1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in our number three Clay 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: Travis buck Sexton Show, and we're going to dive into 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: a lot more discussion of the bloodbath comment and all 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: of those aspects. 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: Some great clips for you coming. 7 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: But I'm excited about this guest, and in fact, I'm 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: holding up for those of you who are watching us 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: on video right now at clayanbuck dot com. Bad Therapy 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: Why the Kids Aren't Growing Up by Abigail Shreer. I 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: am going to read this book. Buck has got his 12 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: own copy as well. We get a lot of books, Abigail, 13 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: who is with us now, A lot of times. To 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: be frank, I don't have the time to be able 15 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: to read them. I put this on my list. My 16 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: wife wants to read it. You are absolutely killing it, 17 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: and so I want to start with this though, before 18 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: we get into the book, Kat, you have had a 19 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: similar experience as me. When American Playbook came out, it 20 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: was the number one selling nonfiction book in America. It 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 1: did not make the New York Times list. Your book 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: went to number one, I believe on Amazon, which is 23 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: virtually unheard of it did not make one of the 24 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: fifteen best selling books in America. This is one of 25 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: the best endorsements of a book I can give you 26 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: because to me, it means The Times does not want 27 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: your book to get the publicity and attention. Explain that 28 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: for listeners out there, who I think a lot of 29 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: people think the New York Times just ranks the best 30 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: selling books, they don't at all. Why is this significant 31 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: and what does it say to you that they have 32 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: avoided recognizing how many people are buying and reading your book. 33 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: Well, you know, they don't like anybody who kicks the 34 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: legs out of their narrative, right. So with the last book, 35 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: they were very unhappy with me because I wrote about 36 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: the epidemic of teenage girls deciding they were transgender, and 37 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: I know pointed out the risks and I argued it 38 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: was just so contagion and the book was really successful, 39 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 3: and that bothered the New York Times a lot because 40 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 3: eventually they had to admit those risks. So in this book, 41 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: you know, bad Therapy really just says that, you know, 42 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 3: the the question is why are these why does this 43 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 3: generation think it's so unwell? Why are they awash and 44 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: diagnosis Why are they constantly taking mental health days off 45 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 3: of work, Why do they think that they're why are 46 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: they all and why do they all have a diagnosis? 47 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 3: Why are they all on psychmads or so many of them? 48 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 3: And why do they never say they're shy they have 49 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 3: social phobia, and they never say they're nervous, They say 50 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 3: they have anxiety. They never say they're sad, they say 51 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 3: they're depressed. And the point of the book was really 52 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: to empower parents to stop listening to these so called 53 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 3: experts who are really undermining parental authority, really undermining especially 54 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 3: dad's ability to do what they think is right. It's 55 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 3: often the men who get who have changed the most 56 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 3: out in the most undermined by these so called experts. 57 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: And that's the last group that The New York Times 58 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: ever wants to give any you. 59 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 4: Know, power to Abigail's buck thanks for being with us. 60 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 4: To what degree do you think there's some connection possibly 61 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 4: between the fact that the psychiatric and psychologist profession is, 62 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 4: by far, according to all the data, And I don't 63 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 4: think anybody disagrees with this, the most left wing by 64 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 4: political affiliation of any of the medical specialties. I mean 65 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 4: to the point where Now you have some of these 66 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 4: medical associations that are going along with and you wrote 67 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 4: the book about gender identity disorder, genderdysphoria, whatever. They're going 68 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 4: along with things like men can get pregnant. I mean 69 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 4: they actually are going along with anti science. How much 70 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 4: politicization is to blame for this, sure so a lot. 71 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: I mean the group that had where these accrediting organizations 72 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 3: had nothing to say when we're heading into a second 73 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 3: year of lockdown, what did they do? They showed up 74 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: in Congress to warrn about police tactics, climate change, right, 75 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: and systemic racism. They had a lot to say about that. 76 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: Now they think there's the solution to kids' mental health. 