1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Rivals as a production of I Heart Radio. Hello everyone, 2 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: and welcome to Rivals, the show about music beefs and 3 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: feuds and long simmering resentments between musicians. I'm Steve and 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: I'm Jordan's And this is the first in a two 5 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: part series we're doing in honor of the life and 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: artistry of Eddie van Halen, who died on October six 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: at the much too young age of so sad. And 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna take a look at the epic 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: van Halen saga and all the music and mayhem that 10 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: came from his brilliance. Uh. You know, we just did 11 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: an episode on Jimmy Hendricks a few weeks back, and 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: uh so much of what we said about Jimmy applies 13 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: to Eddie. You know, he totally redefined what it meant 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: to be a guitar player. He was a virtuoso who 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: revolutionized the instrument and added so much to the musical 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: vocabulary of rock and roll. What I love about Eddie 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: van Halen is that he was this virtuos so genius 18 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: level player. He used all of his talent to make 19 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: some of the most fun and infectious rock music of 20 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: all time. He wasn't one of these like pretentious maestros 21 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: making concept albums about like the human condition, or like 22 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: King Arthur and the Knights of the Roundtable or something. 23 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: He would play the sick, complicated, just amazing guitar riffs 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: and put them into stoner dude anthems like hot for Teacher. 25 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: You know, he was just the best. Today, we're gonna 26 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: start at the beginning and look at the David Lee 27 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: Roth years, and then next week we'll tackle the Van 28 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: Hagar era, and everyone's looking forward to that. I'll be honest, 29 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, even though Sammy joined two years before I 30 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: was born, I still have a problem accepting him over 31 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: David Lee Roth. You know. I mean, to me, it's 32 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: not fully van handling him without Diamond Dave and his 33 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: Spandex and his hair spray and his karate kicks and 34 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: his tantrums. I mean, he he's the best. To me. Look, 35 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: I'll admit it right now. I owned fifty one fifty 36 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: oh you eight one two and even for Unlawful Colonel 37 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: Knowledge on cassette back in junior high. So I have 38 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: some nostalgia for the Van Hagar years, which I guess 39 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to own up to in our next episode, 40 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: but for now, yeah, us, you're right, we're talking about 41 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: prime era van Halen here, so of course we have 42 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: to delve into the David E. Roth period. You know, 43 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: the rivalry between Roth and Eddie van Halen really is 44 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: among the most contentious in rock history. Could I just 45 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: say right now that, like as any guitarists had to 46 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: put up with more cases of lead singer disease than 47 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: Eddie Van Halen, and he truly was a cursed individual 48 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: in this regard, and yet he was able to make 49 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: so much amazing music. Anyway, So without further ado, let's 50 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: get into this mess. It all starts, of course, with 51 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: the van Halen's older brother Alex and Eddie. They're born 52 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: in the Netherlands to a Dutch father and an Indonesian 53 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: mother before moving to the United States as children, and 54 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: their early years were really, really tough. Eddie would recall 55 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: that they lived in one room together for a time 56 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: after they arrived in Pasadena, and they would scour dumpsters 57 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: looking for scrap metal to sell, like really like almost 58 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: dickensiean stories of his childhood. Um, and they couldn't speak 59 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: English when they first got here, so Alex and he 60 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: really could only talk to each other, and it fostered 61 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 1: this real sense early on of sort of like us 62 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: versus the outsiders. And I think this is a dynamic 63 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: that's you know, followed through all through van Halen's that really, 64 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: you know, that was the twin access point where the 65 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: brothers and everyone else almost like a mafia family, like 66 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: everyone else has to be sort of invited in. And yeah, 67 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: it really that was a sense that was fostered early on, 68 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: just through the language barrier really, and one of the 69 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: few things that the van Halens brought to this country 70 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: was a piano, and my brothers started taking lessons and 71 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: that was Eddie's earliest musical experiences were playing pieces by 72 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: Bach and Mozart for his tutor. But the amazing part 73 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: was he couldn't really read music, so he would just 74 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: pick it up by ear and just play it, and 75 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: the teacher thought he was reading the music, but he 76 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: was just actually just just playing it because he was 77 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: that good. So early on he showed incredible talent. Now, 78 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: the story I heard is that Alex was the one 79 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: who originally started playing guitar, and I think Eddie was 80 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: playing drums, but Eddi would always sneak into, you know, 81 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: Alex's room and he would start playing his guitar, and 82 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: it became i think clear early early on that like 83 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: Eddie van Halen was the Eddie van Halen, that this 84 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: was like an incredible sort of natural talent Eddie had 85 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: at playing the instrument. One thing I have I got 86 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: to say that about Alex van Halen is that I 87 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: feel like he is often overlooked in the van Halen story. 88 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: Just because Eddie van Halen was this revolutionary guitar player, 89 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: people often don't take note of the fact that Alex 90 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: van Halen is really like one of the greatest drummers 91 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: I think in the history of hard rock and metal. 92 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: Like he's not. Yeah, he's not only mentioned with like 93 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: John Bonham and Keith Moon and all those grades, but 94 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: I really think he ought to be. I mean, you know, 95 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: there's a reason why Eddie loved to play with Alex. 96 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: It's not just that they were brothers. Alex also had 97 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: the talent to keep up with Eddie van Halen. So 98 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: I think when we talk about the power center of 99 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: this band, yeah, Eddie was the man, but Alex is 100 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: a very significant part of that as well. Yeah, absolutely. 101 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: I mean that talent just ran right through the family 102 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: and the van Halen's father, Yawn, was a professional musician 103 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: and he played the clarinet and saxophone, and he's playing 104 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: the clarinet part on the Eiver downtrack Big Bad Bill, 105 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite Van Halen songs because 106 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: it's a song most likely to be mistaken for the 107 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: antiques roadshow theme, So I have I have a soft 108 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: spot for that. That's such a weird album all over 109 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: the place. So that's that's yourn On there. And so 110 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: as as Eddie and Alex got better, they formed a 111 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: band with their dad and they played weddings and bar 112 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: mitzvahs and local events and stuff like that. So that 113 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: was a bond in the family early on. Music. But 114 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: the other thing that was a bond early on was drinking. 115 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: And according to the band's one time manager, Noel Monk, 116 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: and he wrote a book a couple of years back 117 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: called Running with the Devil, Young would share drinks with 118 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: his teenage boys, and to quote uh this book, he said, 119 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm talking about a guy getting ship faced with his 120 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: teenage boys and hope that the camaraderie of drinking would 121 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: encourage honesty and transparency in their relationship so early on. 122 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: The two themes of Eddie's life are kind of established 123 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: in childhood in the family home, music and drinking to 124 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: sort of establish a connection. Yeah, you know, I don't 125 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: want to cast us versions on someone else's parenting style, 126 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know if that was that's a 127 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: good idea to get wasted with your kid. I feel 128 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: like maybe you might be training them to become an alcoholic, 129 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: which is what happened with both Eddie and Alex. That's 130 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,119 Speaker 1: going to be an issue throughout the history of Anne Halein. 131 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: But you know, Jan also was a very positive influence 132 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: in terms of his sons pursuing music, and it was 133 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: something that they did pretty early on in their life. 134 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: Like by the mid sixties they were playing in rock 135 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: bands and they had very sixties sounding bands. We were 136 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: talking about. One band they were in was called the 137 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: Broken Combs. Another band was called The Trojan Rubber Company, 138 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: very glam metal exactly, and then they were at one 139 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: point they were known as Genesis and Amazing. They were 140 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: unaware that there was a British prog rock band fronted 141 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: by Peter Gabriel, also known as Genesis, so they couldn't 142 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: keep that name, and then they changed their name to 143 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: Mammoth and they played as Mammoth. Yeah, that's a very 144 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: sort of seventies hard rock sounding name. Sounds like Mountain 145 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: or something like that. And so they're playing around Los 146 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 1: Angeles and in the music scene they end up running 147 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: into a guy named David Lee Roth. Now, David Lee 148 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: Roth was playing his own band. They were called the 149 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: Red Ball Jets because apparently, yeah, apparently David Roth would 150 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: always be chewing on red Ball candies and like, not 151 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: that David Lee Roth needs any more sugar in his 152 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: life to give him energy, but apparently the sugar would 153 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 1: just make him even like more hyperactive. And the reason 154 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: why the Van Halens ended up interacting with davidly Roth 155 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: is that David Lee Roth had his own p A 156 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: and they needed to rent a p A. So it 157 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: wasn't really because he was a singer or anything. They 158 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: just wanted his equipment. And after a while they realized, well, 159 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: if we just put this guy in our band, we 160 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: don't have to pay to rent this PA anymore. So 161 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, get the p A and the 162 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: lead singer comes for free and like I think this 163 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: has happened to other rock bands. I think like Bill 164 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: Wyman for instance, Like that's how we end up in 165 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: the Rolling Stones. It was because he had a p A. 166 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: I think there's other examples of that too. So like 167 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: a common thing for drummers too, because the drummers, like 168 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: I know, something like Pete Best I think, lined up 169 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: in the Beatles for a while just because he had 170 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: a drum kit, which was like an expensive item. Yeah, 171 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: so like you know, just buy equipment. You know, you 172 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: don't have to be it you only any talent, save 173 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: yourself some trouble down the road. Yeah, just gonna p a. 174 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: Someone's gonna put you in your band, and like chances 175 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: are it's gonna be you know, the Rolling Stones are 176 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: Van Halen, you know you're gonna end up with one 177 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: are two of those kind of bands. So you know, 178 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: good advice for future musicians. And you know the thing 179 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: about Dave two is that you know it was really 180 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: sort of a marriage of convenience, like you said, like 181 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: they would say later on, I think it was a 182 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: direct quote from Eddie. You know, we weren't what you 183 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: call conventional friends. You know, it was just something that 184 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: you know it worked for us. There was so there 185 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: was never really, I think, a real camaraderie between them 186 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: on a personal level. And their backgrounds were so so different. 