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Speaker 3: Hey everybody, Happy Friday.

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Speaker 2: It could be either both all of the above, you know,

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Speaker 2: welcoming people in. Yes, I got us in trouble last Friday,

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Speaker 6: We're tightening it up. We've got to makeup on. We're

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Speaker 7: We're gonna call him down. And and how we objectify

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Speaker 7: our nation's assassins.

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Speaker 8: And Ryan combed his hair.

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Speaker 2: There was a bunch of reaction last night on the

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Speaker 2: late night shows to the firing of our indefinite suspension

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Speaker 2: of Jimmy Kimmel. I guess it's not clear that he's

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Speaker 2: canceled for good, so wanted to get into some of that.

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Speaker 2: We got some new Trump comments, We've got updates with

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Speaker 2: regard to Israel Netanyahu directly denying that he had anything

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Speaker 2: to do with Charlie Kirk's death, and some new information

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Speaker 2: brought to light by Candae Owens. A new picture that

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Speaker 2: she released that is allegedly of Tyler Robinson hours after

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Speaker 2: the killing accur and he's still sort of like hanging

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Speaker 2: around in the area at a dairy queen. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: we'll probably get to that in the premium section.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, really interesting, obviously, really interesting story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, And shows him wearing like a combination

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Speaker 3: Some people speculate it could be AI.

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Speaker 2: We don't have timestamp all of those sorts of things,

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Speaker 2: regard to that investigation.

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Speaker 6: Yep, another fast food killer, apparently just like Luigi with

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Speaker 6: the McDonald's. So let's start with Trump's comments here about

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Speaker 6: Jimmy Kimmel.

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Speaker 8: Why don't we you'll?

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Speaker 9: Vice President Vance said the pre speech is under attack

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Speaker 9: in the UK. Do you agree with him? And Prime

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Speaker 9: Minister we saw dismissal of a very well known chat

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Speaker 9: show hosting America last night. Mister Kimmel, is pre speech

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Speaker 9: more under attack in Britain or America.

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Speaker 10: Well, Jimmy Kimmel was right because he had bad ratings

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Speaker 10: more than anything else, and he said a horrible thing

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Speaker 10: Kimmel is not a talented person. He had very bad ratings.

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Speaker 10: Have fired him a long time ago. So you know,

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Speaker 10: you can call that free speech or not. He was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't gotten you guys, take at least on

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Speaker 5: You know, I probably am in the position of like

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Speaker 5: out throughout this conversation because I think with Kimmel the

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Speaker 5: timing is is obviously an appearance of conflict of interest,

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Speaker 4: But also my position is that the FCC.

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Speaker 5: Either should not exist or this particular power of the

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Speaker 5: And the last thing on that point that I'll say

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Speaker 5: FCC commissioner. If you see NBC News or wherever lying

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Speaker 5: our way into another Iraq war, saying we could do

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Speaker 5: I don't think the job owning is that like significant.

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Speaker 5: I do think that the merger question is absolutely significant.

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Speaker 5: The next our merger question is absolutely significant. But my

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Speaker 5: basic point on this is that I think the corporations

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Speaker 5: like their opportunities. The market was catching up with Kimmel,

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Speaker 5: the market was catching up with Colbert. He wasn't turning

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Speaker 5: Colbert wasn't turning a profit. I would be shocked if

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Speaker 5: look what we're doing here. So that's that's kind of

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Speaker 5: my take overall, but I'm sure we'll have other disagreements.

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Speaker 7: What do you think, Ryan, I disagree basically all of

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Speaker 7: have any way of knowing whether or not Colbert or

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Speaker 7: any of these people are profitable. You see this claim

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Speaker 7: it's not like there's so much more to that and

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Speaker 7: Like companies are usually fine to fire, you know, to

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Speaker 7: They don't need the government to push them. But I

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Speaker 7: especially when it is directly connected to an explicit threat.

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Speaker 7: You Brennan Carr of the FCC told ABC, you need

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Speaker 7: a explicit threat of government action unless they take action

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Speaker 7: platforms and flagging I don't think I don't like this

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Speaker 7: that down. The reason is a problem is not because

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Speaker 7: but the awesome power of the federal government needs to

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Speaker 7: be checked by the constitution. And that's why the FBI

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Speaker 7: an implicit threat. Big fat, beefy Italian guy comes in.

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Speaker 7: The Twitter file, right, Yeah, Hey, he's just hey, just

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Speaker 7: even have to say back off of the Twitter files

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Speaker 2: And they also, by the way, Brendon Carr and his comments,

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Speaker 2: So he says that and threatens ABC.

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Speaker 3: Next thing.

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Speaker 2: Next Star says, Okay, no problem, we're going to We're

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Speaker 4: Those are catastrophically bad numbers for Kimball. Some of this

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Speaker 6: to a certain extent, comedy is supposed to be illegal.

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Speaker 6: It's supposed to feel illegal. It's supposed to feel like, oh,

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Speaker 6: We've got new comments here from Trump on the Air

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Speaker 6: Force one about sort of his larger plans or thoughts

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Speaker 11: That's something that you'd be talking about for licensing too.

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Speaker 12: You go back.

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Speaker 11: I guess I haven't had a concerput going in years

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Speaker 4: Somebody said when you.

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Speaker 11: Go back kick a Look, Well they do is job.

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Speaker 13: Ye're license, They're not allowed.

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Speaker 9: To do that.

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Speaker 11: They're an arm of the Democrat parties.

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Speaker 11: Everybody fly safely. You know why to say that, because

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Speaker 11: I'm on the flight I want to get Otherwise.

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't care he's on the flight, or otherwise he

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Speaker 7: That would be a good joke. We know we know

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Speaker 5: He also keeps saying from his first post to just

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Speaker 7: Well, maybe maybe they should just not just bring him

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Speaker 5: And what might solve the entire problem is if they

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Speaker 4: He would love that job.

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Speaker 2: I would make that du remember that time on the

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Speaker 2: campaign trail, he like they just like stood in silence

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Speaker 2: and swayed to ave Marie or something like that.

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Speaker 7: That was great stuff, that was amazing.

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Speaker 3: Some real's a realist content.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you call that, but I do

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Speaker 2: want to focus in on what he said there, which

447
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Speaker 2: he specifically said, they hit Trump every night.

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Speaker 3: That's not allowed.

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Speaker 2: It's like, literally in America, you are allowed to criticize

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Speaker 2: the president of the United States. That's like kind of

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Speaker 2: the whole deal here, Like that's a big part of

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Speaker 2: what we're all about. And as I said before, makes

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Speaker 2: it plain not only that the real problem he had

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Speaker 2: wasn't you know something he said about Charlie Kirk's killer.

