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Speaker 1: Summer is that you. Sure it's August, but we have

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Speaker 1: a few more weeks to enjoy this weather, so let's

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Speaker 1: celebrate accordingly. Welcome to the TBG University Podcast, tailored for

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Speaker 1: the twenty something who's still obsessing over the finale of Island.

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Speaker 1: We're playing the hottest song of the summer, getting her

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Speaker 1: tote bagpack for the first classes and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host and TBG coordinator Jana Ellis.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Sorria Taylor, and I'm the TBG podcast production intern.

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Speaker 2: We'll return to Jana right after the break.

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Speaker 1: Here at TBG, we believe in the healing power of sisterhood,

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Speaker 1: and one of my favorite parts of female friendship is

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Speaker 1: getting to sit down and kei key about everything that's

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Speaker 1: going on in our lives at the moment. So in

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Speaker 1: this special girl Chat episode, myself and the associate producer

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Speaker 1: of the TBG Podcast, Zaria Taylor, took some time to

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Speaker 1: reflect on our summers. In our girl Chat today, we

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Speaker 1: explore the pressure to have a quote unquote productive summer,

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Speaker 1: dive into some recent pop culture, and share some advice

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Speaker 1: for both the people going back to school and the

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Speaker 1: postgraduate who's feeling unsure about their new normal. Here's our conversation.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Zaria, how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm so excited to have our little girl chat.

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Speaker 1: I know we don't get to do this often, but

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Speaker 1: I'm excited same. Let's start off by sharing a quick

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Speaker 1: overview of how our summers went. I can go first.

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Speaker 1: My summer honestly has been pretty slow, which has been surprising.

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Speaker 1: But this year, overall, I've been traveling a lot. So

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Speaker 1: this summer I felt like I didn't need to continue

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Speaker 1: the every weekend I'm somewhere or every other week I'm somewhere.

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Speaker 1: But I had two solid trips this summer, which I

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Speaker 1: think is a win. I think sometimes we can overwhelm

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Speaker 1: ourselves with like a planning of summers. I tried to

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Speaker 1: keep it super intimate and super chill overall in comparison

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Speaker 1: a lot during the summertime. But how did your summer go? So?

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Speaker 2: Of course I continued my work with TBG as the

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Speaker 2: associate producer of the podcast, and then I also worked

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Speaker 2: as basically a camp counselor for my college, Spelman College,

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Speaker 2: who has these different programs for young girls in high

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Speaker 2: here for like a couple of weeks. I was a TA,

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Speaker 2: so I took them on field trips, I was in

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Speaker 2: their classes, all of that, and this is my second

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Speaker 2: year doing that. So I really enjoy, you know, fostering

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Speaker 2: the youth, fostering the excitement about going to college, especially

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Speaker 2: black girls. So it was really fulfilling to work for

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Speaker 2: both therapy for black girls and also in real life

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Speaker 2: like live in that fostering a black girlhood. So I

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Speaker 2: love that. And then definitely the highlight of my summer

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Speaker 2: was the Therapist Summit. Being able to be there in

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Speaker 2: person or yes, holding space for the healers that was

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Speaker 2: so great. Is always awesome to meet the TVG team members,

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Speaker 2: that was the highlight of my summer.

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Speaker 1: So jealous I wasn't there, like all the tiktoks are

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Speaker 1: I'm curious I kind of mentioned this earlier, but have

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Speaker 1: To have a productive summer And if so, what does

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I don't know if you can also relate

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Speaker 2: A lot of that for me is self inflicted or

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Speaker 2: just from comparison, from comparing myself to my peers. Every

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Speaker 2: time I go on LinkedIn, every time I go on Instagram,

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Speaker 2: But I thought this supposed to be my break from

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Speaker 2: doing that, Like I thought that was my semester's work

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Speaker 2: quote unquote real world, you don't get the same time

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Speaker 2: So I try to spend it really relaxing and enjoying

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Speaker 2: But I'm curious, have you felt that same pressure as well.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the first summer that I've been an adult,

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Speaker 1: Like I was always busy and productive, and the summer

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Speaker 1: just LinkedIn within itself is just so stressful and to

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Speaker 1: your point, seeing, oh, I interned with this governor, I

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Speaker 1: interning at Apple this summer and I met like Steve Jobs, Like,

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Speaker 1: I feel like the pressure to have a marketable summer

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Speaker 1: a lot from putting my trips on Instagram or putting

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Speaker 1: my updates on my life on Instagram. I just don't

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Speaker 1: best summer, like you're not topping this summer, and I

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Speaker 1: always like the summer because it's my Birthday's time. But

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Speaker 1: I think we've put this huge pressure to just have

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Speaker 1: oh summertime, we have to have this or sometime we

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Speaker 3: Treated as such.

