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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let

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Speaker 1: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 1: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 2: Chris crisodis ipsis christode is welcome to it could happen here,

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Speaker 2: a podcast where the only person who actually took Latin

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Speaker 2: Latin bit. I'm your host, Mia Wong, and with me

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Speaker 2: is Garrison. Hello.

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Speaker 3: Hello, I'm not gonna try to speak Latin because if

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Speaker 3: I did, it'd be some like weird like esoteric incantation

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Speaker 2: So you know, this is this is this is the

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Speaker 2: most the most well known Latin. That's probably not the

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Speaker 2: known Latins, which is who watches the Watchmen Roughly it's

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Speaker 2: not the test. The popular translation is who watches the watchmen?

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Speaker 2: And by that I mean we are asking the question

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Speaker 3: And the answer was nobody. So true, I always trust

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Speaker 3: in the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great.

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Speaker 3: I learned.

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Speaker 2: I learned that we pay these people two hundred and

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Speaker 2: two hundred eighty five thousand dollars to like take our

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Speaker 3: This is just insane. Well, why why do we do this?

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Speaker 3: It's uh, well, I mean this is a very clear

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Speaker 3: of order and civility. Yes, however, coma deeply fractured however, Comma, this.

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Speaker 2: Is coming apart because these stupid assholes can't even maintain

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Speaker 3: So it's creating all these really complicated like supply chain

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Speaker 2: It's really amazing too. So the other thing about this

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Speaker 2: And this case has just thrown that shit out the window.

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Speaker 2: For perjury right now. Her lawyers should also be like

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Speaker 3: Wait do we get to the corruption.

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Speaker 2: This is the real reason we're doing this episode because

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Speaker 2: Then you know the thing I really learned from this

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Speaker 2: And in all of the pieces about Clarence Thomas, right,

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Speaker 3: It's like that seems like a lot of money. What

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Speaker 2: Like, So, in terms of the sort of corruption stuff

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Speaker 3: Like what you would name like some like weird, like

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, now that now that you mentioned the Nazi

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Speaker 3: I feel like we probably shouldn't, like we can even

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Speaker 2: You know, Like Okay, so I'm gonna circle back to

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Speaker 2: And it's a it's a statue guarded behind his house

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Speaker 2: They're like almost all communists. He really hates Tito for

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Speaker 1: I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, she's a billionaire, obviously, Like this is

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Speaker 2: There's no Mussolini. What No, No, there's like there's there's

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Speaker 2: because that guy was not he wasn't he wasn't evil. No, well,

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Speaker 2: not He's no mau he's no Hitler, Like come on,

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Speaker 2: like he also like again, he is not a dictator.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, first of who would be your first five

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, this is this is gonna be very biased

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Speaker 2: because I'm ranking this by people I have personal grudges against.

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Speaker 2: Who else do I have? Who else do I have

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Speaker 2: a personal grudge against? Who's a dictator? Mohammed ben somebon

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Speaker 2: because he bought my fucking StarCraft league?

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Speaker 3: What the fuck are you talking about on that one day? Okay, well,

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Speaker 3: well we'll put what we'll put. We'll put MAUT number five. Fair, fair, Okay, now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the reason the reason I bring up the

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Speaker 2: the the the the Garden of Evil, right is that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so he has like a thing where he puts all

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Speaker 2: the stuff from the evil dictators, but then all of

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Speaker 3: Like his living quarters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like like they'll just don't be paintings by like

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Speaker 2: then they'll just be a Hitler painting.

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Speaker 3: It's like he's this guy.

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Speaker 2: All of his friends would because this guy has like

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, I he hasn't he has. I don't know, man, Like,

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Speaker 2: I'll give you three guesses as to how much of

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Speaker 3: I'm sure the cops are gonna go arrest him for all.

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Speaker 2: These crimes, right, yeah, yeah, right at any day now.

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Speaker 2: A Okay, do you do you know who else is?

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Speaker 5: I am a podcaster every few months and guidelines of

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Speaker 2: Crime crime is just legal now like this this is

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so all right, I'm just gonna I'm just

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Speaker 3: Ah, I see this just sounds like a friendly vacation, right.

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Speaker 2: And the thing about this, it seems like he does

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Speaker 2: But we look, we will persevere, we will achieve submarine.

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Speaker 2: Ass As are regrettably off doing actual journalism. Colleague James

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Speaker 3: International waters, just as legal as me disparaging all of

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Speaker 2: So all right, you know, okay, So like obviously what

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Speaker 2: What I'm going to do instead is to remind everyone

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Speaker 2: you would take them to court. But we've now returned

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Speaker 2: to our problem of who watches the watchers because it's

441
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 2: Supreme Court, right, they've established themselves as a dictatorial ruling

442
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 2: council based on a power grab. And you know, I'm

443
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: gonna do my the Supreme Court rant I do every time.

444
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: But the Supreme Court does not have the power of

445
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: judicial review. They do not have the power to strike

446
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: down laws. They don't have it. They fucking get vened

447
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 2: it out of whole cloth in eighteen o two. It

448
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 2: doesn't exist, it's not it's never been real. You can

449
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: just fucking ignore them. But in the meantime, while everyone

450
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: believes it it's real, they get to do this bullshit.

451
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 2: And you know, so, yeah, so that that Indonesia trip

452
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 2: is like the big one that we know of. He

453
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: took another one to like Moscow and another. But the

454
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: other thing that that see he seems to have been

455
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 2: doing a lot is basically like he like just uses

456
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: Harlan Crowe's private jet as like his own jet republica

457
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: calculated that like one just like one flight that he

458
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 2: took in twenty sixteen would have cost seventy thousand dollars,

459
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Speaker 2: which is more than I make in a fucking year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why why why did that cost so much?

461
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 2: It's really expensive to to to lease those kind of

462
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: like that specific kind of private jet.

463
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, if it's for a whole private jet,

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Speaker 3: that makes sense. Yeah, I say, likely wouldn't least a

465
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Speaker 3: whole private jet. But I'm just built different, well I did.

466
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: Clarence Thomas has built even more different because instead of

467
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: leasing it, he just has a friend who has the

468
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: jet who just lets him take this Like like one

469
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: of the Republicans doings, they were just tracking the jet

470
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: and they they they could match the jet showing up

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00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: to the airport where Clarence Thomas was gonna be, and

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00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 2: then and the jet would mysteriously then appear in a

473
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: location where Clarence Thomas appeared, and it was like hmm,

474
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 2: and and this whole thing we should specifically know. So okay,

475
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 2: the reason the Supreme Court has to do any of

476
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: this at all is that the stream is that like

477
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: someone finally had a good idea right after Watergate that

478
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: was like we should actually make everyone in the government

479
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: disclose their gifts and this and this law actually like

480
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: included the Streame Court, although I feel like it won't

481
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 2: in like two years when they strike that law down

482
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: or some shit. But you know, but again, like one

483
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: of the things that like specifically in this law is

484
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 2: if you take a private jet, you have to report it.

485
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: And Thomas has been just like jetting out in this

486
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: fucking jet for like a like many like at least

487
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: like at least seven years that we know of, and

488
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 2: has never reported it.

489
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Speaker 3: So let's let's I'm sure the FBI is going to

490
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: be busting down his doors any day now.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And again, like, let let less you unless

492
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Speaker 2: you think we've reached the end of the Clara's Thomas

493
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Speaker 2: corruption crow. Also like, okay, so you know how Claire's

494
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 2: Thomas's wife is like a qan On person and tried

495
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: to overstow the government. Yes, so she has like a

496
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 2: she has like a like a it's like a basically

497
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 2: bullshit like political lobbying group. But it's like so it's

498
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: a lobbying group, but like the actual thing that it

499
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: does is reverse lobbying, which is you can go to

500
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 2: the lobbying group and use it for like to get

501
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: access to Clarence Thomas, and that group funded. God, I

502
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: didn't write down the number of mount like that group

503
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: got like two hundred thousand dollars that again, his wife

504
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: works for got like two hundred thousand dollars from crow.

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Speaker 3: There was another story that which which just now, I'm

506
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,959
Speaker 3: no a lawyer. These are not actual. These these are

507
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: these claims have no basis. This is just an uneducated opinion.

508
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 3: But to me, if I saw this in a movie,

509
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 3: I would call this money laundering.

510
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, like, oh god, okay, so what literally,

511
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: just let me just go to the next one, because

512
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 2: there's fucking more.

513
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: There's more. There's like so.

514
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: All right, Clarence Thomas has like a grandnephew that he

515
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: like adopted as his son. Basically like he like went

516
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: to the family of this kid. It was like, I

517
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: can give this kid everything in the world, so you

518
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: should like give him to me. I'm sure this is

519
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: all above board. I I don't know.

520
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 3: This is uh what about this man has proved to

521
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 3: you that he's untrustworthy? What do you mean?

522
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: Okay to me? Fair Claras Thomas makes the argument that

523
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: like He did this because, like he was abandoned by

524
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: his father as a kid and was raised by his grandfather.

525
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: So he was like, Okay, I'm gonna raise this kid

526
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna steal his better life.

527
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Speaker 3: His parents need to have a grid to. I don't know.

528
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: I you you you can you can read into that

529
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 2: the level of sketchiness that you want to. The part

530
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: that I'm gonna I want to talk about is that

531
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 2: this kid. Okay, so a thing, a thing that I

532
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 2: didn't understand until I got to like college, is that, like, Okay,

533
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: so like I knew intellectually that private schools existed, I

534
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: did not understand that private schools there are like like

535
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Speaker 2: there's like because I was used to like like Christian

536
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: private schools, right, yeah, yeah, I did not, Like I

537
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: didn't like get how rich people could be, and I

538
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: didn't understand that that they were. Like I I like,

539
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: walk in there and there's like nine kids who all

540
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: speak Latin and every single one of them went to

541
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: a private school that was like fifty at least fifty

542
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: like somewhere between fifteen and one hundred thousand dollars a quarter. Yeah,

543
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: is like what the fuck? What the shit so Clarace

544
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: Thomas isn't so his the schools he's going to aren't

545
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: quite that expensive, but the kid, the ones he sends this,

546
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: this kid to, So for two years, the estimate is

547
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: that it was one hundred and fifty thousand dollars per year.

548
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: That was for two years, so seventy five thousand dollars

549
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: a year, which again more than I make it a year.

550
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Speaker 3: That's reasonable, that's fine, that's fine.

551
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: That is more. That is more than like that is

552
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: more expensive than my fucking college. That is more expensive.

553
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 6: Like I like that.

554
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: It is. It is a ludicrous amoss money. And guess

555
00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: who paid that. I'm guessing Harlan Krumb. This is why

556
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 3: I don't. It's gonna just gonna pick it, just gonna pick,

557
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: like a random name off the top of my head.

558
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: This Hitler's number one fan, hard and crouded.

559
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Speaker 2: It's so amazing because like again, all of these people

560
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: have this, Like every single like conservative, like every conservative journalist,

561
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: like every conservative judge and every conservative politician are.

562
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: They all have one of these guys? Yeah, well it's

563
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 3: this guy. This is the guy and so and every

564
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: so like everything like the Koch Brothers fund a whole

565
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: bunch of like content creators. Like but yeah, every almost

566
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 3: every big like right wing dude has one of these guys,

567
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: which is totally unfair because the entire left has to

568
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: share one of these guys. We only get one, and

569
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: he has to fund everything on the left. Meanwhile, the

570
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: right has like has like a dime a dozen of these,

571
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: you know, like like well.

572
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: Legitimately, like like this was actually legitimately the thing that

573
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: caused Soros to get into politics. You looked at us

574
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: and he was like, what the fuck is going on?

575
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: Like this is insane?

576
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: Like why what? What do you mean?

577
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: Like the American Enterprise Institute just like creates Supreme Court justice.

578
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: It's like what and you know, but like so, but

579
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: the funniest part about this is again, whenever any of

580
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: these pieces come out, like every single conservative like pundits

581
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: like in Unison and like like all of their fucking newspapers,

582
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: all of their magazines, they're all funded by these people,

583
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: so they all like published like identical things going like

584
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: how dare you criticize like the noble friendship of hard

585
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: of this billionaire and the Supreme Court justice or just pals.

586
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: They're just extending hospitality like you would to any other

587
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: friend by taking them on a half a million dollar

588
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: cruise around on your yacht. It's it's it's it's like

589
00:31:52,840 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: incredible stuff. All right, we should do we should we

590
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: should do one more ads because you know who's These

591
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: are advertisements that we are being paid to promote.

592
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: These are not our personal opinions, these are these are ads.

593
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: There.

594
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: I followed the SEC guidelines. Here's the fucking ads, and

595
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: we're back, totally totally not gonna get in trouble for

596
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: that one.

597
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: Let let lest you think, and I kind of emphasize

598
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: this enough. This is something that was like when these

599
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: stories first started coming out, the way it was framed

600
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: was like like Clarence Thomas is like a uniquely corrupt

601
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: Supreme Court justice. And then people did literally any digging,

602
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: and it turns out that Clarence Thomas is not a

603
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: uniquely corrupt Supreme Court like all of the like Supreme

604
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: Court legal justice like experts were like, this is like

605
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: a unique situation the history of the court. And then

606
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: like like literally two months later, so Samuel Alito, who

607
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: is another Supreme Court justice, I in and this isn't.

608
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: This is in two thousand and seven, appears on a

609
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: a two hundred thousand dollars fishing trip in Alaska with

610
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: a billionaire hedge fund manager, Paul Singer, who is Singer

611
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 2: is like one of the most like Okay, as much

612
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: as I don't like Carlan Crowe, like, Singer is like

613
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: one of the most evil people who's ever lived.

614
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: Do you know who Singer is? No, but I'm sure

615
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: this opinion is is singers same opinion as all of

616
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: our advertisers.

617
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: Probably our advertisers probably don't like him. It would not

618
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 2: surprise me. So Singer is just like incredibly unbelievably relentlessly

619
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: aggressive like hedge fund guy, and his thing is he

620
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: like goes into companies and like like makes really embarrassing

621
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: like slideshows about their CEOs and then like deposes them

622
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: and then takes them over and the trip's then for

623
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: assets and sells them all. So that's like the one

624
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: that's like one thing that he does. The other thing

625
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: that he's cool, Well yeah, I mean it sucks because

626
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: like every single person who would work, they lose their drop.

627
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: But this that's the less bad thing that he does, right,

628
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: Like like this this is what I'm talking like, this

629
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: is like legitimate one of the worst people in the world,

630
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: like for like any norm like Mitt Romney, right, like

631
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: that was the worst shit that he ever did. Was

632
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 2: was like just destroying a bunch of people's lives by

633
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: like annihilating these companies. For Singer, that's like that's like

634
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 2: the fuck, that's the bullshit stuff like that. That's like

635
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: that's the fucking brush league shit. Singer's actual game is

636
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 2: so one of the things that happens over the course

637
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: of the seventies and eighties is you get a bunch

638
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: of uh I've talked about this at length of my

639
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: Neylberalist and episodes, But you get a bunch of these

640
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: economies that basically like across the global South that just implode.

641
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 2: And they implode because there's this combination of like commodity

642
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: prices drop and then they have all these adjustable rate

643
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: like loans that they're taken out and when Paul Volker

644
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: hot like hikes interest rates, all of these like loans

645
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: suddenly have like twenty percent interest, And so you have

646
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: all these economies all over the world that just fucking

647
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 2: are imploding because they suddenly have this like unbelievable that

648
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: they can't pay off, and so over the course of

649
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: the nineties, this kind of like anti IMF revolts starts

650
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 2: and I have the International Monetary Fund are the people

651
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: who you're borrowing money from who also destroy your economy

652
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: to like you know, like pay the IMF back the money.

653
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: By the time you get into like the two thousands,

654
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: it's gotten less bad. Well, I guess bad again, tails Nate.

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Speaker 2: But there had been this process of debt restructuring where

656
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: these countries were allowed to like only pay like a

657
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 2: small percentage of the debt because they just literally couldn't

658
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 2: pay it because their economies have been destroyed. Or and

659
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: this is another very common thing. You get a country

660
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: where like a bunch of loans were taken out by

661
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 2: like a dictator and he would just like buy planes

662
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: with them and then he get deposed. But you know,

663
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: the IMF and like the World Bank was still hold

664
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: them liable for the loans. And it's like, well, okay,

665
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 2: like that's like the money's gone right, Like it's in

666
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: like a bunch of gold bars. This guy like drove

667
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: across the border when he like fled.

668
00:35:59,080 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 3: Singer.

669
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: Singer is like the last guy who really goes in

670
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: for like to buy this debt and the result is this, So,

671
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: for example, like he buys a bunch of the debt

672
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: of the Democratic Republic of the Congo and the result

673
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: of this is that he turns like the entire Congoese

674
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: economy into this debt servicing machine. We're like just like

675
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 2: every like there's they're like they're they're there's they're stripping

676
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: the copper wires out of the buildings in order to

677
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: like fucking pay for oh metaphorically, so metaphorically they are

678
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: stripping the copper wires to pay this debt off. Uh,

679
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 2: not metaphorically, they are taking food from the mouths of babies,

680
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: because the way this stuff is paid for is they

681
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: cut a bunch of government assistance programs and they're like,

682
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 2: you know, they don't build fucking hospitals, they don't staff hospitals,

683
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: and so like a lot, Like he has killed a

684
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: lot of people, and his his most famous version of

685
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: this was this battle that he waged against Argentina. So

686
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: in in two thousand and one, there is this massive

687
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 2: like basically like the last twentieth century, like the last

688
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: twentieth century, communist revolution happens in Argentina in two thousand

689
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: and one, and they lose, but it's they they lose

690
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: like pretty it like only pretty narrowly doesn't work. Like

691
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: there is a there is a timeline that is not

692
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: that different from this one, where like like a bunch

693
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: of anarchists basically have taking control of Argentina, and the

694
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: result of this is that Argentina defaults on its debt,

695
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: and you know, they default in this debt, so they

696
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 2: enter this restructuring program, and all of the rest of

697
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: the like people who are like holding this debt are like, okay, well,

698
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: in order to let the Argentina economy recover and get

699
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: like some of this money back, we'll just like let

700
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 2: like okay, well, we'll like write off most of our debt.

701
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: But Singer like looks at this and is like, oh shit,

702
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna buy all this debt that I know

703
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 2: is junk and can't be repaid, and then I'm gonna

704
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: go to the courts in the US and like just

705
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: force Argentina to repay it. Now he sees not how

706
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: debt is supposed to work.

707
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 7: Right.

708
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: The thing about debt, right, the thing about like lending

709
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: someone money or you know, this is what essentially what

710
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: buying someone's debt is right. The thing about that, right

711
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 2: is if the person can't pay you back you're supposed to,

712
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 2: you were out of the money, right like that. That's

713
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: that's that's you know, this is this is the theoretical

714
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: economic justification for why you can charge interest because there's risk.

715
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: But what Singer figured out is that you could just

716
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 2: use the US court system and you know, the threat

717
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: of the the the implicit and explicit threat of the

718
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: US military to just like force people to pay you

719
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: whether they have money or not.

720
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 3: And so and this is what so, this is what

721
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 3: he does.

722
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: He's he's like the one he's the one creditor because

723
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: he buys like an enormous amount of this debt, and

724
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: he's the one creditor who refuses to negotiate. And so

725
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: he like starts running around the US trying to like

726
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 2: steal Argentinian assets, like he tries to have like Argentina's

727
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: central bank reserves seized. There's other like it's the most

728
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: famous incidence, he tries to steal an Argentinian worship in

729
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: order to pay down the debt. There's another one where

730
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 2: like he tries to like he tries to steal Argentina's

731
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 2: entire pension fund. And this causes this like series of

732
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: like lawsuits that sort of like run their way through

733
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: the courts, and in twenty fourteen, one of these cases

734
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: finally makes it to this review court. And this is

735
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 2: where Singers two hundred thousand dollars Alaskan fishing trip pays

736
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: off because Samuel Alito rules that Argentina has to play

737
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: Singer two point four billion dollars and eventually they do so.

738
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: Alito like like he's also he also has another guy

739
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: who just like pays for his vacations. Who's the uh

740
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to say incredibly named

741
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: or disturbingly named, but this guy's name is Robin Arkley

742
00:39:53,760 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: the second wait, Robin Robin Arkley the second second God, Okay, yeah,

743
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: and he's a also like a genuinely terrible person, like

744
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: these are these are all like you read Hitchhickers. Have

745
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 2: you read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? No? Okay, So

746
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: my favorite bit from that is there's a bit where

747
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: like the encyclopedia from the Foundation series, like from the future,

748
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: like falls down and it falls open onto a page

749
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: and someone had just made a joke about how these

750
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: people are gonna be the first against the wall when

751
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 2: the revolution comes. And the Encyclopedia for the Future drops

752
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: down and they open it and it says that these

753
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: two people were first against the wall when the revolution came.

754
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: And that's like all of these people, these are like

755
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: the worst people in the fucking world or like in

756
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: the US.

757
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 3: So this guy.

758
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: Arcley makes his fortune like buying distressed mortgages and then

759
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: for closing on people's houses and flipping them, so he

760
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: is seems like a valuable contributor to the ecail, like

761
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: I you know, I mean this is like this is

762
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: literally like literally one of the old like crime think

763
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: jokes was when the bank seizes your house, the GDP

764
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: GDP goes up. Like that's literally this guy, this, this

765
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: is the guy who makes the GDP go up by

766
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: seizing it by stealing your house. And so this guy

767
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: takes Alito on a bunch of trips. So when when

768
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: Republica like reaches out to Aledo about this, he gets

769
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: so mad that she the Wall Street Journal editorial board

770
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: allows him to publish a like an op ed that

771
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: is just him yelling about how this article that hasn't

772
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 2: come out yet is fake. And one of the specific

773
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: things that he's really mad about is part of this

774
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: article is talking about how the wine at this met

775
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: at this like lodge that he's staying at that's being

776
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: paid for by by the fucking mortgage slipper. Guy has

777
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: a thousand dollars a bottle wine and Claire's time was

778
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: just like, no, the wine is not was not a

779
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a bottle. You can check the website. And

780
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: then Republica was like, well, yeah, but that's because the lodge,

781
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: like the quality of the lodge was downgraded after Alito

782
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: had like one of the like just just just a

783
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: truly incredible meltdown that he was just allowed to have

784
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 2: in the op ed section of the Wall Street Journal

785
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: in like in response, not even in response like before

786
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: this article came out. And the other thing that we

787
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: learned from this is that also apparently former Justice Antonin

788
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: Scalia also was taking trips from this guy. So this

789
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: is just like every conservative like justice in the last

790
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: like twenty years has just been doing this. They've just

791
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: been getting like flown around the world on fancy vacations

792
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: by their billionaire friends. Well, I don't actually know if

793
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 2: I actually might merely be a millionaire. I'm not tired sure,

794
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: but he may might be a billionaire.

795
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 8: I don't know.

796
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 3: The other two definitely are wait millionaire a billionaire because

797
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: those are two very difficult.

798
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: Okay, I I let me let me, let me let

799
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: me google. Is this is this guy a billionaire?

800
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

801
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: Arkley doesn't seem to be a billionaire. He seems to

802
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: merely be Well, no, I've seen in other places that

803
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 2: he is a billionaire.

804
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 8: I don't know.

805
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: There's some dispute actually the guy there's like dispute over

806
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: what's his net worth? Oh, we don't know. It's unclear.

807
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 2: What does there's there's dispute over.

808
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 3: It dispute disputed net worth?

809
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, unclear. The other two guys definitely billionaires. This guy

810
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 2: may be a billionaire unclear.

811
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: But like literally like all of.

812
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: These literally all these estices I have just been like

813
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 2: taking just like and again, any other thing I forgot

814
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: to mention that I should have mentioned. Is it like

815
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: all of these people have had cases appear before the

816
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: Streame court.

817
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: Hmm, curiously.

818
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: And then this is another amazing thing. This is the

819
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: thing that came up like really prominently when there was

820
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 2: a case that you know, there was a case about

821
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 2: the attempt to like overthrow the government in twenty twenty

822
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: or in twenty one that like well in twenty twenty

823
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty one that Thomas like objectively should have

824
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: re queued himself from because his wife tried to throw

825
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: the government and he just didn't. And this and this

826
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: is a this is a really important thing, which is

827
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: that Supreme Court justices it's like your fucking daughter like

828
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: could be one of the plaintiffs in a case and

829
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: you don't have to recuse yourself. Is recruising yourself is

830
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: completely voluntary, m which is not how this works for

831
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: fucking anything else. Right, But again, the Supreme Court is

832
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: not like it's not actually a court. It's just like

833
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: a fucking it's just this like weird dictatorial tribunal that

834
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: is subject to like absolutely no authority whatsoever. And Okay,

835
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: So it also turns out that there's like there's like

836
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 2: yet another layer of fuckery with this, which is that

837
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: universities u Supreme Court used Supreme Court justices to solicit

838
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: donations by like so so they'll they'll have like a

839
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: don invite a justice to like give a talk at

840
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: the university and they'll pay them a bunch of money

841
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: and then they'll they'll have them like go to a

842
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: dinner and then they'll advertise to all their donors like, hey,

843
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: if you give us a bunch of money, you can

844
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: go to this dinner with Supreme Court justice. And so

845
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: a bunch of like like a bunch of people who

846
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: have cases in front of the Supreme Court like use

847
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: this to go get access to a bunch of Spreme

848
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: Court justices. So it's great, this is this is really fun.

849
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: Oh did I did I do the Venmo thing? No,

850
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: I've got the Venmo thing. Okay, Okay, here's the Venmo thing.

851
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: So two days after I started, like like two days ago,

852
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: like from the time of writing this will be like

853
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: like this will actually be like almost exactly. Wow, It'll

854
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 2: be like almost a week from when when this comes out.

855
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 4: Uh.

856
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: There was another thing of this that came out, which

857
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: is that a bunch of lawyers had just been sending

858
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 2: money on Venmo to one of Claren's Thomas's aids. And

859
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: these okay, like the the these these are like these

860
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: are not just people who have like active cases. These

861
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 2: are like like one of the guys who venmoed Thomas's

862
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: aid is the guy who won the affirmative action case.

863
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 3: And another one of the one.

864
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: Of the other lawyers you've met him is the guy

865
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: who I don't know if you remember this, like like

866
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: in like the last like term of the court, there

867
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: was a case where the Supreme Court like fucked the

868
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: EPA's ability to regulate greenhouse gases.

