WEBVTT - 9/19/25: Trump CHEERS Kimmel Shutdown, Late Night RESPONDS 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.599 Hey, guys, Saga and Crystal here. 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:05.240 Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:07.840 and we are so excited about what that means for 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:08.720 the future of the show. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:10.760 This is the only place where you can find honest 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.280 perspectives from the left and the right that simply does 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:14.640 not exist anywhere else. 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.080 So if that is something that's important to you, please 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.599 go to Breakingpoints dot com. 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We're 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:55.640 hair makeup ready. 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:59.080 That's yes, Yes, a Western bill bumber. 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:03.720 We're gonna call him down. And and how we objectify 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.800 our nation's assassins. 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:07.399 And Ryan combed his hair. 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.640 I did he found it looking good? 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:12.240 Looking good, guys. 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:15.880 There was a bunch of reaction last night on the 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:20.640 late night shows to the firing of our indefinite suspension 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.000 of Jimmy Kimmel. I guess it's not clear that he's 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.760 canceled for good, so wanted to get into some of that. 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:27.960 We got some new Trump comments, We've got updates with 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.760 regard to Israel Netanyahu directly denying that he had anything 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:35.839 to do with Charlie Kirk's death, and some new information 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.760 brought to light by Candae Owens. A new picture that 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:44.560 she released that is allegedly of Tyler Robinson hours after 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:46.760 the killing accur and he's still sort of like hanging 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:48.800 around in the area at a dairy queen. I don't know, 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:50.880 we'll probably get to that in the premium section. 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.120 Yeah, really interesting, obviously, really interesting story. 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:59.800 Yeah for sure, And shows him wearing like a combination 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.920 of the outfits that he'd wear worn previously in the 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.640 photos that we've seen, and it's just yeah, I mean 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.280 whether or not the photo is real or not, I 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.080 think is a question in of itself. 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:12.600 Some people speculate it could be AI. 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:14.760 We don't have timestamp all of those sorts of things, 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.160 but anyway, we'll bring you all of the latest with 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:18.480 regard to that investigation. 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:23.280 Yep, another fast food killer, apparently just like Luigi with 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:27.240 the McDonald's. So let's start with Trump's comments here about 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:27.959 Jimmy Kimmel. 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:29.360 Why don't we you'll? 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:34.720 Vice President Vance said the pre speech is under attack 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.720 in the UK. Do you agree with him? And Prime 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:42.160 Minister we saw dismissal of a very well known chat 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:45.920 show hosting America last night. Mister Kimmel, is pre speech 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.400 more under attack in Britain or America. 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:50.800 Well, Jimmy Kimmel was right because he had bad ratings 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:52.919 more than anything else, and he said a horrible thing 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.200 about a great gentleman known as Charlie Kirk. And Jimmy 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.680 Kimmel is not a talented person. He had very bad ratings. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.400 Have fired him a long time ago. So you know, 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:04.760 you can call that free speech or not. He was 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:06.000 fired for lack of talent. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.760 Yeah, we haven't gotten you guys, take at least on 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:16.919 the air with regard to the indefinite suspension of Kimmel. So, Emily, 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.200 what did you make of all of these developments before 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:20.839 we get to the president specific comments there. 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:25.040 You know, I probably am in the position of like 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:29.440 disagreeing with I'll probably be the one like odd man 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:35.440 out throughout this conversation because I think with Kimmel the 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.720 timing is is obviously an appearance of conflict of interest, 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:41.920 and an appearance of conflict of interest is a conflict 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:42.480 of interest. 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.040 But also my position is that the FCC. 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.720 Either should not exist or this particular power of the 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.080 FCC certainly should not exist. Actually asked Brendan Carr about 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.600 that a couple of months ago, about whether the law 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.920 itself actually needed to be changed, and he said at 0:03:57.920 --> 0:03:59.920 the time, actually, that's probably a conversation that needs to 0:03:59.920 --> 0:04:03.960 be entertained whether the FCC should have any jurisdiction to 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.280 determine what quote public interest is. Because as long as 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:12.440 that exists, if you're a Trump Republican and you see 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:16.360 the FCC with this power, and you see corporate media 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.920 going against you for so long, you're going against it 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.840 being like fairly obviously biased in one direction for so long, 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.160 then the tool gets more and more attempting to use. 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.200 And the last thing on that point that I'll say 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:32.120 is I would not have a problem with the Democratic 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:36.799 FCC commissioner. If you see NBC News or wherever lying 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.640 our way into another Iraq war, saying we could do 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:42.599 this the easy way or the hard way. This is 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.120 not in the public interest that you are making up 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:48.719 intelligence whatever. I would never support them yanking a broadcast license. 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.960 I don't think the job owning is that like significant. 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:58.920 I do think that the merger question is absolutely significant. 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:02.440 The next our merger question is absolutely significant. But my 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.880 basic point on this is that I think the corporations 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:14.520 are opportunistically, opportunistically taking these these dust ups as they're 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:18.720 like their opportunities. The market was catching up with Kimmel, 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:20.599 the market was catching up with Colbert. He wasn't turning 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.360 Colbert wasn't turning a profit. I would be shocked if 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:25.920 Kimmel wasn't losing a decent amount of money. And when 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.520 these things come up, it becomes an opportunity for the 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:33.360 networks to be like, Hey, we're doing you a favor Trump, 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.400 look what we're doing here. So that's that's kind of 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.039 my take overall, but I'm sure we'll have other disagreements. 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:43.839 What do you think, Ryan, I disagree basically all of 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.120 that I don't think we can. I don't think we 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.320 have any way of knowing whether or not Colbert or 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.599 any of these people are profitable. You see this claim 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:57.400 made that they're profitable or unprofitable. The way the broadcast 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.360 networks work is not that you they make a certain 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:03.000 amount of candy and it caused this much to make 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:04.640 the candy, and then they sell the candy for a 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:06.960 higher price and then they have a margin there. It's like, 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.080 it's not like there's so much more to that and 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.960 it and they're they're part of a giant brand and 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.680 which involves their connection to their bigger conglomerates and the 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.040 and the cable revenue that they get in the broadcast 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.880 revenue through the ads that they get and if they 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.320 have even just five hundred thousand people who you know, 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:28.120 are huge fans of Kimmel, like that can actually make 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.760 it worth it to have the Kimmel. So like, there's 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.960 this we're too quick to say that this that that 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.160 actually these are business decisions they wanted to make, but 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:39.400 they were afraid to make, which I don't understand either, 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:43.640 Like companies are usually fine to fire, you know, to 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.400 make business decisions that they think are in their own interests. 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.440 They don't need the government to push them. But I 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.800 think the bigger disagreement is on the problem with the 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:56.920 jaw boning. I think jaw boning by the government when, 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.960 especially when it is directly connected to an explicit threat. 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:05.479 You Brennan Carr of the FCC told ABC, you need 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:11.000 to take action against Jimmy Kimmel or else that is 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:15.119 a explicit threat of government action unless they take action 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:20.400 in Missouri versus you know, the Biden or whatever the 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:25.120 case was, where you didn't even have any threat. What 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.720 you had was members of the government, both the Trump 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:33.600 administration's DHS and then Biden administration's DHS, going to the 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:38.520 platforms and flagging I don't think I don't like this 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:42.800 post here about the vaccine, or I don't like this 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:48.840 about the lab and the platforms are actually like most 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:50.360 for the most places, they're like, all right, we're taking 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:54.280 that down. The reason is a problem is not because 0:07:54.360 --> 0:08:01.120 the government said take this down or else. The fact 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:05.440 that they're the government means that they come with awesome power, 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:11.080 enormous power that has to be or else or else 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.400 is just implied. It's it's much worse when you straight 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:18.160 up say or else, like, that's just gangster stuff. But 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.720 but the awesome power of the federal government needs to 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:25.600 be checked by the constitution. And that's why the FBI 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:29.800 cannot even walk in the door and tell you anything 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:35.360 about your monologue or else. You understand that to be 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:39.640 an implicit threat. Big fat, beefy Italian guy comes in. 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.800 It's like. 