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Speaker 1: But I definitely have tried to stay away from putting

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Speaker 1: have a trip every single day. Like, no, I'm going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's real. And also to add to that, I

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Speaker 2: always comparing yourself to the next person. So that exactly

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Speaker 2: of kind of spending our summers in wellness, I'm wondering

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Speaker 2: what would be your dream summer vacation.

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Speaker 1: Oh, a dream summer vacation. Honestly, my mind goes to Jamaica.

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Speaker 1: My mind goes to the sun. Like just a rich

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Speaker 1: and culture and good food and good people. Ten out

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Speaker 1: of ten. I don't need a big group. I don't

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Speaker 1: need a lot of people myself. A solo trip honestly

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Speaker 1: Jamaica alone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So, first of all, I feel like I keep

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Speaker 2: hearing people say that they've never been on a solo trip,

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Speaker 2: in terms of my dream summer vacation, I also thought

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Speaker 2: Jamaica definitely islands, water, hot, tropical, like that is what

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Speaker 2: gives summer vibes me. But for me also, I'm a person,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know if I'm alone in this where

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Speaker 2: I want to be in a familiar place. I'm tired

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Speaker 2: So for me, my dream summer would be four to

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Speaker 2: rest of it. I'm a homebody. I'm staying at home

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Speaker 1: That's my Sorry, No, I totally feel you. After like

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Speaker 3: To go to that bed. For sure.

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Speaker 2: That reminds me actually of a TikTok that Raymonte did

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Speaker 2: after coming back from Jamaica. He went to like five

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Speaker 1: Yes, that airport food hits different after you've been out

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Speaker 3: I can attest to that.

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Speaker 1: Real. So I'm wondering, what was the best summer you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like you're gonna have a better answer

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Speaker 2: would say, if I had to choose, when I was younger,

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Speaker 2: I used to go to Boston, where all my family

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Speaker 2: being around my extended family. So I would say, that's

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Speaker 2: the closest thing I can think of. But I feel

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Speaker 2: like I'm still trying to build my best summers. So

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Speaker 2: that's my answer.

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Speaker 1: What about you, okay, period, I would say, again, my

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Speaker 1: of connections of birthday parties and trips around that it's

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Speaker 1: remember I was turning twelve maybe, and I was at

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Speaker 1: And I remember I had a surprise birthday party, and

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Speaker 3: Able to get Subway.

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Speaker 1: And I remember Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse having a

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Speaker 1: So TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, whatever has bombarded us with Love

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Speaker 1: What is your thought on the push for dating shows

433
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Speaker 1: for people our age? What's your hot take?

434
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 2: Let me just say I've not been sucked into the

435
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 2: Love Island peer pressure. The girls keep trying to get

436
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 2: me to watch this. Everywhere I go on my timeline,

437
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 2: it's just Love Island, Love Island, Love Island. TikTok, Twitter, Instagram.

438
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I'm not watching this. I'm so sorry, y'all.

439
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 2: I refuse to get sucked into this peer pressure that

440
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 2: I feel like it's going on. Because one as soon

441
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 2: as I heard that these episodes are daily, I was like,

442
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 2: oh no, I don't have time for that. And then

443
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 2: every time I see a clip of it online, to me,

444
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 2: it looks so fake, and so I can't really buy

445
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 2: into it. But also another thing, I feel like going

446
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,719
Speaker 2: back to DCC and like the body image thing. All

447
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 2: I ever see is them walking around in bikinis and

448
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: it just feels very like superficial. All the people seem

449
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 2: super young as well, and so I can't really trust

450
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 2: your intentions. I feel like half the people on here

451
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 2: are probably here to be famous. I will say the

452
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 2: couple that I think won this last season, I don't

453
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 2: know their names, but I keep seeing them on my time.

454
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 2: It's the girl with the braids and the step coum

455
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 2: piercing Serena. Yeah, they're such a cute couple. I can't

456
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,439
Speaker 2: lie they are a cue couples that I'm rooting for them.