187 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mentioned the van Halen's living 188 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: in one room and looking for scrap metal and dumpsters. 189 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: Dave's background was his father was this wealthy eye surgeon 190 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: who basically bankrolled his son's ambitions to be a rock star, 191 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: which is why he had this incredible p A. And 192 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, he couldn't really at least that era, and 193 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: some people Sammy Hagar fans maybe would say, you know, 194 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: you couldn't ever really sing that well. But he was 195 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: just such a master in the whole art of like 196 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: fake it till you make it. I mean, just like 197 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: look at his outfits. Uh, And it was clear that, 198 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, joining up with the van Halen brothers worked 199 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: for both of them. You know, it was just something 200 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: that worked. And I don't think that they have a 201 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: really we're friends. Yeah, you know, obviously I was listening 202 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: to a lot of Van Halen music getting ready for 203 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: these episodes, and it occurred to me that, like what 204 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: David Lee Roth is doing on those records, it's not 205 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: so much singing. It's almost like a kind of combination 206 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: of like talking and rapping. Yeah, he doesn't have the 207 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: sort of conventional voice like in the way that Sammy 208 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: Hagard did. For instance, Sammy Hagard is like the epitome 209 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: of like the journeyman rock singer of the seventies and eighties, 210 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: whereas David Lee Roth he couldn't really sing. But it's 211 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: like it was kind of better than being a singer 212 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: because what he brought was totally unique and like it 213 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: could not be replicated by anybody. I never really maybe 214 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: this is a common observation, but I never realized how 215 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: much he sounded like Animal from the Muppets until re 216 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: listening to a lot of other stuff for a while. 217 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: They're right exactly, it's a lot of just like scatting 218 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: and like in bullshitting essentially, and it but it totally works. 219 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: What's fascinating to me about like Van Halen's early days 220 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: is that it was David Lee Roth's idea to change 221 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: their name from Mammoth to van Halen. And at one 222 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: point it's like van Halen is like a cool sounding name, 223 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: like it is a name like Santana for instance, where yeah, 224 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: you can name your band after the last name of 225 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: the guitar player because it's just a cool sounding last name. Like, 226 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: if we were in a band, probably aren't going to 227 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: call it Hyden or run Top, you know, not really 228 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: one of those are cool sounding names. But van Halen 229 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: was definitely cool. But what that ended up doing, perhaps inadvertently, 230 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: is that it seems like it permanently put the power 231 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: center of the band with Eddie and Alex because obviously 232 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: you can't have a band called van Halen without any 233 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: of the van Halen's, So that us versus them mentality 234 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: that you were talking about earlier, it's just sort of 235 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: reiterated with the band name. It's like, Okay, you're either 236 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: a van Halen or you're not. And David lee Roth 237 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: clearly it was not a van Halen. I got to 238 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: give a shout out to this great book I read 239 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: a few years ago called van Halen Rising. It's by 240 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: a guy named Greg Renoff, and it covers van Halen's 241 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: career right up until the point before they recorded their 242 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: first album, So it is as the title suggests, it's 243 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: about their rise to prominence, and as much as it 244 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: is a story about van Halen, it's really like about 245 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: southern California in the mid seventies, and like one thing 246 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: that that part of the country had going that a 247 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: lot of places didn't is this thriving backyard party scene. 248 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: Like you would go to someone's house and it wouldn't 249 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: just be like a dozen people at a barbecue. It 250 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: would be like hundreds of kids at these parties. And 251 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: they would book bands and Van Halen ended up being 252 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: one of the most popular bands on this circuit. So 253 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: along with playing rock clubs, they're playing these backyard parties. 254 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: And David le Roth would talk about this later about 255 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: how he felt that Van Halen was able to be 256 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: successful because in Southern California they had to play for 257 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: so many different kinds of audiences. One night they've been 258 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: to be playing for surfer dudes. The next night it 259 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: might be for like hard drinking working men in the valley. 260 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: The next night it might be for a predominantly Mexican audience, 261 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, And he just felt like, yeah, we're a 262 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: hard rock band, so you know, they would play Aerosmith 263 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: covers and zz Top covers, but then they would also 264 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: do like Stevie Wonder covers, and they would do case 265 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: in the Sunshine Band and stuff exactly. So it was 266 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: melding all these different influences still under a hard rock banner, 267 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: but they were much more eclectic than a lot of 268 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: hard rock bands at that time. What a cool way 269 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: to come up to Like, I know, we have like 270 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: house shows and stuff now, but like having a backyard party, 271 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: like you know, like Can't Hardly Wait style or like 272 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: Dazed and Confused or something like going to like a 273 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: cager with your friends and the backyard band Halen's playing. 274 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: They're like, come on, I know, it's exactly That's why 275 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: I love that book. It's like the real life version 276 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: of Fast Times at Ridgemond High. Like when you read 277 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: that book, it's like it's such a cool vibe and 278 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: just imagine, yeah, like being in that kind of scene 279 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: with Van Halen innineteen seventy five. It just sounds totally awesome. 280 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: So they're playing these backyard parties and they're they're really 281 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: like drumming up buzz by going to like local high 282 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: schools and passing out flyers and stuff to come see 283 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: their band. Like they really having like a cool grassroots 284 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: campaign going. And they get a residency at a club 285 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: and the Sun's got strip called Ghazaries, which is like 286 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: a legendary club in l A. And they eventually link 287 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: up with bassist Michael Anthony, who's playing in a support 288 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: act called Snake. I guess I think David Lee Roth's 289 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: p A system died one night on stage and they 290 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: had the borrow like their opening acts, and it happened 291 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: to be Snake and Michael Anthony, and that was how 292 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: how he got into the band. So it's interesting how 293 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,599 Speaker 1: David Lee Roth got into the band because he was 294 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: renting him a p A. Michael Anthony got into the 295 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: band because he just let them use this PM like that. 296 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: Just that speaks so much about how Michael Anthony is 297 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: just one of the nicest guys and he doesn't deserve 298 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: what's coming. Or it speaks to how the Van Hillin 299 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: Brothers just love PA's, you know. It's like, if you 300 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: have a PA, the Van Hillin Brothers are like, we're 301 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: there any even if you are just sort of like 302 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 1: adjacent to a p A, you can be in our band. 303 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: So it's uh six and Gene Simmons catches one of 304 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: their shows and I heard a rumor that it was 305 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: with an idol to recruit Eddie and to Kiss. I 306 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: don't know how true that is, but that would be 307 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: an interesting tangent in an alternate universe rock history if 308 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: Eddie one up and Kiss. But Jean is so impressed 309 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: with the group and he uh he goes and records 310 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: a demo with them, brings it to Kiss management to 311 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 1: try to get people excited. They're not excited. I think 312 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: the quote was they don't stand the chance. That's what 313 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: they said about Van Halen. Jean wanted to try to 314 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: help them by asking them to change their names to 315 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: the Daddy Long Legs, which is decent band name. Not 316 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: as good as Van Halen, definitely not as good as 317 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: Um as Mammoth, but it's very specific to like nineteen 318 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: seventy six, I feel like that band name. So eventually 319 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: Warner Brothers record producer Ted Templeman cut another one of 320 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: their shows and signed them to a contract. Uh. They 321 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: released a revamped version of The Kinks He Really Got Me, 322 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: which got some national tension, but this was nothing compared 323 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: to the release of their self titled debut in February 324 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: seventy eight, which almost immediately I think, went platinum and 325 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: just established them as a huge Force. I mean, the 326 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: album went on the cell like twelve million copies. I mean, 327 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: what can you say about one of the truly one 328 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: of the best rock debuts in his absolute atomic punk 329 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: little Dreamer eruption of course, I mean, good lord, Yeah, 330 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: that album is like the greatest hits album. It's their debut. 331 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: But like you know, every song, like pretty much every 332 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: song on that record has been played the death on 333 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: FM radio. I gotta say I'm personally a big fan 334 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: of ice Cream Man. I just want to say that now, 335 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: which maybe we'll see me siding more with Roth in 336 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: this episode because I'm into this whole like almost like 337 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: vaudevillian thing. Oh yeah, I love ice Cream Man as well. 338 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: And in a way, like you can look at that 339 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: song as like the perfect synthesis of Roth and Van Halen, 340 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: where it starts out and Roth is doing his like 341 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: you know, like scat singing, you know, stick, and then 342 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: it just totally rocks at the end, like Eddie just 343 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: burst into the song and takes it off, and it's like, oh, 344 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: this is what was so great about Van Halen. You 345 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: know that they could start in this goofy place but 346 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: also make it feel real and authentic. At the same time. 347 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: And I think that like what set Van Halen apart, 348 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: like really from the beginning of their career and certainly 349 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: during the Roth years, is that they were the first 350 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: metal band that I think non metal heads could love. 351 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: You know. There was just something so like friendly and 352 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: like inviting about them. Like you think about that song 353 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: Running with the Devil, Like if Black Sabbath did a 354 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: song called Running with the Devil, it would actually be 355 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: about running with the devil, like it would be about evil. 356 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: It would be foreboding, like you would have nightmares after 357 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: hearing that song, Whereas when Van Halen does it, it's 358 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: like we're doing it metaphorically. You know, we're raising hell 359 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: in a fun way. You know, we're gonna blow the 360 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: doors off a Friday night, you know, like let's party, 361 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: let's have a good time, let's all get together, you know. 362 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: And I know David Lee Roth, He's often talked about 363 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,359 Speaker 1: how he felt that Van Hellen was a band for everybody, 364 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, that they weren't snobs in any way. They 365 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: welcomed everyone into their tent. And I think Eddie Van Halen, 366 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: certainly at the beginning, I think he was on the 367 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: same page with that, you know, I think he also 368 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: wanted van Halen. They had that kind of broad appeal. 