteen forties to the late eighteen seventies, 0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:38.600 and the underlying cause was that very stroubled for land 0:53:38.719 --> 0:53:42.880 and resources as European settlers were arriving in increasing numbers 0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:46.240 and more and more dispute ceteris and over land ownership 0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:50.719 and the interpretation of the Treaty of Watangi. The wars 0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:54.640 were fought on multiple fronts involving different married tribes and regions. 0:53:55.160 --> 0:53:59.040 Conflicts included the Northern War, the Tehrank, the Taranaki Wars, 0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:02.480 the Wakaito War, and the Tauranga Campaign, and these were 0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:06.040 also characterized by a combination of gorilla warfare, fortifications, and 0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:07.840 conventional military tactics. 0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:11.160 The results, as with pretty much. 0:54:11.080 --> 0:54:14.640 All wars, was the disruption of well in this case 0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:19.600 specifically traditional Mari social structures and economic systems, and the 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:25.480 results and hardship for those Mari communities and so as 0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:29.280 the nineteen and twentieth century progressed, Mari oppression also manifest 0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:32.520 in the suppression of cultural practices and languages by the government. 0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:36.040 As a government aimed to assimilate Mari into European culture, 0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:40.040 because of course, to them, European culture is considered superior. 0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:44.200 Married children were often forced into English speaking schools where 0:54:44.200 --> 0:54:47.279 their own language and customs were discouraged, and that also 0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:49.759 led to decline the use in transmission of the Mari 0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:54.000 language and the loss of cultural identity for many Maria individuals. 0:54:54.520 --> 0:54:58.600 This I think can be characterized as a cultural genocide. Moreover, 0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:03.200 discriminatory pract justices were prevalent in various areas and putting 0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:07.600 an employment, in housing, and in political representation, married people 0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:12.799 faced significant barriers and discrimination when seeking employment or housing opportunities. 0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:17.320 They were also underrepresented in political institutions, which limits to 0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:19.560 their ability to advocate for the rights and influence decision 0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:24.960 making processes. Now, the seeds of contemporary married activism were 0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:29.120 sowing in the sixties and seventies. Struggles were taking place 0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:33.480 basically from the point of first contact, but Mari activism 0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:34.279 as we understand it. 0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:39.279 Today really launched with a new fervor. 0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:42.040 In the sixties and seventies. The late sixties and early 0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:46.719 seventies really marked a turbulent period globally because there was 0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:50.560 an upsurgent class conflicts and social activism. You know, they 0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:53.879 are the independence movements and decolonization movements happening all over 0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:56.520 the world. It's a time when people all over were 0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:59.800 taking a stand against injustice and fighting for their rights. 0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:03.160 And this wave of political and social movements. 0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:06.160 As soon as the New Left had a profound impact 0:56:06.560 --> 0:56:10.320 on the Islands as well in New Zealand as in elsewhere, 0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:15.000 student activism was really taken shape across the world. Students 0:56:15.040 --> 0:56:18.160 who were protesting against the Vietnam War in the US, 0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:21.239 they were advocating for black liberation, and then they were 0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:24.200 all social movements gave momentum, like the women's liberation movement, 0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:27.520 the anti racism movement, the environmentalism movements, and the game 0:56:27.600 --> 0:56:30.840 that's been rights movements. They were all sparking around the 0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:34.040 same time. So the New Left and autai rower was 0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:37.600 shaped by these international developments. The late nineteen sixties when 0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:40.880 it's a surge in student activism and the emergencyverior social 0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:45.880 movements again environmentalism, women's liberation, anti racism, et cetera. And 0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:49.440 so Mari protest groups were really picking up on those movements, 0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:53.000 and those movements would shape the mindsets and the actions 0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:56.600 of Mari protest groups during that period. They were taking 0:56:56.719 --> 0:57:02.960 the analysis and the understanding of racism and inequalities faced 0:57:03.000 --> 0:57:05.640 by MARI in a broader context, and so they will 0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:08.360 aligning themselves with class struggle as well and were to 0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:11.279 progressify due to the left at large. So this point 0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:15.920 in time, the Maori struggle, it was characterized as largely leftist. 0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:19.520 That is something that will change later on as the 0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:25.760 movements become more heterogeneous, but for now it's been mostly leftist. 0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:28.439 Even though there were some part protest groups that were 0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:33.440 less left oriented and more just you know, national liberation 0:57:33.600 --> 0:57:36.800 and focused, they still saw themselves as part of. 0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:38.280 This broader left movement. 0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:43.800 Okay, they were still actively working to incorporate these radical 0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:48.760 intellectual traditions, particularly Marxism and feminism, into the Maori struggle. 0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:52.240 In the late nineteen sixties, there was this very strong 0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:58.120 collaboration taking place between Pakeha or European New Zealanders and 0:57:58.360 --> 0:58:03.360 Pakeha antiraist groups and the emergent Maori protest movements. One 0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:06.800 significant event that really brought them together was the exclusion 0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:10.040 of Mari rugby players from the nineteen sixty All Black 0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:13.400 Tour of South Africa by the New Zealand Rugby Football Association, 0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:17.160 and that decision, of course sparked widespread opposition because at 0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:21.040 the time South Africa was very much involved in the 0:58:21.080 --> 0:58:25.520 part TI and this decision to exclude Mari rugby players 0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:29.680 from the team and from that particular tour led to 0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:33.520 many protests under this banner of no Maori, No Tour, 0:58:33.920 --> 0:58:35.760 which focused on only in the exclusion of the Maori, 0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:38.800 but also on the morality of engagion with the country 0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:42.880 practicing apartheid. More collaboration would take place in the form 0:58:43.080 --> 0:58:47.760 of the formation of the Halt All Racist Tours Group 0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:50.240 also its Heart in nineteen sixty nine, which is an 0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:53.280 umbrella organization that united a couple different voices and groups, 0:58:53.360 --> 0:58:56.760 both Maori and Pakeha in the opposition to reduce their 0:58:56.760 --> 0:59:02.560 discriminatory sports tours and they ARESO involved organizations like ker 0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:04.920 which included young Mari political. 0:59:04.720 --> 0:59:07.000 Activists among its members, alongside. 0:59:06.560 --> 0:59:10.920 Pakeha political activists in organizing these panel discussions to address 0:59:10.920 --> 0:59:13.040 the position of Mari in New Zealand society. 0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:16.760 And then this is going on. This also the growth 0:59:16.920 --> 0:59:19.160 in the influence of individuals like. 0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:25.040 Gahria te Awaikotuku and John Abatiri began shedding more and 0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:28.160 more light and the barriers that prevented married women specifically 0:59:28.560 --> 0:59:33.200 from fully participated and contributed to Maori society. They were 0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:36.760 out here criticizing the patriarchal nature to show Mari leadership, 0:59:37.000 --> 0:59:40.800 an adivacation for the speaking rights of Mari women tran 0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:45.560 inspiration from the broader, non Mari specific women's liberation movement 0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:46.200 as well. 0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:50.040 So these were like other with these other movements that 0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:52.800 were happening in New Zealand that were kind of working 0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:54.960 together or this just like part of like a broader 0:59:55.040 --> 0:59:56.520 trend of these movements in the sixties. 0:59:58.080 --> 1:00:01.000 Yes, so they were starting to collaborate. At this point 1:00:01.040 --> 1:00:07.760 in time, both Pakeha and Mari poltical organizations were being 1:00:07.960 --> 1:00:12.840 to form connections and spark discussions other Pakia organizations obviously 1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:16.360 being of the leftist variety, and the Maori organizations being 1:00:17.280 --> 1:00:21.280 primarily leftist, apparently aligned themselves with the leftists causes and 1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:24.760 poisical ideologies. 1:00:25.680 --> 1:00:28.640 But from like a more like indigenous perspective and standpoint 1:00:28.680 --> 1:00:31.160 and like goals, Yeah, yeah. 1:00:31.160 --> 1:00:33.240 Definactly all right, got it. 1:00:33.640 --> 1:00:36.480 One particular organization, which was forming in the mid nineteen 1:00:36.560 --> 1:00:41.280 seventies was created by Maori women within the Mario activist 1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:46.160 organization Tamatoa, who had embraced a feminist perspective to analyze 1:00:46.200 --> 1:00:50.920 the oppression faced by Mario and particularly and this awareness 1:00:51.040 --> 1:00:54.280 was fueled by their experiences of frustration and anger with 1:00:54.400 --> 1:00:58.920 the Mari land rights movement, because these women are here 1:00:59.000 --> 1:01:02.600 and they're struggling or Mari rights as a whole, but 1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:08.120 then also they're facing issues as women, both in the 1:01:08.240 --> 1:01:11.800 organization and in broader society. So they're fighting to presume 1:01:11.920 --> 1:01:15.040 the politics and culture and language of Mari society while 1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:18.200 also seeking liberation from the oppression that they would face 1:01:18.360 --> 1:01:21.400 in that Maria society. So it's a struggle for both 1:01:21.440 --> 1:01:26.560 preservation and also reformation of Maori society, or rather liberation, 1:01:26.800 --> 1:01:32.000 preservation and reformation. There was also an increase in strike 1:01:32.120 --> 1:01:36.320 activity and general class struggle happening during the late nineteen sixties, 1:01:36.600 --> 1:01:39.000 which had a significant impact in the political education of 1:01:39.080 --> 1:01:42.040 many Mari workers who were fighting for better wages and 1:01:42.120 --> 1:01:46.240 improved working conditions. Trade unions were playing a crucial role 1:01:46.600 --> 1:01:50.360 in providing organizational base for MARI protest groups, as demonstrated 1:01:50.360 --> 1:01:53.960 by the emergence of groups like Tehokioi and the Mari 1:01:54.120 --> 1:01:59.560 Organization on Human Rights or MWHR, both located in Wellington 1:01:59.640 --> 1:02:03.960 and both strongly connected to trade unions. The secretary in 1:02:04.080 --> 1:02:09.280 fact of the MWHR, Tamapuata, was actively involved in the 1:02:09.360 --> 1:02:13.680 Wellington Drivers Union and the New Zealand Communist Party. These 1:02:13.760 --> 1:02:18.600 organizations were advocating for an alliance between MARI and progressive elopments. 1:02:18.680 --> 1:02:21.680 In the working class I view, the fundamental contradiction society 1:02:21.760 --> 1:02:25.600 is being between labor and capital, between workers and bosses 1:02:25.760 --> 1:02:29.080 or landowners, and racism was seen as a consequence of 1:02:29.240 --> 1:02:32.720 class inequality, and the majority of Maori being working class 1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:34.480 were considered an impressed segment. 1:02:34.280 --> 1:02:35.240 Of the working class. 1:02:36.320 --> 1:02:40.600 Both te Pokeioi and m WHR promoted the idea of 1:02:40.680 --> 1:02:44.680 a unified struggle across racial lines, focusing one class B 1:02:44.840 --> 1:02:48.360 strategies as the most effective means of addressing racism and 1:02:48.480 --> 1:02:51.520 reducing MARI inequality. If you pick an up hints of 1:02:51.680 --> 1:02:53.640 class reductionism. 1:02:53.240 --> 1:02:55.120 YEP I was I was actually gonna mention that. 1:02:55.280 --> 1:02:55.440 Yeah. 1:02:56.720 --> 1:03:00.480 Yeah, there are some hints of that in this particular approach, 1:03:01.120 --> 1:03:04.000 and you'll see the consequences of that as we progress 1:03:04.040 --> 1:03:05.320 a bit further through the history. 1:03:06.000 --> 1:03:08.320 Like, could you, I mean, could you briefly explain class 1:03:08.320 --> 1:03:11.880 reductionism in case someone is like listening and is unaware 1:03:11.880 --> 1:03:12.440 of that concept. 1:03:14.080 --> 1:03:16.240 Sure. So, class reductionism is basically the. 1:03:17.920 --> 1:03:22.840 Idea that the exportation of label and the exportation of 1:03:23.400 --> 1:03:27.000 the working class by the capitalist class is the fundamental, 1:03:28.640 --> 1:03:32.520 you know, form of oppression within society, and it trumps 1:03:32.560 --> 1:03:34.760 all other social divisions, all of the phones of oppressions 1:03:34.760 --> 1:03:36.400 such as racism or sexism. 1:03:37.320 --> 1:03:40.520 Yeah. Like when you mentioned like they're viewing like racism 1:03:40.640 --> 1:03:43.840 as like a consequence of capitalism, right, That puts racism 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:48.240 like after capitalism. But racism has existed way before capitalism 1:03:48.280 --> 1:03:50.200 and is manyway one of is it is one of 1:03:50.200 --> 1:03:54.240 the main drivers of capitalism. It's not merely a consequence. 1:03:54.280 --> 1:03:55.960 It's actually like a motivating factor. 1:03:56.920 --> 1:04:01.160 Yeah, and particularly their position that focusing on class based 1:04:01.160 --> 1:04:04.240 strategies will be the most effective means of addressing racism. Yeah, 1:04:04.960 --> 1:04:07.600 what I can see from a particular angle considering that 1:04:07.680 --> 1:04:09.800 the majority of Mari will work in class at the time, 1:04:10.360 --> 1:04:13.360 saying that the best way to alleviate their condition were 1:04:13.400 --> 1:04:16.760 to focus on things we do to impact their class position. 1:04:17.680 --> 1:04:19.280 That may be true, but then at the same time 1:04:19.320 --> 1:04:23.280 you also to consider that the racism embedded within you see, 1:04:23.280 --> 1:04:25.200 the society, you're not going to go away just as 1:04:25.240 --> 1:04:29.040 a result of the end to that class based depression. 1:04:29.640 --> 1:04:32.760 To be fair to the MWHR, they will also playing 1:04:32.800 --> 1:04:36.880 an active role in reaison awareness about racism specifically you know, 1:04:37.040 --> 1:04:41.400 in housing, in sports and employment, and in violation generally 1:04:41.480 --> 1:04:45.840 of marrit political rights. They also had a very strong 1:04:45.920 --> 1:04:49.800 stance on issues related to the Treaty of Waitangi, you know, 1:04:49.880 --> 1:04:52.760 the alienation of Mari from the land and the depletion 1:04:53.000 --> 1:04:57.600 of resources and the inability of Maori to access those resources. 1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:05.120 Their stance, interestingly enough, was really on sort of reclaiming 1:05:05.400 --> 1:05:09.520 the Treaty of Waitangi as a potential foundation for harmonious 1:05:09.560 --> 1:05:14.800 and bicultural country with the conditions that past injustices were 1:05:15.000 --> 1:05:20.840 addressed and rectified. However, like I alluded to earlier, there 1:05:20.880 --> 1:05:26.320 would be a shift as the movements would progress. The 1:05:26.440 --> 1:05:31.000 inspirational monum behind the te ho Kioi and MHR had 1:05:31.000 --> 1:05:34.760 begun to weigne, particularly during the lea to mid nineteen seventies, 1:05:35.520 --> 1:05:39.400 and eventually in nineteen seventy five, the m WHR would 1:05:39.480 --> 1:05:43.360 merge with Matekite as part of the Land Rights movement, 1:05:43.480 --> 1:05:46.479 which marked the end of their separate existence and also 1:05:46.640 --> 1:05:51.080 led to the rise of Brown Power. So if brown 1:05:51.160 --> 1:05:53.680 power sounds like black power, that's because it's copy and 1:05:53.720 --> 1:05:57.280 black power. Similar to the ideologies of black power advocated 1:05:57.360 --> 1:06:01.280 by folks like Kwamiture and Charles B. Hammat, Brown power 1:06:01.400 --> 1:06:04.560 centered on the complete rejection of the racist institutions and 1:06:04.720 --> 1:06:07.680 values of New Zealand society, and the belief that the 1:06:07.720 --> 1:06:13.120 group solidarity was essential effective collective action and negotiation. The 1:06:13.240 --> 1:06:16.600 proponents of brown power urged Maori people to unite to 1:06:16.720 --> 1:06:19.080 recognize their shared history and the faster sent of. 1:06:19.120 --> 1:06:20.520 Solidarity and community. 1:06:21.760 --> 1:06:25.720 Significant emphasis was placed on the goal of Marie's self determination, 1:06:26.120 --> 1:06:28.160 which of all, the ability for Maria to define their 1:06:28.240 --> 1:06:32.720 own objectives and to establish their own distinct organizations and institutions. 