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.439 The Twitter file, right, Yeah, Hey, he's just hey, just 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.680 knocking on the door here, just want to make sure 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.120 that all your paperwork is in order. Like they didn't 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.520 even have to say back off of the Twitter files 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:58.000 or else you will get audited. That would be horrifying 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.680 if they said back off the Twitter files or else 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.920 you will get audited. How is this any different? Also, 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:09.920 the entire center left thought that the framing of the 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:15.200 Twitter files was was misinformation. It was poorly constructed, it 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:20.880 was cherry picked. So should the FCC or the I 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.880 R S or the FBI have said, you know what, 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.160 we didn't like the framing of the way the Twitter 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.480 files came out. We thought this was wrong. So now 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.480 you're you're going you're going to suffer, You're going to 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:36.080 get punished. It's it's the exact same thing because The 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:40.360 conservative argument is that what Kimmel said was misinformation and 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.800 therefore the threats are justified. In fact, if you look 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.679 at exactly what he said, you know, he said, Maga 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:52.160 folks are desperately trying to find ways to make it 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.120 so that this is not one of their guys. Now 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:56.600 to me, it turned out it was not one of 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.040 their guys. He said this on Monday night. It was 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:04.840 it was the case that everybody from every direction was 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:06.600 trying to make the case that this was not one 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.040 of their guys. That's just what that's that's what they 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:14.079 were doing. So then come in and say you have 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.040 to take action against this guy or else. And then 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.040 the or else is the dual murders. There's murders at 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.800 the Disney level that are needed. And then Next Star 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.600 wants to Nextar is the biggest you know, which bought Rising. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.840 Next Star is the biggest owner of local television networks, 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.840 which is trying to buy even more local television networks, 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:38.720 which we have said for decades is consolidation that we 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.080 don't want to see. So they need the law change. Basically, 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.800 they need an FCC rule changed so that they can 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:47.240 buy more local television channels. And which are so lucrative. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:52.080 Why because of super packing political ads. But that's the 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:55.839 main revenue source. That's that's the only reason local television 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:02.040 channels are so lucrative. And as we know because Emily 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:05.319 and I worked for them for like five minutes, they're 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.240 like they're a trump by aligned freelance. Yeah, we met 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:14.160 their leadership, their Trump aligned and so then they operated 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:19.160 like they operated on the UH on the same team 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:21.559 and helped effectuate this entire thing. 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.199 And they also, by the way, Brendon Carr and his comments, 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.640 I mean directly named chacked like, hey, these you know, 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.280 cable affiliate owners, they need to be looking into this. 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.200 So he says that and threatens ABC. 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:34.040 Next thing. 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.760 Next Star says, Okay, no problem, we're going to We're 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.440 going to preempt Kimmel. And then and according to the 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.920 Rolling Stone reporting, the executives who'd been meeting and who'd 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:46.160 been like, you know, shitting themselves over this, they did 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.719 not think what Kimmel said was over the line. Nor 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.240 do I mean, I think what Kimmel said ended up 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:56.000 being obviously incorrect, but it was not like that crazy 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.680 or wild or in sense like insanely out of bounce 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.679 thing to say. In any case, the executives didn't have 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:06.239 a real problem with what he said, but they explicitly 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.120 felt that the pressure from the Trump administration was the 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.160 reason why they had to act. And then on top 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.079 of all of that, if you had any doubt in mind, 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.040 then you have Brendan Carr go out and say, hey, 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.719 maybe the view should be next. You have Trump come 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:23.160 out and say effectively, like you know anything, really, you 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.680 shouldn't be allowed to criticize me, or else your license 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.520 should be revoked. So if there was any doubt whatsoever 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:34.520 about the reasoning for the decision making of the ABC 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.600 and Disney executive team, it should all be put to 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:41.439 bed by the chain of events, their own interternal deliberations, 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.320 and then the government basically going out and bragging about 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.040 the power that they wield in their ability to coerce 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.320 news executives to do whatever the hell they want. 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.880 Griffin, we should get you in on this, because comedy 0:12:54.920 --> 0:13:01.400 is your space. One thing to that point, I don't 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.560 I wonder how because the Wall Street Journal was reporting 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.160 after it happened that Kimmel they expect Kimmel to be 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.160 back in a couple of days, And I actually am 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.640 curious if he will be back by like Monday. 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:11.160 I don't know. 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.800 I agree with one thing Crystal said on the nature 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:19.760 of the like the one liner by Kimmel's standards was 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:25.840 relatively mild. He said, he said some during COVID, he 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.520 said some crazy stuff like he's, he's, he's. 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.200 Been out there. And my thing with Kimmel, I don't 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:32.120 know what you guys think. 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:33.600 It's sort of like my thing with Colbert as a 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.320 big like Griffin, we've talked about this like Strangers with 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.880 Candy era Colbert fan. 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.120 It just feels like a lot of it feels lazy. 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:43.359 But anyway, that's beside. 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.000 The point and one other point I think what people 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:48.000 were really upset about. And then Griffin, who's if you're 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:49.760 in comedy, that means you're an outlaw at this point 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:54.640 because comedy is illegal once again out So there there 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.880 was two pieces of the joke. The first part is 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.520 not even a jokes, like Maggie's trying to out there, 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.800 trying to or political points on this and say that 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.400 it's not their guy. I don't even actually see how 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.120 that's funny. It's just a comment. But the joke was 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.760 the next one, just like let's see how Trump is responding. 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.679 And then Trump gets asked, you know, sir, like how 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.640 are you holding up personally after the loss of your friend? 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:21.360 And Trump responds, great, we're building this. I don't know, 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:22.640 I don't know if we have a handy, but like, 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.160 you know, we're building this ballroom. Everybody said we couldn't 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:30.880 build the ballroom. It's going to be absolutely fantastic. It's 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.640 going to be the greatest ballroom in the history of ballrooms. 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.440 And you know, it goes on and on and on 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:38.520 about the ballroom. That's it and so, and that was 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.600 his joke. He's like, look at this guy, what a Cretan? 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:43.760 Like that was the joke. And I think that's what 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.600 Trump was actually offended about. But Trump should have not 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.560 acted like a Cretan if he didn't want Jimmy Kimmel 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.040 to portray him as one. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.600 Well, and Trump made it pretty plain that that's what 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:55.600 he was upset about, since he then went on to say, 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:57.440 you're not allowed to criticize me, you. 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:01.640 Know, right, yeah, yeah, go griffing. 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.480 If we're to analyze this from a comedy perspective, then 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.960 Kimmy the Kimmel is guilty and should be fired, but 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:09.720 we shouldn't analyze it from a comedy. 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.160 Perspective because that's that's not right. 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:12.400 Uh. 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:14.840 I did have a few questions for Emily. I am 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.800 curious about this idea that the FCC should be eliminated 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.760 or what have you. I'm curious about that, and like 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.800 what what that would mean if it's gone. But like 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:29.000 also to the point about money to slightly steal man 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:32.600 Emily's case about views, like I did read last night 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.280 that Jimmy Kimmel was averaging in the Key demo around 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:41.240 one hundred and twenty nine thousand views, which is about 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.960 like one YouTube clip from US. This clip today will 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:49.040 probably do more that just acting that the demo, and 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.680 that's actually down fifty percent from what it was a 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.120 couple of months ago, so there seems to be like 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.880 a study decline there. But like if this were just 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:58.920 purely if Next Star were to try to make this 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.440 look like purely a financial decision, like oh, we're just 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.840 bleeding money on the show, why wouldn't they just make 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.320 an announcement being like, hey, we're gonna slowly fold this 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:07.520 show down at the end of the year. 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:09.520 As opposed to this super. 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:13.440 Knee jerk Disney, I mean from the administration, and like 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.400 why would I'm sorry, yeah, Disney, Like why why wouldn't 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.480 they do similar what they did with Colbert right where 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.760 they're like slow rolling it out. But this knee jerk 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.800 reaction to it seems to be like implicitly a direction 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:25.040 from the from the government. 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.360 Well, I think because they're trying to please, Like I 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.200 think they're being opportunistic. My my honest opinion is that 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.400 I think they're trying to like exactly what you say, 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:36.960 Trump operates like a roy Cone trained mafioso. So I 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:41.560 think they take these sort of dust ups as opportunities 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.720 to be like, look, we're, uh, we're giving you a 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:48.920 little here, like we're we're cooperating, we we love Trump. 