869
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 3: So that lawyer also paid.

870
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: A bunch of money on Venmo Clarence Thomas's aid. So

871
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: this is this is the level though of corruption that

872
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: we're working at, right, which is like people sending public

873
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 2: Venmo transactions to the aids of Supreme Court justices who's

874
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: about who are about to hear their cases.

875
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 8: Uh, that's so good.

876
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: Now there isn't this is.

877
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 2: Happening that the right has built like just an extensive

878
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: and incredibly excessive network to seize control of the judiciary. Uh,

879
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: liberals have produced no such network because they're fucking hacks

880
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: and this and this is not It's not just the

881
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: sort of like there's only one like liberal billionaire, Like, no,

882
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: there are liberal billionaires. The actual real problem with a

883
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: liberal attempt to like take control of the judiciary is

884
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: that like liberal like liberal lawyers are hacks instead of

885
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 2: actually like trying to hold on to like judicial positions, right,

886
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 2: and you know, to have to like move their way

887
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: up through like circuit courts in order to like like

888
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: seize control of like large, like increasingly large portions of

889
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: of the court system, which is all the Republicans did. Uh.

890
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: The Democratic lawyers, they'll they'll get like like they they

891
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: do the even lazier corruption, which is like they'll just

892
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: they'll be a judge for like three years and then

893
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: they'll just leave the private practice because they're all just

894
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 2: fucking greedy shits. And you know the result of this

895
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: is that all these like fucking liberal lawyers, Uh, you know,

896
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: they go into private practice and make a quick buck

897
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: and they leave us to fucking burn to death in

898
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: this smolder and keep while they spend their vacations in Bali.

899
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: And you know, and and again, the only the only

900
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 2: thing that like could conceivably slow down the Supreme Court

901
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: is the fact that like technically speaking, so it's never

902
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: actually gone through, it is possible for like Congress to

903
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: impeach the Supreme Court justice. But the Democrats don't want

904
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 2: to do that because because then the right, we'll be

905
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 2: able to impeach all of the liberals justice.

906
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 3: No, it's worse than that.

907
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: There the actual Biden's actual state of reason for why

908
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: he didn't want to do it is because it would

909
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 2: undermine the legitimacy of the court. And you know, and

910
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: the result of this is that, like for all their

911
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 2: they're fucking screaming about lawlessness and rising crime rates, the

912
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: fucking biggest criminals in the entire goddamn country are just

913
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: literally sitting in their stupid ass robes taking the biggest

914
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: bribes in the history of the fucking republic. And the

915
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 2: Democrats are just like, wow, if we do anything, it'll

916
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 2: undermine the faith in our institutions. So I gad, fuck them.

917
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: But also like, we don't fucking need these people like

918
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: you could, Like you could, you can fit all of

919
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: these people in one submarine and we could just be

920
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 2: fucking dumb with it.

921
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 3: And then if we get a whole bunch of news

922
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: supreper court this is picked by Joe Biden, and they

923
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 3: would save America. So that's why we need to vote

924
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 3: for Joe Biden twenty twenty four. Save America.

925
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is than submarine. This is the submarine plot.

926
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 2: It'll go great.

927
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: We have to mandated submarine vacations for all Supreme courteous

928
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 3: The submarine.

929
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: Is now the only vehicle you're allowed to travel on.

930
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 3: Justice taxpayer funded titanic explorations for all Supreme Court justices.

931
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 2: We're already giving them two hundred and eighty five thousand

932
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: dollars a year. It's not actually that it wouldn't We

933
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: would save money if we just both salary. My position

934
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 2: on this is clear. This is this is a this

935
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 2: is a fiscally conservative position.

936
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: Mostudget can be interpreted as fiscally conservative. It's cheaper to

937
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 3: put all the people in houses than do what we're

938
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: doing now. Anyway, Well, I'm glad we could learn about

939
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 3: how the Supreme Court is good and.

940
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 2: Just well, you know, the second thing you can learn

941
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: is if if you some if you one day somehow

942
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: are like a semi minor Chicago politician, you now know how.

943
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 2: You now know how to launder money.

944
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 3: Which which does sound exciting.

945
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never know, you never know.

946
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for this insightful look at at at

947
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: at at nineteen seventies mystery villain Harlan Crowe, who has

948
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 3: a mansion full of Hitler paintings. This feels like it's

949
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 3: like the it's it's like the location of like a

950
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 3: like of like of like an Agatha Christie like book

951
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 3: or something. Let's all investigate the murder of Harlan Crowe. Spoilers.

952
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 3: It was Supreme Court. It was a Supreme Court justice.

953
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 7: Hello, and welcome to It could happened here. I'm Andrew

954
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 7: of Diiti Channel andrewism.

955
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 3: And Hi, this is this is Garrison. I've not been

956
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 3: on an Andrew episode in a while.

957
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, spin a minute, Spin a minute, and it's been

958
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 7: a meme at this point that Atra or New Zealand

959
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 7: is forgotten, you know, from maps, both physical and mental.

960
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 7: But those islands contain a rich history of activism that

961
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 7: deserves this spotlight.

962
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 3: You know.

963
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 7: Much of what I've discovered has been sounds the academic

964
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 7: efforts of Tayahu and I hope saying the name correctly,

965
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 7: but their research found formed the foundation of my exploration

966
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 7: of just some of the twentieth century history behind contemporary

967
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 7: Maori struggles for auto and me on the islands. The

968
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 7: story of Mari oppression begins not long after the arrival

969
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 7: of European settlers in the late eighteenth century. The Treaty

970
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 7: of Waitangi, signed in eighteen forty between the British Crown

971
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 7: and Mari chiefs, was meant to protect Maori rights and

972
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 7: ensure a peaceful co existence. However, as a bilingual text,

973
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 7: it kind of sucked at being bilingual because some of

974
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 7: the words in the English treaty did not translate directly

975
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 7: into the written Maori language of the time, and to

976
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 7: the Mari text is not an exact translation of the

977
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 7: English text, particuarly in relation to the meaning of having

978
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 7: and seden sovereignty. In other words, the full implications of

979
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 7: what they were signing was not fully understood. The concept

980
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 7: of private land ownership as the British understood it clashed

981
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 7: with Maori communal land practices, which led to a significant

982
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 7: land loss for Maria communities. The New Zealand government implemented

983
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 7: policies and laws that systematically favored European settlers, and throughout

984
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 7: the latter half of the nineteenth century, Mari lost control

985
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 7: of much of the land they had owned, sometimes through

986
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 7: legitimate sale, but often by way of unfaired land deals,

987
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 7: settlers occupying land that had not been sold, or through

988
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 7: outright confiscation in the aftermath of the New Zealand Wars

989
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,479
Speaker 7: and New Zealand Wars, where they also as the Land

990
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 7: Wars or Mari Wars, were a series of conflicts that

991
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 7: took place in Auti Aura between the indigenous married people

992
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 7: and the British government and its colonial forces. These wars

993
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 7: banned from the early eighteen forties to the late eighteen seventies,

994
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 7: and the underlying cause was that very stroubled for land

995
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 7: and resources as European settlers were arriving in increasing numbers

996
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 7: and more and more dispute ceteris and over land ownership

997
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 7: and the interpretation of the Treaty of Watangi. The wars

998
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 7: were fought on multiple fronts involving different married tribes and regions.

999
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 7: Conflicts included the Northern War, the Tehrank, the Taranaki Wars,

1000
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 7: the Wakaito War, and the Tauranga Campaign, and these were

1001
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 7: also characterized by a combination of gorilla warfare, fortifications, and

1002
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 7: conventional military tactics.

1003
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 8: The results, as with pretty much.

1004
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 7: All wars, was the disruption of well in this case

1005
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 7: specifically traditional Mari social structures and economic systems, and the

1006
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 7: results and hardship for those Mari communities and so as

1007
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 7: the nineteen and twentieth century progressed, Mari oppression also manifest

1008
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 7: in the suppression of cultural practices and languages by the government.

1009
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 7: As a government aimed to assimilate Mari into European culture,

1010
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 7: because of course, to them, European culture is considered superior.

1011
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 7: Married children were often forced into English speaking schools where

1012
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 7: their own language and customs were discouraged, and that also

1013
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 7: led to decline the use in transmission of the Mari

1014
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 7: language and the loss of cultural identity for many Maria individuals.

1015
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 7: This I think can be characterized as a cultural genocide. Moreover,

1016
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 7: discriminatory pract justices were prevalent in various areas and putting

1017
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 7: an employment, in housing, and in political representation, married people

1018
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 7: faced significant barriers and discrimination when seeking employment or housing opportunities.

1019
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 7: They were also underrepresented in political institutions, which limits to

1020
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 7: their ability to advocate for the rights and influence decision

1021
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 7: making processes. Now, the seeds of contemporary married activism were

1022
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 7: sowing in the sixties and seventies. Struggles were taking place

1023
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 7: basically from the point of first contact, but Mari activism

1024
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 7: as we understand it.

1025
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 8: Today really launched with a new fervor.

1026
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 7: In the sixties and seventies. The late sixties and early

1027
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 7: seventies really marked a turbulent period globally because there was

1028
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 7: an upsurgent class conflicts and social activism. You know, they

1029
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 7: are the independence movements and decolonization movements happening all over

1030
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 7: the world. It's a time when people all over were

1031
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 7: taking a stand against injustice and fighting for their rights.

1032
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 8: And this wave of political and social movements.

1033
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 7: As soon as the New Left had a profound impact

1034
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 7: on the Islands as well in New Zealand as in elsewhere,

1035
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 7: student activism was really taken shape across the world. Students

1036
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 7: who were protesting against the Vietnam War in the US,

1037
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 7: they were advocating for black liberation, and then they were

1038
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 7: all social movements gave momentum, like the women's liberation movement,

1039
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 7: the anti racism movement, the environmentalism movements, and the game

1040
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 7: that's been rights movements. They were all sparking around the

1041
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 7: same time. So the New Left and autai rower was

1042
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 7: shaped by these international developments. The late nineteen sixties when

1043
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 7: it's a surge in student activism and the emergencyverior social

1044
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 7: movements again environmentalism, women's liberation, anti racism, et cetera. And

1045
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 7: so Mari protest groups were really picking up on those movements,

1046
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 7: and those movements would shape the mindsets and the actions

1047
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 7: of Mari protest groups during that period. They were taking

1048
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 7: the analysis and the understanding of racism and inequalities faced

1049
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 7: by MARI in a broader context, and so they will

1050
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 7: aligning themselves with class struggle as well and were to

1051
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 7: progressify due to the left at large. So this point

1052
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 7: in time, the Maori struggle, it was characterized as largely leftist.

1053
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 7: That is something that will change later on as the

1054
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 7: movements become more heterogeneous, but for now it's been mostly leftist.

1055
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 7: Even though there were some part protest groups that were

1056
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 7: less left oriented and more just you know, national liberation

1057
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 7: and focused, they still saw themselves as part of.

1058
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 8: This broader left movement.

1059
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 7: Okay, they were still actively working to incorporate these radical

1060
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 7: intellectual traditions, particularly Marxism and feminism, into the Maori struggle.

1061
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 7: In the late nineteen sixties, there was this very strong

1062
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 7: collaboration taking place between Pakeha or European New Zealanders and

1063
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 7: Pakeha antiraist groups and the emergent Maori protest movements. One

1064
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 7: significant event that really brought them together was the exclusion

1065
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 7: of Mari rugby players from the nineteen sixty All Black

1066
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 7: Tour of South Africa by the New Zealand Rugby Football Association,

1067
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 7: and that decision, of course sparked widespread opposition because at

1068
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 7: the time South Africa was very much involved in the

1069
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 7: part TI and this decision to exclude Mari rugby players

1070
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 7: from the team and from that particular tour led to

1071
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 7: many protests under this banner of no Maori, No Tour,

1072
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 7: which focused on only in the exclusion of the Maori,

1073
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 7: but also on the morality of engagion with the country

1074
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 7: practicing apartheid. More collaboration would take place in the form

1075
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 7: of the formation of the Halt All Racist Tours Group

1076
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 7: also its Heart in nineteen sixty nine, which is an

1077
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 7: umbrella organization that united a couple different voices and groups,

1078
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 7: both Maori and Pakeha in the opposition to reduce their

1079
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 7: discriminatory sports tours and they ARESO involved organizations like ker

1080
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 7: which included young Mari political.

1081
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 8: Activists among its members, alongside.

1082
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 7: Pakeha political activists in organizing these panel discussions to address

1083
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 7: the position of Mari in New Zealand society.

1084
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 8: And then this is going on. This also the growth

1085
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 8: in the influence of individuals like.

1086
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 7: Gahria te Awaikotuku and John Abatiri began shedding more and

1087
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 7: more light and the barriers that prevented married women specifically

1088
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 7: from fully participated and contributed to Maori society. They were

1089
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 7: out here criticizing the patriarchal nature to show Mari leadership,

1090
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 7: an adivacation for the speaking rights of Mari women tran

1091
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 7: inspiration from the broader, non Mari specific women's liberation movement

1092
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 7: as well.

1093
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 3: So these were like other with these other movements that

1094
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 3: were happening in New Zealand that were kind of working

1095
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 3: together or this just like part of like a broader

1096
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 3: trend of these movements in the sixties.

1097
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 7: Yes, so they were starting to collaborate. At this point

1098
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 7: in time, both Pakeha and Mari poltical organizations were being

1099
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 7: to form connections and spark discussions other Pakia organizations obviously

1100
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 7: being of the leftist variety, and the Maori organizations being

1101
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 7: primarily leftist, apparently aligned themselves with the leftists causes and

1102
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 7: poisical ideologies.

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01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 3: But from like a more like indigenous perspective and standpoint

1104
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 3: and like goals, Yeah, yeah.

1105
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 8: Definactly all right, got it.

1106
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 7: One particular organization, which was forming in the mid nineteen

1107
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 7: seventies was created by Maori women within the Mario activist

1108
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 7: organization Tamatoa, who had embraced a feminist perspective to analyze

1109
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 7: the oppression faced by Mario and particularly and this awareness

1110
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 7: was fueled by their experiences of frustration and anger with

1111
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 7: the Mari land rights movement, because these women are here

1112
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 7: and they're struggling or Mari rights as a whole, but

1113
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 7: then also they're facing issues as women, both in the

1114
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 7: organization and in broader society. So they're fighting to presume

1115
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 7: the politics and culture and language of Mari society while

1116
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 7: also seeking liberation from the oppression that they would face

1117
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 7: in that Maria society. So it's a struggle for both

1118
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 7: preservation and also reformation of Maori society, or rather liberation,

1119
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 7: preservation and reformation. There was also an increase in strike

1120
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 7: activity and general class struggle happening during the late nineteen sixties,

1121
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 7: which had a significant impact in the political education of

1122
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 7: many Mari workers who were fighting for better wages and

1123
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 7: improved working conditions. Trade unions were playing a crucial role

1124
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 7: in providing organizational base for MARI protest groups, as demonstrated

1125
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 7: by the emergence of groups like Tehokioi and the Mari

1126
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 7: Organization on Human Rights or MWHR, both located in Wellington

1127
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 7: and both strongly connected to trade unions. The secretary in

1128
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 7: fact of the MWHR, Tamapuata, was actively involved in the

1129
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 7: Wellington Drivers Union and the New Zealand Communist Party. These

1130
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 7: organizations were advocating for an alliance between MARI and progressive elopments.

1131
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 7: In the working class I view, the fundamental contradiction society

1132
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 7: is being between labor and capital, between workers and bosses

1133
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 7: or landowners, and racism was seen as a consequence of

1134
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 7: class inequality, and the majority of Maori being working class

1135
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 7: were considered an impressed segment.

1136
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 8: Of the working class.

1137
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 7: Both te Pokeioi and m WHR promoted the idea of

1138
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 7: a unified struggle across racial lines, focusing one class B

1139
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 7: strategies as the most effective means of addressing racism and

1140
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 7: reducing MARI inequality. If you pick an up hints of

1141
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 7: class reductionism.

1142
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 3: YEP I was I was actually gonna mention that.

1143
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1144
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, there are some hints of that in this particular approach,

1145
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 7: and you'll see the consequences of that as we progress

1146
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 7: a bit further through the history.

1147
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 3: Like, could you, I mean, could you briefly explain class

1148
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 3: reductionism in case someone is like listening and is unaware

1149
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 3: of that concept.

1150
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 8: Sure. So, class reductionism is basically the.

1151
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 7: Idea that the exportation of label and the exportation of

1152
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 7: the working class by the capitalist class is the fundamental,

1153
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 7: you know, form of oppression within society, and it trumps

1154
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 7: all other social divisions, all of the phones of oppressions

1155
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 7: such as racism or sexism.

1156
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like when you mentioned like they're viewing like racism

1157
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 3: as like a consequence of capitalism, right, That puts racism

1158
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 3: like after capitalism. But racism has existed way before capitalism

1159
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 3: and is manyway one of is it is one of

1160
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 3: the main drivers of capitalism. It's not merely a consequence.

1161
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 3: It's actually like a motivating factor.

1162
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, and particularly their position that focusing on class based

1163
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 7: strategies will be the most effective means of addressing racism. Yeah,

1164
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 7: what I can see from a particular angle considering that

1165
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 7: the majority of Mari will work in class at the time,

1166
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 7: saying that the best way to alleviate their condition were

1167
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 7: to focus on things we do to impact their class position.

1168
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 7: That may be true, but then at the same time

1169
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 7: you also to consider that the racism embedded within you see,

1170
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 7: the society, you're not going to go away just as

1171
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 7: a result of the end to that class based depression.

1172
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 7: To be fair to the MWHR, they will also playing

1173
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 7: an active role in reaison awareness about racism specifically you know,

1174
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 7: in housing, in sports and employment, and in violation generally

1175
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 7: of marrit political rights. They also had a very strong

1176
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 7: stance on issues related to the Treaty of Waitangi, you know,

1177
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 7: the alienation of Mari from the land and the depletion

1178
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 7: of resources and the inability of Maori to access those resources.

1179
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 7: Their stance, interestingly enough, was really on sort of reclaiming

1180
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 7: the Treaty of Waitangi as a potential foundation for harmonious

1181
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 7: and bicultural country with the conditions that past injustices were

1182
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 7: addressed and rectified. However, like I alluded to earlier, there

1183
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 7: would be a shift as the movements would progress. The

1184
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 7: inspirational monum behind the te ho Kioi and MHR had

1185
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 7: begun to weigne, particularly during the lea to mid nineteen seventies,

1186
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 7: and eventually in nineteen seventy five, the m WHR would

1187
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 7: merge with Matekite as part of the Land Rights movement,

1188
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,479
Speaker 7: which marked the end of their separate existence and also

1189
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 7: led to the rise of Brown Power. So if brown

1190
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 7: power sounds like black power, that's because it's copy and

1191
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 7: black power. Similar to the ideologies of black power advocated

1192
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 7: by folks like Kwamiture and Charles B. Hammat, Brown power

1193
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 7: centered on the complete rejection of the racist institutions and

1194
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 7: values of New Zealand society, and the belief that the

1195
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 7: group solidarity was essential effective collective action and negotiation. The

1196
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 7: proponents of brown power urged Maori people to unite to

1197
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 7: recognize their shared history and the faster sent of.

1198
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 8: Solidarity and community.

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01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 7: Significant emphasis was placed on the goal of Marie's self determination,

1200
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 7: which of all, the ability for Maria to define their

1201
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 7: own objectives and to establish their own distinct organizations and institutions.

1202
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 7: So this is like at this point, brown power, much

1203
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 7: like black power, is the opposite of just assimilation or

1204
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 7: adjustment or cohabitation with existing structures. It is a movement

1205
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 7: that desired complete autonomy from those systems, from those structures,

1206
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 7: an assertion of the freedom of married people to exist

1207
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 7: and not have their existence in pots to port. The

1208
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 7: organization Tamatoa initially drew inspiration from the revolutionary faction of

1209
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 7: the Black pap movement in the US. However, as the

1210
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 7: group evolved, different interests and objectives had emerged, which led

1211
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 7: to a division within the movement. On the one side,

1212
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 7: they were the conservative, university educated members such as Sid

1213
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 7: and Hannah Jackson, Peter Reikis, and Donabtiri. And on the

1214
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,959
Speaker 7: other side they were the more militant proponents of black

1215
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 7: or brown power like John Ohio, Paul Kottara and Tednia. Eventually, unfortunately,

1216
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 7: the more conservative members of Tamatoa really took center stage

1217
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 7: in the movement. Their strategies diverged from the militants in

1218
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 7: that they sort changed through alliance with more liberal elements

1219
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 7: within the Ruins. They believed that by implementing appropriate legal measures,

1220
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 7: MARI could achieve prosperity. They were really advocating for like

1221
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 7: wealtha and self help programs for our development, and in fact,

1222
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 7: there was even some belief among them that New Zealand

1223
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 7: capitalism coupled with the parliamentary political system could be rid

1224
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 7: of racism, that you could extract racism from capitalism and

1225
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 7: then everything would be hunky doory.

1226
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah, which is like this perspective, which is like

1227
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 3: the opposite of like the class productionism that we mentioned previously.

1228
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I mean this perspective is exactly

1229
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,560
Speaker 7: the kind of thing that you see manifest again and

1230
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 7: again within political movements so across the world. Really the

1231
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 7: interests of middle class, university educated individuals who are more

1232
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 7: focused on their own individual advancement within the existing system

1233
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 7: than an actual thorough critique of the structure and history

1234
01:08:58,479 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 7: of that system.

1235
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 8: And so when you have when you're fueled by those.

1236
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 7: Individual interests and you're focused on how you can advance

1237
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 7: through that system in business or in politics, whatever the

1238
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 7: case may be, it's very easy to just you know,

1239
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 7: be like, oh, well, how not you guys are talking

1240
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 7: about And I'm sure, but once we get the racism

1241
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 7: out of the way, you know, we can all succeed,

1242
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 7: wink wink.

1243
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 8: But of course that is a rather my opic approach.

1244
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 7: And so as a result of the centrality of those individuals,

1245
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 7: and that particular perspective in the movement, the meaning of

1246
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 7: Brown power as a slogan kind of got watered down.

1247
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 7: It became more ambiguous and potentially associated with either mari

1248
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 7: capitalism or evolutionary activity. Arguably, the same thing could be

1249
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 7: said for Black power. A lot of people, a lot

1250
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 7: of advocates of black power ended up going in the

1251
01:09:54,320 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 7: direction of black capitalism, talented tenth black business, black wealth,

1252
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 7: that kind of thing. And well, we've seen consequences to that.

1253
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 7: I mean, they are more black billionaires and millionaires than

1254
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 7: they ever have been in human history. But that doesn't

1255
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 7: mean racism has been dealt with. Putting aside the capitalist

1256
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 7: oriented advocates of Brown Powell on the revolutionary side, a

1257
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 7: new group would emerged to challenge the system. And this

1258
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 7: group and you're going to you know, going to pick

1259
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 7: up on a little bit of a theme here in

1260
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 7: terms of inspiration. This group was called the Polynesian Panthers.

1261
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 7: Interesting establishing. Yeah, they were established in June of nineteen

1262
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 7: seventy one, and they had a membership primarily composed of

1263
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 7: Pacific Islanders such as simmer Ones, Tongueuns, and New Ones,

1264
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 7: and they drew obviously explicitly inspiration from the Black Panther

1265
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 7: Party in the United States.

1266
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 8: Just a heads up in Maori, well in New Zealand,

1267
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 8: the Mari.

1268
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 7: And the Paqua, the Pakea. The Europeans are the two

1269
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 7: primary groups right, but in New Zealand they are also

1270
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 7: minorities of other Pacific islanders Samoans and Tonguuns and New

1271
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 7: Ones and people from the other smaller islands within Polynesia,

1272
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 7: within the you know area, from those various islands in

1273
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 7: Oceania and the Pacific Ocean, and.

1274
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 8: A lot of them.

1275
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 7: Had arrived as immigrants during the nineteen sixties economic boom

1276
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 7: that had taken place in New Zealand. The founders of

1277
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 7: the Polynesian Panther Party were actually high school students.

1278
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 8: They weren't universittudents, they weren't adults.

1279
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 7: They were mostly from working class first generation families's and

1280
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,679
Speaker 7: their parents were actually encouraged by the New Zealand government

1281
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 7: to migrate as cheap labor during that economic boom. But

1282
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 7: of course, as these things go again once even like

1283
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 7: looking at this history and for any significant length of time,

1284
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 7: you see certain patterns emerge. So governments are going to

1285
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 7: invite you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, migrants come, We'll take

1286
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 7: advantage of your label. And then the second last of

1287
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 7: down to migrants are to blame for everything. So as

1288
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 7: the production boom was subsiding in the mid nineteen seventies

1289
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 7: and living conditions were deteriorating, racism and police harassment against

1290
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 7: Pacific Islanders became even more prevalent. And by the Pacific

1291
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 7: Islanders does technically refer to Mari as well, and the

1292
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 7: Polynesian Panther party position is that Mari our Pacific Islanders

1293
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,719
Speaker 7: are into the part of the Polynesian Panthers, but speaking

1294
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 7: specifically about the migrant Pacific Islanders and they experiencing they're

1295
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 7: doing three, you know, just like the Maori. They're dealing

1296
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 7: with low wages and poor living conditions and the government,

1297
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 7: you know, being migrants, they're an even more precurious position

1298
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 7: because government had taken a more aggressive stance towards over stayers,

1299
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 7: people who overstayed on their work visas, which put these

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Speaker 7: first generation New Zealanders at risk of deportation to countries

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Speaker 7: that they had never visited, had never known, you know,

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Speaker 7: being forced into these precarious circumstances. A lot of young

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01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 7: Pacific Islanders were living in unsafe neighborhoods and a lot

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01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 7: of them felt compelled to join gangs or to stay

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01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 7: hidden at home for survival, and so the Polynation Panthers

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01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 7: really emerged as an alternative option, seeking to provide a

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01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 7: more positive path for young people in Pacific Islander communities.

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01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 7: The Polynesian Panthers were particularly influenced by huy Newton's policy

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Speaker 7: of Black Unity, and also echoed his distinction between revolutionary

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01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 7: and cultural nationalism when debating the conservative members of Nagatamatoo.