457
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for everybody black, but I personally will not

458
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 2: watch a show. And on top of that, in terms

459
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 2: of like the push for dating shows people our age,

460
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 2: somebody from my school posted on their AUGI story that

461
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 2: they wanted to audition. I was like, girl, what, And

462
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 2: then on top of that, somebody from Morehouse is on one

463
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: of these seasons, and I'm like, I hope that's not

464
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 2: my classmate, child, because what are you doing here? I know,

465
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: what are you doing here? It just seems so strange

466
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 2: to me because I feel like dating shows are like

467
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: a last resort almost. I feel like it's more so

468
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 2: for older people, no shade, like just who just like

469
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 2: can't find love. But if you're young, you have so

470
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 2: many other avenues to find love. Why are you on

471
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: a dating show? So those are my what about you?

472
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: Because I know you're deep in the streets you actually

473
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 2: watch it.

474
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Speaker 1: I'm similar to you, and I don't want the Love

475
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: Island it is to get me. I'm sorry. I just

476
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 1: wanted to die down a little bit. I might start

477
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: to watch it in October. A rebel in a sense.

478
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,959
Speaker 1: I just don't want to watch things that everyone's watching

479
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: at the current moment. And there are some exceptions, you

480
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I also stopped watching Abbot

481
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 1: Elementary when everyone started watching and I said, I can't

482
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 1: do it anymore. Y'all ruined it for me. You ruined it.

483
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: It was a nice first season, it was quiet. I

484
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: remember Quinta from BuzzFeed. But for Love Island, I love

485
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: a good game dating show. But I think what's really

486
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: fascinating why is there such a big push to date?

487
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if we all just love the

488
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: idea of the forever person. Because we're so young, it's

489
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: still like an option to have that optimism. But when

490
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: it was at its peak, every clip on TikTok was

491
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: Love Island or a recording of someone stitching a video.

492
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 1: And even now Love Island is done, Serena and Cordell One,

493
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: there's a trio of the girls like Leah, Janet and

494
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: Serena like go shopping, they're on talk shows, they're visiting

495
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: Leah's house, Like I'm more sucked into their real life

496
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: and like them now I care more. Now I'm like, oh,

497
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: like this is cute, Like they're girls girls, Like okay, cool.

498
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: But it's a breeding ground for a group of people

499
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: to feel isolated because they are not in relationship and

500
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: they're not in that position to be going on Love

501
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,479
Speaker 1: Islands on. I don't know if that's the push and

502
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: that's why we like to watch it because again, like

503
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: we're searching for community people. I don't get it. I

504
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,719
Speaker 1: don't understand. I do think we need to put it

505
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: into nineteen year olds being on a dating show.

506
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Speaker 3: It is silly.

507
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: It's getting to a point where it looks dumb to me,

508
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's good for everyone's mental health

509
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: to aspire to be in a relationship or like continuously

510
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: watch that or see that, like that's not everyone's journey.

511
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: So I hope people are setting boundaries and like watching

512
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: that and not thinking that that has to be them

513
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: at all.

514
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I one hundred percent agree. When you were talking,

515
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,959
Speaker 2: I thought about the fact that, like, why is it

516
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: that we feel so much pressure as young people to

517
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 2: find the one immediately? Because, like you mentioned that people

518
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: here on the show who are like nineteen years old,

519
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: why are you trying to find I just feel like

520
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 2: you should be okay with spending your twenties exploring and

521
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 2: seeing what's right for you. Why do you feel like

522
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: you have to be just like tied down immediately? And

523
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: it's funny Shameless plugged Session three seventy, one of the

524
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: main podcasts, the Centering Romance came out, and so it

525
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 2: goes right, it's alignment because it's like, I do feel

526
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: like we put so much value in whether or not

527
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: we're in a relationship or not. We feel like our

528
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 2: personhood is just decided by if we have a man,

529
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: And it's like just vibe like my twenties Sugges vibe.

530
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be tied down, So all of

531
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: that just it's troubling to me.

532
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, even outside of Love Island, like we see

533
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: that on TikTok, we see it on Instagram. Even before TikTok,

534
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: it was YouTube, the couple's channel, and like, I'm excited

535
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: to see in ten years someone do a case study

536
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: on it. And like Love Island, Love is Blind, the ultimatum,

537
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: the ultimatum, there's another.

538
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: One perfect match, perfect match.

539
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: There's just too hot to handle, too hot to handle,

540
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: like all of them, they just suck our generation right up.