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:50.400 Maybe it is what they're saying behind the scenes. I 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:54.240 don't know if you guys caught Sherry Redstone obviously coming 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.680 out and saying that this is this is business. 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:57.560 There were a bunch of. 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.520 Anonymous sources who went to Puck and and I think 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.160 the Near Post during the Colbert dust up that said 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.720 it was losing around forty million dollars last year. I 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.800 don't know, I mean, like when you have a few 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.960 anonymous sources. It's hard to obviously verify that number without 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:13.439 the network going on the record. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.800 Those are catastrophically bad numbers for Kimball. Some of this 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:18.640 is anyway. 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:19.680 That is, we don't have to get into the market 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:23.400 of late night shows just to say that I think 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:27.560 the network's taken up. I'll grant you to be like, hey, 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:28.600 look we're working with you. 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:32.480 Yeah, I'll grant you. The shows is dude and probably 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.720 is losing money, but it's just hard to disentangle it 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.040 from the entire right network. 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.520 Well, and I just looked it up. 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:44.359 So the numbers, I'm saying Kimmel was averaging two hundred 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.359 twenty thousand viewers in the demo, which is still not great. 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.119 It's a little better than one hundred couple months ago. 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:51.960 A couple of months ago, he was it was what 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:52.640 I read. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.800 Okay, well he and he was ahead of Colbert and 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:00.480 Fallon in terms of his numbers. So you know, in 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:04.200 terms if you look at the genre, he was actually 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:08.520 the person who was performing the best. And you know, yeah, 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.119 I mean, I'm just listen, I'm I obviously I agree 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.359 with Ryan, like the business thing may be true that 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.359 it's losing money, but that is not the reason he 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:21.160 was suspended right now, because in fact, I think by 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.760 doing it in this way, they have put themselves in 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:27.600 a much worse position because people are very upset that 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.240 they made this decision, and they have the possibility of 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.320 strikes from talent, and you know, obviously this is a 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.119 giant conglomerate. There's all sorts of ways that talent and 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:40.840 producers and actors and whatever can speak out and be upset. 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.160 It's created this whole national cultural moment. Like, I don't 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:46.120 think as a business, this would have been the way 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.360 that they would have wanted to go. Instead, they could 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:52.080 have done what, for example, like MSNBC did at the 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.639 beginning of the Trump administration when they look around and 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:57.920 see the writing on the wall and they basically offer 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.320 up joy read as tribute. They're like, okay, yeah, but 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:01.800 you don't even have to say anything. We're going to 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:03.320 get rid of this lady, and we're going to sell 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:07.800 off MSNBC. Are we good now? That in that way, 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.960 there isn't that direct like you're directly threatened and under 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:15.360 dress you intentionally like cave and capitulate in a way 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.480 that is undeniable and blatantly obvious. 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:18.720 And also the. 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.359 Reason why these shows, these late nine shows, like in 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:25.399 general big picture suck is because they are sickophantic to 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.520 the Democratic Party, and now the Republicans are asking for 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.480 them to be sickophantic to the Republican Party. And like, 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:35.000 to a certain extent, comedy is supposed to be illegal. 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.320 It's supposed to feel illegal. It's supposed to feel like, oh, 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:40.560 you're not allowed to say that, but the comedian is 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.400 saying that. And that's why it sucks right now when 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.359 they just you know, jerk off the Democratic Party, and 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:48.800 it's going to suck when they jerk off the Republican Party. 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.960 And so it's like the fundamental like identity and core 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.159 of comedy is going to continue sucking if it's about 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.040 making comedy feel legal, like you're things that you're allowed 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:02.000 to say, which is the antithesis of the form more Baby. 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:05.280 Yeah, that's kind of an interesting comment though, Griffin, because 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:09.000 what Trump is doing, accidentally is making them like Edgy 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:13.679 and Subversta. Yes exactly, you can't do You're just like 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:17.639 standard thing is now illegal. So yeah, it's making it 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.240 so because we all watched I mean, I watched a 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:22.600 bunch of the monologues from last night, which were not 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:27.160 like particularly spectacular. But now they have this looming interest 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:31.280 and you know, increased interest in scrutiny and edge to 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:35.719 them simply because of what the Trump administration has, you know, 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:36.360 has done here. 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.040 We've got new comments here from Trump on the Air 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:43.720 Force one about sort of his larger plans or thoughts 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:46.919 on on TV networks in general. Let's let's take a 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:48.560 listen for him on Air Force one for a second. 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:51.680 That's something that you'd be talking about for licensing too. 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:55.120 When you have a network and you have evening shows 0:20:55.200 --> 0:21:00.080 and all they do is it Trump. It's all they do. 0:20:59.880 --> 0:21:00.640 You go back. 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.520 I guess I haven't had a concerput going in years 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:03.960 or something. 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:05.680 Somebody said when you. 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:09.480 Go back kick a Look, Well they do is job. 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:12.560 Ye're license, They're not allowed. 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:12.639 To do that. 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.080 They're an arm of the Democrat parties. 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:15.560 Thank you. 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:20.240 Everybody fly safely. You know why to say that, because 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:23.000 I'm on the flight I want to get Otherwise. 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:25.240 I wouldn't care he's on the flight, or otherwise he 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:25.840 wouldn't care. 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:29.840 That would be a good joke. We know we know 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:32.119 he's on the flight because he's standing right there. And 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:33.920 so it kind of he stepped on his own punchline 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:37.119 with his own presence. He otherwise that's funny. 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.600 He also keeps saying from his first post to just 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:44.640 that like he's absolutely convinced that Kimmel has been fired 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:48.080 and that is not what any of the reporting suggests 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.000 right now, and it wasn't when any of the reportings 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:53.000 suggests when he fired off is true social at one 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.919 thirty in the morning UK time. So I don't know 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:00.080 if if he knows something or if he's trying to manifest. 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.560 Well, maybe maybe they should just not just bring him 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:05.240 back and not announce it. And you know what, actually 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:06.560 Chop would never notice. 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:07.879 He might not ever know. 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:10.160 And what might solve the entire problem is if they 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:14.440 give Trump Kimmel's late night spot and then Trump isn't 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:15.440 president anymore. 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:18.359 He would love that job. 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:21.280 Yeah, but couldn't he do a five minute monologue or 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:23.600 is it just the whole show just going to be 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:24.440 his monologue? 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:26.320 I see that? Could he contain himself to all? 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:26.720 You know? 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:27.480 Sometimes? 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:30.600 You know, if he was not president, I would watch that. 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:32.280 I would make that du remember that time on the 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:34.880 campaign trail, he like they just like stood in silence 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:37.800 and swayed to ave Marie or something like that. 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:39.600 That was great stuff, that was amazing. 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:42.639 Some real's a realist content. 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:46.480 I don't know what you call that, but I do 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:48.960 want to focus in on what he said there, which 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:52.240 he specifically said, they hit Trump every night. 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:54.000 That's not allowed. 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:58.560 It's like, literally in America, you are allowed to criticize 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:00.800 the president of the United States. That's like kind of 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:02.960 the whole deal here, Like that's a big part of 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:07.160 what we're all about. And as I said before, makes 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.680 it plain not only that the real problem he had 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:12.680 wasn't you know something he said about Charlie Kirk's killer. 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:15.680 It was about the criticism of him, which is why 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:19.160 he had previously said, hey, Jimmy Kimmel's next had been 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:22.720 calling for his ouster. And also why you've now got 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:24.919 you know, Brendan and and he said, who did he 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:25.480 say is next? 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:26.960 Jimmy Fallon or Steven. 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:28.760 Gilmer and and Seth Meyer. 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:31.639 And Seth Meyer and then and then you have Brendan 0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:36.320 Carr coming after the view and you know, putting them 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:39.239 in the in the spotlight and the view notably and 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:42.399 this is like pretty shameful. They didn't talk about this 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:46.120 topic yesterday on their show at all. So and that's 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:49.080 the point. The point isn't just to get a scalp 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:52.880 in terms of Jimmy Kimmel. The point is to send 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:56.080 the message out to everyone that you better watch it, 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:59.159 you better be careful, because you step over wherever that 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:01.040 invisible line is, you get a little bit of a 0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:03.280 you know, online conservative backlash going. 