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Speaker 2: It was about the criticism of him, which is why

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Speaker 2: he had previously said, hey, Jimmy Kimmel's next had been

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Speaker 2: calling for his ouster. And also why you've now got

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Speaker 2: you know, Brendan and and he said, who did he

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Speaker 2: say is next?

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Fallon or Steven.

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Speaker 4: Gilmer and and Seth Meyer.

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Speaker 2: And Seth Meyer and then and then you have Brendan

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Speaker 2: Carr coming after the view and you know, putting them

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Speaker 2: in the in the spotlight and the view notably and

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Speaker 2: this is like pretty shameful. They didn't talk about this

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Speaker 2: topic yesterday on their show at all. So and that's

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Speaker 2: the point. The point isn't just to get a scalp

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Speaker 2: in terms of Jimmy Kimmel. The point is to send

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Speaker 2: the message out to everyone that you better watch it,

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Speaker 2: you better be careful, because you step over wherever that

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Speaker 2: invisible line is, you get a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: you know, online conservative backlash going.

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Speaker 3: And that's it.

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Speaker 2: Your companies, your corporate executives, they're not going to have

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Speaker 2: your back.

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Speaker 3: They are not going to have your back. You are

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Speaker 3: on your own.

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Speaker 2: And that message, whether or not Kimmel comes back at

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Speaker 2: some point or doesn't come back, whatever, that message has

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Speaker 2: been sent. And the fact that the view said nothing

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Speaker 2: about this yesterday, I think shows you the chill that

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Speaker 2: has already been instilled, at least in you know, in

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Speaker 2: many journalists, personalities, comedians across the board, the.

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Speaker 6: Minions across the board will go for it. Emily, why

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Speaker 6: I pull this clip up? I do a Colbert clip

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Speaker 6: I want to pull up next.

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Speaker 5: I was saying, if if I were Democrats right now,

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Speaker 5: I would like immediately be looking at ways to defang

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Speaker 5: the FCC and force Republicans to defend the power of

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Speaker 5: the FCC, because the FCC gives what's called like news exemptions.

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Speaker 5: Howard Stern, for example, got his quote news exemption. So

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Speaker 5: this is like it goes years and years, and it's

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Speaker 5: been used in ways that we've become accustomed to because

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Speaker 5: like many things before, we had this crazy moment ten

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Speaker 5: plus years ago. I guess now in the US we

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Speaker 5: didn't think about the tools, or we hadn't thought about

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Speaker 5: the tools in this way for like twenty thirty years,

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Speaker 5: and now Republicans haven't watched the media, especially with Trump.

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Speaker 5: But like saying, going back over the last whatever thirty years,

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Speaker 5: the way that conservatives were covered are saying, well, hey,

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Speaker 5: there's this public interest tool in the FCC's toolkit, and

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Speaker 5: that's there. So while all of these levers are being pulled,

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Speaker 5: why not take a look at the public interest part

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Speaker 5: of it. Why not say, why not take away the

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Speaker 5: quote news exemption from some of these these broadcasters and

506
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Speaker 5: make it so that they do have to do equal

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Speaker 5: time because what Trump said there where he was like,

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Speaker 5: you have to it's not allowed to just bash Trump

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Speaker 5: night after night. If they if they have their news exemption,

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Speaker 5: maybe the FCC takes that away and then says, actually

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Speaker 5: it's not allowed. You have to do equal time, and

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Speaker 5: all of that was like as a business model, doesn't

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Speaker 5: really even make sense anymore. So if I were Democrats,

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Speaker 5: I would make Republicans start defending the new Deal FCC

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Speaker 5: because that would get I honestly think it's pretty good

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Speaker 5: case for abolishing the FCC, the way that we licensed

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Speaker 5: broadcaster wives and all of that.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, beside the point, well, I.

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Speaker 6: Mean, got feld needs equal time, get me out.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't count because it's cable, but like the broadcast.

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Speaker 6: Okay, gotcha, gotcha, but which most people I don't think

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Speaker 6: distinguish a difference between, Like the average person just views

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Speaker 6: this as just like a freedom of speech thing without

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Speaker 6: the intricacies like all that that's broadcast.

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Speaker 8: This is cable, like, you know.

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Speaker 7: The The problem there is that this isn't really on

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Speaker 7: the up and up. It's not as if they have

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Speaker 7: a genuine concern about public interest and they're going to

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Speaker 7: use the remedies existing around the public interest rule. What

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Speaker 7: they're saying is we don't like what you said, and

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Speaker 7: we're going to connect it to this other thing, this

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Speaker 7: merger that you want that your parent company wants, and

533
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Speaker 7: We're going to use the threat of blocking this merger,

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Speaker 7: not because we think it's anti competitive, not because we

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Speaker 7: don't like the merger on the merits, but as power

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Speaker 7: to get you to do what we want. So looking

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Speaker 7: at the rules implies that this is being done on

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Speaker 7: the up and up through the rule book, and it's

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Speaker 7: and it's not. It's just being done with with raw power.

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Speaker 6: So many people are saying, what are Jimmy Kimmel's colleagues

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Speaker 6: going to say? What is John Stewart, What is John

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Speaker 6: Oliver going to say? So We've got a clip here

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Speaker 6: from Stephen Colbert that we like to play here. See

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Speaker 6: if it met the moment.

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Speaker 13: I'm your host, Stephen Colbert. But tonight we are all

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Speaker 13: Jimmy Kimmel.

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Speaker 11: I am.

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Speaker 8: I still have a show though.

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Speaker 14: Right yesterday, after threats from Trump's FCC chair, ABC yanked

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Speaker 14: Kimmel off the air indefinitely.

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Speaker 13: That is blatant censorship. And it always starts small.

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Speaker 14: You know, remember like in week one of his presidency,

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Speaker 14: helf of America, call it Gulf of America. Sure seems harmless,

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Speaker 14: but with an autocrat you cannot give an inch.

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Speaker 13: And if ABC thinks, if ABC thinks that this is

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Speaker 13: going to satisfy the regime.

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Speaker 14: They are woefully naive and clearly they've never read the

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Speaker 14: children's book.

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Speaker 13: If you give a mouse a Kimmel and and and

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Speaker 13: to Jimmy and to Jimmy, just let me say, I

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Speaker 13: stand with you and your staff one hundred percent. And

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Speaker 13: also you couldn't let me enjoy this for like one week?

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Speaker 8: All right, if you give him mouse?