541
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: We eat it up, and I'm a part of it.

542
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: I am a part of it, like Love is Blind,

543
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: perfect Match, ultimatum, Tek, You're gonna get me. But I'm

544
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: excited for the research in ten years.

545
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: What is the brain rot that is caused by watching

546
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: all of these shows? Yes, we're gonna have to investigate.

547
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 2: But you mentioned all of these different dating reality shows

548
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: and I also indulge in them. I'm wondering, would you

549
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: ever want to be a contestant on any of these shows?

550
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 2: Would you tap in like that?

551
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, absolutely not. It's not my ministry. That's not

552
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: me at all. I will support my peers to an

553
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: extent that want to attend those dating shows or a

554
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: reality TV show or like I could see myself doing

555
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: a game show if that. But I also just like analyzing.

556
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: I don't need to attend. I just don't think it's me.

557
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: I consider myself like pretty low key.

558
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: I don't like to do that.

559
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: And in decisions and like people were playing your decisions

560
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: on TikTok oh my god, Like that's just too much.

561
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: Because the funny thing about Love Islands that they don't

562
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: have their phones, so they come back to their phone

563
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: and they're famous or they're hated, or like, that's too much.

564
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: It's too much for me. But would you go on

565
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: a dating show or a reality TV show?

566
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: So I'm a huge Love is Blind fan, right, And

567
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 2: as I was watching the show, I Loki thought, like

568
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: I would be good for this show because I do

569
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: believe Love is Blind. I'm a personality dater or I

570
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 2: feel like if you have a good personality, it'll make

571
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 2: your looks go up, and so I want somebody else

572
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: to love me for who I am as a person,

573
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: not for physical attributes. And so for those reasons, I

574
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: was like, Loki, I would love to be on this show,

575
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 2: but for me, the obstacles that I don't want to

576
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 2: get married, that's the whole kind of goal and that show.

577
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 2: Not only that, but I just feel like so much

578
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 2: of reality TV it's edited a certain way to make

579
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 2: people look crazy, and then it feels like it's manipulated.

580
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: There's been stories with Love is Blind where they're like

581
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: feeding people so much alcohol that they end up doing

582
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: stuff they wouldn't normally do. And so I just don't

583
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: want to be under the mercy of a white production

584
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: team at all. So that's for me, the obstacles of it.

585
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 2: But generally, like y'all can put me in the pods

586
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: and I'll give y'all a show like Realness like I would.

587
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: So that's the only show that I would consider being on,

588
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: but I probably would never So Netflix, Loki, call me, listen,

589
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: call me. I can be convinced. Right Hi, I'm sorry, Taylor,

590
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: and I'm the TPG podcast production intern. We'll return to

591
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: Jana right after the break.

592
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: What other things are you watching, paying attention to, or

593
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: listening to right now?

594
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: What's been the thing?

595
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: I feel like everything on my feed right now is

596
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: like election related, So that's heavy yeah, that's pretty much

597
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: everything that has been on my timeline. I mean, and

598
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: the theme of reality TV. Another show that I really enjoyed.

599
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: This is not dating related, but Survivor and also a

600
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: Big Brother And those are two shows that I also thought,

601
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: like Loki, I could win these shows. However, my obscool

602
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: with those that I can't be away from my phone

603
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: for that long. I really can't, and it's bad, Like

604
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: I cannot spend however many months without my phone and

605
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: like just no entertainment. I would be so bored. So yeah,

606
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: those are the things I'm paying attention to right now.

607
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: But what about you?

608
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: I am so happy. There's just like a certain feeling

609
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: in my heart. What anyone mentions that they love Big Brother?

610
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: I love?

611
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: Which is fascinating to me that you don't like Love

612
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: Island but you like Big Brother.

613
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: It's different, Like I know what you mean, because they

614
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: have the same level of episodes, like it's like almost daily.

615
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: But I don't know, it's just different. I'm a hypocrite.

616
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: Maybe it's like the alliances and like the strategy and

617
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: all the things I would like to think I could.

618
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: I'm definitely not.

619
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: A Survivor girl, like no, no, no, no, no, But

620
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: I need a shower. I need a shower and food

621
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: that's not slop.

622
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: But like I was gonna say slop.

623
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: But I would never get that. I would be in

624
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: the right group. I would be in the right group.