0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:04.520 And that's it. 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:07.840 Your companies, your corporate executives, they're not going to have 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:08.320 your back. 0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:11.040 They are not going to have your back. You are 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:12.480 on your own. 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:15.160 And that message, whether or not Kimmel comes back at 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:18.040 some point or doesn't come back, whatever, that message has 0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:21.399 been sent. And the fact that the view said nothing 0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:25.520 about this yesterday, I think shows you the chill that 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:28.639 has already been instilled, at least in you know, in 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:33.960 many journalists, personalities, comedians across the board, the. 0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:35.719 Minions across the board will go for it. Emily, why 0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:37.359 I pull this clip up? I do a Colbert clip 0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:38.200 I want to pull up next. 0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:41.320 I was saying, if if I were Democrats right now, 0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:45.160 I would like immediately be looking at ways to defang 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:49.000 the FCC and force Republicans to defend the power of 0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:53.360 the FCC, because the FCC gives what's called like news exemptions. 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:58.199 Howard Stern, for example, got his quote news exemption. So 0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:01.240 this is like it goes years and years, and it's 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:04.440 been used in ways that we've become accustomed to because 0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:11.040 like many things before, we had this crazy moment ten 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:14.159 plus years ago. I guess now in the US we 0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:17.400 didn't think about the tools, or we hadn't thought about 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:19.679 the tools in this way for like twenty thirty years, 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:25.600 and now Republicans haven't watched the media, especially with Trump. 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:29.040 But like saying, going back over the last whatever thirty years, 0:25:29.080 --> 0:25:32.600 the way that conservatives were covered are saying, well, hey, 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:37.920 there's this public interest tool in the FCC's toolkit, and 0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:41.880 that's there. So while all of these levers are being pulled, 0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:44.520 why not take a look at the public interest part 0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:47.840 of it. Why not say, why not take away the 0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:52.719 quote news exemption from some of these these broadcasters and 0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:54.480 make it so that they do have to do equal 0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:56.520 time because what Trump said there where he was like, 0:25:56.600 --> 0:25:59.400 you have to it's not allowed to just bash Trump 0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:02.960 night after night. If they if they have their news exemption, 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:06.840 maybe the FCC takes that away and then says, actually 0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:09.919 it's not allowed. You have to do equal time, and 0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:12.120 all of that was like as a business model, doesn't 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:14.920 really even make sense anymore. So if I were Democrats, 0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:19.600 I would make Republicans start defending the new Deal FCC 0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:23.439 because that would get I honestly think it's pretty good 0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:25.679 case for abolishing the FCC, the way that we licensed 0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:26.840 broadcaster wives and all of that. 0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:29.000 But anyway, beside the point, well, I. 0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:32.040 Mean, got feld needs equal time, get me out. 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:35.080 That doesn't count because it's cable, but like the broadcast. 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:38.560 Okay, gotcha, gotcha, but which most people I don't think 0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:41.960 distinguish a difference between, Like the average person just views 0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:43.880 this as just like a freedom of speech thing without 0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:46.399 the intricacies like all that that's broadcast. 0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:48.200 This is cable, like, you know. 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:50.720 The The problem there is that this isn't really on 0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:52.720 the up and up. It's not as if they have 0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:55.440 a genuine concern about public interest and they're going to 0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:58.760 use the remedies existing around the public interest rule. What 0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:01.760 they're saying is we don't like what you said, and 0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:04.240 we're going to connect it to this other thing, this 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:08.280 merger that you want that your parent company wants, and 0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:12.120 We're going to use the threat of blocking this merger, 0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.760 not because we think it's anti competitive, not because we 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.840 don't like the merger on the merits, but as power 0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:21.440 to get you to do what we want. So looking 0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:24.800 at the rules implies that this is being done on 0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.080 the up and up through the rule book, and it's 0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:29.720 and it's not. It's just being done with with raw power. 0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:33.720 So many people are saying, what are Jimmy Kimmel's colleagues 0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:36.720 going to say? What is John Stewart, What is John 0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:38.800 Oliver going to say? So We've got a clip here 0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:41.640 from Stephen Colbert that we like to play here. See 0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:42.600 if it met the moment. 0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:51.160 I'm your host, Stephen Colbert. But tonight we are all 0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:52.000 Jimmy Kimmel. 0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:53.760 I am. 0:27:57.880 --> 0:27:58.760 I still have a show though. 0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:05.840 Right yesterday, after threats from Trump's FCC chair, ABC yanked 0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:07.600 Kimmel off the air indefinitely. 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:12.359 That is blatant censorship. And it always starts small. 0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:15.000 You know, remember like in week one of his presidency, 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:19.480 helf of America, call it Gulf of America. Sure seems harmless, 0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:22.639 but with an autocrat you cannot give an inch. 0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:30.639 And if ABC thinks, if ABC thinks that this is 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:32.120 going to satisfy the regime. 0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:35.199 They are woefully naive and clearly they've never read the 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:35.960 children's book. 0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:40.360 If you give a mouse a Kimmel and and and 0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:42.600 to Jimmy and to Jimmy, just let me say, I 0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:45.680 stand with you and your staff one hundred percent. And 0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:48.960 also you couldn't let me enjoy this for like one week? 0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:52.080 All right, if you give him mouse? 0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:59.360 Kim ol Ryan loved that one. That there's the key demo, folks, 0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:00.520 there's the. 0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:01.840 Jen X enough. 0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:04.240 I'm sort I think I'm in the demo. 0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:04.440 Now. 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.200 I need to start watching these late night shows. 0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:09.680 So did you guys watch these late night reactions? Do 0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:11.800 do we find that this met the moment? Because I 0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:15.360 was struck by these feeling very similar to other just 0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:17.960 Trump takedowns in terms of tone and energy. 0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.080 What did you guys make of it? So? 0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:21.880 I think what they were lacking. 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:25.560 I mean, on the one hand, I'm sympathetic because it's 0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:29.840 hard to make comedy about something that, you know, like 0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:31.680 to have a topic and be like, I'm going to 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:33.960 make a joke about this. And yet they're mandate on 0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:36.440 the show obviously is not just to do political commentary, 0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:38.280 but to make it funny, and it's a difficult thing 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:41.000 to be able to nail sympathetic there. It's certainly not 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.280 something I could pull off. I think what they were 0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:44.640 all lacking is some. 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:45.920 Sort of a call to action. 0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:49.120 It's like, Okay, you don't like it, and you're saying, oh, 0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:51.520 this won't affect my performance, and maybe it will, maybe 0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:51.920 it won't. 0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:52.800 I mean, I don't even. 0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:55.520 Think like, as an individual human being, you're not even 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:59.400 really fully equipped to assess your own ability to withstand 0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:01.200 that pressure, cause you don't know the way things are 0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:04.040 subtly influencing you, If that makes sense, which is why 0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:07.080 you have to why we've worked hard to insulate ourselves 0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:10.920 from different pressures that are we can't anticipate. But there 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.600 was no like, Okay, that's why we need to That's 0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:14.640 why we need to boycott. 0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:15.840 That's why we're going on strike. 0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.560 That's why you know, that's why Democrats need to break 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:22.720 up these giant conglomerates. Like maybe it's too much to 0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.240 put that on them, but I think people are looking 0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:27.440 at them for like some sort of leadership, since this 0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:30.080 is their industry and these are really influential, powerful wealthy 0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:32.960 people at this point and there was none of that. 0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:36.120 It's just sort of like, you know, Republicans are hypocrites. Okay, 0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.800 we can see that. You know, we're not happy about 0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:43.360 what happened with Kimmel. That's obvious. And I think the 0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:49.600 other thing that's always difficult with Trump is because we've 0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:52.680 had this is far from the first threat to the 0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:56.640 First Amendment from this administration, even literally in this week. 0:30:57.400 --> 0:30:59.960 So when you've talked about these things before, it also 0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:05.240 becomes difficult to separate from previous concerns from this moment 0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:07.760 and to really sort of like put a pin in 0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:12.320 what makes this particular action different, more extraordinary, more troubling, darker, 0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:15.480 more sinister than previous things that we've thought about and 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:16.360 talked about with Trump. 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:20.680 Yeah, Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert are really awful free 0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:24.160 speech martyrs for like the left in these cases, because 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:28.360 they're at heart corporate Dems who have coasted on really 0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:32.320 lazy comedy and started driving some of these formats like 0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:37.280 into the ground unnecessarily show, unnecessarily so, and it's like 0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:41.280 hard to I think it's hard for people like rally. 