1:06:33.080 --> 1:06:35.880 So this is like at this point, brown power, much 1:06:36.000 --> 1:06:42.080 like black power, is the opposite of just assimilation or 1:06:42.920 --> 1:06:49.680 adjustment or cohabitation with existing structures. It is a movement 1:06:49.720 --> 1:06:54.120 that desired complete autonomy from those systems, from those structures, 1:06:54.440 --> 1:06:57.800 an assertion of the freedom of married people to exist 1:06:58.520 --> 1:07:01.560 and not have their existence in pots to port. The 1:07:01.720 --> 1:07:06.360 organization Tamatoa initially drew inspiration from the revolutionary faction of 1:07:06.400 --> 1:07:09.400 the Black pap movement in the US. However, as the 1:07:09.480 --> 1:07:12.840 group evolved, different interests and objectives had emerged, which led 1:07:12.880 --> 1:07:16.160 to a division within the movement. On the one side, 1:07:16.160 --> 1:07:20.280 they were the conservative, university educated members such as Sid 1:07:20.400 --> 1:07:25.000 and Hannah Jackson, Peter Reikis, and Donabtiri. And on the 1:07:25.080 --> 1:07:27.959 other side they were the more militant proponents of black 1:07:28.080 --> 1:07:35.840 or brown power like John Ohio, Paul Kottara and Tednia. Eventually, unfortunately, 1:07:36.360 --> 1:07:42.080 the more conservative members of Tamatoa really took center stage 1:07:42.640 --> 1:07:46.760 in the movement. Their strategies diverged from the militants in 1:07:46.840 --> 1:07:50.640 that they sort changed through alliance with more liberal elements 1:07:50.680 --> 1:07:56.640 within the Ruins. They believed that by implementing appropriate legal measures, 1:07:57.280 --> 1:08:01.360 MARI could achieve prosperity. They were really advocating for like 1:08:02.080 --> 1:08:06.560 wealtha and self help programs for our development, and in fact, 1:08:07.080 --> 1:08:10.000 there was even some belief among them that New Zealand 1:08:10.080 --> 1:08:14.960 capitalism coupled with the parliamentary political system could be rid 1:08:15.000 --> 1:08:17.960 of racism, that you could extract racism from capitalism and 1:08:18.000 --> 1:08:19.400 then everything would be hunky doory. 1:08:19.840 --> 1:08:23.240 Interesting. Yeah, which is like this perspective, which is like 1:08:23.280 --> 1:08:26.960 the opposite of like the class productionism that we mentioned previously. 1:08:27.720 --> 1:08:30.719 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I mean this perspective is exactly 1:08:32.360 --> 1:08:34.560 the kind of thing that you see manifest again and 1:08:34.640 --> 1:08:41.840 again within political movements so across the world. Really the 1:08:42.320 --> 1:08:50.200 interests of middle class, university educated individuals who are more 1:08:50.280 --> 1:08:54.000 focused on their own individual advancement within the existing system 1:08:54.680 --> 1:08:58.439 than an actual thorough critique of the structure and history 1:08:58.479 --> 1:08:59.120 of that system. 1:09:00.360 --> 1:09:04.240 And so when you have when you're fueled by those. 1:09:04.160 --> 1:09:07.599 Individual interests and you're focused on how you can advance 1:09:07.600 --> 1:09:10.519 through that system in business or in politics, whatever the 1:09:10.600 --> 1:09:13.040 case may be, it's very easy to just you know, 1:09:13.520 --> 1:09:15.479 be like, oh, well, how not you guys are talking 1:09:15.479 --> 1:09:17.280 about And I'm sure, but once we get the racism 1:09:17.320 --> 1:09:20.639 out of the way, you know, we can all succeed, 1:09:20.760 --> 1:09:21.240 wink wink. 1:09:23.240 --> 1:09:26.519 But of course that is a rather my opic approach. 1:09:29.680 --> 1:09:33.680 And so as a result of the centrality of those individuals, 1:09:33.760 --> 1:09:37.280 and that particular perspective in the movement, the meaning of 1:09:37.360 --> 1:09:39.880 Brown power as a slogan kind of got watered down. 1:09:39.960 --> 1:09:45.000 It became more ambiguous and potentially associated with either mari 1:09:45.160 --> 1:09:49.080 capitalism or evolutionary activity. Arguably, the same thing could be 1:09:49.160 --> 1:09:52.439 said for Black power. A lot of people, a lot 1:09:52.439 --> 1:09:54.280 of advocates of black power ended up going in the 1:09:54.320 --> 1:10:01.960 direction of black capitalism, talented tenth black business, black wealth, 1:10:02.000 --> 1:10:06.439 that kind of thing. And well, we've seen consequences to that. 1:10:06.520 --> 1:10:09.519 I mean, they are more black billionaires and millionaires than 1:10:09.520 --> 1:10:12.160 they ever have been in human history. But that doesn't 1:10:12.160 --> 1:10:19.400 mean racism has been dealt with. Putting aside the capitalist 1:10:19.439 --> 1:10:24.240 oriented advocates of Brown Powell on the revolutionary side, a 1:10:24.320 --> 1:10:27.479 new group would emerged to challenge the system. And this 1:10:27.680 --> 1:10:29.840 group and you're going to you know, going to pick 1:10:29.880 --> 1:10:31.360 up on a little bit of a theme here in 1:10:31.520 --> 1:10:36.320 terms of inspiration. This group was called the Polynesian Panthers. 1:10:38.000 --> 1:10:42.120 Interesting establishing. Yeah, they were established in June of nineteen 1:10:42.200 --> 1:10:44.960 seventy one, and they had a membership primarily composed of 1:10:45.080 --> 1:10:48.719 Pacific Islanders such as simmer Ones, Tongueuns, and New Ones, 1:10:49.600 --> 1:10:54.080 and they drew obviously explicitly inspiration from the Black Panther 1:10:54.200 --> 1:10:55.559 Party in the United States. 1:10:56.560 --> 1:10:59.559 Just a heads up in Maori, well in New Zealand, 1:11:01.439 --> 1:11:02.080 the Mari. 1:11:02.200 --> 1:11:06.000 And the Paqua, the Pakea. The Europeans are the two 1:11:06.080 --> 1:11:09.200 primary groups right, but in New Zealand they are also 1:11:09.360 --> 1:11:17.840 minorities of other Pacific islanders Samoans and Tonguuns and New 1:11:17.960 --> 1:11:22.120 Ones and people from the other smaller islands within Polynesia, 1:11:22.240 --> 1:11:25.720 within the you know area, from those various islands in 1:11:25.800 --> 1:11:29.240 Oceania and the Pacific Ocean, and. 1:11:30.720 --> 1:11:31.519 A lot of them. 1:11:33.240 --> 1:11:38.439 Had arrived as immigrants during the nineteen sixties economic boom 1:11:38.520 --> 1:11:41.840 that had taken place in New Zealand. The founders of 1:11:42.000 --> 1:11:45.559 the Polynesian Panther Party were actually high school students. 1:11:46.479 --> 1:11:48.639 They weren't universittudents, they weren't adults. 1:11:48.680 --> 1:11:54.640 They were mostly from working class first generation families's and 1:11:54.720 --> 1:11:57.679 their parents were actually encouraged by the New Zealand government 1:11:57.960 --> 1:12:01.840 to migrate as cheap labor during that economic boom. But 1:12:01.960 --> 1:12:05.400 of course, as these things go again once even like 1:12:05.600 --> 1:12:09.960 looking at this history and for any significant length of time, 1:12:10.360 --> 1:12:13.280 you see certain patterns emerge. So governments are going to 1:12:13.320 --> 1:12:15.920 invite you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, migrants come, We'll take 1:12:15.920 --> 1:12:18.400 advantage of your label. And then the second last of 1:12:18.439 --> 1:12:22.519 down to migrants are to blame for everything. So as 1:12:22.560 --> 1:12:25.320 the production boom was subsiding in the mid nineteen seventies 1:12:25.680 --> 1:12:30.519 and living conditions were deteriorating, racism and police harassment against 1:12:30.560 --> 1:12:34.679 Pacific Islanders became even more prevalent. And by the Pacific 1:12:34.760 --> 1:12:38.800 Islanders does technically refer to Mari as well, and the 1:12:38.880 --> 1:12:42.599 Polynesian Panther party position is that Mari our Pacific Islanders 1:12:42.640 --> 1:12:45.719 are into the part of the Polynesian Panthers, but speaking 1:12:45.720 --> 1:12:50.720 specifically about the migrant Pacific Islanders and they experiencing they're 1:12:50.760 --> 1:12:52.800 doing three, you know, just like the Maori. They're dealing 1:12:52.840 --> 1:12:57.080 with low wages and poor living conditions and the government, 1:12:57.320 --> 1:12:59.719 you know, being migrants, they're an even more precurious position 1:13:00.160 --> 1:13:04.240 because government had taken a more aggressive stance towards over stayers, 1:13:04.360 --> 1:13:07.000 people who overstayed on their work visas, which put these 1:13:07.080 --> 1:13:10.559 first generation New Zealanders at risk of deportation to countries 1:13:10.600 --> 1:13:13.840 that they had never visited, had never known, you know, 1:13:14.000 --> 1:13:17.320 being forced into these precarious circumstances. A lot of young 1:13:17.360 --> 1:13:20.439 Pacific Islanders were living in unsafe neighborhoods and a lot 1:13:20.439 --> 1:13:23.400 of them felt compelled to join gangs or to stay 1:13:23.479 --> 1:13:26.599 hidden at home for survival, and so the Polynation Panthers 1:13:26.680 --> 1:13:29.880 really emerged as an alternative option, seeking to provide a 1:13:29.960 --> 1:13:33.840 more positive path for young people in Pacific Islander communities. 1:13:35.160 --> 1:13:39.120 The Polynesian Panthers were particularly influenced by huy Newton's policy 1:13:39.280 --> 1:13:43.840 of Black Unity, and also echoed his distinction between revolutionary 1:13:43.960 --> 1:13:48.240 and cultural nationalism when debating the conservative members of Nagatamatoo. 1:13:49.120 --> 1:13:52.720 The Panthers identified their root cause of Pacific calendar oppression 1:13:53.200 --> 1:13:57.360 within the exploitative social relations of the capitalist system, and 1:13:57.479 --> 1:14:01.519 so they advocated for a liberation strategy that involved completely 1:14:01.680 --> 1:14:04.759 overthrowing the capitalist system and the social relations and enabled 1:14:04.760 --> 1:14:07.640 its existence. And so in practice this meant that the 1:14:07.680 --> 1:14:13.000 Panthers expressed solidarity with other liberation struggles, oppressed groups and activists, 1:14:13.320 --> 1:14:16.000 and ultimately aimed for a global revolution. 1:14:16.720 --> 1:14:17.200 They worked to. 1:14:17.200 --> 1:14:20.040 Empower the Pomation community and improve their quality of life. 1:14:20.360 --> 1:14:23.120 They organized strikes and factories with the poor working conditions. 1:14:23.360 --> 1:14:26.920 They protested outside substandard housing through the Tenant's Aid Brigade, 1:14:27.640 --> 1:14:31.840 They established homework centers to help address educational struggles, and 1:14:31.920 --> 1:14:34.760 they focused on the reason awareness of right and entitlements 1:14:35.040 --> 1:14:38.840 among Pacific Island of families who were often unaware of. 1:14:38.880 --> 1:14:40.000 Their legal protections. 1:14:41.760 --> 1:14:43.519 The fact a lot of the Panthers focus was on 1:14:43.600 --> 1:14:47.320 assistant individuals who were caught up in legal issues. They 1:14:47.439 --> 1:14:51.040 distributed pamphlets that informed people of their rights, they provided 1:14:51.120 --> 1:14:55.000 legal aid for court representation, and they organized buses for 1:14:55.120 --> 1:14:58.519 families to visit their loved ones in prison. Fund the 1:14:58.560 --> 1:15:01.639 Panthers support and advocacy in them the gratitude of prisoners, 1:15:02.040 --> 1:15:04.760 who often contributed a portion of their mega earnings to 1:15:04.840 --> 1:15:08.280 the movement. As they shed light on the daily struggles 1:15:08.320 --> 1:15:12.280 faced by Maori and also other Pacific Islanders, ranging from 1:15:12.400 --> 1:15:17.680 land claims, discrimination, police violence. The Panthers actively worked to 1:15:17.840 --> 1:15:21.240 unite Maori and Pacific Islanders in a pan ethnic coalition, 1:15:22.000 --> 1:15:24.960 which contrasted with the viewpoint in Nigard Tamato because they 1:15:25.000 --> 1:15:28.960 were prioritizing Mari unity above everything else. It almost reminds 1:15:29.040 --> 1:15:36.240 me of the the way that sometimes in the US 1:15:36.360 --> 1:15:41.160 context there were some organizations, or rather there are some 1:15:41.880 --> 1:15:45.840 to me SI of organizations that are attempting now in 1:15:45.920 --> 1:15:51.080 the present day, to emphasize African American unity above and 1:15:51.200 --> 1:15:54.519 before any other form of Pan Afghanism, more Black unity, 1:15:55.320 --> 1:15:59.280 so an insiduous seeds, to attempt to distance African Americans 1:15:59.320 --> 1:16:02.719 from the rest of the BLASBA and to ferment divisions 1:16:02.720 --> 1:16:10.479 between African Americans and African immigrants or Caribbean immigrants. So 1:16:10.640 --> 1:16:14.600 again the tactics the strategy is the it feels like 1:16:14.640 --> 1:16:19.960 a canon event at this point that there will always 1:16:20.040 --> 1:16:24.120 be These individuals or groups were trying to find ways 1:16:24.240 --> 1:16:29.360 to chop up and to divide troops that should be 1:16:29.640 --> 1:16:32.280 united and have a lot to gain from being united 1:16:32.320 --> 1:16:38.840 in a common struggle. The Panthers, along with any other 1:16:38.880 --> 1:16:42.879 Pacific Island youth, were actively working to support MARI causes, 1:16:43.320 --> 1:16:47.200 including the nineteen seventy five Landmarch and the Bastion Point occupation. 1:16:48.120 --> 1:16:51.160 They became one more depth at political lobbying, which became 1:16:51.200 --> 1:16:53.920 apparent during the Dawn Rates in nineteen seventies and the 1:16:54.000 --> 1:16:57.479 Spring Bok Tour of nineteen eighty one. T Ness was 1:16:57.720 --> 1:17:00.439 jailed for his actions during the tour but essentially released 1:17:00.479 --> 1:17:05.599 out charge and will Lahya, along with jne Harawira and others. 1:17:06.120 --> 1:17:09.000 One trial for two years, only getting off the charge 1:17:09.120 --> 1:17:13.320 after and you know they'll come your parents here. Bishop 1:17:13.479 --> 1:17:17.920 Desmond tou Tou, well known South African activist, flew in 1:17:18.040 --> 1:17:23.720 to be a character witness for their trial, and I 1:17:23.760 --> 1:17:25.120 think I'm going to put a pin on it. There 1:17:26.880 --> 1:17:31.120 covered the seeds of contemporary Maria activism, the trade union movement, 1:17:31.280 --> 1:17:35.280 Brown Power, and the Polynesian Panthers. And in the next 1:17:35.320 --> 1:17:38.000 episode we'll talk more about the development of the land 1:17:38.080 --> 1:17:46.560 rights movement and the weaknesses of the Mari struggle in 1:17:46.760 --> 1:17:50.960 the post nineteen eighties context. That's the penal for me. 1:17:51.560 --> 1:17:55.320 I'm Andrew could follow me a youtubet at andrew'sm and 1:17:55.479 --> 1:17:59.600 supporting patron of commns slash Saint Drew. This has been it, 1:18:16.040 --> 1:18:18.400 hey everyone, and welcome back to it could happen here. 1:18:19.320 --> 1:18:21.080 In my last part, I spoke a bit about the 1:18:21.760 --> 1:18:23.360 historical context of. 1:18:23.960 --> 1:18:27.040 The Mari struggle New Zealand or aut AA. 1:18:28.360 --> 1:18:33.120 Spoke about these seeds of contemporary Mari activism, the involvement 1:18:33.240 --> 1:18:37.360 of Mari in the trade union movements and the development 1:18:37.479 --> 1:18:41.200 of Mari women's movements, as well as the development of 1:18:41.360 --> 1:18:46.120 the Brown Power slogan and the split between the movements 1:18:46.360 --> 1:18:51.559 more radical and more conservative coalitions, with the former eventually 1:18:51.640 --> 1:18:55.439 going on to as inspired by the Black Panther parts 1:18:55.479 --> 1:19:00.519 in the US, formed the Polynesian Panthers. For those on 1:19:00.640 --> 1:19:03.719 where this as it could happen here, I am Andrew 1:19:03.840 --> 1:19:06.800 of the channel Andrism, and I'm joined. 1:19:06.479 --> 1:19:12.640 By Garrison is also on this zoom call as we discuss. 1:19:12.520 --> 1:19:16.160 The Maori land rights movement now. 1:19:16.320 --> 1:19:19.639 The struggle against Mario oppression racism led to a division 1:19:19.640 --> 1:19:23.479 within the movement regarding whether the existing political structures could 1:19:23.520 --> 1:19:26.519 bring about a real change or for complete overthrow of 1:19:26.560 --> 1:19:30.439 the system was necessary. The failure to address land alienation 1:19:30.680 --> 1:19:34.840 through official channels created a sense of pessimism about the 1:19:34.920 --> 1:19:39.160 government's commitments to Mari rights. The Mari land rights movement 1:19:39.200 --> 1:19:42.280 emerged from nineteen seventy five to nineteen seventy eight, bringing 1:19:42.280 --> 1:19:45.840 together diverse range of activists the sort of alliances with 1:19:45.960 --> 1:19:49.559 workers both Mari and Paquale, viewing them as natural allies 1:19:49.600 --> 1:19:52.559 in the fight against oppression. The common enemy was seen 1:19:52.640 --> 1:19:58.000 as the racist and capitalist state. The occupation of Bastion 1:19:58.280 --> 1:20:03.040 Point and subsequent viction from Bastian Point intensified the direct 1:20:03.200 --> 1:20:06.439 conflict that the movements were happened with the state. It 1:20:06.600 --> 1:20:10.920 garnered their public support and also the involvement from the 1:20:11.160 --> 1:20:16.160 Paquea left. The Auckland Trades Council placed a quote unquote 1:20:16.280 --> 1:20:19.320 green band on the area which went refusing to allow 1:20:19.400 --> 1:20:23.120 work to commence on the planned subdivision, and a north 1:20:23.200 --> 1:20:28.560 shore contractor even donated six trucks, including two Bitjumin tankers 1:20:29.040 --> 1:20:32.639 to help with a planned blockade. The occupation at Bassian 1:20:32.680 --> 1:20:36.080 Point was followed by arrests at the Ragland golf Course, 1:20:36.800 --> 1:20:42.920 and many of those arrested were representatives of various activist groups. 1:20:44.439 --> 1:20:47.840 The land rights movement and the struggle against Racism radicalized 1:20:48.040 --> 1:20:51.040 a group of Mari women who were already part of 1:20:51.160 --> 1:20:56.599 Nagatamatoa to go on to form the Capital B Capital 1:20:56.840 --> 1:21:02.200 W Capital Black Women's Movement. In the early nineteen eighties, 1:21:02.240 --> 1:21:05.640 the Waitangi Action Committee married People's Liberation Movement to our 1:21:05.680 --> 1:21:09.920 Ta and the Black Women's Movement emerged as prominent Mari 1:21:10.000 --> 1:21:14.240 political activist groups, primarily based in Auckland, New Zealand. They 1:21:14.280 --> 1:21:18.200 continued the protest tradition of Nagata Matoa with annual protests 1:21:18.240 --> 1:21:22.720 to the Watangi Day celebrations, and they even came up 1:21:22.720 --> 1:21:25.200 with the idea to call it the Cheaty of White 1:21:25.240 --> 1:21:28.320 Tangi instead of the Treaty of White Tanki very clearfl 1:21:28.840 --> 1:21:32.280 and they also called for a boycott of the celebrations. 1:21:33.479 --> 1:21:37.439 Not initially, Marie activists had collaborated with certain Pakeha anti 1:21:37.560 --> 1:21:42.719 racist groups, but that association was weakened after divisions emerged 1:21:42.800 --> 1:21:46.240 during the anti Springbok tour protests in nineteen eighty one, which, 1:21:46.320 --> 1:21:48.680 as you may remember from the previous episode, was a 1:21:48.760 --> 1:21:52.200 protest against the national rugby team's participation in a tour 1:21:52.320 --> 1:21:57.719 that included apartheid South Africa. The perception was that Alisa 1:21:57.760 --> 1:22:00.880 mang Luri that many Pakeha had failed to recognize the 1:22:00.960 --> 1:22:05.040 connection between aparthide in South Africa and colonialism and racism 1:22:05.120 --> 1:22:07.559 in New Zealand, and so the bonds between those two 1:22:07.600 --> 1:22:11.000 movements would beginning to weaken. Add On top of that 1:22:11.479 --> 1:22:14.200 a prolonged economic crisis that was taking place in New 1:22:14.280 --> 1:22:17.559 Zealand during the nineteen seventies nineteen eighties as a result 1:22:17.600 --> 1:22:21.559 of course of the inherent tendencies of capitalism. The government 1:22:21.600 --> 1:22:24.680 had to grapple with the crisis of political legitimacy and 1:22:24.800 --> 1:22:28.800 of economic management, and that of course fueled further. 1:22:30.040 --> 1:22:32.880 Ethnic and gender equalities, further social unrest. 1:22:32.680 --> 1:22:36.840 And worstening economic conditions and increases in unemployment. 1:22:37.920 --> 1:22:39.200 The upsoar should take place. 1:22:39.080 --> 1:22:42.959 During our time in Mari protest really highlighted the marginalized 1:22:42.960 --> 1:22:46.000 position that Mario were dealing with. In New Zealand, society 1:22:46.439 --> 1:22:50.200 and studies ended up confirming their disproportionately poor educational outcomes, 1:22:50.560 --> 1:22:54.679 high unemployment rates, low incomes health issues, high imprisonment rates, 1:22:55.040 --> 1:22:58.040 low rates of home ownership, and dependence on the state. 