77 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: You know, in the book, I argue, there are a 78 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 3: large part of the problem. And here's the connection to 79 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: what you just raised. You know, if you have intergenerational trauma, 80 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: if all kids are walking around with the trauma of 81 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 3: their ancestors. Not true, by the way, it's a lot 82 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 3: of nonsense. But if they are, then colonialism and slavery 83 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 3: are with us today. There continue to harm these kids. 84 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: Now we know it isn't true, It hasn't been true. 85 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: And I went into the research to show that it 86 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: wasn't true, but you know them. Unfortunately, a lot of 87 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: good parents have been undermined by the idea that they 88 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 3: don't know what's best for their kids' mental health, and 89 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 3: so they've been strong armed once again into not doing 90 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 3: what's right for their kids. 91 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: AD Therapy is the book Why the Kids Aren't Growing Up? 92 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: And I am already starting to read this a little bit, Abigail, 93 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: but I read your excerpts. I think it was in 94 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal, which I thought was really interesting, 95 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: and I want you to expand upon this because I 96 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: see it at the front of the book too. Talk 97 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: therapy can induce rumination, trapping kids in cycles of anxiety 98 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: and depression. 99 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: This is what some of your research has found. 100 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: Social emotional learning handicaps our most vulnerable children in both 101 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: public schools and private The piece that I read that 102 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: you excerpted was talking about how as parents were constantly 103 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: sort of taught to ask our kids how they feel, 104 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: and that that is making kids believe that whatever their 105 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: feeling is is their truth, as opposed to, you know, 106 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: teaching them that their emotions are going to vary and 107 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: that it can't be the guidepost of their life. I 108 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: thought it was so fascinating. Explain what you uncovered about that. 109 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: Focusing on feelings and treating them as legitimate. 110 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: Sure, focusing on feelings which we know are in constant 111 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: and often even inaccurate guides to whether we have been 112 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 3: hurt or injured, or whether we're in the right Catting 113 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 3: kids to constantly focus on their feelings is actually a 114 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: recipe for misery. We know this. The psychological research shows 115 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: that we're just doing the opposite. We're going into schools 116 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: and as parents were doing the same thing. We're constantly 117 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 3: asking kids how are they feeling about this? How are 118 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 3: they feeling about that? We're inducing a constant focus on 119 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 3: their negative feelings. Why is it negative? Because of course, 120 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: if you ask someone constantly how they're feeling, they're actually 121 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 3: going to produce mostly negative responses. And the reason is 122 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 3: in all of our you know, thousands of wakeful seconds, 123 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 3: most of them are not in a state called happy. 124 00:06:53,040 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: They're in some kind of period of you know, irritation, itch, discomfort, worry, 125 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 3: and getting kids to focus on those things while rather 126 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 3: than going out and doing good, that's the opposite of 127 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 3: what we want to be doing. But the other's another 128 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: bad thing. When with things like social emotional learning, constantly 129 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 3: asking kids about their negative feelings in school. But what 130 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: I want parents to know is it naturally tease up 131 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 3: a criticism of the parents. Why because parents are the 132 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 3: ones whose job it is to keep a child safe. 133 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: So if they were terribly traumatized by an incident, the 134 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: next question is where was mom? 135 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: I think the data you mentioned dads, I think the data, 136 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: And I'm curious if you find this that as dads 137 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: have become less involved in two parent households, the overall 138 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: health of kids has collapsed, mental health in many ways. 139 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: And there's this idea, and I bet you've read about 140 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: it and studied at Abigail that lots of people, even 141 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: on the left, they talk left, but they live right. 142 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: That is, they have nuclear families in their own life. 143 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: A lot of people wagging their finger at you on 144 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: MSNBC and CNN. They are married to a woman or 145 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: they're married to a man. They have traditional household structures, 146 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: They raise the kids in the two parent household, and 147 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: then they lecture anyone who suggests that that would be 148 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: a good model, even though they're following it themselves. Where 149 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: does fatherhood rank in factor in here? In your research. 150 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 3: So what father is that men are the ones who 151 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 3: have changed the most in terms of parenting in the 152 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 3: last generation. I mean, here's why. All of their instincts 153 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: they were told are bad for the kids' mental health. 