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.920 Around these I agree, Emily and like company men. 0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:47.880 I agree only because also It's like liberals have a 0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:50.200 lot of times turned the blind eye to other freedom 0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:52.520 of speech issues over the last two years. I mean, like, 0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:55.760 had they covered the crackdowns from both Biden and Trump 0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:58.760 on Palestine protest freedom of speech? Like I see so 0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.920 many people in LA have Colbert. 0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:02.520 And Kimmel talked about that. 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:06.680 That's a really I mean, I mean maybe, yeah, Stewart 0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:09.080 has for sure, But I don't know. I am a 0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.640 little struck by, like a lot of liberals that I 0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:13.800 see online coming out for the first time about freedom 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.560 of speech after two years of disastrous freedom of speech. 0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:18.720 But it's like, oh, when it's like a multi millionaire 0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:21.680 like white host of the Late Night Show, that's when 0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:24.160 it matters. Obviously, it's he's a more famous person, it's 0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:27.400 gonna make a bigger impact. But yeah, if you haven't 0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:29.320 been talking about freedom of speech in a lot of 0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:31.120 other areas, and let's say a lot of these were 0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:34.320 front page news stories, you like to miss Mahmoud Khalil, 0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:37.240 that's a front page story, Like that's not like, oh, sorry, 0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:39.000 I didn't turn to the third page to see that. 0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.880 Let me defend not you know, Colbert and these people 0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:45.880 who I haven't watched, I genuinely don't know. I don't 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.120 suspect that they said anything about that, but I don't 0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:52.440 actually know for sure. But let me defend the Libs 0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:55.640 a little bit here, which is to say, number one, 0:32:56.360 --> 0:33:01.600 Democrats overwhelmingly, you know, oppose what's happening in Gaza, have 0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:05.600 opposed the crackdown on you know, on speech on campus. 0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:08.760 Like that movement comes from the left, and you know, 0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:11.280 it's most more leftists, but also left liberal. 0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:12.360 So there's that. 0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:16.080 The other thing I would say is, again like I was, 0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:18.560 and Ryan was at odds with a lot of liberals 0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:22.240 in terms of their you know, ignoring an acceptance and 0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:26.080 pushing actively cancel culture and trampling out her speech and 0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:27.520 censorship and in all of that. 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.760 Right, So I wasn't on the same page with them there. 0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:34.480 However, I will say, both in terms of the substance 0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:38.680 and in terms of the state mechanisms, this is different. Right, 0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:42.480 Like with the Twitter file stuff, what the Biden administration 0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:46.240 was messaging to you know, these social media companies about 0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:50.960 was COVID misinformation that they felt like genuinely was going 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:54.800 to cause people to lose their lives. Right, So now 0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:56.920 we all felt like Okay, First of all, a lot 0:33:56.960 --> 0:33:58.800 of these accounts are tiny accounts, Like it's not going 0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:01.080 to make that big of a difriends. You guys have 0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:03.480 been wrong about a bunch of stuff with COVID. We 0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:06.200 don't want a ministry of truth. Just by sending these 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:09.800 messages and having these meetings, you're exerting extraordinary pressure pressure. 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:13.600 But I don't want to pretend like the COVID misinformation 0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:18.440 and this like lame comment from Jimmy Kimmel are remotely 0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:21.600 the same, because they're not right. So the content is different. 0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:25.240 And then, as Ryan was laying out before, the government 0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:28.719 action is different as well. So here you have an 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:32.160 explicit threat and it comes in the context of a 0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:38.160 Trump administration that has used every opportunity, real and imagined 0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:43.720 crises to crush descent, crack down, grab power, and has truly, 0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:46.680 I mean that truly is an authoritarian threat to the 0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:51.920 country and to democracy. So I even as I again 0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:53.680 was not on the same page as the liberals, you 0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:55.360 can go and back and look at my support of 0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:56.920 the Harper's letter and coverage of the Twitter. 0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:57.360 Files and all of that. 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:02.319 Yeah, even though I wasn't on their side there, Like 0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:06.160 I think it is fair to say this administration, what 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:10.680 they're doing now is genuinely different than what anything we 0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:13.680 saw under the Biden administration. I don't think it even 0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:16.080 came close. And that's before we even talk about like 0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:19.239 scrubbing people's social media and you know, for whether or 0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:21.480 not they can have a visa and deporting them without 0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:25.080 due process, and you know the massive crackdown over speech 0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:27.359 on Palestine, et cetera. So that's what I would say 0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:33.759 in defense of the libs its the I. 0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:37.120 Think you always have to take what Trump is saying, 0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:40.360 even if he doesn't mean it literally, you have to 0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:42.600 take it seriously because when you have the President of 0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:46.359 the United States threatening broadcast licenses, and even if it's 0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:49.600 just quote jaw boning, I think you do have to 0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:52.640 take it seriously, especially when it comes with threats from 0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.880 the FCC and when you see compliance. So I actually 0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:59.920 think the way that Trent talks about broadcast licenses is insane. 0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:03.120 And when they have a track record of weaponizing the 0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:09.239 government to punish universities, law firms, immigrants, students, anyone that 0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:12.040 they don't like. When he's coming out and issuing a 0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:14.280 you know, statement saying hey, we're going to make ANTIFO, 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:17.360 which is like, you know, an ideology a terrorist organization 0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:22.439 and threatening people who are just pro Palestine with being 0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:26.239 providing material support to terrorism. Like that's the record of 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:30.040 this administration, So it's not an idle threat. We all 0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:33.080 know that they have weaponized the entire federal government in 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:35.719 every way that they can think of in order to 0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:39.880 coerce and crush dissent and consolidate power. So that is 0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.920 a very different landscape than what we've dealt with before. 0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:45.040 The other thing I was to say is I do 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:48.239 think some moves from Dems and the Biden administration, and 0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:50.439 this doesn't have to become a tip for tap thing. 0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:53.959 I do think things like the Global Engagement Center, which 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.239 it's hypocritical for Marko Ruby to shut it down and 0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:59.400 like he's a champion of a free speech obviously given 0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:04.160 what's happened with Visas and other students. But in that case, 0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:08.520 the State Department was funding blacklists of conservative media outlets, 0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:10.800 and not even just conservative media outlets, but like literally 0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:15.040 Unheard found its way onto a global disinformation index that 0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:17.440 was funded by the State Department. 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:18.920 The Equality Act. 0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:22.239 Which almost every Democrat supports, would have serious ramifications for 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.680 free speech because of the way that it reads gender 0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:28.000 identity into sex, and the same thing was true of 0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:31.320 the way the Obama administrations in the Bible Biden administrations 0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:35.880 wielded Title nine. So it's some of that stuff I 0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:40.600 think was enormously significant in ways that it's frustrating because 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:44.480 the Colbert you know, who's now a free speech martyr 0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:47.040 and Kimmel is a free speech martyr, don't give a 0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:49.279 damn about They don't care, and some of the people 0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:52.160 who are supporting them don't care and never did. The 0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:56.560 media barely covered the Global Engagement Center story like it 0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.080 wasn't really anything, And there are other examples that we 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:00.520 could point to I actually I agree. 0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:03.000 I don't think the COVID one is apples to apples. 0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:04.320 I think it's apples to oranges. 0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:06.080 But I do think there were other ones where we 0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:10.040 saw both the Obama and buy An administrations weaponizing their 0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:13.319 power to go after journalists and you know, or not 0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:16.239 not just journalists, but to go after speech. Actually, Ryan 0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:18.840 the James Rising case from the Obama administration and the 0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:22.040 James Rosen case from the Obama administration are examples of 0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:23.799 that too, But in those cases, most of the media 0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:26.840 was pretty defensive of Rising, if I'm remembering correctly. 0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:30.880 Yeah, And Risen started late Bush and then went into Obama. 0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:33.520 And so it was this bipartisan attempt to get He 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:37.360 was a New York Times reporter who had exposed some 0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.640 of the NSA's spying reporting that was then later confirmed 0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:44.680 by Edward Snowden's leaks, and they were threatening to put 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:47.560 him in prison in order to get him to reveal 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:53.480 his sources. And eventually Obama backed off because he was 0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:56.720 you know, he was the kind of person that elites 0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:02.480 could pressure and say, your constitutional scholar, bro, like your 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:04.200 law professor, like what are you doing? 0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:05.760 All right? Fine? 0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:08.800 And and so he never ended up going to prison. 