369 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: But I think as the years went on, it does 370 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: seem like there was like a musical split between Roth 371 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: and Eddie in terms of where they were going to 372 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: go musically. I think David Lee Roth was very much 373 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: a guy who put a premium on poppiness and dance ability, 374 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: whereas Eddie Van Halen, again, he's this extremely talented guitar player. 375 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: You know, he wants to start doing maybe some more 376 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: sophisticated music, stuff that's a little more complicated, and he 377 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: really felt stifled. One thing that I think is interesting 378 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: about early van Halen is that there was this battle 379 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: long before they're you know, they're that huge album would 380 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: jump on it. There was this battle between davidly Roth 381 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: and ed evan Halen about synthesizers because like Eddie Van 382 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: Halen actually, like he would talk about how he wrote 383 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: a lot of his guitar parts on piano and then 384 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, transcribe them to guitar, and he was insane. 385 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: It's crazy that he did that, but like, you know, 386 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: he loved piano. He wanted to play SyncE like fairly 387 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: early on in the band and David Lee Roth would 388 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: always veto it, and yet at the same time, davidly 389 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: Roth was also the pop guy. I just wonder, like 390 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: what the thinking was there. It's very interesting. Yeah, it's strange. 391 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: I mean it's not as simple as like you get 392 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: like a Beach Boys thing with with Brian Wilson wanting 393 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: to make these kind of deep, dark orchestral like mood pieces. 394 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 1: And then you've got Mike Love being like no, no, no, 395 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: like let's get people dance. We're a party band. Like 396 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: it's not that simple at all with this. I mean, 397 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: it's crazy how we'll get this later on, Like you know, 398 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: they didn't like Jump. It's like Eddie's like, hey, I'm 399 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: trying to make you the best most poppy, accessible dance 400 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: track I can. Like how like I'm not making something 401 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: that's like hard to grasp here. If anything, it's it's 402 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: more simple than what we were doing. Yeah, they're that 403 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: dynamic is really interesting to me. I mean, I think 404 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: the other thing that's going on here, I mean maybe 405 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: at heart it isn't even so much about poppumists versus sophistication. 406 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,239 Speaker 1: It's really just like a power struggle, like who's going 407 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: to be in control of the band and really around 408 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: you know, I guess like nine eight or so, it 409 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: really seems like, you know, the lead singer, disease syndrome 410 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: is really kicking in with David Lee Roth. Yeah. I 411 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: mean there was a story I think it was in 412 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: greg Ryannoff's book about the Women and Children First Cover, 413 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: and David Lee Roth wanted to hire the legendary fashion 414 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: photographer Helmett Newton to do these like glamorous cover shots, 415 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: and I guess he and Helmet hit it off. I 416 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: think they were at like a pool, like the Beverly 417 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: Hills Hotel or something like glamorous pool and they met 418 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: and Helmet said, you're my new favorite blonde. He was 419 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: really taken by Roth. So they end up having a 420 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: photography session at David Lee Roth's house with with Helmet 421 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: and helmets, just getting all these close up shots of Dave. 422 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: And there's a really famous shot. I think one of 423 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: the only shots that actually was published from that session 424 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: is David shirtless with his hands chained above his head 425 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: and this like strange christ like pose by like a cyclone. 426 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: Fans that's fine arts art, and the other band members 427 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: are like, we're a band, Like, first of all, we're 428 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: paying way too much money to this guy. I mean, 429 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: this is way out of our art budget to hire 430 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: this like, you know, legendary fashion photographer. And also he's 431 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: just purely focusing on Dave and somebody outtakes. You see 432 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: from the session that day, you look at Eddie and 433 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: Alex and they look just iraate. They look miserable. I 434 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: mean it's obvious that like this photographer really thinks that 435 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: Dave is the guy and everyone else is expendable. So 436 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: there's a huge fight about this, and the brothers really think, 437 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: you know, this is Dave's effort to try to hijack 438 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: the band's image for this new album just to serve 439 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: his own artistic So those photographs were, uh were junked basically, 440 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: and the recent compromise by hiring the photographer Norman Sieff, 441 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: who I guess has a talent for making fractured bands 442 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: look like friends and uh, and he succeeded really admirably 443 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: on the cover of the album. I mean, you look, 444 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: I mean it looks like you know, the flag raising 445 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: and elu Jima or something. They're all like all all 446 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: banded together. It's a great cover. Yeah, right, Yeah, it's 447 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: an awesome cover, and then inside is the poster of 448 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: Roth with his you know, christ and chains pose as 449 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: like a special gift for fans, and I thought that 450 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: was like a really perfect metaphor for the band at 451 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: this time. You know, there's like a deceptive shot that 452 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: presents on the cover, that presents Van Halen as this 453 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: unified group, but then lurking on the inside is this 454 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: outrageous solo glamour shot of Diamond Dave. I feel like 455 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: that's sort of like that really sets up what's succumb 456 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: all right hand. We'll be right back with more rivals. 457 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: So if you have your rock and roll bingo card 458 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: and you're charting, when bands start to go wrong, I 459 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: feel like arguments over album covers is like a serious 460 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: red flag. You know, that would be like at the 461 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: center of the big No card. But of course in 462 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: Van Halen, these differences are also starting to manifest themselves musically, 463 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: and I think you can really see that on the 464 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: next to Van Halen records, the one after Women and 465 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: Children first is Fair Warning comes out, and I think 466 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: it's fair to say that Fair Warning is like the 467 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: Van Halen Officionado's favorite Van Halen album, you know, like 468 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: this is the one where there are hits on it, 469 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: like Unchained is on that record, and so this is 470 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: love but unlike you know, like the first couple of 471 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: Van Halen records, like there's not a lot of radio 472 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: standards on Fair Warning. It's more about just this sort 473 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: of dark and dirty, intense rock music. Really, like I 474 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: think the darkest music van Halen made during the David 475 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: Lee Roth era, you know, thinking of songs like Center 476 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: Swing and like dirty movies and of course like Mean Street, 477 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: the leadoff track, which is like I think one of 478 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: the greatest van Halen songs, and I think a Fair 479 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: Warning as being like a total Eddie van Halen record. 480 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: It just feels like it has his fingerprint. It is 481 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: all over it, wonderful guitar parts on it. It seems like, 482 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: again it's more about the music, not about the image. 483 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: David Lee Roth isn't like scatting as much on that record, 484 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: you know, he's not doing the stick as much. I mean, 485 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: obviously Unchained has some of that. I guess the poppulier 486 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: moments that people remember have that. But it's really like 487 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: it's almost like social commentary on that album, which you 488 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: don't associate with David Lee Roth era van Halen, but 489 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: there's a real serious to fair warning that I think 490 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: again it feels more in line with Eddie van Halen. 491 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: And then you have diver Down. The next record comes 492 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: out two and that record is proceeded by a single. 493 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: It's a cover of Pretty Women, the Roy Orbison song. 494 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: And again this is harkening back to the early days 495 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: of Van Halen when they really broke themselves by doing 496 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: hard rock covers of sixties songs. You know, you really 497 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: got me, of course from the first record being the 498 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: most obvious example, and Diver Down ends up being this 499 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: record that's like half covers and like half originals. You know, 500 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: we we we mentioned that song Big Bad Bill, which 501 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: is almost like a novelty number or Van Haalen, and 502 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: it seems very much like a David Lee roth type record. 503 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: And I know, like Eddie and Alex have both gone 504 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: on record in subsequent years as saying that like Diver 505 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: Down was not a record they really liked. And I 506 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: would say that for me, it's like easily the weakest 507 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: of the David E. Roth era records. It's still a 508 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: lot of fun and I appreciate the humor of it, 509 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: but I think you can see they're pretty clearly that 510 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: like Eddie van Haalen saw the band in a certain 511 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: kind of way that was really starting to clash with 512 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: the way David Lee Roth saw it. Yeah, I mean, 513 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: I don't think that album they really even wanted to 514 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: do it because they've just gotten off the Fair Warning 515 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: tour and they were tired and they wanted to take 516 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: a break, and they put out the Royal Orbison coverage 517 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: just is sort of like a stop gap because Ted 518 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: Templeman loved doing those covers. That was mostly him pushing that. 519 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: I think early on that it was an easy way 520 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: to get a hit. Was that just you know, rock 521 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,719 Speaker 1: up an old standard that was a hit, and then 522 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: when the song did so well, the label was like, Okay, 523 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: you gotta put an album out around this. This is 524 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: too good to miss. So then you get I always 525 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: thought of this as kind of like being like their 526 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: version of New Orders Brotherhood. You had half of it 527 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: that were these covers at Eddie just thought was musically vapid. 528 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: He didn't really get much out of it, And then 529 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: you had a couple of originals that he wrote that 530 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: he felt good about. And I think that the song 531 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: that really crystallizes these two sides is Dancing in the Street. 532 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: The cover of the Martha and the Vandela's song and 533 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: the synthrift from it is taken from a totally separate 534 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: song that Eddie was working on, and I guess ted 535 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: and David Lee Roth heard it and so wait, that 536 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: would actually work really good under this cover. So you 537 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: get this, like, you know, this song that was really 538 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: going to be almost like a Peter Gabriel type song 539 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: that Eddie was working on being put underneath this you know, 540 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: rocked up motown version and it worked, but it was 541 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: definitely you can see the fault lines between them musically. 