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Speaker 6: Kim ol Ryan loved that one. That there's the key demo, folks,

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Speaker 6: there's the.

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Speaker 3: Jen X enough.

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Speaker 7: I'm sort I think I'm in the demo.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 7: I need to start watching these late night shows.

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Speaker 6: So did you guys watch these late night reactions? Do

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Speaker 6: do we find that this met the moment? Because I

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Speaker 6: was struck by these feeling very similar to other just

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Speaker 6: Trump takedowns in terms of tone and energy.

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Speaker 8: What did you guys make of it? So?

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Speaker 3: I think what they were lacking.

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Speaker 2: I mean, on the one hand, I'm sympathetic because it's

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Speaker 2: hard to make comedy about something that, you know, like

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Speaker 2: to have a topic and be like, I'm going to

579
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Speaker 2: make a joke about this. And yet they're mandate on

580
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Speaker 2: the show obviously is not just to do political commentary,

581
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Speaker 2: but to make it funny, and it's a difficult thing

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Speaker 2: to be able to nail sympathetic there. It's certainly not

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Speaker 2: something I could pull off. I think what they were

584
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Speaker 2: all lacking is some.

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Speaker 3: Sort of a call to action.

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Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, you don't like it, and you're saying, oh,

587
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Speaker 2: this won't affect my performance, and maybe it will, maybe

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Speaker 2: it won't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't even.

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Speaker 2: Think like, as an individual human being, you're not even

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Speaker 2: really fully equipped to assess your own ability to withstand

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Speaker 2: that pressure, cause you don't know the way things are

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Speaker 2: subtly influencing you, If that makes sense, which is why

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Speaker 2: you have to why we've worked hard to insulate ourselves

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Speaker 2: from different pressures that are we can't anticipate. But there

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Speaker 2: was no like, Okay, that's why we need to That's

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Speaker 2: why we need to boycott.

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Speaker 3: That's why we're going on strike.

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Speaker 2: That's why you know, that's why Democrats need to break

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Speaker 2: up these giant conglomerates. Like maybe it's too much to

601
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Speaker 2: put that on them, but I think people are looking

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Speaker 2: at them for like some sort of leadership, since this

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Speaker 2: is their industry and these are really influential, powerful wealthy

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Speaker 2: people at this point and there was none of that.

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Speaker 2: It's just sort of like, you know, Republicans are hypocrites. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we can see that. You know, we're not happy about

607
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Speaker 2: what happened with Kimmel. That's obvious. And I think the

608
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Speaker 2: other thing that's always difficult with Trump is because we've

609
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Speaker 2: had this is far from the first threat to the

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Speaker 2: First Amendment from this administration, even literally in this week.

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Speaker 2: So when you've talked about these things before, it also

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Speaker 2: becomes difficult to separate from previous concerns from this moment

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Speaker 2: and to really sort of like put a pin in

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Speaker 2: what makes this particular action different, more extraordinary, more troubling, darker,

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Speaker 2: more sinister than previous things that we've thought about and

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Speaker 2: talked about with Trump.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert are really awful free

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Speaker 5: speech martyrs for like the left in these cases, because

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Speaker 5: they're at heart corporate Dems who have coasted on really

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Speaker 5: lazy comedy and started driving some of these formats like

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Speaker 5: into the ground unnecessarily show, unnecessarily so, and it's like

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Speaker 5: hard to I think it's hard for people like rally.

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Speaker 4: Around these I agree, Emily and like company men.

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Speaker 6: I agree only because also It's like liberals have a

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Speaker 6: lot of times turned the blind eye to other freedom

626
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Speaker 6: of speech issues over the last two years. I mean, like,

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Speaker 6: had they covered the crackdowns from both Biden and Trump

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Speaker 6: on Palestine protest freedom of speech? Like I see so

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Speaker 6: many people in LA have Colbert.

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Speaker 4: And Kimmel talked about that.

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Speaker 6: That's a really I mean, I mean maybe, yeah, Stewart

632
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Speaker 6: has for sure, But I don't know. I am a

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Speaker 6: little struck by, like a lot of liberals that I

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Speaker 6: see online coming out for the first time about freedom

635
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Speaker 6: of speech after two years of disastrous freedom of speech.

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Speaker 6: But it's like, oh, when it's like a multi millionaire

637
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Speaker 6: like white host of the Late Night Show, that's when

638
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Speaker 6: it matters. Obviously, it's he's a more famous person, it's

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Speaker 6: gonna make a bigger impact. But yeah, if you haven't

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Speaker 6: been talking about freedom of speech in a lot of

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Speaker 6: other areas, and let's say a lot of these were

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Speaker 6: front page news stories, you like to miss Mahmoud Khalil,

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Speaker 6: that's a front page story, Like that's not like, oh, sorry,

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Speaker 6: I didn't turn to the third page to see that.

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Speaker 2: Let me defend not you know, Colbert and these people

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Speaker 2: who I haven't watched, I genuinely don't know. I don't

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Speaker 2: suspect that they said anything about that, but I don't

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Speaker 2: actually know for sure. But let me defend the Libs

649
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Speaker 2: a little bit here, which is to say, number one,

650
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Speaker 2: Democrats overwhelmingly, you know, oppose what's happening in Gaza, have

651
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Speaker 2: opposed the crackdown on you know, on speech on campus.

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Speaker 2: Like that movement comes from the left, and you know,

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Speaker 2: it's most more leftists, but also left liberal.

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Speaker 3: So there's that.

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Speaker 2: The other thing I would say is, again like I was,

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Speaker 2: and Ryan was at odds with a lot of liberals

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Speaker 2: in terms of their you know, ignoring an acceptance and

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Speaker 2: pushing actively cancel culture and trampling out her speech and

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Speaker 2: censorship and in all of that.

660
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Speaker 3: Right, So I wasn't on the same page with them there.

661
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: However, I will say, both in terms of the substance

662
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: and in terms of the state mechanisms, this is different. Right,

663
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: Like with the Twitter file stuff, what the Biden administration

664
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: was messaging to you know, these social media companies about

665
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: was COVID misinformation that they felt like genuinely was going

666
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: to cause people to lose their lives. Right, So now

667
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: we all felt like Okay, First of all, a lot

668
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: of these accounts are tiny accounts, Like it's not going

669
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: to make that big of a difriends. You guys have

670
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: been wrong about a bunch of stuff with COVID. We

671
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: don't want a ministry of truth. Just by sending these

672
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 2: messages and having these meetings, you're exerting extraordinary pressure pressure.

673
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: But I don't want to pretend like the COVID misinformation

674
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: and this like lame comment from Jimmy Kimmel are remotely

675
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: the same, because they're not right. So the content is different.