0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:11.400 But you know, A Chrystal and I both warned, you know, 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:16.600 throughout the teens and early twenties that what the left 0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:22.920 was doing might be constitutional because it's private stuff. You know, 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:25.680 you're just bull you're bullying, you're the mob is bullying 0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:30.640 some company to fire a person or get rid of them. 0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:34.440 But that it was still a roade, you know, it 0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:36.640 was still e roding of the First Amendment. That the 0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:39.799 First Amendment is is has a letter and it has 0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:42.560 a spirit. And while it might not have been violating 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:44.719 the letter of it, it was violating the spirit of it. 0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:48.120 And amendments that are on the books but that aren't 0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:51.239 respected by the cultural spirit aren't worth what they're written on. 0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:55.200 Look at the Fourth Amendment, no illegal search and seizure, Well, 0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:57.719 how's that. How's that working out for us? It's still 0:39:57.719 --> 0:40:00.960 written there, but because spiritually we kind of abandon it, 0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:05.000 then nobody follows it anymore. And so that's why people 0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:07.279 like Glenn and Crystal and I were all saying, no, 0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:09.160 you've got to draw the line here and protect it 0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:12.240 in spirit, not just in letter, because you're not always 0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:14.440 going to be in power, and in a lot of 0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:19.239 cases like Trump was president at the time, and when 0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:22.680 you fully lose power, look, you know it's it's going 0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:27.080 to ratchet further. The most hopeful thing I've seen, which 0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:31.080 is probably too hopeful, is that the right is going 0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:35.000 to have its outrageous spasm of cancel culture. It's going 0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:38.160 to use the tools and the power of government to 0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:42.720 censor speech, taking cancel culture on to the next level. 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:49.439 But it's going to fall apart because the American people 0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:51.640 when they vote in elections. A lot of the political 0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:53.680 science says they're not really actually moved by what the 0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:57.680 media and what commercials say, Like that's just that's a 0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:02.319 that's a fraction of how people vote. What they vote 0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:05.640 on is the underlying material conditions of their lives, which 0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:11.880 are rapidly deteriorating under Trump. So his effort to like 0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:16.960 do a Turkey air Towan or Hungarian like consolidation of 0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:20.799 the media to hold on to power may not work 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.440 because we're so federalized, and because people vote based on 0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:26.440 how they you know, and Democratic Party is the oldest 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:29.239 political party in the world history, so people know that 0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:31.120 they don't know what it stands for, but they know 0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:35.040 what exists, and so if they're not happy with the 0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:37.239 conditions that they're living in, they know that they can 0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:40.200 vote for this other party. What is that party going 0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:43.520 to do? God only knows. They're not telling us, but 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:46.319 at least they're not the party in power, so that 0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:48.680 could still happen. And then at that point, maybe both 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:50.760 the left and the right are like, Okay, we're wrong, 0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:53.680 let's do an amnesty and a truce on this cancel 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:54.400 culture stuff. 0:41:55.360 --> 0:42:00.279 No I mean no, I mean let me well, and 0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:04.640 we yeah, right, we don't pretend like cancel culture started 0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:07.680 with like you know, liberals in the like Hillary Clinton era, 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:08.800 and that's just not true. 0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:11.640 Like think back to the two post two thousand and. 0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:14.359 One, I mean, and yeah, go back to McCarthy even 0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:17.000 the early nineties, like all the little moral panics about 0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:18.400 rap lyrics and stuff like that. 0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:21.440 Like there was John Adams throwing French aligned people. 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:22.800 Oh so true. 0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:28.719 As original sin on on First Amendment there, I mean, 0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:31.879 it's actually Jesus yep, there you. 0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:33.320 Go, original podcaster. 0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:38.640 But I mean, so, I like, I have to tell 0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:42.240 you guys, I feel I don't feel scared or angry. 0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:46.239 I actually just feel depressed because I like, let's play 0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:48.759 this sound a little bit, okay, and let's keep in 0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:50.760 mind you guys, Ryan and em only you guys covered 0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:54.400 this week. Also this consolidation of media institutions in the 0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:58.880 hands of Trump aligned figures and Zionists, the Ellison's you 0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:03.720 know there, So you're going to have CBS, potentially CNN, HBO. 0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:07.759 You know Twitter is already owned by Elon TikTok coming 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:08.919 under that umbrella too. 0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:11.239 So yeah, you have got a breakdown of view of 0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:12.880 these crystal for you while you're talking. 0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:14.440 Okay, if you want to throw that up on the screen. 0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:16.839 And so you talk about orbon, I mean this is orbon. 0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:20.399 This is like a speed run of Orbonism, which from 0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:24.719 my study, took longer to consolidate than you know this 0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:27.000 has in the second Trump administration. And then what do 0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:31.080 you do with the remaining mainstream, you know, establishment institutions. 0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:32.839 You do what you did with Jimmy Kimmel. You said 0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:34.800 down the message, listen, you better not cross me, or 0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:39.000 else there are going to be consequences. And the corporate executives. 0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:41.759 You know, as a leftist, I never expected the capitalists 0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:44.439 to fight back up against fascism. But they certainly aren't 0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:46.480 rising to the occasion, There's no doubt about that. 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:49.439 And so that message to hurt feelings, don't don't hurt 0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:50.680 feelings with the app. 0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:55.200 So that goes out, you know, that goes out too 0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:58.560 to everybody who works there, like they're not going to 0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:01.759 They don't have my back, nobody has solidarity with me. 0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:04.080 I am just out here on my own And do 0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:07.279 I personally have any ability to stand up to the 0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:09.520 entirety of the United States government? 0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:10.520 Of course not. 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:14.680 And neither does independent quote unquote independent media either, Like 0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:16.480 if Disney can be crushed like a bug. 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:17.600 What do you think we are? 0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:18.560 Right? 0:44:18.640 --> 0:44:21.440 So you have, I mean you have, so you have. 0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:26.279 That's the media landscape. Okay, and then okay, we have elections, right, 0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:28.839 we have mid terms. We already know Trump is trying 0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:30.960 to like Jerry, rig the maps to make it as 0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:34.279 favorable as possible, cast out on mail in ballots, They're 0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:37.280 monkeying around that, the voter rules, like all this stuff 0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:39.640 that they're going to try to do. Not to mention, 0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:42.440 we've got National Guard already in the streets in multiple cities. 0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:44.879 Are they going to be there intimidating voters on election day? 0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:47.399 I don't think it's a crazy thing to suggest. Then 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:50.879 let's say that Democrats overcome that it's too big to rig, 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:53.239 they win a majority in the House, they do well 0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:56.399 on the Senate. Whatever you think this man is going 0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:59.319 to accept those election results. Of course he's not. Of 0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:03.040 course he's not. We already know his playbook. He's already 0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:05.960 projecting what he's going to do when he's casting doubt 0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:08.799 on elections and mail in ballots and saying, you know, 0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:11.000 I wish we had the recourse of the ballot box, 0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:12.880 but you know, the ballot box in many cases is 0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:16.279 rigged and it's not sufficient. He's going to go out 0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:19.600 and say, no, these election results are not legitimate. Democrats 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:22.360 did not win these seats. They're incapable of winning these seats, 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:27.320 and his base will believe him. So at that point, 0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:30.480 you have a media ecosystem that is completely compromised, that's 0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:33.520 terrified to tell the truth about the nature of the elections. 0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:35.759 You've got you know, roughly half of at least of 0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:38.759 the voting public that is going along with, you know, 0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:41.480 his view that this is all rigged and sham. 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:44.759 Like, where are we then, Because the whole. 0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:46.520 Thing, to Ryan's point about like, you know, it's all 0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:48.799 written down on paper, but it's as good as the 0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:50.560 paper it's written on. If we don't all sort of 0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:53.160 like buy into the spirit of the project, the whole 0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:55.120 thing falls apart. If you don't have most of the 0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:58.080 population sort of routinely just like accepting, okay, these results 0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:01.680 are more or less correct, going to move forward with 0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:04.640 what we get. So that's where we're headed, and this 0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:07.880 media consolidation piece is an important part of it, because 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.480 they need to be scared to tell the truth going 0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:15.280 you know, when and if that happens, about what actually occurred. 