625
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: But I also like to think if certain people can

626
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: make it on that show, I can make it on

627
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: the show, like at least a couple episodes. But for

628
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: right now, when someone asks me this question, it's always

629
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: really hard because I brain rot on TikTok. So it's

630
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: like you're asking me, like what are we watching or

631
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: paying attention to? And it's like, I'm on TikTok every

632
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: day and I've watched a thousand videos. I don't know

633
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: the answer to that because I'm watching so many things

634
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: at one time and I'm paying attention to everything. But

635
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: you know what, honestly, truly, I'm not embarrassed by this.

636
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm good to watch early two thousands TV and like

637
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: shows and like movies and game shows. So right now,

638
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: this is very corny. But I'm watching prison Break. It

639
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: just popped on Netflix. I have no notes. I have

640
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: no notes. I love any show that has a flip

641
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: phone or like a BlackBerry or anything vintage looking. Although

642
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: I was born in the early two thousands, I've been

643
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: enjoying it, and I've been watching the Real World like

644
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: early seasons. Again, love anything before social media for real,

645
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: like when they were living life and acting was for real.

646
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Speaker 1: Acting was for real, for real. So those are my

647
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: comfort things. I just love early two thousands, nostalgia, nosalgia.

648
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: Oh there's another TVG episode, but nostalgia, and I just

649
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: love nostalgic things and they make me feel pretty comfortable.

650
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Speaker 2: You are really speaking to me right now with prison

651
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: Break in the real world, because prison Break, I've watched

652
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: it like twice. I didn't know it was on Netflix.

653
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: I was out here watching it on the bootleg websites.

654
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: So now I know what I'm gonna do with the

655
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: rest of my week is I'm gonna binge watch it.

656
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: And I love the Real World as well. That's the

657
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Speaker 2: show I low key would consider going on because it's

658
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: like it's te Lo Stakes. Is just you living life

659
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: in a house with other youth. But they do be

660
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Speaker 2: fighting on there, so that's a little bit like let's

661
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: let's lot get it.

662
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see myself being in the real world.

663
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: It might get too real, but personality higher.

664
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Speaker 3: I could do that.

665
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: I could do that, but like in the early two

666
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: thousands that, like before social media, you had to use

667
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Speaker 1: the VHS. I guess to watch episodes again, I don't know.

668
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Speaker 1: So sorry, you are a bought to start your junior

669
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Speaker 1: year a Spellman College. What are you looking for it too?

670
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm not gonna lie. I'm one of those

671
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: people who was ready to graduate. And I hope I

672
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: don't trigger any of the postgrag girlies because I know

673
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: everybody is like, you should take advantage of your time.

674
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: You're gonna miss it so much. I'm sorry, I'm ready

675
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: to go. I'm ready to go. I'm tired of it,

676
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: I'm tired of Grandpa. I'm ready to go. But in

677
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Speaker 2: terms of I'm looking forward to, I mean I have

678
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: a smaller course load than usual. I'm definitely usually like

679
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: a twenty credit hours girly, but this semester I was like,

680
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: let me chill, so I'm taking a little bit less.

681
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: I think I'm like at sixteen credit hours. So I'm

682
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: just trying to, you know, embrace my wellness self care era. Also,

683
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to be an orientation leader for the second

684
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: year in a row. So I'm definitely one of those

685
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: people who's going to be screaming at you as you're

686
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: moving in school spirit, school pride. That's the one time

687
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: why I feel pride for my institution, like yes, welcome

688
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: to Felvin. So that's what I'm looking forward to for sure. Now, Jana,

689
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Speaker 2: for you, I know this is your first full year postgrad,

690
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: so I'm wondering what are you looking forward to in

691
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: this time and what sorts of feelings are coming up

692
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: for you. I'm very curious.

693
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: Uh, the side is so real, and I hope everyone

694
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: feels seen by that side. But my first full year postgrad,

695
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Speaker 1: I have seen a lot. I've experienced a lot, and

696
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: I think now when this was like my whole thing

697
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: for my gap year, I'm now able to see the

698
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: career I want, Like I'm finally opening the window and

699
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: smelling the air and just seeing this is the path

700
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: I want. This is the work it takes to get it.