154 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 3: Telling a kid you'll live, you're going to be fine, 155 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 3: shake it off or knock it off, that kind of thing. 156 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 3: They were told, don't do that. It's bad for their 157 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: mental health. Basically, that would that is the wrong way 158 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 3: to proceed. And so the kids got no balance. They 159 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 3: got constant empathy, they got constant you know, eliciting of 160 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 3: their feelings, and never a sense that they would be resilient, 161 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 3: they would be fine. And here's the other thing. They 162 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: weren't told that their grandparents went through much worse. See 163 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 3: your grandparents, that's the only proof you've got that your 164 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 3: genetic material is resilient. They need to hear what dad 165 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: and mom and grandparents went through and great grandparents went through. 166 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 3: It's the only proof they've got that they can get 167 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 3: through it too. 168 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 4: Abigail Schreier, the author Bad Therapy While the Kids Aren't 169 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 4: Growing Up is the book, recommend you all get a 170 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 4: copy of it now. And just in terms of the 171 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: therapy component of this for kids. How much of this 172 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 4: do you think is also the usage of the medicalization 173 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 4: of childhood discontent, which we all go through at different times, right, 174 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 4: we all skin our knee at different times, we fall 175 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 4: off the jungle gym, although now I don't even if 176 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 4: there are jungle gyms anymore, like you can't really the 177 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 4: playgrounds have changed a lot from what they used to be. 178 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 4: But by medical these problems, it means that they can 179 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 4: get at kids and indoctrinate them younger and younger. 180 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: That's right. They get them into the mental health pipeline 181 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 3: and they never leave. They just get more and more medication. 182 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: And here's the thing. Sometimes kids are going through a 183 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 3: bad phase. Sometimes they're going to outgrow it. And there's 184 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: something else too. When you get in and delete their 185 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: normal resources with medication, their normal sadness, you're also capping 186 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 3: the happiness, the highs. You're altering. You may be deleting 187 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: a sex drive and a young kid who's just starting puberty, 188 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 3: and you're doing all the things that will make it 189 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 3: harder for them to adjust to and cope with normal life. 190 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 3: And that's what we're seeing, a generation that can't cope. 191 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: Abigail, how much does social media play in here in 192 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: terms of I talk about this on the show sometimes. 193 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: One of the most staggering stats I've seen, thirty percent 194 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: of teenage girls have thought about killing themselves in the 195 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: last year. I mean, that is an unbelievable number. Obviously, 196 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: that is feelings triumphing over the logic of their life, 197 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: because I can't imagine that thirty percent of women and 198 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: teenage girls are actually living in dire straits. How much 199 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: of that is a function of the feelings that they 200 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: get from social media? And how should parents, in your mind, 201 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: contemplate social media. 202 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 3: Social media is bad. It's hurting this problem, no doubt. 203 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: You know, I wrote about the last book a social 204 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 3: contagion of trans identification that was basically spread largely through 205 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 3: social media. But here's the problem. The sad things they're stealing, 206 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: the sad feelings they have, the you know, if they 207 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 3: feel lonely and depressed, partially because social media were then 208 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: remdiating it with mental health, not giving them a better life, 209 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: not taking away the phone, not curbing social media, but 210 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 3: giving them more and more mental health interventions that aren't working, diagnosis, medication, 211 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: it's not working. Its counter productive. Why because it's the 212 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 3: life that's a problem. And the reason we know this 213 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 3: is liberal boys from teenage teenage from liberal families have 214 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: worse mental health. Sorry, teenage boys from liberal families have 215 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 3: worse mental health than teenage girls from conservative families. Now, 216 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 3: let me tell you, the girls are on a lot 217 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 3: more social media, but the difference is in the environment. 218 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 3: The lack of authority from parents, the introduction of mental 219 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: health experts into the home at the first indication of 220 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 3: sadness or a problem, all those things, and the constant 221 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 3: surveillance of any activity, never letting these kids have real 222 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 3: independence and trying to do something in the world even 223 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 3: when it's dangerous like or has potential danger like walking 224 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 3: home from school. Those are all things that make a 225 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 3: kid feel capable, and we're not letting him do those things. 