676
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 2: And then, as Ryan was laying out before, the government

677
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: action is different as well. So here you have an

678
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: explicit threat and it comes in the context of a

679
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: Trump administration that has used every opportunity, real and imagined

680
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 2: crises to crush descent, crack down, grab power, and has truly,

681
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: I mean that truly is an authoritarian threat to the

682
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: country and to democracy. So I even as I again

683
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: was not on the same page as the liberals, you

684
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: can go and back and look at my support of

685
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: the Harper's letter and coverage of the Twitter.

686
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 3: Files and all of that.

687
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, even though I wasn't on their side there, Like

688
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: I think it is fair to say this administration, what

689
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: they're doing now is genuinely different than what anything we

690
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: saw under the Biden administration. I don't think it even

691
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: came close. And that's before we even talk about like

692
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: scrubbing people's social media and you know, for whether or

693
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: not they can have a visa and deporting them without

694
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: due process, and you know the massive crackdown over speech

695
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 2: on Palestine, et cetera. So that's what I would say

696
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: in defense of the libs its the I.

697
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 5: Think you always have to take what Trump is saying,

698
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 5: even if he doesn't mean it literally, you have to

699
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 5: take it seriously because when you have the President of

700
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 5: the United States threatening broadcast licenses, and even if it's

701
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 5: just quote jaw boning, I think you do have to

702
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 5: take it seriously, especially when it comes with threats from

703
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 5: the FCC and when you see compliance. So I actually

704
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 5: think the way that Trent talks about broadcast licenses is insane.

705
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: And when they have a track record of weaponizing the

706
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: government to punish universities, law firms, immigrants, students, anyone that

707
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: they don't like. When he's coming out and issuing a

708
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 2: you know, statement saying hey, we're going to make ANTIFO,

709
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: which is like, you know, an ideology a terrorist organization

710
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 2: and threatening people who are just pro Palestine with being

711
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: providing material support to terrorism. Like that's the record of

712
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: this administration, So it's not an idle threat. We all

713
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: know that they have weaponized the entire federal government in

714
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: every way that they can think of in order to

715
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: coerce and crush dissent and consolidate power. So that is

716
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: a very different landscape than what we've dealt with before.

717
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 5: The other thing I was to say is I do

718
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 5: think some moves from Dems and the Biden administration, and

719
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 5: this doesn't have to become a tip for tap thing.

720
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,959
Speaker 5: I do think things like the Global Engagement Center, which

721
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 5: it's hypocritical for Marko Ruby to shut it down and

722
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 5: like he's a champion of a free speech obviously given

723
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 5: what's happened with Visas and other students. But in that case,

724
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 5: the State Department was funding blacklists of conservative media outlets,

725
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 5: and not even just conservative media outlets, but like literally

726
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 5: Unheard found its way onto a global disinformation index that

727
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 5: was funded by the State Department.

728
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 4: The Equality Act.

729
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 5: Which almost every Democrat supports, would have serious ramifications for

730
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 5: free speech because of the way that it reads gender

731
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 5: identity into sex, and the same thing was true of

732
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 5: the way the Obama administrations in the Bible Biden administrations

733
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 5: wielded Title nine. So it's some of that stuff I

734
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 5: think was enormously significant in ways that it's frustrating because

735
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 5: the Colbert you know, who's now a free speech martyr

736
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 5: and Kimmel is a free speech martyr, don't give a

737
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 5: damn about They don't care, and some of the people

738
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 5: who are supporting them don't care and never did. The

739
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 5: media barely covered the Global Engagement Center story like it

740
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 5: wasn't really anything, And there are other examples that we

741
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 5: could point to I actually I agree.

742
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 4: I don't think the COVID one is apples to apples.

743
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 4: I think it's apples to oranges.

744
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 5: But I do think there were other ones where we

745
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 5: saw both the Obama and buy An administrations weaponizing their

746
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 5: power to go after journalists and you know, or not

747
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 5: not just journalists, but to go after speech. Actually, Ryan

748
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 5: the James Rising case from the Obama administration and the

749
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 5: James Rosen case from the Obama administration are examples of

750
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 5: that too, But in those cases, most of the media

751
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 5: was pretty defensive of Rising, if I'm remembering correctly.

752
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, And Risen started late Bush and then went into Obama.

753
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 7: And so it was this bipartisan attempt to get He

754
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 7: was a New York Times reporter who had exposed some

755
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 7: of the NSA's spying reporting that was then later confirmed

756
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 7: by Edward Snowden's leaks, and they were threatening to put

757
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 7: him in prison in order to get him to reveal

758
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 7: his sources. And eventually Obama backed off because he was

759
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 7: you know, he was the kind of person that elites

760
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 7: could pressure and say, your constitutional scholar, bro, like your

761
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 7: law professor, like what are you doing?

762
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 8: All right? Fine?

763
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 7: And and so he never ended up going to prison.

764
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 7: But you know, A Chrystal and I both warned, you know,

765
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 7: throughout the teens and early twenties that what the left

766
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 7: was doing might be constitutional because it's private stuff. You know,

767
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 7: you're just bull you're bullying, you're the mob is bullying

768
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 7: some company to fire a person or get rid of them.

769
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 7: But that it was still a roade, you know, it

770
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Speaker 7: was still e roding of the First Amendment. That the

771
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 7: First Amendment is is has a letter and it has

772
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 7: a spirit. And while it might not have been violating

773
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 7: the letter of it, it was violating the spirit of it.

774
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 7: And amendments that are on the books but that aren't

775
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 7: respected by the cultural spirit aren't worth what they're written on.

776
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 7: Look at the Fourth Amendment, no illegal search and seizure, Well,

777
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 7: how's that. How's that working out for us? It's still

778
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 7: written there, but because spiritually we kind of abandon it,

779
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 7: then nobody follows it anymore. And so that's why people

780
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 7: like Glenn and Crystal and I were all saying, no,

781
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 7: you've got to draw the line here and protect it

782
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 7: in spirit, not just in letter, because you're not always

783
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 7: going to be in power, and in a lot of

784
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 7: cases like Trump was president at the time, and when

785
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 7: you fully lose power, look, you know it's it's going

786
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 7: to ratchet further. The most hopeful thing I've seen, which

787
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 7: is probably too hopeful, is that the right is going

788
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 7: to have its outrageous spasm of cancel culture. It's going

789
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 7: to use the tools and the power of government to

790
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 7: censor speech, taking cancel culture on to the next level.