1:22:59.280 --> 1:23:02.040 While some ARIA activists that sought strategies to challenge the 1:23:02.080 --> 1:23:06.120 system and addressees inequalities, others ended up pursuing struggles that 1:23:06.200 --> 1:23:09.040 posed little threat to the state and fail to address 1:23:09.120 --> 1:23:12.960 the courses of economic and social crisis inherent to capitalism 1:23:14.400 --> 1:23:17.479 and the initial focus of Marie culture nationalism was on 1:23:17.560 --> 1:23:22.880 secure and Marie studies and language programs in the educational system. However, 1:23:23.240 --> 1:23:27.120 the move on eventually shifted its emphasis towards this rediscovering 1:23:27.200 --> 1:23:31.120 Maori history and culture more broadly, and along the way, 1:23:32.040 --> 1:23:36.960 there was less emphasis on putting together a robust political 1:23:37.120 --> 1:23:41.680 movement and robust strategies for broader social change, and while 1:23:41.760 --> 1:23:44.840 Failiar movements had a very clear focus on left wing politics. 1:23:45.160 --> 1:23:46.920 It's also around this time that we see a shift 1:23:46.960 --> 1:23:50.600 towards a broader range of politics, including right wing. One 1:23:50.640 --> 1:23:52.760 of the most important books in the Maria Actress movement 1:23:52.760 --> 1:23:56.360 at the time was Donna our Seria's Maori Sovereignty, published 1:23:56.360 --> 1:23:59.960 in nineteen eighty four, and that book was really less 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:02.880 of a critique of right wing racist politics and more 1:24:02.880 --> 1:24:05.919 of a critique of left social movements, which, according to Auritiri, 1:24:06.840 --> 1:24:10.560 was committed to a status coo characterized by white supremacy 1:24:10.920 --> 1:24:14.040 and Marie subordination. And she was calling everybody else she 1:24:14.160 --> 1:24:17.679 was called Pakeha activists, whether they be feminist, trade unionists, 1:24:17.720 --> 1:24:20.840 socialists or otherwise. She called them all out as ben 1:24:21.000 --> 1:24:24.840 committed to the status quo of white supremacy and Marie'sbbord nation. 1:24:26.200 --> 1:24:29.040 Around this time there was also a growing sense that 1:24:29.479 --> 1:24:36.080 pake has society was intrinsically based in competition, exploitation and 1:24:36.160 --> 1:24:40.559 material success, as opposed to Maori society and Maori values, 1:24:41.120 --> 1:24:48.719 which culturally was more communal, more collaborative, and more focused 1:24:48.800 --> 1:24:51.920 on the wellness of the whole. And so the solution 1:24:52.120 --> 1:24:56.559 was seen as really emphasizing cultural consciousness, but the emphasis 1:24:56.600 --> 1:25:00.479 and cultural consciousness Aluin often led Mary away from political 1:25:00.520 --> 1:25:09.320 activism and towards purely cultural writer list pursuits. In nineteen 1:25:09.320 --> 1:25:13.360 eighty four, the Fourth Labor Government was elected and it 1:25:13.479 --> 1:25:16.919 sort of addressed the rise in Mari protests by enhancing 1:25:16.960 --> 1:25:21.200 the status of Mari culture specifically and incorporating Mari representation 1:25:21.360 --> 1:25:25.040 and practices within state institution shots. This approach is known 1:25:25.080 --> 1:25:28.800 as by culturalism, and it extended the jurisdiction of the 1:25:28.840 --> 1:25:33.440 White Tanki Tribunal and incorporated Maori personnel and cultural symbolism 1:25:33.520 --> 1:25:35.280 into government institutions. 1:25:36.160 --> 1:25:37.200 For those who made a missed up. 1:25:37.320 --> 1:25:42.680 The White Tanky Tribunal was basically institutions set up to 1:25:43.000 --> 1:25:48.000 deal with specific cases of violations of the White Tangi Treaty, 1:25:48.920 --> 1:25:51.640 and so by extending jurisdiction with White Tanki Tribunal by 1:25:51.680 --> 1:25:55.040 incorporating more Maori into positions of government and of power, 1:25:55.520 --> 1:25:58.400 this gave this illusion of a partnership and ended up 1:25:58.439 --> 1:26:02.519 satisfying some of the mariad for self determination. But at 1:26:02.560 --> 1:26:06.000 the same time and again echoes to other movements around 1:26:06.040 --> 1:26:09.400 the world. You see that the government seeds a certain 1:26:09.520 --> 1:26:14.080 ground but it does so so it doesn't lose other fights. 1:26:15.200 --> 1:26:18.479 It pretends to lose certain battles so that it can 1:26:18.680 --> 1:26:24.280 win the war right because in conceding to more reformist 1:26:24.360 --> 1:26:28.479 demands of the movement, it allowed them to marginalize and 1:26:28.600 --> 1:26:32.719 to disempower the movements more radical demands, and it allowed 1:26:32.760 --> 1:26:38.519 them to put forward this pr face of doing a 1:26:38.560 --> 1:26:42.719 good thing for the Maria community while not actually challenging 1:26:42.800 --> 1:26:48.320 the underlying social relations of racist and capitalist society. Basically, 1:26:48.400 --> 1:26:51.679 the state's adoption of ethnic rhetoric and corporation of Mari 1:26:51.760 --> 1:26:55.599 elites into state institutions save to appease a decent portion 1:26:55.720 --> 1:27:00.519 of Mari protests while maintaining the status scope. Now, after 1:27:00.560 --> 1:27:03.760 the Labor government had introduced the Treaty of waitang Gi 1:27:03.800 --> 1:27:07.559 Amendment Act, which expanded the powers of the White Tangi 1:27:07.640 --> 1:27:11.719 Tribunal in nineteen eighty five, the White Tangi Tribunal actually 1:27:11.840 --> 1:27:15.680 had very little power when it came to enforcing its recommendations. 1:27:16.160 --> 1:27:18.559 So it would hear out these cases of land theft, 1:27:19.080 --> 1:27:23.080 It would hear out, you know, these Maori individuals or 1:27:23.320 --> 1:27:26.240 groups would invested a lot of time and energy and 1:27:26.360 --> 1:27:30.360 resources into their land claim cases. The tribunal would find 1:27:30.400 --> 1:27:32.880 them correct. It's like, oh, yeah, they did steal from you. 1:27:32.960 --> 1:27:35.400 You probably should get that land back. But the only 1:27:35.479 --> 1:27:38.960 thing is we can really help you. The tribunal, which 1:27:39.040 --> 1:27:41.280 was set up to help with these cases, didn't actually 1:27:41.280 --> 1:27:44.639 have the power to enforce its recommendations, to actually enforce 1:27:45.080 --> 1:27:47.840 the settlements. It came to it was toothless to really 1:27:47.920 --> 1:27:50.400 end up being a waste of energy. And at the 1:27:50.439 --> 1:27:53.920 same time, the Labor government was doing some economic restructuring 1:27:53.920 --> 1:27:57.320 and to reduce government expenditure and implement an economic plan 1:27:57.479 --> 1:28:03.840 to restore profitability, which included like deregulation, privatization, dismountling with 1:28:03.880 --> 1:28:08.120 the welfare state. Again echoes this is newliberalism one o 1:28:08.240 --> 1:28:13.000 one Thatcher regan all of u because the claims that 1:28:13.080 --> 1:28:15.680 were made to the wait Tangia Tribunal and the recommendations 1:28:15.760 --> 1:28:19.560 made by the tribunal posed obstacles to that sale of 1:28:19.680 --> 1:28:24.040 state owned enterprises and that further restruction the economy towards 1:28:24.120 --> 1:28:28.080 more new liberal ends. There was a growing scent within 1:28:28.160 --> 1:28:32.280 the government that this was quote unquote special treatment for 1:28:32.479 --> 1:28:38.760 Mari and the political costs associated with the tribunal was 1:28:38.880 --> 1:28:41.600 just causing too much headache for the government. And so 1:28:41.680 --> 1:28:45.160 by nineteen eighty nine, just four years after they introduced 1:28:45.200 --> 1:28:50.880 that act, under the immense pressure of you know, these 1:28:50.880 --> 1:28:53.240 smart people getting in the way of their ability to 1:28:54.040 --> 1:28:57.920 new liberalize, the Labor government ended up downplaying the significance 1:28:57.960 --> 1:29:01.760 of a treaty policy. And while that's going on, the 1:29:01.840 --> 1:29:05.000 government has co opting key individuals in the Mari protest 1:29:05.080 --> 1:29:10.439 movement through various negotiations and consultations. More and more of 1:29:10.520 --> 1:29:13.600 this quote unquote Mari elite was being brought into the 1:29:13.680 --> 1:29:17.000 fold of the state. Came in privileged positions and wealth, 1:29:17.280 --> 1:29:21.000 and so they became insulated from the grassroots Marie struggle. 1:29:22.000 --> 1:29:24.519 The following government, not the Labor government, but the national 1:29:24.600 --> 1:29:30.680 government also sort to restore profitable investment in the New 1:29:30.760 --> 1:29:34.040 Zealand economy and to address some of the uncertainty created 1:29:34.080 --> 1:29:38.800 by the treaty claims, and so they went to the 1:29:39.080 --> 1:29:43.640 Mari elite, did their little negotiations and they decided to 1:29:43.680 --> 1:29:46.960 settle certain claims to the fisheries around New Zealand. That 1:29:47.040 --> 1:29:51.439 became known as the Sea Lord's Deal, which caused a 1:29:51.520 --> 1:29:53.880 lot of headache and anger and divisions in the Mari 1:29:53.960 --> 1:29:57.200 community because of the lack of transparency and democracy in 1:29:57.280 --> 1:30:01.719 these negotiations. The it was made between the New Zealand 1:30:01.760 --> 1:30:05.080 government and a group of Mari corporate entities known as 1:30:05.120 --> 1:30:08.479 the Sea Loord Group in nineteen ninety two, and under 1:30:08.520 --> 1:30:10.680 this agreement, the Sea Lord Group, which was said to 1:30:10.800 --> 1:30:16.639 represent Mari interests, acquired a fifty percent steak in Sea Loord, 1:30:16.720 --> 1:30:20.000 which is a major seafood company New Zealand. The other 1:30:20.080 --> 1:30:24.720 fifty percent remained with the Japanese fishing company Nisui, And 1:30:24.840 --> 1:30:27.519 so the deal was seeing as a resolution like, yeah, 1:30:27.560 --> 1:30:30.200 we put ourselves in the back. The Maori were making 1:30:30.240 --> 1:30:34.439 these claims over fishery resources. So we met up with 1:30:34.479 --> 1:30:37.040 to Marie businessmen and gave them a fifty percent steak 1:30:37.120 --> 1:30:37.720 in Sea Lord. 1:30:38.080 --> 1:30:40.360 Problem is solved right now. 1:30:40.520 --> 1:30:43.200 You know they will get some commercial benefits from the 1:30:43.560 --> 1:30:45.759 fishing industry, but no more than fifty percent. 1:30:45.800 --> 1:30:48.200 Though, of course, as a result, a lot. 1:30:48.120 --> 1:30:51.160 Of Maori were arguing that no, this is not adeically 1:30:51.160 --> 1:30:55.400 address ur crevances. The settlement is not sufficient. And on 1:30:55.479 --> 1:30:57.040 top of that, why are you're going to make an 1:30:57.080 --> 1:31:01.519 these backrooms deals and not consult in the community as 1:31:01.520 --> 1:31:05.760 a whole. The positions or the opinions of one does 1:31:05.800 --> 1:31:09.439 that represent all of us? And it's actually kind of 1:31:09.439 --> 1:31:12.280 similar to what was happening during the initial stages of 1:31:12.439 --> 1:31:17.040 the land theft that was taking place during New Zealand's colonization, 1:31:17.960 --> 1:31:21.120 because when I mentioned in the first part that some 1:31:21.240 --> 1:31:24.080 of the land were so legitimately, what I mean by 1:31:24.160 --> 1:31:30.880 that is certain Mari individuals saw an opportunity to profit 1:31:31.680 --> 1:31:36.640 by screwing over everybody else in their community. So they 1:31:36.680 --> 1:31:39.360 would claim, oh, yeah, this is my land, completely disregarding 1:31:39.400 --> 1:31:40.800 the fact that this is coming on land that it 1:31:40.840 --> 1:31:44.240 has been for generations. This is my land, So I 1:31:44.320 --> 1:31:46.639 will sell it to you. You give me the money, 1:31:47.160 --> 1:31:50.960 and so I, you know, profit and a real sort 1:31:51.040 --> 1:31:54.920 of suck. So as kind of seeing that mirrored in 1:31:55.160 --> 1:31:59.360 this nineties context, and then at this time with the 1:31:59.439 --> 1:32:02.200 divisions in the community over the decisions made by these 1:32:02.320 --> 1:32:06.000 Mari elites, they were even further divisions trained by some 1:32:06.200 --> 1:32:09.840 negotiations that were all taking place for the government's one 1:32:10.040 --> 1:32:13.960 billion dollar fiscal Envelope, which is an attempt to evoke 1:32:14.080 --> 1:32:17.560 a full and final settlement of all remaining treaty of 1:32:17.560 --> 1:32:23.280 Oitangi claims. Basically the government was saying here here have 1:32:23.439 --> 1:32:26.679 some money, get out of the way, shut up bas 1:32:26.720 --> 1:32:31.880 it so called reparations right, and so there was another 1:32:32.000 --> 1:32:35.559 upsurge of Mari protests and you know, more of people 1:32:35.640 --> 1:32:39.280 were frustrated and there was traited desperation because there was 1:32:39.360 --> 1:32:42.240 really a lack of options for resolve and the crievances 1:32:42.280 --> 1:32:44.840 that they were dealing with. Some of the protests were 1:32:44.880 --> 1:32:46.720 continuing the struggle with the land right to move onto 1:32:46.720 --> 1:32:50.680 the nineteen seventies, but others were challenging the decision making power. 1:32:50.640 --> 1:32:51.760 Of the EV bodies. 1:32:52.200 --> 1:32:54.920 EV bodies, by the way, are the largest representative bodies 1:32:55.000 --> 1:33:00.720 of Mari in Altai Aura. They're like mega tribes, and 1:33:00.840 --> 1:33:04.720 so there was an increasing frustration among Samrii of you know, 1:33:05.080 --> 1:33:11.040 these representative bodies inability to accurately represent them. And another 1:33:11.160 --> 1:33:14.600 key component of this division was the fact that the 1:33:14.760 --> 1:33:18.519 more middle class elements or middle class professional elements of 1:33:18.560 --> 1:33:24.000 the Maori population were enjoying an expansion opportunities and were 1:33:24.479 --> 1:33:28.080 growing in wealth and prestige, but they were leaving behind 1:33:28.120 --> 1:33:31.280 the working class Maori population, which was still struggling in 1:33:31.320 --> 1:33:35.440 the same way they had been for decades. The policies 1:33:35.520 --> 1:33:39.480 of both the Labor government and the national government disproportionately 1:33:39.600 --> 1:33:44.840 impacted working class Mari communities, and the movement there was 1:33:44.840 --> 1:33:47.840 supposed to represent them had lost sight of them and 1:33:47.920 --> 1:33:54.240 their interests. There was a lack of intermovement solidarity, of 1:33:54.800 --> 1:33:58.400 pushing for fundamental social change instead of these individual changes, 1:33:58.960 --> 1:34:05.120 and there was a sense of crumblence internal cohesion. Some 1:34:05.280 --> 1:34:08.400 marioctivists such as te Ahu who, like I said in 1:34:08.439 --> 1:34:11.840 My Free Spot, I drew primarily from their work when 1:34:12.760 --> 1:34:18.880 researching this particular history, and they were very critical of 1:34:19.160 --> 1:34:23.840 that historical period and particularly of the personalization of the 1:34:23.920 --> 1:34:27.400 conflict for liberation. And so their position was that by 1:34:27.439 --> 1:34:31.120 focusing on individual relationships and prejudices, rather than challenging the 1:34:31.160 --> 1:34:34.840 systemic structures perpetuating opression, it left the struggle to be 1:34:34.960 --> 1:34:37.880 fought on this individual level, while the larger system was 1:34:38.000 --> 1:34:41.759 left unaddressed. And particularly because you know, in the eighties 1:34:41.840 --> 1:34:44.720 there was a shift away from class struggle as a 1:34:44.800 --> 1:34:48.519 central component of the Maori struggle. Middle class and wealthy 1:34:48.600 --> 1:34:53.080 Mari interests were dominating the conversation and their interests were 1:34:53.280 --> 1:34:58.519 exclusively in cultural nationalism, with no real room for working 1:34:58.600 --> 1:35:03.880 class struggle. For class struggle in any form and then 1:35:04.000 --> 1:35:07.640 part of that whole strategy and that will focus on 1:35:07.920 --> 1:35:14.080 exclusively cultural nationalism would attempt to throw everybody under this one. 1:35:14.640 --> 1:35:18.519 Under this broad brush, right, the wealthy new liberal Mari 1:35:18.640 --> 1:35:22.560 politicians would be in the same vein as the impoverished 1:35:22.600 --> 1:35:26.519 and unemployed working class Mari despite their clear differences and 1:35:26.680 --> 1:35:30.960 access to economic and political power. And so this notion 1:35:31.120 --> 1:35:34.360 of Maria as a homogeneous group with identical experiences and 1:35:34.360 --> 1:35:40.840 political aspirations, disregarding the diversity within Marie society and the 1:35:41.120 --> 1:35:46.920 conflicting political strategies within Marie communities, would really weaken the 1:35:47.040 --> 1:35:52.040 cohesion of the struggle as a whole. And I don't 1:35:53.160 --> 1:35:57.439 know how else to say this except there needs to 1:35:57.479 --> 1:36:05.799 be a recognition of racial struggle, gender struggle with class struggle, 1:36:06.640 --> 1:36:15.520 of struggles for ability and disability justice, like inter sexuality, intersectionality. 1:36:16.320 --> 1:36:21.760 It's really so simple. Cultural nationalism has its place, but 1:36:21.920 --> 1:36:27.720 it's very insufficient and very easily cooptible. That's why the 1:36:28.040 --> 1:36:32.120 New African anarchist Ashanti Austan says that we must go 1:36:32.600 --> 1:36:34.599 beyond nationalism, even. 1:36:34.400 --> 1:36:35.720 If we don't go without it. 1:36:36.479 --> 1:36:39.080 That's why I've made a whole video on the subject 1:36:39.160 --> 1:36:43.639 of nationalism or more specifically national liberation for oppressed groups. 1:36:44.080 --> 1:36:46.920 You see, it's a tool that oppressed people can use 1:36:46.920 --> 1:36:53.400 in their struggle, but it's not enough, and focusing too 1:36:53.520 --> 1:36:56.560 much on it leaves a lot of exploitable gaps in 1:36:56.680 --> 1:37:00.479 one's analysis. It's again, it's a tool, not an end 1:37:00.479 --> 1:37:06.000 in itself. It does little to change material realities. Tea 1:37:06.080 --> 1:37:09.000 who in their piece had said that while and I'm 1:37:09.040 --> 1:37:12.800 quoting here, while culture and identity remain absolutely essential to 1:37:12.880 --> 1:37:16.759 Mari social wellbion, it does not automatically follow that cultural 1:37:16.800 --> 1:37:20.080 identity alone should provide the organizational basis for the fight 1:37:20.160 --> 1:37:24.960 against racism and Marie disadvantage. Because identities are blurred and multiple, 1:37:25.439 --> 1:37:28.320 any fight against Mario oppression must be based upon building 1:37:28.360 --> 1:37:32.559 the strongest possible liberation movement by uniting different oppressed groups 1:37:32.560 --> 1:37:35.960 into a common struggle. This is essential because true liberation 1:37:36.080 --> 1:37:39.760 for Mari will not occur without a fundamental transformation of 1:37:39.800 --> 1:37:43.200 capitless society and the creation of a classless society in 1:37:43.280 --> 1:37:46.559 which there is real women's liberation, gay and lesbian liberation, 1:37:46.960 --> 1:37:51.800 and freedom from racism endquote. Historical evidence has shown that 1:37:51.880 --> 1:37:54.960 the political movements based solely on the identity of the 1:37:55.040 --> 1:37:59.880 participants could be very diverse. Let's just say on the 1:38:00.320 --> 1:38:08.599 spectrum there are reactionary and their revolutionary segments of pretty 1:38:08.680 --> 1:38:14.360 much every national liberation movement, from Black Power to Free Palestine. 1:38:15.400 --> 1:38:21.560 Because when the focus is on cultural or national liberation, 1:38:22.640 --> 1:38:27.320 there is a lot of room to adopt a variety 1:38:27.680 --> 1:38:30.720 of approaches and a variety of political aims. I so 1:38:30.760 --> 1:38:33.400 it's a lot of room for middle class interests to 1:38:33.840 --> 1:38:36.240 dominate as they have a lot more time and resources 1:38:36.320 --> 1:38:39.240 to contribute and take over the rhetoric and the messaging 1:38:39.280 --> 1:38:41.800 of the causes. Another example that we see in the 1:38:41.840 --> 1:38:46.200 feminist movement, which in a lot of ways diverge from 1:38:46.280 --> 1:38:51.240 the struggle of working class women towards the more niche 1:38:51.320 --> 1:38:56.360 interests of you know, the girl bosses who we're facing 1:38:56.560 --> 1:39:00.880 genuine hills in their climate, the corporate ladder. 1:39:02.280 --> 1:39:05.200 But in focusing on those instances. 1:39:05.040 --> 1:39:07.960 There was a loss of the needs of working class 1:39:08.000 --> 1:39:12.559 women and the precurious position that when as a whole 1:39:13.160 --> 1:39:18.240 are still in mari. Political activism has always been diverse. 1:39:18.560 --> 1:39:22.480 You know, there's a wide range of strategies, campaigns and participants. 1:39:23.040 --> 1:39:26.360 There's not a unified movement, but there's a heterogenous force, 1:39:26.760 --> 1:39:30.759 with both radical and conservative elements, each pursuing different methods 1:39:30.800 --> 1:39:35.040 to achieve the objectives. There's no unanimous agreement on the 1:39:35.160 --> 1:39:40.240 vision of Tino Rangatira tanga, which is the Marii term 1:39:40.360 --> 1:39:46.000 for Mari self determination. Tino Rangatira tangle can be associated 1:39:46.080 --> 1:39:53.000 with Mari capitalism, electoral power, cultural nationalism, or revolutionary activity. 