226 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 4: Have to go shrier, everybody. Why the kids aren't growing up? 227 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 4: Bad therapy. Why the kids aren't growing up is the 228 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 4: book how Togil thanks so much for being with us, 229 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 4: appreciate the. 230 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: Time, Oh, thank you, take care. 231 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: Look Abigail try or just the conversation we had talking 232 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: about how woke policies are destructive in so many ways. 233 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: And guess what happens. So it's woke education. That's why 234 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: Hillsdale College exists. 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One truth revealed after another, 251 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 252 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 4: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. You know Clay. People 253 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 4: who know me know that there are some issues on 254 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 4: which you may reasonably describe me as a zealot, perhaps 255 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 4: even a fanatic. And one of them is manners in 256 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 4: public places I start to lose my mind. Another is 257 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 4: the assault on the ear drums that comes from excessive 258 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 4: decibels too much noise. In general, I do not like 259 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 4: too much noise. I'm told this is actually a medical condition, 260 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 4: so maybe I need to investigate this. But excessive, unnecessary 261 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 4: loud noise drives me insane, but also stretching back. I 262 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 4: don't even know. I want to say, for twenty years. Yes, 263 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 4: I have been an anti recycling zealot. I think we've 264 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 4: talked about this before. I've been I've just said, this 265 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 4: makes no sense. All they're going to do is harass 266 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 4: you into this compliance regime, and this stuff is not 267 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 4: going to help the environment. It's actually going to somehow, 268 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 4: I promise you make things worse. The New Republic, which 269 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 4: is basically a communist website, I mean, or rather scratch that, 270 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 4: it's a communist website. They put out a story research 271 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 4: I just want to read this to you recycling doesn't work, 272 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 4: and the plastics industry knew it. The plastics industry knew 273 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 4: decades ago that recycling was never viable in the long term, 274 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 4: and now we're all being poisoned by its products. Ninety 275 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 4: percent Clay between nineteen ninety and twenty fifteen. So basically, 276 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 4: like you know, our entire adolescent through adult lives, more 277 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 4: or less, ninety percent of recycled plastics ended up in 278 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 4: landfills or the oceans or burned, which some argue is 279 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 4: even worse than all those things. The whole thing is 280 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 4: a scam recycling plastics, which is the annoying kind by 281 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 4: recycling newspapers. I don't really care if that's easy recycling plastics. 282 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 4: You've got to wash them out, they separate them into 283 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 4: these other bins. It's all a scam, and I knew 284 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 4: it all along. Where is my apology? Where do I 285 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 4: go to get my apologies? Clay? 286 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: Can we send this clip to Laura Travis so I 287 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: cannot be criticized for not caring enough about putting the 288 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: right stuff in the recyclabile bin versus the regular trash 289 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: can because this has been an ongoing battle in our 290 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: marriage for coming up on twenty years now. I just 291 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: I've been arguing that recycling is a waste of time 292 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: and everything should just be thrown. 293 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 2: In the normal garbage bins. 294 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: Yes, and she's been arguing that we have to separate, 295 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: you know, papers, plastics, all these other different things. 296 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: It's totally worthless. 297 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 4: Even the Left is admitting now it's worthless. And there's 298 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 4: all this concern what ends up happening a lot of 299 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 4: time with especially plastics, like let me tell you also 300 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 4: the move from I'm here in Florida, the Free state 301 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 4: of we get plastic bags. The grocery stores, you know, 302 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 4: in New York they won't even give you plastic bags anymore. 303 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 4: That's been the case for a few years now. And 304 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 4: even paper bags you have to pay for. You know, 305 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 4: the paper bags are worse for the worse for the 306 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 4: environment than plastic bags are. They are not to mention, 307 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 4: they break, yes, their trash and their trash, meaning they 308 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 4: end up in the trash. But also they don't work 309 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 4: in the function in which they are supposed to Clay. 310 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 4: Environmental policy from the Left for the last seventy years 311 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 4: is one disaster after another. It not only fails to 312 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 4: work as advertised, it always makes things worse than what 313 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 4: they advertised as the result of this stuff. 314 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: I'd spend no time on climate change with my kids. 315 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: I'm building a beach house. As we've talked about before, 316 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: the thing here that we should all be concerned about 317 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: that almost no one is talking about. 