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Speaker 7: The Panthers identified their root cause of Pacific calendar oppression

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Speaker 7: within the exploitative social relations of the capitalist system, and

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01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 7: so they advocated for a liberation strategy that involved completely

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01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,759
Speaker 7: overthrowing the capitalist system and the social relations and enabled

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01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,640
Speaker 7: its existence. And so in practice this meant that the

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01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 7: Panthers expressed solidarity with other liberation struggles, oppressed groups and activists,

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01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 7: and ultimately aimed for a global revolution.

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Speaker 8: They worked to.

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01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 7: Empower the Pomation community and improve their quality of life.

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01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 7: They organized strikes and factories with the poor working conditions.

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01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 7: They protested outside substandard housing through the Tenant's Aid Brigade,

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01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 7: They established homework centers to help address educational struggles, and

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01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 7: they focused on the reason awareness of right and entitlements

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01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 7: among Pacific Island of families who were often unaware of.

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Speaker 8: Their legal protections.

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Speaker 7: The fact a lot of the Panthers focus was on

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01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 7: assistant individuals who were caught up in legal issues. They

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01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 7: distributed pamphlets that informed people of their rights, they provided

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01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 7: legal aid for court representation, and they organized buses for

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01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 7: families to visit their loved ones in prison. Fund the

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01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 7: Panthers support and advocacy in them the gratitude of prisoners,

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01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 7: who often contributed a portion of their mega earnings to

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01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 7: the movement. As they shed light on the daily struggles

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01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 7: faced by Maori and also other Pacific Islanders, ranging from

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01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 7: land claims, discrimination, police violence. The Panthers actively worked to

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01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 7: unite Maori and Pacific Islanders in a pan ethnic coalition,

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01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 7: which contrasted with the viewpoint in Nigard Tamato because they

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01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 7: were prioritizing Mari unity above everything else. It almost reminds

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01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 7: me of the the way that sometimes in the US

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01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 7: context there were some organizations, or rather there are some

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01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 7: to me SI of organizations that are attempting now in

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01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 7: the present day, to emphasize African American unity above and

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01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 7: before any other form of Pan Afghanism, more Black unity,

1344
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 7: so an insiduous seeds, to attempt to distance African Americans

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01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 7: from the rest of the BLASBA and to ferment divisions

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01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 7: between African Americans and African immigrants or Caribbean immigrants. So

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01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:14,600
Speaker 7: again the tactics the strategy is the it feels like

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01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 7: a canon event at this point that there will always

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01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 7: be These individuals or groups were trying to find ways

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01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 7: to chop up and to divide troops that should be

1351
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 7: united and have a lot to gain from being united

1352
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 7: in a common struggle. The Panthers, along with any other

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01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,879
Speaker 7: Pacific Island youth, were actively working to support MARI causes,

1354
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 7: including the nineteen seventy five Landmarch and the Bastion Point occupation.

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01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 7: They became one more depth at political lobbying, which became

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01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 7: apparent during the Dawn Rates in nineteen seventies and the

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01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 7: Spring Bok Tour of nineteen eighty one. T Ness was

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01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 7: jailed for his actions during the tour but essentially released

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01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 7: out charge and will Lahya, along with jne Harawira and others.

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01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 7: One trial for two years, only getting off the charge

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01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 7: after and you know they'll come your parents here. Bishop

1362
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 7: Desmond tou Tou, well known South African activist, flew in

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01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 7: to be a character witness for their trial, and I

1364
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 7: think I'm going to put a pin on it. There

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01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 7: covered the seeds of contemporary Maria activism, the trade union movement,

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01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 7: Brown Power, and the Polynesian Panthers. And in the next

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01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 7: episode we'll talk more about the development of the land

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01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:46,560
Speaker 7: rights movement and the weaknesses of the Mari struggle in

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01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 7: the post nineteen eighties context. That's the penal for me.

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Speaker 7: I'm Andrew could follow me a youtubet at andrew'sm and

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01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:59,600
Speaker 7: supporting patron of commns slash Saint Drew. This has been it,

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Speaker 7: hey everyone, and welcome back to it could happen here.

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Speaker 7: In my last part, I spoke a bit about the

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01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 7: historical context of.

1375
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 8: The Mari struggle New Zealand or aut AA.

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01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 7: Spoke about these seeds of contemporary Mari activism, the involvement

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01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 7: of Mari in the trade union movements and the development

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01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 7: of Mari women's movements, as well as the development of

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01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 7: the Brown Power slogan and the split between the movements

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01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 7: more radical and more conservative coalitions, with the former eventually

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01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 7: going on to as inspired by the Black Panther parts

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01:18:55,479 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 7: in the US, formed the Polynesian Panthers. For those on

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01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,719
Speaker 7: where this as it could happen here, I am Andrew

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01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 7: of the channel Andrism, and I'm joined.

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01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 3: By Garrison is also on this zoom call as we discuss.

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01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 8: The Maori land rights movement now.

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01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 7: The struggle against Mario oppression racism led to a division

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01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 7: within the movement regarding whether the existing political structures could

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01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 7: bring about a real change or for complete overthrow of

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01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 7: the system was necessary. The failure to address land alienation

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01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 7: through official channels created a sense of pessimism about the

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01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 7: government's commitments to Mari rights. The Mari land rights movement

1393
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 7: emerged from nineteen seventy five to nineteen seventy eight, bringing

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01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 7: together diverse range of activists the sort of alliances with

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01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 7: workers both Mari and Paquale, viewing them as natural allies

1396
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 7: in the fight against oppression. The common enemy was seen

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01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 7: as the racist and capitalist state. The occupation of Bastion

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01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 7: Point and subsequent viction from Bastian Point intensified the direct

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01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 7: conflict that the movements were happened with the state. It

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01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 7: garnered their public support and also the involvement from the

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01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 7: Paquea left. The Auckland Trades Council placed a quote unquote

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01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 7: green band on the area which went refusing to allow

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01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 7: work to commence on the planned subdivision, and a north

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01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:28,560
Speaker 7: shore contractor even donated six trucks, including two Bitjumin tankers

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01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 7: to help with a planned blockade. The occupation at Bassian

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01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 7: Point was followed by arrests at the Ragland golf Course,

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01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 7: and many of those arrested were representatives of various activist groups.

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01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 7: The land rights movement and the struggle against Racism radicalized

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01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 7: a group of Mari women who were already part of

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01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 7: Nagatamatoa to go on to form the Capital B Capital

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01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 7: W Capital Black Women's Movement. In the early nineteen eighties,

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01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 7: the Waitangi Action Committee married People's Liberation Movement to our

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01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 7: Ta and the Black Women's Movement emerged as prominent Mari

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01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 7: political activist groups, primarily based in Auckland, New Zealand. They

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01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 7: continued the protest tradition of Nagata Matoa with annual protests

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01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 7: to the Watangi Day celebrations, and they even came up

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01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 7: with the idea to call it the Cheaty of White

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01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 7: Tangi instead of the Treaty of White Tanki very clearfl

1419
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 7: and they also called for a boycott of the celebrations.

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01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 7: Not initially, Marie activists had collaborated with certain Pakeha anti

1421
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:42,719
Speaker 7: racist groups, but that association was weakened after divisions emerged

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01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 7: during the anti Springbok tour protests in nineteen eighty one, which,

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01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 7: as you may remember from the previous episode, was a

1424
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 7: protest against the national rugby team's participation in a tour

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01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:57,719
Speaker 7: that included apartheid South Africa. The perception was that Alisa

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01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 7: mang Luri that many Pakeha had failed to recognize the

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01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 7: connection between aparthide in South Africa and colonialism and racism

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01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 7: in New Zealand, and so the bonds between those two

1429
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 7: movements would beginning to weaken. Add On top of that

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01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 7: a prolonged economic crisis that was taking place in New

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01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 7: Zealand during the nineteen seventies nineteen eighties as a result

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01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 7: of course of the inherent tendencies of capitalism. The government

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01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 7: had to grapple with the crisis of political legitimacy and

1434
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 7: of economic management, and that of course fueled further.

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01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 8: Ethnic and gender equalities, further social unrest.

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01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 7: And worstening economic conditions and increases in unemployment.

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01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 8: The upsoar should take place.

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01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:42,959
Speaker 7: During our time in Mari protest really highlighted the marginalized

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01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 7: position that Mario were dealing with. In New Zealand, society

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01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 7: and studies ended up confirming their disproportionately poor educational outcomes,

1441
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 7: high unemployment rates, low incomes health issues, high imprisonment rates,

1442
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 7: low rates of home ownership, and dependence on the state.

1443
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 7: While some ARIA activists that sought strategies to challenge the

1444
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 7: system and addressees inequalities, others ended up pursuing struggles that

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01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 7: posed little threat to the state and fail to address

1446
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 7: the courses of economic and social crisis inherent to capitalism

1447
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 7: and the initial focus of Marie culture nationalism was on

1448
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 7: secure and Marie studies and language programs in the educational system. However,

1449
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 7: the move on eventually shifted its emphasis towards this rediscovering

1450
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 7: Maori history and culture more broadly, and along the way,

1451
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 7: there was less emphasis on putting together a robust political

1452
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 7: movement and robust strategies for broader social change, and while

1453
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 7: Failiar movements had a very clear focus on left wing politics.

1454
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 7: It's also around this time that we see a shift

1455
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:50,600
Speaker 7: towards a broader range of politics, including right wing. One

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01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 7: of the most important books in the Maria Actress movement

1457
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 7: at the time was Donna our Seria's Maori Sovereignty, published

1458
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 7: in nineteen eighty four, and that book was really less

1459
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 7: of a critique of right wing racist politics and more

1460
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,919
Speaker 7: of a critique of left social movements, which, according to Auritiri,

1461
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:10,560
Speaker 7: was committed to a status coo characterized by white supremacy

1462
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 7: and Marie subordination. And she was calling everybody else she

1463
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 7: was called Pakeha activists, whether they be feminist, trade unionists,

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01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 7: socialists or otherwise. She called them all out as ben

1465
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 7: committed to the status quo of white supremacy and Marie'sbbord nation.

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01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 7: Around this time there was also a growing sense that

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01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 7: pake has society was intrinsically based in competition, exploitation and

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01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 7: material success, as opposed to Maori society and Maori values,

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01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:48,719
Speaker 7: which culturally was more communal, more collaborative, and more focused

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01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 7: on the wellness of the whole. And so the solution

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01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 7: was seen as really emphasizing cultural consciousness, but the emphasis

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01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 7: and cultural consciousness Aluin often led Mary away from political

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01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 7: activism and towards purely cultural writer list pursuits. In nineteen

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01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 7: eighty four, the Fourth Labor Government was elected and it

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01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,919
Speaker 7: sort of addressed the rise in Mari protests by enhancing

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01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 7: the status of Mari culture specifically and incorporating Mari representation

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01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 7: and practices within state institution shots. This approach is known

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01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 7: as by culturalism, and it extended the jurisdiction of the

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01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:33,440
Speaker 7: White Tanki Tribunal and incorporated Maori personnel and cultural symbolism

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01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 7: into government institutions.

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01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 8: For those who made a missed up.

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01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 7: The White Tanky Tribunal was basically institutions set up to

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01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 7: deal with specific cases of violations of the White Tangi Treaty,

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01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 7: and so by extending jurisdiction with White Tanki Tribunal by

1485
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 7: incorporating more Maori into positions of government and of power,

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01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 7: this gave this illusion of a partnership and ended up

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01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 7: satisfying some of the mariad for self determination. But at

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01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 7: the same time and again echoes to other movements around

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01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 7: the world. You see that the government seeds a certain

1490
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 7: ground but it does so so it doesn't lose other fights.

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01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 7: It pretends to lose certain battles so that it can

1492
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 7: win the war right because in conceding to more reformist

1493
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 7: demands of the movement, it allowed them to marginalize and

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01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 7: to disempower the movements more radical demands, and it allowed

1495
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 7: them to put forward this pr face of doing a

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01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:42,719
Speaker 7: good thing for the Maria community while not actually challenging

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01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 7: the underlying social relations of racist and capitalist society. Basically,

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01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 7: the state's adoption of ethnic rhetoric and corporation of Mari

1499
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 7: elites into state institutions save to appease a decent portion

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01:26:55,720 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 7: of Mari protests while maintaining the status scope. Now, after

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01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 7: the Labor government had introduced the Treaty of waitang Gi

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01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 7: Amendment Act, which expanded the powers of the White Tangi

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01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:11,719
Speaker 7: Tribunal in nineteen eighty five, the White Tangi Tribunal actually

1504
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 7: had very little power when it came to enforcing its recommendations.

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01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 7: So it would hear out these cases of land theft,

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01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 7: It would hear out, you know, these Maori individuals or

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01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 7: groups would invested a lot of time and energy and

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01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 7: resources into their land claim cases. The tribunal would find

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01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 7: them correct. It's like, oh, yeah, they did steal from you.

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01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 7: You probably should get that land back. But the only

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01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 7: thing is we can really help you. The tribunal, which

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01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 7: was set up to help with these cases, didn't actually

1513
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:44,639
Speaker 7: have the power to enforce its recommendations, to actually enforce

1514
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 7: the settlements. It came to it was toothless to really

1515
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 7: end up being a waste of energy. And at the

1516
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 7: same time, the Labor government was doing some economic restructuring

1517
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 7: and to reduce government expenditure and implement an economic plan

1518
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 7: to restore profitability, which included like deregulation, privatization, dismountling with

1519
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 7: the welfare state. Again echoes this is newliberalism one o

1520
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 7: one Thatcher regan all of u because the claims that

1521
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 7: were made to the wait Tangia Tribunal and the recommendations

1522
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:19,560
Speaker 7: made by the tribunal posed obstacles to that sale of

1523
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 7: state owned enterprises and that further restruction the economy towards

1524
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 7: more new liberal ends. There was a growing scent within

1525
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 7: the government that this was quote unquote special treatment for

1526
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 7: Mari and the political costs associated with the tribunal was

1527
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,600
Speaker 7: just causing too much headache for the government. And so

1528
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 7: by nineteen eighty nine, just four years after they introduced

1529
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 7: that act, under the immense pressure of you know, these

1530
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 7: smart people getting in the way of their ability to

1531
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 7: new liberalize, the Labor government ended up downplaying the significance

1532
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 7: of a treaty policy. And while that's going on, the

1533
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 7: government has co opting key individuals in the Mari protest

1534
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 7: movement through various negotiations and consultations. More and more of

1535
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,600
Speaker 7: this quote unquote Mari elite was being brought into the

1536
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 7: fold of the state. Came in privileged positions and wealth,

1537
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 7: and so they became insulated from the grassroots Marie struggle.

1538
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 7: The following government, not the Labor government, but the national

1539
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:30,680
Speaker 7: government also sort to restore profitable investment in the New

1540
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 7: Zealand economy and to address some of the uncertainty created

1541
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 7: by the treaty claims, and so they went to the

1542
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:43,640
Speaker 7: Mari elite, did their little negotiations and they decided to

1543
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 7: settle certain claims to the fisheries around New Zealand. That

1544
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 7: became known as the Sea Lord's Deal, which caused a

1545
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 7: lot of headache and anger and divisions in the Mari

1546
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 7: community because of the lack of transparency and democracy in

1547
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:01,719
Speaker 7: these negotiations. The it was made between the New Zealand

1548
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 7: government and a group of Mari corporate entities known as

1549
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 7: the Sea Loord Group in nineteen ninety two, and under

1550
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:10,680
Speaker 7: this agreement, the Sea Lord Group, which was said to

1551
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:16,639
Speaker 7: represent Mari interests, acquired a fifty percent steak in Sea Loord,

1552
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 7: which is a major seafood company New Zealand. The other

1553
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 7: fifty percent remained with the Japanese fishing company Nisui, And

1554
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 7: so the deal was seeing as a resolution like, yeah,

1555
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 7: we put ourselves in the back. The Maori were making

1556
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 7: these claims over fishery resources. So we met up with

1557
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 7: to Marie businessmen and gave them a fifty percent steak

1558
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:37,720
Speaker 7: in Sea Lord.

1559
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 8: Problem is solved right now.

1560
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 7: You know they will get some commercial benefits from the

1561
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:45,759
Speaker 7: fishing industry, but no more than fifty percent.

1562
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 8: Though, of course, as a result, a lot.

1563
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 7: Of Maori were arguing that no, this is not adeically

1564
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 7: address ur crevances. The settlement is not sufficient. And on

1565
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 7: top of that, why are you're going to make an

1566
01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 7: these backrooms deals and not consult in the community as

1567
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:05,760
Speaker 7: a whole. The positions or the opinions of one does

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01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 7: that represent all of us? And it's actually kind of

1569
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 7: similar to what was happening during the initial stages of

1570
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 7: the land theft that was taking place during New Zealand's colonization,

1571
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 7: because when I mentioned in the first part that some

1572
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 7: of the land were so legitimately, what I mean by

1573
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 7: that is certain Mari individuals saw an opportunity to profit

1574
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:36,640
Speaker 7: by screwing over everybody else in their community. So they

1575
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 7: would claim, oh, yeah, this is my land, completely disregarding

1576
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 7: the fact that this is coming on land that it

1577
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 7: has been for generations. This is my land, So I

1578
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,639
Speaker 7: will sell it to you. You give me the money,

1579
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 7: and so I, you know, profit and a real sort

1580
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 7: of suck. So as kind of seeing that mirrored in

1581
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 7: this nineties context, and then at this time with the

1582
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 7: divisions in the community over the decisions made by these

1583
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 7: Mari elites, they were even further divisions trained by some

1584
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 7: negotiations that were all taking place for the government's one

1585
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 7: billion dollar fiscal Envelope, which is an attempt to evoke

1586
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:17,560
Speaker 7: a full and final settlement of all remaining treaty of

1587
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 7: Oitangi claims. Basically the government was saying here here have

1588
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:26,679
Speaker 7: some money, get out of the way, shut up bas

1589
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 7: it so called reparations right, and so there was another

1590
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 7: upsurge of Mari protests and you know, more of people

1591
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 7: were frustrated and there was traited desperation because there was

1592
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 7: really a lack of options for resolve and the crievances

1593
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 7: that they were dealing with. Some of the protests were

1594
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 7: continuing the struggle with the land right to move onto

1595
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 7: the nineteen seventies, but others were challenging the decision making power.

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01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:51,760
Speaker 8: Of the EV bodies.

1597
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 7: EV bodies, by the way, are the largest representative bodies

1598
01:32:55,000 --> 01:33:00,720
Speaker 7: of Mari in Altai Aura. They're like mega tribes, and

1599
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 7: so there was an increasing frustration among Samrii of you know,

1600
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 7: these representative bodies inability to accurately represent them. And another

1601
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:14,600
Speaker 7: key component of this division was the fact that the

1602
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 7: more middle class elements or middle class professional elements of

1603
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 7: the Maori population were enjoying an expansion opportunities and were

1604
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 7: growing in wealth and prestige, but they were leaving behind

1605
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 7: the working class Maori population, which was still struggling in

1606
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:35,440
Speaker 7: the same way they had been for decades. The policies

1607
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:39,480
Speaker 7: of both the Labor government and the national government disproportionately

1608
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 7: impacted working class Mari communities, and the movement there was

1609
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 7: supposed to represent them had lost sight of them and

1610
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 7: their interests. There was a lack of intermovement solidarity, of

1611
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 7: pushing for fundamental social change instead of these individual changes,

1612
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 7: and there was a sense of crumblence internal cohesion. Some

1613
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 7: marioctivists such as te Ahu who, like I said in

1614
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 7: My Free Spot, I drew primarily from their work when

1615
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 7: researching this particular history, and they were very critical of

1616
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 7: that historical period and particularly of the personalization of the

1617
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 7: conflict for liberation. And so their position was that by

1618
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 7: focusing on individual relationships and prejudices, rather than challenging the

1619
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 7: systemic structures perpetuating opression, it left the struggle to be

1620
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 7: fought on this individual level, while the larger system was

1621
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:41,759
Speaker 7: left unaddressed. And particularly because you know, in the eighties

1622
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:44,720
Speaker 7: there was a shift away from class struggle as a

1623
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 7: central component of the Maori struggle. Middle class and wealthy

1624
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 7: Mari interests were dominating the conversation and their interests were

1625
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 7: exclusively in cultural nationalism, with no real room for working

1626
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 7: class struggle. For class struggle in any form and then

1627
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:07,640
Speaker 7: part of that whole strategy and that will focus on

1628
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 7: exclusively cultural nationalism would attempt to throw everybody under this one.

1629
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 7: Under this broad brush, right, the wealthy new liberal Mari

1630
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:22,560
Speaker 7: politicians would be in the same vein as the impoverished

1631
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 7: and unemployed working class Mari despite their clear differences and

1632
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 7: access to economic and political power. And so this notion

1633
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 7: of Maria as a homogeneous group with identical experiences and

1634
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 7: political aspirations, disregarding the diversity within Marie society and the

1635
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 7: conflicting political strategies within Marie communities, would really weaken the

1636
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 7: cohesion of the struggle as a whole. And I don't

1637
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 7: know how else to say this except there needs to

1638
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:05,799
Speaker 7: be a recognition of racial struggle, gender struggle with class struggle,

1639
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:15,520
Speaker 7: of struggles for ability and disability justice, like inter sexuality, intersectionality.

1640
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 7: It's really so simple. Cultural nationalism has its place, but

1641
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:27,720
Speaker 7: it's very insufficient and very easily cooptible. That's why the

1642
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 7: New African anarchist Ashanti Austan says that we must go

1643
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 7: beyond nationalism, even.

1644
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:35,720
Speaker 8: If we don't go without it.

1645
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 7: That's why I've made a whole video on the subject

1646
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:43,639
Speaker 7: of nationalism or more specifically national liberation for oppressed groups.

1647
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 7: You see, it's a tool that oppressed people can use

1648
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 7: in their struggle, but it's not enough, and focusing too

1649
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,560
Speaker 7: much on it leaves a lot of exploitable gaps in

1650
01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 7: one's analysis. It's again, it's a tool, not an end

1651
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 7: in itself. It does little to change material realities. Tea

1652
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 7: who in their piece had said that while and I'm

1653
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:12,800
Speaker 7: quoting here, while culture and identity remain absolutely essential to

1654
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:16,759
Speaker 7: Mari social wellbion, it does not automatically follow that cultural

1655
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 7: identity alone should provide the organizational basis for the fight

1656
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 7: against racism and Marie disadvantage. Because identities are blurred and multiple,

1657
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 7: any fight against Mario oppression must be based upon building

1658
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:32,559
Speaker 7: the strongest possible liberation movement by uniting different oppressed groups

1659
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 7: into a common struggle. This is essential because true liberation

1660
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 7: for Mari will not occur without a fundamental transformation of

1661
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 7: capitless society and the creation of a classless society in

1662
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 7: which there is real women's liberation, gay and lesbian liberation,

1663
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:51,800
Speaker 7: and freedom from racism endquote. Historical evidence has shown that

1664
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 7: the political movements based solely on the identity of the

1665
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 7: participants could be very diverse. Let's just say on the

1666
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 7: spectrum there are reactionary and their revolutionary segments of pretty

1667
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 7: much every national liberation movement, from Black Power to Free Palestine.

1668
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:21,560
Speaker 7: Because when the focus is on cultural or national liberation,

1669
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 7: there is a lot of room to adopt a variety

1670
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 7: of approaches and a variety of political aims. I so

1671
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 7: it's a lot of room for middle class interests to

1672
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 7: dominate as they have a lot more time and resources

1673
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 7: to contribute and take over the rhetoric and the messaging

1674
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 7: of the causes. Another example that we see in the

1675
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 7: feminist movement, which in a lot of ways diverge from

1676
01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 7: the struggle of working class women towards the more niche

1677
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 7: interests of you know, the girl bosses who we're facing

1678
01:38:56,560 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 7: genuine hills in their climate, the corporate ladder.

1679
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 8: But in focusing on those instances.

1680
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 7: There was a loss of the needs of working class

1681
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:12,559
Speaker 7: women and the precurious position that when as a whole

1682
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 7: are still in mari. Political activism has always been diverse.

1683
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:22,480
Speaker 7: You know, there's a wide range of strategies, campaigns and participants.

1684
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 7: There's not a unified movement, but there's a heterogenous force,

1685
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:30,759
Speaker 7: with both radical and conservative elements, each pursuing different methods

1686
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 7: to achieve the objectives. There's no unanimous agreement on the

1687
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 7: vision of Tino Rangatira tanga, which is the Marii term

1688
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 7: for Mari self determination. Tino Rangatira tangle can be associated

1689
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 7: with Mari capitalism, electoral power, cultural nationalism, or revolutionary activity.

1690
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:57,240
Speaker 7: In the past, some artists had believe that fundamental transformation

1691
01:39:57,320 --> 01:40:00,640
Speaker 7: the system was necessary for liberation, and so they rejective reformism.

1692
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 7: But the landscape has changed.

1693
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 9: Well.

1694
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 7: Some still advocate for constitutional changes, elector apolitics to address

1695
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:13,600
Speaker 7: systemic issues. Some influential travel executives and corporate warriors are

1696
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 7: even going as fast to argue that Mari can only

1697
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:22,000
Speaker 7: achieve true self determination and liberation through unrestricted free market capitalism.

1698
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 7: The objectives that Tino Rangatira tangle promoted by different groups

1699
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 7: are contradictory because there is no homogeneity in the Mari struggle.

1700
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,320
Speaker 7: But I hope that the takeaway here has been clear,

1701
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 7: and that is the need for a clear intersectional approach

1702
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 7: to revolution in our struggle against racist, sexist, capitalist, et

1703
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 7: cetera society. The Mari movement is still ongoing. And though

1704
01:40:56,920 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 7: the focus of these two parts has been pmarily on

1705
01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 7: the current rather has been primarily on the struggle of

1706
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:09,160
Speaker 7: the sixties, seventies, eighties, and early nineties.

1707
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 8: Mari liberation has not been found.

1708
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:17,200
Speaker 7: Tino Ranga, t your tanga has not been achieved and

1709
01:41:17,240 --> 01:41:18,280
Speaker 7: there's still a long way to go.

1710
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:21,040
Speaker 8: That's it for me again.

1711
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:25,280
Speaker 7: I'm Andrew from the TUE channel Anturism. You can find

1712
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 7: me there and you could support on patre dot com

1713
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 7: slash saying true this has been it could happen here?