542 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: I think on that almost more than anything else they've done. Yeah, 543 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: I wonder like, is there going to be like a 544 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: box set of like just music that Eddie van Halen 545 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: was working on at this time that never saw the 546 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: light of day. I know that he's, like he talked 547 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: about in his life about how he didn't want to 548 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: put out this more experimental music that he was making 549 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: because he was basically just afraid of being judged for 550 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: stepping outside of his lane. And I'm really fascinated by like, 551 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: what would Eddie van Halens Peter Gabriel like song that 552 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: he wrote in one sound like? You know this, this 553 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: is like a whole other side to him. I think 554 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: that we never got to see. Oh totally, yeah, I 555 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: mean it'll be interesting if there's like, you know, a 556 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: Salinger like uh issue of all sorts of stuff that 557 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: he had stored away for years, that would be incredible. 558 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: But back in Eddie one Eddy two, they go on 559 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: a tour to promote Diver Down. They're really getting on 560 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: each other's nerves at this point. I mean, they really 561 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: haven't had much time to relax of the last three 562 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: or four years. And Dave would say, you know, there's 563 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: always tension with me and Edward, but then again, there's 564 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: always tension between me and the freaking bus driver. But 565 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: Dave at this point was becoming really less and less 566 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: satisfied with his role in the band is basically, you know, 567 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: like a performing monkey test, which just sort of delivering 568 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: Eddie's musical messages. And he was also really resentful at 569 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: this point of Eddie's sort of higher media profile because 570 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: at this point he married Valerie Burton Elly and suddenly 571 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: all the headlines were about you know, the rock star 572 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: who married America's sweetheart, and so Dave felt even more 573 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: sidelined by this. I mean he was also not guy 574 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: who was really all that fond of the whole marriage 575 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: idea anyway, So he started to really act out. And 576 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: this shows up probably most prominently and most famously at 577 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: the US Festival in nineteen eighty three and the band 578 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: got I still find this amazing. They got one point 579 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: five million dollars for seventy five minutes. That's incredible. I 580 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: mean that's in dollars too, So you know what would 581 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: that be now? Would they'd be like three million, maybe 582 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: even like four millions? Oh yeah, I mean it just 583 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: speaks to how huge Van Human were. And this is 584 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: before Jump comes out too, so like they were already 585 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: just a huge band, and you know most bands for 586 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: getting that kind of money, would you know, maybe get 587 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: a little nervous beforehand and really practice a little extra 588 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: and really try to give it there all. Dave shows 589 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: up kind of staggering, drunk, I would say, and he's like, 590 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: I can't remember the words to the songs in front 591 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: of three or fifty thou people, and he's like roaring 592 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: at and this is where he really does his like 593 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: Animal from the Muppets voice. He's like roaring at the crowd. 594 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: He has some like like he's yelling at a guy 595 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: in the front row, Hey, man, don't be squirting water me. 596 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna fuck your girlfriend. Pal. I'm really good. There's 597 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: some choice moments on YouTube of him in the middle 598 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: of that show and like a roadie brings him a 599 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: bottle of Jack Daniels on stage and it's did you 600 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: drop like a busy bussy bop at the end of that, 601 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think of how we can make 602 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: that more. David Lee Roth like, yeah, it's incredible. I mean, 603 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: for any other band, this would have been like a 604 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: pr disaster, but you know, for Van Halen, it's perfect. 605 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: They are the ultimate party band and the crowd loves it. 606 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: But Eddie doesn't love it. He's a perfectionist and he's 607 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: really pissed. And I guess they go backstage to talk 608 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: about an encore and there's this huge fight back there 609 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: about Dave's condition at the time, So that was that 610 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 1: was a major red flag that they were heading for 611 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: heading for disaster. Yeah, you know, I think you know 612 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about this more in our van Hagar episode. 613 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: But you know, people talk about the changes in Van 614 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: Halen and they really ascribe it to the lead singers, 615 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: and I think people overlooked how Eddie van Halen himself 616 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: was changing at this time. And I think that he 617 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: was tiring a little bit of being perceived as again 618 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: like this dumb party band, you know, because again he 619 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: is a genius. He's a musical virtuos and he wants 620 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: to spread his wings, and I think he was really 621 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: starting to feel confined by the image that the band 622 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: had because David Lee Roth was the front man, and 623 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: you really start to see I think this developed around 624 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: the time of four, which ends up being one of 625 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: the biggest albums of Van Halen's careers. Of course, it's 626 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: the album that has jumped on it Panamas on that 627 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: record Hot for Teacher, and it's a crucial album van 628 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: Halen's history, not only because it really put them on 629 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: the same I think strata as like Michael Jackson and 630 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen. I mean they really were like the hard 631 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: rock version of that in the mainstream. But also this 632 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: was around the time that like Eddie built his own 633 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: studio called and he really started like making music on 634 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: his own and a lot of music, and sometimes he'd 635 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: have Alex come over and they would jam pretty regularly. 636 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: But that us versus them dynamic that we that we've 637 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: been talking about in this episode, I think it really 638 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: gets asturbated here because now you know he has the 639 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: ability to really just make records on his own and 640 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: maybe have David Lee Roth come in at the end. 641 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: And it really flares up. And we've talked about this already, 642 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: but like the controversy over Jump, how David the Roth 643 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: didn't like Jump, had Templeman didn't like Jump, and it 644 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: had to do with this synthesizer part. And Eddie Van 645 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: Halen was at the point now where he's like, Okay, 646 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: you're not going to tell me what to do anymore, 647 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: Like I have held back on my ambitions long enough, 648 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna put it on this song. I think 649 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: it really works and it becomes his power struggle between 650 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: him and Roth and and Eddie just at one point says, look, 651 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: if I want to play a tuba or Bavarian cheese 652 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: whistle on a Van Halen record, I'll do it. And 653 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: it really kind of becomes like a line in the 654 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: sand between him and Roth that is uh, gonna end 655 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: up like wrecking this lineup. I love how when Roth's 656 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: biography calls the music from this period morose. Yeah yeah, 657 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: what is that like Panama's morose? Hot for teachers morose? 658 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: Like it makes those they're not making a letter Cohen 659 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: record here? Yeah, David says his famous line from this 660 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: is like, you know, you're a guitar here and nobody 661 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: wants to see you playing keyboards. But yeah, I mean, 662 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: it's just it's hard to deny just how catchy that 663 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: song is. It's it's amazing now to really think that 664 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: they would have a problem with him. It's like I 665 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,719 Speaker 1: was saying earlier. I mean, it's not like they were 666 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: going to alienate anybody. I don't think, although you know, 667 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: it's funny now you look back and you always hear 668 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: about how like Eddie's gamble paid off, But like, was 669 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: there blowback at the time from some of the more 670 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: like you know, headbanging fans that really heard the synth 671 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: and so what the hell is this crap? I mean, 672 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: did they lose a lot of fans from that? I 673 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: don't know if they lost a lot of fans. I 674 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: think it's hard to tell, because I'm sure there were 675 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: people that were piste off that they put a synthesizer 676 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: on a song. And I know, like from talking with 677 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: like serious fan haling heads that like they tend to 678 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: put like the first record or fair Warning, and I 679 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: think Jump has a lot to do with it. So 680 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: they might have lost some fans, but like it's a 681 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: total wash because they gained I'm sure millions more fans 682 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: because they love that song. And I think it goes 683 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: back again to what I was saying before with that 684 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: like Van Halen was a band for everybody. They were 685 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: not a band just from metal heads, and I think 686 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: Jump ended up being the ultimate manifestation of that. But 687 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: it also in a way leads to the destruction because 688 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: they put out this record that's a huge hit, sponsor 689 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: of multiple hits, but it's the beginning of the end 690 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: for this lineup of the band. Yeah, I mean, they're 691 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: as big as they ever are. And Dave goes to 692 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: the press I think at the end of four, the 693 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: year four, and he goes on MTVS liner notes and 694 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: he says, and he's incredible, He's the king of the metaphor. 