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By the way, 343 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: I also appreciate a Missouri Senator Eric Schmidt who joined 344 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: us in the second hour and encourage you to check 345 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: out the Abigail Shreier discussion at the top of the 346 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: third hour. But if you're wondering how much craziness has 347 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: been going on associated with the bloodbath coverage, I do 348 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: think it's important for you to understand that they've really 349 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: lost their minds. 350 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: And by the way, it's not just their side. 351 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: I've also got an uncomfortable and unfortunate clip from Senator 352 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: Bill Cassidy of Louisiana here. But let's start with Michael Beschlos, 353 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: who was supposed to be a presidential historian. He completely 354 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: panics about the blood bath. Listen to what they're talking 355 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: and sound like on MSNBC. 356 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: This is cut for. 357 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 5: As we talk about this as it unfolds. We have 358 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 5: never seen anything remotely like this in American history. A 359 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 5: major party candidate is saying, you elect me. There's going 360 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 5: to be dictatorship, bloodbath, violence, retribution against my political enemies. 361 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 5: That equals what we saw in Italy and Germany and 362 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 5: other places. If Americans do not get that, if they 363 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 5: choose that voluntarily, then this country has changed in a 364 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 5: way that I. 365 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 4: Do not understand. 366 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 2: Okay, that's cut one. 367 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: As if that were not enough, Buck, Remember Trump said 368 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: there would be a bloodbath in the American auto industry 369 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: if China's allowed to take advantage of our laws and 370 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: make electronic vehicle electric vehicles in Mexico. That's the whole context. 371 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: Beschloh said, No, No, you're voting for Hitler. 372 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 5: Listen, However this election turns out, it will be Americans 373 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 5: were given the voluntary choice to become pawns in a 374 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 5: dictatorship under a presidency of unimaginable brutality and violence, or 375 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 5: whether they voted against that, anything about horse race or 376 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 5: age or you know, Trump is more entertaining on the stump. Well, 377 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 5: that's wonderful. What I would suggest is, let's go back 378 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 5: to the late nineteen twenties in Germany or the early 379 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 5: nineteen thirties. The Nazis and Hitler came to power under 380 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 5: a legal system. They did not see his power overnight. Illegally, 381 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 5: they were able to get elected. And one reason that 382 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 5: happened was that people didn't realize that if you're voting 383 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 5: for Hitler, this could end in the Holocaust and a 384 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 5: defeat in World War Two. 385 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: He's a historian buck in theory. This is supposed to 386 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: be one of the most imminently historical minds in America, 387 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: and he's using history to justify the analogy he's making 388 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 1: that Trump is Hitler. 389 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 4: Well, I was going to say, he's using history just 390 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 4: like Hitler did, Clay, I mean, you can do this 391 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 4: all day, right, Yes, of course, you can compare any 392 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 4: You could compare any political figure. Hell, he's preying upon 393 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 4: the emotions of the masses, just like Hitler did. It's like, okay, yeah, 394 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 4: you know the Hitler comparisons all the time. First of all, 395 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not somebody who walks around saying anything 396 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 4: is offensive it is offensive, right. I mean too when 397 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 4: you think anyone who has and you all particularly have 398 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 4: a keen knowledge of World War two history. I know 399 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 4: that from every time we do the show we talk 400 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 4: about World War Two. You write in and you have 401 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 4: a tremendous knowledge about it in general for all of 402 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 4: you listening. But the desire here to go to the 403 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 4: most extremes, even in situations that require you to act, 404 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 4: to pretend like you don't understand the English language or 405 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 4: the context of the situation, just goes to show you. 406 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 4: This must sell for the MSNBC audience. I mean, this 407 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 4: must be what rate to put it in industry terms. And 408 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 4: that's this concerting because, as I've said before, if if 409 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 4: he's as bad as Hitler, what would you be willing 410 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 4: to do to stop Hitler? You know, I don't like 411 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,959 Speaker 4: to go down this pathway, But you have all these 412 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 4: people who are saying, oh, Trump and he's hurting the 413 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 4: political climate of this country because he's going to be 414 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 4: a fascist just like Hitler, and the country will be 415 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 4: over if people really believe that, and they're saying this 416 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 4: on TV, so some might that takes us to a 417 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 4: very dark place as a country. Right The actions that 418 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 4: people would consider in order to preserve the republic and 419 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 4: in order to prevent you know, Hitler, right. I mean, 420 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 4: so this is why. Well, on the one hand, it's 421 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 4: worthy of the mockery we give it. On the other hand, 422 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 4: it's also deeply disconcerting that this is what they do. 423 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: And we talked about to start the show, they're going 424 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: to try to run the same playbook. 