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01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:55,120
Speaker 1: Welcome back to It could Happen Here? A podcast about

1715
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 1: things falling apart and about what we like to call

1716
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:02,440
Speaker 1: the crumbleson here. And the key aspect of the crumbles

1717
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:08,520
Speaker 1: is the ongoing resurgence of fascist political parties and politicians

1718
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,120
Speaker 1: in the United States and elsewhere. And today we're going

1719
01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 1: to be talking about about one of said fascists, a

1720
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 1: fella you might have heard of named Ron DeSantis. I'm

1721
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:24,519
Speaker 1: putting Ron, Yeah, Pudding Ron old dasanct demonious. Now, Garrison,

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Speaker 1: you've got a banger of an episode written out here.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at your script right now. It's beautiful. Right

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01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:31,080
Speaker 1: before we get into it, I do want to give

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01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:33,719
Speaker 1: an update on a past subject if it could happen

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01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:37,320
Speaker 1: here Lord Miles Rutledge for those of you who may

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01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 1: not have caught that episode. Lord Miles is a British

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01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 1: Man who went to Afghanistan to hang out and got

1729
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 1: caught up in the Taliban's you know, victory in that war,

1730
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 1: and then turned himself into a danger travel influencer, visiting

1731
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:56,799
Speaker 1: in dangerous place, going to war zones, going to Ukraine

1732
01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 1: and like making it about him. He went back to

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01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:04,040
Speaker 1: Afghanistan because it really was better for his social media

1734
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:07,559
Speaker 1: following than any of the other places he went, bragged

1735
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 1: about breaking laws, including faking his visa, and then got

1736
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:13,800
Speaker 1: arrested and has been radio silent for about the last

1737
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:16,840
Speaker 1: five months now. A lot of people have wondered is

1738
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:19,560
Speaker 1: Lord Miles dead that he liked die in custody in

1739
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 1: the Taliban are trying to keep it a secret, but

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01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:27,479
Speaker 1: worry no longer. Friends today his account posted this is

1741
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 1: a friend of Lord Miles to give an update. Four

1742
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:33,759
Speaker 1: months in Taliban custody. He's treated very well, has several servants,

1743
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:36,640
Speaker 1: loads of movies on his laptop, goes on picnics and

1744
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:40,520
Speaker 1: has tea with the Taliban cabinet government. He still loves Afghanistan.

1745
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 1: And then there's a photo of him giving the thumbs up.

1746
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:47,840
Speaker 1: Dou't so he's not dead, guys. He's in a nice

1747
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 1: Taliban farm upstate. Gets he gets to run all he wants,

1748
01:43:53,040 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, wide open fields. He's super happy. It's really funny.

1749
01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 1: One of his All of these people are so fucking brained, poised,

1750
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:07,200
Speaker 1: brain poisoned, but like a big part of Miles, he

1751
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 1: was like trying to also be kind of a right

1752
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:12,360
Speaker 1: wing influencer. He was doing this like anti woke. The

1753
01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:15,280
Speaker 1: Taliban is awesome and like actually kind of good guys

1754
01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:18,000
Speaker 1: because they they don't like believe in the woke agenda.

1755
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:21,320
Speaker 1: And one of his friends, after this message got posted,

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01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:24,280
Speaker 1: like messaged his account be like, hey, Taliban, if you're

1757
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:26,559
Speaker 1: the guys that have like captured him, we really want

1758
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:28,360
Speaker 1: him back. I'll pay a ransom. I'm like, I know

1759
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:30,640
Speaker 1: this is probably just a misunderstanding because you guys are

1760
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:32,400
Speaker 1: on our side on the anti woke war.

1761
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, I'm sure Taliban cares about the woke culture

1762
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:39,280
Speaker 3: war facing America.

1763
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:42,400
Speaker 1: That's what they're that's what's they're all about. That shit.

1764
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:43,639
Speaker 1: Good work guys.

1765
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:45,600
Speaker 3: I'm sure they tuned in to shot out of the

1766
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:46,960
Speaker 3: every night Oh.

1767
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:50,679
Speaker 1: So funny, so funny. Anyway, that dude Debt is dead

1768
01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:53,200
Speaker 1: as hell. Look, I'm not saying that to gloat. I'm

1769
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:55,080
Speaker 1: just saying that that motherfucker is dead as hell. I

1770
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:57,599
Speaker 1: don't care what a prick he's dead.

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01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 6: Many, many people have died in Afghanistan and it's been

1772
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:04,400
Speaker 6: a tragedy, this one less.

1773
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:07,280
Speaker 1: So anyway, Garrison, please continue.

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01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:12,639
Speaker 3: All right, So we're gonna return to this podcast being

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01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:16,799
Speaker 3: your number one source for slightly homo erotic fascist memes

1776
01:45:17,439 --> 01:45:17,920
Speaker 3: once again.

1777
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:21,600
Speaker 1: That was how we pitched it to iHeartRadio.

1778
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:25,120
Speaker 3: Explaining the erotic fascist themes.

1779
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:27,840
Speaker 1: A lot of people talking about fascists these days, but

1780
01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:29,320
Speaker 1: none of them are homo erotic.

1781
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:34,679
Speaker 3: So on the on the last day of Pride Month,

1782
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:39,719
Speaker 3: Desantas's campaign shared a ad that's been described as bizarre

1783
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 3: and mystifying, where he pedals a whole bunch of pretty

1784
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 3: pretty extreme like homophobia. He attacks Trump for for for

1785
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 3: previous statements that Trump has made regarding LGBTQ rights, and

1786
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:59,759
Speaker 3: then the video kind of transitions and we see basically

1787
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 3: a version of what we're gonna call fash wave, and

1788
01:46:04,439 --> 01:46:07,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna explain all of these terms here in this episode,

1789
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:11,240
Speaker 3: but we're seeing kind of a resurgence of a political

1790
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:14,479
Speaker 3: meme style that was popular years ago. It's kind of

1791
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:17,439
Speaker 3: laid dormant the past year or so for reasons that

1792
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:21,680
Speaker 3: we will very soon discuss. But a whole bunch of

1793
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:25,240
Speaker 3: both conservatives and liberals are kind of not really sure

1794
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 3: how to take this ad shared by the Desanta's campaign

1795
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:33,200
Speaker 3: and are ill equipped to understand what the fuck.

1796
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:33,600
Speaker 2: Is going on.

1797
01:46:34,240 --> 01:46:38,439
Speaker 3: But luckily I am equipped because I spent my teen

1798
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 3: years in telegram chats watching this meme style develop.

1799
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:44,920
Speaker 1: So proud of you, buddy.

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01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:52,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks in the telegram trenches once again.

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01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:53,360
Speaker 1: All right, So.

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01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:58,320
Speaker 3: The first image of Dysantis, when it flashes to this

1803
01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:01,639
Speaker 3: other kind of weird more like oar editing style, has

1804
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:04,360
Speaker 3: him with like these uh these blue or red like

1805
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 3: glowing eyes. And this is gonna be something that is

1806
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:10,240
Speaker 3: going to be a recurring trend that we're gonna be

1807
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:12,280
Speaker 3: talking about in this episode, these like these like glowing

1808
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:15,600
Speaker 3: laser eye type things. So we're gonna start with this

1809
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 3: because this is actually one of the one of the

1810
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 3: most common traits of fash wave, and we've seen this

1811
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 3: be adopted by multiple politicians in the past, and most

1812
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:25,760
Speaker 3: people probably like don't know what the fuck this is,

1813
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:27,519
Speaker 3: like is this like a Superman thing? Like what what

1814
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:30,920
Speaker 3: the fuck is this? So laser eye memes started in

1815
01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:34,960
Speaker 3: the early twenty tens, originally referencing video games like Mass

1816
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:38,080
Speaker 3: Effect two and other like sci fi and superhero media

1817
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:40,600
Speaker 3: people like Superman or anyone with like laser eyes. Is

1818
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:43,600
Speaker 3: also like a a like a cultural touchstone for this

1819
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:47,320
Speaker 3: sort of thing. The laser eyes usually represent like a

1820
01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:51,000
Speaker 3: figure growing in power, So when when someone has laser

1821
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:52,599
Speaker 3: eyes and a meme, it's like they are they are

1822
01:47:52,760 --> 01:47:57,160
Speaker 3: They're gaining power, the gaining security. The The original caption

1823
01:47:57,439 --> 01:48:01,799
Speaker 3: for the early laser eye memes was assuming direct Control,

1824
01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:04,639
Speaker 3: which was also just a video game reference. So again

1825
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:07,599
Speaker 3: I would have someone with like glowing glowing laser eyes

1826
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:11,000
Speaker 3: and text that says like assuming control or assuming direct control.

1827
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:14,439
Speaker 3: So this was this was popping off in like the

1828
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:18,560
Speaker 3: early twenty tens, Around the same time, synth wave and

1829
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:23,000
Speaker 3: vapor wave were gaining traction as both like nostalgic musical

1830
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:28,720
Speaker 3: microgenres and a mimetic visual style featuring neon glitchy kind

1831
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:33,759
Speaker 3: of eighties retrocomputer aesthetics mixed with traditional Greco Roman sculpture

1832
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:36,840
Speaker 3: for a variety of reasons which we'll touch on, but

1833
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 3: vapor wave had influences from video games, cyberpunk anime, and

1834
01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:45,000
Speaker 3: it was it was relatively popular as a microgenre in

1835
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:48,439
Speaker 3: like the twenty teens, and throughout the twenty teens, both

1836
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:52,120
Speaker 3: the laser eye memes were steadily growing in popularity on

1837
01:48:52,240 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 3: places like Reddit and four chun alongside the rise of

1838
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 3: a vapor wave and its kind of surrealist, nostalgia laden

1839
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:04,280
Speaker 3: aesthetics focused on highlighting the comfort and unfulfilled promises of

1840
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:10,320
Speaker 3: the Internet of yester year, and this like nostalgic surrealist

1841
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:14,880
Speaker 3: aesthetic was prime bait for easy co option into the

1842
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:19,720
Speaker 3: reactionary meme variant dubbed fash wave, which soon became kind

1843
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:22,960
Speaker 3: of the de facto esthetic of the then burgeoning alt right.

1844
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:27,400
Speaker 3: Glowing laser eyes on various fascistic political figures became a

1845
01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:29,559
Speaker 3: staple of fash wave during the rise of the alt

1846
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:33,439
Speaker 3: right around twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen. I actually kind

1847
01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:35,559
Speaker 3: of like vapor wave. I think it's maybe a bit

1848
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:39,880
Speaker 3: overplayed now and It certainly is frustrating how much it

1849
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:44,800
Speaker 3: was kind of taken over by reactionaries, because actual vapor

1850
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:49,599
Speaker 3: wave is almost actually like anti capitalistic in a few ways.

1851
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:53,960
Speaker 3: It's kind of it's kind of criticizing the disposableness of

1852
01:49:54,080 --> 01:50:00,280
Speaker 3: like modern consumerist culture using like forgotten eighties technology and

1853
01:50:00,439 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 3: like software that kind of stuff. So I'm looking at

1854
01:50:03,479 --> 01:50:06,559
Speaker 3: two of my little vapor wave images here in the script,

1855
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:09,560
Speaker 3: and it does some of some of the little like

1856
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:11,639
Speaker 3: ways that the images are broken up makes it look

1857
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:15,120
Speaker 3: kind of like like old Internet pop up ads back

1858
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:17,880
Speaker 3: when they had like clearly defined borders and x'es and

1859
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 3: weren't just like overtaking your entire screen and you had

1860
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:23,599
Speaker 3: no way to close them. But you know what does

1861
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:26,760
Speaker 3: kind of overtake your entire viewing experience via an ad.

1862
01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:30,760
Speaker 3: It's it's podcast advertising because it's going to go straight

1863
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 3: into your ears, and there's no way to x out.

1864
01:50:33,400 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 3: You have to you have to suffer through the ad

1865
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:38,200
Speaker 3: unless you unless you figured out that you can press

1866
01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:41,160
Speaker 3: a button that makes you go forward thirty seconds. Anyway, anyway,

1867
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 3: here is here is our beloved, our beloved sponsors who

1868
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:49,000
Speaker 3: fund such vital research that I that I'm doing for

1869
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:52,880
Speaker 3: this episode anyway, the rise of the alt right to

1870
01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:55,280
Speaker 3: this is kind of where where fash wave is both

1871
01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:57,360
Speaker 3: like getting the name fash wave and also you know,

1872
01:50:57,439 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 3: it's becoming a larger problem because there's more Nazis wing around.

1873
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:04,280
Speaker 3: So after the deadly Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville,

1874
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:07,880
Speaker 3: the Altright went through a sort of split between the

1875
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:11,360
Speaker 3: more Trumpian adherents, who made up large parts of the

1876
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:14,000
Speaker 3: then dubbed all to Light, a term we don't really

1877
01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:17,160
Speaker 3: use it very much anymore, and then this kind of

1878
01:51:17,240 --> 01:51:21,839
Speaker 3: other section which had more of the accelerationist neo Nazis

1879
01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:24,920
Speaker 3: who were starting to congregate on the messaging app Telegram.

1880
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:26,760
Speaker 3: And then we have groups kind of like the Proud

1881
01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:28,799
Speaker 3: Boys that are like in between. They're kind of Trumpian,

1882
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:32,400
Speaker 3: they're also also like more fascy, but they're not like

1883
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:36,280
Speaker 3: really full skull mask. Usually some would adopt that esthetic

1884
01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:38,519
Speaker 3: later on, but that's kind of due to this cultic

1885
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:42,679
Speaker 3: milieu that's starting to develop on Telegram. So a fash

1886
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:46,599
Speaker 3: wave largely followed the self proclaimed fascists, so it too

1887
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:50,320
Speaker 3: became the central visual style of the of the burgeoning

1888
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:54,920
Speaker 3: network of militant accelerationist telegram channels, which would eventually be

1889
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:59,000
Speaker 3: dubbed terror Gram Terror as in terrorist. And this was

1890
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:01,639
Speaker 3: combining with a whole bunch of weird factors around twenty

1891
01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:04,320
Speaker 3: eighteen twenty nineteen, including the Boogloo Boys, which Robert has

1892
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:09,120
Speaker 3: written about at length before It's and it was also

1893
01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:12,160
Speaker 3: influenced by the Iron March forums and like the skull

1894
01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:15,240
Speaker 3: Mask network with groups like Adam Waffen and the Bass,

1895
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:16,439
Speaker 3: they were all the.

1896
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 1: Iron March forms are like the Boomers of Nazi Internet people,

1897
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:23,320
Speaker 1: not quite the Boomers, maybe the gen X.

1898
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:26,240
Speaker 3: The jed X, Yeah, very very much, the X.

1899
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:29,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, the forum generation. There's a generation of people. Yeah,

1900
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:33,840
Speaker 1: before social media is it's Nazi something awful, right, It's

1901
01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:35,840
Speaker 1: We're not quite into the chans yet.

1902
01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:39,479
Speaker 3: Yeah. And after Iron March kind of collapsed, a whole

1903
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:42,360
Speaker 3: bunch of these weird accelerationists, we're starting to all congregate

1904
01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:45,840
Speaker 3: on telegram. And this is where we see kind of

1905
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:50,160
Speaker 3: fash wave develop into a much more overt apocalyptic and

1906
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:55,480
Speaker 3: a dooomer focus. The the hontology inspired and nostalgic reflections

1907
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:58,160
Speaker 3: on the false promises of techno capitalism that were already

1908
01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:01,439
Speaker 3: present in vaporwave were ripe ground for the addition of

1909
01:53:01,680 --> 01:53:04,879
Speaker 3: like return to tradition style reactionary fascism.

1910
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:07,559
Speaker 1: Do you explain porntology if people are familiar.

1911
01:53:08,160 --> 01:53:11,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Uh, Hontology is a I mean it started as

1912
01:53:11,439 --> 01:53:13,840
Speaker 3: a term which then developed into a musical genre. But

1913
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:16,960
Speaker 3: it's it's similar to vapor wave. It's about kind of

1914
01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:21,080
Speaker 3: looking back on the unfulfilled promises of the past that

1915
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:23,680
Speaker 3: we were like promised as a culture that then never

1916
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:26,880
Speaker 3: came to place. But these promises still kind of follow us.

1917
01:53:26,920 --> 01:53:29,920
Speaker 3: They kind of like haunt us. If hontology is a

1918
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:32,960
Speaker 3: big reason why liminal spaces got popular because of early

1919
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:36,439
Speaker 3: nineties and uh and two thousands, like aesthetics of like

1920
01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:38,720
Speaker 3: big office buildings that are now left empty.

1921
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:42,560
Speaker 1: Office buildings, like schools, like particularly like the you know,

1922
01:53:42,720 --> 01:53:44,840
Speaker 1: like the doors to a school or whatever. You get

1923
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:48,840
Speaker 1: a lot of like photos of that. Yeah, so stuff

1924
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:52,120
Speaker 1: that makes people feel a longing for a past that

1925
01:53:52,280 --> 01:53:53,080
Speaker 1: was never really real.

1926
01:53:53,439 --> 01:53:56,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like like a longing for like this sense

1927
01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:58,400
Speaker 3: of home and the sense of like a safe home

1928
01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:00,479
Speaker 3: which you maybe that you never actually really had.

1929
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:01,760
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1930
01:54:02,360 --> 01:54:05,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, because she hated being in school, you just have forgot. Yeah,

1931
01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:07,240
Speaker 1: you've kind of athologized it.

1932
01:54:07,560 --> 01:54:11,080
Speaker 6: Like per she calls it post memory, when you re

1933
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:14,040
Speaker 6: remember things based on you know, your sort of coat standpoint.

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01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:14,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1935
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Speaker 3: So the the sort of doom er acelerationism of this

1936
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:21,200
Speaker 3: of this kind of variant of fashwave or this like

1937
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:24,240
Speaker 3: evolution of fash wave was was also accompanied by by

1938
01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:25,840
Speaker 3: groups like the Bogle of Boys who are starting to

1939
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:27,800
Speaker 3: make their memes in this in this style as well.

1940
01:54:28,160 --> 01:54:30,280
Speaker 3: I have I have a few examples of fashwave here

1941
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:33,720
Speaker 3: showing to to Robert and James Sun and rads were

1942
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:36,320
Speaker 3: pretty were pretty popular. It's like the the sun wheel

1943
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:39,280
Speaker 3: version of the swastika essentially, but a lot of these

1944
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:43,600
Speaker 3: are like remember tradition embrace your race with like Nazi

1945
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:48,400
Speaker 3: figures in like this monochrome style over over like scan

1946
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:50,160
Speaker 3: lines like you would see on like a like an

1947
01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:52,280
Speaker 3: old like arcade video game that has like that has

1948
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:56,080
Speaker 3: like a horizon, but you know, all like neon colors

1949
01:54:56,160 --> 01:54:59,080
Speaker 3: kind of kind of like glitchy type stuff. There's there's

1950
01:54:59,160 --> 01:55:02,440
Speaker 3: one Trump one here from like twenty eighteen where he

1951
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:07,320
Speaker 3: has glowing yellow eyes, also in the fashwave style. So

1952
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:12,320
Speaker 3: this was kind of the aesthetic around around twenty nineteen

1953
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:16,960
Speaker 3: here and like fashwave was definitely still common on imageboards

1954
01:55:17,040 --> 01:55:20,360
Speaker 3: like four chan, eight chan, and eight kun, but the

1955
01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:23,600
Speaker 3: ever pressened kind of hitler particles and poor web design

1956
01:55:23,640 --> 01:55:27,000
Speaker 3: on those sites drove away most of the mega conservatives

1957
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:31,160
Speaker 3: who might try to stumble on to four chan or

1958
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:33,400
Speaker 3: to eight chan to like watch q and on stuff.

1959
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:35,040
Speaker 3: It was just it was just the site was too

1960
01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:39,760
Speaker 3: hostile to them and then circled Like twenty twenty, among

1961
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:44,280
Speaker 3: waves of Twitter and Facebook suspensions, Trump supporters and high

1962
01:55:44,360 --> 01:55:48,440
Speaker 3: profile far right figures started congregating on other platforms. A

1963
01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:51,800
Speaker 3: few Twitter clones popped off, like Parlor and eventually Trump's

1964
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:55,520
Speaker 3: Own Truth Social but a number of mega conservatives also

1965
01:55:55,680 --> 01:55:59,520
Speaker 3: ended up on Telegram, in part due to telegrams largely

1966
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:04,520
Speaker 3: off approach to moderation. So around this twenty twenty and

1967
01:56:04,600 --> 01:56:08,400
Speaker 3: like just post twenty twenty time period is when Telegram

1968
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:12,240
Speaker 3: began functioning as the far right's very own cultic milieu,

1969
01:56:12,720 --> 01:56:16,720
Speaker 3: a sort of like shared online space where various memes, ideologies,

1970
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:20,720
Speaker 3: conspiracy theories, and propaganda could all intermingle with each other

1971
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:24,120
Speaker 3: and spread. Now, part of this is how Telegram operates

1972
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:26,520
Speaker 3: as a platform. I'm going to quote from an article

1973
01:56:26,920 --> 01:56:31,000
Speaker 3: about Telegram and the cultic milieu from logically quote. Telegram

1974
01:56:31,160 --> 01:56:34,560
Speaker 3: offers features that straddle the line in between social media

1975
01:56:34,720 --> 01:56:38,760
Speaker 3: and messaging app. Users can create channels which function as

1976
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:41,200
Speaker 3: one way message channels that allow someone to send a

1977
01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:44,800
Speaker 3: feed of messages available to all of their subscribers. Public

1978
01:56:44,920 --> 01:56:47,520
Speaker 3: channels and group chats are searchable by name, allowing anyone

1979
01:56:47,600 --> 01:56:50,200
Speaker 3: to subscribe to a public channel or join a public group.

1980
01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:54,040
Speaker 3: Channels and groups are uniquely connected on Telegram. When a

1981
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:57,640
Speaker 3: message is forwarded from a public channel into another channel

1982
01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:01,040
Speaker 3: or group, it links back to the origin group, creating

1983
01:57:01,120 --> 01:57:04,800
Speaker 3: a chain in between different channels and groups. Another common

1984
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:07,840
Speaker 3: feature is for users to advertise for channels and groups

1985
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:11,680
Speaker 3: in other channels and groups, with some users creating directories

1986
01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:14,680
Speaker 3: of these channels and these big group chats that have

1987
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:18,840
Speaker 3: extremist content unquote. So this kind of interconnected nature that

1988
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:22,400
Speaker 3: allows this chain link of being able to award a message,

1989
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:24,640
Speaker 3: Like you have a Telegram channel with like three thousand

1990
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 3: people in it and you post fash raight memes. You

1991
01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:28,840
Speaker 3: can make some fash rave memes in the style of

1992
01:57:29,120 --> 01:57:32,240
Speaker 3: like Trump, and then you can forward this message to

1993
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:35,560
Speaker 3: a Trump channel that has forty five thousand members in it.

1994
01:57:36,040 --> 01:57:38,240
Speaker 3: They see this meme, they might like it, they click

1995
01:57:38,360 --> 01:57:40,800
Speaker 3: the meme, it sends them back into your three thousand

1996
01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:43,000
Speaker 3: person channel. So now they're going to getting exposed to

1997
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:44,720
Speaker 3: all of the other weird shit you have going on.

1998
01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:47,240
Speaker 3: So it became a really easy way to kind of

1999
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:50,120
Speaker 3: make a rabbit hole and like a pipeline for people

2000
01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:53,760
Speaker 3: to get exposed to new aesthetics, new ideologies, and especially

2001
01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:57,200
Speaker 3: conspiracy theories. I think we should have an ad break

2002
01:57:57,280 --> 01:58:00,160
Speaker 3: now and we will return to talk about the the

2003
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:04,360
Speaker 3: increased Trumpian focus on fash wave that happened as a

2004
01:58:04,440 --> 01:58:07,440
Speaker 3: result of this kind of telegram cross proliferation.

2005
01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:11,360
Speaker 1: That's right, everybody, We're going to break for ads from

2006
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:16,120
Speaker 1: our sponsors, who also sponsor Lord Myles Rutledge. So you know,

2007
01:58:16,240 --> 01:58:19,760
Speaker 1: let's hear it up for these ads from the Taliban. Ah,

2008
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:23,000
Speaker 1: we're back. And I don't know about you guys, but

2009
01:58:23,720 --> 01:58:26,200
Speaker 1: Taliban's making a lot of sense these days to me.

2010
01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:27,080
Speaker 2: Good.

2011
01:58:28,160 --> 01:58:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like their war on wokeness.

2012
01:58:32,280 --> 01:58:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking speaking speaking of a war on wokeness.

2013
01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:43,120
Speaker 1: Leads us right back to oleron well, meatball ron.

2014
01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:48,200
Speaker 3: So to understand what the fuck is going on in

2015
01:58:48,240 --> 01:58:50,440
Speaker 3: that Rhonda Santis video. This is probably one of the

2016
01:58:50,480 --> 01:58:53,040
Speaker 3: most important, important little tidbits of knowledge that some people

2017
01:58:53,080 --> 01:58:56,680
Speaker 3: may be overlooking. Is this brief fever dream known as

2018
01:58:56,920 --> 01:59:01,280
Speaker 3: Dark Mega. Oh god, yeah, good to us.

2019
01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:04,080
Speaker 1: No, I know, I'm just glad. Yeah, I'm glad. This

2020
01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:05,800
Speaker 1: one didn't work out the way they'd hope.

2021
01:59:05,880 --> 01:59:08,640
Speaker 3: No, it did not work out, so the opposite of

2022
01:59:08,720 --> 01:59:12,360
Speaker 3: the way they hoped. Yeah. So, because of this kind

2023
01:59:12,360 --> 01:59:16,400
Speaker 3: of Telegram cross proliferation, the far rights memetic aesthetic went

2024
01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:20,560
Speaker 3: through a sort of coagulation after twenty twenty, which eventually

2025
01:59:20,640 --> 01:59:25,400
Speaker 3: resulted in the upsetting, albeit short lived Dark Mega, also

2026
01:59:25,480 --> 01:59:29,040
Speaker 3: known as Ultra Mega, both of which are horrible names.

2027
01:59:29,640 --> 01:59:33,400
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, I remember Ultra Mega being big and

2028
01:59:33,480 --> 01:59:36,400
Speaker 6: like people putting their Twitter handles along with like the eagle.

2029
01:59:36,160 --> 01:59:36,720
Speaker 8: And a flag.

2030
01:59:37,240 --> 01:59:37,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2031
01:59:38,160 --> 01:59:38,200
Speaker 6: So.