695 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: I have to say rock bands are like dogs that 696 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: chase cars. They make a lot of noise and get 697 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: a lot of attention, but they don't last too long. 698 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens. Uh, you know. And at 699 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: this point the van Halen brothers are looking at Dave 700 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: of like a time bomb, like what is he gonna do? 701 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: What's he gonna say? Like he's going out there and 702 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: saying all this stuff. He gives an interview to Billboard 703 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: around the same time in early five uh, and the 704 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: headline is van Halen's roth, Maybe It's over, and it 705 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: has this really kind of haunting quote from day if. 706 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: He says, since my very first days with the band 707 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: eleven years ago, I've always had the feeling that one 708 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: day I would wake up in a cold hotel, all 709 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: the rooms would be empty, and I would be stuck 710 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: by a phone with a busy signal. From the first day, 711 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: nothing has changed. It's brutal. That is cold. That is cold. 712 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: And it's interesting to me that he was making overtures 713 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: to the press already that man Helen might be ending, 714 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: and only because he was feeling that way. And look, 715 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: if you listen to our show, you will notice that 716 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: there's a pattern where someone in a band who's unhappy 717 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: makes overtures to the press saying that, hey, I think 718 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: the band is over, but only saying that because they 719 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: themselves feel that way and they haven't consulted the other 720 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: people in the band. And we all know how that 721 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: turns out, don't we know? It always turns out the 722 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: same way. The guy who was going to the press 723 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: saying this stuff always ends up out of the band, 724 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: and the band continues and ends up having usually even 725 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: greater success than they had when that person was in 726 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: the band. Well, there's going to the press is bad. 727 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: But then when you have a band meeting to talk 728 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: about the future, that's talking about the future of the band, 729 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: discussion is just that's the end right there, I mean, 730 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,719 Speaker 1: And that's what happens. Soon after all these interviews went 731 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: to press and the spring of eightie five, Eddie and 732 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: Dave meet up to talk about what to do next. Uh. 733 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: Eddie is just tired at this point. I mean he 734 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: was tired back in the diver Down era. I mean, 735 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: he want, he's just years and years of these grueling 736 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: world tours and he's thinking, you know, maybe we could 737 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: just promote, you know, to the next tour. I would 738 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: be sort of a more scaled down affair. Dave's thinking, 739 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, this is gonna be a rip off for fans, 740 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: so they're at an impast with what to do next. Meanwhile, 741 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: davidle Roth is getting ready to put out his first 742 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: solo record. It's an EP called Crazy from the Heat. 743 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: Now this ends up being a huge hit. It spawns 744 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: off covers of California girls and just to Jiggilow, ain't 745 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: got nobody and to me, like Crazy from the Heat 746 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: in a way, you could look at it as like 747 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: an ideal solo project from the lead singer of a band. 748 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: I mean, like no band likes it when their lead 749 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: singer puts out solo material, because the idea is that, like, well, 750 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: if they just do what we do as a band, 751 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: the public will just go to the lead singer and 752 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: will undermine what we do in our sort of commercial viability. 753 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: But like what David lee Roth did, Crazy from the 754 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: Heat is like diametrically opposed to Van Halen. I mean 755 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: there's I dont think there's even a guitar on that EP. 756 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: It's all these very kind of show busy, sticky covers 757 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: that I think are actually like pretty charming. I love 758 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: his version of just Jigglow. I actually think there's like 759 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: some genuine pathos at the end of that song, Like 760 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: that is kind of like a meta commentary on like 761 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: his own persona. You know, this like kind of slutty 762 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: male singer who is you know, I'm sure he didn't 763 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: feel this way at the time, but like he was 764 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: a few years away from having his downfall essentially, and 765 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: like I feel like that song is almost like, you know, 766 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 1: preciant in that regard. But um, I mean this ep 767 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: ends up like being another sort of like wrench and 768 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: being thrown into the mess of Van Halen because like 769 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 1: davidly Roth also wants to make a movie called Crazy 770 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: from the Heat, And there was actually like a period 771 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: like where major studios were very interested in this. Of course, 772 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: van Halen was a huge band, and davidly Roth just 773 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: has stars in his eyes. He's like, you know what, 774 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 1: I care more about this movie than the band. Maybe 775 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: I'll come back to the band when I'm done making 776 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: the movie. But like who knows, right, I mean, it's 777 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: the Helmet Newton thing all over again. Like he wants 778 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: to be front and the center, and you know, in 779 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, who can blame him. And he 780 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: goes to Eddie and says, you know, I really want 781 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 1: to do this movie. Will you do the soundtrack for me? 782 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: And he's like, no, I'm not gonna do. I'm tired. 783 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: I also want to do our band stuff. I'm not 784 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 1: going to do the soundtrack be your crazy movie. Absolutely not. 785 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: The band is called van Halen, like, it's not called 786 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: David Lee Roth, Like, who do you think you're talking to? 787 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: And that really was sort of what did it? I 788 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: guess Dave said, you know, I can't work with you 789 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: guys anymore. I want to do my movie. When I'm done, 790 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: we'll get back together. And uh. I think they both 791 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 1: kind of knew what that meant. I guess there were 792 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: there was a hug and some tears and uh and 793 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: they parted and uh and that was really it for 794 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: for Roth and van Halen and which and you know what, 795 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: after all that, the movie fell through, which I always 796 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: think is is sort of the biggest tragedy of all this. 797 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: We never got to see it. I think there's some 798 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: controversy in respect about like whether Roth was fired or 799 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: whether he quit, because like the van Halen brother said 800 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: that David Lee Roth walked out on the band, whereas 801 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: Roth has suggested that he was fired, and really, I mean, 802 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: like we don't know for sure. I tend to believe 803 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 1: that he left. I think that David Lee Roth felt 804 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 1: that he was the biggest star in Van Halen and 805 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: that the band would not be able to succeed without him, um, 806 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: which you know, isn't that much of a stretch. I 807 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: think in eighty six, if you were to imagine Van 808 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: Halen without David Lee Roth at the front, it just 809 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: would have seen inconceivable. Even though there were other bands, 810 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, like Genesis or A. C. D C. You know, 811 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: that had great success after hiring a new lead singer, 812 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: It just it did seem like David Lee Roth was 813 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: so endemic to the success of Van Halen. So I 814 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: believe that he probably thought, Okay, I'm killing this band 815 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: by walking out, and I'll just go and do it 816 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: myself and I'll be a huge star, right. Although it's funny, 817 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: I think there's the same thing with Sammy two years 818 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 1: later about the debate about whether or not he said 819 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: that he was fired, and they said that he walked 820 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: out too. So that's that's interesting. That ends up replaying 821 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: itself two years later. Yeah, there's a real like it's 822 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: again lead singer disease just running rampant in the van 823 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: Halen camp. So they keep quiet about this for a while, 824 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,919 Speaker 1: maybe just to see if you know, Dave would ever 825 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: you know, come back. Uh So for a couple of 826 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: months they end up keeping quiet about any any you know, 827 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: major changes in van Halen until June six, and uh, 828 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: Eddie's talking in the press again now and he overall, 829 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: Eddie has been very quiet in the press, I would 830 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: say about you know, his feelings towards David. David's definitely 831 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: like the you know, the quote machine here, but he's 832 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: talking about tensions, about how there were times when it 833 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: was so stressful in van Halen that he even considered quitting. 834 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: But they finally make the big announcement in mid August 835 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: in a Rolling Stone interview where Eddie says, you know, 836 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: the band is, you know, it is over. Dave left 837 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: to be a movie star, and fairly quickly Sammy Hagar 838 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: ends up in the band. I think, like, wasn't his 839 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: first performance with van Halen just like a few months later, Yeah, 840 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: it was, like I think it was in September eighties 841 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: six at farm Aide, which is an interesting place to 842 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: imagine that, Like Van Hagar makes their debut at farm Maide. Yeah, 843 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,399 Speaker 1: and look, we'll get into that more next week about 844 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: how he ended up in the band, and like, because 845 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: there were other lead singers that they had approached at 846 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: that time, it could have been someone else other than 847 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: Sammy Hagar, but yeah, Big turned into Van Hagar. And 848 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: I meanwhile, David Lee Roth is shaking his spandex behind 849 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: on his own and for a while I think he 850 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: was pretty successful. Yeah. I mean, he's got two really 851 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 1: good albums in the late eighties, Eat Him and Smile 852 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: and The Skyscraper, and there are a lot like his EPM, 853 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 1: and they're blending rock and roll with this really kind 854 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: of eccentric mix of lounge and jazz. I mean, he 855 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: covers That's Life and the the garage rock staple Tobacco 856 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 1: Road that the Nashville teens did in the sixties, and 857 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: I love that side of him. I just gotta say, 858 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: even that little like soft shoe bit in the Hot 859 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: for Teacher video, when like he's out front under the 860 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: disco ball and like a suit, Like, I just I 861 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: like when he's trying to be like Sammy Davis Jr. 862 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,439 Speaker 1: I always really enjoy that side of him. So yeah, 863 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: he had that side, But then he also did have 864 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: this on those records where he was trying to kind 865 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: of replicate Van Halen. And it's prime like he hired 866 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: Steve I to be his guitar player, who was like 867 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: a younger version of Eddie Van Halen. On Basse, he 868 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: hired this guy named Billy Shean who was known as 869 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: the Eddie Van Halen of bass. And there was actually 870 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: like a period in the early eighties like where Eddie 871 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: Van Halen thought about like getting rid of Michael Anthony 872 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: and putting Billy Sheen in the band, uh, just because 873 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: he thought like, oh, this is a guy that can 874 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: really keep up with me. So it did seem like 875 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: David Lee Roth was trying to build a new version 876 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: of Van Halen essentially. And when you hear songs like 877 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: just like Paradise and Yankee Rose, you know, like the 878 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,439 Speaker 1: big singles from those albums, they are really infectious and fun, 879 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: and again, like I enjoy those albums. But one thing 880 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: I think that's clear, like when you watch the videos 881 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: for those records, is that David Lee Roth was getting 882 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: old pretty quickly, you know what I mean, Like like 883 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: there was a certain period of time like where he 884 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: could get away again with like we're in the Spandex 885 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: doing the karate moves, like jumping off of the drum, 886 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: rise are doing all those Davidly Roth antics. But like, 887 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: once you get into your thirties and you're starting to 888 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: approach forty, you can't pull that off as much anymore, 889 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: Not saying that he couldn't physically pull it off, but 890 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: just you start to look a little ridiculous. And of 891 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: course the music scene was starting to change as well, 892 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: of course, like in the late eighties that was the 893 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: prime of like Poison and Winger and Warrant and all 894 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: of these bands that were trying to be Van Halen. 