701
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: Don't tell yourself no, like very simple. This is the

702
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: era I feel like I'm entering when I graduated. I

703
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: want it to take some time away from higher ed

704
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: in academia to find that and find that inner voice

705
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: that's been suppressed by achievement, success pressure, and it just

706
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: explodes into congratulations, You've graduated, and it's like great, and

707
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: so now I am finally just getting my bearings. I

708
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: feel like into being hungry. I'm hungry. I have that

709
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: hunger again, had that dog in me again. And it's

710
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: funny because my friend and I were talking about this,

711
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: there's no one there to motivate you when you graduate,

712
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: like it's all you, which it's you in college. But

713
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: again we have our peers, we have our family and

714
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: our year. And so now I've rea ignited that spark

715
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: in myself, like I'm twenty three. Now I'm ready. I

716
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: see it, I see what I can have, and it's

717
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: now a matter of time. And so around this time

718
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: it's just aspirational and like motivational. I also just turned

719
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: twenty three, so that's my era. It hasn't been a

720
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: month yet, so I'm still in that glorifying era of like, oh,

721
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great year, it's gonna be perfect.

722
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, like knowing that I have the control of

723
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: my life and I can make decisions for my career,

724
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: for my development and my skill set and all these things.

725
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: So love that for you. I love that for you,

726
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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if we could share some basic back to

728
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: school tips in terms of how to start your year

729
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: off on that right track.

730
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 3: What comes to mind for you.

731
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Speaker 2: I'll kick us off with junior Senior, So I would

732
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: say for me, one of the most essential things to

733
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: get in my school year off right is putting everything

734
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: that's happening in the semester on my calendar. So putting

735
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: on my class is on my calendar, putting all my

736
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: potential club meetings or organization meetings, and also finals, midterms, breaks,

737
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 2: like I need to know in events when all of

738
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: that is happening. That just gets me off on the

739
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: right track being organized. And then another thing I would

740
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 2: encourage for really any grade level in college is making

741
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: sure that you know what classes you need to take

742
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: to graduate and ensuring that you are on track each year.

743
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: I have a document I use every semester. I'm checking Okay,

744
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: do I have the classes I need? Do I have

745
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: the credits I need? Because no shade, but these advisors

746
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: be planning in your face for real, Like advisors do

747
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: not want the best for you. In a lot of cases,

748
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: they will not give you the information that you need.

749
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: And so you don't want to be in a position

750
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: because I've seen it where you're in your senior year

751
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: and you all of a sudden get told, oh you

752
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 2: need to take this class and now you can't graduate.

753
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: You do not want to be in that position. So

754
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 2: make sure that you are checking, double checking, triple checking

755
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: every semester. Make sure that you are on track. So

756
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: those are the two tips that come to mind for me.

757
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: And of course, have fun, joint organizations, take advantage of

758
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: your time.

759
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: So those are good. Those are good.

760
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: And Zaria's completely right. The academic a visors well want

761
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: to see you fail, so don't let them take the

762
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: w don't let them do that. That's insane, and it's

763
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: insane that we have to say that as well. Like

764
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: you just should want the best for your students, but

765
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: that's not always the case. So only you have your

766
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: best interests at heart, So look out for yourself and

767
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: protect yourself. I would say for our first year going

768
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: into college, honestly, have fun, like it's nothing serious. Know

769
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: the classes you need to take. Don't bring too many

770
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: things to your class. You don't need the elementary school supplies, like,

771
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: don't bring everything, have an outfit on that you're confident in.

772
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: Be yourself, be honest, be welcoming to people. Take it

773
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: all in like, have a good time, like the sun

774
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: still outs warm, go out to parties, like be safe,

775
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: be smart, enjoy it. Sophomore year, we do need to

776
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: take life a little serious. I think the biggest thing

777
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: that I would tell myself softmore year, which also was

778
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 1: I was a COVID sophomore year. Early look into those

779
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: early talent programs early. Literally they start to populate in

780
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: the fall, and if you know the companies you're interested in,

781
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: have that list ready by August September, so you can

782
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: be prepared to have the alerts on your phone and

783
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: have the application up and have it saved and bookmarked,

784
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: because a lot of the times you're just going through

785
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: the motions of your semester and by the time you

786
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: look up, it's Thanksgiving break, then this winter break, then

787
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: the finals, and the application has been passed. So just

788
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: making sure that you're keeping your nose up with all

789
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 1: those things. But both first year and second year have fun,

790
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: have a blast.

791
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 2: And I want to touch on two points you mentioned.

792
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: So one freshman's on notorio is for like bringing way

793
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: too much stuff to campus that they don't end up meeting,

794
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: especially that point about the elementary school supplies. Most of

795
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: your work is gonna be on the laptop these days,

796
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: so honestly, wait until you actually go through the class.