2032
01:59:39,240 --> 01:59:43,320
Speaker 3: The Dark Mega trend started around a year after the

2033
01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:46,880
Speaker 3: January sixth capital attack and steadily grew in popularity for

2034
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:48,760
Speaker 3: the next few months during the lead up to the

2035
01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:53,320
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two midterm elections. After two years of right

2036
01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:57,680
Speaker 3: wing influencers and politicians operating in Telegram's cultic milieu, the

2037
01:59:57,840 --> 02:00:01,680
Speaker 3: influence of militant acceleration is propaganda is immediately apparent in

2038
02:00:01,800 --> 02:00:06,320
Speaker 3: this new stylistic iteration, which is basically downstream from fash wave.

2039
02:00:07,400 --> 02:00:12,640
Speaker 3: Dark Mega promoted a form of dystopian inspired overt authoritarianism

2040
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:17,000
Speaker 3: with the assumed direct control laser eyes front and center,

2041
02:00:17,080 --> 02:00:22,400
Speaker 3: and for emphasizing militaristic domestic connotations. Dimlylit images were usually

2042
02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:26,440
Speaker 3: edited in red or blue monochrome. Dramatic images of Trump

2043
02:00:26,480 --> 02:00:29,240
Speaker 3: are fairly prominent, as is the presence of weapons and

2044
02:00:29,400 --> 02:00:33,640
Speaker 3: the occasional Nazi symbol. I have two examples of fashwave

2045
02:00:33,680 --> 02:00:37,280
Speaker 3: here for for for the UH for the gallery. James,

2046
02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:38,680
Speaker 3: what do you what do you.

2047
02:00:38,680 --> 02:00:39,080
Speaker 2: Think of this.

2048
02:00:40,720 --> 02:00:41,000
Speaker 1: Of these?

2049
02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:42,320
Speaker 3: Of these two pictures.

2050
02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:45,840
Speaker 6: First of all, they look like somebody used like a

2051
02:00:46,120 --> 02:00:49,720
Speaker 6: MS paint, Like it's kind of that. That's the tear

2052
02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:53,600
Speaker 6: of work when none of these are well edited. No,

2053
02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:56,880
Speaker 6: they're not horror, Yeah it is.

2054
02:00:57,440 --> 02:00:59,440
Speaker 1: It is one of them, the one on the left.

2055
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:04,240
Speaker 1: He looks like it's like like the eighth movie in

2056
02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:07,520
Speaker 1: like a Jason or Freddy type series right where it's

2057
02:01:07,560 --> 02:01:11,160
Speaker 1: like straight to DVD, Like they're moving that shit right

2058
02:01:11,240 --> 02:01:13,040
Speaker 1: into the red box. And they just paid a guy

2059
02:01:13,200 --> 02:01:15,240
Speaker 1: forty five dollars to mock up a cover.

2060
02:01:15,480 --> 02:01:17,800
Speaker 3: Like he is it is it is it is. It

2061
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:23,080
Speaker 3: is a to B and direct to digital make I do.

2062
02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:25,880
Speaker 6: He's like it looks like it's like like being developed

2063
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:27,520
Speaker 6: in a dock room. It's like red and black.

2064
02:01:27,640 --> 02:01:30,120
Speaker 1: It's like all red and black. His eyes are glowing blue.

2065
02:01:30,200 --> 02:01:31,280
Speaker 3: He's a skit.

2066
02:01:31,680 --> 02:01:33,920
Speaker 1: It appears to be like a long a springfield long

2067
02:01:34,040 --> 02:01:35,920
Speaker 1: rifle or something like that. I couldn't tell you the

2068
02:01:36,040 --> 02:01:40,040
Speaker 1: exact type, but that does I am now thinking about, Like, so,

2069
02:01:40,240 --> 02:01:42,720
Speaker 1: if you've ever loaded black powder, you tend to like

2070
02:01:42,840 --> 02:01:46,200
Speaker 1: have you know, like a wrapped you know, cartridge that's

2071
02:01:46,200 --> 02:01:47,760
Speaker 1: got the ball and the powder and you rip it

2072
02:01:47,800 --> 02:01:49,760
Speaker 1: in half in your mouth and you pour the powder

2073
02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:52,160
Speaker 1: and then you like expect the anyway, Trump is such

2074
02:01:52,200 --> 02:01:54,920
Speaker 1: a germophobe. I just desperately want to see him try

2075
02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:57,800
Speaker 1: to like manage a black powder rifle. I would, I

2076
02:01:57,840 --> 02:02:01,600
Speaker 1: would really deeply enjoy that. It's as good as a

2077
02:02:01,960 --> 02:02:05,640
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson shooting. They like the sec fire rifle was

2078
02:02:05,680 --> 02:02:07,800
Speaker 1: a very funny moment. Yeah, the guys who pretend to

2079
02:02:07,880 --> 02:02:08,920
Speaker 1: light guns so.

2080
02:02:09,800 --> 02:02:13,320
Speaker 3: And then the the other more horror inspired one has

2081
02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:16,360
Speaker 3: has texted the bottom that says it's time to just

2082
02:02:16,640 --> 02:02:20,280
Speaker 3: kill them with again with triumph and red lacer eyes.

2083
02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:21,760
Speaker 7: I was.

2084
02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:25,960
Speaker 3: I was upset to find out that the original person,

2085
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:30,040
Speaker 3: like the original like Nazi who coined the term dark Mega,

2086
02:02:30,120 --> 02:02:32,840
Speaker 3: which which which kind of started this trend. Uh followed

2087
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:36,720
Speaker 3: me on Twitter, which wasn't wasn't great? Oh no, oh no,

2088
02:02:37,640 --> 02:02:41,200
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, so that was that was a fun thing

2089
02:02:41,240 --> 02:02:44,480
Speaker 3: I discovered over the course of researching this episode. So

2090
02:02:45,320 --> 02:02:48,480
Speaker 3: one pro Trump and neo Nazi described dark Mega as such,

2091
02:02:48,640 --> 02:02:52,080
Speaker 3: quote dark Mega is the aesthetic demand that Trump embrace

2092
02:02:52,160 --> 02:02:54,920
Speaker 3: a harder and more focused approach in the role only

2093
02:02:55,080 --> 02:02:58,800
Speaker 3: he can fill. He was too kind hearted, too forgiving

2094
02:02:59,400 --> 02:03:05,040
Speaker 3: Dark Mega demands he learned from his mistakes. Another dark

2095
02:03:05,120 --> 02:03:08,560
Speaker 3: Mega propelled it just described uh described the intentionality behind

2096
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:11,360
Speaker 3: the movement of being quote if you want to win,

2097
02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:14,120
Speaker 3: if you don't want to repeat the past, you have

2098
02:03:14,320 --> 02:03:17,720
Speaker 3: to get mean. You have to almost embrace the villain

2099
02:03:17,880 --> 02:03:23,600
Speaker 3: role that they're bringing you with. So that's fun. But uh,

2100
02:03:23,880 --> 02:03:26,240
Speaker 3: but like dark Mega's ambitions were to be more than

2101
02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:29,240
Speaker 3: just a meme, but instead kind of be the first

2102
02:03:29,320 --> 02:03:32,680
Speaker 3: real attempt at a coherent post at right aesthetic that

2103
02:03:32,840 --> 02:03:36,879
Speaker 3: was being pushed by mainstream political actors Uh. And included

2104
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:40,760
Speaker 3: in this push was kind of a pressuring back toward

2105
02:03:41,160 --> 02:03:45,680
Speaker 3: militant posturing after the failed pseudo coup on January sixth,

2106
02:03:45,960 --> 02:03:48,520
Speaker 3: because in those first few months after JA six, everyone

2107
02:03:48,640 --> 02:03:51,560
Speaker 3: was like, oh, you know, we probably shouldn't be doing

2108
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:55,600
Speaker 3: super overt like violent propaganda if we're if we're like

2109
02:03:55,680 --> 02:03:58,120
Speaker 3: on the right. And then over over time, and I

2110
02:03:58,200 --> 02:04:00,920
Speaker 3: think Dark Mega was part of this, was the right

2111
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:04,320
Speaker 3: realizing that maybe they should just keep going and like

2112
02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:07,640
Speaker 3: go back to that much more kind of like Milton

2113
02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:10,760
Speaker 3: posturing that they were doing beforehand. I have, I've I

2114
02:04:10,840 --> 02:04:14,440
Speaker 3: have a few other a few other dark Dark Mega

2115
02:04:14,520 --> 02:04:18,080
Speaker 3: images here one with Trump and a skull mask and

2116
02:04:18,600 --> 02:04:21,920
Speaker 3: UH and pit vipers holding a Bible in front of

2117
02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:23,160
Speaker 3: a pit vipers.

2118
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:27,320
Speaker 1: Pit Vipers are a type of like ski sunglasses that

2119
02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:30,200
Speaker 1: have a very distinctive look. There's nothing wrong with them.

2120
02:04:30,240 --> 02:04:32,240
Speaker 1: The company is actually anti Nazi.

2121
02:04:32,560 --> 02:04:32,720
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2122
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:35,680
Speaker 1: Never people post their pit vipers pictures. They will like

2123
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:38,560
Speaker 1: donate the price of that pair of pit vipers to

2124
02:04:39,080 --> 02:04:41,720
Speaker 1: you know, the ad L or something. But they've become

2125
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:45,280
Speaker 1: a signifier for Nazis for reasons that we probably don't

2126
02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:45,880
Speaker 1: need to explain it.

2127
02:04:46,200 --> 02:04:48,520
Speaker 3: No, but you can read an article by me and

2128
02:04:48,640 --> 02:04:50,280
Speaker 3: Robert and Bellingcatter about white boys.

2129
02:04:50,840 --> 02:04:55,040
Speaker 2: Want you really need that right now if you really

2130
02:04:55,080 --> 02:04:56,760
Speaker 2: want to hear more about pit vipers.

2131
02:04:58,080 --> 02:04:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can explain this ship at length.

2132
02:05:00,080 --> 02:05:02,680
Speaker 3: Row and then and then I have these two other

2133
02:05:02,760 --> 02:05:05,600
Speaker 3: images of Trump in front of these American flags, and

2134
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:08,120
Speaker 3: one of them's edited in a glitchy style with him

2135
02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:10,880
Speaker 3: holding a It looks like some type like machine gun

2136
02:05:11,000 --> 02:05:13,640
Speaker 3: or something. Tommy, Yeah, it might be.

2137
02:05:14,160 --> 02:05:16,520
Speaker 1: It can't really tast too small to see. No, No,

2138
02:05:16,680 --> 02:05:19,200
Speaker 1: that's got to be some sort of like either ar

2139
02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:22,400
Speaker 1: nine millimeter carbine with a suppressor on. It is what

2140
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:23,680
Speaker 1: it looks like to me.

2141
02:05:23,960 --> 02:05:27,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's generic. He's

2142
02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:31,000
Speaker 6: gonna yeah, it's kind of Wolfenstein style almost that one.

2143
02:05:31,120 --> 02:05:34,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, all of these guys are obsessed with Wolfenstein. Yes,

2144
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:37,880
Speaker 3: oh yeah, very good, James, you figured it out.

2145
02:05:38,440 --> 02:05:41,800
Speaker 1: There's a longer conversation to be had because Wolfenstein the

2146
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:46,080
Speaker 1: most recent game, not a pro Nazi game, anti Nazi,

2147
02:05:46,280 --> 02:05:48,760
Speaker 1: but because you know, it's it's a game where like

2148
02:05:48,840 --> 02:05:51,400
Speaker 1: the Nazis won the war and you're like fighting the YadA, YadA, YadA,

2149
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:53,960
Speaker 1: because they're trying to do like future Nazi troopers, and

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Speaker 1: it's like a video game where you want to make

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Speaker 1: the bad guys look cool, same thing as like making

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02:05:57,240 --> 02:05:58,720
Speaker 1: the demons look cool and doom and.

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Speaker 3: That you know, very very selectively edited clips of Wolfenstein

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02:06:06,720 --> 02:06:10,560
Speaker 3: cut scenes and music appears in fashwave propaganda fairly often.

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02:06:10,920 --> 02:06:13,200
Speaker 3: The Pierce in schizowave propaganda, which is kind of another

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02:06:13,800 --> 02:06:16,640
Speaker 3: downstream iteration of vash wave, which I am not going

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Speaker 3: to cover on this episode. And I guess the one

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02:06:19,800 --> 02:06:22,200
Speaker 3: other meme style we have here is red and dark

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02:06:22,240 --> 02:06:25,280
Speaker 3: blue monochrome with Trump with these blue laser eyes. And

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Speaker 3: this is kind of the this is like the main

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02:06:28,120 --> 02:06:31,040
Speaker 3: dark mega aesthetic here is this one that's just like

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02:06:31,600 --> 02:06:35,760
Speaker 3: red with with with with like a dark dark blue

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02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:39,560
Speaker 3: as like the accent and then these little laser eye things.

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02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:45,840
Speaker 3: So dark megas had the goal of serving as both

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Speaker 3: a rebrand and an attempt to reunify the various disparate

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02:06:50,040 --> 02:06:54,040
Speaker 3: factions of the online right into using attention grabbing authoritarian

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02:06:54,120 --> 02:06:58,240
Speaker 3: propaganda to push Trump and his supporters even further into

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Speaker 3: the extreme while holding on the legitimacy that is lacking

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02:07:02,880 --> 02:07:05,960
Speaker 3: in the contemporary sketchiness of like the Proud Boy groups

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02:07:06,080 --> 02:07:09,360
Speaker 3: or like Patriot Front, which especially after J six, the

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02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:12,760
Speaker 3: Proud Boys legitimacy took a big hit, and all of

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02:07:12,840 --> 02:07:15,320
Speaker 3: these fucking Dark Mega guys think that Patriot Front's like

2173
02:07:15,360 --> 02:07:19,160
Speaker 3: a fed op. So it's it's it's it's it's a

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Speaker 3: it's a way to kind of like push a new

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02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:23,400
Speaker 3: version of the alt right that still relies on the

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02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:27,600
Speaker 3: legitimacy of Trump. To quote the Institute for Strategic Dialogue quote,

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02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:31,160
Speaker 3: the secondary aim of Dark Mega is to launder more

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02:07:31,240 --> 02:07:35,360
Speaker 3: extreme narratives and aesthetics into the mainstream Trumpist movement, an

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02:07:35,400 --> 02:07:38,960
Speaker 3: attempt to introduce mainstream conservatives to more extreme parts of

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02:07:39,040 --> 02:07:43,480
Speaker 3: the right through melding Trump memes with these different aesthetics. So,

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02:07:44,040 --> 02:07:47,480
Speaker 3: like we kind of mentioned before, the previous attempt at

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02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:50,360
Speaker 3: this was the White Boy Summer trend from twenty twenty one,

2183
02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:54,160
Speaker 3: which I and Robert have already wrote about before. And

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02:07:54,440 --> 02:07:57,040
Speaker 3: White Boy Summer was influenced by very similar kind of

2185
02:07:57,200 --> 02:08:00,960
Speaker 3: fash wave telegram asthetics, but it was really successful in

2186
02:08:01,120 --> 02:08:05,879
Speaker 3: leaking through to one or two Republican politicians, namely Paul Gosar.

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Speaker 1: Paul Gosar, you can look him up if you want

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02:08:08,960 --> 02:08:11,840
Speaker 1: He's one of the Republicans who had a degree of

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Speaker 1: mainstream legitimacy and was also super tight with like just

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Speaker 1: straight up we want to set off Bomb's place as Nazis. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But Dark Mega, on the other hand, was picked up

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02:08:24,360 --> 02:08:27,800
Speaker 3: by a large handful of conservative politicians as well as

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02:08:27,880 --> 02:08:31,240
Speaker 3: like the usual suspects made up of right wing influencers

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02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:35,240
Speaker 3: and content creators. Among the Dark Mega proponents were Republican

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02:08:35,280 --> 02:08:39,120
Speaker 3: candidates like Tim Swain, a former strategist now Blazed TV

2196
02:08:39,240 --> 02:08:44,000
Speaker 3: employee Logan Hall, Andrew McCarthy, far right propagandist Jack Sobiek

2197
02:08:44,880 --> 02:08:50,320
Speaker 3: now former Congressman Madison Cawthorne, and former White House lawyer

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02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:56,040
Speaker 3: Andrew Closter, and was even boosted by the father of accelerationism,

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02:08:56,520 --> 02:09:03,680
Speaker 3: Nick Land, was a brief Dark Mega proponent himself. Famously,

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02:09:03,800 --> 02:09:06,760
Speaker 3: Marjorie Taylor Green joined in on the action in May

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02:09:06,840 --> 02:09:10,520
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty two under the hashtag ultra Mega, but

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02:09:10,640 --> 02:09:14,840
Speaker 3: with the same like red monochrome images with the big

2203
02:09:15,080 --> 02:09:21,600
Speaker 3: glowing eyes. Probably the most upsetting bit of Dark Mega

2204
02:09:21,680 --> 02:09:26,040
Speaker 3: lore was a post that Madison Cawthorne wrote on Instagram.

2205
02:09:26,440 --> 02:09:30,240
Speaker 3: He had this post full of like here's the list

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02:09:31,200 --> 02:09:34,000
Speaker 3: of America First Conservatives. Look how small the list actually

2207
02:09:34,080 --> 02:09:37,200
Speaker 3: is the people who are truly America First. And attached

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02:09:37,240 --> 02:09:40,160
Speaker 3: to this little image of this list, he wrote an

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02:09:40,240 --> 02:09:44,080
Speaker 3: extremely unhinged Dark Mega post. This was also in May

2210
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Speaker 3: of twenty twenty two. Quote the time for genteel politics

2211
02:09:48,280 --> 02:09:51,360
Speaker 3: as usual has come to an end. It's time for

2212
02:09:51,480 --> 02:09:55,200
Speaker 3: the rise of the new Right. It's time for Dark

2213
02:09:55,320 --> 02:09:59,400
Speaker 3: Mega to truly take command. We have an enemy to defeat,

2214
02:09:59,600 --> 02:10:01,560
Speaker 3: but we will will never be able to defeat them

2215
02:10:01,920 --> 02:10:05,200
Speaker 3: until we defeat the cowardly and weak members of our

2216
02:10:05,280 --> 02:10:10,040
Speaker 3: own party. Their days are numbered. We are coming unquote.

2217
02:10:10,960 --> 02:10:16,640
Speaker 3: So this rhetoric did not secure Vess and cawthorne continued

2218
02:10:16,680 --> 02:10:18,800
Speaker 3: employment in the House of Representatives.

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02:10:19,280 --> 02:10:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it turns out most people in national politics are

2220
02:10:25,200 --> 02:10:29,520
Speaker 1: not entirely telegram brained. They cannot just had their skulls

2221
02:10:29,600 --> 02:10:30,720
Speaker 1: melted by that shit.

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02:10:33,640 --> 02:10:40,480
Speaker 3: So yeah to quote, so yeah to quote. An analysis

2223
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:43,680
Speaker 3: from the Global Network on Extremism and Technology quote, Dark

2224
02:10:43,760 --> 02:10:47,600
Speaker 3: Mega is an embodiment of the revenge president burst from

2225
02:10:47,720 --> 02:10:50,880
Speaker 3: the far rights urge to reclaim what they crave and

2226
02:10:51,000 --> 02:10:55,040
Speaker 3: have lost power. Proponents seek to punish their political enemies

2227
02:10:55,080 --> 02:10:59,120
Speaker 3: without attending to political correctness. Dark Mega is an appeal

2228
02:10:59,240 --> 02:11:03,120
Speaker 3: to accept the tr true desires of the most dissident

2229
02:11:03,360 --> 02:11:07,280
Speaker 3: Trump supporters and mainstream their feelings through the medium of memes,

2230
02:11:07,560 --> 02:11:11,520
Speaker 3: which played a crucial role in twenty sixteen election. So

2231
02:11:12,040 --> 02:11:14,920
Speaker 3: dark Mega peaked as an online search topic back in

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02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:17,600
Speaker 3: May of twenty twenty two, and it may have reached

2233
02:11:17,680 --> 02:11:21,560
Speaker 3: like peak popularity in actual like spread of memes as

2234
02:11:21,640 --> 02:11:24,560
Speaker 3: early as March of twenty twenty two. I think I

2235
02:11:24,600 --> 02:11:26,120
Speaker 3: think it peaked in May because there was a few

2236
02:11:26,160 --> 02:11:28,280
Speaker 3: news articles about it, so more kind of normies were

2237
02:11:28,400 --> 02:11:31,280
Speaker 3: like googling what it was. But it act the actual

2238
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:33,520
Speaker 3: peak was only in March of twenty twenty two. It

2239
02:11:33,640 --> 02:11:37,680
Speaker 3: only lasted like three months. You can you can still

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02:11:37,800 --> 02:11:42,520
Speaker 3: find some dark Mega bubbling under the surface, but only

2241
02:11:42,680 --> 02:11:45,480
Speaker 3: by like random Nazis and like that doesn't that doesn't

2242
02:11:45,520 --> 02:11:47,880
Speaker 3: that that's not signifying any kind of like political movement.

2243
02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:53,400
Speaker 3: And the reason why dark Mega kind of stopped being

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02:11:53,480 --> 02:11:56,600
Speaker 3: effective in between between March and May of twenty twenty

2245
02:11:56,640 --> 02:12:00,280
Speaker 3: two is that there was there was there was something

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02:12:00,360 --> 02:12:03,160
Speaker 3: that happened that summer uh and and that spring that

2247
02:12:03,400 --> 02:12:07,520
Speaker 3: effectively killed dark Mega while also dealing a pretty big

2248
02:12:07,680 --> 02:12:11,280
Speaker 3: body blow to fast Wave in general, and we will

2249
02:12:11,400 --> 02:12:16,720
Speaker 3: learn more about about Brandon's special secret operation in part two.

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Speaker 3: That's right, this is going to be a surprise two

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02:12:19,600 --> 02:12:22,320
Speaker 3: parter because because I wrote get too many words.

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02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:25,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because this took an hour and a half

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02:12:26,120 --> 02:12:30,320
Speaker 1: to record of dense, dense information. So now now it's

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02:12:30,360 --> 02:12:32,640
Speaker 1: two days. You guys get to enjoy this for two days.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I hope you guys have a wonderful Christmas as well.

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Speaker 3: Let's go Brandon.

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02:12:54,200 --> 02:12:55,040
Speaker 8: Let's go Brandon.

2258
02:12:55,120 --> 02:12:58,080
Speaker 3: I agree, let's uh, let's talk about let's go Brandon.

2259
02:12:58,960 --> 02:13:03,520
Speaker 3: The iintained the only good thing Biden has done so far.

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02:13:05,360 --> 02:13:11,240
Speaker 1: It's pretty funny. It's very funny. So this is like

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02:13:11,440 --> 02:13:15,240
Speaker 1: also the sort of attitude that is actually necessary to

2262
02:13:15,480 --> 02:13:18,560
Speaker 1: like win the culture war side of these things. It's

2263
02:13:18,600 --> 02:13:21,400
Speaker 1: not like defending yourself. And it's not when they do

2264
02:13:21,600 --> 02:13:24,480
Speaker 1: something like put out this meme, like being like, oh

2265
02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:27,720
Speaker 1: my god, this is so dangerous and like semi responsible,

2266
02:13:27,960 --> 02:13:31,240
Speaker 1: no funk with him right back, you know, like boh,

2267
02:13:31,880 --> 02:13:34,520
Speaker 1: put some glowing eyes on Joe Biden and make it

2268
02:13:34,600 --> 02:13:37,920
Speaker 1: looks like he plans to shoot somebody. You know, it's funny.

2269
02:13:38,760 --> 02:13:42,160
Speaker 3: So let's talk about the rise of Dark Brandon.

2270
02:13:42,680 --> 02:13:46,040
Speaker 1: And also the other thing that they're kind of deterning

2271
02:13:46,160 --> 02:13:50,360
Speaker 1: and reposting with here is like taking the uh what

2272
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:56,040
Speaker 1: is it, taking the fucking Brandon memes and let's go

2273
02:13:56,160 --> 02:13:59,040
Speaker 1: Brandon and going uh being like all right, yeah, fuck it,

2274
02:13:59,120 --> 02:14:02,400
Speaker 1: call him Brandon. Doesn't hurt us, like, yeah, we'll be branded.

2275
02:14:02,480 --> 02:14:05,760
Speaker 6: But Biden did that himself when someone asked him about it,

2276
02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:07,640
Speaker 6: he didn't know what it meant, and he was like, yeah.

2277
02:14:07,520 --> 02:14:08,400
Speaker 1: Let's go Brandon.

2278
02:14:08,800 --> 02:14:11,280
Speaker 3: I actually I actually already had that clip inserted of

2279
02:14:11,640 --> 02:14:14,760
Speaker 3: above this conversation James, good job, good job, We're on

2280
02:14:14,840 --> 02:14:15,400
Speaker 3: the same page.

2281
02:14:15,880 --> 02:14:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is disturbing given the content.

2282
02:14:18,440 --> 02:14:22,920
Speaker 3: So Dark Brandon combines two different pro Trump memes while

2283
02:14:23,000 --> 02:14:26,120
Speaker 3: trying to subvert them both pretty successfully. I would say,

2284
02:14:26,840 --> 02:14:30,920
Speaker 3: I'm assuming everyone listening to this is familiar with the

2285
02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:34,000
Speaker 3: fuck Joe Biden, let's go Brandon kind of evolution, So

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02:14:34,040 --> 02:14:36,680
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna skip right past that because the other

2287
02:14:36,760 --> 02:14:38,640
Speaker 3: half of Dark Brandon, I think is a little bit

2288
02:14:38,640 --> 02:14:43,520
Speaker 3: more interesting. So Dark Brandon began with chronically online leftists

2289
02:14:43,640 --> 02:14:47,960
Speaker 3: doing a satirical riff on Dark Mega, replacing the figure

2290
02:14:48,040 --> 02:14:51,760
Speaker 3: of Trump with an alter ego of Biden and having

2291
02:14:51,800 --> 02:14:55,120
Speaker 3: this like mirror universe president appear as some kind of

2292
02:14:55,320 --> 02:15:00,360
Speaker 3: like neoliberal socialist demagogue, because when you replace the fascist

2293
02:15:00,440 --> 02:15:05,080
Speaker 3: figure with some largely ineffectual liberal given like militaristic and

2294
02:15:05,200 --> 02:15:09,640
Speaker 3: socialist or anti fascist catchphrases, but like otherwise leave the

2295
02:15:09,720 --> 02:15:14,120
Speaker 3: rest of the authoritarian, ascetic stylings of fascism, the result

2296
02:15:14,240 --> 02:15:17,879
Speaker 3: is pretty funny because it's Joe Biden.