791
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 7: But it's going to fall apart because the American people

792
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 7: when they vote in elections. A lot of the political

793
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 7: science says they're not really actually moved by what the

794
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 7: media and what commercials say, Like that's just that's a

795
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 7: that's a fraction of how people vote. What they vote

796
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 7: on is the underlying material conditions of their lives, which

797
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 7: are rapidly deteriorating under Trump. So his effort to like

798
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 7: do a Turkey air Towan or Hungarian like consolidation of

799
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 7: the media to hold on to power may not work

800
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 7: because we're so federalized, and because people vote based on

801
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 7: how they you know, and Democratic Party is the oldest

802
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 7: political party in the world history, so people know that

803
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 7: they don't know what it stands for, but they know

804
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 7: what exists, and so if they're not happy with the

805
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 7: conditions that they're living in, they know that they can

806
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 7: vote for this other party. What is that party going

807
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 7: to do? God only knows. They're not telling us, but

808
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 7: at least they're not the party in power, so that

809
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 7: could still happen. And then at that point, maybe both

810
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 7: the left and the right are like, Okay, we're wrong,

811
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 7: let's do an amnesty and a truce on this cancel

812
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 7: culture stuff.

813
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: No I mean no, I mean let me well, and

814
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: we yeah, right, we don't pretend like cancel culture started

815
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: with like you know, liberals in the like Hillary Clinton era,

816
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 2: and that's just not true.

817
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: Like think back to the two post two thousand and.

818
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: One, I mean, and yeah, go back to McCarthy even

819
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: the early nineties, like all the little moral panics about

820
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: rap lyrics and stuff like that.

821
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 7: Like there was John Adams throwing French aligned people.

822
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 8: Oh so true.

823
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: As original sin on on First Amendment there, I mean,

824
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 2: it's actually Jesus yep, there you.

825
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 8: Go, original podcaster.

826
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: But I mean, so, I like, I have to tell

827
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 2: you guys, I feel I don't feel scared or angry.

828
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: I actually just feel depressed because I like, let's play

829
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: this sound a little bit, okay, and let's keep in

830
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 2: mind you guys, Ryan and em only you guys covered

831
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: this week. Also this consolidation of media institutions in the

832
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: hands of Trump aligned figures and Zionists, the Ellison's you

833
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 2: know there, So you're going to have CBS, potentially CNN, HBO.

834
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 2: You know Twitter is already owned by Elon TikTok coming

835
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 2: under that umbrella too.

836
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 8: So yeah, you have got a breakdown of view of

837
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 8: these crystal for you while you're talking.

838
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: Okay, if you want to throw that up on the screen.

839
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 2: And so you talk about orbon, I mean this is orbon.

840
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 2: This is like a speed run of Orbonism, which from

841
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: my study, took longer to consolidate than you know this

842
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: has in the second Trump administration. And then what do

843
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: you do with the remaining mainstream, you know, establishment institutions.

844
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: You do what you did with Jimmy Kimmel. You said

845
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 2: down the message, listen, you better not cross me, or

846
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: else there are going to be consequences. And the corporate executives.

847
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 2: You know, as a leftist, I never expected the capitalists

848
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 2: to fight back up against fascism. But they certainly aren't

849
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: rising to the occasion, There's no doubt about that.

850
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 7: And so that message to hurt feelings, don't don't hurt

851
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 7: feelings with the app.

852
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: So that goes out, you know, that goes out too

853
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: to everybody who works there, like they're not going to

854
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: They don't have my back, nobody has solidarity with me.

855
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: I am just out here on my own And do

856
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: I personally have any ability to stand up to the

857
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: entirety of the United States government?

858
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: Of course not.

859
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: And neither does independent quote unquote independent media either, Like

860
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: if Disney can be crushed like a bug.

861
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: What do you think we are?

862
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 7: Right?

863
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: So you have, I mean you have, so you have.

864
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: That's the media landscape. Okay, and then okay, we have elections, right,

865
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 2: we have mid terms. We already know Trump is trying

866
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: to like Jerry, rig the maps to make it as

867
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: favorable as possible, cast out on mail in ballots, They're

868
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 2: monkeying around that, the voter rules, like all this stuff

869
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: that they're going to try to do. Not to mention,

870
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: we've got National Guard already in the streets in multiple cities.

871
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 2: Are they going to be there intimidating voters on election day?

872
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a crazy thing to suggest. Then

873
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 2: let's say that Democrats overcome that it's too big to rig,

874
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: they win a majority in the House, they do well

875
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 2: on the Senate. Whatever you think this man is going

876
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: to accept those election results. Of course he's not. Of

877
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: course he's not. We already know his playbook. He's already

878
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: projecting what he's going to do when he's casting doubt

879
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: on elections and mail in ballots and saying, you know,

880
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: I wish we had the recourse of the ballot box,

881
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: but you know, the ballot box in many cases is

882
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: rigged and it's not sufficient. He's going to go out

883
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: and say, no, these election results are not legitimate. Democrats

884
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: did not win these seats. They're incapable of winning these seats,

885
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 2: and his base will believe him. So at that point,

886
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: you have a media ecosystem that is completely compromised, that's

887
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: terrified to tell the truth about the nature of the elections.

888
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: You've got you know, roughly half of at least of

889
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: the voting public that is going along with, you know,

890
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: his view that this is all rigged and sham.

891
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 3: Like, where are we then, Because the whole.

892
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: Thing, to Ryan's point about like, you know, it's all

893
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: written down on paper, but it's as good as the

894
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: paper it's written on. If we don't all sort of

895
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: like buy into the spirit of the project, the whole

896
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: thing falls apart. If you don't have most of the

897
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: population sort of routinely just like accepting, okay, these results

898
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: are more or less correct, going to move forward with

899
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: what we get. So that's where we're headed, and this

900
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: media consolidation piece is an important part of it, because

901
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: they need to be scared to tell the truth going

902
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 2: you know, when and if that happens, about what actually occurred.

903
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 2: And so that's why I'm feeling very depressed, because I

904
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: don't see what institution exists or what power structure exists

905
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: that is capable of like rolling back or resisting any

906
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 2: of this. It's certainly not the corporations. It hasn't in

907
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: the universities, wasn't the law firms. You know, it's labor

908
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: has already long been defenestrated long ago. They're irrelevant to

909
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: the conversation, which is sad and pathetic. The court system,

910
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: like Trump has realized that number one, there's this loophole

911
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: in liberal democracy where if you just do a bunch

912
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: of shit, it takes a while for the courts to

913
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 2: catch up. And number two, the Supreme Court's given him

914
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: everything he wants anyway when it gets there. So I

915
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: don't know, guys, that's where we are. It's pretty ugly.