0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:18.799 And so that's why I'm feeling very depressed, because I 0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:24.239 don't see what institution exists or what power structure exists 0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:28.239 that is capable of like rolling back or resisting any 0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:30.799 of this. It's certainly not the corporations. It hasn't in 0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:34.880 the universities, wasn't the law firms. You know, it's labor 0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:38.440 has already long been defenestrated long ago. They're irrelevant to 0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:42.440 the conversation, which is sad and pathetic. The court system, 0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:47.120 like Trump has realized that number one, there's this loophole 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:49.200 in liberal democracy where if you just do a bunch 0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:50.640 of shit, it takes a while for the courts to 0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:52.799 catch up. And number two, the Supreme Court's given him 0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:56.719 everything he wants anyway when it gets there. So I 0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:59.040 don't know, guys, that's where we are. It's pretty ugly. 0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:02.040 And they're already on Fox News being like, oh, well, 0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:04.359 the First Amendment. I don't know if Charlie really would 0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:07.680 have believed in that now I think Trump said that, 0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:09.440 And then someone else on Fox News was like, I 0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:11.560 don't know if we really I don't know if we 0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:13.640 can deal with the First Amendment anymore. I'm not sure, 0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:16.000 if that's as important as these other things we're dealing with. 0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:22.719 Literally every lib said during the Biden administration that sent 0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:25.759 conservatives through the roof. Not every lib, of course, but 0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:28.279 it was like all of the disinformation libs who were 0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:31.960 complaining about the First Amendment scope being too broad in 0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:34.560 the way that it I mean, it is, like she said, 0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:38.680 the thing that was sending all of the right onto 0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:42.080 their moral high horse, and again like in a good way, right, 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:46.120 like we should all be against the government saying well, 0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:50.080 maybe that whole First Amendment thing is a little outdated. 0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:52.239 So yeah, I mean, I. 0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:58.279 Emily, I'm curious for your take on crystal scenario because 0:47:58.320 --> 0:48:01.000 it seems pretty dystopian but also so fairly realistic. The 0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:06.399 only thing I would say could change that arc would 0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:11.319 be a financial crisis, which we do seem like. I 0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:14.040 think that's a matter more of of when rather than 0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:20.040 if that could That basically just flips the table. But 0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:25.440 outside of that, where do you see holes in the 0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:27.520 kind of arc that she sketched out there? 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.279 I don't, I mean, I don't, I think you know. 0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:33.760 For me, it was also depressing when the Hunter Biden 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:36.640 like laptop case broke and I saw the way the 0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:40.720 media had treated the like Russia collusion thing for years, 0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:44.200 And of course I like, I remember not being able 0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:50.320 to DM that story after the Politico broke that fifty 0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:53.480 one former intelligence people coming out and saying it had 0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:56.480 all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation. I remember not being 0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:59.920 able to send it over a DM in private comp 0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:04.680 So that was like I felt really similarly then, And 0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:08.880 I think probably the most important reservation that people should 0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:11.239 have about Trump, even if you're a conservative, even if 0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:16.040 you are ideologically maga, but you're not like full Curtis 0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:19.279 Jarvin and want just like a monarchy or an American 0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:23.640 CEO instead of a president. The biggest reservation people should 0:49:23.640 --> 0:49:28.840 still have is fake claims, a fraud in election because 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:32.920 in elections, because that is the hallmark of Banana Republicanism, 0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:36.880 and we've seen there's precedent for it. So I don't 0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:39.719 think like I actually think a lot of conservatives, if 0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:42.239 you laid out what Chrystal just said, would be like, 0:49:42.360 --> 0:49:45.520 oh haha, But no, I think it's completely serious because 0:49:45.520 --> 0:49:49.560 again we have precedent for it. So I've got I've 0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:51.000 got nothing in response to that. 0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:57.239 Let me ask you guys something too about this York 0:49:57.280 --> 0:50:03.239 County shooting of there was an Pennsylvania in Pennsylvania, five 0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:08.919 cops were ambushed, three killed, two others wounded. And I'm 0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:12.160 curious if you think that the climate that we're in 0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:17.640 explains some of the lack of attention that the media 0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:21.719 is paying to this. Uh, the guy's Matthew Ruth was 0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:24.440 the is the killer he was he was he was 0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:26.680 killed or he took his own life. It's there's there's 0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:30.280 very little information about about this. He was stalking his uh, 0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:34.440 his girlfriend, his ex girlfriend. She called the police, they 0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:39.720 suspected an ambush and still got ambushed from a cornfield. 0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:47.879 And he's he's a registered libertarian, I believe, white guy. 0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:54.520 Like it's what people call demographically inconvenient. But even given 0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:58.000 all those facts, the killing of the shooting of five 0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:02.960 police officers and the killing of three usually makes national news, 0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:09.000 even if the shooter is demographically inconvenient. Yeah, there's barely 0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:13.000 been a blip. I wonder if the political climate the 0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:18.160 media is under right now is influencing decisions by broadcasters 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:21.399 to say, you know what, do we let's not touch this? 0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:24.160 This is like this is just this looks this looks 0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:25.719 like trouble I. 0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:29.000 Mean, the innocent explanation would be there's just so much 0:51:29.040 --> 0:51:32.160 else going on, you know, with Charlie Kirk just being 0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:36.200 assassinated and that being the investigation of that being ongoing, 0:51:36.280 --> 0:51:40.040 and the Kimmel censorship and all of those things right 0:51:40.120 --> 0:51:42.040 and to presidence in the UK, like all these things 0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:45.640 that are going on that it just couldn't quite break through. 0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:49.560 But what I would say, Ryan, is if the shooter 0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:52.880 were trans and just murdered three cops, everyone in the 0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:54.960 fucking country would know about it and it would be 0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:58.600 wall to wall coverage. So I think there's no doubt 0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:03.640 that the demographic inconvenience of the shooter is a big 0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:06.439 part of the reason why networks society, you know, there's 0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:08.719 a lot of other stories to cover, we're just not 0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:10.400 going to touch this. We're just going to put this 0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:12.080 one on the back burner and we're not going to 0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:12.920 particularly touch it. 0:52:13.200 --> 0:52:15.640 Now. I will say that's nothing new, of course. 0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:18.680 You know, how many stories do we have of like 0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:23.279 adorable little white girls who get murdered and kidnapped or 0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:26.680 horrible things and they become national names and stories, and 0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:29.400 same thing happens to an adorable little black girl and 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:31.520 nobody ever knows her name, Like, this is not a 0:52:31.560 --> 0:52:35.000 new thing in terms of American media presentation, but I 0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:38.840 think you are correctly touching on the particular political valance 0:52:38.840 --> 0:52:41.200 that could be influencing, you know, the lack of coverage, 0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:44.080 lack of details, the lack of curiosity around this one. 0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:46.000 Because when I saw this break, I was like, Wow, 0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:48.800 what the hell is going on here? And I'm still 0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:50.919 in the place of Wow, what the hell is going 0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:54.680 on here? Because there hasn't been much of any significant, 0:52:54.719 --> 0:52:59.719 like journalistic inquiry into what exactly unfolded, what the circumstances were. 0:53:01.280 --> 0:53:02.719 So Ryan was asking crazy. 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:08.600 Ryan was searching for hope earlier in this episode, and 0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:11.720 we were also searching for people that were meeting the moment. 0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:14.600 And a lot of people have been saying, oh, what 0:53:14.719 --> 0:53:19.000 about all these center right, right wing podcasters who made 0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:23.520 free speech and cancel culture a core part of their message, 0:53:23.520 --> 0:53:26.440 a core part of why they voted for Trump, why 0:53:26.480 --> 0:53:29.920 they supported Trump and the vibe shift, and people were 0:53:29.960 --> 0:53:31.560 a lot of people on the left were saying, Oh, 0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:33.440 these guys are going to duck their heads not meet 0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:37.200 the moment, and so let's see what that side of 0:53:37.280 --> 0:53:40.080 podcasting has been saying first here, I've got a few 0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:43.680 different ones. This one hears from Tim Dillon. This is 0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:46.080 an Instagram story for those just listening, it says on 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:51.600 his Instagram stories, sc commissioner threatening to revoke broadcasting licenses 0:53:51.640 --> 0:53:54.719 has chilling effect on free speech. Ag threatening to go 0:53:54.760 --> 0:53:57.719 after hate speech is a bad sign. When someone has 0:53:57.760 --> 0:54:01.680 a weapon, everyone will use it. I continue to unconditionally 0:54:01.680 --> 0:54:05.440 support Israel and all its actions now and forever. It's 0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:07.000 nice to cover your bases there. 0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:09.239 And he also announced that I couldn't even tell if 0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:13.480 he was joking that he'd been fired from the Saudi. 0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:15.320 Comedy circuit. 0:54:15.520 --> 0:54:18.680 So I's a separate issue that might be keeping the 0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:23.839 down payment, because he did I looked at their website 0:54:24.080 --> 0:54:27.560 and for the coffee, and I don't see him there anymore. 0:54:27.600 --> 0:54:29.960 So I think that might have actually been true, because 0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:32.839 he did his whole monologue where which I Coverden did 0:54:32.880 --> 0:54:35.880 monologue about where he was like, you know, they're paying 0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:36.960 me enough to look away. 0:54:37.080 --> 0:54:38.080 But then he said in. 0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:40.279 The model like if someone's being beaten next to me, 0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:42.480 I'm going to look away. If there's slave labor, I'm 0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:44.239 going to look away. So we sort of named the 0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:48.520 things that Saudi Arabia is doing so I can't. I 0:54:48.520 --> 0:54:51.719 couldn't totally he was joking, but I think he may. 0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:53.520 I think he may have been canceled from the comedy. 0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:55.680 Funniest thing to do is take the down payment and 0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:58.400 get fired. Getting fired is the funniest thing you can do, 0:54:58.480 --> 0:55:00.560 always as a comedian. And that's why I like Tim 0:55:00.640 --> 0:55:02.840 has been unafraid to kind of like poke all sides, 0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:05.880 including like his friends, Like, I mean, he's ripped RFK, 0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.000 he rips Barry all the time. He used to get 0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:09.320 invited to dinners there. 0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:13.200 So he also he also joked I'll be taking the 0:55:13.239 --> 0:55:15.760 down payment and donating it to a foundation that supports 0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:17.359 He's like, I'm just kidding. I'm gonna buy a car. 0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:18.200 Yeah. 0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:20.400 Another see you in Montecito. 