425 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 2: And here's what disappoints me. 426 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: And I haven't heard this full audio, but Bill Cassidy 427 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: is a Republican senator from Louisiana and he actually buys 428 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: into this bloodbath hoax? 429 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 2: Is this what I'm told? 430 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 4: Guys? 431 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,239 Speaker 1: Can we play cut six? Because it's one thing for 432 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: MSNBC to be losing their minds, but for actually elected 433 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: senators from the Republican party to not take the time 434 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: to watch a one minute clip. 435 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 2: And understand what Trump was saying. Listendicassidy. 436 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 6: The general tone of the speech is why many Americans 437 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 6: continue to wonder should President Trump be president? That kind 438 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 6: of rhetoric, it's always on the edge. Maybe doesn't cross, 439 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 6: maybe does, depend upon your perspective. I also think though, 440 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 6: that the mainstream media contributes to it. 441 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 3: You heard what the Biden administration said, they say, it's 442 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 3: another sign that he's using terms related to political violence. 443 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 4: That's their perspective. 444 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 6: They got a candidate who also doesn't seem fit for office, 445 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 6: depending upon the perspective of somebody that's going to interpret it. 446 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 6: He's running against Biden, So Biden's going to say it's 447 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 6: about political violence. His defenders want to defend him, and 448 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 6: so they're going to say it's about economic disaster. There's 449 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 6: always just that little bit of tension there which allows 450 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 6: a dispute about the interpretation. 451 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: This is embarrassing by Louisiana Senator because this is not 452 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: remotely confusing. 453 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 4: Buck Also, if Trump wanted to call for political violence, 454 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 4: Trump would call for political violence. I mean, this is 455 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 4: a guy who says what is on his mind. Notice 456 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 4: how they'll they pretend that he speaks with all this 457 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 4: code and nuance so that they can take what he 458 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 4: says and pretend it's something else. Oh, what Trump is 459 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 4: really saying? No, I think we all know what Trump 460 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 4: is saying, right, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, guy, imaginable. 461 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 4: But they're going, oh, if you go into the layers 462 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 4: of what Trump is really, No, he's just actually the 463 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 4: guy who says exactly what's on his mind, and he's 464 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 4: saying it'll be a bloodbath with the auto industry if 465 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 4: things get messed up and he doesn't get elect like 466 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 4: this is pretty straightforward. 467 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: It also to me, of all of the arguments, this 468 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: is maybe going to be hyperbolic, almost sound like it. 469 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: But this is one of the most dishonest of all 470 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: of the hoaxes because there is no element of truth, 471 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: Like the Russia collusion hoax is a total made up sham. 472 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: But there was one hundred and fifty thousand dollars or 473 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: whatever the dollar figure was spent by Russia on Facebook 474 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: trying to impact the election. Now, anyone who has ever 475 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: bought any digital ads in their lives, and I am 476 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: someone who has, knows that one hundred and fifty thousand 477 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: dollars when people are spending billions, is unlikely to fundamentally 478 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: alter the trajectory of an election. So it was a 479 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 1: dishonesty to claim that Russia was rigging the election. 480 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: But here the. 481 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: Word blood bath is used all of the time in 482 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: the context of economic disaster. Heck gets used in sports, 483 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: like if somebody's whole coaching staff gets fired, people say oh, man, 484 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: that was a bloodbath. If your team gets wrecked, you 485 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: might say, man, that game was a bloodbath. Like this, 486 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: this is not remotely literal speech. 487 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, well you're refront you. Also is something they do 488 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 4: they do a lot against Trump and just in general 489 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 4: on the left, which I would call I don't know 490 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 4: if there's an official term for it, but a lie 491 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 4: of a lie of scale, or a lie of magnitude. 