916
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 6: And they're already on Fox News being like, oh, well,

917
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 6: the First Amendment. I don't know if Charlie really would

918
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 6: have believed in that now I think Trump said that,

919
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 6: And then someone else on Fox News was like, I

920
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 6: don't know if we really I don't know if we

921
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 6: can deal with the First Amendment anymore. I'm not sure,

922
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 6: if that's as important as these other things we're dealing with.

923
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 5: Literally every lib said during the Biden administration that sent

924
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 5: conservatives through the roof. Not every lib, of course, but

925
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 5: it was like all of the disinformation libs who were

926
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Speaker 5: complaining about the First Amendment scope being too broad in

927
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 5: the way that it I mean, it is, like she said,

928
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 5: the thing that was sending all of the right onto

929
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 5: their moral high horse, and again like in a good way, right,

930
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 5: like we should all be against the government saying well,

931
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 5: maybe that whole First Amendment thing is a little outdated.

932
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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, I.

933
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Speaker 7: Emily, I'm curious for your take on crystal scenario because

934
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 7: it seems pretty dystopian but also so fairly realistic. The

935
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Speaker 7: only thing I would say could change that arc would

936
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Speaker 7: be a financial crisis, which we do seem like. I

937
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 7: think that's a matter more of of when rather than

938
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 7: if that could That basically just flips the table. But

939
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Speaker 7: outside of that, where do you see holes in the

940
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 7: kind of arc that she sketched out there?

941
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Speaker 5: I don't, I mean, I don't, I think you know.

942
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Speaker 5: For me, it was also depressing when the Hunter Biden

943
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 5: like laptop case broke and I saw the way the

944
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 5: media had treated the like Russia collusion thing for years,

945
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Speaker 5: And of course I like, I remember not being able

946
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 5: to DM that story after the Politico broke that fifty

947
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 5: one former intelligence people coming out and saying it had

948
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 5: all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation. I remember not being

949
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 5: able to send it over a DM in private comp

950
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 5: So that was like I felt really similarly then, And

951
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 5: I think probably the most important reservation that people should

952
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 5: have about Trump, even if you're a conservative, even if

953
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 5: you are ideologically maga, but you're not like full Curtis

954
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 5: Jarvin and want just like a monarchy or an American

955
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 5: CEO instead of a president. The biggest reservation people should

956
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 5: still have is fake claims, a fraud in election because

957
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 5: in elections, because that is the hallmark of Banana Republicanism,

958
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 5: and we've seen there's precedent for it. So I don't

959
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 5: think like I actually think a lot of conservatives, if

960
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 5: you laid out what Chrystal just said, would be like,

961
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 5: oh haha, But no, I think it's completely serious because

962
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 5: again we have precedent for it. So I've got I've

963
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 5: got nothing in response to that.

964
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 7: Let me ask you guys something too about this York

965
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 7: County shooting of there was an Pennsylvania in Pennsylvania, five

966
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:08,919
Speaker 7: cops were ambushed, three killed, two others wounded. And I'm

967
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 7: curious if you think that the climate that we're in

968
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 7: explains some of the lack of attention that the media

969
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 7: is paying to this. Uh, the guy's Matthew Ruth was

970
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 7: the is the killer he was he was he was

971
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Speaker 7: killed or he took his own life. It's there's there's

972
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 7: very little information about about this. He was stalking his uh,

973
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 7: his girlfriend, his ex girlfriend. She called the police, they

974
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 7: suspected an ambush and still got ambushed from a cornfield.

975
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 7: And he's he's a registered libertarian, I believe, white guy.

976
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 7: Like it's what people call demographically inconvenient. But even given

977
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 7: all those facts, the killing of the shooting of five

978
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 7: police officers and the killing of three usually makes national news,

979
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 7: even if the shooter is demographically inconvenient. Yeah, there's barely

980
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 7: been a blip. I wonder if the political climate the

981
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 7: media is under right now is influencing decisions by broadcasters

982
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 7: to say, you know what, do we let's not touch this?

983
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 7: This is like this is just this looks this looks

984
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 7: like trouble I.

985
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: Mean, the innocent explanation would be there's just so much

986
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: else going on, you know, with Charlie Kirk just being

987
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: assassinated and that being the investigation of that being ongoing,

988
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: and the Kimmel censorship and all of those things right

989
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: and to presidence in the UK, like all these things

990
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: that are going on that it just couldn't quite break through.

991
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: But what I would say, Ryan, is if the shooter

992
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: were trans and just murdered three cops, everyone in the

993
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: fucking country would know about it and it would be

994
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: wall to wall coverage. So I think there's no doubt

995
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: that the demographic inconvenience of the shooter is a big

996
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 2: part of the reason why networks society, you know, there's

997
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 2: a lot of other stories to cover, we're just not

998
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: going to touch this. We're just going to put this

999
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: one on the back burner and we're not going to

1000
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: particularly touch it.

1001
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 3: Now. I will say that's nothing new, of course.

1002
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: You know, how many stories do we have of like

1003
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: adorable little white girls who get murdered and kidnapped or

1004
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: horrible things and they become national names and stories, and

1005
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 2: same thing happens to an adorable little black girl and

1006
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: nobody ever knows her name, Like, this is not a

1007
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: new thing in terms of American media presentation, but I

1008
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 2: think you are correctly touching on the particular political valance

1009
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: that could be influencing, you know, the lack of coverage,

1010
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: lack of details, the lack of curiosity around this one.

1011
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: Because when I saw this break, I was like, Wow,

1012
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 2: what the hell is going on here? And I'm still

1013
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 2: in the place of Wow, what the hell is going

1014
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: on here? Because there hasn't been much of any significant,

1015
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: like journalistic inquiry into what exactly unfolded, what the circumstances were.

1016
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 8: So Ryan was asking crazy.

1017
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 6: Ryan was searching for hope earlier in this episode, and

1018
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 6: we were also searching for people that were meeting the moment.

1019
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 6: And a lot of people have been saying, oh, what

1020
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 6: about all these center right, right wing podcasters who made

1021
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 6: free speech and cancel culture a core part of their message,

1022
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 6: a core part of why they voted for Trump, why

1023
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 6: they supported Trump and the vibe shift, and people were

1024
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 6: a lot of people on the left were saying, Oh,

1025
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 6: these guys are going to duck their heads not meet

1026
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 6: the moment, and so let's see what that side of

1027
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 6: podcasting has been saying first here, I've got a few

1028
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 6: different ones. This one hears from Tim Dillon. This is

1029
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 6: an Instagram story for those just listening, it says on

1030
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 6: his Instagram stories, sc commissioner threatening to revoke broadcasting licenses

1031
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 6: has chilling effect on free speech. Ag threatening to go

1032
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 6: after hate speech is a bad sign. When someone has

1033
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 6: a weapon, everyone will use it. I continue to unconditionally

1034
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 6: support Israel and all its actions now and forever. It's

1035
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 6: nice to cover your bases there.