2297
02:15:18,520 --> 02:15:18,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2298
02:15:20,880 --> 02:15:24,600
Speaker 3: So again, I think I've read a lot of stuff

2299
02:15:24,640 --> 02:15:27,080
Speaker 3: on this, and there's like a two two to like

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02:15:27,120 --> 02:15:29,120
Speaker 3: academic reports on on Dark Brandon.

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02:15:29,640 --> 02:15:29,760
Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Some people believe that Dark Brandon started as like a

2303
02:15:33,840 --> 02:15:36,640
Speaker 3: right wing meme. They are they are mistaken. They are

2304
02:15:36,760 --> 02:15:41,600
Speaker 3: misreading irony poisoned leftists as being like like alt right memesters.

2305
02:15:41,960 --> 02:15:45,000
Speaker 3: Common common mistake, but also yeah.

2306
02:15:46,160 --> 02:15:48,640
Speaker 1: You would because she you wouldn't want to be stuck

2307
02:15:48,720 --> 02:15:50,640
Speaker 1: in a car with any of them right now.

2308
02:15:54,760 --> 02:15:59,720
Speaker 3: But Dark Brandon evolved into satirically imagining what if Joe

2309
02:15:59,760 --> 02:16:03,440
Speaker 3: Biden aiden was actually the militant communist dictator many on

2310
02:16:03,560 --> 02:16:05,760
Speaker 3: the right made him out to be, with all of

2311
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:09,080
Speaker 3: the authoritarian impulses of Dark Mega turned on its head

2312
02:16:09,120 --> 02:16:14,080
Speaker 3: and ironically targeted against Trumpian conservatives, Dark Brandon can be

2313
02:16:14,200 --> 02:16:17,720
Speaker 3: seen hunting down a Trump voters for execution, or sitting

2314
02:16:17,800 --> 02:16:20,760
Speaker 3: on a throne of air fifteen's with yellow laser eyes,

2315
02:16:22,680 --> 02:16:26,080
Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna play. I'm gonna play one video for

2316
02:16:26,200 --> 02:16:26,960
Speaker 3: us to watch here.

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02:16:30,280 --> 02:16:31,040
Speaker 1: Voted for president.

2318
02:16:31,800 --> 02:16:37,960
Speaker 3: There's no way out you Joe Biden's America.

2319
02:16:38,240 --> 02:16:40,160
Speaker 1: He's putting on a skullman.

2320
02:16:44,320 --> 02:16:46,560
Speaker 3: Tie me to a missile and fire me into the suburbs.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready, genuinely quite amazing.

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02:16:54,480 --> 02:16:58,520
Speaker 3: It's pretty funny. It's pretty funny stuff. I do like

2323
02:16:58,680 --> 02:17:01,600
Speaker 3: the way that like Dark Brandon ed its work is

2324
02:17:01,879 --> 02:17:04,880
Speaker 3: there's there's there's this one smile that Biden does that

2325
02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:08,320
Speaker 3: looks very like evil and mischievous that if you edit it,

2326
02:17:08,800 --> 02:17:11,840
Speaker 3: if you like edit in after you says something ridiculous,

2327
02:17:11,879 --> 02:17:15,880
Speaker 3: it's pretty funny. So here we have a meme about

2328
02:17:16,200 --> 02:17:20,520
Speaker 3: Joe Biden publicly executing Patriot Front members after they got

2329
02:17:20,600 --> 02:17:27,280
Speaker 3: arrested in Idaho. And probably my favorite Dark branded meme

2330
02:17:27,640 --> 02:17:31,320
Speaker 3: is a picture of Biden with sunglasses and a list

2331
02:17:31,360 --> 02:17:36,720
Speaker 3: of names. Has shinzo albe neutralized, gas prices neutralized, COVID

2332
02:17:36,800 --> 02:17:43,640
Speaker 3: nineteen neutralized, Antifa fully armed? Roe v Wade too coming soon,

2333
02:17:44,200 --> 02:17:51,440
Speaker 3: Global Homo coming soon, Communism coming soon, which is pretty funny.

2334
02:17:52,040 --> 02:17:52,480
Speaker 1: It's good.

2335
02:17:53,120 --> 02:17:55,760
Speaker 3: So one of the reasons that Dark Brandon was able

2336
02:17:55,800 --> 02:17:59,720
Speaker 3: to flourish where Dark Mega stagnated is that the Biden

2337
02:17:59,800 --> 02:18:03,080
Speaker 3: verse is both based on and never lost its sense

2338
02:18:03,120 --> 02:18:07,560
Speaker 3: of irony, imagining the feeble, bumbling Biden as some like

2339
02:18:07,720 --> 02:18:11,920
Speaker 3: hard lined, ruthlessly effective tyrant is in it is like

2340
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:15,359
Speaker 3: in innately humorous premise from like from the very beginning.

2341
02:18:15,800 --> 02:18:18,680
Speaker 3: The ironic nature also made a Dark Brandon all but

2342
02:18:18,879 --> 02:18:22,520
Speaker 3: impervious from attack by conservative commentators on the right, because like,

2343
02:18:22,959 --> 02:18:25,080
Speaker 3: how can you attack this vibe like it's it's so

2344
02:18:25,360 --> 02:18:27,560
Speaker 3: ironic and absurd that like there's no way to be like,

2345
02:18:27,920 --> 02:18:32,960
Speaker 3: look how dangerous the dark brighton memes, eyes glo, what

2346
02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:33,840
Speaker 3: like come.

2347
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:34,240
Speaker 2: On, come on?

2348
02:18:34,400 --> 02:18:40,360
Speaker 3: Guess. So Dark Brandon grew in popularity as Biden's Inflation

2349
02:18:40,480 --> 02:18:44,360
Speaker 3: Reduction Act also known as the IRA Past Last Summer

2350
02:18:44,800 --> 02:18:50,120
Speaker 3: and memes out of that too, and it also it

2351
02:18:50,320 --> 02:18:54,080
Speaker 3: also kind of spread Afternows broke that an American drone

2352
02:18:54,080 --> 02:18:57,000
Speaker 3: strike killed the then leader of al Qaeda on July

2353
02:18:57,160 --> 02:19:01,160
Speaker 3: thirty first, twenty twenty two. Sound this time period is

2354
02:19:01,240 --> 02:19:04,840
Speaker 3: when Dark Brandon broke containment. So Dark Brandon kind of

2355
02:19:04,879 --> 02:19:08,640
Speaker 3: started in March of twenty twenty two, and by early

2356
02:19:08,720 --> 02:19:13,520
Speaker 3: August it has now left the irony poisoned leftist like

2357
02:19:13,760 --> 02:19:17,160
Speaker 3: Twitter sphere and has now broken out and is freely

2358
02:19:17,280 --> 02:19:22,840
Speaker 3: swimming around the liberal populace. So come August, Dark Brandon

2359
02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:26,880
Speaker 3: no longer belonged to leftist ship posters. Liberals started to

2360
02:19:27,040 --> 02:19:29,760
Speaker 3: catch on and make Dark Brandon memes of their own,

2361
02:19:30,120 --> 02:19:35,960
Speaker 3: albeit much more cringey boomer versions, And although most of

2362
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:40,240
Speaker 3: these liberals probably didn't really know what was quite being satirized,

2363
02:19:40,640 --> 02:19:43,480
Speaker 3: that didn't stop them from trying to emulate this cooler,

2364
02:19:43,640 --> 02:19:47,360
Speaker 3: more edgy version of Biden with glowing eyes. So here

2365
02:19:47,440 --> 02:19:53,000
Speaker 3: I have two liberal memes here, with someone reacting to

2366
02:19:53,080 --> 02:19:55,840
Speaker 3: the news that there was no civilian casualties in the

2367
02:19:55,879 --> 02:20:00,920
Speaker 3: drone strike at Kilty al Kainda leader having Biden shooting

2368
02:20:01,000 --> 02:20:03,840
Speaker 3: laser eyes down from orbit, and then also him eating

2369
02:20:03,879 --> 02:20:06,640
Speaker 3: ice cream in front of an explosion, which is horrible,

2370
02:20:06,720 --> 02:20:09,760
Speaker 3: like a not very good meme, but the fact that

2371
02:20:09,840 --> 02:20:13,240
Speaker 3: there was bad, like very very bad, low quality dark

2372
02:20:13,280 --> 02:20:15,720
Speaker 3: branded memes is actually very important for later.

2373
02:20:16,080 --> 02:20:18,920
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yes, no, it's good that this happened.

2374
02:20:19,200 --> 02:20:22,440
Speaker 11: Yes, the Internet has taken notice, and now there's a

2375
02:20:22,520 --> 02:20:27,119
Speaker 11: new meme out there known as dark Brandon, which shows

2376
02:20:27,160 --> 02:20:32,840
Speaker 11: a badass Biden with super villain laser beam eye malls.

2377
02:20:34,640 --> 02:20:38,920
Speaker 3: The liberalization of dark Brandon was met with sadness from

2378
02:20:38,959 --> 02:20:43,720
Speaker 3: the original memesters that pioneered the overtly ironic dictatorial Brandon

2379
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:48,880
Speaker 3: who commanded battalions of Antifa. The ongoing liberal co option

2380
02:20:48,959 --> 02:20:51,320
Speaker 3: of dark Brandon was thought to signal the death of

2381
02:20:51,360 --> 02:20:55,760
Speaker 3: the meme, although a completely unintended positive side effect of

2382
02:20:55,879 --> 02:20:59,840
Speaker 3: this recuperation seems to be taking hold. We'll have more

2383
02:21:00,120 --> 02:21:02,760
Speaker 3: that later. I have I have a four other pretty

2384
02:21:02,840 --> 02:21:04,599
Speaker 3: bad dark Brandon memes.

2385
02:21:04,320 --> 02:21:08,720
Speaker 1: Here go on with corn ROAs is fully fully sent me.

2386
02:21:10,440 --> 02:21:12,560
Speaker 3: It's not good. There's there's two of these are like

2387
02:21:12,640 --> 02:21:19,840
Speaker 3: photoshop movie posters with Biden's face extremely poorly photoshopps on Tomeo's.

2388
02:21:19,720 --> 02:21:25,000
Speaker 1: Ship photoshops again this is MS paint.

2389
02:21:26,360 --> 02:21:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then a poster for the Dark Brandon rises

2390
02:21:30,959 --> 02:21:35,000
Speaker 3: with the tagline that the malarchy will end. Not not

2391
02:21:35,280 --> 02:21:42,279
Speaker 3: very good memes. So it wasn't just overly online democrats

2392
02:21:42,320 --> 02:21:44,920
Speaker 3: on social media who were spreading these dark branded memes.

2393
02:21:45,320 --> 02:21:49,600
Speaker 3: Soon enough, White House staff joined in to celebrate the

2394
02:21:49,680 --> 02:21:53,480
Speaker 3: passing of the kind of Neutered Inflation Reduction Act. On

2395
02:21:53,640 --> 02:21:57,160
Speaker 3: August seventh, the White House Digital Director shared a high

2396
02:21:57,240 --> 02:22:01,400
Speaker 3: contrast photo of Biden grinning with red laser eyes pointed

2397
02:22:01,520 --> 02:22:05,360
Speaker 3: towards the camera that quickly went viral. Senator Chris Murphy

2398
02:22:05,400 --> 02:22:08,320
Speaker 3: of Connecticut posted a dark branded meme which was a

2399
02:22:08,520 --> 02:22:11,800
Speaker 3: drawing with yellow glowing eyes later that same day, and

2400
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:16,080
Speaker 3: the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee posted the same

2401
02:22:16,200 --> 02:22:19,840
Speaker 3: picture as well, and the Deputy White House Press Secretary

2402
02:22:19,959 --> 02:22:24,200
Speaker 3: Andrew Bates posted a whole ass dark branded meme, writing

2403
02:22:24,800 --> 02:22:28,360
Speaker 3: dark Brandon is crushing it with a horribly cringing photo

2404
02:22:28,720 --> 02:22:32,560
Speaker 3: abided with red laser eyes and a white text that reads,

2405
02:22:32,959 --> 02:22:35,879
Speaker 3: your malarkey has been going on for long enough.

2406
02:22:35,800 --> 02:22:39,640
Speaker 1: Kiddo, Like, oh my god, oh my god. Now you

2407
02:22:39,760 --> 02:22:42,240
Speaker 1: know what, Garrison, we were just celebrating this, but I

2408
02:22:42,320 --> 02:22:43,680
Speaker 1: think I am now a fascist.

2409
02:22:44,560 --> 02:22:49,560
Speaker 3: It's done it. The White House Staff Secretary joined in

2410
02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:52,720
Speaker 3: by responding to a tweet saying laser's shooting out of

2411
02:22:52,800 --> 02:22:56,279
Speaker 3: Joe Biden's eyes is an official statement of administration policy

2412
02:22:56,640 --> 02:23:02,359
Speaker 3: by saying that is indeed an official physician what anyway?

2413
02:23:02,520 --> 02:23:04,160
Speaker 1: So God damn it.

2414
02:23:04,879 --> 02:23:08,800
Speaker 3: Many people, myself included, suspected that Dark Branded would suffer

2415
02:23:08,879 --> 02:23:11,760
Speaker 3: through kind of a regular meme cycle and die off

2416
02:23:11,840 --> 02:23:15,400
Speaker 3: pretty soon once it hit this like peak popularity, But

2417
02:23:15,640 --> 02:23:20,360
Speaker 3: somehow Brandon showed a surprising amount of resiliency, partially due

2418
02:23:20,360 --> 02:23:23,520
Speaker 3: to liberals being a few months behind and they're being

2419
02:23:23,600 --> 02:23:27,120
Speaker 3: really nothing else for liberals to meme about, because this

2420
02:23:27,320 --> 02:23:30,160
Speaker 3: was like one of the this time in Biden's presidency

2421
02:23:30,240 --> 02:23:32,200
Speaker 3: was the first time the Democrats actually felt like they

2422
02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:36,080
Speaker 3: had something to celebrate, and having this kind of overly

2423
02:23:36,200 --> 02:23:39,640
Speaker 3: outrageous kind of joking meme was like the first bit

2424
02:23:39,760 --> 02:23:43,160
Speaker 3: of like agit prop that liberals have like done since

2425
02:23:43,240 --> 02:23:45,440
Speaker 3: Trump went out of office, and it's also like the

2426
02:23:45,520 --> 02:23:48,080
Speaker 3: first effective edgeprop they've ever done period.

2427
02:23:48,760 --> 02:23:48,920
Speaker 2: Now.

2428
02:23:49,200 --> 02:23:53,720
Speaker 3: Dark Brandon showed one other surprising trait very soon, the

2429
02:23:53,840 --> 02:23:58,879
Speaker 3: ability to influence actual Joe Biden. On September first, Biden

2430
02:23:58,959 --> 02:24:02,520
Speaker 3: gave a prime time bombastic speech addressed to the nation

2431
02:24:02,879 --> 02:24:06,000
Speaker 3: and spoke about the threats to American democracy from extremist

2432
02:24:06,120 --> 02:24:10,840
Speaker 3: mega forces. Joe Biden stood outside of Independence Haul in Philadelphia,

2433
02:24:11,360 --> 02:24:14,960
Speaker 3: lit with high contrast red lights and uniformed marines on

2434
02:24:15,080 --> 02:24:19,599
Speaker 3: either side. Far right politicians and influencers reacted with shakunhorror,

2435
02:24:19,760 --> 02:24:24,560
Speaker 3: calling the speech demagogic, outrageous, and divisive, while liberals and

2436
02:24:24,640 --> 02:24:27,880
Speaker 3: even some leftists praised the speech for accurately addressing the

2437
02:24:28,000 --> 02:24:31,520
Speaker 3: threat posed by far right actors in this country. But

2438
02:24:31,800 --> 02:24:34,800
Speaker 3: both of those on the right end left definitely noticed

2439
02:24:34,879 --> 02:24:39,640
Speaker 3: the frank brandonness of the entire thing, especially with this

2440
02:24:39,760 --> 02:24:42,040
Speaker 3: being less than a month after the White House's own

2441
02:24:42,240 --> 02:24:45,840
Speaker 3: Brandon posting. The red lights, the background marines, and the

2442
02:24:45,920 --> 02:24:49,040
Speaker 3: impassioned and oddly well delivered appeal to fight for the

2443
02:24:49,160 --> 02:24:52,279
Speaker 3: soul of the country from the Trumpian mega extremist political

2444
02:24:52,360 --> 02:24:57,760
Speaker 3: faction set on dismantling democracy played very well. The whole

2445
02:24:57,840 --> 02:25:01,039
Speaker 3: thing felt very Dark brandon Esque, and the takeaway many

2446
02:25:01,040 --> 02:25:04,800
Speaker 3: people had is that they had somehow memed Dark Brandon

2447
02:25:04,920 --> 02:25:12,320
Speaker 3: into existence. Do you know who else you don't want

2448
02:25:12,360 --> 02:25:16,720
Speaker 3: to fuck with? It's the products and services that support

2449
02:25:17,000 --> 02:25:22,920
Speaker 3: this vital, academic level research into Dark Brandon. Truly truly

2450
02:25:23,080 --> 02:25:27,760
Speaker 3: unparalleled work on the part of myself. You're welcome, here's

2451
02:25:27,800 --> 02:25:32,080
Speaker 3: fucking ads. All right, we are back. Let's talk even

2452
02:25:32,200 --> 02:25:36,680
Speaker 3: more about Dark Brandon. I cannot believe I wrote three

2453
02:25:36,760 --> 02:25:38,960
Speaker 3: thousand over three thousand words on this all right, So,

2454
02:25:39,800 --> 02:25:43,480
Speaker 3: like many natural predators, Dark Brandon went through a period

2455
02:25:43,520 --> 02:25:48,200
Speaker 3: of hibernation, laying dormant through most of the winter, that is,

2456
02:25:48,480 --> 02:25:52,560
Speaker 3: until a huge resurgence in April of this year. This

2457
02:25:52,720 --> 02:25:55,520
Speaker 3: past April, Biden launched his new twenty twenty four re

2458
02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:59,880
Speaker 3: election campaign website, which not only featured a Dark Brandon

2459
02:26:00,200 --> 02:26:04,560
Speaker 3: error four oh four page reading your Lost Jack, Let's

2460
02:26:04,600 --> 02:26:08,760
Speaker 3: get you back on the rails, which is kind of

2461
02:26:08,879 --> 02:26:11,360
Speaker 3: funny but not really funny because it's doing the whole

2462
02:26:11,440 --> 02:26:14,440
Speaker 3: like Biden and track reference And it's kind of funny

2463
02:26:14,440 --> 02:26:16,280
Speaker 3: because it's like a four oh four page, So it's

2464
02:26:16,360 --> 02:26:19,320
Speaker 3: like it's Dark Brandon telling you to get back to

2465
02:26:19,400 --> 02:26:22,200
Speaker 3: the regular website because you're now on like the the

2466
02:26:22,480 --> 02:26:24,879
Speaker 3: part of the website that doesn't exist, because like Dark

2467
02:26:24,920 --> 02:26:28,480
Speaker 3: Brandon doesn't exist. It's not I'm overthinking this. I'm doing

2468
02:26:28,560 --> 02:26:32,720
Speaker 3: way too high concept. It's like Beaudry art analysis of this.

2469
02:26:33,000 --> 02:26:36,040
Speaker 3: This joke is not that good. But beyond the Dark

2470
02:26:36,080 --> 02:26:40,320
Speaker 3: Brandon error four oh four page, there is also official

2471
02:26:40,840 --> 02:26:47,320
Speaker 3: Dark Brandon merchandise. Biden's Dark Line features dark blue monochrome

2472
02:26:47,360 --> 02:26:51,440
Speaker 3: images of Biden or Brandon staring forward with red laser

2473
02:26:51,520 --> 02:26:55,400
Speaker 3: eyes and a mischievous grin. The design comes on baseball hats,

2474
02:26:55,480 --> 02:26:59,920
Speaker 3: t shirts, mugs, stickers, and tote bags. Product descriptions are

2475
02:27:00,040 --> 02:27:05,280
Speaker 3: as follows. Best worn while vanquishing malarkey. Protect yourself from

2476
02:27:05,360 --> 02:27:09,400
Speaker 3: malarkey and the sun with this dark cap, dark Brandon,

2477
02:27:09,720 --> 02:27:16,000
Speaker 3: dark Rose, dark dark Brandon, dark roast tea drinkers, Welcome,

2478
02:27:16,400 --> 02:27:20,560
Speaker 3: and and finally, the worst one malarkey is tot's over

2479
02:27:21,080 --> 02:27:23,640
Speaker 3: after we re elect President Biden.

2480
02:27:24,240 --> 02:27:27,760
Speaker 1: This is the This is like the Internet equivalent or

2481
02:27:27,840 --> 02:27:29,800
Speaker 1: the me I don't know what the I feel the

2482
02:27:29,879 --> 02:27:32,480
Speaker 1: same way I feel in like old Yeller when you're like,

2483
02:27:32,560 --> 02:27:34,640
Speaker 1: well the dog's got rabies, you got to shoot it,

2484
02:27:34,760 --> 02:27:36,119
Speaker 1: Like there's no other ethical way.

2485
02:27:36,080 --> 02:27:39,600
Speaker 6: To deal with This is like, but it's it hurts.

2486
02:27:40,760 --> 02:27:43,480
Speaker 6: It's like when someone's dad turns up to the skate park.

2487
02:27:43,920 --> 02:27:45,640
Speaker 6: This is what's happening here.

2488
02:27:46,200 --> 02:27:49,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got to shoot them otherwise they'll give everyone rabies. Right,

2489
02:27:49,480 --> 02:27:51,720
Speaker 1: that's what you meant, James, Yeah, Yeah, it's time for

2490
02:27:51,760 --> 02:27:52,440
Speaker 1: their life to end.

2491
02:27:52,520 --> 02:27:52,720
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2492
02:27:52,879 --> 02:27:55,920
Speaker 3: This is also likely fascinating because like the fact that

2493
02:27:56,400 --> 02:28:00,800
Speaker 3: that Biden Joe Biden made assume direct control role, laser

2494
02:28:00,840 --> 02:28:05,320
Speaker 3: eye Dark merch before Trump did is wild and now

2495
02:28:05,720 --> 02:28:09,080
Speaker 3: Trump won't really ever be able to like capitalize on

2496
02:28:09,160 --> 02:28:11,360
Speaker 3: this sort of thing because Biden just beat him to

2497
02:28:11,440 --> 02:28:13,640
Speaker 3: the punch on this and and like in a way

2498
02:28:13,680 --> 02:28:18,280
Speaker 3: that's like not actually promoting fascism, which effectively, this, this

2499
02:28:18,400 --> 02:28:22,000
Speaker 3: whole thing effectively neutralized Trump's ability to cash in on

2500
02:28:22,200 --> 02:28:25,720
Speaker 3: Dark Mega and the fashwave aesthetic, which is just a

2501
02:28:25,840 --> 02:28:29,120
Speaker 3: pretty shocking and like amazing trajectory for fash wave.

2502
02:28:29,800 --> 02:28:30,039
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2503
02:28:30,720 --> 02:28:30,920
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2504
02:28:31,000 --> 02:28:34,400
Speaker 3: The latest appearance of Dark The latest appearance of Dark

2505
02:28:34,440 --> 02:28:38,720
Speaker 3: Brandon was during the White House Correspondence dinner this past April,

2506
02:28:39,040 --> 02:28:43,640
Speaker 3: when Biden handed off the podium to comedian Roy Wood Junior.

2507
02:28:44,360 --> 02:28:47,080
Speaker 1: Roy the partum is yours.

2508
02:28:48,080 --> 02:28:51,120
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be fine with your jokes, but I'm not

2509
02:28:51,240 --> 02:28:52,720
Speaker 6: sure about Dark Brandon.

2510
02:28:57,240 --> 02:29:04,480
Speaker 1: The limbs were so happy to have a meme, a meme.

2511
02:29:05,040 --> 02:29:07,000
Speaker 1: They got one, they got one, and they were just

2512
02:29:08,000 --> 02:29:10,120
Speaker 1: it's one of those things again, like like a little

2513
02:29:10,200 --> 02:29:12,400
Speaker 1: kid having to shoot his dog. I just I couldn't.

2514
02:29:12,680 --> 02:29:14,360
Speaker 1: You can't take it away from them. They were just

2515
02:29:14,440 --> 02:29:14,920
Speaker 1: so happy.

2516
02:29:16,080 --> 02:29:18,959
Speaker 3: I have I do have three. I selected the only

2517
02:29:19,120 --> 02:29:22,000
Speaker 3: three Dark branded memes I like. Here for the very end,

2518
02:29:22,280 --> 02:29:24,760
Speaker 3: one is just Biden in a beard and an eye patch.

2519
02:29:24,800 --> 02:29:28,400
Speaker 3: It says it's over. Jack one has Biden with a

2520
02:29:28,560 --> 02:29:32,640
Speaker 3: like a very like horrifyingly edited smile with laser eyes

2521
02:29:34,600 --> 02:29:36,959
Speaker 3: malarkey detected and it looks.

2522
02:29:36,760 --> 02:29:39,360
Speaker 1: Like the monster in a fucking like I don't I

2523
02:29:39,400 --> 02:29:42,320
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what from, but like demon teeth, like

2524
02:29:42,959 --> 02:29:43,800
Speaker 1: nightmare teeth.