1:39:54.200 --> 1:39:57.240 In the past, some artists had believe that fundamental transformation 1:39:57.320 --> 1:40:00.640 the system was necessary for liberation, and so they rejective reformism. 1:40:01.640 --> 1:40:03.280 But the landscape has changed. 1:40:04.720 --> 1:40:04.880 Well. 1:40:05.000 --> 1:40:08.559 Some still advocate for constitutional changes, elector apolitics to address 1:40:08.560 --> 1:40:13.600 systemic issues. Some influential travel executives and corporate warriors are 1:40:13.640 --> 1:40:16.200 even going as fast to argue that Mari can only 1:40:16.240 --> 1:40:22.000 achieve true self determination and liberation through unrestricted free market capitalism. 1:40:23.640 --> 1:40:27.120 The objectives that Tino Rangatira tangle promoted by different groups 1:40:27.600 --> 1:40:35.080 are contradictory because there is no homogeneity in the Mari struggle. 1:40:35.920 --> 1:40:38.320 But I hope that the takeaway here has been clear, 1:40:38.760 --> 1:40:42.479 and that is the need for a clear intersectional approach 1:40:43.000 --> 1:40:50.040 to revolution in our struggle against racist, sexist, capitalist, et 1:40:50.120 --> 1:40:56.280 cetera society. The Mari movement is still ongoing. And though 1:40:56.920 --> 1:41:00.519 the focus of these two parts has been pmarily on 1:41:01.479 --> 1:41:06.400 the current rather has been primarily on the struggle of 1:41:06.479 --> 1:41:09.160 the sixties, seventies, eighties, and early nineties. 1:41:10.880 --> 1:41:12.360 Mari liberation has not been found. 1:41:13.439 --> 1:41:17.200 Tino Ranga, t your tanga has not been achieved and 1:41:17.240 --> 1:41:18.280 there's still a long way to go. 1:41:19.400 --> 1:41:21.040 That's it for me again. 1:41:21.080 --> 1:41:25.280 I'm Andrew from the TUE channel Anturism. You can find 1:41:25.360 --> 1:41:28.360 me there and you could support on patre dot com 1:41:28.520 --> 1:41:32.479 slash saying true this has been it could happen here? 1:41:50.160 --> 1:41:55.120 Welcome back to It could Happen Here? A podcast about 1:41:55.280 --> 1:41:59.000 things falling apart and about what we like to call 1:41:59.280 --> 1:42:02.440 the crumbleson here. And the key aspect of the crumbles 1:42:02.880 --> 1:42:08.520 is the ongoing resurgence of fascist political parties and politicians 1:42:08.560 --> 1:42:11.120 in the United States and elsewhere. And today we're going 1:42:11.200 --> 1:42:14.160 to be talking about about one of said fascists, a 1:42:14.240 --> 1:42:18.240 fella you might have heard of named Ron DeSantis. I'm 1:42:18.400 --> 1:42:24.519 putting Ron, Yeah, Pudding Ron old dasanct demonious. Now, Garrison, 1:42:24.760 --> 1:42:26.720 you've got a banger of an episode written out here. 1:42:26.760 --> 1:42:29.240 I'm looking at your script right now. It's beautiful. Right 1:42:29.320 --> 1:42:31.080 before we get into it, I do want to give 1:42:31.080 --> 1:42:33.719 an update on a past subject if it could happen 1:42:33.800 --> 1:42:37.320 here Lord Miles Rutledge for those of you who may 1:42:37.400 --> 1:42:39.960 not have caught that episode. Lord Miles is a British 1:42:40.040 --> 1:42:44.240 Man who went to Afghanistan to hang out and got 1:42:44.320 --> 1:42:48.040 caught up in the Taliban's you know, victory in that war, 1:42:48.320 --> 1:42:52.000 and then turned himself into a danger travel influencer, visiting 1:42:53.920 --> 1:42:56.799 in dangerous place, going to war zones, going to Ukraine 1:42:56.840 --> 1:42:59.880 and like making it about him. He went back to 1:43:00.040 --> 1:43:04.040 Afghanistan because it really was better for his social media 1:43:04.120 --> 1:43:07.559 following than any of the other places he went, bragged 1:43:07.600 --> 1:43:10.880 about breaking laws, including faking his visa, and then got 1:43:11.000 --> 1:43:13.800 arrested and has been radio silent for about the last 1:43:13.920 --> 1:43:16.840 five months now. A lot of people have wondered is 1:43:16.960 --> 1:43:19.560 Lord Miles dead that he liked die in custody in 1:43:19.640 --> 1:43:21.960 the Taliban are trying to keep it a secret, but 1:43:22.640 --> 1:43:27.479 worry no longer. Friends today his account posted this is 1:43:27.520 --> 1:43:29.920 a friend of Lord Miles to give an update. Four 1:43:29.960 --> 1:43:33.759 months in Taliban custody. He's treated very well, has several servants, 1:43:33.960 --> 1:43:36.640 loads of movies on his laptop, goes on picnics and 1:43:36.720 --> 1:43:40.520 has tea with the Taliban cabinet government. He still loves Afghanistan. 1:43:40.840 --> 1:43:43.080 And then there's a photo of him giving the thumbs up. 1:43:43.320 --> 1:43:47.840 Dou't so he's not dead, guys. He's in a nice 1:43:48.000 --> 1:43:52.840 Taliban farm upstate. Gets he gets to run all he wants, 1:43:53.040 --> 1:44:01.160 you know, wide open fields. He's super happy. It's really funny. 1:44:01.400 --> 1:44:04.920 One of his All of these people are so fucking brained, poised, 1:44:05.040 --> 1:44:07.200 brain poisoned, but like a big part of Miles, he 1:44:07.360 --> 1:44:09.000 was like trying to also be kind of a right 1:44:09.080 --> 1:44:12.360 wing influencer. He was doing this like anti woke. The 1:44:12.439 --> 1:44:15.280 Taliban is awesome and like actually kind of good guys 1:44:15.320 --> 1:44:18.000 because they they don't like believe in the woke agenda. 1:44:18.400 --> 1:44:21.320 And one of his friends, after this message got posted, 1:44:21.400 --> 1:44:24.280 like messaged his account be like, hey, Taliban, if you're 1:44:24.320 --> 1:44:26.559 the guys that have like captured him, we really want 1:44:26.600 --> 1:44:28.360 him back. I'll pay a ransom. I'm like, I know 1:44:28.479 --> 1:44:30.640 this is probably just a misunderstanding because you guys are 1:44:30.680 --> 1:44:32.400 on our side on the anti woke war. 1:44:33.560 --> 1:44:38.000 Sure, yeah, I'm sure Taliban cares about the woke culture 1:44:38.080 --> 1:44:39.280 war facing America. 1:44:39.680 --> 1:44:42.400 That's what they're that's what's they're all about. That shit. 1:44:42.960 --> 1:44:43.639 Good work guys. 1:44:43.920 --> 1:44:45.600 I'm sure they tuned in to shot out of the 1:44:45.720 --> 1:44:46.960 every night Oh. 1:44:47.320 --> 1:44:50.679 So funny, so funny. Anyway, that dude Debt is dead 1:44:50.720 --> 1:44:53.200 as hell. Look, I'm not saying that to gloat. I'm 1:44:53.280 --> 1:44:55.080 just saying that that motherfucker is dead as hell. I 1:44:56.000 --> 1:44:57.599 don't care what a prick he's dead. 1:45:00.080 --> 1:45:02.760 Many, many people have died in Afghanistan and it's been 1:45:02.800 --> 1:45:04.400 a tragedy, this one less. 1:45:04.640 --> 1:45:07.280 So anyway, Garrison, please continue. 1:45:07.600 --> 1:45:12.639 All right, So we're gonna return to this podcast being 1:45:12.720 --> 1:45:16.799 your number one source for slightly homo erotic fascist memes 1:45:17.439 --> 1:45:17.920 once again. 1:45:18.360 --> 1:45:21.600 That was how we pitched it to iHeartRadio. 1:45:22.840 --> 1:45:25.120 Explaining the erotic fascist themes. 1:45:25.320 --> 1:45:27.840 A lot of people talking about fascists these days, but 1:45:27.960 --> 1:45:29.320 none of them are homo erotic. 1:45:31.640 --> 1:45:34.679 So on the on the last day of Pride Month, 1:45:34.760 --> 1:45:39.719 Desantas's campaign shared a ad that's been described as bizarre 1:45:40.000 --> 1:45:44.639 and mystifying, where he pedals a whole bunch of pretty 1:45:44.680 --> 1:45:49.400 pretty extreme like homophobia. He attacks Trump for for for 1:45:49.600 --> 1:45:55.840 previous statements that Trump has made regarding LGBTQ rights, and 1:45:56.000 --> 1:45:59.759 then the video kind of transitions and we see basically 1:45:59.880 --> 1:46:04.280 a version of what we're gonna call fash wave, and 1:46:04.439 --> 1:46:07.320 I'm gonna explain all of these terms here in this episode, 1:46:07.760 --> 1:46:11.240 but we're seeing kind of a resurgence of a political 1:46:11.320 --> 1:46:14.479 meme style that was popular years ago. It's kind of 1:46:14.680 --> 1:46:17.439 laid dormant the past year or so for reasons that 1:46:17.520 --> 1:46:21.680 we will very soon discuss. But a whole bunch of 1:46:21.880 --> 1:46:25.240 both conservatives and liberals are kind of not really sure 1:46:25.560 --> 1:46:28.960 how to take this ad shared by the Desanta's campaign 1:46:29.000 --> 1:46:33.200 and are ill equipped to understand what the fuck. 1:46:33.120 --> 1:46:33.600 Is going on. 1:46:34.240 --> 1:46:38.439 But luckily I am equipped because I spent my teen 1:46:38.520 --> 1:46:43.439 years in telegram chats watching this meme style develop. 1:46:43.880 --> 1:46:44.920 So proud of you, buddy. 1:46:45.360 --> 1:46:52.679 Yeah, thanks in the telegram trenches once again. 1:46:52.760 --> 1:46:53.360 All right, So. 1:46:55.120 --> 1:46:58.320 The first image of Dysantis, when it flashes to this 1:46:58.439 --> 1:47:01.639 other kind of weird more like oar editing style, has 1:47:01.840 --> 1:47:04.360 him with like these uh these blue or red like 1:47:04.479 --> 1:47:08.240 glowing eyes. And this is gonna be something that is 1:47:08.280 --> 1:47:10.240 going to be a recurring trend that we're gonna be 1:47:10.240 --> 1:47:12.280 talking about in this episode, these like these like glowing 1:47:12.400 --> 1:47:15.600 laser eye type things. So we're gonna start with this 1:47:15.720 --> 1:47:17.400 because this is actually one of the one of the 1:47:17.479 --> 1:47:19.960 most common traits of fash wave, and we've seen this 1:47:20.040 --> 1:47:24.080 be adopted by multiple politicians in the past, and most 1:47:24.120 --> 1:47:25.760 people probably like don't know what the fuck this is, 1:47:25.920 --> 1:47:27.519 like is this like a Superman thing? Like what what 1:47:27.600 --> 1:47:30.920 the fuck is this? So laser eye memes started in 1:47:31.040 --> 1:47:34.960 the early twenty tens, originally referencing video games like Mass 1:47:34.960 --> 1:47:38.080 Effect two and other like sci fi and superhero media 1:47:38.360 --> 1:47:40.600 people like Superman or anyone with like laser eyes. Is 1:47:40.840 --> 1:47:43.600 also like a a like a cultural touchstone for this 1:47:43.800 --> 1:47:47.320 sort of thing. The laser eyes usually represent like a 1:47:47.479 --> 1:47:51.000 figure growing in power, So when when someone has laser 1:47:51.040 --> 1:47:52.599 eyes and a meme, it's like they are they are 1:47:52.760 --> 1:47:57.160 They're gaining power, the gaining security. The The original caption 1:47:57.439 --> 1:48:01.799 for the early laser eye memes was assuming direct Control, 1:48:02.120 --> 1:48:04.639 which was also just a video game reference. So again 1:48:05.240 --> 1:48:07.599 I would have someone with like glowing glowing laser eyes 1:48:07.640 --> 1:48:11.000 and text that says like assuming control or assuming direct control. 1:48:11.800 --> 1:48:14.439 So this was this was popping off in like the 1:48:14.479 --> 1:48:18.560 early twenty tens, Around the same time, synth wave and 1:48:18.800 --> 1:48:23.000 vapor wave were gaining traction as both like nostalgic musical 1:48:23.200 --> 1:48:28.720 microgenres and a mimetic visual style featuring neon glitchy kind 1:48:28.760 --> 1:48:33.759 of eighties retrocomputer aesthetics mixed with traditional Greco Roman sculpture 1:48:34.160 --> 1:48:36.840 for a variety of reasons which we'll touch on, but 1:48:37.600 --> 1:48:42.120 vapor wave had influences from video games, cyberpunk anime, and 1:48:42.360 --> 1:48:45.000 it was it was relatively popular as a microgenre in 1:48:45.280 --> 1:48:48.439 like the twenty teens, and throughout the twenty teens, both 1:48:48.560 --> 1:48:52.120 the laser eye memes were steadily growing in popularity on 1:48:52.240 --> 1:48:55.200 places like Reddit and four chun alongside the rise of 1:48:55.320 --> 1:48:59.320 a vapor wave and its kind of surrealist, nostalgia laden 1:48:59.360 --> 1:49:04.280 aesthetics focused on highlighting the comfort and unfulfilled promises of 1:49:04.439 --> 1:49:10.320 the Internet of yester year, and this like nostalgic surrealist 1:49:10.400 --> 1:49:14.880 aesthetic was prime bait for easy co option into the 1:49:15.080 --> 1:49:19.720 reactionary meme variant dubbed fash wave, which soon became kind 1:49:19.720 --> 1:49:22.960 of the de facto esthetic of the then burgeoning alt right. 1:49:23.760 --> 1:49:27.400 Glowing laser eyes on various fascistic political figures became a 1:49:27.439 --> 1:49:29.559 staple of fash wave during the rise of the alt 1:49:29.640 --> 1:49:33.439 right around twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen. I actually kind 1:49:33.479 --> 1:49:35.559 of like vapor wave. I think it's maybe a bit 1:49:35.600 --> 1:49:39.880 overplayed now and It certainly is frustrating how much it 1:49:40.040 --> 1:49:44.800 was kind of taken over by reactionaries, because actual vapor 1:49:44.880 --> 1:49:49.599 wave is almost actually like anti capitalistic in a few ways. 1:49:49.640 --> 1:49:53.960 It's kind of it's kind of criticizing the disposableness of 1:49:54.080 --> 1:50:00.280 like modern consumerist culture using like forgotten eighties technology and 1:50:00.439 --> 1:50:03.320 like software that kind of stuff. So I'm looking at 1:50:03.479 --> 1:50:06.559 two of my little vapor wave images here in the script, 1:50:06.960 --> 1:50:09.560 and it does some of some of the little like 1:50:09.760 --> 1:50:11.639 ways that the images are broken up makes it look 1:50:11.760 --> 1:50:15.120 kind of like like old Internet pop up ads back 1:50:15.160 --> 1:50:17.880 when they had like clearly defined borders and x'es and 1:50:17.960 --> 1:50:20.519 weren't just like overtaking your entire screen and you had 1:50:20.560 --> 1:50:23.599 no way to close them. But you know what does 1:50:23.760 --> 1:50:26.760 kind of overtake your entire viewing experience via an ad. 1:50:27.439 --> 1:50:30.760 It's it's podcast advertising because it's going to go straight 1:50:30.760 --> 1:50:32.960 into your ears, and there's no way to x out. 1:50:33.400 --> 1:50:35.320 You have to you have to suffer through the ad 1:50:35.920 --> 1:50:38.200 unless you unless you figured out that you can press 1:50:38.360 --> 1:50:41.160 a button that makes you go forward thirty seconds. Anyway, anyway, 1:50:41.760 --> 1:50:45.000 here is here is our beloved, our beloved sponsors who 1:50:45.600 --> 1:50:49.000 fund such vital research that I that I'm doing for 1:50:49.120 --> 1:50:52.880 this episode anyway, the rise of the alt right to 1:50:52.920 --> 1:50:55.280 this is kind of where where fash wave is both 1:50:55.360 --> 1:50:57.360 like getting the name fash wave and also you know, 1:50:57.439 --> 1:51:00.479 it's becoming a larger problem because there's more Nazis wing around. 1:51:00.600 --> 1:51:04.280 So after the deadly Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, 1:51:04.600 --> 1:51:07.880 the Altright went through a sort of split between the 1:51:08.000 --> 1:51:11.360 more Trumpian adherents, who made up large parts of the 1:51:11.520 --> 1:51:14.000 then dubbed all to Light, a term we don't really 1:51:14.080 --> 1:51:17.160 use it very much anymore, and then this kind of 1:51:17.240 --> 1:51:21.839 other section which had more of the accelerationist neo Nazis 1:51:22.240 --> 1:51:24.920 who were starting to congregate on the messaging app Telegram. 1:51:25.360 --> 1:51:26.760 And then we have groups kind of like the Proud 1:51:26.760 --> 1:51:28.799 Boys that are like in between. They're kind of Trumpian, 1:51:28.840 --> 1:51:32.400 they're also also like more fascy, but they're not like 1:51:32.600 --> 1:51:36.280 really full skull mask. Usually some would adopt that esthetic 1:51:36.360 --> 1:51:38.519 later on, but that's kind of due to this cultic 1:51:38.560 --> 1:51:42.679 milieu that's starting to develop on Telegram. So a fash 1:51:42.760 --> 1:51:46.599 wave largely followed the self proclaimed fascists, so it too 1:51:46.880 --> 1:51:50.320 became the central visual style of the of the burgeoning 1:51:50.360 --> 1:51:54.920 network of militant accelerationist telegram channels, which would eventually be 1:51:55.000 --> 1:51:59.000 dubbed terror Gram Terror as in terrorist. And this was 1:51:59.080 --> 1:52:01.639 combining with a whole bunch of weird factors around twenty 1:52:01.680 --> 1:52:04.320 eighteen twenty nineteen, including the Boogloo Boys, which Robert has 1:52:04.320 --> 1:52:09.120 written about at length before It's and it was also 1:52:09.479 --> 1:52:12.160 influenced by the Iron March forums and like the skull 1:52:12.240 --> 1:52:15.240 Mask network with groups like Adam Waffen and the Bass, 1:52:15.520 --> 1:52:16.439 they were all the. 1:52:16.680 --> 1:52:21.080 Iron March forms are like the Boomers of Nazi Internet people, 1:52:21.560 --> 1:52:23.320 not quite the Boomers, maybe the gen X. 1:52:23.560 --> 1:52:26.240 The jed X, Yeah, very very much, the X. 1:52:26.560 --> 1:52:29.439 Yeah, the forum generation. There's a generation of people. Yeah, 1:52:30.280 --> 1:52:33.840 before social media is it's Nazi something awful, right, It's 1:52:34.240 --> 1:52:35.840 We're not quite into the chans yet. 1:52:36.080 --> 1:52:39.479 Yeah. And after Iron March kind of collapsed, a whole 1:52:39.520 --> 1:52:42.360 bunch of these weird accelerationists, we're starting to all congregate 1:52:42.439 --> 1:52:45.840 on telegram. And this is where we see kind of 1:52:45.920 --> 1:52:50.160 fash wave develop into a much more overt apocalyptic and 1:52:50.240 --> 1:52:55.480 a dooomer focus. The the hontology inspired and nostalgic reflections 1:52:55.520 --> 1:52:58.160 on the false promises of techno capitalism that were already 1:52:58.160 --> 1:53:01.439 present in vaporwave were ripe ground for the addition of 1:53:01.680 --> 1:53:04.879 like return to tradition style reactionary fascism. 1:53:05.280 --> 1:53:07.559 Do you explain porntology if people are familiar. 1:53:08.160 --> 1:53:11.400 Yeah, Uh, Hontology is a I mean it started as 1:53:11.439 --> 1:53:13.840 a term which then developed into a musical genre. But 1:53:14.240 --> 1:53:16.960 it's it's similar to vapor wave. It's about kind of 1:53:17.439 --> 1:53:21.080 looking back on the unfulfilled promises of the past that 1:53:21.280 --> 1:53:23.680 we were like promised as a culture that then never 1:53:23.840 --> 1:53:26.880 came to place. But these promises still kind of follow us. 1:53:26.920 --> 1:53:29.920 They kind of like haunt us. If hontology is a 1:53:29.920 --> 1:53:32.960 big reason why liminal spaces got popular because of early 1:53:33.080 --> 1:53:36.439 nineties and uh and two thousands, like aesthetics of like 1:53:36.479 --> 1:53:38.720 big office buildings that are now left empty. 1:53:39.040 --> 1:53:42.560 Office buildings, like schools, like particularly like the you know, 1:53:42.720 --> 1:53:44.840 like the doors to a school or whatever. You get 1:53:44.840 --> 1:53:48.840 a lot of like photos of that. Yeah, so stuff 1:53:48.880 --> 1:53:52.120 that makes people feel a longing for a past that 1:53:52.280 --> 1:53:53.080 was never really real. 1:53:53.439 --> 1:53:56.240 Yeah, and like like a longing for like this sense 1:53:56.280 --> 1:53:58.400 of home and the sense of like a safe home 1:53:58.520 --> 1:54:00.479 which you maybe that you never actually really had. 1:54:01.560 --> 1:54:01.760 Yeah. 1:54:02.360 --> 1:54:05.479 Yeah, because she hated being in school, you just have forgot. Yeah, 1:54:05.880 --> 1:54:07.240 you've kind of athologized it. 1:54:07.560 --> 1:54:11.080 Like per she calls it post memory, when you re 1:54:11.240 --> 1:54:14.040 remember things based on you know, your sort of coat standpoint. 1:54:14.600 --> 1:54:14.800 Yeah. 1:54:15.400 --> 1:54:18.680 So the the sort of doom er acelerationism of this 1:54:19.040 --> 1:54:21.200 of this kind of variant of fashwave or this like 1:54:21.240 --> 1:54:24.240 evolution of fash wave was was also accompanied by by 1:54:24.280 --> 1:54:25.840 groups like the Bogle of Boys who are starting to 1:54:25.880 --> 1:54:27.800 make their memes in this in this style as well. 1:54:28.160 --> 1:54:30.280 I have I have a few examples of fashwave here 1:54:31.000 --> 1:54:33.720 showing to to Robert and James Sun and rads were 1:54:33.720 --> 1:54:36.320 pretty were pretty popular. It's like the the sun wheel 1:54:36.440 --> 1:54:39.280 version of the swastika essentially, but a lot of these 1:54:39.360 --> 1:54:43.600 are like remember tradition embrace your race with like Nazi 1:54:43.720 --> 1:54:48.400 figures in like this monochrome style over over like scan 1:54:48.560 --> 1:54:50.160 lines like you would see on like a like an 1:54:50.200 --> 1:54:52.280 old like arcade video game that has like that has 1:54:52.320 --> 1:54:56.080 like a horizon, but you know, all like neon colors 1:54:56.160 --> 1:54:59.080 kind of kind of like glitchy type stuff. There's there's 1:54:59.160 --> 1:55:02.440 one Trump one here from like twenty eighteen where he 1:55:02.560 --> 1:55:07.320 has glowing yellow eyes, also in the fashwave style. So 1:55:08.320 --> 1:55:12.320 this was kind of the aesthetic around around twenty nineteen 1:55:12.440 --> 1:55:16.960 here and like fashwave was definitely still common on imageboards 1:55:17.040 --> 1:55:20.360 like four chan, eight chan, and eight kun, but the 1:55:20.520 --> 1:55:23.600 ever pressened kind of hitler particles and poor web design 1:55:23.640 --> 1:55:27.000 on those sites drove away most of the mega conservatives 1:55:27.040 --> 1:55:31.160 who might try to stumble on to four chan or 1:55:31.200 --> 1:55:33.400 to eight chan to like watch q and on stuff. 