797
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: You see the syllabus and see from there if they

798
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: ask for additional supplies. The trash cans when I was

799
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: moving out in my freshman year, like almost everything got

800
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: thrown away, So don't pretty much the pointless stuff. And

801
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: then the second thing that you mentioned about these application deadlines,

802
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: I know we mentioned like not really prioritizing the grind,

803
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: and that's still very true. However, if you do want

804
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 2: a spring internship, you really got to start applying in

805
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: the fall. Same if you want to study abroad in

806
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: the spring, things of that nature. So just come in

807
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: with that mindset of you got to start taking in

808
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: advance for the opportunities that you want. So those are

809
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: the two, right, yeah, right, So we touched on the

810
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: girls who are going back to school, but for the

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Speaker 2: POSTCRID girlies like Jana to maybe feeling unsure about their futures,

812
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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if you could share some tips, Jana, what

813
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: advice do you have around that.

814
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: So it's not a marathon, it's a sprint. Know that

815
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: all the choices you've made, and whether they're good or bad,

816
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: they're for you right now. I'm also speaking this to myself,

817
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: but take your time. Remember that time is in our favor.

818
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: Say you graduated with a degree and you went into

819
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: the field right after college, and now you're like, ah,

820
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: don't really like it, and you're trying to switch careers.

821
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Speaker 1: Like all this is attainable. We have so much time.

822
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: Time is fake one, but time is in our hand,

823
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: and so not to feel rushed or that we're behind.

824
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Speaker 1: I feel like that is the biggest thing that a

825
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: lot of my friends and my friend groups that like

826
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Speaker 1: we talk about it is the fear of being behind,

827
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Speaker 1: especially when you see people around this time, like going

828
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: to med school or going to law school. Everyone's journey

829
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: is just so different. And I hate hearing that. I

830
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: hate it when people tell me that. But that's the

831
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: biggest reminder. I want to recommend some tdgu episodes to

832
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: listen to, where we touch on finding yourself and discovering

833
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: yourself in new conventions and spaces, definitely Black girls and

834
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: art spaces. I remember us talking about the journey of

835
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: self discovery, and Casey was able to talk about finding

836
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: herself in the art space and I also related to

837
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: that in my personal life. And then we have securing

838
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 1: your first big girl job. Listen to that one if

839
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: you're in the postgrad era and you're in your early

840
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: career era and you're wanting some tips on staying true

841
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: to yourself and also knowing your path and knowing what

842
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: path is for you. But yeah, just stay calm, stay patient.

843
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: Time is in your hands. It's gonna be okay.

844
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: I love that.

845
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Speaker 1: So, Saria, where can we keep up with you? Tell

846
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: me what are the social media handles?

847
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 2: The girls can find me on Instagram at Yours Truly Zaria.

848
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 2: My name is spelled Zarah, and then you can also

849
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: find me under LinkedIn as Zaria Taylor. Hit me up

850
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: with your internship and career opportunities. So, yeah, what about you, Jana.

851
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: So you can keep up with me on my LinkedIn

852
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: It's Jana Ellis. Feel free to connect with me. Chat

853
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: me and yeah, I like to yap so we can gap.

854
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: But thank you so much, Saria. I really appreciate talking

855
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: with you today. I always enjoy talking to you. I

856
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: feel like we just yap we yap under time constraint,

857
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: but I always love talking with you and it's been

858
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: a great conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yes, samsey'sun no reverse to everything you just said. I

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Speaker 2: want to thank Jana for inviting me to be a

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Speaker 2: part of this episode. Summer break is over for now,

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Speaker 2: but here are some affirmations that take with you. I

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Speaker 2: have the ability to define what a successful summer break

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Speaker 2: looks like for me, and it's okay for that definition

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Speaker 2: to look different from my peers. Just because I've exited

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Speaker 2: or I'm about to exit an important chapter in my

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Speaker 2: life doesn't mean that there aren't just as many joys

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Speaker 2: ahead of me. It's okay to explore what I want

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Speaker 2: my life to look like, even if it means switching

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Speaker 2: past and taking my time to figure out what's right

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Speaker 2: for me. To learn more about the work we're doing,

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Speaker 2: or to do more research on this topic, be sure

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Speaker 2: to visit Therapy for Blackgirls dot com slash tvgu.

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Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Elise Ellis and Zaria Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Editing is by dennisent Radford.