0:55:22.200 --> 0:55:25.200 But this one I thought was even more interesting. This 0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:29.240 comes from a barstool of sports podcast Now. The CEO, 0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:33.880 Dave Portnoy, seemed to support the decision, was kind of 0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:36.759 gaslighting people and saying it's not really a big deal. 0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:39.360 It's all about a business decision. But here's one of 0:55:39.400 --> 0:55:41.759 the podcasts under his arm and what they had to say, 0:55:42.040 --> 0:55:42.840 No right now. 0:55:43.280 --> 0:55:47.720 In twenty five at ten oh six on September eighteenth, 0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:50.000 The extreme right are the biggest group of pussies that 0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:53.720 has ever existed for America, A bunch of because people 0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:56.960 with green hair at Starbucks. Because once in a while 0:55:57.280 --> 0:56:00.000 a fucking guy swam against girl. 0:56:00.520 --> 0:56:03.680 You fucking pussies have broken in half. 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:11.560 When in consequence culture Portnoy, who is just waving his 0:56:11.719 --> 0:56:13.840 arms at the right to like him again after the 0:56:13.880 --> 0:56:16.600 thing last week he said it was Trump's fault privately 0:56:16.680 --> 0:56:19.960 publicly that Charlie Kirk died. Now he's like, I gotta 0:56:19.960 --> 0:56:20.960 get them back. I gotta get them back. 0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:26.280 I get them back. I will say it's the Try profile. 0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:29.560 So yeah, and is he getting that? 0:56:29.920 --> 0:56:30.920 Is he just getting anti? 0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:34.759 Just getting anti at the very Yeah, the try profile 0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:37.080 that's still on barstool. 0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:40.359 All right, let's let's we'll look into this. Well, we're 0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:40.759 gonna look. 0:56:41.000 --> 0:56:41.920 I thought he got into it. 0:56:42.120 --> 0:56:43.399 He had me until the end there. 0:56:43.560 --> 0:56:45.480 Yeah, talk about not sticking the landing. 0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:52.320 Yeah, you know Jewish, Yes he's Jewish, Yes he's Jewish. 0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:52.840 Yeah. 0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:58.680 So he just wraps it up with some blatant anti Semitism. 0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:01.600 But he's talking about Portnite and he. 0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:03.959 Says, typical member of the tribe he's just basically saying 0:57:04.040 --> 0:57:04.879 like typical jew. 0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:10.439 So yeah, yeah, all right, so we we lost that one. 0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:14.960 Tim. Tim destuck the landing far better by hailing Israel. 0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:17.840 So we're showing the right way all the wrong way 0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:18.880 of doing this. 0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:22.000 We've smoked out the true anti Semite on breaking points, 0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:23.360 and we all know it's not Griffin. 0:57:23.640 --> 0:57:24.040 Griffin. 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:27.439 Okay, what this is the free half of the show. 0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:29.560 This is the half the Fox News producers watch, Emily. 0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:30.920 This is not okay, they. 0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:33.720 Watched the whole thing that they absolutely watched the whole thing. 0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:38.200 They share one premium sub im. 0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:41.600 I'm a defender. I'm a defender of Jewish people all 0:57:41.640 --> 0:57:42.320 around the world. 0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:45.360 So check the ips of their login. See how many 0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:48.960 people they didn't name drop. Starbucks though, and we I 0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:52.400 had to throw this up here. There's an update here 0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:57.800 from Starbucks. Update Starbucks employees must write Charlie Kirk's name. 0:57:57.920 --> 0:58:00.800 No matter what your names exactly. 0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:03.680 In response to some conversations on social media, Starbucks shared 0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:06.840 the following there are no restrictions on customers using Charlie 0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:09.080 Kirk's name on their order, and we are following up 0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:11.200 with our team, which I just think is such a 0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:15.640 great example, it's like this is the world that they're envisioning, 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:18.880 like that they need a safe space at Starbucks so 0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:22.320 that there was so lib coded the trans barista can 0:58:22.320 --> 0:58:25.760 write Charlie Kirk on it, like, I don't know, I do, I. 0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:27.000 Want to say go ahead. 0:58:27.440 --> 0:58:30.760 I just I when before Starbucks made this decision or whatever, 0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:33.800 I felt really bad for these baristas who are trying 0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:37.880 to navigate like this corporate policy against writing anything political 0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:40.400 on the cups and these customers coming in and like 0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:42.760 berating them and recording them and putting them on. 0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:45.600 Blasts the world. Like I felt, I felt very bad. 0:58:45.400 --> 0:58:47.600 For the barisa that. 0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:49.760 Yeah, I mean, how do you navigate that? 0:58:49.960 --> 0:58:50.160 Right? 0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:52.400 Like your boss is telling you to do one thing, 0:58:52.520 --> 0:58:54.360 and then you've got this customer who like wants to 0:58:54.400 --> 0:58:56.320 make a social media moment of it, and then Lives 0:58:56.360 --> 0:58:58.880 of Talk is gonna is going to send it out 0:58:58.920 --> 0:59:01.640 to the world and make it like you're some evil 0:59:01.680 --> 0:59:04.960 like pro murder lefty or whatever. 0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:06.919 So I yeah, the whole thing was. 0:59:07.040 --> 0:59:14.760 And Portnoy fired uh some intern from barstool because he 0:59:14.880 --> 0:59:20.400 posted condolences to Charlie Kirk on like the Barstool Texas 0:59:20.840 --> 0:59:24.520 account or something, and he fired him, saying that you're 0:59:24.560 --> 0:59:27.040 not allowed to do politics, doesn't matter what. 0:59:27.880 --> 0:59:30.520 Yeah, you see this, Yeah, I didn't see that either. 0:59:30.960 --> 0:59:32.360 I didn't see that. That seems weird. 0:59:33.520 --> 0:59:37.720 And Portnoy said, I always hated this kid. He knows 0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:40.120 you're not supposed to do politics on the account. It's 0:59:40.120 --> 0:59:43.120 not about what he said, it's these are these are accounts, 0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:45.600 it's not his personal account. It's not supposed to do politics. 0:59:46.120 --> 0:59:48.960 He had the kid had posted like basically thoughts and 0:59:49.000 --> 0:59:54.320 prayers for Charlie Kirk from the Texas barstool account. So, 0:59:54.480 --> 0:59:56.520 but they have a very strict rule no politics from 0:59:56.560 --> 1:00:00.600 the account. So to Chrystal's point, if you're bar Easton 1:00:00.720 --> 1:00:03.880 and they say no politics on the cup and somebody 1:00:03.920 --> 1:00:06.200 asked you to do put a political gesture on the cup, 1:00:06.960 --> 1:00:11.320 you say no, then you get filmed and now you're 1:00:11.560 --> 1:00:14.800 on limbs of TikTok, and so, yeah, Starbucks kind of 1:00:15.320 --> 1:00:17.280 put them in a bad situation. I agree with you there. 1:00:18.000 --> 1:00:22.040 Yeah, I mean, I also just want to say, because 1:00:22.080 --> 1:00:26.360 I genuinely think this is important that when something happens 1:00:26.360 --> 1:00:30.800 to somebody who's in the media space, I think as 1:00:30.800 --> 1:00:33.960 Probabilia also explains why Dean Weathers, for example, had such 1:00:34.000 --> 1:00:37.560 a visceral reaction after but really though different, like after 1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:39.120 it happened, did you see Wethers vase? 1:00:39.760 --> 1:00:42.120 For those don't know, Dean Withers is like Dean Withers 1:00:42.200 --> 1:00:47.640 is a very young zoomer liberal TikTok debater, and he was. 1:00:47.640 --> 1:00:58.960 I mean, it was, oh there, it is okay, yeah. 1:00:56.520 --> 1:00:58.800 But anyway, what I was gonna say is for me, 1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:02.680 like as someone who did not know Charlie Kirk nearly, 1:01:02.720 --> 1:01:05.000 as well as a lot of people who are in 1:01:05.040 --> 1:01:07.560 the media who were very very close with him, like 1:01:07.600 --> 1:01:10.480 in right wing media who are like very very very 1:01:10.520 --> 1:01:15.080 close with him, were This is just all I'm trying 1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:18.360 to say here is not defending any like censoriousness or whatever, 1:01:18.400 --> 1:01:21.480 but just to say that I have been trying to 1:01:21.560 --> 1:01:24.320 extend a lot of grace to people, and hopefully that 1:01:24.360 --> 1:01:26.760 people have extended some grace to me, because that was 1:01:27.560 --> 1:01:30.320 like a collective trauma for people on the right who 1:01:30.320 --> 1:01:32.520 are really close to Charlie Kirk and are now the 1:01:32.560 --> 1:01:35.800 ones that find themselves in positions to be like in 1:01:35.840 --> 1:01:37.520 the public space discussing it. 1:01:37.680 --> 1:01:40.560 So I hope that some of this dies down. I 1:01:40.560 --> 1:01:42.040 don't think all of it will die down. 1:01:42.160 --> 1:01:44.040 But I did just want to say that, like, if 1:01:44.200 --> 1:01:47.680 something God forbid happened to like someone on the left, 1:01:48.080 --> 1:01:50.280 I do think we would also be seeing some of 1:01:50.320 --> 1:01:55.240 this like deep visceral anger that's like feels really raw. 1:01:55.360 --> 1:01:57.440 And again I'm not saying that's going to go away. 1:01:57.480 --> 1:01:59.000 I don't think it is, but I do just want 1:01:59.000 --> 1:02:01.640 to say, like I just knowing some of these guys, 1:02:02.440 --> 1:02:07.320 what this did to them psychologically was incredibly hard and 1:02:07.400 --> 1:02:10.200 I can't imagine. Again, I wasn't like a close personal 1:02:10.200 --> 1:02:12.120 friend of Charlie Kirks, but a lot of people that 1:02:12.160 --> 1:02:13.480 I am close friends with were. 1:02:13.800 --> 1:02:17.160 And it's just. 1:02:16.080 --> 1:02:18.880 So anyway, just a word to say, I think some 1:02:18.960 --> 1:02:20.480 of it will go away. I don't think all of 1:02:20.480 --> 1:02:23.880 it will go away. And it's just been crazy. 1:02:24.000 --> 1:02:25.120 I think that's a fair point. 1:02:25.520 --> 1:02:27.280 I don't extend that point to the President of the 1:02:27.360 --> 1:02:31.000 United States, though, And that's who that's fair, you know. 1:02:31.080 --> 1:02:33.640 Is because because he showed that he had no emotional. 1:02:33.320 --> 1:02:34.320 Reaction, that he doesn't care. 1:02:34.840 --> 1:02:36.600 Yeah, I mean, yeah, he was not. How are you 1:02:36.640 --> 1:02:39.960 doing I'm doing great, I'm doing great. My renovation is 1:02:39.960 --> 1:02:43.160 going fantastic, you know. So you know, and I don't 1:02:43.160 --> 1:02:45.360 know how capable he is of human emotions on the 1:02:45.640 --> 1:02:48.480 best of days, but whatever, I mean, And so that's 1:02:48.760 --> 1:02:54.240 that's like, it's one thing, okay, a cultural phenomenal, random influencers. 1:02:54.440 --> 1:02:56.840 You know, I still think you're a person with a platform, 1:02:56.840 --> 1:02:59.520 you still have responsibility. Certainly, I don't think grace would 1:02:59.520 --> 1:03:01.680 be applied in their direction. Not that that should dictate 1:03:01.680 --> 1:03:03.160 what you do whatever, But that's one thing. 1:03:03.920 --> 1:03:05.760 The Presidente's a good example. 1:03:06.680 --> 1:03:08.920 The President of the United States is using this as 1:03:08.960 --> 1:03:12.360 a chance to crack down right in any number of 1:03:12.400 --> 1:03:16.000 ways on media figures, media outlets he doesn't like, on 1:03:16.880 --> 1:03:19.600 left wing groups. You've got Steven Miller, who's like basically 1:03:19.680 --> 1:03:21.440 the real president of the United States, who is out 1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:24.080 there are vertly like, we are going to use this 1:03:24.200 --> 1:03:28.720 aggressively to go after all of our political enemies, and 1:03:28.880 --> 1:03:31.480 they will. I mean, that's I I believe them when 1:03:31.520 --> 1:03:33.560 they when they say that, and they are already taking 1:03:33.600 --> 1:03:37.160 steps in that direction. So you know, my, my, my 1:03:37.280 --> 1:03:41.360 grace said, I can extend to individuals who who directly 1:03:41.440 --> 1:03:43.959 knew Charlie and are impacted by this on a personal level, 1:03:44.320 --> 1:03:46.160 does not extend to the President of the United States, 1:03:46.200 --> 1:03:48.280 who was supposed to represent all of us and is 1:03:48.320 --> 1:03:51.120 probably the worst person I could possibly imagine to be 1:03:51.200 --> 1:03:52.920 the president at a moment such as this. 1:03:54.200 --> 1:03:58.640 Yeah, and before we go to the premium, one other point, 1:03:59.720 --> 1:04:02.080 I think I think the audience correctly sussed out that 1:04:02.080 --> 1:04:06.680 that that the trauma that Emily is talking about having 1:04:06.760 --> 1:04:09.560 hit people close to him, but also people in the 1:04:09.600 --> 1:04:14.600 broad kind of ecosystem also does you know, bleed out 1:04:15.600 --> 1:04:18.760 into people on the progressive side too, like you and 1:04:18.800 --> 1:04:23.760 I think that just you know, psychically, psychologically, people like 1:04:23.880 --> 1:04:27.600 me in Crystal and Hassan and anybody who's kind of 1:04:27.640 --> 1:04:30.920 like a public figure, you know, saw themselves in that. 1:04:31.040 --> 1:04:33.040 And I and I then I and I think the 1:04:33.080 --> 1:04:36.240 audience is right to you'll kind of be to be 1:04:36.360 --> 1:04:39.520 worry of the of that fact, like understand that we're 1:04:40.120 --> 1:04:44.360 that our analysis flows out of out of that bias 1:04:44.880 --> 1:04:48.600 and so that that I but I don't think there's 1:04:48.640 --> 1:04:51.760 you'd have to be just this you know, stone cold, 1:04:52.680 --> 1:04:55.440 non not human person for it to be any different, 1:04:55.440 --> 1:04:57.480 and that's not who we are any either. 1:04:59.720 --> 1:05:01.120 Yeah, that's a good point. 1:05:02.760 --> 1:05:05.160 Well, on that note, folks, we are going to get 1:05:05.160 --> 1:05:06.560 into a lot of other fun stuff here in the 1:05:06.600 --> 1:05:11.640 second half, we're gonna be analyzing breaking down the Candice 1:05:11.680 --> 1:05:16.680 Owens new released photo of the shooter, Tyler Robinson alleged shooter, 1:05:17.560 --> 1:05:19.320 and we're gonna be getting to a few other stories. 1:05:19.360 --> 1:05:21.480 If you want to see all that and ask us 1:05:21.560 --> 1:05:24.240 questions in the AMA, you can sign up at breakingpoints 1:05:24.640 --> 1:05:28.320 dot com to uh support us and our independent journalism. 1:05:28.600 --> 1:05:31.440 We don't read ads, we don't take money from anybody. 1:05:31.600 --> 1:05:34.240 It's all you guys, and we'll see you there on 1:05:34.280 --> 1:05:35.000 the second half.