492 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 4: You know, if I went walking down the street and 493 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 4: let's say, illegally, you know, gave someone a slice of 494 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 4: pizza to go vote for somebody, it would be a 495 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 4: fact to say that I have influenced I have illegally 496 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 4: influenced the election. But it's one vote and there are 497 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty million that they're going to be cast, 498 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 4: and I don't think anybody really cares. But you could 499 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 4: run headlines this man influenced the election by buying a 500 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 4: homeless guy a slice of pizza. 501 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: No. And the way they would do that is they 502 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: would say Buck Sexton, conservative radio show host with audience 503 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: of millions rigs election. 504 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 4: Yes, right, that would be the head point and they 505 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 4: could they could hang their hat on all, well, you 506 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 4: gave a guy a slice of pizza and said go 507 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 4: vote for Trump. And so that's the point is they're 508 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 4: lying to you all the time, and they're lying to 509 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 4: you now about the bloodbath comment that we all know it. 510 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 4: And one of the things that I find so frustrating 511 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 4: about it, Clay, is that they will, through brute force repetition, 512 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 4: use this tactic with some success, meaning because they have 513 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 4: no integrity, because they have no ethics and no compunction 514 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 4: about just doing whatever it takes in order for their 515 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 4: guy to win. They will do this from now until 516 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 4: the election day. Trump will make a joke and they'll 517 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 4: lack like he's serious, even though everyone knows he's a joke. 518 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 4: It's a joke, but they'll say, well when he jokes, 519 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 4: it doesn't count. It's serious even when he's joking, like 520 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 4: they'll invert reality. 521 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is just the latest. What was the 522 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: one where he talked about the vermin. Remember when he 523 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: used the word vermin and they said, oh, this is 524 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: hit Look, this is hitler like Trump using the word vermin. 525 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: Then he went back and people had used vermin a lot. 526 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: I mean bloodbath, blood bloodbath like bloodbath is even further 527 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: down the flow chart of this is not remotely charge speech. 528 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 4: I mean, it's so commonly when you and I say 529 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 4: that someone got an ass kicking in the primary, we 530 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 4: do not, in fact mean that someone has used their 531 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 4: foot aggressively to strike another in the buttocks. Correct they 532 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 4: But you could say that it's violence if you were 533 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 4: an idiot. But this is how people speak. How people 534 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 4: speak is not allowed. When Trump can be attacked by 535 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 4: pretending that it's not allowed, that's the whole game. 536 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 2: You know. 537 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 4: Crime rates are up and burglaries are a problem everywhere. 538 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 4: In fact, on the front page of today's New York 539 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 4: Post is a story about burglary tourists. This is real, folks, 540 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 4: It's crazy. 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Well, yes, but there's stuff on the podcast 576 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 4: stream that you can't get elsewhere, meaning we've got the 577 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 4: Carol Marcowitz Show on their our friend Sean Parnell's podcast, 578 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 4: plus things like the weekly Hang the Buck Brief twenty 579 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 4: four so curated and on demand. When you download the 580 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 4: iHeartRadio app, which is free and I use it all 581 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 4: the time. It's fantastic and probably the best greatest thing ever, probably, 582 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 4: And you download it and then you subscribe to the 583 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 4: Clay and Buck app. And we have some calls here. 584 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 4: Want to get to Ronda in where's RNDA Squad Valley, California, Ah, California. 585 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 4: They didn't have that part on there. Thank you, Ronna. 586 00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 4: What's up? 587 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 5: What? 588 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 7: We just wanted to comment? My husband and I were 589 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 7: talking about the brown Bear versus. 590 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 2: Oh, I need to clean that up, yes, but you start. 591 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 4: Yes. 592 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 7: My my husband was laughing because he said there was 593 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 7: no way a tiger would beat a brown bear. It 594 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 7: outweighs him and is bigger, broader in every way. Just 595 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 7: when it's on all fours, it can be up to 596 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 7: five feet tall, so they're very big. And he said, no, 597 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 7: he said, that's not true. 598 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: I agree. I want to I want to have a 599 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 2: clarification here. 600 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: I actually said to Buck as we finished hour two, 601 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I need to clean this up on 602 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: my bear take. I was thinking you were saying a 603 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: black bear. I don't want to be racist here. I 604 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: understand that I'm not racist against bears. The brown bear 605 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: is more dangerous than the black bear. But the brown 606 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,479 Speaker 1: bear I would typically hurt here referred to as a 607 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: grizzly bear, right like a grizzly bear. Aspozly bear is just. 608 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 4: A type of brown bear, which is what I was 609 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 4: talking to Clay about that. 610 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but the are all brown bears grizzlies are There's 611 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: some brown bears that are not grizzlies. 