1036
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 7: And he also announced that I couldn't even tell if

1037
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 7: he was joking that he'd been fired from the Saudi.

1038
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 4: Comedy circuit.

1039
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: So I's a separate issue that might be keeping the

1040
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 2: down payment, because he did I looked at their website

1041
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: and for the coffee, and I don't see him there anymore.

1042
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 2: So I think that might have actually been true, because

1043
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 2: he did his whole monologue where which I Coverden did

1044
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 2: monologue about where he was like, you know, they're paying

1045
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: me enough to look away.

1046
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 3: But then he said in.

1047
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 2: The model like if someone's being beaten next to me,

1048
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to look away. If there's slave labor, I'm

1049
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 2: going to look away. So we sort of named the

1050
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 2: things that Saudi Arabia is doing so I can't. I

1051
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 2: couldn't totally he was joking, but I think he may.

1052
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 2: I think he may have been canceled from the comedy.

1053
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 6: Funniest thing to do is take the down payment and

1054
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 6: get fired. Getting fired is the funniest thing you can do,

1055
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 6: always as a comedian. And that's why I like Tim

1056
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 6: has been unafraid to kind of like poke all sides,

1057
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 6: including like his friends, Like, I mean, he's ripped RFK,

1058
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 6: he rips Barry all the time. He used to get

1059
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 6: invited to dinners there.

1060
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 7: So he also he also joked I'll be taking the

1061
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 7: down payment and donating it to a foundation that supports

1062
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 7: He's like, I'm just kidding. I'm gonna buy a car.

1063
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1064
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 4: Another see you in Montecito.

1065
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 6: But this one I thought was even more interesting. This

1066
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 6: comes from a barstool of sports podcast Now. The CEO,

1067
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 6: Dave Portnoy, seemed to support the decision, was kind of

1068
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 6: gaslighting people and saying it's not really a big deal.

1069
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 6: It's all about a business decision. But here's one of

1070
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 6: the podcasts under his arm and what they had to say,

1071
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 6: No right now.

1072
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 12: In twenty five at ten oh six on September eighteenth,

1073
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 12: The extreme right are the biggest group of pussies that

1074
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 12: has ever existed for America, A bunch of because people

1075
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 12: with green hair at Starbucks. Because once in a while

1076
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 12: a fucking guy swam against girl.

1077
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 8: You fucking pussies have broken in half.

1078
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 12: When in consequence culture Portnoy, who is just waving his

1079
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 12: arms at the right to like him again after the

1080
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 12: thing last week he said it was Trump's fault privately

1081
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 12: publicly that Charlie Kirk died. Now he's like, I gotta

1082
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 12: get them back. I gotta get them back.

1083
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 8: I get them back. I will say it's the Try profile.

1084
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 8: So yeah, and is he getting that?

1085
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 7: Is he just getting anti?

1086
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: Just getting anti at the very Yeah, the try profile

1087
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: that's still on barstool.

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Speaker 8: All right, let's let's we'll look into this. Well, we're

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Speaker 8: gonna look.

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Speaker 4: I thought he got into it.

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Speaker 3: He had me until the end there.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, talk about not sticking the landing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know Jewish, Yes he's Jewish, Yes he's Jewish.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So he just wraps it up with some blatant anti Semitism.

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Speaker 7: But he's talking about Portnite and he.

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Speaker 2: Says, typical member of the tribe he's just basically saying

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Speaker 2: like typical jew.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, yeah, all right, so we we lost that one.

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Speaker 6: Tim. Tim destuck the landing far better by hailing Israel.

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Speaker 6: So we're showing the right way all the wrong way

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Speaker 6: of doing this.

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Speaker 5: We've smoked out the true anti Semite on breaking points,

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Speaker 5: and we all know it's not Griffin.

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Speaker 7: Griffin.

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Speaker 6: Okay, what this is the free half of the show.

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Speaker 6: This is the half the Fox News producers watch, Emily.

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Speaker 6: This is not okay, they.

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Speaker 7: Watched the whole thing that they absolutely watched the whole thing.

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Speaker 7: They share one premium sub im.

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Speaker 6: I'm a defender. I'm a defender of Jewish people all

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Speaker 6: around the world.

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Speaker 7: So check the ips of their login. See how many

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Speaker 7: people they didn't name drop. Starbucks though, and we I

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Speaker 7: had to throw this up here. There's an update here

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Speaker 7: from Starbucks. Update Starbucks employees must write Charlie Kirk's name.

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Speaker 8: No matter what your names exactly.

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Speaker 6: In response to some conversations on social media, Starbucks shared

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Speaker 6: the following there are no restrictions on customers using Charlie

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Speaker 6: Kirk's name on their order, and we are following up

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Speaker 6: with our team, which I just think is such a

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Speaker 6: great example, it's like this is the world that they're envisioning,

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Speaker 6: like that they need a safe space at Starbucks so

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Speaker 6: that there was so lib coded the trans barista can

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Speaker 6: write Charlie Kirk on it, like, I don't know, I do, I.

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Speaker 4: Want to say go ahead.

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Speaker 2: I just I when before Starbucks made this decision or whatever,

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Speaker 2: I felt really bad for these baristas who are trying

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Speaker 2: to navigate like this corporate policy against writing anything political

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Speaker 2: on the cups and these customers coming in and like

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Speaker 2: berating them and recording them and putting them on.

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Speaker 3: Blasts the world. Like I felt, I felt very bad.

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Speaker 7: For the barisa that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, how do you navigate that?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Like your boss is telling you to do one thing,

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Speaker 2: and then you've got this customer who like wants to

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Speaker 2: make a social media moment of it, and then Lives

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Speaker 2: of Talk is gonna is going to send it out

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Speaker 2: to the world and make it like you're some evil

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Speaker 2: like pro murder lefty or whatever.

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Speaker 3: So I yeah, the whole thing was.

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Speaker 7: And Portnoy fired uh some intern from barstool because he

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Speaker 7: posted condolences to Charlie Kirk on like the Barstool Texas

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Speaker 7: account or something, and he fired him, saying that you're

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Speaker 7: not allowed to do politics, doesn't matter what.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you see this, Yeah, I didn't see that either.