2525
02:29:44,120 --> 02:29:46,640
Speaker 3: The leftists are so much better at making these memes

2526
02:29:46,720 --> 02:29:50,760
Speaker 3: than anyone else. And my favorite is this is a

2527
02:29:50,959 --> 02:29:53,680
Speaker 3: satirical rift on the this post has been fact checked

2528
02:29:53,720 --> 02:29:57,200
Speaker 3: by real American patriots. Trump Beam instead having an image

2529
02:29:57,200 --> 02:29:59,840
Speaker 3: of Dark Branded with laser eyes and saying this post

2530
02:30:00,120 --> 02:30:06,040
Speaker 3: was fact checked by real Dark branded acolytes. So this

2531
02:30:06,160 --> 02:30:08,600
Speaker 3: is like fun and good, right like this, this is fine,

2532
02:30:09,120 --> 02:30:13,000
Speaker 3: But there's actually a surprisingly like positive result from this

2533
02:30:13,200 --> 02:30:16,800
Speaker 3: whole Dark branden sega, because even as far back as

2534
02:30:16,879 --> 02:30:20,240
Speaker 3: August of twenty twenty two, myself, some research colleagues, and

2535
02:30:20,280 --> 02:30:22,760
Speaker 3: other journalists that I have like no connection to all

2536
02:30:22,840 --> 02:30:26,360
Speaker 3: started to kind of observe the same thing. The liberal

2537
02:30:26,400 --> 02:30:30,040
Speaker 3: recuperation of the fashwave style via Dark Brandon seemed to

2538
02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:36,320
Speaker 3: seriously damage fash Wave's legibility in right wing circles. The

2539
02:30:36,520 --> 02:30:40,040
Speaker 3: normy use of dark Brandon had already appeared to have

2540
02:30:40,520 --> 02:30:43,520
Speaker 3: ceased all of the dark megaposting because there was this

2541
02:30:43,720 --> 02:30:48,800
Speaker 3: influx of like Minion's Facebook Tier Brandon memes, which offered

2542
02:30:49,320 --> 02:30:53,360
Speaker 3: very strong levels of vicarious cringe that provided a social

2543
02:30:53,520 --> 02:30:57,520
Speaker 3: disincentive for anyone wanting to post laser eye dark Mega

2544
02:30:57,560 --> 02:30:59,840
Speaker 3: memes due to their fear of being associated, even just

2545
02:30:59,879 --> 02:31:04,600
Speaker 3: aethically associated with the liberal boomer Biden memes, which which

2546
02:31:04,680 --> 02:31:09,119
Speaker 3: now like represented this cringe and dead style. The widespread

2547
02:31:09,200 --> 02:31:12,920
Speaker 3: nature of Brandon laser eyes also seemed to seriously dampen

2548
02:31:13,160 --> 02:31:17,680
Speaker 3: the Patrick batemanification of characters like Homelander from The Boys,

2549
02:31:18,000 --> 02:31:20,200
Speaker 3: who was at the time becoming one of the far

2550
02:31:20,320 --> 02:31:24,560
Speaker 3: right's favorite memeable characters. Yeah, there are few things that

2551
02:31:24,680 --> 02:31:28,840
Speaker 3: these online nazi weirdos fear more than their special toys

2552
02:31:28,920 --> 02:31:32,480
Speaker 3: being played with by normies, because almost immediately they're like

2553
02:31:32,760 --> 02:31:36,560
Speaker 3: esoteric plaything loses all appeal once the normies like start

2554
02:31:36,640 --> 02:31:37,000
Speaker 3: using it.

2555
02:31:37,640 --> 02:31:39,879
Speaker 1: Like it's a signifier that you're part of the club,

2556
02:31:40,080 --> 02:31:43,680
Speaker 1: and if yeah, fucking the DNC is posting these memes,

2557
02:31:43,720 --> 02:31:46,040
Speaker 1: you're not part of the club anymore. Nope, Like, there's

2558
02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:47,600
Speaker 1: no it's not a club you want to be in.

2559
02:31:47,720 --> 02:31:48,560
Speaker 1: I guess yeah.

2560
02:31:48,680 --> 02:31:51,800
Speaker 3: So I still maintain that one of the best things

2561
02:31:51,879 --> 02:31:55,600
Speaker 3: Biden has done since taking office is utterly destroying fashwave

2562
02:31:55,720 --> 02:32:01,160
Speaker 3: by complete accident. I postulated this back in twenty twenty two,

2563
02:32:01,480 --> 02:32:04,360
Speaker 3: and it still pretty much holds true now. And it's

2564
02:32:04,360 --> 02:32:06,920
Speaker 3: not just my opinion either. Others have noticed that Brandon's

2565
02:32:07,200 --> 02:32:11,000
Speaker 3: disturbance in the far right to meme ecosystem has really

2566
02:32:11,160 --> 02:32:14,240
Speaker 3: taken effect. I'm going to quote Ali brielind in Mother

2567
02:32:14,360 --> 02:32:17,920
Speaker 3: Jones quote. The fashwave athetic has already seen its best

2568
02:32:18,080 --> 02:32:21,240
Speaker 3: days and wasn't as pervasive on the far right Internet

2569
02:32:21,320 --> 02:32:24,160
Speaker 3: as it used to be. But by associating himself with

2570
02:32:24,280 --> 02:32:27,640
Speaker 3: a meme style that had partially descended from it, Biden

2571
02:32:27,800 --> 02:32:31,040
Speaker 3: and his earnest staff and followers have probably made it

2572
02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:34,720
Speaker 3: impossible for neo nazi edge lords to make fashwave posts

2573
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Speaker 3: for at least a bit. By enlisting fascist meme offshoots,

2574
02:32:38,600 --> 02:32:42,840
Speaker 3: the administration unlocked a code. Earnest Democrats like Biden may

2575
02:32:42,920 --> 02:32:45,920
Speaker 3: have a hard time being cool on the Internet, but

2576
02:32:46,080 --> 02:32:49,880
Speaker 3: they can kill hip stuff that bad people like that

2577
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:55,200
Speaker 3: is extremely powerful. They made fashwave a bit cringe. Do

2578
02:32:55,240 --> 02:32:57,920
Speaker 3: you know what else is a bit Crene Robert that

2579
02:32:58,200 --> 02:33:01,320
Speaker 3: breaks Garrison, the fact that we have to have advertising

2580
02:33:01,720 --> 02:33:05,800
Speaker 3: on my on my fash wave Biden Dark Dark Gear

2581
02:33:05,920 --> 02:33:07,680
Speaker 3: Brandon episode.

2582
02:33:08,080 --> 02:33:12,000
Speaker 1: Garrison, the only, the only purpose of studying or learning

2583
02:33:12,080 --> 02:33:15,400
Speaker 1: anything is to provide space for advertisements. That's not why

2584
02:33:15,480 --> 02:33:16,080
Speaker 1: we do at all.

2585
02:33:16,440 --> 02:33:16,800
Speaker 9: No more.

2586
02:33:19,440 --> 02:33:21,840
Speaker 3: Actually, do you know if you subscribe to the new

2587
02:33:22,000 --> 02:33:25,960
Speaker 3: Apple Premium, you can have no more molarki because there

2588
02:33:25,959 --> 02:33:29,440
Speaker 3: won't be any ads. So there you go. All right,

2589
02:33:29,640 --> 02:33:31,880
Speaker 3: we are back and we are finally finally going to

2590
02:33:31,959 --> 02:33:37,440
Speaker 3: talk about ron Ron DeSantis and and his his kind

2591
02:33:37,480 --> 02:33:42,040
Speaker 3: of fash wave misfire. So this happened about a year

2592
02:33:42,240 --> 02:33:46,480
Speaker 3: after Dark Brandon had taken control, so there was at

2593
02:33:46,560 --> 02:33:49,120
Speaker 3: least a like a good a good year's worth of

2594
02:33:49,120 --> 02:33:52,959
Speaker 3: buffer where fash wave was unacceptable and just not really

2595
02:33:53,240 --> 02:33:57,560
Speaker 3: even attempted because of how cringe it is at this point.

2596
02:33:58,760 --> 02:34:01,880
Speaker 3: But that did not stop the Dysantis war Room Twitter

2597
02:34:01,959 --> 02:34:04,320
Speaker 3: account from trying to do it. And then we will

2598
02:34:04,360 --> 02:34:08,160
Speaker 3: see what the right's reaction to this was. So, like

2599
02:34:08,240 --> 02:34:10,640
Speaker 3: I said at the beginning of the beginning of this episode,

2600
02:34:10,879 --> 02:34:14,039
Speaker 3: on the last day of Pride Month, DeSantis's campaign shared

2601
02:34:14,080 --> 02:34:17,720
Speaker 3: a video on their Dasanta's war Room account attacking Trump

2602
02:34:17,800 --> 02:34:21,360
Speaker 3: for previously held positions seemingly in support of LGBTQ people

2603
02:34:22,280 --> 02:34:26,360
Speaker 3: and statements that he said about like allowing transgender women

2604
02:34:26,480 --> 02:34:29,840
Speaker 3: to compete in his Miss Universe pageants and allowing Caitlin

2605
02:34:29,920 --> 02:34:32,720
Speaker 3: Jenner to use the bathroom of her choice in Trump Tower.

2606
02:34:33,600 --> 02:34:36,720
Speaker 3: This video opens with footage of Trump at the twenty

2607
02:34:36,800 --> 02:34:40,360
Speaker 3: sixteen RNC saying that he would quote do everything in

2608
02:34:40,520 --> 02:34:45,320
Speaker 3: my power to protect our LGBTQ citizens unquote. Now, this

2609
02:34:45,440 --> 02:34:47,480
Speaker 3: is pretty gross that the video opens this way because

2610
02:34:47,640 --> 02:34:51,600
Speaker 3: very importantly, this was just a month after the Pulse

2611
02:34:51,720 --> 02:34:55,400
Speaker 3: nightclub attack in DeSantis's home state of Florida, which killed

2612
02:34:55,520 --> 02:34:58,960
Speaker 3: forty nine people. That's why Trump was saying this is

2613
02:34:59,000 --> 02:35:01,560
Speaker 3: because there was just a massive massacre in the state

2614
02:35:01,600 --> 02:35:05,360
Speaker 3: of Florida. And the fact that Dysantis is opening up

2615
02:35:05,520 --> 02:35:09,959
Speaker 3: this Trump like homophobic attack ad by including this little

2616
02:35:10,000 --> 02:35:14,720
Speaker 3: bit is pretty is pretty gross. So this video then

2617
02:35:14,840 --> 02:35:18,680
Speaker 3: kind of transitions fifteen seconds in, accompanied by a dark

2618
02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:22,560
Speaker 3: synthetic beat, to a black and white image of Dysantis

2619
02:35:22,720 --> 02:35:26,320
Speaker 3: standing in front of an American flag with red glowing

2620
02:35:26,440 --> 02:35:31,080
Speaker 3: eyes shooting out little laser lightning things before a wave

2621
02:35:31,200 --> 02:35:35,960
Speaker 3: of pulsating images of Spartans and the Muscular Chad and

2622
02:35:36,160 --> 02:35:38,880
Speaker 3: clips of American Psycho, the Wolf of Wall Street and

2623
02:35:39,000 --> 02:35:42,360
Speaker 3: Peaky Blinders. Overlaid on top of these flashing images are

2624
02:35:42,480 --> 02:35:47,840
Speaker 3: headlines and short clips about Dysantis's extreme anti LGBTQ policies

2625
02:35:47,920 --> 02:35:51,320
Speaker 3: that he enacted in Florida. I cannot think of anything

2626
02:35:51,440 --> 02:35:52,280
Speaker 3: more plurifying.

2627
02:35:52,440 --> 02:35:56,280
Speaker 8: It really has shut down the track, just.

2628
02:35:56,400 --> 02:36:00,960
Speaker 6: Produced some of the harshest, most draconian laws that literally

2629
02:36:01,080 --> 02:36:02,440
Speaker 6: threatened trans existence.

2630
02:36:02,840 --> 02:36:08,160
Speaker 3: Congratulations, Vision accomplished, you win, all right.

2631
02:36:08,840 --> 02:36:11,680
Speaker 1: So first off, Garrison, it had been so long since

2632
02:36:11,720 --> 02:36:15,800
Speaker 1: I looked at a bit shoot video so weeks. So

2633
02:36:15,959 --> 02:36:17,000
Speaker 1: first off, fuck you for that.

2634
02:36:18,720 --> 02:36:20,680
Speaker 3: I had to watch a lot of bit chute videos

2635
02:36:20,720 --> 02:36:21,520
Speaker 3: for this episode.

2636
02:36:21,640 --> 02:36:27,320
Speaker 1: I yeah, I know. Yeah. So that's I mean, absolutely

2637
02:36:27,440 --> 02:36:31,680
Speaker 1: impenetrable for like anyone who is not out of their mind, right, Yeah,

2638
02:36:31,720 --> 02:36:34,000
Speaker 1: like it is it's this Yeah, sorry, James.

2639
02:36:34,120 --> 02:36:36,360
Speaker 6: It feels like his fourteen year old nephew who goes

2640
02:36:36,400 --> 02:36:39,439
Speaker 6: by like Groyperchad fourteen eighty eight unfortune.

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02:36:39,879 --> 02:36:42,280
Speaker 1: I'll describe what's happening as like, you know, first you

2642
02:36:42,320 --> 02:36:44,480
Speaker 1: get obviously the beginning, which I think is clear just

2643
02:36:44,520 --> 02:36:46,960
Speaker 1: from the audio, these clips of like Trump saying stuff

2644
02:36:47,000 --> 02:36:49,480
Speaker 1: that's not it's pro gay, you know, from back in

2645
02:36:49,520 --> 02:36:53,600
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. And then it switches to like footage of

2646
02:36:54,080 --> 02:36:57,640
Speaker 1: like news articles about DeSantis, you know, doing horrible things

2647
02:36:58,200 --> 02:37:01,880
Speaker 1: to queer people in Florida, and like clips of pete

2648
02:37:02,160 --> 02:37:05,039
Speaker 1: leftists reacting to how bad it is, and like clips

2649
02:37:05,120 --> 02:37:08,360
Speaker 1: of Ron de Santis like walking around or you know,

2650
02:37:08,600 --> 02:37:11,920
Speaker 1: art of him photoshopped with like sunglasses.

2651
02:37:11,320 --> 02:37:15,000
Speaker 3: Or sunglasses super muscular American Psycho stuff.

2652
02:37:15,200 --> 02:37:18,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, clips of American Psycho clips from like like I

2653
02:37:18,760 --> 02:37:22,640
Speaker 1: think it was actually from the movie Troy, Yes it is, yeah,

2654
02:37:22,959 --> 02:37:26,720
Speaker 1: just to like make him look yeah, it's yes, it's

2655
02:37:26,920 --> 02:37:28,640
Speaker 1: just sad. It's just sad.

2656
02:37:29,320 --> 02:37:33,720
Speaker 3: For example, So what one little snippet of is is

2657
02:37:33,879 --> 02:37:36,160
Speaker 3: uh one of these little one of these little like

2658
02:37:36,959 --> 02:37:41,640
Speaker 3: headlines is intercut between a chat meme and a clip

2659
02:37:41,720 --> 02:37:45,560
Speaker 3: from American Psycho, and it shows dysantas in wearing sunglasses

2660
02:37:46,120 --> 02:37:49,960
Speaker 3: walking around with the headline Dysantas signs the most extreme

2661
02:37:50,080 --> 02:37:53,040
Speaker 3: slate of anti trans laws and modern history with this

2662
02:37:53,200 --> 02:37:56,520
Speaker 3: like pulsating music. So yeah, the whole, the whole second

2663
02:37:56,520 --> 02:37:59,640
Speaker 3: half of the video is just like that. The video

2664
02:37:59,760 --> 02:38:03,039
Speaker 3: seems to receive an almost universally negative reaction.

2665
02:38:03,920 --> 02:38:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so bad. It's famously dog shit like, just

2666
02:38:10,920 --> 02:38:16,520
Speaker 1: instant failure, upsetting both Trump supporters and gay Republicans and

2667
02:38:16,800 --> 02:38:23,640
Speaker 1: confusing those who are actually sympathetic to dissantish because due to.

2668
02:38:23,680 --> 02:38:27,120
Speaker 3: The bizarre imagery in the video, I'm going to read

2669
02:38:27,360 --> 02:38:30,640
Speaker 3: some of the comments under the DISSANTUS war Room post.

2670
02:38:31,560 --> 02:38:37,360
Speaker 3: Nick Adams Alpha male replied, why is the campaign sharing

2671
02:38:37,440 --> 02:38:41,040
Speaker 3: a video comparing him to Patrick Bateman? Isn't Bateman a

2672
02:38:41,160 --> 02:38:41,920
Speaker 3: serial killer?

2673
02:38:45,920 --> 02:38:48,440
Speaker 6: I think I'm sure that the whole Nick Adams thing

2674
02:38:48,560 --> 02:38:49,959
Speaker 6: is an extended bit, like it.

2675
02:38:51,320 --> 02:38:53,000
Speaker 1: Is literally impossible to tell.

2676
02:38:53,120 --> 02:38:56,760
Speaker 6: Jesse Well, yeah, masculinity is an extended Matthew Weaver says

2677
02:38:57,160 --> 02:39:00,440
Speaker 6: it is disgusting that this ad is linked, apparently to

2678
02:39:00,600 --> 02:39:01,680
Speaker 6: the Dasanta's campaign.

2679
02:39:01,920 --> 02:39:04,320
Speaker 3: It makes me question my support for Dysantis.

2680
02:39:08,200 --> 02:39:09,080
Speaker 1: You love to see it.

2681
02:39:10,440 --> 02:39:14,560
Speaker 3: A George Santosa staffer said, quote, this ad makes the

2682
02:39:14,680 --> 02:39:15,959
Speaker 3: meatball look a gay.

2683
02:39:17,760 --> 02:39:17,960
Speaker 5: Wow.

2684
02:39:18,879 --> 02:39:22,160
Speaker 1: Now I don't wanna sorry. I think it's I think

2685
02:39:22,280 --> 02:39:22,800
Speaker 1: it's here.

2686
02:39:22,920 --> 02:39:24,040
Speaker 3: I think that's pretty funny.

2687
02:39:24,520 --> 02:39:27,400
Speaker 1: But if you if you ever type out the sentence

2688
02:39:27,800 --> 02:39:32,000
Speaker 1: this ad makes the meatball look gay. You can't, you

2689
02:39:32,120 --> 02:39:35,680
Speaker 1: can't be in America anymore. You have to go somewhere else.

2690
02:39:35,840 --> 02:39:38,600
Speaker 1: Like that's banishment, right, like they used to do in

2691
02:39:38,680 --> 02:39:42,920
Speaker 1: the old times, Like here's a backpack, off, you go off,

2692
02:39:43,000 --> 02:39:45,200
Speaker 1: you go can't, You're not allowed here anymore.

2693
02:39:46,000 --> 02:39:52,600
Speaker 3: Lisa Loves Liberty replied what An American First commentator with

2694
02:39:52,800 --> 02:39:56,200
Speaker 3: over one hundred and fifty thousand followers, asked, what's the

2695
02:39:56,320 --> 02:39:58,800
Speaker 3: message that the Dysantis team wants people to take away

2696
02:39:58,840 --> 02:40:03,680
Speaker 3: from this ad that associates Ron with flawed criminal individuals?

2697
02:40:04,320 --> 02:40:07,200
Speaker 3: Is it that Rad is a bootlegging, psycho killer who

2698
02:40:07,280 --> 02:40:12,040
Speaker 3: commits financial crimes and has an achilles heel? Because that's

2699
02:40:12,080 --> 02:40:12,680
Speaker 3: what it's saying.

2700
02:40:14,560 --> 02:40:15,640
Speaker 1: God, that's so funny.

2701
02:40:16,520 --> 02:40:20,320
Speaker 3: And finally, far right activist, former congressional staffer and aspiring

2702
02:40:20,480 --> 02:40:25,120
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory documentary film producer Daniel Bostik said, quote, this

2703
02:40:25,320 --> 02:40:28,039
Speaker 3: is the gayest ad in the history of political advertising.

2704
02:40:28,959 --> 02:40:31,920
Speaker 6: So that was that was.

2705
02:40:32,120 --> 02:40:38,600
Speaker 3: Roughly the response is to to to Dessentdi's posting this ad.

2706
02:40:40,440 --> 02:40:44,160
Speaker 1: All of this is extremely fun. I'm having a good time.

2707
02:40:47,360 --> 02:40:47,480
Speaker 2: Uh.

2708
02:40:47,920 --> 02:40:50,680
Speaker 3: The the the only the only figure that I that

2709
02:40:50,760 --> 02:40:54,200
Speaker 3: I found who was in support of this like ad,

2710
02:40:54,320 --> 02:40:57,400
Speaker 3: like like the like. The only like slightly even slightly

2711
02:40:57,520 --> 02:41:00,400
Speaker 3: noble person who seems to enjoy this ad thought it

2712
02:41:00,480 --> 02:41:05,240
Speaker 3: was a good choice was Ian Miles Chong. Everyone else

2713
02:41:05,320 --> 02:41:07,560
Speaker 3: on the right this was a horrible decision.

2714
02:41:07,720 --> 02:41:10,880
Speaker 1: Again, if you're not as if you're not a terminally

2715
02:41:10,959 --> 02:41:12,960
Speaker 1: online leftist like us, if you're one of like the

2716
02:41:13,080 --> 02:41:16,360
Speaker 1: nice sweet liberals who who liked the Joe Brandon memes

2717
02:41:16,959 --> 02:41:20,760
Speaker 1: the dark branded memes. Ian Miles Chong is a Malaysian

2718
02:41:20,959 --> 02:41:26,080
Speaker 1: senior citizen who has become a far right youth influencer

2719
02:41:26,520 --> 02:41:30,520
Speaker 1: through a series of decisions that like you don't you

2720
02:41:30,600 --> 02:41:32,880
Speaker 1: don't need this to be explained, but he's one of

2721
02:41:32,920 --> 02:41:35,440
Speaker 1: the people that Elon Musk cares about the most in

2722
02:41:35,520 --> 02:41:36,000
Speaker 1: this world.

2723
02:41:36,360 --> 02:41:39,720
Speaker 6: You could google a picture of Ian Mileschung and understand

2724
02:41:39,800 --> 02:41:41,760
Speaker 6: everything you need to from that picture.

2725
02:41:41,800 --> 02:41:42,080
Speaker 2: I think.

2726
02:41:43,000 --> 02:41:47,200
Speaker 3: Uh So, Fox News called the Dissentist Campaign's use of

2727
02:41:47,280 --> 02:41:55,280
Speaker 3: the ad mystifying and an unforced error. Now I've also

2728
02:41:55,360 --> 02:41:58,400
Speaker 3: gonna do that's so good. I'm also I also gonna

2729
02:41:58,400 --> 02:42:03,039
Speaker 3: play a short clip from Miami, a Florida's local CBS affiliate.

2730
02:42:03,720 --> 02:42:06,160
Speaker 9: By the way, the video that you're just about to

2731
02:42:06,200 --> 02:42:08,880
Speaker 9: see has over twenty four million views.

2732
02:42:09,680 --> 02:42:14,800
Speaker 12: I will do everything in my house to protect our

2733
02:42:15,200 --> 02:42:17,600
Speaker 12: lg TGQ citizens.

2734
02:42:18,160 --> 02:42:21,640
Speaker 9: The video then suddenly veers in a different direction, accompanied

2735
02:42:21,680 --> 02:42:26,520
Speaker 9: by dark images, loud music, mixed images of Governor with shirtless,

2736
02:42:26,640 --> 02:42:30,720
Speaker 9: muscular men, including actor Brad Pitt, A prominent group that

2737
02:42:30,879 --> 02:42:36,080
Speaker 9: represents LGBTQ conservatives also when on Twitter criticizing the video,

2738
02:42:36,160 --> 02:42:39,920
Speaker 9: saying Florida Governor can't tell the difference between common sense

2739
02:42:40,000 --> 02:42:44,640
Speaker 9: gaze and the radical left. Gaze labeled the scentist positions

2740
02:42:44,959 --> 02:42:47,400
Speaker 9: as dangerous and politically stupid.

2741
02:42:48,120 --> 02:42:50,840
Speaker 3: So I think that clip's also just a good reminder

2742
02:42:51,000 --> 02:42:55,040
Speaker 3: of the level of specialized political analysis that you're getting

2743
02:42:55,320 --> 02:42:57,960
Speaker 3: by listening to this show versus what you get on

2744
02:42:58,080 --> 02:43:04,759
Speaker 3: local news. This local news could never explain this, this campaign.

2745
02:43:04,320 --> 02:43:07,280
Speaker 1: At no if you if you were to hand this

2746
02:43:07,480 --> 02:43:11,160
Speaker 1: over to a team at MSNBC, they would die, they

2747
02:43:11,200 --> 02:43:11,520
Speaker 1: would be.

2748
02:43:12,600 --> 02:43:18,800
Speaker 3: That's the next cliff I have. The next cliff I

2749
02:43:18,879 --> 02:43:21,600
Speaker 3: have is them handing this over to MSNBC.

2750
02:43:26,360 --> 02:43:28,640
Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite days at work we've had.

2751
02:43:31,000 --> 02:43:34,440
Speaker 3: First of all, the DeSantis campaign sent out a tweet

2752
02:43:34,560 --> 02:43:38,320
Speaker 3: later that night saying, quote opposing the federal recognition of

2753
02:43:38,360 --> 02:43:42,000
Speaker 3: Pride Month isn't homophobic. We wouldn't support a month to

2754
02:43:42,040 --> 02:43:48,119
Speaker 3: celebrate straight people for sexual orientation. It's unnecessary, divisive and pandering.

2755
02:43:48,360 --> 02:43:53,160
Speaker 3: It's very very cool. So here is here is here's

2756
02:43:53,240 --> 02:44:01,280
Speaker 3: the cliff of of MSNBC reacting to this ad. It's it's, it's,

2757
02:44:01,440 --> 02:44:02,920
Speaker 3: it's gonna be. It's gonna be, It's gonna be. It's

2758
02:44:02,920 --> 02:44:03,600
Speaker 3: gonna be pretty good.

2759
02:44:03,920 --> 02:44:08,320
Speaker 13: Meanwhile, Governor DeSantis is defending a controversial and frankly bizarre

2760
02:44:08,560 --> 02:44:11,920
Speaker 13: campaign video that attacks for President Donald Trump's views on

2761
02:44:12,160 --> 02:44:16,840
Speaker 13: l g b t Q rights. Donnie Deutsch a man, extraordinary?

2762
02:44:17,160 --> 02:44:17,480
Speaker 3: What am I?

2763
02:44:17,879 --> 02:44:18,680
Speaker 1: What am I looking at?

2764
02:44:18,800 --> 02:44:21,560
Speaker 3: The extraordinaire is is stuffed? Okay, I be doing this

2765
02:44:21,640 --> 02:44:22,320
Speaker 3: for a long while.

2766
02:44:22,640 --> 02:44:24,000
Speaker 1: What what am I doing here?