612 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 7: No, No, there's different types of brown bears. 613 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: And Buck is furiously typing, Yeah, I gotta check right now, 614 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: look it up bear knowledge. So here's my other thing. 615 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. By the way, do you 616 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: know Buck? A couple of things. One do you know 617 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: what the most dangerous bear of all is? 618 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 4: Excuse me, excuse me? Brown bears. Grizzly bear is the same, Okay, 619 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 4: so the only difference is geographic location. The grizzly tends 620 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 4: to be further up, further north and northwest, and they 621 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 4: tend to be a little bit larger, but that's more 622 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 4: dietary and geographic. It is the same species. And they're 623 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 4: named for the grizzled gray hair that often is on 624 00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 4: their backs. 625 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: So we don't have grizzly bear anymore in like eastern Tennessee, 626 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: Like in Tennessee, like, we have black bears right, which 627 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 1: are much less dangerous than the grizzly bear. So I 628 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: was thinking black bear. I don't usually hear brown bear. 629 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,399 Speaker 1: The two things here one. 630 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,720 Speaker 4: So black bears are like are like they're the size 631 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 4: of like a large raccoon or something. 632 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: They're not that big. Yeah, they can be cuddly and 633 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: not very dangerous. Did you know that there is now 634 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: You're gonna love this. You can google this and make 635 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: sure that I'm right. There is now something called a 636 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: pizzly bear. Do you know what a pizzley bear is? No, 637 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: it is a polar bear. Grizzly bear mix. Oh, I 638 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: do know about bigger. They are bigger than either polar 639 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: bears or grizzly bear. This is like a liger, which 640 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: is a lie and mixed with a tiger. For you 641 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: Napoleon Dynamite fans. There was a guy who. 642 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 4: Shot one of these brown and polar bear offspring and 643 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 4: it created a huge like federal case yea, because he 644 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 4: had he had a license to shoot I think a 645 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 4: grizzly but not a polar bear, And because it was 646 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 4: half polar bear, they were still gonna find the guy 647 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 4: like one hundred thousand dollars or something, because you know 648 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 4: the government and uh yeah, but no, the polar bear 649 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 4: is even larger than a grizzly, but polar bear would 650 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 4: absolutely wipe out. I mean, a Siberian tiger can get 651 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 4: to be about six hundred pounds. I just google that too, 652 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 4: but it's definitely not nearly the size of the bear. 653 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 4: Polar bears will actually actively hunt human beings. 654 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: So I don't know how many places brown bear and 655 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,959 Speaker 1: black bear overlap. But did you know Buck that what 656 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: you're supposed to do if you are confronted is totally different, 657 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: whether it's a brown bear or. 658 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 4: A black bear. Yeah, they say, black bear, you have 659 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 4: to fight a brown bear. You play dead. But I 660 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 4: got news for you. If you see what happens to 661 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 4: the guys who play dead sometimes, even with the brown bear, 662 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 4: it's not good. It's not good. It's not like they's god. 663 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 4: It's not like they come over and sniff you and 664 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 4: leave you alone. 665 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: Doesn't it feel unfair that you're supposed to be able 666 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: to tell what the color of the bear is based 667 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: entirely on what your response is, like, what if it's dark, 668 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: what if you're in a tent, Like your response to 669 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: a bear is totally different based on what color. 670 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 2: The fur the bear has. 671 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: Yes, and I hope we haven't given the wrong advice 672 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: because if somebody gets mauled today and they were like 673 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,959 Speaker 1: listening to us while they're walking around on their hike, 674 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: black bear, brown bear different. You're saying, brown bear, just 675 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: play dead. Black bear like you bow up and try 676 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: to scare it away. 677 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,479 Speaker 4: Right, Yes, whereas a pandem bear you want to pose 678 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 4: for photos and rub its belly. 679 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: But if you bow up to a grizzly bear, it 680 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: actually is more likely to kill you, which so your 681 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: opposite anyway, it's a difficult situation. I hope none of 682 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: us our listeners get confronted by bears anytime soon. 683 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,800 Speaker 4: Guarantee you we have people listening right now who have 684 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 4: had to stare down grizzly bears, so they'll probably write 685 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 4: some emails about this one. These two city slickers playing buck. 686 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 4: We'll be back with you tomorrow. Stay safe from the bears.