1:55:33.440 --> 1:55:35.040 It was just it was just the site was too 1:55:35.120 --> 1:55:39.760 hostile to them and then circled Like twenty twenty, among 1:55:39.920 --> 1:55:44.280 waves of Twitter and Facebook suspensions, Trump supporters and high 1:55:44.360 --> 1:55:48.440 profile far right figures started congregating on other platforms. A 1:55:48.520 --> 1:55:51.800 few Twitter clones popped off, like Parlor and eventually Trump's 1:55:51.840 --> 1:55:55.520 Own Truth Social but a number of mega conservatives also 1:55:55.680 --> 1:55:59.520 ended up on Telegram, in part due to telegrams largely 1:56:00.400 --> 1:56:04.520 off approach to moderation. So around this twenty twenty and 1:56:04.600 --> 1:56:08.400 like just post twenty twenty time period is when Telegram 1:56:08.560 --> 1:56:12.240 began functioning as the far right's very own cultic milieu, 1:56:12.720 --> 1:56:16.720 a sort of like shared online space where various memes, ideologies, 1:56:16.800 --> 1:56:20.720 conspiracy theories, and propaganda could all intermingle with each other 1:56:20.880 --> 1:56:24.120 and spread. Now, part of this is how Telegram operates 1:56:24.200 --> 1:56:26.520 as a platform. I'm going to quote from an article 1:56:26.920 --> 1:56:31.000 about Telegram and the cultic milieu from logically quote. Telegram 1:56:31.160 --> 1:56:34.560 offers features that straddle the line in between social media 1:56:34.720 --> 1:56:38.760 and messaging app. Users can create channels which function as 1:56:38.880 --> 1:56:41.200 one way message channels that allow someone to send a 1:56:41.280 --> 1:56:44.800 feed of messages available to all of their subscribers. Public 1:56:44.920 --> 1:56:47.520 channels and group chats are searchable by name, allowing anyone 1:56:47.600 --> 1:56:50.200 to subscribe to a public channel or join a public group. 1:56:50.720 --> 1:56:54.040 Channels and groups are uniquely connected on Telegram. When a 1:56:54.080 --> 1:56:57.640 message is forwarded from a public channel into another channel 1:56:57.760 --> 1:57:01.040 or group, it links back to the origin group, creating 1:57:01.120 --> 1:57:04.800 a chain in between different channels and groups. Another common 1:57:04.880 --> 1:57:07.840 feature is for users to advertise for channels and groups 1:57:08.000 --> 1:57:11.680 in other channels and groups, with some users creating directories 1:57:11.840 --> 1:57:14.680 of these channels and these big group chats that have 1:57:14.880 --> 1:57:18.840 extremist content unquote. So this kind of interconnected nature that 1:57:18.960 --> 1:57:22.400 allows this chain link of being able to award a message, 1:57:22.880 --> 1:57:24.640 Like you have a Telegram channel with like three thousand 1:57:24.640 --> 1:57:26.880 people in it and you post fash raight memes. You 1:57:26.960 --> 1:57:28.840 can make some fash rave memes in the style of 1:57:29.120 --> 1:57:32.240 like Trump, and then you can forward this message to 1:57:32.600 --> 1:57:35.560 a Trump channel that has forty five thousand members in it. 1:57:36.040 --> 1:57:38.240 They see this meme, they might like it, they click 1:57:38.360 --> 1:57:40.800 the meme, it sends them back into your three thousand 1:57:40.880 --> 1:57:43.000 person channel. So now they're going to getting exposed to 1:57:43.040 --> 1:57:44.720 all of the other weird shit you have going on. 1:57:45.160 --> 1:57:47.240 So it became a really easy way to kind of 1:57:47.360 --> 1:57:50.120 make a rabbit hole and like a pipeline for people 1:57:50.160 --> 1:57:53.760 to get exposed to new aesthetics, new ideologies, and especially 1:57:53.840 --> 1:57:57.200 conspiracy theories. I think we should have an ad break 1:57:57.280 --> 1:58:00.160 now and we will return to talk about the the 1:58:00.400 --> 1:58:04.360 increased Trumpian focus on fash wave that happened as a 1:58:04.440 --> 1:58:07.440 result of this kind of telegram cross proliferation. 1:58:08.200 --> 1:58:11.360 That's right, everybody, We're going to break for ads from 1:58:11.440 --> 1:58:16.120 our sponsors, who also sponsor Lord Myles Rutledge. So you know, 1:58:16.240 --> 1:58:19.760 let's hear it up for these ads from the Taliban. Ah, 1:58:20.080 --> 1:58:23.000 we're back. And I don't know about you guys, but 1:58:23.720 --> 1:58:26.200 Taliban's making a lot of sense these days to me. 1:58:26.880 --> 1:58:27.080 Good. 1:58:28.160 --> 1:58:31.760 Yeah, I like their war on wokeness. 1:58:32.280 --> 1:58:37.800 Yeah, speaking speaking speaking of a war on wokeness. 1:58:39.720 --> 1:58:43.120 Leads us right back to oleron well, meatball ron. 1:58:45.040 --> 1:58:48.200 So to understand what the fuck is going on in 1:58:48.240 --> 1:58:50.440 that Rhonda Santis video. This is probably one of the 1:58:50.480 --> 1:58:53.040 most important, important little tidbits of knowledge that some people 1:58:53.080 --> 1:58:56.680 may be overlooking. Is this brief fever dream known as 1:58:56.920 --> 1:59:01.280 Dark Mega. Oh god, yeah, good to us. 1:59:02.080 --> 1:59:04.080 No, I know, I'm just glad. Yeah, I'm glad. This 1:59:04.200 --> 1:59:05.800 one didn't work out the way they'd hope. 1:59:05.880 --> 1:59:08.640 No, it did not work out, so the opposite of 1:59:08.720 --> 1:59:12.360 the way they hoped. Yeah. So, because of this kind 1:59:12.360 --> 1:59:16.400 of Telegram cross proliferation, the far rights memetic aesthetic went 1:59:16.480 --> 1:59:20.560 through a sort of coagulation after twenty twenty, which eventually 1:59:20.640 --> 1:59:25.400 resulted in the upsetting, albeit short lived Dark Mega, also 1:59:25.480 --> 1:59:29.040 known as Ultra Mega, both of which are horrible names. 1:59:29.640 --> 1:59:33.400 Yeah yeah, yeah, I remember Ultra Mega being big and 1:59:33.480 --> 1:59:36.400 like people putting their Twitter handles along with like the eagle. 1:59:36.160 --> 1:59:36.720 And a flag. 1:59:37.240 --> 1:59:37.440 Yeah. 1:59:38.160 --> 1:59:38.200 So. 1:59:39.240 --> 1:59:43.320 The Dark Mega trend started around a year after the 1:59:43.440 --> 1:59:46.880 January sixth capital attack and steadily grew in popularity for 1:59:46.960 --> 1:59:48.760 the next few months during the lead up to the 1:59:48.840 --> 1:59:53.320 twenty twenty two midterm elections. After two years of right 1:59:53.360 --> 1:59:57.680 wing influencers and politicians operating in Telegram's cultic milieu, the 1:59:57.840 --> 2:00:01.680 influence of militant acceleration is propaganda is immediately apparent in 2:00:01.800 --> 2:00:06.320 this new stylistic iteration, which is basically downstream from fash wave. 2:00:07.400 --> 2:00:12.640 Dark Mega promoted a form of dystopian inspired overt authoritarianism 2:00:13.040 --> 2:00:17.000 with the assumed direct control laser eyes front and center, 2:00:17.080 --> 2:00:22.400 and for emphasizing militaristic domestic connotations. Dimlylit images were usually 2:00:22.560 --> 2:00:26.440 edited in red or blue monochrome. Dramatic images of Trump 2:00:26.480 --> 2:00:29.240 are fairly prominent, as is the presence of weapons and 2:00:29.400 --> 2:00:33.640 the occasional Nazi symbol. I have two examples of fashwave 2:00:33.680 --> 2:00:37.280 here for for for the UH for the gallery. James, 2:00:37.520 --> 2:00:38.680 what do you what do you. 2:00:38.680 --> 2:00:39.080 Think of this. 2:00:40.720 --> 2:00:41.000 Of these? 2:00:41.280 --> 2:00:42.320 Of these two pictures. 2:00:43.680 --> 2:00:45.840 First of all, they look like somebody used like a 2:00:46.120 --> 2:00:49.720 MS paint, Like it's kind of that. That's the tear 2:00:49.800 --> 2:00:53.600 of work when none of these are well edited. No, 2:00:53.760 --> 2:00:56.880 they're not horror, Yeah it is. 2:00:57.440 --> 2:00:59.440 It is one of them, the one on the left. 2:00:59.520 --> 2:01:04.240 He looks like it's like like the eighth movie in 2:01:04.400 --> 2:01:07.520 like a Jason or Freddy type series right where it's 2:01:07.560 --> 2:01:11.160 like straight to DVD, Like they're moving that shit right 2:01:11.240 --> 2:01:13.040 into the red box. And they just paid a guy 2:01:13.200 --> 2:01:15.240 forty five dollars to mock up a cover. 2:01:15.480 --> 2:01:17.800 Like he is it is it is it is. It 2:01:17.920 --> 2:01:23.080 is a to B and direct to digital make I do. 2:01:23.440 --> 2:01:25.880 He's like it looks like it's like like being developed 2:01:25.920 --> 2:01:27.520 in a dock room. It's like red and black. 2:01:27.640 --> 2:01:30.120 It's like all red and black. His eyes are glowing blue. 2:01:30.200 --> 2:01:31.280 He's a skit. 2:01:31.680 --> 2:01:33.920 It appears to be like a long a springfield long 2:01:34.040 --> 2:01:35.920 rifle or something like that. I couldn't tell you the 2:01:36.040 --> 2:01:40.040 exact type, but that does I am now thinking about, Like, so, 2:01:40.240 --> 2:01:42.720 if you've ever loaded black powder, you tend to like 2:01:42.840 --> 2:01:46.200 have you know, like a wrapped you know, cartridge that's 2:01:46.200 --> 2:01:47.760 got the ball and the powder and you rip it 2:01:47.800 --> 2:01:49.760 in half in your mouth and you pour the powder 2:01:49.800 --> 2:01:52.160 and then you like expect the anyway, Trump is such 2:01:52.200 --> 2:01:54.920 a germophobe. I just desperately want to see him try 2:01:55.040 --> 2:01:57.800 to like manage a black powder rifle. I would, I 2:01:57.840 --> 2:02:01.600 would really deeply enjoy that. It's as good as a 2:02:01.960 --> 2:02:05.640 Tucker Carlson shooting. They like the sec fire rifle was 2:02:05.680 --> 2:02:07.800 a very funny moment. Yeah, the guys who pretend to 2:02:07.880 --> 2:02:08.920 light guns so. 2:02:09.800 --> 2:02:13.320 And then the the other more horror inspired one has 2:02:13.440 --> 2:02:16.360 has texted the bottom that says it's time to just 2:02:16.640 --> 2:02:20.280 kill them with again with triumph and red lacer eyes. 2:02:21.360 --> 2:02:21.760 I was. 2:02:22.320 --> 2:02:25.960 I was upset to find out that the original person, 2:02:26.560 --> 2:02:30.040 like the original like Nazi who coined the term dark Mega, 2:02:30.120 --> 2:02:32.840 which which which kind of started this trend. Uh followed 2:02:32.920 --> 2:02:36.720 me on Twitter, which wasn't wasn't great? Oh no, oh no, 2:02:37.640 --> 2:02:41.200 yeah yeah, so that was that was a fun thing 2:02:41.240 --> 2:02:44.480 I discovered over the course of researching this episode. So 2:02:45.320 --> 2:02:48.480 one pro Trump and neo Nazi described dark Mega as such, 2:02:48.640 --> 2:02:52.080 quote dark Mega is the aesthetic demand that Trump embrace 2:02:52.160 --> 2:02:54.920 a harder and more focused approach in the role only 2:02:55.080 --> 2:02:58.800 he can fill. He was too kind hearted, too forgiving 2:02:59.400 --> 2:03:05.040 Dark Mega demands he learned from his mistakes. Another dark 2:03:05.120 --> 2:03:08.560 Mega propelled it just described uh described the intentionality behind 2:03:08.560 --> 2:03:11.360 the movement of being quote if you want to win, 2:03:11.680 --> 2:03:14.120 if you don't want to repeat the past, you have 2:03:14.320 --> 2:03:17.720 to get mean. You have to almost embrace the villain 2:03:17.880 --> 2:03:23.600 role that they're bringing you with. So that's fun. But uh, 2:03:23.880 --> 2:03:26.240 but like dark Mega's ambitions were to be more than 2:03:26.400 --> 2:03:29.240 just a meme, but instead kind of be the first 2:03:29.320 --> 2:03:32.680 real attempt at a coherent post at right aesthetic that 2:03:32.840 --> 2:03:36.879 was being pushed by mainstream political actors Uh. And included 2:03:36.960 --> 2:03:40.760 in this push was kind of a pressuring back toward 2:03:41.160 --> 2:03:45.680 militant posturing after the failed pseudo coup on January sixth, 2:03:45.960 --> 2:03:48.520 because in those first few months after JA six, everyone 2:03:48.640 --> 2:03:51.560 was like, oh, you know, we probably shouldn't be doing 2:03:51.760 --> 2:03:55.600 super overt like violent propaganda if we're if we're like 2:03:55.680 --> 2:03:58.120 on the right. And then over over time, and I 2:03:58.200 --> 2:04:00.920 think Dark Mega was part of this, was the right 2:04:01.040 --> 2:04:04.320 realizing that maybe they should just keep going and like 2:04:04.560 --> 2:04:07.640 go back to that much more kind of like Milton 2:04:07.720 --> 2:04:10.760 posturing that they were doing beforehand. I have, I've I 2:04:10.840 --> 2:04:14.440 have a few other a few other dark Dark Mega 2:04:14.520 --> 2:04:18.080 images here one with Trump and a skull mask and 2:04:18.600 --> 2:04:21.920 UH and pit vipers holding a Bible in front of 2:04:21.960 --> 2:04:23.160 a pit vipers. 2:04:23.360 --> 2:04:27.320 Pit Vipers are a type of like ski sunglasses that 2:04:27.760 --> 2:04:30.200 have a very distinctive look. There's nothing wrong with them. 2:04:30.240 --> 2:04:32.240 The company is actually anti Nazi. 2:04:32.560 --> 2:04:32.720 Yeah. 2:04:32.800 --> 2:04:35.680 Never people post their pit vipers pictures. They will like 2:04:35.840 --> 2:04:38.560 donate the price of that pair of pit vipers to 2:04:39.080 --> 2:04:41.720 you know, the ad L or something. But they've become 2:04:41.920 --> 2:04:45.280 a signifier for Nazis for reasons that we probably don't 2:04:45.280 --> 2:04:45.880 need to explain it. 2:04:46.200 --> 2:04:48.520 No, but you can read an article by me and 2:04:48.640 --> 2:04:50.280 Robert and Bellingcatter about white boys. 2:04:50.840 --> 2:04:55.040 Want you really need that right now if you really 2:04:55.080 --> 2:04:56.760 want to hear more about pit vipers. 2:04:58.080 --> 2:04:59.840 Yeah, we can explain this ship at length. 2:05:00.080 --> 2:05:02.680 Row and then and then I have these two other 2:05:02.760 --> 2:05:05.600 images of Trump in front of these American flags, and 2:05:05.760 --> 2:05:08.120 one of them's edited in a glitchy style with him 2:05:08.160 --> 2:05:10.880 holding a It looks like some type like machine gun 2:05:11.000 --> 2:05:13.640 or something. Tommy, Yeah, it might be. 2:05:14.160 --> 2:05:16.520 It can't really tast too small to see. No, No, 2:05:16.680 --> 2:05:19.200 that's got to be some sort of like either ar 2:05:19.440 --> 2:05:22.400 nine millimeter carbine with a suppressor on. It is what 2:05:22.480 --> 2:05:23.680 it looks like to me. 2:05:23.960 --> 2:05:27.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's generic. He's 2:05:27.440 --> 2:05:31.000 gonna yeah, it's kind of Wolfenstein style almost that one. 2:05:31.120 --> 2:05:34.320 Yeah, all of these guys are obsessed with Wolfenstein. Yes, 2:05:34.560 --> 2:05:37.880 oh yeah, very good, James, you figured it out. 2:05:38.440 --> 2:05:41.800 There's a longer conversation to be had because Wolfenstein the 2:05:41.840 --> 2:05:46.080 most recent game, not a pro Nazi game, anti Nazi, 2:05:46.280 --> 2:05:48.760 but because you know, it's it's a game where like 2:05:48.840 --> 2:05:51.400 the Nazis won the war and you're like fighting the YadA, YadA, YadA, 2:05:51.520 --> 2:05:53.960 because they're trying to do like future Nazi troopers, and 2:05:54.000 --> 2:05:55.600 it's like a video game where you want to make 2:05:55.600 --> 2:05:57.240 the bad guys look cool, same thing as like making 2:05:57.240 --> 2:05:58.720 the demons look cool and doom and. 2:05:58.760 --> 2:06:06.640 That you know, very very selectively edited clips of Wolfenstein 2:06:06.720 --> 2:06:10.560 cut scenes and music appears in fashwave propaganda fairly often. 2:06:10.920 --> 2:06:13.200 The Pierce in schizowave propaganda, which is kind of another 2:06:13.800 --> 2:06:16.640 downstream iteration of vash wave, which I am not going 2:06:16.720 --> 2:06:19.760 to cover on this episode. And I guess the one 2:06:19.800 --> 2:06:22.200 other meme style we have here is red and dark 2:06:22.240 --> 2:06:25.280 blue monochrome with Trump with these blue laser eyes. And 2:06:25.400 --> 2:06:27.960 this is kind of the this is like the main 2:06:28.120 --> 2:06:31.040 dark mega aesthetic here is this one that's just like 2:06:31.600 --> 2:06:35.760 red with with with with like a dark dark blue 2:06:36.000 --> 2:06:39.560 as like the accent and then these little laser eye things. 2:06:41.520 --> 2:06:45.840 So dark megas had the goal of serving as both 2:06:45.920 --> 2:06:49.920 a rebrand and an attempt to reunify the various disparate 2:06:50.040 --> 2:06:54.040 factions of the online right into using attention grabbing authoritarian 2:06:54.120 --> 2:06:58.240 propaganda to push Trump and his supporters even further into 2:06:58.280 --> 2:07:02.760 the extreme while holding on the legitimacy that is lacking 2:07:02.880 --> 2:07:05.960 in the contemporary sketchiness of like the Proud Boy groups 2:07:06.080 --> 2:07:09.360 or like Patriot Front, which especially after J six, the 2:07:09.440 --> 2:07:12.760 Proud Boys legitimacy took a big hit, and all of 2:07:12.840 --> 2:07:15.320 these fucking Dark Mega guys think that Patriot Front's like 2:07:15.360 --> 2:07:19.160 a fed op. So it's it's it's it's it's a 2:07:19.240 --> 2:07:20.920 it's a way to kind of like push a new 2:07:21.000 --> 2:07:23.400 version of the alt right that still relies on the 2:07:23.520 --> 2:07:27.600 legitimacy of Trump. To quote the Institute for Strategic Dialogue quote, 2:07:27.920 --> 2:07:31.160 the secondary aim of Dark Mega is to launder more 2:07:31.240 --> 2:07:35.360 extreme narratives and aesthetics into the mainstream Trumpist movement, an 2:07:35.400 --> 2:07:38.960 attempt to introduce mainstream conservatives to more extreme parts of 2:07:39.040 --> 2:07:43.480 the right through melding Trump memes with these different aesthetics. So, 2:07:44.040 --> 2:07:47.480 like we kind of mentioned before, the previous attempt at 2:07:47.520 --> 2:07:50.360 this was the White Boy Summer trend from twenty twenty one, 2:07:50.480 --> 2:07:54.160 which I and Robert have already wrote about before. And 2:07:54.440 --> 2:07:57.040 White Boy Summer was influenced by very similar kind of 2:07:57.200 --> 2:08:00.960 fash wave telegram asthetics, but it was really successful in 2:08:01.120 --> 2:08:05.879 leaking through to one or two Republican politicians, namely Paul Gosar. 2:08:06.600 --> 2:08:08.880 Paul Gosar, you can look him up if you want 2:08:08.960 --> 2:08:11.840 He's one of the Republicans who had a degree of 2:08:11.920 --> 2:08:15.560 mainstream legitimacy and was also super tight with like just 2:08:15.680 --> 2:08:19.640 straight up we want to set off Bomb's place as Nazis. Yeah. 2:08:20.800 --> 2:08:24.240 But Dark Mega, on the other hand, was picked up 2:08:24.360 --> 2:08:27.800 by a large handful of conservative politicians as well as 2:08:27.880 --> 2:08:31.240 like the usual suspects made up of right wing influencers 2:08:31.280 --> 2:08:35.240 and content creators. Among the Dark Mega proponents were Republican 2:08:35.280 --> 2:08:39.120 candidates like Tim Swain, a former strategist now Blazed TV 2:08:39.240 --> 2:08:44.000 employee Logan Hall, Andrew McCarthy, far right propagandist Jack Sobiek 2:08:44.880 --> 2:08:50.320 now former Congressman Madison Cawthorne, and former White House lawyer 2:08:50.480 --> 2:08:56.040 Andrew Closter, and was even boosted by the father of accelerationism, 2:08:56.520 --> 2:09:03.680 Nick Land, was a brief Dark Mega proponent himself. Famously, 2:09:03.800 --> 2:09:06.760 Marjorie Taylor Green joined in on the action in May 2:09:06.840 --> 2:09:10.520 of twenty twenty two under the hashtag ultra Mega, but 2:09:10.640 --> 2:09:14.840 with the same like red monochrome images with the big 2:09:15.080 --> 2:09:21.600 glowing eyes. Probably the most upsetting bit of Dark Mega 2:09:21.680 --> 2:09:26.040 lore was a post that Madison Cawthorne wrote on Instagram. 2:09:26.440 --> 2:09:30.240 He had this post full of like here's the list 2:09:31.200 --> 2:09:34.000 of America First Conservatives. Look how small the list actually 2:09:34.080 --> 2:09:37.200 is the people who are truly America First. And attached 2:09:37.240 --> 2:09:40.160 to this little image of this list, he wrote an 2:09:40.240 --> 2:09:44.080 extremely unhinged Dark Mega post. This was also in May 2:09:44.120 --> 2:09:48.240 of twenty twenty two. Quote the time for genteel politics 2:09:48.280 --> 2:09:51.360 as usual has come to an end. It's time for 2:09:51.480 --> 2:09:55.200 the rise of the new Right. It's time for Dark 2:09:55.320 --> 2:09:59.400 Mega to truly take command. We have an enemy to defeat, 2:09:59.600 --> 2:10:01.560 but we will will never be able to defeat them 2:10:01.920 --> 2:10:05.200 until we defeat the cowardly and weak members of our 2:10:05.280 --> 2:10:10.040 own party. Their days are numbered. We are coming unquote. 2:10:10.960 --> 2:10:16.640 So this rhetoric did not secure Vess and cawthorne continued 2:10:16.680 --> 2:10:18.800 employment in the House of Representatives. 