895 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: But you know, pretty soon we're gonna get into the 896 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: nineties and like that glam rock stuff is not going 897 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: to work at all. And I think, you know, we'll 898 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: talk about this more next week, but I think when 899 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: we talk about the van Hagar era, you know, as 900 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: much as people malign that era, and and again I 901 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: don't think it's as good as the David Lee Roth eres, 902 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 1: but I think in a way, like Roth left van 903 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: Halen at exactly the right time, because I really don't 904 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: know how Van Halen would have evolved with David Lee 905 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: Roth as the lead singer in the late eighties going 906 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: into the nineties. I feel like with him at the lead, 907 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: they would have inevitably become an anachronism, just because again, 908 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: like he was so much of his time and place 909 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: that I don't know, like like what does a mature 910 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: davidly Roth look like? You know, Like what does like 911 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: an elder statesman David Lee Roth look like at the 912 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: head of van Halen? Like It's just hard for me 913 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 1: to conceive it. And van Halen he didn't want maybe 914 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: David Lee Roth to leave, but by putting Sammy Hagar in, 915 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: they were able to become a different kind of band, 916 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 1: more of like an adult contemporary band in a way 917 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 1: that I think suited who they were as they were 918 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: getting older and also their audience, you know, their audience 919 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: was also getting older. Uh So it was like a 920 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 1: forced evolution. But in a lot of uys, I think 921 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: it makes sense. Yeah, it was an excuse to have 922 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: a fresh slate as as the music scene was changing 923 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: so much. I mean it was it gave him an 924 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: excuse not to make that like, oh my god, we're 925 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: gonna make our adult contemporary album now. I was like, well, 926 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 1: we have to change our sound anyway. We have this 927 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: new guy in there, so let's make those necessary adjustments 928 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: and press on. And yeah, like you said, I think 929 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: that Sammy, for how maligned his his tenure in the 930 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: band was. I think you know, he served not only 931 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: as a replacement, but it was a way forward which 932 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: worked out. I mean, we'll this more next week and 933 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: means four number one albums. I mean, he definitely was successful. 934 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: I think one mistake that Sammy Hagar made and I'll 935 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: delve more into this next week, but he didn't like 936 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: singing David Lee Roth songs. He was very sort of 937 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: like wary of like delving into the early records. And 938 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: I think in a way that was a mistake because 939 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 1: it created this sense of longing for that era. I 940 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,399 Speaker 1: think people would have had anyway. But it's like, even 941 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: if you loved Van Hagar, like you couldn't go to 942 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: their show and here ain't talking about love or unchained. 943 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: And I think over time it just created this sense 944 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: of anticipation for like Van Halen getting back together with 945 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: David Lee Roth, which you could see pretty much as 946 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: soon as Sammy Hagar gets kicked out of the band 947 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: like he leaves in nineties six and already people are 948 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: like Wedn's David the Roth coming back, right, It seems like, 949 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,839 Speaker 1: I mean from the stories that Sammy's told, as soon 950 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: as Sammy takes a walk either on the phone to 951 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 1: Dave and it comes about and I really kind of like, 952 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: you know, in a way that one wouldn't expect. They 953 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 1: have the greatest Hits compilation due out and uh, and 954 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: they want to make some new songs for it. So 955 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: Eddie calls up Dave and wants to know if he 956 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: wants to to make some new music for it. So 957 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 1: they meet up at studios apparently without warning Alex and 958 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 1: Michael Anthony that that time and Dave was due to 959 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: show back up, which I love. Look who I ran 960 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: into rite. Yeah, Yeah, He's just gonna come by and 961 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,919 Speaker 1: sing some tracks and they have two new songs. Can't 962 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 1: get this stuff no more? And me wise magic Uh fine. 963 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: I mean I think most fans are thinking that this 964 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 1: was basically a dry run for a full fledged, like 965 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 1: real reunion. I mean, those songs, what do you think 966 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,359 Speaker 1: of those songs? I think of him as like kind 967 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,359 Speaker 1: of like the Beatles, like free as a Bird, real 968 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 1: love type, like Okay, it's it's there here. If me 969 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: Wise Magic tapped me on the shoulder and said my 970 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,400 Speaker 1: name is the Wise Magic, I would still not know 971 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: what it was. I do not remember those songs remotely 972 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: me Wise Magic. Maybe one of the worst song titles, 973 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: maybe the worst song title in the Van Halen canon. 974 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,359 Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, it was like it didn't really 975 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: matter what those songs were. It was they were taking 976 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,320 Speaker 1: as signifiers that, like David Lee, Roth was going to 977 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,800 Speaker 1: be back into the fold, right, and that's something bigger 978 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: and better was coming. But unfortunately, before that could happen, 979 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,280 Speaker 1: there was the v M. As we love the VMAs 980 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: on the show, we really do. Yes, yes, oh my god, 981 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: this one. Van Halen plus Roth are on stage. Uh, 982 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: they're presenting an award to Beck I believe, and before 983 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: they do so, Roth gets in front of the mic 984 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: and he's definitely going off script. You can see Eddie 985 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 1: and Alex looking at each other with just pure fear 986 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,239 Speaker 1: in their eyes, and Dave says, we have an announcement 987 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: to make. We have to address a subject here. This 988 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,320 Speaker 1: is the first time we've actually stood on stage together 989 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: and over a decade, and he's just like really just 990 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 1: like rilling the crowd up and he Alex like, no, no, 991 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: stuff is novel. We're here to do please, We're here 992 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: to just give this nice guy back his award, and 993 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 1: they give him his moon Man Trophy and Dave's just 994 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: in the background and he's given his acceptance speech, just 995 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 1: like grinning dementedly and dancing around and uh, really embarrasses 996 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,839 Speaker 1: the band. Yeah. You know, look, if you haven't seen 997 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: this clip, you gotta go on YouTube and see this clip. 998 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: David Lee Roth looks like a poodle that has just 999 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: ingested entire case of like surge soda. You know, he's 1000 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,799 Speaker 1: just hopping up and down. He's going nuts, and you 1001 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,280 Speaker 1: can just see, like in real time, Eddie Van Helen 1002 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: being just so annoyed with David Lee Roth to the 1003 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: point of like genuine anger, and that really spills over 1004 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,239 Speaker 1: backstage because you know they're they're talking to the press 1005 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, David the Roth is like in 1006 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 1: his element because he's like been in the wilderness for 1007 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 1: like a decade, like while Van Helen has gone on 1008 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,719 Speaker 1: and just hold millions of records, davidly Ross's career has 1009 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: phone apart, you know, and he's like, you know, playing 1010 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 1: like backwater casinos essentially at this point. So he's just 1011 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 1: thrilled that he's like back on MTV. He's a star again. 1012 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 1: And Eddie van Halen, you know, starts talking about his 1013 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,320 Speaker 1: hip because he was having hip issues at the time 1014 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,399 Speaker 1: and you know, thinking about getting surgery, and David Roth 1015 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: basically says, no one wants to hear about your fucking hip. 1016 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: This is my moment. And Eddie van Halen is like 1017 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,720 Speaker 1: cool for like a little bit, but again he's thinking, 1018 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,440 Speaker 1: wait a second, like I'm Eddie van Halen, like this 1019 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,359 Speaker 1: is my band. I'm the genius here. And he says 1020 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,359 Speaker 1: to davidly Roth at one point, he's like, look, if 1021 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 1: you ever speak to me like that again, you better 1022 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: be wearing a cup that this quote, you know. And 1023 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,759 Speaker 1: it's like not totally clear like if like, let's say 1024 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,839 Speaker 1: this doesn't happen, like would have would davidly Roth had 1025 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: have joined Van Halen, Like if they had like a 1026 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: smoother rollout at the v M. A's like, I'm not 1027 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 1: totally clear on that. I don't know if they just 1028 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,279 Speaker 1: did that for publicity or if this was something that 1029 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: kind of blew up because davidly Roth was like such 1030 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,240 Speaker 1: a jackass on this show. But soon after the awards, 1031 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 1: van Halen announces that their third lead singer is going 1032 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,319 Speaker 1: to be Gary sharone of the band Extreme and look. 1033 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: Moment of silence for Gary Sharon, by the way, who 1034 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,839 Speaker 1: by all accounts is like a really nice guy. Eddie 1035 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,879 Speaker 1: van Halen has talked about how like when they were 1036 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 1: writing songs together for the album that ended up being 1037 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,799 Speaker 1: Van Halen three, he was like, Oh, this guy's like 1038 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: my brother, Like I love this guy, Like he's such 1039 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,120 Speaker 1: a nice guy. But I think really like to no 1040 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: fault of his own, Like it's the height of hubris 1041 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,799 Speaker 1: to think that you could bring in a third guy 1042 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,280 Speaker 1: and the public is going to accept that. It's pretty 1043 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,680 Speaker 1: amazing that they were able to put Sammy Hagar in 1044 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,080 Speaker 1: and have so much success, But like pulling that again, Yeah, 1045 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,319 Speaker 1: you're putting in a third guy, you know. I think 1046 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,399 Speaker 1: Genesis tried that too, Like when Phil Collins left, they 1047 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,440 Speaker 1: put in a third guy. They made one record and 1048 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,240 Speaker 1: then they were done. You know, It's like you can't 1049 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,359 Speaker 1: do that three times. You can't pull the hat trick 1050 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 1: with three lead singers. So yeah, they put out Van 1051 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 1: Halen three, and of course that record flew into a 1052 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,319 Speaker 1: black hole, never to be heard from again. I don't 1053 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 1: know if I've ever actually heard that album from beginning 1054 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,719 Speaker 1: to end, Like, it doesn't really even register as like 1055 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,520 Speaker 1: a real Van Halen record. It just seems like something 1056 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,320 Speaker 1: that supposedly happened twenty two years ago. And then everyone 1057 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,799 Speaker 1: involved decided we're not gonna acknow, just ever again, walk 1058 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,279 Speaker 1: away and you know, just live our lives believing that 1059 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,360 Speaker 1: Van Halen three doesn't actually exist. I sat down and 1060 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 1: listened to it for for this show, and you know, 1061 00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 1: I always viewed it as sort of like Garrisharon, a 1062 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: sort of the rig Alais and b of Van Halen. 1063 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,279 Speaker 1: George Elizabi was the guy who played Bond once and 1064 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,320 Speaker 1: then never again, and everyone you know, ships on him. 1065 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,239 Speaker 1: But you actually sit down and watch that Bond movie 1066 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,280 Speaker 1: on Her Majesty's Secret Service. It's not bad van Halen three, 1067 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 1: not as bad as I expected, not as bad as 1068 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 1: its reputation makes it out to be. We're gonna play 1069 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,439 Speaker 1: it again, no, but uh, you know it's it's it's 1070 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,880 Speaker 1: better than I would have thought. Apparently, he claimed that 1071 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 1: he had been asked to join Van Helen before Dave 1072 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,480 Speaker 1: was back for the Nine Greatest Hits set, so I 1073 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,000 Speaker 1: guess that was something that was like pre arranged for. 1074 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: Dave is even in the picture too, which is which 1075 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,360 Speaker 1: is interesting that according to him at least, that they 1076 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't just go back with Dave full time. They already 1077 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,200 Speaker 1: were like, Okay, well we need a third guy. Absolutely, 1078 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,840 Speaker 1: we definitely can't have Dave back in full time. And 1079 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,840 Speaker 1: I know David Roth was really upset about that. He 1080 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,759 Speaker 1: felt like he was stabbed in the back. So you 1081 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 1: know Van Halen with Gary Sharon, Davidlye Roth is upset. 1082 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,239 Speaker 1: Sammy Hagar is also upset. And we'll get into that 1083 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: more next week, of course. So several years down the road, 1084 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,360 Speaker 1: these guys decide that they're going to do a tour together, 1085 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 1: and like, we don't have a ton of time to 1086 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,200 Speaker 1: get into that, but like it's so hilarious to me 1087 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: because I think they looked at it from very different perspectives. 1088 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: I think Sammy Hagar, who by all accounts is like 1089 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,760 Speaker 1: a very easy going guy, seems like people seems awesome. 1090 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,799 Speaker 1: Yeah they Yeah, he's you know, he's want of flip 1091 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,839 Speaker 1: flops and drinking tequila all day. You know, like how 1092 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,000 Speaker 1: can you get bad at Sammy Hagar? Whereas David le 1093 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,560 Speaker 1: Roth is more maybe like a standoff there's almost like 1094 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,640 Speaker 1: a loaner type like on this tour, I think Sammy 1095 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,120 Speaker 1: thought like, oh, we're gonna do duets together. We're gonna 1096 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,720 Speaker 1: like kind of meld these two eras of Van Halen 1097 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,440 Speaker 1: and people are gonna have a great time. And davidlye 1098 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,799 Speaker 1: Roth was like much more sort of stand offish and 1099 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,040 Speaker 1: like wouldn't even get on stage with Sammy Hagar. He 1100 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,480 Speaker 1: thought it was like a WWF fan. He thought that 1101 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,719 Speaker 1: they were competing with their sets as opposed to like, no, 1102 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,440 Speaker 1: we're doing a cod tour here, which yeah, and I 1103 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,719 Speaker 1: mean that whole tour. I mean, it's just hilarious to me. 1104 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,480 Speaker 1: Hagar even said it was purely just the quote was 1105 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,239 Speaker 1: it was just to piss off Eddie and Alex and 1106 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,279 Speaker 1: get the Van Halen fans worked up, I mean, which 1107 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,280 Speaker 1: is amazing makes it all so much better exactly. Although 1108 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,440 Speaker 1: like that, I think the tour did pretty well, like 1109 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,320 Speaker 1: they were playing like amphitheaters, and again, it just speaks 1110 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,879 Speaker 1: to like how desperate people were for Van Halen music 1111 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,160 Speaker 1: at this time, because really after Van Halen three, like 1112 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,160 Speaker 1: Eddie van Halen went into this like hibernation period where 1113 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,839 Speaker 1: based on like various accounts, like he was just like 1114 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,640 Speaker 1: taking like polls from like wine bottles all day for 1115 00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 1: like three or four years, like that was his life. 1116 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,839 Speaker 1: So this was sort of the best thing that fans had. 1117 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: Great for fans, not great for Sammy and Dave together. 1118 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,319 Speaker 1: Uh they ended up basically hating each other by the 1119 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,480 Speaker 1: end of the tour, and I think Sammy said something like, 1120 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:31,759 Speaker 1: you know, I don't like to really say that I 1121 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 1: ever regret anything, but came pretty damn close on that tour. 1122 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,360 Speaker 1: So uh so that was probably the end of the 1123 00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,920 Speaker 1: of a Sammy Dave tour that will ever have again. 1124 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 1: And you know, the the dysfunction and Vanhalen, it just continues, 1125 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,120 Speaker 1: like they had that reunion with Sammy Hagar in two 1126 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 1: thousand four that went off the rails, and you know, 1127 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,279 Speaker 1: we'll get into that more later on. And then they 1128 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,120 Speaker 1: end up getting adducted into the Rock and Hall of 1129 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 1: Fame in two thousand seven, normally a great honor for 1130 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,480 Speaker 1: a band, but it ends up really just shutting a 1131 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,000 Speaker 1: spotlight on how messed up things are in van Halen 1132 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,920 Speaker 1: at this point, right. I mean, it's sort of almost 1133 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,360 Speaker 1: expect nothing less from if Van Halen's been be inducted 1134 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:06,560 Speaker 1: in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, you kind 1135 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,840 Speaker 1: of expected to be a ship show. Eddie and Alex 1136 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,080 Speaker 1: don't come, they say in the beginning. I think Eddie 1137 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,440 Speaker 1: was going through treatment at that time for alcoholism, so 1138 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: I think that was the reason that they said they 1139 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,000 Speaker 1: weren't going to come. Uh, Dave was going to perform 1140 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: with the Big Velvet Revolver and they couldn't agree in 1141 00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,840 Speaker 1: a song choice, so he ended up walking like a 1142 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,319 Speaker 1: couple of days before. So the only two people who 1143 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,000 Speaker 1: actually were there to receive the induction from Van Halen, 1144 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 1: we're Sam Hagar and Michael Anthony. This is in two 1145 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,000 Speaker 1: thousand and seven at the time, when neither of them 1146 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,000 Speaker 1: were actually in the band at that time, which I 1147 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 1: just think it's very fitting. Yeah, you know Michael Anthony thing. 1148 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,879 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna talk more about Michael Anthony next week. 1149 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that is such a sad story to me 1150 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,320 Speaker 1: because we've really talked about Michael Anthony so far. Because 1151 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,640 Speaker 1: He's never had a fight with anybody. Like there's no 1152 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,040 Speaker 1: rivalry that Michael Anthony has ever been involved in, at 1153 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,319 Speaker 1: least where it was two sided. I mean, like as 1154 00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,160 Speaker 1: far as I could tell, Like the Van Halen brothers 1155 00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, they hate Michael Anthony or they came 1156 00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,160 Speaker 1: to hate him, and I don't understand why. He just 1157 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,800 Speaker 1: seems like the most easy going guy in the world. 1158 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,239 Speaker 1: You know, Sammy has his tequila, Michael Anthony has his 1159 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,560 Speaker 1: like whiskey and like hot sauce. You know, like that's 1160 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,520 Speaker 1: his big thing, you know, whiskey, hot sauce. Guy. How 1161 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,279 Speaker 1: can he mad at him? But when Manhalen to do 1162 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,440 Speaker 1: their reunion tour in two seven and they end up 1163 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,240 Speaker 1: bringing David ly Roth in the fold, Michael Anthony isn't 1164 00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,360 Speaker 1: there because Eddie wants to use his son Wolfgang to 1165 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,360 Speaker 1: play bass. And it's hilarious to me because Wolfgang is 1166 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: the one who had the idea to invite David Lee 1167 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,360 Speaker 1: Roth into the band, and like Eddie actually made Wolfgang 1168 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,920 Speaker 1: call him, which is like Wolfgang was he was like 1169 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,280 Speaker 1: maybe like thirteen fourteen years old at the time. Yeah, 1170 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,719 Speaker 1: he was a kid. He was so nervous that he 1171 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,880 Speaker 1: scripted out the call like beforehand, like he was asking 1172 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,040 Speaker 1: someone on a date or something like, Hi, Dave, my 1173 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,600 Speaker 1: name's Wolfgang by in Halen. I'm a new band bass 1174 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,160 Speaker 1: player in Van Halen. We've been jamming lately. We're wondering 1175 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,680 Speaker 1: if he wanted to come and then jam and maybe 1176 00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,839 Speaker 1: go on tour give me a call. Like it's like Eddie, 1177 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,319 Speaker 1: I don't know if he was just like sitting by 1178 00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,960 Speaker 1: the phone and like if you thought this was hilarious 1179 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,719 Speaker 1: or you just thought like I'm gonna throw my kid 1180 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,439 Speaker 1: in the deep end of the pool. But like David 1181 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,000 Speaker 1: Lee Roth, you know, maybe because he was tried by 1182 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,640 Speaker 1: Wolfgang or because he really had nothing else better to do, 1183 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,319 Speaker 1: he ends up accepting the invitation. They go on this 1184 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,360 Speaker 1: reunion tour. They put out a record, the first record 1185 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,960 Speaker 1: with David the Roth and Van Halen since uh, it's 1186 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,920 Speaker 1: called Different Kind of Truth That comes out in actually 1187 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,920 Speaker 1: like a pretty good record. There's a lot of songs 1188 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,399 Speaker 1: on there that I think derived from like that mid 1189 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,800 Speaker 1: seventies like songwriting batch that they did, like they produced 1190 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,319 Speaker 1: all these demos. A lot of the songs ended up 1191 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,399 Speaker 1: on the first fan Halen record. Some of the songs 1192 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,160 Speaker 1: ended up on like subsequent Van Halen records. I think 1193 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,319 Speaker 1: like that's on Top of the World, that's on Foreign 1194 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,360 Speaker 1: Lawful Cornel Knowledge. Uh, the Sammy Hagar record, Um, I 1195 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,520 Speaker 1: think that also derives from that time, or at least 1196 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,120 Speaker 1: it derives from like like the Roth there. But at 1197 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,360 Speaker 1: any rate, they reunite with David the Roth. But again, 1198 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,960 Speaker 1: like it's not like, oh, we're best pals with David 1199 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,480 Speaker 1: the Roth. It's just like it wasn't at the beginning 1200 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,560 Speaker 1: of the band. It's very much a marriage of convenience. 1201 00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,560 Speaker 1: They bring him back in because they know that's what 1202 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,920 Speaker 1: the fans want, and it works. Like they go on 1203 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 1: these multiple tours and they do extremely well with davidly Roth. Right, 1204 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,320 Speaker 1: they do one and Eddie gives an interview to Billboard 1205 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,560 Speaker 1: where he says, you know, Dave has no interest in 1206 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,680 Speaker 1: being my friend. Uh and and he teases him for 1207 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,200 Speaker 1: basically still acting like he's twenty year old davidly Roth, 1208 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,800 Speaker 1: coloring his hair and jumping around on stage. You know, 1209 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,480 Speaker 1: you're we're gonna sixties, act like you're sixty. Uh So, yeah, 1210 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 1: like you said, they were never really uh simpatico, but 1211 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,800 Speaker 1: but they had a last gig together. It was almost 1212 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,640 Speaker 1: five years, almost to the day before Eddie died. It 1213 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,080 Speaker 1: was a hometown gig and in Hollywood. They kind of 1214 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,040 Speaker 1: made amends on stage, which was sweet. I think Dave 1215 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,120 Speaker 1: had some nice things to say about him, the best 1216 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,040 Speaker 1: years of my life, the high points of my life. 1217 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,799 Speaker 1: We're all on stage with you. Uh So that was 1218 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,160 Speaker 1: a nice way for fans to sort of remember the 1219 00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,200 Speaker 1: two of them. Yeah, it's a nice moment. You you 1220 00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,840 Speaker 1: never know like how genuine those moments are. Uh you know, 1221 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,759 Speaker 1: is there some like sort of thereatricality going on with that? 1222 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,759 Speaker 1: I mean because again, like we're union tours, I don't 1223 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,000 Speaker 1: always have that little like okay, we're actually friends now, 1224 00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,719 Speaker 1: I think, especially in this case, like no one's going 1225 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,680 Speaker 1: to really believe. But again, yeah, that's okay. Again, did 1226 00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,399 Speaker 1: you see that to her at all? I never saw 1227 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,839 Speaker 1: them with David Lee Roth, No, I've heard good things. 1228 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,480 Speaker 1: I mean I heard it was like a pretty fun show. 1229 00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, like you said, they played that show in 1230 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,239 Speaker 1: October and ends up being the last show that they 1231 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,920 Speaker 1: played together. And four years later, David le Roth doesn't 1232 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,319 Speaker 1: interview where he basically says that Van Halen has done 1233 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,239 Speaker 1: and like they're never gonna tour again. I wondered to 1234 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,239 Speaker 1: what degree he knew about Eddie van Halen's illness, Like 1235 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,360 Speaker 1: if it was already clear that you know, Eddie was 1236 00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,239 Speaker 1: in a bad way and he wasn't probably gonna be 1237 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,279 Speaker 1: able to perform again. I'm guessing he said something about 1238 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,480 Speaker 1: how like Eddie's got his own story to tell, it's 1239 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,160 Speaker 1: not mine to tell it. So I'm guessing that there 1240 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,479 Speaker 1: that he must have known something there that he didn't 1241 00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,439 Speaker 1: really want to get into. That's my guests at least. 1242 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,760 Speaker 1: And then, of course Eddie van Halen he passed away 1243 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:58,319 Speaker 1: in October, and Dave's reaction is like low key but respectful. 1244 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,880 Speaker 1: You know, he posts some photos of them on his 1245 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,240 Speaker 1: social media account and he says, what a long, great 1246 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,600 Speaker 1: trip it's been, so not overly effusive, but you know, 1247 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,080 Speaker 1: he's not saying anything disrespectful at the end, at least, 1248 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,080 Speaker 1: it's not pretending either, you know, like it is what 1249 00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,560 Speaker 1: it is. That that's the perfect thing I think he 1250 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,080 Speaker 1: could he said at that moment, given that relationship, we're 1251 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:18,799 Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break to get a word from 1252 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:29,960 Speaker 1: our sponsor before we get to more rivals. All right, 1253 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,520 Speaker 1: we've now reached a part of the episode where we 1254 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,920 Speaker 1: talked about the pro side for each side of the rivalry. 1255 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,200 Speaker 1: Let's talk about David Lye Roth first. That look, Diamond Dave. 1256 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,440 Speaker 1: He's one of the most unique front men ever in 1257 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,360 Speaker 1: rock history. Like we said before, he's not really a singer. 1258 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,600 Speaker 1: He's like more of a personality. But like I think 1259 00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,080 Speaker 1: he's a lot smarter than he gets credit for. Like 1260 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,560 Speaker 1: I would liken him to someone like Freddie Mercury, who 1261 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,520 Speaker 1: also had this like sort of knowing, winking sense of 1262 00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,040 Speaker 1: his own ridiculousness. Like when you watch David the Roth 1263 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,319 Speaker 1: on stage, he always feels like he's in on his 1264 00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,160 Speaker 1: own choke, you know. Whereas Sam Hagar, which we'll get into, 1265 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,800 Speaker 1: I don't think ever had that, Like there's no irony 1266 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,040 Speaker 1: at all to Sammy Hagar. Uh. There's this great quote 1267 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,200 Speaker 1: that David Lee Roth has where he said I wanted 1268 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,359 Speaker 1: to be the art project, not just where one, you know, 1269 00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,120 Speaker 1: And I think there is sort of a performance artist 1270 00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:19,120 Speaker 1: aspect to his career that adds like a layer on 1271 00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,120 Speaker 1: top of just like the fun party band image. Um, 1272 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,320 Speaker 1: but yeah, his sense of humor combined with Eddie Van 1273 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,560 Speaker 1: Halen's peerless technique. It really was the magic combination of 1274 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,360 Speaker 1: this band. And I think it's like why people love 1275 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,120 Speaker 1: this line up so much. It just gave van Halen 1276 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,480 Speaker 1: that perfect combination of chops and fun that makes van 1277 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,760 Speaker 1: Halen van Halen. Yeah. I mean watching those videos for 1278 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,000 Speaker 1: like Panama Hapa Teacher Jump, I mean I get the 1279 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,640 Speaker 1: same feeling that I get when I watched like the 1280 00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,240 Speaker 1: scenes of like the Beatles running and Hard Days Night, 1281 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,560 Speaker 1: where it's just they look like they're having the of 1282 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,959 Speaker 1: their lives, like they can't believe this is happening. It's 1283 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,880 Speaker 1: it's you know, they're just so joyful and exuberant. But 1284 00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,200 Speaker 1: also the sense of inclusivity. It's like, yeah, come on, like, 1285 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,120 Speaker 1: come and join the fun. And that's and and Dave 1286 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,360 Speaker 1: really sums that up. I mean, I know that he 1287 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,480 Speaker 1: has this reputation I think Rolling Stone called at one 1288 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,080 Speaker 1: point like the most obnoxious singer in human history, and 1289 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,320 Speaker 1: achievement notable in the face of long tradition and heavy competition, 1290 00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,520 Speaker 1: But you're right, he just he puts the fun in 1291 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,200 Speaker 1: Van Halen. And and also to like, I thought that 1292 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,400 Speaker 1: him covering California Girls was a really interesting, uh choice 1293 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,320 Speaker 1: for him. Because I always saw him as sort of 1294 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,520 Speaker 1: like carrying on the California myth that the Beach Boys 1295 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,640 Speaker 1: kind of started this sort of like fun in the 1296 00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,000 Speaker 1: sun party thing. I always felt like he carried it 1297 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 1: through to the eighties, and I felt like by doing that, 1298 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,640 Speaker 1: he kind of like owned that mantle of like the 1299 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,440 Speaker 1: California party guy. And he's most of his lyrics. I 1300 00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,200 Speaker 1: think he was responsible for most of the lyrics in 1301 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:42,320 Speaker 1: the band. Um really, I think are it definitely something 1302 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,560 Speaker 1: that I think he was responsible for And uh, you 1303 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,360 Speaker 1: know that is it's the fun Like I said, it's 1304 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,600 Speaker 1: just really like that sensibility comes from him, I think. 1305 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,560 Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, no, he's one of those remarkable front men. Yeah. 1306 00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,520 Speaker 1: I mean your comparison to the Beach Boys, I think 1307 00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,240 Speaker 1: is very apt because I know, as someone myself growing 1308 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,200 Speaker 1: up in the Midwest, you listen to Van Halen and 1309 00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,000 Speaker 1: you're like, you feel so much fomo listening to that band, 1310 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,640 Speaker 1: Like why couldn't I have lived in southern California in 1311 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,880 Speaker 1: the late seventies and early eighties. It just seems like 1312 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,120 Speaker 1: such a fun place to be in. Like Van Halen's 1313 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,040 Speaker 1: music just personifies that. Going over the pro Eddie van 1314 00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,120 Speaker 1: Halen side. I mean, look, we're gonna have lots of 1315 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,160 Speaker 1: nice things to say about Eddie van Halen and both 1316 00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,200 Speaker 1: of these episodes, but in the context specifically of his 1317 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,960 Speaker 1: relationship with David the Roth, I think again, you have 1318 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,160 Speaker 1: to give him props for keeping his band together after 1319 00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,680 Speaker 1: Roth left, you know, Like I know that, like Eddie 1320 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,840 Speaker 1: Van Halen and Alex van Halen, they would both get 1321 00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,800 Speaker 1: annoyed when people would define the band by the lead singers, 1322 00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,560 Speaker 1: you know, and split it up into different eras, because 1323 00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,600 Speaker 1: as far as they were concerned, there was only one 1324 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,200 Speaker 1: van Halen, you know. And it is interesting if you 1325 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,040 Speaker 1: think about van Halen, I think, and I think this 1326 00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,800 Speaker 1: is the proper way to look at them as a 1327 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,440 Speaker 1: vehicle for Eddie van Halen, not for the lead singers. 1328 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,600 Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, people come and go, but it's 1329 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,920 Speaker 1: my music. I'm the one writing it. I'm the general 1330 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,960 Speaker 1: of this band. And the fact that he was able 1331 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,240 Speaker 1: to carry on with Sammy Hagar just totally reiterates that. 1332 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,560 Speaker 1: And look, we we've seen other examples of this in 1333 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,400 Speaker 1: rock history of bands losing an iconic frontman and still 1334 01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,000 Speaker 1: carrying on, but few have been as successful as Van Healen. 1335 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,320 Speaker 1: And as much as some people don't like the Van 1336 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,680 Speaker 1: Hagar era and we're gonna get into this next week, 1337 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,840 Speaker 1: that's still like a really popular era of the band. 1338 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,920 Speaker 1: And I think that there are some attributes of that 1339 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,160 Speaker 1: period that the Roth era doesn't have, even though I 1340 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,720 Speaker 1: think David the Roth is better overall. But again, it 1341 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,720 Speaker 1: must be reiterated that this was Eddie Van Healen's band, 1342 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,440 Speaker 1: and I think he proved it after Roth left. Oh yeah, 1343 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,120 Speaker 1: I mean a lesser creative force would have totally buckled 1344 01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:31,920 Speaker 1: after losing the guy who was you know, in all 1345 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,480 Speaker 1: practical senses his musical partners on stage and and in 1346 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,000 Speaker 1: some cases in a lesser extent in the studio. And 1347 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,560 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that I guess there was an 1348 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,320 Speaker 1: early period right after Dave left where I guess someone 1349 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,959 Speaker 1: of the label suggested maybe having like a revolving door 1350 01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:50,000 Speaker 1: of different vocalists, which is an insane idea and I'm 1351 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,640 Speaker 1: really glad they didn't do that, but I think that 1352 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,520 Speaker 1: speaks to the idea of no, this is a project 1353 01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,280 Speaker 1: based around Eddie's music and not through any you know, 1354 01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,720 Speaker 1: not through any charismatic frontman. And you know, in addition, 1355 01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:06,800 Speaker 1: to just genius genius level musicianship, incredible composer and arranger. 1356 01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,040 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he was the vision for that. So 1357 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,600 Speaker 1: if we look at these two guys together, I think 1358 01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,960 Speaker 1: we've already hit upon this. But this is the key 1359 01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,760 Speaker 1: partnership and maybe the greatest American hard rock band ever. 1360 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard for me to think of a 1361 01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,520 Speaker 1: better hard rock band from America than Van Halen. And 1362 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,920 Speaker 1: it's all due to the elements that both of these 1363 01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,280 Speaker 1: guys were able to bring to the table. David the 1364 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,400 Speaker 1: roth showmanship in sense of humor and Eddie Van Halen's 1365 01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,800 Speaker 1: ability to write great music in his incredible guitar playing. 1366 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,160 Speaker 1: I think it was too far in one direction. If 1367 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,800 Speaker 1: it was too sticky van Halen would have worked. If 1368 01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,160 Speaker 1: it was too like serious, sort of like a muso 1369 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,360 Speaker 1: type band, I don't think it would have worked either. 1370 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,760 Speaker 1: These two guys, even though they didn't like each other, 1371 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,200 Speaker 1: they were they had an incredible chemistry artistically. I mean, 1372 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,440 Speaker 1: you have the virtuoso and the entertainer and the rock 1373 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,640 Speaker 1: star on the rock musician. It wouldn't have been Van 1374 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,400 Speaker 1: Hallen without either one of them. Yes, well, actually it 1375 01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,600 Speaker 1: would be because we have another lead singer coming up 1376 01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,560 Speaker 1: next week name Sammy Hagar in a band called Van Hagar, 1377 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,720 Speaker 1: and I'm very excited to talk about that. But you know, 1378 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,840 Speaker 1: for now, I could say, if we look at the 1379 01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,160 Speaker 1: relationship between David the Roth and man Helen, you ain't 1380 01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:12,200 Speaker 1: talking about love in this dynamic. There it is, There 1381 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,400 Speaker 1: it is. I was waiting for my favorite part of 1382 01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,680 Speaker 1: the episode of Folks, Steven's incredible song Puns that I 1383 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,280 Speaker 1: choose to believe that you're coming up with them off 1384 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,240 Speaker 1: the dom right now pretty much? I mean, would you 1385 01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,600 Speaker 1: say that you jumped for joy when you heard that? 1386 01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,640 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, all right, I gotta quit wal on my head. 1387 01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,280 Speaker 1: Thank you all for listening to this episode of Rivals. 1388 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:30,960 Speaker 1: We will be back with more beefs and feuds and 1389 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:39,320 Speaker 1: long swimming resentments next week. Rivals is a production of 1390 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,000 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. The executive producers are Shawn Titone and 1391 01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,760 Speaker 1: Noel Brown. 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