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Speaker 4: I didn't see that. That seems weird.

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Speaker 7: And Portnoy said, I always hated this kid. He knows

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Speaker 7: you're not supposed to do politics on the account. It's

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Speaker 7: not about what he said, it's these are these are accounts,

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Speaker 7: it's not his personal account. It's not supposed to do politics.

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Speaker 7: He had the kid had posted like basically thoughts and

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Speaker 7: prayers for Charlie Kirk from the Texas barstool account. So,

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Speaker 7: but they have a very strict rule no politics from

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Speaker 7: the account. So to Chrystal's point, if you're bar Easton

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Speaker 7: and they say no politics on the cup and somebody

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Speaker 7: asked you to do put a political gesture on the cup,

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Speaker 7: you say no, then you get filmed and now you're

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Speaker 7: on limbs of TikTok, and so, yeah, Starbucks kind of

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Speaker 7: put them in a bad situation. I agree with you there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I also just want to say, because

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Speaker 5: I genuinely think this is important that when something happens

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Speaker 5: to somebody who's in the media space, I think as

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Speaker 5: Probabilia also explains why Dean Weathers, for example, had such

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Speaker 5: a visceral reaction after but really though different, like after

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Speaker 5: it happened, did you see Wethers vase?

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Speaker 6: For those don't know, Dean Withers is like Dean Withers

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Speaker 6: is a very young zoomer liberal TikTok debater, and he was.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it was, oh there, it is okay, yeah.

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Speaker 5: But anyway, what I was gonna say is for me,

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Speaker 5: like as someone who did not know Charlie Kirk nearly,

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Speaker 5: as well as a lot of people who are in

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Speaker 5: the media who were very very close with him, like

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Speaker 5: in right wing media who are like very very very

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Speaker 5: close with him, were This is just all I'm trying

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Speaker 5: to say here is not defending any like censoriousness or whatever,

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Speaker 5: but just to say that I have been trying to

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Speaker 5: extend a lot of grace to people, and hopefully that

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Speaker 5: people have extended some grace to me, because that was

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Speaker 5: like a collective trauma for people on the right who

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Speaker 5: are really close to Charlie Kirk and are now the

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Speaker 5: ones that find themselves in positions to be like in

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Speaker 5: the public space discussing it.

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Speaker 4: So I hope that some of this dies down. I

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Speaker 4: don't think all of it will die down.

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Speaker 5: But I did just want to say that, like, if

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Speaker 5: something God forbid happened to like someone on the left,

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Speaker 5: I do think we would also be seeing some of

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Speaker 5: this like deep visceral anger that's like feels really raw.

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Speaker 5: And again I'm not saying that's going to go away.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it is, but I do just want

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Speaker 5: to say, like I just knowing some of these guys,

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Speaker 5: what this did to them psychologically was incredibly hard and

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Speaker 5: I can't imagine. Again, I wasn't like a close personal

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Speaker 5: friend of Charlie Kirks, but a lot of people that

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Speaker 5: I am close friends with were.

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Speaker 4: And it's just.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, just a word to say, I think some

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Speaker 5: of it will go away. I don't think all of

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Speaker 5: it will go away. And it's just been crazy.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a fair point.

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Speaker 2: I don't extend that point to the President of the

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Speaker 2: United States, though, And that's who that's fair, you know.

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Speaker 7: Is because because he showed that he had no emotional.

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Speaker 3: Reaction, that he doesn't care.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, he was not. How are you

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Speaker 2: doing I'm doing great, I'm doing great. My renovation is

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Speaker 2: going fantastic, you know. So you know, and I don't

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Speaker 2: know how capable he is of human emotions on the

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Speaker 2: best of days, but whatever, I mean, And so that's

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Speaker 2: that's like, it's one thing, okay, a cultural phenomenal, random influencers.

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Speaker 2: You know, I still think you're a person with a platform,

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Speaker 2: you still have responsibility. Certainly, I don't think grace would

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Speaker 2: be applied in their direction. Not that that should dictate

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Speaker 2: what you do whatever, But that's one thing.

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Speaker 4: The Presidente's a good example.

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Speaker 2: The President of the United States is using this as

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Speaker 2: a chance to crack down right in any number of

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Speaker 2: ways on media figures, media outlets he doesn't like, on

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Speaker 2: left wing groups. You've got Steven Miller, who's like basically

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Speaker 2: the real president of the United States, who is out

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Speaker 2: there are vertly like, we are going to use this

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Speaker 2: aggressively to go after all of our political enemies, and

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Speaker 2: they will. I mean, that's I I believe them when

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Speaker 2: they when they say that, and they are already taking

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Speaker 2: steps in that direction. So you know, my, my, my

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Speaker 2: grace said, I can extend to individuals who who directly

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Speaker 2: knew Charlie and are impacted by this on a personal level,

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Speaker 2: does not extend to the President of the United States,

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Speaker 2: who was supposed to represent all of us and is

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Speaker 2: probably the worst person I could possibly imagine to be

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Speaker 2: the president at a moment such as this.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and before we go to the premium, one other point,

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Speaker 7: I think I think the audience correctly sussed out that

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Speaker 7: that that the trauma that Emily is talking about having

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Speaker 7: hit people close to him, but also people in the

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Speaker 7: broad kind of ecosystem also does you know, bleed out

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Speaker 7: into people on the progressive side too, like you and

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Speaker 7: I think that just you know, psychically, psychologically, people like

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Speaker 7: me in Crystal and Hassan and anybody who's kind of

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Speaker 7: like a public figure, you know, saw themselves in that.

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Speaker 7: And I and I then I and I think the

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Speaker 7: audience is right to you'll kind of be to be

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Speaker 7: worry of the of that fact, like understand that we're

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Speaker 7: that our analysis flows out of out of that bias

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Speaker 7: and so that that I but I don't think there's

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Speaker 7: you'd have to be just this you know, stone cold,

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Speaker 7: non not human person for it to be any different,

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Speaker 7: and that's not who we are any either.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point.

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Speaker 6: Well, on that note, folks, we are going to get

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Speaker 6: into a lot of other fun stuff here in the

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Speaker 6: second half, we're gonna be analyzing breaking down the Candice

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Speaker 6: Owens new released photo of the shooter, Tyler Robinson alleged shooter,

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Speaker 6: and we're gonna be getting to a few other stories.

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Speaker 6: dot com to uh support us and our independent journalism.

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Speaker 6: We don't read ads, we don't take money from anybody.

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Speaker 6: It's all you guys, and we'll see you there on

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Speaker 6: the second half.