2767
02:44:24,000 --> 02:44:27,480
Speaker 12: And the answer is, well, first of all, he's DeSantis

2768
02:44:27,520 --> 02:44:29,960
Speaker 12: is flailing and he's trying to continually move to the

2769
02:44:30,080 --> 02:44:30,680
Speaker 12: right of Trump.

2770
02:44:30,720 --> 02:44:34,560
Speaker 8: But this lgbt Q thing is just do you think

2771
02:44:34,640 --> 02:44:35,640
Speaker 8: this is moving voters?

2772
02:44:36,200 --> 02:44:36,400
Speaker 1: Are you?

2773
02:44:36,760 --> 02:44:39,880
Speaker 3: And to pay Trump as a patron of this group?

2774
02:44:40,440 --> 02:44:40,840
Speaker 11: Is you know?

2775
02:44:41,800 --> 02:44:43,920
Speaker 12: As an ad guy, There's one thing I learned over

2776
02:44:43,959 --> 02:44:47,000
Speaker 12: yours is people aren't stupid. Okay, you just and I

2777
02:44:47,080 --> 02:44:49,040
Speaker 12: don't know the voter that's going to see that and go,

2778
02:44:49,840 --> 02:44:52,440
Speaker 12: you know what, Trump, I'm going you're my guy.

2779
02:44:52,959 --> 02:44:57,520
Speaker 2: And it's just DeSantis is such a dark, dark, dark character.

2780
02:44:57,520 --> 02:45:00,080
Speaker 12: I've talked a lot about on the show, how at

2781
02:45:00,120 --> 02:45:02,200
Speaker 12: the end of the day a candidate Trump, even though

2782
02:45:02,280 --> 02:45:05,360
Speaker 12: you know, we eviscerate him, and there is a likability

2783
02:45:05,440 --> 02:45:06,439
Speaker 12: if you're a Trump.

2784
02:45:06,240 --> 02:45:06,879
Speaker 8: Guy about him.

2785
02:45:06,879 --> 02:45:08,480
Speaker 12: He's entertaining, He's a loungeacked.

2786
02:45:08,680 --> 02:45:12,200
Speaker 8: This guy is just the dark, the prince darkness.

2787
02:45:12,280 --> 02:45:16,200
Speaker 12: And that is one of the darkest, most bizarre, twisted,

2788
02:45:16,920 --> 02:45:18,320
Speaker 12: deviant ads I've ever seen.

2789
02:45:18,440 --> 02:45:22,320
Speaker 13: Well, he was defending it yesterday. Bipartisan backlash to the video,

2790
02:45:22,400 --> 02:45:25,439
Speaker 13: by the way, many people calling it homophobic, Governor DeSantis

2791
02:45:25,959 --> 02:45:28,680
Speaker 13: standing by the ad, calling it fair game.

2792
02:45:31,000 --> 02:45:34,600
Speaker 10: I think, you know, identifying Donald Trump as really being

2793
02:45:34,640 --> 02:45:39,720
Speaker 10: a pioneer in injecting gender ideology into the mainstream, where

2794
02:45:39,760 --> 02:45:43,160
Speaker 10: he was having men compete against women in his beauty pageants,

2795
02:45:43,200 --> 02:45:45,640
Speaker 10: I think that's totally fair game because he's now campaigning

2796
02:45:46,040 --> 02:45:48,840
Speaker 10: saying the opposite that he doesn't think that you should

2797
02:45:48,879 --> 02:45:52,040
Speaker 10: have men competing in women's things like athletics. And so

2798
02:45:52,160 --> 02:45:54,840
Speaker 10: we've been very clear on it that we believe in

2799
02:45:54,959 --> 02:45:57,880
Speaker 10: protecting the rights of our girls and the rights of

2800
02:45:57,959 --> 02:46:01,359
Speaker 10: women athletes to be able to participate paid with fairness

2801
02:46:01,720 --> 02:46:02,760
Speaker 10: and with integrity.

2802
02:46:03,760 --> 02:46:07,400
Speaker 13: In response to those remarks, Trump campaign spokesperson said, quote,

2803
02:46:07,760 --> 02:46:12,200
Speaker 13: a desperate dysanctus campaign with a flailing candidate is in

2804
02:46:12,320 --> 02:46:16,280
Speaker 13: its last throes of Relevancy's first off.

2805
02:46:16,520 --> 02:46:19,640
Speaker 1: Such bad analysis of that video, Yeah, I mean, if

2806
02:46:19,720 --> 02:46:22,880
Speaker 1: they're completely out of the death yeah. No, No, The

2807
02:46:22,959 --> 02:46:25,279
Speaker 1: point is not that he is so dark and evil.

2808
02:46:25,440 --> 02:46:28,520
Speaker 1: The point is that this is incompetent and impenetrable. You

2809
02:46:28,600 --> 02:46:31,640
Speaker 1: could just say that it's okay, Yeah, it's my job

2810
02:46:31,720 --> 02:46:34,879
Speaker 1: to understand this ship and I don't. Yeah, so.

2811
02:46:36,840 --> 02:46:40,240
Speaker 3: The beyond beyond, beyond descendis being the prince of darkness,

2812
02:46:40,320 --> 02:46:41,959
Speaker 3: as we've only established.

2813
02:46:42,280 --> 02:46:44,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, why try to make him sound cool. I know

2814
02:46:44,959 --> 02:46:45,879
Speaker 1: this is what he's doing.

2815
02:46:46,000 --> 02:46:48,720
Speaker 3: This is the thing, this is the thing they don't understand, right.

2816
02:46:49,200 --> 02:46:51,480
Speaker 3: This is why this is why Dark braindon happened by

2817
02:46:51,520 --> 02:46:54,960
Speaker 3: complete accident like it was. It was so effective because

2818
02:46:55,080 --> 02:46:57,440
Speaker 3: there was no way for liberals to concoct us themselves.

2819
02:46:57,640 --> 02:47:00,760
Speaker 3: They were there. They were only copying the stylings of

2820
02:47:01,080 --> 02:47:05,000
Speaker 3: of of like ironic leftists so yeah, everyone is just

2821
02:47:05,080 --> 02:47:07,680
Speaker 3: baffled by this sad saying like there's absolutely no way

2822
02:47:07,680 --> 02:47:10,480
Speaker 3: of understanding what's going on here. There's there's absolutely no

2823
02:47:10,640 --> 02:47:14,240
Speaker 3: like larger trends that that like maybe at play, but

2824
02:47:14,760 --> 02:47:17,520
Speaker 3: obviously we we've kind of offered some insight into what's

2825
02:47:17,560 --> 02:47:21,520
Speaker 3: been going on here. And in the end, DeSantis's attempt

2826
02:47:21,640 --> 02:47:25,440
Speaker 3: at fash wave has been rejected by conservative America either

2827
02:47:25,560 --> 02:47:29,920
Speaker 3: through it's just sheer like esoteric strangeness and also the

2828
02:47:30,040 --> 02:47:34,120
Speaker 3: kind of the the whittling away at at at Fashwave's

2829
02:47:34,440 --> 02:47:36,680
Speaker 3: power that the dark branded meme has been doing for

2830
02:47:36,760 --> 02:47:39,840
Speaker 3: so long. There's just nothing first of all appealing about this,

2831
02:47:40,240 --> 02:47:43,920
Speaker 3: which makes all that remains just incredibly just like just

2832
02:47:44,040 --> 02:47:44,720
Speaker 3: like off putting.

2833
02:47:45,760 --> 02:47:46,280
Speaker 6: So like.

2834
02:47:47,959 --> 02:47:50,560
Speaker 3: What we have here from DeSantis, like in the actual video,

2835
02:47:50,680 --> 02:47:54,000
Speaker 3: but besides the obvious like homophobia is a sort of

2836
02:47:54,120 --> 02:47:57,680
Speaker 3: like meme soup, combining some elements of like fash wave

2837
02:47:57,920 --> 02:48:02,480
Speaker 3: and some like dark Mega imagery with other imagery from

2838
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:06,200
Speaker 3: from right wing meme tropes that have also gotten popular

2839
02:48:06,280 --> 02:48:10,080
Speaker 3: the past few years, like Patrick Bateman, who's who's kind

2840
02:48:10,120 --> 02:48:13,400
Speaker 3: of more popular in like the Schizzo wave subgenre just

2841
02:48:13,440 --> 02:48:16,200
Speaker 3: still heavily tied to fash wave. It kind of like

2842
02:48:16,280 --> 02:48:19,120
Speaker 3: it glorifies the setics of mental illness to push you

2843
02:48:19,200 --> 02:48:21,520
Speaker 3: towards doing like extremist violence.

2844
02:48:22,280 --> 02:48:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they should say the the aesthetics of

2845
02:48:25,040 --> 02:48:29,520
Speaker 1: like how a specific subculture depicts mental illness?

2846
02:48:29,640 --> 02:48:33,119
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, And there's there's a bunch of other

2847
02:48:33,200 --> 02:48:37,160
Speaker 3: like pop culture sigma figures in this video. There's images

2848
02:48:37,280 --> 02:48:41,560
Speaker 3: of the real life Chad mistaken in news coverage as

2849
02:48:41,640 --> 02:48:44,640
Speaker 3: a generic body builder, but this is actually like a

2850
02:48:44,800 --> 02:48:48,080
Speaker 3: very specific online meme that's like not like it's not

2851
02:48:48,160 --> 02:48:52,119
Speaker 3: a niche. And there's there's also like a very specific

2852
02:48:52,240 --> 02:48:58,120
Speaker 3: uh dysantist Chad Wojack in this video. So and in

2853
02:48:58,240 --> 02:49:01,680
Speaker 3: the end, like this had temp kind of reviving a

2854
02:49:01,920 --> 02:49:05,440
Speaker 3: soft fash wave style or you know, kind of dark

2855
02:49:05,520 --> 02:49:09,240
Speaker 3: mega style for an attack ad by the Dissanda's campaign

2856
02:49:09,360 --> 02:49:13,760
Speaker 3: was basically wholesale rejected by conservative Americans and with with

2857
02:49:13,959 --> 02:49:17,119
Speaker 3: no with no other politicians co signing this. The only

2858
02:49:17,240 --> 02:49:20,480
Speaker 3: other mean notable figure who applauded this was Ian Miles Chung.

2859
02:49:21,560 --> 02:49:23,720
Speaker 3: No no, no one else of note thought this was

2860
02:49:23,800 --> 02:49:26,959
Speaker 3: a good idea. Most dissenttas of supporters were off putted.

2861
02:49:28,040 --> 02:49:30,840
Speaker 3: The only people who really like liked this were like

2862
02:49:31,080 --> 02:49:35,600
Speaker 3: chronically online fascist zoomers who are either not old enough

2863
02:49:35,640 --> 02:49:37,840
Speaker 3: to vote or just barely old enough to vote.

2864
02:49:38,440 --> 02:49:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah they are teenage Nick Flintz fans.

2865
02:49:43,000 --> 02:49:45,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, like because like they're the only ones who are

2866
02:49:45,520 --> 02:49:48,240
Speaker 3: like well understand what's going on. So it like becomes

2867
02:49:48,280 --> 02:49:52,320
Speaker 3: a cohesive message because if the average viewer isn't turned

2868
02:49:52,320 --> 02:49:55,240
Speaker 3: off by like the intense homophobia or the anti Trump angle,

2869
02:49:55,640 --> 02:49:59,360
Speaker 3: the alienating editing style and online references and other and

2870
02:49:59,520 --> 02:50:03,039
Speaker 3: other kind of of bizarre attributes like the the the music,

2871
02:50:03,160 --> 02:50:07,520
Speaker 3: the flashing images, it either left most ordinary viewers confused

2872
02:50:07,680 --> 02:50:12,320
Speaker 3: or just like turned off. And so in the end,

2873
02:50:12,480 --> 02:50:15,000
Speaker 3: like I think there is there is a recurring trend here,

2874
02:50:15,400 --> 02:50:20,440
Speaker 3: and that like dark Mega didn't help the Republicans win

2875
02:50:20,520 --> 02:50:23,600
Speaker 3: the mid terms. Like that that was that was a

2876
02:50:23,680 --> 02:50:26,440
Speaker 3: pretty pretty big defeat for them. All of all of

2877
02:50:26,520 --> 02:50:29,320
Speaker 3: the work they were doing beforehand to like to like

2878
02:50:29,480 --> 02:50:32,240
Speaker 3: start getting people like wiled up, get making making like

2879
02:50:32,440 --> 02:50:35,840
Speaker 3: attention grabbing authoritarian memes, all of like the critical rice

2880
02:50:35,879 --> 02:50:38,680
Speaker 3: theory stuff. None of that panned out in the actual elections,

2881
02:50:39,080 --> 02:50:42,800
Speaker 3: and whatever DeSantis is doing sure doesn't seem to be

2882
02:50:42,879 --> 02:50:47,240
Speaker 3: helping him beat Trump. The only person who who is

2883
02:50:47,360 --> 02:50:50,080
Speaker 3: who is winning right at this is Dark Brandon. Dark

2884
02:50:50,160 --> 02:50:53,000
Speaker 3: Brandon strikes again. He is the one that it actually

2885
02:50:53,360 --> 02:50:57,960
Speaker 3: has made, has made sure that DeSantis cannot use this playbook.

2886
02:50:59,160 --> 02:51:02,920
Speaker 3: Dark Brandon is is sitting on a gargoyle over top

2887
02:51:03,440 --> 02:51:07,400
Speaker 3: of whatever city in Florida de Santis lives. Dark Brandon

2888
02:51:07,600 --> 02:51:11,320
Speaker 3: is our watchful protector. He is he is, he is

2889
02:51:11,400 --> 02:51:12,320
Speaker 3: our silent guardian.

2890
02:51:14,400 --> 02:51:17,359
Speaker 1: Garrison was just talking about this image of Dark Brandon

2891
02:51:17,440 --> 02:51:21,200
Speaker 1: sitting on a throne above. I'm gonna say, Miami, they

2892
02:51:21,280 --> 02:51:24,600
Speaker 1: lifted up their shirt to show their new Dark Brandon

2893
02:51:24,720 --> 02:51:27,640
Speaker 1: chest tattoo, and wow, that must have been what was that?

2894
02:51:27,760 --> 02:51:30,160
Speaker 1: Twelve hours in the chair? Gear big? What big?

2895
02:51:30,560 --> 02:51:30,800
Speaker 2: It was?

2896
02:51:31,360 --> 02:51:33,360
Speaker 3: Well, the first day was thirteen hours, the second he

2897
02:51:33,440 --> 02:51:37,240
Speaker 3: was twelve hours. So good, thirteen twelve at the end.

2898
02:51:37,480 --> 02:51:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. That's good, very big. Well, you run

2899
02:51:40,320 --> 02:51:42,280
Speaker 1: out of batteryo or the eyes are always going to glow?

2900
02:51:42,720 --> 02:51:45,959
Speaker 3: No, Actually, those are fluorescents, So I have to stand

2901
02:51:45,959 --> 02:51:48,800
Speaker 3: in the sun for for like ten minutes to charge

2902
02:51:48,840 --> 02:51:50,039
Speaker 3: them up and it lasts about.

2903
02:51:49,800 --> 02:51:50,440
Speaker 1: Like five hours.

2904
02:51:50,680 --> 02:51:54,480
Speaker 6: Magic Haijake love that. Yeah, I have a conspiracy theory here.

2905
02:51:54,560 --> 02:51:57,680
Speaker 6: I believe that Ronda Santi's fourteen year old nephew, Groy

2906
02:51:57,720 --> 02:52:01,000
Speaker 6: Bitchad fourteen eighty eight, was extreme me online so online

2907
02:52:01,200 --> 02:52:05,000
Speaker 6: that his parents took away his phone and he just

2908
02:52:05,280 --> 02:52:08,400
Speaker 6: lost all contact with the internet circa like early twenty

2909
02:52:08,480 --> 02:52:11,040
Speaker 6: twenty two, and then run to Santa's asked him to

2910
02:52:11,080 --> 02:52:12,760
Speaker 6: make an advert, and this is what happened.

2911
02:52:13,320 --> 02:52:14,560
Speaker 1: So the advert.

2912
02:52:14,680 --> 02:52:17,320
Speaker 3: So I tried tracking down who made this advert. I

2913
02:52:17,800 --> 02:52:21,600
Speaker 3: messaged someone who I suspect of making it, who ignored

2914
02:52:21,640 --> 02:52:26,760
Speaker 3: my message. To be fair, I messaged them on my

2915
02:52:26,920 --> 02:52:31,920
Speaker 3: Julius Vola sock puppet on Telegram, and they still ignored

2916
02:52:31,959 --> 02:52:36,960
Speaker 3: my message. So I I there. The video was not

2917
02:52:37,200 --> 02:52:40,960
Speaker 3: created by the DeSantis team himself. It was it was

2918
02:52:41,240 --> 02:52:44,960
Speaker 3: it was. It was embedded in their war room Twitter feed.

2919
02:52:45,600 --> 02:52:48,360
Speaker 3: It was tracked back to this at a one time

2920
02:52:48,560 --> 02:52:52,480
Speaker 3: pro Trump account called Proud Elephant, who has a corresponding

2921
02:52:52,520 --> 02:52:58,120
Speaker 3: Telegram channel. So this guy Proud Elephant is, from what

2922
02:52:58,240 --> 02:53:00,520
Speaker 3: I can tell, the origin point of this video. I

2923
02:53:00,560 --> 02:53:03,080
Speaker 3: can't seem to find it in any earlier places. I've

2924
02:53:03,120 --> 02:53:04,959
Speaker 3: tried to getting into contact with him to figure out

2925
02:53:05,000 --> 02:53:08,280
Speaker 3: what his intentions were for, like if he made the

2926
02:53:08,360 --> 02:53:10,920
Speaker 3: video or if he found it from somewhere. But this

2927
02:53:11,000 --> 02:53:14,720
Speaker 3: is why I said, I clarified that the DeSantis team

2928
02:53:15,040 --> 02:53:19,560
Speaker 3: shared this video on their official campaign account. They did

2929
02:53:19,640 --> 02:53:22,600
Speaker 3: not make it themselves, which is also pretty funny because

2930
02:53:22,800 --> 02:53:24,480
Speaker 3: they didn't spend any money on this thing, and it

2931
02:53:24,560 --> 02:53:27,480
Speaker 3: still like was a massive shot in the face. Like

2932
02:53:28,040 --> 02:53:31,560
Speaker 3: it's just like huge, huge blowback. They didn't need to

2933
02:53:31,720 --> 02:53:35,000
Speaker 3: like embed this video made by like whatever weirdo loner

2934
02:53:35,760 --> 02:53:38,440
Speaker 3: who has like final cut pro on his computer, Like

2935
02:53:38,720 --> 02:53:41,400
Speaker 3: there's there's really there's really no reason, like they have

2936
02:53:41,480 --> 02:53:44,720
Speaker 3: an actual ad team and for some reason they did

2937
02:53:44,800 --> 02:53:45,280
Speaker 3: this instead.

2938
02:53:45,320 --> 02:53:45,440
Speaker 13: Now.

2939
02:53:45,720 --> 02:53:49,840
Speaker 3: Also as a part of this research, I joined as

2940
02:53:49,920 --> 02:53:53,240
Speaker 3: many Dysantis Telegram channels as I could. I scrolled through

2941
02:53:53,320 --> 02:53:57,440
Speaker 3: months of posting. I scrolled through all like all three

2942
02:53:57,600 --> 02:54:01,720
Speaker 3: of the official Dysantis campaign Twitter accounts. Nothing else in

2943
02:54:01,800 --> 02:54:04,800
Speaker 3: their propaganda quite compares to this video. It is such

2944
02:54:04,840 --> 02:54:08,480
Speaker 3: a weird outlier that makes me really wonder, like who

2945
02:54:09,600 --> 02:54:13,400
Speaker 3: who both who who was operating the the DeSantis war

2946
02:54:13,480 --> 02:54:16,360
Speaker 3: room to Twitter account that like hit publish on this

2947
02:54:16,520 --> 02:54:20,480
Speaker 3: tweet with this with this video embedded, and like what

2948
02:54:20,560 --> 02:54:22,720
Speaker 3: their relation is to the rest of like the Dysantis

2949
02:54:22,800 --> 02:54:25,920
Speaker 3: like media strategy because it's just it's just it is.

2950
02:54:26,040 --> 02:54:27,680
Speaker 3: It is utterly, utterly baffling.

2951
02:54:28,200 --> 02:54:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I think some of it can come back

2952
02:54:30,800 --> 02:54:33,760
Speaker 1: to In twenty sixteen, kind of about a month so,

2953
02:54:34,040 --> 02:54:37,959
Speaker 1: I think before the election, the Trump campaign came out

2954
02:54:38,160 --> 02:54:41,920
Speaker 1: with this really weird, very four Chan inspired, sort of

2955
02:54:42,160 --> 02:54:46,400
Speaker 1: like ad video for the campaign that like a lot

2956
02:54:46,440 --> 02:54:48,960
Speaker 1: of Democrats, you know, made fun of, but it was

2957
02:54:49,040 --> 02:54:51,480
Speaker 1: a pretty effective ad. And I you know, I wrote

2958
02:54:51,520 --> 02:54:53,240
Speaker 1: about this some at the time, and I talked with

2959
02:54:53,280 --> 02:54:55,040
Speaker 1: the guy who'd been doing attack ats and stuff and

2960
02:54:55,160 --> 02:54:56,040
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, I think this is a

2961
02:54:56,080 --> 02:54:59,280
Speaker 1: pretty successful ad because it it feels authentic in a

2962
02:54:59,320 --> 02:55:03,160
Speaker 1: way that pull up ads don't. And my guess is

2963
02:55:03,280 --> 02:55:06,960
Speaker 1: that when this got presented to them, people at the

2964
02:55:07,040 --> 02:55:10,360
Speaker 1: DeSantis campaign were like, well, this could be that for us, right,

2965
02:55:10,840 --> 02:55:13,960
Speaker 1: this could be us leaning into something that's it's new,

2966
02:55:14,160 --> 02:55:17,520
Speaker 1: but it's like real and it's representative of how kids,

2967
02:55:17,680 --> 02:55:20,560
Speaker 1: young people are talking these days, and that will build

2968
02:55:20,680 --> 02:55:23,520
Speaker 1: the kind of excitement and the kind of like conversation

2969
02:55:23,680 --> 02:55:25,560
Speaker 1: around our campaign that can help take us to the

2970
02:55:25,640 --> 02:55:28,000
Speaker 1: next level. And I think the thing that they missed

2971
02:55:28,000 --> 02:55:32,040
Speaker 1: there was that Trump in sort of, you know, signposting

2972
02:55:32,120 --> 02:55:35,840
Speaker 1: to that online alt right was adopting and kind of

2973
02:55:35,959 --> 02:55:39,960
Speaker 1: making his own a real movement that was representative of

2974
02:55:40,920 --> 02:55:43,240
Speaker 1: some things that were appealing to a lot of people.

2975
02:55:43,760 --> 02:55:47,880
Speaker 1: And this is not right, Like there's been no ground

2976
02:55:48,000 --> 02:55:51,960
Speaker 1: swell of people who are into this like these weird

2977
02:55:52,200 --> 02:55:54,560
Speaker 1: Like the only ground swell of a lot of normies

2978
02:55:54,600 --> 02:56:01,480
Speaker 1: getting into fash wave has been dark branded, Like normy

2979
02:56:01,600 --> 02:56:05,080
Speaker 1: Republicans did not adopt like this kind of shit in

2980
02:56:05,840 --> 02:56:09,080
Speaker 1: en Mass And I think it was a mistake, Like

2981
02:56:09,360 --> 02:56:11,520
Speaker 1: it was a it was a it was a mistake

2982
02:56:11,600 --> 02:56:14,960
Speaker 1: to think that like I don't know, like random like

2983
02:56:15,240 --> 02:56:19,200
Speaker 1: goop heads were going to see their candidate compared to

2984
02:56:19,320 --> 02:56:23,440
Speaker 1: a serial killer from a famously off putting movie and

2985
02:56:23,600 --> 02:56:24,160
Speaker 1: be like this.

2986
02:56:24,280 --> 02:56:28,080
Speaker 3: Is a good call for us. This this is my guy. Yeah,

2987
02:56:28,959 --> 02:56:32,840
Speaker 3: Like no, like not not everyone is like a seventeen

2988
02:56:32,920 --> 02:56:37,320
Speaker 3: year old suicidal alt right teenager, Like that's actually not

2989
02:56:37,480 --> 02:56:40,320
Speaker 3: their prime base if you want to win an election.

2990
02:56:40,480 --> 02:56:43,280
Speaker 1: There aren't many of you kids, Like they don't want

2991
02:56:43,440 --> 02:56:45,000
Speaker 1: teenagers voting at all.

2992
02:56:45,480 --> 02:56:48,640
Speaker 3: Which is it's also really weird that DeSantis has been

2993
02:56:48,640 --> 02:56:52,000
Speaker 3: given multiple opportunities to to pull back the ad saying

2994
02:56:52,040 --> 02:56:53,199
Speaker 3: it was it was a mistake.

2995
02:56:53,280 --> 02:56:53,640
Speaker 2: It was not.

2996
02:56:53,800 --> 02:56:55,960
Speaker 3: It was not officially made by our campaign. It shouldn't

2997
02:56:55,959 --> 02:56:58,560
Speaker 3: have been shared. But every time they've been given this opportunity,

2998
02:56:58,800 --> 02:57:00,520
Speaker 3: they doubled down on the Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's his whole thing though, like never admit fault, always

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Speaker 1: pushing forward.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes that is. That is like a staple of fascism.

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Speaker 3: But like yeah, yeah, man, well.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, that's good stabbing stuff. I'm well, Garrison, this has

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Speaker 1: made my week.

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Speaker 3: This has been a time to be alive. This has

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Speaker 3: been far too much of my week has been putting

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Speaker 3: together these like three thousand, four thousand words.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad. I'm glad everyone was able to come

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Speaker 3: away from this as as enlightened as as God.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I have.

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Speaker 1: I have entered a state of nosis. Thank you, thank

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Speaker 1: you for.

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Speaker 3: This.

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Speaker 1: I've achieved enlightenment.

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Speaker 13: All right.

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Speaker 3: Well, long lived dark Brandom.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we'll be back Monday with more episodes every week

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Speaker 1: from now until the heat death of the universe.

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Speaker 3: It could happen here the production of cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening.