WEBVTT - You Can See Everything 0:00:05.250 --> 0:00:08.110 Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stuff 0:00:08.130 --> 0:00:19.620 Never Told You, a production of iHeartRadio. And welcome to 0:00:19.700 --> 0:00:23.860 a very special, exciting episode where we are joined by 0:00:23.980 --> 0:00:28.139 our super producer, Rima. Welcome back, Rima. 0:00:28.620 --> 0:00:33.919 Hey, happy to be here. Yes, this is so exciting. 0:00:34.020 --> 0:00:34.480 This is fun. 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:40.699 So this kind of came, it wasn't planned. This is 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:45.970 not a planned episode originally. So originally it was going 0:00:45.979 --> 0:00:49.050 to be a happy hour about the new film. 0:00:49.770 --> 0:00:50.830 You can see everything. 0:00:51.270 --> 0:00:55.050 So there are going to be spoilers in here about 0:00:55.090 --> 0:00:57.630 that movie. And I really recommend if you want to 0:00:57.700 --> 0:01:01.160 see it, it's great to go in not knowing what's 0:01:01.180 --> 0:01:03.209 going to happen. At least for me. 0:01:03.630 --> 0:01:07.370 We'll get into Samantha's experience in a second. But at least. 0:01:07.209 --> 0:01:11.399 For me, who likes to be surprised and not know 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:15.980 where things are going, I really recommend that. But yes, 0:01:16.940 --> 0:01:21.310 I just had mentioned, you know, I kind of want 0:01:21.330 --> 0:01:24.090 to touch on some of the things in this movie. 0:01:24.209 --> 0:01:27.270 And you hopped in and were like, yes, let's do this. 0:01:28.340 --> 0:01:31.280 I literally, I saw this, just like, I just saw 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.890 on the document that has all our episodes, like, you 0:01:34.940 --> 0:01:37.890 can see everything. And I immediately sent an email and 0:01:37.930 --> 0:01:39.170 I was like, yes. 0:01:40.410 --> 0:01:44.810 And then I was like, yes, Rima should come on. 0:01:45.370 --> 0:01:48.680 And then Samantha was like, I guess I'll go see 0:01:48.700 --> 0:01:49.500 this movie. 0:01:49.620 --> 0:01:51.120 I guess I have to go watch this movie. 0:01:51.140 --> 0:01:53.500 Yeah, it unfolded into such a way that I'm like, 0:01:53.700 --> 0:01:57.830 I either have to bow out of the episode completely 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.650 or I have to go and watch it. And I 0:02:00.690 --> 0:02:03.130 did go and watch it. I will say again, as 0:02:03.210 --> 0:02:06.090 Annie said, you should go with it. Even with my 0:02:06.130 --> 0:02:08.769 anxiety level and as much as I love spoilers, I 0:02:08.810 --> 0:02:12.130 would say you need to stop listening to this right now. 0:02:12.150 --> 0:02:15.120 Because even if it's light spoilers, the light. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.630 Spoilers are too much. And you should go and watch 0:02:17.710 --> 0:02:19.250 it if you have any interest. For those of you 0:02:19.270 --> 0:02:22.390 who are not interested at all, sure. Because I had 0:02:22.410 --> 0:02:24.650 that small interest. This was going to be one of 0:02:24.710 --> 0:02:26.850 the ones that when it came in streaming, I would 0:02:26.889 --> 0:02:29.150 probably watch it wherever I could find it for free. 0:02:29.710 --> 0:02:31.790 But then as it kind of escalated, I was like, okay, 0:02:31.850 --> 0:02:35.630 I must go. And it's exactly how I felt that 0:02:35.669 --> 0:02:37.250 I would feel happened. 0:02:38.500 --> 0:02:40.320 Oh my God, I'm so excited to get into it. 0:02:40.380 --> 0:02:44.240 I haven't heard either Samantha or Annie's reactions yet. 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:45.360 Yeah, so. 0:02:46.260 --> 0:02:49.899 Let's talk about that. I think people probably are very 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.359 aware of what this movie is about, but it's a 0:02:52.520 --> 0:03:00.860 documentary following Elizabeth Holmes, of Theranos fame. It's in the 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:06.940 weeks leading up to her imprisonment. And then the second 0:03:06.990 --> 0:03:07.889 half is. 0:03:07.850 --> 0:03:10.350 Two years later. It felt very Avengers to me, like, oh, 0:03:10.450 --> 0:03:17.360 five years later. And examining... that. 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:20.299 It's kind of a hard thing to explain. And we're 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.239 going to talk about some of the reasons why that is. 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:26.460 It is helmed by Nathan Fielder and Lance Oppenheim. And 0:03:27.700 --> 0:03:29.580 I was in the camp that was like, I'm going 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:33.370 that weekend when it comes out to the point that 0:03:33.500 --> 0:03:38.120 I had two friends visiting me that weekend. And I, 0:03:39.270 --> 0:03:44.840 in the kindest way possible, was basically like, can we 0:03:44.860 --> 0:03:49.980 go see this three-hour documentary in this brief window of time. 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.260 That we have together? Understandable. 0:03:52.820 --> 0:03:56.120 Yeah, I just, I really, really, really wanted to see it. 0:03:57.140 --> 0:04:01.200 And I was fascinated, like some of the reviews coming 0:04:01.260 --> 0:04:03.820 out about it and some of the conversation coming out 0:04:03.860 --> 0:04:08.560 about it just really hooked me. And so I convinced 0:04:09.500 --> 0:04:12.130 one of them to see it. The other one came 0:04:12.210 --> 0:04:17.540 the second time. We went, which was last night. But 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:21.600 they had a lot of hesitation about the awkwardness, which 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.500 we're going to talk about with Samantha. But I was 0:04:23.540 --> 0:04:27.430 very excited about this whole thing, and I enjoyed the experience. 0:04:28.140 --> 0:04:32.630 So you were a fan of Nathan Fielder before seeing this? 0:04:35.350 --> 0:04:38.390 I was not super familiar with his work. I know 0:04:39.390 --> 0:04:44.000 generally what his whole thing is. And I knew I 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.560 had watched the Hulu show, which we're going to talk about. 0:04:47.580 --> 0:04:52.990 I think I was just more interested with how strange 0:04:53.070 --> 0:04:57.469 it seemed. Like something was captured on film that can't 0:04:57.529 --> 0:04:58.710 be explained. 0:04:59.089 --> 0:04:59.429 Yes. 0:05:00.029 --> 0:05:03.910 I think that's what really brought me in. I was more. 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.400 And I wasn't intrigued by the idea that he, Nathan Fielder, 0:05:08.460 --> 0:05:14.220 had met someone who he could not crack down. so 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.229 i i thought like that was like a two people 0:05:17.290 --> 0:05:21.170 coming together like he'd finally met his match or something. 0:05:20.790 --> 0:05:24.929 An immovable object in an unstoppable force. 0:05:25.430 --> 0:05:31.890 Yes exactly exactly um so what about. 0:05:31.630 --> 0:05:33.240 You rima and then we'll get. 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:37.640 To you yes i am a fan Nathan Fielder. So 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.500 I've been checked in for a little for a while. 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:44.230 I watched Nathan for you. I watched the rehearsal. I 0:05:45.050 --> 0:05:48.390 have not seen The Curse, which is the Emma Stone, 0:05:49.350 --> 0:05:51.450 Nathan Fielder show. I haven't seen that, but I will. 0:05:52.089 --> 0:05:54.210 So when this came out, and also I know of 0:05:54.290 --> 0:05:57.740 Lance Oppenheim, the Not super well, honestly, but I knew 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.080 of him. So when this came out, I was like, 0:06:00.140 --> 0:06:02.550 same boat. I was like, we need to go see 0:06:02.570 --> 0:06:06.710 this immediately because I will not be spoiled anything. 0:06:07.450 --> 0:06:08.450 I would be so mad. 0:06:08.470 --> 0:06:11.890 And I'm so glad that that happened because there were 0:06:11.910 --> 0:06:14.110 so many things that if that was spoiled to me, 0:06:14.130 --> 0:06:19.700 I would be mad. So yeah, I was excited for 0:06:19.820 --> 0:06:22.360 it and I've seen it twice now. 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.820 In a week, I guess. The week it's come out. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.460 So it's only been out for a week? I haven't 0:06:29.500 --> 0:06:30.599 just checked out, I'm not. 0:06:30.500 --> 0:06:33.180 Going to lie. It came out the 17th, 18th? 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:37.560 Yeah, like 10 days ago, as of today's recording. 0:06:37.580 --> 0:06:38.580 Okay. 0:06:39.390 --> 0:06:39.789 Yes. 0:06:40.750 --> 0:06:46.550 Well, Samantha has a different experience and also something that 0:06:46.610 --> 0:06:49.409 I found kind of humorous, but also I feel bad about. 0:06:49.430 --> 0:06:50.410 Yeah. 0:06:51.170 --> 0:06:51.670 Oh, my gosh. 0:06:51.750 --> 0:06:52.410 Okay. 0:06:52.589 --> 0:06:55.300 That caveat. Wow. Yeah. 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:56.760 Oh, no. 0:06:56.860 --> 0:06:58.120 I hope you'll share. 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.580 Well, I mean, our listeners know very much. I cannot 0:07:04.620 --> 0:07:06.220 stand cringe. 0:07:06.860 --> 0:07:09.230 Oh, no. It hurts me. It hurts me. 0:07:09.290 --> 0:07:12.630 Secondhand embarrassment, like, kills me to the point that I 0:07:12.690 --> 0:07:15.860 know exactly who Nathan Fielder is. My partner who loves 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.180 all of this and then finds it even like even 0:07:18.260 --> 0:07:20.900 the Jon Stewart Daily Show level of cringe of like 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:25.180 them going to obviously not antagonize, but like talk to 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.380 people who they know are going to say something real 0:07:27.420 --> 0:07:29.880 out of pocket. But they love to thrive. And like, 0:07:30.340 --> 0:07:32.320 but it makes me cringe so badly that I'm like, 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:33.080 I can't. 0:07:33.100 --> 0:07:33.600 It hurts me. 0:07:34.140 --> 0:07:38.400 So I did try to watch because he loves Nathan 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.130 for you so much. And the first 15 minutes, I 0:07:41.150 --> 0:07:42.730 don't even know which episode it was. I was like, no, 0:07:42.950 --> 0:07:43.390 turn it off. 0:07:43.570 --> 0:07:43.830 Turn it off. 0:07:43.850 --> 0:07:44.790 I can't. I can't. 0:07:44.850 --> 0:07:45.030 Nope. 0:07:45.490 --> 0:07:45.710 Nope. 0:07:46.050 --> 0:07:49.210 So like I have avoided Nathan Fielder like the plague. 0:07:49.330 --> 0:07:52.500 Like he is, if there's an opposite, if there's an 0:07:52.580 --> 0:07:54.240 arch enemy, he is my arch enemy. 0:07:54.380 --> 0:07:57.660 Like in like the most, yeah, ridiculous. 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:01.880 Like the entire time we were watching this movie, my 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.330 expression of like just every time he would do something 0:08:04.350 --> 0:08:06.170 where I just watch him like, why is he doing this? 0:08:06.510 --> 0:08:09.070 I hate him so much. Like that was my reaction. 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:11.360 It was fun for me because I was sitting in 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:15.570 between my two friends, Samantha and Katie, who were both like, 0:08:15.610 --> 0:08:16.270 this is too awkward. 0:08:16.290 --> 0:08:16.890 I can't see it. 0:08:16.950 --> 0:08:18.950 And I would just look over at both of them 0:08:19.350 --> 0:08:21.150 and they'd be cringing into their seats. 0:08:21.330 --> 0:08:23.670 Oh my gosh. It was great. 0:08:23.690 --> 0:08:26.910 So I had, I always take like a cardigan or 0:08:26.930 --> 0:08:28.290 some kind of sweater or jacket so that I can 0:08:28.310 --> 0:08:29.090 like cover myself. 0:08:29.170 --> 0:08:30.870 I don't know why. I just need to because like 0:08:30.970 --> 0:08:31.850 I need to be able to hide. 0:08:31.870 --> 0:08:38.640 And I definitely was hiding in my cardigan going, no, why? Wow. 0:08:39.380 --> 0:08:40.900 To the point that it was quite funny when we 0:08:40.940 --> 0:08:43.460 got home, my partner was looking at his watch and 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:44.640 he was showing me that he had a little bit 0:08:44.660 --> 0:08:46.830 of stress. Like, you know, we have the smart watches 0:08:47.230 --> 0:08:48.890 and I looked to see what mine was. And the 0:08:48.970 --> 0:08:52.650 spike during the movie of my stress level, I had 0:08:52.670 --> 0:08:55.170 to take a screenshot because it was so ridiculous that 0:08:55.190 --> 0:08:57.490 it was, I didn't realize it was measuring me that much. 0:08:58.190 --> 0:09:00.890 And to the point that when I'm on the drive home, 0:09:00.950 --> 0:09:03.510 I was driving home, you know, that moment, like we 0:09:03.550 --> 0:09:06.020 just had this when something's about to happen or something, 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.760 you know, you're nervous about something or you're waiting on something. 0:09:09.330 --> 0:09:14.059 That anxiety was within me the entire time last night 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.679 that I had to go take my, like, anti-anxiety because 0:09:16.700 --> 0:09:18.940 I was like, Oh, no. I'm not going to be 0:09:18.980 --> 0:09:22.000 able to, like, get off of this track of, like, 0:09:22.090 --> 0:09:24.770 something about to happen to me. You know, that, like, 0:09:25.010 --> 0:09:29.890 nervousness of expectation because of this movie. And don't get 0:09:29.929 --> 0:09:33.160 me wrong. I still enjoyed it. Will I ever watch 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:34.540 it again? Hell no. 0:09:34.940 --> 0:09:35.890 Will I talk about it? 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:36.160 Sure. 0:09:36.620 --> 0:09:38.730 Am I getting a little anxious as we speak about 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:40.290 it right now? Yes. 0:09:41.050 --> 0:09:43.370 I didn't realize we were putting you through the wringer, 0:09:43.490 --> 0:09:44.590 getting you to watch this. 0:09:44.610 --> 0:09:47.110 I was just like, oh, this is going to be 0:09:47.210 --> 0:09:49.350 so fun for everyone involved. 0:09:50.630 --> 0:09:51.410 This is the thing. 0:09:51.530 --> 0:09:55.090 Of course, obviously, in all of the world and all 0:09:55.150 --> 0:09:58.089 its problems, this is just a me thing. This is 0:09:58.410 --> 0:10:01.490 specifically like there. are several people who talk about this, like, 0:10:01.770 --> 0:10:05.090 that cringe. Like, I'm that person who couldn't watch The 0:10:05.210 --> 0:10:08.410 Office until it came out on streaming, and I have 0:10:08.429 --> 0:10:10.650 to get spoilers so I can figure out when to skip. 0:10:12.270 --> 0:10:13.150 The Office? 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.760 The Office, the comedy, yeah. Because, like, think about Scott's Tots, right? 0:10:18.260 --> 0:10:20.439 That was hard to watch. Right. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.500 Stuff like that, where he does those moments that you're 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:28.980 just like, I can't do this. So this is absolutely, 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:33.160 it's not my worst nightmare, but it's definitely like that 0:10:33.230 --> 0:10:36.429 haunted house feeling of like running away from something in 0:10:37.110 --> 0:10:38.569 absolute absolute fear. 0:10:38.809 --> 0:10:41.550 So this is that level for me. 0:10:41.670 --> 0:10:44.630 Nathan Fielder being Samantha's biggest op. 0:10:45.390 --> 0:10:48.330 It's really funny to me. At this point, yes. 0:10:48.410 --> 0:10:51.689 I feel like he's personally trying to attack me by 0:10:51.750 --> 0:10:56.620 doing this. The shots, the close-ups, the silence, the way 0:10:56.650 --> 0:10:58.140 that he was trying to pretend like he was flirting, 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.660 but also pretending like the awkwardness at putting in, the 0:11:01.700 --> 0:11:04.340 heightened awkwardness because he knows that the audience is going 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.760 to react this way. It feels like a personal attack, yes. 0:11:08.170 --> 0:11:10.800 And I will even say that in this movie, I 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.120 think he was on his best behavior. 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:14.990 Like, I think from all of the. 0:11:15.100 --> 0:11:16.960 And maybe that's why I was like, okay with it. 0:11:17.140 --> 0:11:19.660 Yeah, like, all of the content I've watched from him, 0:11:19.940 --> 0:11:23.780 this seemed to me like the least of him being 0:11:23.900 --> 0:11:25.000 in his character. 0:11:25.020 --> 0:11:26.179 Right. 0:11:26.300 --> 0:11:28.729 And maybe closer to just how he is. Obviously, there 0:11:28.750 --> 0:11:30.660 was a lot of, like, moments that I think he's 0:11:31.090 --> 0:11:34.770 still doing it. But, like, he was the most normal 0:11:34.870 --> 0:11:35.890 he's been, I feel like. 0:11:37.130 --> 0:11:39.810 I mean, when he actually gets a little emotional or 0:11:39.850 --> 0:11:44.840 tries to rile some emotion out of Elizabeth, I feel 0:11:44.900 --> 0:11:48.740 like that was not necessarily him being himself, but it's 0:11:48.780 --> 0:11:50.960 taking him out of the character that we know. So 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.400 it made him a little more human to me and not, again, 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.559 my enemy. But the shots of him being in the window, 0:11:58.660 --> 0:12:00.280 just staring in, I was like, you son of a bitch. 0:12:03.700 --> 0:12:06.210 And I know Oppenheim is also the director and he 0:12:06.250 --> 0:12:10.229 does this, but the intense close-ups, the way it kind 0:12:10.530 --> 0:12:15.449 of just micro-stepped forward, like the micro-movements of him getting in, 0:12:15.510 --> 0:12:19.850 I'm like, I really hate you. This is also one 0:12:19.870 --> 0:12:21.890 of those movies, and this is why going to the 0:12:21.910 --> 0:12:25.300 theater is different, because I like to be distracted on something, 0:12:25.340 --> 0:12:26.860 so if I need to ignore it, I can. I 0:12:26.900 --> 0:12:28.770 have my phone. But this is also one of those 0:12:28.790 --> 0:12:30.530 that I couldn't do that, obviously, at the theater. So 0:12:30.550 --> 0:12:32.470 I'm like, huh, huh. 0:12:32.910 --> 0:12:35.500 Like I did. I started talking out loud because I 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:36.420 was uncomfortable. 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.079 This is exposure therapy. 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.120 It really was. And in like in such a way. 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:46.540 But but again, like this is something that I think 0:12:46.780 --> 0:12:48.130 is a good discussion in general. 0:12:48.190 --> 0:12:51.750 But I was like, why? But I can't not. There 0:12:51.790 --> 0:12:53.830 has to be a way for me to work this out. 0:12:53.850 --> 0:12:59.819 It was shot extremely uncomfortably. It's very claustrophobic, very tight. 0:13:00.340 --> 0:13:03.339 Whenever the camera is kind of panned to having more 0:13:03.380 --> 0:13:06.200 than one person on the screen, it's kind. 0:13:06.059 --> 0:13:07.640 Of like a sigh of relief. 0:13:07.660 --> 0:13:08.340 Right, exactly. 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:09.460 You're like, finally. 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:15.320 But it also captures all of these micro-expressions. It really 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:19.699 can get people to just like... try to decipher these 0:13:19.780 --> 0:13:21.820 people that are so undecipherable. 0:13:22.179 --> 0:13:22.520 Right. 0:13:22.580 --> 0:13:23.480 Yeah, it's tough. 0:13:24.100 --> 0:13:28.050 It's a thing. But I survived it. It did. 0:13:28.090 --> 0:13:30.370 Like, there was, again, this is also one of those 0:13:30.429 --> 0:13:35.230 that I knew the more spoilers would be worse. I 0:13:35.370 --> 0:13:38.210 did want to be able to see what was unexpected, 0:13:38.230 --> 0:13:43.400 to have that initial reaction, because that's, like, everyone's conversation. 0:13:43.700 --> 0:13:46.180 And sometimes you're like, okay, yeah, this is, because it's 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:47.960 a documentary. How else are you, you know, like, you 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:52.240 don't expect twists and turns. Again, Nathan Fielder is in 0:13:52.300 --> 0:13:55.340 his own, like, realm, in his own world. So, like, 0:13:55.960 --> 0:14:00.280 obviously he's going to try it. But as expectations, because 0:14:00.420 --> 0:14:02.360 as I'm reading, like, oh, he had a kill switch 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:04.940 for the documentary if he couldn't get exactly how he 0:14:04.980 --> 0:14:08.850 wanted it to be and we know again as little 0:14:08.910 --> 0:14:10.530 as I might know of him I know him well 0:14:10.630 --> 0:14:12.530 enough to know that he needs to be able to 0:14:12.570 --> 0:14:15.630 flip it somehow to something unexpected. 0:14:16.550 --> 0:14:17.510 And boy did he. 0:14:21.070 --> 0:14:26.410 I kept saying this is a wild film like and 0:14:26.450 --> 0:14:29.690 it's a documentary but it has all these twists and 0:14:29.750 --> 0:14:35.270 turns you're not expecting the second half I just can't 0:14:36.030 --> 0:14:37.930 How could I anticipate this? 0:14:38.390 --> 0:14:41.610 When she went to prison, I was like, has it 0:14:41.650 --> 0:14:44.070 been three hours? I knew the runtime. I was like, 0:14:44.130 --> 0:14:47.640 how is this going to keep going? And little did 0:14:47.700 --> 0:14:48.100 I know. 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.760 That it actually does keep going. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:56.080 I knew that Amanda Seyfried was in it. I had 0:14:56.500 --> 0:14:58.460 no idea the. 0:14:58.460 --> 0:15:00.060 Big role she was going to play. I thought she 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:01.080 was just going to be a cameo. 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:05.180 I didn't know it was going to be like, her 0:15:05.350 --> 0:15:07.570 reprising that role again. 0:15:07.590 --> 0:15:10.310 I had no idea she was in it. 0:15:10.310 --> 0:15:11.650 Oh my gosh. 0:15:12.450 --> 0:15:18.070 So for listeners who don't know, Amanda Seyfried played Elizabeth 0:15:18.110 --> 0:15:24.350 Holmes in the Hulu show, The Dropout, about Elizabeth Holmes 0:15:24.470 --> 0:15:28.730 and Theranos and all of the things that happened there, 0:15:29.250 --> 0:15:34.400 which does become a point in this movie about how 0:15:34.500 --> 0:15:40.240 fictionalized it was or wasn't, but also she becomes a 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:46.730 part of reenacting, coming back into this role as Elizabeth 0:15:46.750 --> 0:15:52.430 Holmes when Elizabeth Holmes is in jail, which is probably 0:15:52.450 --> 0:15:57.470 one of the biggest shocks to me, but also a 0:15:57.490 --> 0:16:04.180 really fascinating thing of her perspective on and how it's colored. 0:16:03.900 --> 0:16:09.940 By Nathan Fielder's perspective on what he said to Elizabeth Holmes. 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.260 So at this point, for the listeners, do you want 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:24.859 to break it down or how do you want to 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.410 go about this? Because obviously we just said one of 0:16:27.420 --> 0:16:31.290 the biggest surprises in this movie, which is Amanda Seyfried, who. 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.350 I also had seen an interview because now she's on 0:16:35.370 --> 0:16:38.010 the red carpet for other things. And they asked her, 0:16:38.090 --> 0:16:39.700 they're like, so we're not going to talk about it, 0:16:39.790 --> 0:16:44.070 but the new documentary. And she was like, uh-huh. And 0:16:44.090 --> 0:16:46.530 that's all they say. That's kind of the end of it. 0:16:46.690 --> 0:16:50.080 But yeah, it was unexpected. Again, because the way they 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.620 make it seem, which I'm really glad since we know, 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.760 is that it's just a pop-up cameo. 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:57.820 Not realizing what it was becoming. 0:16:57.840 --> 0:16:57.910 Yes. 0:16:58.760 --> 0:16:59.080 Yes. 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.300 So have either of you seen the dropout, the show? 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:04.220 No. 0:17:05.020 --> 0:17:07.280 No, actually. I have. 0:17:07.540 --> 0:17:09.000 It's been a long time, but we're going to talk 0:17:09.020 --> 0:17:12.720 about it a little bit. I wanted to discuss kind 0:17:12.770 --> 0:17:17.870 of a two or maybe the larger part issue, but 0:17:18.109 --> 0:17:20.850 like a question of the role of the Watcher, which 0:17:20.910 --> 0:17:23.430 I feel like this movie has of, you know, what 0:17:24.550 --> 0:17:26.990 as the documentarian is your role? 0:17:27.030 --> 0:17:27.770 When do you step in? 0:17:27.850 --> 0:17:28.189 When does. 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:37.170 Your relationship with the person you're covering, impact what gets shown. 0:17:37.950 --> 0:17:42.290 But also with the dropout and Amanda Savory, she has 0:17:42.330 --> 0:17:44.450 this point that it's fictional, it's fictional, it's fictional, and 0:17:44.470 --> 0:17:46.419 she kind of gets prickly about it at one point. 0:17:47.020 --> 0:17:51.200 And so what's the responsibility there of a fictional show 0:17:51.220 --> 0:17:56.080 that has had... I went into this movie thinking I 0:17:56.280 --> 0:18:00.250 kind of understood the story based on that show. And 0:18:00.290 --> 0:18:03.909 I left thinking, I don't know. 0:18:05.490 --> 0:18:08.490 So any thoughts on that? 0:18:09.230 --> 0:18:11.209 I mean, this is where we have to talk about 0:18:11.369 --> 0:18:15.149 true crime stories, in essence, in that understanding. When we 0:18:15.170 --> 0:18:21.140 dramatize something for entertainment, it's actually based on real people. 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:25.140 People have been affected. It's not just a what-if scenario. 0:18:25.420 --> 0:18:28.320 It was in my imagination. And so there's a responsibility 0:18:28.380 --> 0:18:31.409 in how it's told. And it does come to the 0:18:31.450 --> 0:18:34.070 larger conversation about like it affects people. 