2:10:19.280 --> 2:10:25.120 Yeah, it turns out most people in national politics are 2:10:25.200 --> 2:10:29.520 not entirely telegram brained. They cannot just had their skulls 2:10:29.600 --> 2:10:30.720 melted by that shit. 2:10:33.640 --> 2:10:40.480 So yeah to quote, so yeah to quote. An analysis 2:10:40.560 --> 2:10:43.680 from the Global Network on Extremism and Technology quote, Dark 2:10:43.760 --> 2:10:47.600 Mega is an embodiment of the revenge president burst from 2:10:47.720 --> 2:10:50.880 the far rights urge to reclaim what they crave and 2:10:51.000 --> 2:10:55.040 have lost power. Proponents seek to punish their political enemies 2:10:55.080 --> 2:10:59.120 without attending to political correctness. Dark Mega is an appeal 2:10:59.240 --> 2:11:03.120 to accept the tr true desires of the most dissident 2:11:03.360 --> 2:11:07.280 Trump supporters and mainstream their feelings through the medium of memes, 2:11:07.560 --> 2:11:11.520 which played a crucial role in twenty sixteen election. So 2:11:12.040 --> 2:11:14.920 dark Mega peaked as an online search topic back in 2:11:15.000 --> 2:11:17.600 May of twenty twenty two, and it may have reached 2:11:17.680 --> 2:11:21.560 like peak popularity in actual like spread of memes as 2:11:21.640 --> 2:11:24.560 early as March of twenty twenty two. I think I 2:11:24.600 --> 2:11:26.120 think it peaked in May because there was a few 2:11:26.160 --> 2:11:28.280 news articles about it, so more kind of normies were 2:11:28.400 --> 2:11:31.280 like googling what it was. But it act the actual 2:11:31.360 --> 2:11:33.520 peak was only in March of twenty twenty two. It 2:11:33.640 --> 2:11:37.680 only lasted like three months. You can you can still 2:11:37.800 --> 2:11:42.520 find some dark Mega bubbling under the surface, but only 2:11:42.680 --> 2:11:45.480 by like random Nazis and like that doesn't that doesn't 2:11:45.520 --> 2:11:47.880 that that's not signifying any kind of like political movement. 2:11:49.440 --> 2:11:53.400 And the reason why dark Mega kind of stopped being 2:11:53.480 --> 2:11:56.600 effective in between between March and May of twenty twenty 2:11:56.640 --> 2:12:00.280 two is that there was there was there was something 2:12:00.360 --> 2:12:03.160 that happened that summer uh and and that spring that 2:12:03.400 --> 2:12:07.520 effectively killed dark Mega while also dealing a pretty big 2:12:07.680 --> 2:12:11.280 body blow to fast Wave in general, and we will 2:12:11.400 --> 2:12:16.720 learn more about about Brandon's special secret operation in part two. 2:12:16.960 --> 2:12:19.440 That's right, this is going to be a surprise two 2:12:19.600 --> 2:12:22.320 parter because because I wrote get too many words. 2:12:22.880 --> 2:12:25.960 Yeah, yeah, because this took an hour and a half 2:12:26.120 --> 2:12:30.320 to record of dense, dense information. So now now it's 2:12:30.360 --> 2:12:32.640 two days. You guys get to enjoy this for two days. 2:12:48.520 --> 2:12:50.640 Yeah. I hope you guys have a wonderful Christmas as well. 2:12:52.760 --> 2:12:53.600 Let's go Brandon. 2:12:54.200 --> 2:12:55.040 Let's go Brandon. 2:12:55.120 --> 2:12:58.080 I agree, let's uh, let's talk about let's go Brandon. 2:12:58.960 --> 2:13:03.520 The iintained the only good thing Biden has done so far. 2:13:05.360 --> 2:13:11.240 It's pretty funny. It's very funny. So this is like 2:13:11.440 --> 2:13:15.240 also the sort of attitude that is actually necessary to 2:13:15.480 --> 2:13:18.560 like win the culture war side of these things. It's 2:13:18.600 --> 2:13:21.400 not like defending yourself. And it's not when they do 2:13:21.600 --> 2:13:24.480 something like put out this meme, like being like, oh 2:13:24.560 --> 2:13:27.720 my god, this is so dangerous and like semi responsible, 2:13:27.960 --> 2:13:31.240 no funk with him right back, you know, like boh, 2:13:31.880 --> 2:13:34.520 put some glowing eyes on Joe Biden and make it 2:13:34.600 --> 2:13:37.920 looks like he plans to shoot somebody. You know, it's funny. 2:13:38.760 --> 2:13:42.160 So let's talk about the rise of Dark Brandon. 2:13:42.680 --> 2:13:46.040 And also the other thing that they're kind of deterning 2:13:46.160 --> 2:13:50.360 and reposting with here is like taking the uh what 2:13:50.560 --> 2:13:56.040 is it, taking the fucking Brandon memes and let's go 2:13:56.160 --> 2:13:59.040 Brandon and going uh being like all right, yeah, fuck it, 2:13:59.120 --> 2:14:02.400 call him Brandon. Doesn't hurt us, like, yeah, we'll be branded. 2:14:02.480 --> 2:14:05.760 But Biden did that himself when someone asked him about it, 2:14:05.840 --> 2:14:07.640 he didn't know what it meant, and he was like, yeah. 2:14:07.520 --> 2:14:08.400 Let's go Brandon. 2:14:08.800 --> 2:14:11.280 I actually I actually already had that clip inserted of 2:14:11.640 --> 2:14:14.760 above this conversation James, good job, good job, We're on 2:14:14.840 --> 2:14:15.400 the same page. 2:14:15.880 --> 2:14:18.080 Yeah, which is disturbing given the content. 2:14:18.440 --> 2:14:22.920 So Dark Brandon combines two different pro Trump memes while 2:14:23.000 --> 2:14:26.120 trying to subvert them both pretty successfully. I would say, 2:14:26.840 --> 2:14:30.920 I'm assuming everyone listening to this is familiar with the 2:14:31.040 --> 2:14:34.000 fuck Joe Biden, let's go Brandon kind of evolution, So 2:14:34.040 --> 2:14:36.680 I'm just gonna skip right past that because the other 2:14:36.760 --> 2:14:38.640 half of Dark Brandon, I think is a little bit 2:14:38.640 --> 2:14:43.520 more interesting. So Dark Brandon began with chronically online leftists 2:14:43.640 --> 2:14:47.960 doing a satirical riff on Dark Mega, replacing the figure 2:14:48.040 --> 2:14:51.760 of Trump with an alter ego of Biden and having 2:14:51.800 --> 2:14:55.120 this like mirror universe president appear as some kind of 2:14:55.320 --> 2:15:00.360 like neoliberal socialist demagogue, because when you replace the fascist 2:15:00.440 --> 2:15:05.080 figure with some largely ineffectual liberal given like militaristic and 2:15:05.200 --> 2:15:09.640 socialist or anti fascist catchphrases, but like otherwise leave the 2:15:09.720 --> 2:15:14.120 rest of the authoritarian, ascetic stylings of fascism, the result 2:15:14.240 --> 2:15:17.879 is pretty funny because it's Joe Biden. 2:15:18.520 --> 2:15:18.720 Yeah. 2:15:20.880 --> 2:15:24.600 So again, I think I've read a lot of stuff 2:15:24.640 --> 2:15:27.080 on this, and there's like a two two to like 2:15:27.120 --> 2:15:29.120 academic reports on on Dark Brandon. 2:15:29.640 --> 2:15:29.760 Uh. 2:15:30.000 --> 2:15:33.600 Some people believe that Dark Brandon started as like a 2:15:33.840 --> 2:15:36.640 right wing meme. They are they are mistaken. They are 2:15:36.760 --> 2:15:41.600 misreading irony poisoned leftists as being like like alt right memesters. 2:15:41.960 --> 2:15:45.000 Common common mistake, but also yeah. 2:15:46.160 --> 2:15:48.640 You would because she you wouldn't want to be stuck 2:15:48.720 --> 2:15:50.640 in a car with any of them right now. 2:15:54.760 --> 2:15:59.720 But Dark Brandon evolved into satirically imagining what if Joe 2:15:59.760 --> 2:16:03.440 Biden aiden was actually the militant communist dictator many on 2:16:03.560 --> 2:16:05.760 the right made him out to be, with all of 2:16:05.840 --> 2:16:09.080 the authoritarian impulses of Dark Mega turned on its head 2:16:09.120 --> 2:16:14.080 and ironically targeted against Trumpian conservatives, Dark Brandon can be 2:16:14.200 --> 2:16:17.720 seen hunting down a Trump voters for execution, or sitting 2:16:17.800 --> 2:16:20.760 on a throne of air fifteen's with yellow laser eyes, 2:16:22.680 --> 2:16:26.080 gonna I'm gonna play. I'm gonna play one video for 2:16:26.200 --> 2:16:26.960 us to watch here. 2:16:30.280 --> 2:16:31.040 Voted for president. 2:16:31.800 --> 2:16:37.960 There's no way out you Joe Biden's America. 2:16:38.240 --> 2:16:40.160 He's putting on a skullman. 2:16:44.320 --> 2:16:46.560 Tie me to a missile and fire me into the suburbs. 2:16:47.320 --> 2:16:53.840 I'm ready, genuinely quite amazing. 2:16:54.480 --> 2:16:58.520 It's pretty funny. It's pretty funny stuff. I do like 2:16:58.680 --> 2:17:01.600 the way that like Dark Brandon ed its work is 2:17:01.879 --> 2:17:04.880 there's there's there's this one smile that Biden does that 2:17:05.040 --> 2:17:08.320 looks very like evil and mischievous that if you edit it, 2:17:08.800 --> 2:17:11.840 if you like edit in after you says something ridiculous, 2:17:11.879 --> 2:17:15.880 it's pretty funny. So here we have a meme about 2:17:16.200 --> 2:17:20.520 Joe Biden publicly executing Patriot Front members after they got 2:17:20.600 --> 2:17:27.280 arrested in Idaho. And probably my favorite Dark branded meme 2:17:27.640 --> 2:17:31.320 is a picture of Biden with sunglasses and a list 2:17:31.360 --> 2:17:36.720 of names. Has shinzo albe neutralized, gas prices neutralized, COVID 2:17:36.800 --> 2:17:43.640 nineteen neutralized, Antifa fully armed? Roe v Wade too coming soon, 2:17:44.200 --> 2:17:51.440 Global Homo coming soon, Communism coming soon, which is pretty funny. 2:17:52.040 --> 2:17:52.480 It's good. 2:17:53.120 --> 2:17:55.760 So one of the reasons that Dark Brandon was able 2:17:55.800 --> 2:17:59.720 to flourish where Dark Mega stagnated is that the Biden 2:17:59.800 --> 2:18:03.080 verse is both based on and never lost its sense 2:18:03.120 --> 2:18:07.560 of irony, imagining the feeble, bumbling Biden as some like 2:18:07.720 --> 2:18:11.920 hard lined, ruthlessly effective tyrant is in it is like 2:18:12.000 --> 2:18:15.359 in innately humorous premise from like from the very beginning. 2:18:15.800 --> 2:18:18.680 The ironic nature also made a Dark Brandon all but 2:18:18.879 --> 2:18:22.520 impervious from attack by conservative commentators on the right, because like, 2:18:22.959 --> 2:18:25.080 how can you attack this vibe like it's it's so 2:18:25.360 --> 2:18:27.560 ironic and absurd that like there's no way to be like, 2:18:27.920 --> 2:18:32.960 look how dangerous the dark brighton memes, eyes glo, what 2:18:33.200 --> 2:18:33.840 like come. 2:18:33.760 --> 2:18:34.240 On, come on? 2:18:34.400 --> 2:18:40.360 Guess. So Dark Brandon grew in popularity as Biden's Inflation 2:18:40.480 --> 2:18:44.360 Reduction Act also known as the IRA Past Last Summer 2:18:44.800 --> 2:18:50.120 and memes out of that too, and it also it 2:18:50.320 --> 2:18:54.080 also kind of spread Afternows broke that an American drone 2:18:54.080 --> 2:18:57.000 strike killed the then leader of al Qaeda on July 2:18:57.160 --> 2:19:01.160 thirty first, twenty twenty two. Sound this time period is 2:19:01.240 --> 2:19:04.840 when Dark Brandon broke containment. So Dark Brandon kind of 2:19:04.879 --> 2:19:08.640 started in March of twenty twenty two, and by early 2:19:08.720 --> 2:19:13.520 August it has now left the irony poisoned leftist like 2:19:13.760 --> 2:19:17.160 Twitter sphere and has now broken out and is freely 2:19:17.280 --> 2:19:22.840 swimming around the liberal populace. So come August, Dark Brandon 2:19:23.040 --> 2:19:26.880 no longer belonged to leftist ship posters. Liberals started to 2:19:27.040 --> 2:19:29.760 catch on and make Dark Brandon memes of their own, 2:19:30.120 --> 2:19:35.960 albeit much more cringey boomer versions, And although most of 2:19:36.000 --> 2:19:40.240 these liberals probably didn't really know what was quite being satirized, 2:19:40.640 --> 2:19:43.480 that didn't stop them from trying to emulate this cooler, 2:19:43.640 --> 2:19:47.360 more edgy version of Biden with glowing eyes. So here 2:19:47.440 --> 2:19:53.000 I have two liberal memes here, with someone reacting to 2:19:53.080 --> 2:19:55.840 the news that there was no civilian casualties in the 2:19:55.879 --> 2:20:00.920 drone strike at Kilty al Kainda leader having Biden shooting 2:20:01.000 --> 2:20:03.840 laser eyes down from orbit, and then also him eating 2:20:03.879 --> 2:20:06.640 ice cream in front of an explosion, which is horrible, 2:20:06.720 --> 2:20:09.760 like a not very good meme, but the fact that 2:20:09.840 --> 2:20:13.240 there was bad, like very very bad, low quality dark 2:20:13.280 --> 2:20:15.720 branded memes is actually very important for later. 2:20:16.080 --> 2:20:18.920 Yes, yeah, yes, no, it's good that this happened. 2:20:19.200 --> 2:20:22.440 Yes, the Internet has taken notice, and now there's a 2:20:22.520 --> 2:20:27.119 new meme out there known as dark Brandon, which shows 2:20:27.160 --> 2:20:32.840 a badass Biden with super villain laser beam eye malls. 2:20:34.640 --> 2:20:38.920 The liberalization of dark Brandon was met with sadness from 2:20:38.959 --> 2:20:43.720 the original memesters that pioneered the overtly ironic dictatorial Brandon 2:20:44.000 --> 2:20:48.880 who commanded battalions of Antifa. The ongoing liberal co option 2:20:48.959 --> 2:20:51.320 of dark Brandon was thought to signal the death of 2:20:51.360 --> 2:20:55.760 the meme, although a completely unintended positive side effect of 2:20:55.879 --> 2:20:59.840 this recuperation seems to be taking hold. We'll have more 2:21:00.120 --> 2:21:02.760 that later. I have I have a four other pretty 2:21:02.840 --> 2:21:04.599 bad dark Brandon memes. 2:21:04.320 --> 2:21:08.720 Here go on with corn ROAs is fully fully sent me. 2:21:10.440 --> 2:21:12.560 It's not good. There's there's two of these are like 2:21:12.640 --> 2:21:19.840 photoshop movie posters with Biden's face extremely poorly photoshopps on Tomeo's. 2:21:19.720 --> 2:21:25.000 Ship photoshops again this is MS paint. 2:21:26.360 --> 2:21:30.800 Yeah, and then a poster for the Dark Brandon rises 2:21:30.959 --> 2:21:35.000 with the tagline that the malarchy will end. Not not 2:21:35.280 --> 2:21:42.279 very good memes. So it wasn't just overly online democrats 2:21:42.320 --> 2:21:44.920 on social media who were spreading these dark branded memes. 2:21:45.320 --> 2:21:49.600 Soon enough, White House staff joined in to celebrate the 2:21:49.680 --> 2:21:53.480 passing of the kind of Neutered Inflation Reduction Act. On 2:21:53.640 --> 2:21:57.160 August seventh, the White House Digital Director shared a high 2:21:57.240 --> 2:22:01.400 contrast photo of Biden grinning with red laser eyes pointed 2:22:01.520 --> 2:22:05.360 towards the camera that quickly went viral. Senator Chris Murphy 2:22:05.400 --> 2:22:08.320 of Connecticut posted a dark branded meme which was a 2:22:08.520 --> 2:22:11.800 drawing with yellow glowing eyes later that same day, and 2:22:12.000 --> 2:22:16.080 the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee posted the same 2:22:16.200 --> 2:22:19.840 picture as well, and the Deputy White House Press Secretary 2:22:19.959 --> 2:22:24.200 Andrew Bates posted a whole ass dark branded meme, writing 2:22:24.800 --> 2:22:28.360 dark Brandon is crushing it with a horribly cringing photo 2:22:28.720 --> 2:22:32.560 abided with red laser eyes and a white text that reads, 2:22:32.959 --> 2:22:35.879 your malarkey has been going on for long enough. 2:22:35.800 --> 2:22:39.640 Kiddo, Like, oh my god, oh my god. Now you 2:22:39.760 --> 2:22:42.240 know what, Garrison, we were just celebrating this, but I 2:22:42.320 --> 2:22:43.680 think I am now a fascist. 2:22:44.560 --> 2:22:49.560 It's done it. The White House Staff Secretary joined in 2:22:49.680 --> 2:22:52.720 by responding to a tweet saying laser's shooting out of 2:22:52.800 --> 2:22:56.279 Joe Biden's eyes is an official statement of administration policy 2:22:56.640 --> 2:23:02.359 by saying that is indeed an official physician what anyway? 2:23:02.520 --> 2:23:04.160 So God damn it. 2:23:04.879 --> 2:23:08.800 Many people, myself included, suspected that Dark Branded would suffer 2:23:08.879 --> 2:23:11.760 through kind of a regular meme cycle and die off 2:23:11.840 --> 2:23:15.400 pretty soon once it hit this like peak popularity, But 2:23:15.640 --> 2:23:20.360 somehow Brandon showed a surprising amount of resiliency, partially due 2:23:20.360 --> 2:23:23.520 to liberals being a few months behind and they're being 2:23:23.600 --> 2:23:27.120 really nothing else for liberals to meme about, because this 2:23:27.320 --> 2:23:30.160 was like one of the this time in Biden's presidency 2:23:30.240 --> 2:23:32.200 was the first time the Democrats actually felt like they 2:23:32.240 --> 2:23:36.080 had something to celebrate, and having this kind of overly 2:23:36.200 --> 2:23:39.640 outrageous kind of joking meme was like the first bit 2:23:39.760 --> 2:23:43.160 of like agit prop that liberals have like done since 2:23:43.240 --> 2:23:45.440 Trump went out of office, and it's also like the 2:23:45.520 --> 2:23:48.080 first effective edgeprop they've ever done period. 2:23:48.760 --> 2:23:48.920 Now. 2:23:49.200 --> 2:23:53.720 Dark Brandon showed one other surprising trait very soon, the 2:23:53.840 --> 2:23:58.879 ability to influence actual Joe Biden. On September first, Biden 2:23:58.959 --> 2:24:02.520 gave a prime time bombastic speech addressed to the nation 2:24:02.879 --> 2:24:06.000 and spoke about the threats to American democracy from extremist 2:24:06.120 --> 2:24:10.840 mega forces. Joe Biden stood outside of Independence Haul in Philadelphia, 2:24:11.360 --> 2:24:14.960 lit with high contrast red lights and uniformed marines on 2:24:15.080 --> 2:24:19.599 either side. Far right politicians and influencers reacted with shakunhorror, 2:24:19.760 --> 2:24:24.560 calling the speech demagogic, outrageous, and divisive, while liberals and 2:24:24.640 --> 2:24:27.880 even some leftists praised the speech for accurately addressing the 2:24:28.000 --> 2:24:31.520 threat posed by far right actors in this country. But 2:24:31.800 --> 2:24:34.800 both of those on the right end left definitely noticed 2:24:34.879 --> 2:24:39.640 the frank brandonness of the entire thing, especially with this 2:24:39.760 --> 2:24:42.040 being less than a month after the White House's own 2:24:42.240 --> 2:24:45.840 Brandon posting. The red lights, the background marines, and the 2:24:45.920 --> 2:24:49.040 impassioned and oddly well delivered appeal to fight for the 2:24:49.160 --> 2:24:52.279 soul of the country from the Trumpian mega extremist political 2:24:52.360 --> 2:24:57.760 faction set on dismantling democracy played very well. The whole 2:24:57.840 --> 2:25:01.039 thing felt very Dark brandon Esque, and the takeaway many 2:25:01.040 --> 2:25:04.800 people had is that they had somehow memed Dark Brandon 2:25:04.920 --> 2:25:12.320 into existence. Do you know who else you don't want 2:25:12.360 --> 2:25:16.720 to fuck with? It's the products and services that support 2:25:17.000 --> 2:25:22.920 this vital, academic level research into Dark Brandon. Truly truly 2:25:23.080 --> 2:25:27.760 unparalleled work on the part of myself. You're welcome, here's 2:25:27.800 --> 2:25:32.080 fucking ads. All right, we are back. Let's talk even 2:25:32.200 --> 2:25:36.680 more about Dark Brandon. I cannot believe I wrote three 2:25:36.760 --> 2:25:38.960 thousand over three thousand words on this all right, So, 2:25:39.800 --> 2:25:43.480 like many natural predators, Dark Brandon went through a period 2:25:43.520 --> 2:25:48.200 of hibernation, laying dormant through most of the winter, that is, 2:25:48.480 --> 2:25:52.560 until a huge resurgence in April of this year. This 2:25:52.720 --> 2:25:55.520 past April, Biden launched his new twenty twenty four re 2:25:55.680 --> 2:25:59.880 election campaign website, which not only featured a Dark Brandon 2:26:00.200 --> 2:26:04.560 error four oh four page reading your Lost Jack, Let's 2:26:04.600 --> 2:26:08.760 get you back on the rails, which is kind of 2:26:08.879 --> 2:26:11.360 funny but not really funny because it's doing the whole 2:26:11.440 --> 2:26:14.440 like Biden and track reference And it's kind of funny 2:26:14.440 --> 2:26:16.280 because it's like a four oh four page, So it's 2:26:16.360 --> 2:26:19.320 like it's Dark Brandon telling you to get back to 2:26:19.400 --> 2:26:22.200 the regular website because you're now on like the the 2:26:22.480 --> 2:26:24.879 part of the website that doesn't exist, because like Dark 2:26:24.920 --> 2:26:28.480 Brandon doesn't exist. It's not I'm overthinking this. I'm doing 2:26:28.560 --> 2:26:32.720 way too high concept. It's like Beaudry art analysis of this. 2:26:33.000 --> 2:26:36.040 This joke is not that good. But beyond the Dark 2:26:36.080 --> 2:26:40.320 Brandon error four oh four page, there is also official 2:26:40.840 --> 2:26:47.320 Dark Brandon merchandise. Biden's Dark Line features dark blue monochrome 2:26:47.360 --> 2:26:51.440 images of Biden or Brandon staring forward with red laser 2:26:51.520 --> 2:26:55.400 eyes and a mischievous grin. The design comes on baseball hats, 2:26:55.480 --> 2:26:59.920 t shirts, mugs, stickers, and tote bags. Product descriptions are 2:27:00.040 --> 2:27:05.280 as follows. Best worn while vanquishing malarkey. Protect yourself from 2:27:05.360 --> 2:27:09.400 malarkey and the sun with this dark cap, dark Brandon, 2:27:09.720 --> 2:27:16.000 dark Rose, dark dark Brandon, dark roast tea drinkers, Welcome, 2:27:16.400 --> 2:27:20.560 and and finally, the worst one malarkey is tot's over 2:27:21.080 --> 2:27:23.640 after we re elect President Biden. 2:27:24.240 --> 2:27:27.760 This is the This is like the Internet equivalent or 2:27:27.840 --> 2:27:29.800 the me I don't know what the I feel the 2:27:29.879 --> 2:27:32.480 same way I feel in like old Yeller when you're like, 2:27:32.560 --> 2:27:34.640 well the dog's got rabies, you got to shoot it, 2:27:34.760 --> 2:27:36.119 Like there's no other ethical way. 2:27:36.080 --> 2:27:39.600 To deal with This is like, but it's it hurts. 2:27:40.760 --> 2:27:43.480 It's like when someone's dad turns up to the skate park. 2:27:43.920 --> 2:27:45.640 This is what's happening here. 2:27:46.200 --> 2:27:49.360 Yeah, you've got to shoot them otherwise they'll give everyone rabies. Right, 2:27:49.480 --> 2:27:51.720 that's what you meant, James, Yeah, Yeah, it's time for 2:27:51.760 --> 2:27:52.440 their life to end. 2:27:52.520 --> 2:27:52.720 Yeah. 2:27:52.879 --> 2:27:55.920 This is also likely fascinating because like the fact that 2:27:56.400 --> 2:28:00.800 that Biden Joe Biden made assume direct control role, laser 2:28:00.840 --> 2:28:05.320 eye Dark merch before Trump did is wild and now 2:28:05.720 --> 2:28:09.080 Trump won't really ever be able to like capitalize on 2:28:09.160 --> 2:28:11.360 this sort of thing because Biden just beat him to 2:28:11.440 --> 2:28:13.640 the punch on this and and like in a way 2:28:13.680 --> 2:28:18.280 that's like not actually promoting fascism, which effectively, this, this 2:28:18.400 --> 2:28:22.000 whole thing effectively neutralized Trump's ability to cash in on 2:28:22.200 --> 2:28:25.720 Dark Mega and the fashwave aesthetic, which is just a 2:28:25.840 --> 2:28:29.120 pretty shocking and like amazing trajectory for fash wave. 2:28:29.800 --> 2:28:30.039 Yeah. 2:28:30.720 --> 2:28:30.920 Yeah. 2:28:31.000 --> 2:28:34.400 The latest appearance of Dark The latest appearance of Dark 2:28:34.440 --> 2:28:38.720 Brandon was during the White House Correspondence dinner this past April, 2:28:39.040 --> 2:28:43.640 when Biden handed off the podium to comedian Roy Wood Junior. 2:28:44.360 --> 2:28:47.080 Roy the partum is yours. 2:28:48.080 --> 2:28:51.120 I'm gonna be fine with your jokes, but I'm not 2:28:51.240 --> 2:28:52.720 sure about Dark Brandon. 2:28:57.240 --> 2:29:04.480 The limbs were so happy to have a meme, a meme. 2:29:05.040 --> 2:29:07.000 They got one, they got one, and they were just 2:29:08.000 --> 2:29:10.120 it's one of those things again, like like a little 2:29:10.200 --> 2:29:12.400 kid having to shoot his dog. I just I couldn't. 2:29:12.680 --> 2:29:14.360 You can't take it away from them. They were just 2:29:14.440 --> 2:29:14.920 so happy. 2:29:16.080 --> 2:29:18.959 I have I do have three. I selected the only 2:29:19.120 --> 2:29:22.000 three Dark branded memes I like. Here for the very end, 2:29:22.280 --> 2:29:24.760 one is just Biden in a beard and an eye patch. 2:29:24.800 --> 2:29:28.400 It says it's over. Jack one has Biden with a 2:29:28.560 --> 2:29:32.640 like a very like horrifyingly edited smile with laser eyes 2:29:34.600 --> 2:29:36.959 malarkey detected and it looks. 2:29:36.760 --> 2:29:39.360 Like the monster in a fucking like I don't I 2:29:39.400 --> 2:29:42.320 don't know exactly what from, but like demon teeth, like 2:29:42.959 --> 2:29:43.800 nightmare teeth. 2:29:44.120 --> 2:29:46.640 The leftists are so much better at making these memes 2:29:46.720 --> 2:29:50.760 than anyone else. And my favorite is this is a 2:29:50.959 --> 2:29:53.680 satirical rift on the this post has been fact checked 2:29:53.720 --> 2:29:57.200 by real American patriots. Trump Beam instead having an image 2:29:57.200 --> 2:29:59.840 of Dark Branded with laser eyes and saying this post 2:30:00.120 --> 2:30:06.040 was fact checked by real Dark branded acolytes. So this 2:30:06.160 --> 2:30:08.600 is like fun and good, right like this, this is fine, 2:30:09.120 --> 2:30:13.000 But there's actually a surprisingly like positive result from this 2:30:13.200 --> 2:30:16.800 whole Dark branden sega, because even as far back as 2:30:16.879 --> 2:30:20.240 August of twenty twenty two, myself, some research colleagues, and 2:30:20.280 --> 2:30:22.760 other journalists that I have like no connection to all 2:30:22.840 --> 2:30:26.360 started to kind of observe the same thing. The liberal 2:30:26.400 --> 2:30:30.040 recuperation of the fashwave style via Dark Brandon seemed to 2:30:30.240 --> 2:30:36.320 seriously damage fash Wave's legibility in right wing circles. The 2:30:36.520 --> 2:30:40.040 normy use of dark Brandon had already appeared to have 2:30:40.520 --> 2:30:43.520 ceased all of the dark megaposting because there was this 2:30:43.720 --> 2:30:48.800 influx of like Minion's Facebook Tier Brandon memes, which offered 2:30:49.320 --> 2:30:53.360 very strong levels of vicarious cringe that provided a social 2:30:53.520 --> 2:30:57.520 disincentive for anyone wanting to post laser eye dark Mega 2:30:57.560 --> 2:30:59.840 memes due to their fear of being associated, even just 2:30:59.879 --> 2:31:04.600 aethically associated with the liberal boomer Biden memes, which which 2:31:04.680 --> 2:31:09.119 now like represented this cringe and dead style. The widespread 2:31:09.200 --> 2:31:12.920 nature of Brandon laser eyes also seemed to seriously dampen 2:31:13.160 --> 2:31:17.680 the Patrick batemanification of characters like Homelander from The Boys, 2:31:18.000 --> 2:31:20.200 who was at the time becoming one of the far 2:31:20.320 --> 2:31:24.560 right's favorite memeable characters. Yeah, there are few things that 2:31:24.680 --> 2:31:28.840 these online nazi weirdos fear more than their special toys 2:31:28.920 --> 2:31:32.480 being played with by normies, because almost immediately they're like 2:31:32.760 --> 2:31:36.560 esoteric plaything loses all appeal once the normies like start 2:31:36.640 --> 2:31:37.000 using it. 2:31:37.640 --> 2:31:39.879 Like it's a signifier that you're part of the club, 2:31:40.080 --> 2:31:43.680 and if yeah, fucking the DNC is posting these memes, 2:31:43.720 --> 2:31:46.040 you're not part of the club anymore. Nope, Like, there's 2:31:46.080 --> 2:31:47.600 no it's not a club you want to be in. 2:31:47.720 --> 2:31:48.560 I guess yeah. 2:31:48.680 --> 2:31:51.800 So I still maintain that one of the best things 2:31:51.879 --> 2:31:55.600 Biden has done since taking office is utterly destroying fashwave 2:31:55.720 --> 2:32:01.160 by complete accident. I postulated this back in twenty twenty two, 2:32:01.480 --> 2:32:04.360 and it still pretty much holds true now. And it's 2:32:04.360 --> 2:32:06.920 not just my opinion either. Others have noticed that Brandon's 2:32:07.200 --> 2:32:11.000 disturbance in the far right to meme ecosystem has really 2:32:11.160 --> 2:32:14.240 taken effect. I'm going to quote Ali brielind in Mother 2:32:14.360 --> 2:32:17.920 Jones quote. The fashwave athetic has already seen its best 2:32:18.080 --> 2:32:21.240 days and wasn't as pervasive on the far right Internet 2:32:21.320 --> 2:32:24.160 as it used to be. But by associating himself with 2:32:24.280 --> 2:32:27.640 a meme style that had partially descended from it, Biden 2:32:27.800 --> 2:32:31.040 and his earnest staff and followers have probably made it 2:32:31.120 --> 2:32:34.720 impossible for neo nazi edge lords to make fashwave posts 2:32:34.760 --> 2:32:38.560 for at least a bit. By enlisting fascist meme offshoots, 2:32:38.600 --> 2:32:42.840 the administration unlocked a code. Earnest Democrats like Biden may 2:32:42.920 --> 2:32:45.920 have a hard time being cool on the Internet, but 2:32:46.080 --> 2:32:49.880 they can kill hip stuff that bad people like that 2:32:50.160 --> 2:32:55.200 is extremely powerful. They made fashwave a bit cringe. Do 2:32:55.240 --> 2:32:57.920 you know what else is a bit Crene Robert that 2:32:58.200 --> 2:33:01.320 breaks Garrison, the fact that we have to have advertising 2:33:01.720 --> 2:33:05.800 on my on my fash wave Biden Dark Dark Gear 2:33:05.920 --> 2:33:07.680 Brandon episode. 2:33:08.080 --> 2:33:12.000 Garrison, the only, the only purpose of studying or learning 2:33:12.080 --> 2:33:15.400 anything is to provide space for advertisements. That's not why 2:33:15.480 --> 2:33:16.080 we do at all. 2:33:16.440 --> 2:33:16.800 No more. 2:33:19.440 --> 2:33:21.840 Actually, do you know if you subscribe to the new 2:33:22.000 --> 2:33:25.960 Apple Premium, you can have no more molarki because there 2:33:25.959 --> 2:33:29.440 won't be any ads. So there you go. All right, 2:33:29.640 --> 2:33:31.880 we are back and we are finally finally going to 2:33:31.959 --> 2:33:37.440 talk about ron Ron DeSantis and and his his kind 2:33:37.480 --> 2:33:42.040 of fash wave misfire. So this happened about a year 2:33:42.240 --> 2:33:46.480 after Dark Brandon had taken control, so there was at 2:33:46.560 --> 2:33:49.120 least a like a good a good year's worth of 2:33:49.120 --> 2:33:52.959 buffer where fash wave was unacceptable and just not really 2:33:53.240 --> 2:33:57.560 even attempted because of how cringe it is at this point. 2:33:58.760 --> 2:34:01.880 But that did not stop the Dysantis war Room Twitter 2:34:01.959 --> 2:34:04.320 account from trying to do it. And then we will 2:34:04.360 --> 2:34:08.160 see what the right's reaction to this was. So, like 2:34:08.240 --> 2:34:10.640 I said at the beginning of the beginning of this episode, 2:34:10.879 --> 2:34:14.039 on the last day of Pride Month, DeSantis's campaign shared 2:34:14.080 --> 2:34:17.720 a video on their Dasanta's war Room account attacking Trump 2:34:17.800 --> 2:34:21.360 for previously held positions seemingly in support of LGBTQ people 2:34:22.280 --> 2:34:26.360 and statements that he said about like allowing transgender women 2:34:26.480 --> 2:34:29.840 to compete in his Miss Universe pageants and allowing Caitlin 2:34:29.920 --> 2:34:32.720 Jenner to use the bathroom of her choice in Trump Tower. 2:34:33.600 --> 2:34:36.720 This video opens with footage of Trump at the twenty 2:34:36.800 --> 2:34:40.360 sixteen RNC saying that he would quote do everything in 2:34:40.520 --> 2:34:45.320 my power to protect our LGBTQ citizens unquote. Now, this 2:34:45.440 --> 2:34:47.480 is pretty gross that the video opens this way because 2:34:47.640 --> 2:34:51.600 very importantly, this was just a month after the Pulse 2:34:51.720 --> 2:34:55.400 nightclub attack in DeSantis's home state of Florida, which killed 2:34:55.520 --> 2:34:58.960 forty nine people. That's why Trump was saying this is 2:34:59.000 --> 2:35:01.560 because there was just a massive massacre in the state 2:35:01.600 --> 2:35:05.360 of Florida. And the fact that Dysantis is opening up 2:35:05.520 --> 2:35:09.959 this Trump like homophobic attack ad by including this little 2:35:10.000 --> 2:35:14.720 bit is pretty is pretty gross. So this video then 2:35:14.840 --> 2:35:18.680 kind of transitions fifteen seconds in, accompanied by a dark 2:35:18.800 --> 2:35:22.560 synthetic beat, to a black and white image of Dysantis 2:35:22.720 --> 2:35:26.320 standing in front of an American flag with red glowing 2:35:26.440 --> 2:35:31.080 eyes shooting out little laser lightning things before a wave 2:35:31.200 --> 2:35:35.960 of pulsating images of Spartans and the Muscular Chad and 2:35:36.160 --> 2:35:38.880 clips of American Psycho, the Wolf of Wall Street and 2:35:39.000 --> 2:35:42.360 Peaky Blinders. Overlaid on top of these flashing images are 2:35:42.480 --> 2:35:47.840 headlines and short clips about Dysantis's extreme anti LGBTQ policies 2:35:47.920 --> 2:35:51.320 that he enacted in Florida. I cannot think of anything 2:35:51.440 --> 2:35:52.280 more plurifying. 2:35:52.440 --> 2:35:56.280 It really has shut down the track, just. 2:35:56.400 --> 2:36:00.960 Produced some of the harshest, most draconian laws that literally 2:36:01.080 --> 2:36:02.440 threatened trans existence. 2:36:02.840 --> 2:36:08.160 Congratulations, Vision accomplished, you win, all right. 2:36:08.840 --> 2:36:11.680 So first off, Garrison, it had been so long since 2:36:11.720 --> 2:36:15.800 I looked at a bit shoot video so weeks. So 2:36:15.959 --> 2:36:17.000 first off, fuck you for that. 2:36:18.720 --> 2:36:20.680 I had to watch a lot of bit chute videos 2:36:20.720 --> 2:36:21.520 for this episode. 2:36:21.640 --> 2:36:27.320 I yeah, I know. Yeah. So that's I mean, absolutely 2:36:27.440 --> 2:36:31.680 impenetrable for like anyone who is not out of their mind, right, Yeah, 2:36:31.720 --> 2:36:34.000 like it is it's this Yeah, sorry, James. 2:36:34.120 --> 2:36:36.360 It feels like his fourteen year old nephew who goes 2:36:36.400 --> 2:36:39.439 by like Groyperchad fourteen eighty eight unfortune. 2:36:39.879 --> 2:36:42.280 I'll describe what's happening as like, you know, first you 2:36:42.320 --> 2:36:44.480 get obviously the beginning, which I think is clear just 2:36:44.520 --> 2:36:46.960 from the audio, these clips of like Trump saying stuff 2:36:47.000 --> 2:36:49.480 that's not it's pro gay, you know, from back in 2:36:49.520 --> 2:36:53.600 twenty sixteen. And then it switches to like footage of 2:36:54.080 --> 2:36:57.640 like news articles about DeSantis, you know, doing horrible things 2:36:58.200 --> 2:37:01.880 to queer people in Florida, and like clips of pete 2:37:02.160 --> 2:37:05.039 leftists reacting to how bad it is, and like clips 2:37:05.120 --> 2:37:08.360 of Ron de Santis like walking around or you know, 2:37:08.600 --> 2:37:11.920 art of him photoshopped with like sunglasses. 2:37:11.320 --> 2:37:15.000 Or sunglasses super muscular American Psycho stuff. 2:37:15.200 --> 2:37:18.720 Yeah, clips of American Psycho clips from like like I 2:37:18.760 --> 2:37:22.640 think it was actually from the movie Troy, Yes it is, yeah, 2:37:22.959 --> 2:37:26.720 just to like make him look yeah, it's yes, it's 2:37:26.920 --> 2:37:28.640 just sad. It's just sad. 2:37:29.320 --> 2:37:33.720 For example, So what one little snippet of is is 2:37:33.879 --> 2:37:36.160 uh one of these little one of these little like 2:37:36.959 --> 2:37:41.640 headlines is intercut between a chat meme and a clip 2:37:41.720 --> 2:37:45.560 from American Psycho, and it shows dysantas in wearing sunglasses 2:37:46.120 --> 2:37:49.960 walking around with the headline Dysantas signs the most extreme 2:37:50.080 --> 2:37:53.040 slate of anti trans laws and modern history with this 2:37:53.200 --> 2:37:56.520 like pulsating music. So yeah, the whole, the whole second 2:37:56.520 --> 2:37:59.640 half of the video is just like that. The video 2:37:59.760 --> 2:38:03.039 seems to receive an almost universally negative reaction. 2:38:03.920 --> 2:38:10.680 Yeah, it's so bad. It's famously dog shit like, just 2:38:10.920 --> 2:38:16.520 instant failure, upsetting both Trump supporters and gay Republicans and 2:38:16.800 --> 2:38:23.640 confusing those who are actually sympathetic to dissantish because due to. 2:38:23.680 --> 2:38:27.120 The bizarre imagery in the video, I'm going to read 2:38:27.360 --> 2:38:30.640 some of the comments under the DISSANTUS war Room post. 2:38:31.560 --> 2:38:37.360 Nick Adams Alpha male replied, why is the campaign sharing 2:38:37.440 --> 2:38:41.040 a video comparing him to Patrick Bateman? Isn't Bateman a 2:38:41.160 --> 2:38:41.920 serial killer? 2:38:45.920 --> 2:38:48.440 I think I'm sure that the whole Nick Adams thing 2:38:48.560 --> 2:38:49.959 is an extended bit, like it. 2:38:51.320 --> 2:38:53.000 Is literally impossible to tell. 2:38:53.120 --> 2:38:56.760 Jesse Well, yeah, masculinity is an extended Matthew Weaver says 2:38:57.160 --> 2:39:00.440 it is disgusting that this ad is linked, apparently to 2:39:00.600 --> 2:39:01.680 the Dasanta's campaign. 2:39:01.920 --> 2:39:04.320 It makes me question my support for Dysantis. 2:39:08.200 --> 2:39:09.080 You love to see it. 2:39:10.440 --> 2:39:14.560 A George Santosa staffer said, quote, this ad makes the 2:39:14.680 --> 2:39:15.959 meatball look a gay. 2:39:17.760 --> 2:39:17.960 Wow. 2:39:18.879 --> 2:39:22.160 Now I don't wanna sorry. I think it's I think 2:39:22.280 --> 2:39:22.800 it's here. 2:39:22.920 --> 2:39:24.040 I think that's pretty funny. 2:39:24.520 --> 2:39:27.400 But if you if you ever type out the sentence 2:39:27.800 --> 2:39:32.000 this ad makes the meatball look gay. You can't, you 2:39:32.120 --> 2:39:35.680 can't be in America anymore. You have to go somewhere else. 2:39:35.840 --> 2:39:38.600 Like that's banishment, right, like they used to do in 2:39:38.680 --> 2:39:42.920 the old times, Like here's a backpack, off, you go off, 2:39:43.000 --> 2:39:45.200 you go can't, You're not allowed here anymore. 2:39:46.000 --> 2:39:52.600 Lisa Loves Liberty replied what An American First commentator with 2:39:52.800 --> 2:39:56.200 over one hundred and fifty thousand followers, asked, what's the 2:39:56.320 --> 2:39:58.800 message that the Dysantis team wants people to take away 2:39:58.840 --> 2:40:03.680 from this ad that associates Ron with flawed criminal individuals? 2:40:04.320 --> 2:40:07.200 Is it that Rad is a bootlegging, psycho killer who 2:40:07.280 --> 2:40:12.040 commits financial crimes and has an achilles heel? Because that's 2:40:12.080 --> 2:40:12.680 what it's saying. 2:40:14.560 --> 2:40:15.640 God, that's so funny. 2:40:16.520 --> 2:40:20.320 And finally, far right activist, former congressional staffer and aspiring 2:40:20.480 --> 2:40:25.120 conspiracy theory documentary film producer Daniel Bostik said, quote, this 2:40:25.320 --> 2:40:28.039 is the gayest ad in the history of political advertising. 2:40:28.959 --> 2:40:31.920 So that was that was. 2:40:32.120 --> 2:40:38.600 Roughly the response is to to to Dessentdi's posting this ad. 2:40:40.440 --> 2:40:44.160 All of this is extremely fun. I'm having a good time. 2:40:47.360 --> 2:40:47.480 Uh. 2:40:47.920 --> 2:40:50.680 The the the only the only figure that I that 2:40:50.760 --> 2:40:54.200 I found who was in support of this like ad, 2:40:54.320 --> 2:40:57.400 like like the like. The only like slightly even slightly 2:40:57.520 --> 2:41:00.400 noble person who seems to enjoy this ad thought it 2:41:00.480 --> 2:41:05.240 was a good choice was Ian Miles Chong. Everyone else 2:41:05.320 --> 2:41:07.560 on the right this was a horrible decision. 2:41:07.720 --> 2:41:10.880 Again, if you're not as if you're not a terminally 2:41:10.959 --> 2:41:12.960 online leftist like us, if you're one of like the 2:41:13.080 --> 2:41:16.360 nice sweet liberals who who liked the Joe Brandon memes 2:41:16.959 --> 2:41:20.760 the dark branded memes. Ian Miles Chong is a Malaysian 2:41:20.959 --> 2:41:26.080 senior citizen who has become a far right youth influencer 2:41:26.520 --> 2:41:30.520 through a series of decisions that like you don't you 2:41:30.600 --> 2:41:32.880 don't need this to be explained, but he's one of 2:41:32.920 --> 2:41:35.440 the people that Elon Musk cares about the most in 2:41:35.520 --> 2:41:36.000 this world. 2:41:36.360 --> 2:41:39.720 You could google a picture of Ian Mileschung and understand 2:41:39.800 --> 2:41:41.760 everything you need to from that picture. 2:41:41.800 --> 2:41:42.080 I think. 2:41:43.000 --> 2:41:47.200 Uh So, Fox News called the Dissentist Campaign's use of 2:41:47.280 --> 2:41:55.280 the ad mystifying and an unforced error. Now I've also 2:41:55.360 --> 2:41:58.400 gonna do that's so good. I'm also I also gonna 2:41:58.400 --> 2:42:03.039 play a short clip from Miami, a Florida's local CBS affiliate. 2:42:03.720 --> 2:42:06.160 By the way, the video that you're just about to 2:42:06.200 --> 2:42:08.880 see has over twenty four million views. 2:42:09.680 --> 2:42:14.800 I will do everything in my house to protect our 2:42:15.200 --> 2:42:17.600 lg TGQ citizens. 2:42:18.160 --> 2:42:21.640 The video then suddenly veers in a different direction, accompanied 2:42:21.680 --> 2:42:26.520 by dark images, loud music, mixed images of Governor with shirtless, 2:42:26.640 --> 2:42:30.720 muscular men, including actor Brad Pitt, A prominent group that 2:42:30.879 --> 2:42:36.080 represents LGBTQ conservatives also when on Twitter criticizing the video, 2:42:36.160 --> 2:42:39.920 saying Florida Governor can't tell the difference between common sense 2:42:40.000 --> 2:42:44.640 gaze and the radical left. Gaze labeled the scentist positions 2:42:44.959 --> 2:42:47.400 as dangerous and politically stupid. 2:42:48.120 --> 2:42:50.840 So I think that clip's also just a good reminder 2:42:51.000 --> 2:42:55.040 of the level of specialized political analysis that you're getting 2:42:55.320 --> 2:42:57.960 by listening to this show versus what you get on 2:42:58.080 --> 2:43:04.759 local news. This local news could never explain this, this campaign. 2:43:04.320 --> 2:43:07.280 At no if you if you were to hand this 2:43:07.480 --> 2:43:11.160 over to a team at MSNBC, they would die, they 2:43:11.200 --> 2:43:11.520 would be. 2:43:12.600 --> 2:43:18.800 That's the next cliff I have. The next cliff I 2:43:18.879 --> 2:43:21.600 have is them handing this over to MSNBC. 2:43:26.360 --> 2:43:28.640 This is one of my favorite days at work we've had. 2:43:31.000 --> 2:43:34.440 First of all, the DeSantis campaign sent out a tweet 2:43:34.560 --> 2:43:38.320 later that night saying, quote opposing the federal recognition of 2:43:38.360 --> 2:43:42.000 Pride Month isn't homophobic. We wouldn't support a month to 2:43:42.040 --> 2:43:48.119 celebrate straight people for sexual orientation. It's unnecessary, divisive and pandering. 2:43:48.360 --> 2:43:53.160 It's very very cool. So here is here is here's 2:43:53.240 --> 2:44:01.280 the cliff of of MSNBC reacting to this ad. It's it's, it's, 2:44:01.440 --> 2:44:02.920 it's gonna be. It's gonna be, It's gonna be. It's 2:44:02.920 --> 2:44:03.600 gonna be pretty good. 2:44:03.920 --> 2:44:08.320 Meanwhile, Governor DeSantis is defending a controversial and frankly bizarre 2:44:08.560 --> 2:44:11.920 campaign video that attacks for President Donald Trump's views on 2:44:12.160 --> 2:44:16.840 l g b t Q rights. Donnie Deutsch a man, extraordinary? 2:44:17.160 --> 2:44:17.480 What am I? 2:44:17.879 --> 2:44:18.680 What am I looking at? 2:44:18.800 --> 2:44:21.560 The extraordinaire is is stuffed? Okay, I be doing this 2:44:21.640 --> 2:44:22.320 for a long while. 2:44:22.640 --> 2:44:24.000 What what am I doing here? 2:44:24.000 --> 2:44:27.480 And the answer is, well, first of all, he's DeSantis 2:44:27.520 --> 2:44:29.960 is flailing and he's trying to continually move to the 2:44:30.080 --> 2:44:30.680 right of Trump. 2:44:30.720 --> 2:44:34.560 But this lgbt Q thing is just do you think 2:44:34.640 --> 2:44:35.640 this is moving voters? 2:44:36.200 --> 2:44:36.400 Are you? 2:44:36.760 --> 2:44:39.880 And to pay Trump as a patron of this group? 2:44:40.440 --> 2:44:40.840 Is you know? 2:44:41.800 --> 2:44:43.920 As an ad guy, There's one thing I learned over 2:44:43.959 --> 2:44:47.000 yours is people aren't stupid. Okay, you just and I 2:44:47.080 --> 2:44:49.040 don't know the voter that's going to see that and go, 2:44:49.840 --> 2:44:52.440 you know what, Trump, I'm going you're my guy. 2:44:52.959 --> 2:44:57.520 And it's just DeSantis is such a dark, dark, dark character. 2:44:57.520 --> 2:45:00.080 I've talked a lot about on the show, how at 2:45:00.120 --> 2:45:02.200 the end of the day a candidate Trump, even though 2:45:02.280 --> 2:45:05.360 you know, we eviscerate him, and there is a likability 2:45:05.440 --> 2:45:06.439 if you're a Trump. 2:45:06.240 --> 2:45:06.879 Guy about him. 2:45:06.879 --> 2:45:08.480 He's entertaining, He's a loungeacked. 2:45:08.680 --> 2:45:12.200 This guy is just the dark, the prince darkness. 2:45:12.280 --> 2:45:16.200 And that is one of the darkest, most bizarre, twisted, 2:45:16.920 --> 2:45:18.320 deviant ads I've ever seen. 2:45:18.440 --> 2:45:22.320 Well, he was defending it yesterday. Bipartisan backlash to the video, 2:45:22.400 --> 2:45:25.439 by the way, many people calling it homophobic, Governor DeSantis 2:45:25.959 --> 2:45:28.680 standing by the ad, calling it fair game. 2:45:31.000 --> 2:45:34.600 I think, you know, identifying Donald Trump as really being 2:45:34.640 --> 2:45:39.720 a pioneer in injecting gender ideology into the mainstream, where 2:45:39.760 --> 2:45:43.160 he was having men compete against women in his beauty pageants, 2:45:43.200 --> 2:45:45.640 I think that's totally fair game because he's now campaigning 2:45:46.040 --> 2:45:48.840 saying the opposite that he doesn't think that you should 2:45:48.879 --> 2:45:52.040 have men competing in women's things like athletics. And so 2:45:52.160 --> 2:45:54.840 we've been very clear on it that we believe in 2:45:54.959 --> 2:45:57.880 protecting the rights of our girls and the rights of 2:45:57.959 --> 2:46:01.359 women athletes to be able to participate paid with fairness 2:46:01.720 --> 2:46:02.760 and with integrity. 2:46:03.760 --> 2:46:07.400 In response to those remarks, Trump campaign spokesperson said, quote, 2:46:07.760 --> 2:46:12.200 a desperate dysanctus campaign with a flailing candidate is in 2:46:12.320 --> 2:46:16.280 its last throes of Relevancy's first off. 2:46:16.520 --> 2:46:19.640 Such bad analysis of that video, Yeah, I mean, if 2:46:19.720 --> 2:46:22.880 they're completely out of the death yeah. No, No, The 2:46:22.959 --> 2:46:25.279 point is not that he is so dark and evil. 2:46:25.440 --> 2:46:28.520 The point is that this is incompetent and impenetrable. You 2:46:28.600 --> 2:46:31.640 could just say that it's okay, Yeah, it's my job 2:46:31.720 --> 2:46:34.879 to understand this ship and I don't. Yeah, so. 2:46:36.840 --> 2:46:40.240 The beyond beyond, beyond descendis being the prince of darkness, 2:46:40.320 --> 2:46:41.959 as we've only established. 2:46:42.280 --> 2:46:44.680 Yeah, why try to make him sound cool. I know 2:46:44.959 --> 2:46:45.879 this is what he's doing. 2:46:46.000 --> 2:46:48.720 This is the thing, this is the thing they don't understand, right. 2:46:49.200 --> 2:46:51.480 This is why this is why Dark braindon happened by 2:46:51.520 --> 2:46:54.960 complete accident like it was. It was so effective because 2:46:55.080 --> 2:46:57.440 there was no way for liberals to concoct us themselves. 2:46:57.640 --> 2:47:00.760 They were there. They were only copying the stylings of 2:47:01.080 --> 2:47:05.000 of of like ironic leftists so yeah, everyone is just 2:47:05.080 --> 2:47:07.680 baffled by this sad saying like there's absolutely no way 2:47:07.680 --> 2:47:10.480 of understanding what's going on here. There's there's absolutely no 2:47:10.640 --> 2:47:14.240 like larger trends that that like maybe at play, but 2:47:14.760 --> 2:47:17.520 obviously we we've kind of offered some insight into what's 2:47:17.560 --> 2:47:21.520 been going on here. And in the end, DeSantis's attempt 2:47:21.640 --> 2:47:25.440 at fash wave has been rejected by conservative America either 2:47:25.560 --> 2:47:29.920 through it's just sheer like esoteric strangeness and also the 2:47:30.040 --> 2:47:34.120 kind of the the whittling away at at at Fashwave's 2:47:34.440 --> 2:47:36.680 power that the dark branded meme has been doing for 2:47:36.760 --> 2:47:39.840 so long. There's just nothing first of all appealing about this, 2:47:40.240 --> 2:47:43.920 which makes all that remains just incredibly just like just 2:47:44.040 --> 2:47:44.720 like off putting. 2:47:45.760 --> 2:47:46.280 So like. 2:47:47.959 --> 2:47:50.560 What we have here from DeSantis, like in the actual video, 2:47:50.680 --> 2:47:54.000 but besides the obvious like homophobia is a sort of 2:47:54.120 --> 2:47:57.680 like meme soup, combining some elements of like fash wave 2:47:57.920 --> 2:48:02.480 and some like dark Mega imagery with other imagery from 2:48:03.200 --> 2:48:06.200 from right wing meme tropes that have also gotten popular 2:48:06.280 --> 2:48:10.080 the past few years, like Patrick Bateman, who's who's kind 2:48:10.120 --> 2:48:13.400 of more popular in like the Schizzo wave subgenre just 2:48:13.440 --> 2:48:16.200 still heavily tied to fash wave. It kind of like 2:48:16.280 --> 2:48:19.120 it glorifies the setics of mental illness to push you 2:48:19.200 --> 2:48:21.520 towards doing like extremist violence. 2:48:22.280 --> 2:48:24.920 Yeah, and then they should say the the aesthetics of 2:48:25.040 --> 2:48:29.520 like how a specific subculture depicts mental illness? 2:48:29.640 --> 2:48:33.119 Yes, yes, yeah, And there's there's a bunch of other 2:48:33.200 --> 2:48:37.160 like pop culture sigma figures in this video. There's images 2:48:37.280 --> 2:48:41.560 of the real life Chad mistaken in news coverage as 2:48:41.640 --> 2:48:44.640 a generic body builder, but this is actually like a 2:48:44.800 --> 2:48:48.080 very specific online meme that's like not like it's not 2:48:48.160 --> 2:48:52.119 a niche. And there's there's also like a very specific 2:48:52.240 --> 2:48:58.120 uh dysantist Chad Wojack in this video. So and in 2:48:58.240 --> 2:49:01.680 the end, like this had temp kind of reviving a 2:49:01.920 --> 2:49:05.440 soft fash wave style or you know, kind of dark 2:49:05.520 --> 2:49:09.240 mega style for an attack ad by the Dissanda's campaign 2:49:09.360 --> 2:49:13.760 was basically wholesale rejected by conservative Americans and with with 2:49:13.959 --> 2:49:17.119 no with no other politicians co signing this. The only 2:49:17.240 --> 2:49:20.480 other mean notable figure who applauded this was Ian Miles Chung. 2:49:21.560 --> 2:49:23.720 No no, no one else of note thought this was 2:49:23.800 --> 2:49:26.959 a good idea. Most dissenttas of supporters were off putted. 2:49:28.040 --> 2:49:30.840 The only people who really like liked this were like 2:49:31.080 --> 2:49:35.600 chronically online fascist zoomers who are either not old enough 2:49:35.640 --> 2:49:37.840 to vote or just barely old enough to vote. 2:49:38.440 --> 2:49:42.600 Yeah they are teenage Nick Flintz fans. 2:49:43.000 --> 2:49:45.520 Yeah, like because like they're the only ones who are 2:49:45.520 --> 2:49:48.240 like well understand what's going on. So it like becomes 2:49:48.280 --> 2:49:52.320 a cohesive message because if the average viewer isn't turned 2:49:52.320 --> 2:49:55.240 off by like the intense homophobia or the anti Trump angle, 2:49:55.640 --> 2:49:59.360 the alienating editing style and online references and other and 2:49:59.520 --> 2:50:03.039 other kind of of bizarre attributes like the the the music, 2:50:03.160 --> 2:50:07.520 the flashing images, it either left most ordinary viewers confused 2:50:07.680 --> 2:50:12.320 or just like turned off. And so in the end, 2:50:12.480 --> 2:50:15.000 like I think there is there is a recurring trend here, 2:50:15.400 --> 2:50:20.440 and that like dark Mega didn't help the Republicans win 2:50:20.520 --> 2:50:23.600 the mid terms. Like that that was that was a 2:50:23.680 --> 2:50:26.440 pretty pretty big defeat for them. All of all of 2:50:26.520 --> 2:50:29.320 the work they were doing beforehand to like to like 2:50:29.480 --> 2:50:32.240 start getting people like wiled up, get making making like 2:50:32.440 --> 2:50:35.840 attention grabbing authoritarian memes, all of like the critical rice 2:50:35.879 --> 2:50:38.680 theory stuff. None of that panned out in the actual elections, 2:50:39.080 --> 2:50:42.800 and whatever DeSantis is doing sure doesn't seem to be 2:50:42.879 --> 2:50:47.240 helping him beat Trump. The only person who who is 2:50:47.360 --> 2:50:50.080 who is winning right at this is Dark Brandon. Dark 2:50:50.160 --> 2:50:53.000 Brandon strikes again. He is the one that it actually 2:50:53.360 --> 2:50:57.960 has made, has made sure that DeSantis cannot use this playbook. 2:50:59.160 --> 2:51:02.920 Dark Brandon is is sitting on a gargoyle over top 2:51:03.440 --> 2:51:07.400 of whatever city in Florida de Santis lives. Dark Brandon 2:51:07.600 --> 2:51:11.320 is our watchful protector. He is he is, he is 2:51:11.400 --> 2:51:12.320 our silent guardian. 2:51:14.400 --> 2:51:17.359 Garrison was just talking about this image of Dark Brandon 2:51:17.440 --> 2:51:21.200 sitting on a throne above. I'm gonna say, Miami, they 2:51:21.280 --> 2:51:24.600 lifted up their shirt to show their new Dark Brandon 2:51:24.720 --> 2:51:27.640 chest tattoo, and wow, that must have been what was that? 2:51:27.760 --> 2:51:30.160 Twelve hours in the chair? Gear big? What big? 2:51:30.560 --> 2:51:30.800 It was? 2:51:31.360 --> 2:51:33.360 Well, the first day was thirteen hours, the second he 2:51:33.440 --> 2:51:37.240 was twelve hours. So good, thirteen twelve at the end. 2:51:37.480 --> 2:51:40.280 Yeah, that's good. That's good, very big. Well, you run 2:51:40.320 --> 2:51:42.280 out of batteryo or the eyes are always going to glow? 2:51:42.720 --> 2:51:45.959 No, Actually, those are fluorescents, So I have to stand 2:51:45.959 --> 2:51:48.800 in the sun for for like ten minutes to charge 2:51:48.840 --> 2:51:50.039 them up and it lasts about. 2:51:49.800 --> 2:51:50.440 Like five hours. 2:51:50.680 --> 2:51:54.480 Magic Haijake love that. Yeah, I have a conspiracy theory here. 2:51:54.560 --> 2:51:57.680 I believe that Ronda Santi's fourteen year old nephew, Groy 2:51:57.720 --> 2:52:01.000 Bitchad fourteen eighty eight, was extreme me online so online 2:52:01.200 --> 2:52:05.000 that his parents took away his phone and he just 2:52:05.280 --> 2:52:08.400 lost all contact with the internet circa like early twenty 2:52:08.480 --> 2:52:11.040 twenty two, and then run to Santa's asked him to 2:52:11.080 --> 2:52:12.760 make an advert, and this is what happened. 2:52:13.320 --> 2:52:14.560 So the advert. 2:52:14.680 --> 2:52:17.320 So I tried tracking down who made this advert. I 2:52:17.800 --> 2:52:21.600 messaged someone who I suspect of making it, who ignored 2:52:21.640 --> 2:52:26.760 my message. To be fair, I messaged them on my 2:52:26.920 --> 2:52:31.920 Julius Vola sock puppet on Telegram, and they still ignored 2:52:31.959 --> 2:52:36.960 my message. So I I there. The video was not 2:52:37.200 --> 2:52:40.960 created by the DeSantis team himself. It was it was 2:52:41.240 --> 2:52:44.960 it was. It was embedded in their war room Twitter feed. 2:52:45.600 --> 2:52:48.360 It was tracked back to this at a one time 2:52:48.560 --> 2:52:52.480 pro Trump account called Proud Elephant, who has a corresponding 2:52:52.520 --> 2:52:58.120 Telegram channel. So this guy Proud Elephant is, from what 2:52:58.240 --> 2:53:00.520 I can tell, the origin point of this video. I 2:53:00.560 --> 2:53:03.080 can't seem to find it in any earlier places. I've 2:53:03.120 --> 2:53:04.959 tried to getting into contact with him to figure out 2:53:05.000 --> 2:53:08.280 what his intentions were for, like if he made the 2:53:08.360 --> 2:53:10.920 video or if he found it from somewhere. But this 2:53:11.000 --> 2:53:14.720 is why I said, I clarified that the DeSantis team 2:53:15.040 --> 2:53:19.560 shared this video on their official campaign account. They did 2:53:19.640 --> 2:53:22.600 not make it themselves, which is also pretty funny because 2:53:22.800 --> 2:53:24.480 they didn't spend any money on this thing, and it 2:53:24.560 --> 2:53:27.480 still like was a massive shot in the face. Like 2:53:28.040 --> 2:53:31.560 it's just like huge, huge blowback. They didn't need to 2:53:31.720 --> 2:53:35.000 like embed this video made by like whatever weirdo loner 2:53:35.760 --> 2:53:38.440 who has like final cut pro on his computer, Like 2:53:38.720 --> 2:53:41.400 there's there's really there's really no reason, like they have 2:53:41.480 --> 2:53:44.720 an actual ad team and for some reason they did 2:53:44.800 --> 2:53:45.280 this instead. 2:53:45.320 --> 2:53:45.440 Now. 2:53:45.720 --> 2:53:49.840 Also as a part of this research, I joined as 2:53:49.920 --> 2:53:53.240 many Dysantis Telegram channels as I could. I scrolled through 2:53:53.320 --> 2:53:57.440 months of posting. I scrolled through all like all three 2:53:57.600 --> 2:54:01.720 of the official Dysantis campaign Twitter accounts. Nothing else in 2:54:01.800 --> 2:54:04.800 their propaganda quite compares to this video. It is such 2:54:04.840 --> 2:54:08.480 a weird outlier that makes me really wonder, like who 2:54:09.600 --> 2:54:13.400 who both who who was operating the the DeSantis war 2:54:13.480 --> 2:54:16.360 room to Twitter account that like hit publish on this 2:54:16.520 --> 2:54:20.480 tweet with this with this video embedded, and like what 2:54:20.560 --> 2:54:22.720 their relation is to the rest of like the Dysantis 2:54:22.800 --> 2:54:25.920 like media strategy because it's just it's just it is. 2:54:26.040 --> 2:54:27.680 It is utterly, utterly baffling. 2:54:28.200 --> 2:54:30.760 I mean, I think some of it can come back 2:54:30.800 --> 2:54:33.760 to In twenty sixteen, kind of about a month so, 2:54:34.040 --> 2:54:37.959 I think before the election, the Trump campaign came out 2:54:38.160 --> 2:54:41.920 with this really weird, very four Chan inspired, sort of 2:54:42.160 --> 2:54:46.400 like ad video for the campaign that like a lot 2:54:46.440 --> 2:54:48.960 of Democrats, you know, made fun of, but it was 2:54:49.040 --> 2:54:51.480 a pretty effective ad. And I you know, I wrote 2:54:51.520 --> 2:54:53.240 about this some at the time, and I talked with 2:54:53.280 --> 2:54:55.040 the guy who'd been doing attack ats and stuff and 2:54:55.160 --> 2:54:56.040 was like, I don't know, I think this is a 2:54:56.080 --> 2:54:59.280 pretty successful ad because it it feels authentic in a 2:54:59.320 --> 2:55:03.160 way that pull up ads don't. And my guess is 2:55:03.280 --> 2:55:06.960 that when this got presented to them, people at the 2:55:07.040 --> 2:55:10.360 DeSantis campaign were like, well, this could be that for us, right, 2:55:10.840 --> 2:55:13.960 this could be us leaning into something that's it's new, 2:55:14.160 --> 2:55:17.520 but it's like real and it's representative of how kids, 2:55:17.680 --> 2:55:20.560 young people are talking these days, and that will build 2:55:20.680 --> 2:55:23.520 the kind of excitement and the kind of like conversation 2:55:23.680 --> 2:55:25.560 around our campaign that can help take us to the 2:55:25.640 --> 2:55:28.000 next level. And I think the thing that they missed 2:55:28.000 --> 2:55:32.040 there was that Trump in sort of, you know, signposting 2:55:32.120 --> 2:55:35.840 to that online alt right was adopting and kind of 2:55:35.959 --> 2:55:39.960 making his own a real movement that was representative of 2:55:40.920 --> 2:55:43.240 some things that were appealing to a lot of people. 2:55:43.760 --> 2:55:47.880 And this is not right, Like there's been no ground 2:55:48.000 --> 2:55:51.960 swell of people who are into this like these weird 2:55:52.200 --> 2:55:54.560 Like the only ground swell of a lot of normies 2:55:54.600 --> 2:56:01.480 getting into fash wave has been dark branded, Like normy 2:56:01.600 --> 2:56:05.080 Republicans did not adopt like this kind of shit in 2:56:05.840 --> 2:56:09.080 en Mass And I think it was a mistake, Like 2:56:09.360 --> 2:56:11.520 it was a it was a it was a mistake 2:56:11.600 --> 2:56:14.960 to think that like I don't know, like random like 2:56:15.240 --> 2:56:19.200 goop heads were going to see their candidate compared to 2:56:19.320 --> 2:56:23.440 a serial killer from a famously off putting movie and 2:56:23.600 --> 2:56:24.160 be like this. 2:56:24.280 --> 2:56:28.080 Is a good call for us. This this is my guy. Yeah, 2:56:28.959 --> 2:56:32.840 Like no, like not not everyone is like a seventeen 2:56:32.920 --> 2:56:37.320 year old suicidal alt right teenager, Like that's actually not 2:56:37.480 --> 2:56:40.320 their prime base if you want to win an election. 2:56:40.480 --> 2:56:43.280 There aren't many of you kids, Like they don't want 2:56:43.440 --> 2:56:45.000 teenagers voting at all. 2:56:45.480 --> 2:56:48.640 Which is it's also really weird that DeSantis has been 2:56:48.640 --> 2:56:52.000 given multiple opportunities to to pull back the ad saying 2:56:52.040 --> 2:56:53.199 it was it was a mistake. 2:56:53.280 --> 2:56:53.640 It was not. 2:56:53.800 --> 2:56:55.960 It was not officially made by our campaign. It shouldn't 2:56:55.959 --> 2:56:58.560 have been shared. But every time they've been given this opportunity, 2:56:58.800 --> 2:57:00.520 they doubled down on the Yeah. 2:57:00.560 --> 2:57:03.160 That's his whole thing though, like never admit fault, always 2:57:03.200 --> 2:57:03.800 pushing forward. 2:57:04.080 --> 2:57:07.320 Yeah, yes that is. That is like a staple of fascism. 2:57:07.480 --> 2:57:10.279 But like yeah, yeah, man, well. 2:57:11.760 --> 2:57:15.280 Anyway, that's good stabbing stuff. I'm well, Garrison, this has 2:57:15.320 --> 2:57:15.960 made my week. 2:57:16.480 --> 2:57:20.480 This has been a time to be alive. This has 2:57:20.520 --> 2:57:23.000 been far too much of my week has been putting 2:57:23.080 --> 2:57:26.119 together these like three thousand, four thousand words. 2:57:27.040 --> 2:57:27.240 Yep. 2:57:28.959 --> 2:57:31.160 Well, I'm glad. I'm glad everyone was able to come 2:57:31.200 --> 2:57:35.480 away from this as as enlightened as as God. 2:57:36.520 --> 2:57:38.160 Yeah, I have. 2:57:38.360 --> 2:57:41.360 I have entered a state of nosis. Thank you, thank 2:57:41.400 --> 2:57:41.720 you for. 2:57:43.320 --> 2:57:43.360 This. 2:57:43.480 --> 2:57:44.640 I've achieved enlightenment. 2:57:48.040 --> 2:57:48.400 All right. 2:57:48.520 --> 2:57:50.000 Well, long lived dark Brandom. 2:57:53.440 --> 2:57:56.560 Hey, we'll be back Monday with more episodes every week 2:57:56.680 --> 2:57:58.520 from now until the heat death of the universe. 2:57:59.160 --> 2:58:01.480 It could happen here the production of cool Zone Media. 2:58:01.760 --> 2:58:04.400 For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 2:58:04.440 --> 2:58:07.560 coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio, app, 2:58:07.600 --> 2:58:10.760 Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts, you can 2:58:10.800 --> 2:58:13.480 find sources for It could happen here, Updated monthly at 2:58:13.520 --> 2:58:15.720 coolzonemedia dot com, slash sources. 2:58:15.959 --> 2:58:16.720 Thanks for listening.