0:18:34.550 --> 0:18:38.430 This lie does like really taint a view. 0:18:38.450 --> 0:18:40.830 It's kind of that whole thing, a narrative when we 0:18:40.869 --> 0:18:44.560 talk about with trials, when we have TikTok detectives or 0:18:44.630 --> 0:18:48.500 social media detectives who come through and think they're investigating, 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:50.240 but they're doing it based on an idea. 0:18:50.340 --> 0:18:52.220 Maybe that is portrayed or based on a lie. 0:18:53.220 --> 0:18:56.750 Same thing here. and then making the situation either worse 0:18:57.050 --> 0:19:00.050 or better. Like, you know, that's kind of that whole 0:19:00.070 --> 0:19:02.410 thing with the women who have been, who are suing 0:19:02.430 --> 0:19:06.320 the lawyer. The whole smear campaign is this perspective. So, 0:19:06.619 --> 0:19:10.119 or this ideal, and if they just have enough of 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:14.379 an influence out there, it changes some outcomes. And it's 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.129 kind of like what we see with the dropout, what 0:19:17.190 --> 0:19:19.730 both Amanda and Elizabeth both have to say, and that 0:19:19.770 --> 0:19:22.919 Amanda's like, I play the character. I played a character 0:19:23.260 --> 0:19:25.659 that was given to me in a script based on 0:19:25.810 --> 0:19:31.910 someone's assumptions and ideas, loosely based ideas, which is why 0:19:31.950 --> 0:19:35.430 we have to have loosely based on these characters. We 0:19:35.470 --> 0:19:37.709 have to have those because people got sued. People got 0:19:37.730 --> 0:19:40.490 really upset when they didn't do that. When we had 0:19:40.530 --> 0:19:43.500 a whole lifetime who did a whole network based on 0:19:43.540 --> 0:19:47.359 true crime and sensationalizing a lot of things. And then 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:52.500 we do have someone, Elizabeth, who, again, I've not seen 0:19:52.540 --> 0:19:56.440 much of the dropout. I just know tidbits about her life. 0:19:56.740 --> 0:20:01.780 And she is painted as a villain, just in narrative form. 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:05.330 And it could have been partially due to the Hulu series, 0:20:05.369 --> 0:20:05.920 the dropout. 0:20:06.550 --> 0:20:08.950 Yes, I'm glad you put it that way. I think 0:20:09.010 --> 0:20:13.510 one of the reasons, I've been wondering why this movie 0:20:13.530 --> 0:20:14.950 has caused so much conversation. 0:20:14.970 --> 0:20:18.330 And I think one of the reasons is that. 0:20:19.430 --> 0:20:21.620 A lot of people like me went in thinking you're 0:20:21.630 --> 0:20:23.979 going to get this one, you're going to get the 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:27.880 story of her, the villain. But then it becomes like 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:36.159 almost sympathetic to her. And I think it's interesting that 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:39.959 you see Nathan Fielder go through a shift in what 0:20:41.180 --> 0:20:44.220 I perceive as a shift in his perspective. And then 0:20:44.260 --> 0:20:46.800 the audience kind of similarly going through that. 0:20:46.859 --> 0:20:49.600 And then at the end, I. 0:20:49.820 --> 0:20:54.520 Was left with, okay, has she manipulated me, the audience member? 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:56.879 Like, has.... 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:04.280 What from this is true from this documentary versus what 0:21:04.300 --> 0:21:05.140 I've already seen and. 0:21:05.100 --> 0:21:05.540 Heard, it. 0:21:07.420 --> 0:21:10.840 Just feels like a real... Like I came out of 0:21:10.900 --> 0:21:14.500 hypnosis or something. I don't know what to make of this. 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:15.710 I don't know what to make of it. 0:21:16.660 --> 0:21:17.460 I agree. 0:21:17.700 --> 0:21:22.550 And it's really interesting because obviously I think that this 0:21:22.660 --> 0:21:30.149 story is a bit twofold of like she and she's 0:21:30.190 --> 0:21:33.590 literally guilty of this defrauded people. 0:21:34.470 --> 0:21:37.520 I don't really care. About people defrauding investors. 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:39.940 I said the exact same thing. I said the exact 0:21:40.020 --> 0:21:40.440