1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Wake that hands up in the morning. 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club. 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Morning. 4 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 3: Everybody's the j Envy just Hilarius Charlamagne the guy. We 5 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 3: are the Breakfast Club. We got some special guests joining 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 3: us this morning. 7 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: That's right. 8 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 3: We got the good brother, doctor Cornell West. Yes, indeed, 9 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 3: and also his running mate, Malina Abdullah. Welcome. 10 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: It's a blessing to be here. My brother said, he 11 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: bring me back. He's a man of his word. It's 12 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: good to see you, my brother, j Envy, and I'm 13 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: so blessed to be with sister Malina. She is one 14 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: of the great freedom fighters of her generation. And we 15 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: are running together for truth, justice and love. And we 16 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: want people to see what it's like to have two 17 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: black folk who have no fear, no lies, tell the truth, 18 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: seek justice, and love the people. 19 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: Sister Molina, Let's let's start with you. When doctor Cornell 20 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: West approached you to be his running mate, what was 21 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: your thought process behind it all? And even receiving that 22 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: message and didn't deciding to do. 23 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 4: It well before thinking, my soul jumped out of myself 24 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 4: and said absolutely. I told him yesterday that I haven't 25 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 4: felt this kind of spirit soaring since I had my 26 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 4: last child. And that was fourteen years ago. So my 27 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 4: spirit spoke before my mind spoke. But then when I 28 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 4: thought about it, I never planned to run for office, 29 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 4: but it made all the sense in the world. I, 30 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 4: like many people, have been deeply inspired by doctor West, 31 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 4: both as a scholar but also as a freedom fighter 32 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 4: and one who marches and moves on behalf of our people. 33 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: What made you want to choose Molina doctor Cornell. 34 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: You know, brother, I wanted to choose the best. I 35 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: believe that excellence in the form of vision, courage, willingness 36 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: to put your body on the line. She's a scholar, 37 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: she's an intellectual. She's been to jail many, many, many times. 38 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: They have attacked her in vicious way. She's ill standing 39 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: with a tremendous sense of determination. And in that sense, 40 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: it's just a matter of always acknowledging what we always do. 41 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: And that's true for everybody around here. We'll come from 42 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: a great Black people who have the highest standards of 43 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: excellence within our tradition. And I wanted to put a 44 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: smile on the face of Fanny Louhammer and Martin Luther 45 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: King Jr. Curtis may feel and Nina Simon. That's high 46 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: standards because those of folk who are free, as my 47 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: brother Clifton always says, I want to see whether you're 48 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: on a plantation or not. But it's since they've never 49 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: been on nobody's plantation. That's hard to find these days 50 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: for black folk. And so to be able to work 51 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: with her, work alongside her, learn from her, be instructed 52 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: and inspired, it's a beautiful thing. 53 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: And let the direct show Molina has been to jail 54 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: for good trouble. Donald Trump has been to jail many 55 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: times too, So I just want to put that out there, 56 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 2: good trouble. 57 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 3: I was going to ask you, what keeps you in 58 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: the fight? You know, because it's a lot of money, 59 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: it's a lot of time. It's stressful. They attack you, 60 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 3: They attack every part of your life. They dive deep 61 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 3: into your finances, your taxes. And both of you guys, 62 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: you know you both have families, so they gonna dive 63 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 3: into your family. So what makes you still want to 64 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: put that fight on? 65 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 1: But I got so much love poured into me from 66 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: Irene and Clifton West and Grandma and granddad, from Shiloh 67 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: Baptist Church, Reverend Willie Pecook and Deacon Hinton and others 68 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: that I would have to live three lifetimes to begin 69 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: to pay that back. And then by the time you 70 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: connected with the Black Panther Party, connected with those folks 71 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: I didn't know, the Malcolms and the Fanny Low Hammers 72 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: and others. All that love they poured it, all that courage, 73 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: all that integrity. The least thing I could do is 74 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: tell the truth and seek justice before I meet my 75 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: hand and meet my maker, you know what I mean. 76 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: So I get up with a joy, and I got 77 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: a joy in the world and give me the world 78 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: can't take away. And it's a deep joy tied to 79 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: the struggle and try to try to try and to 80 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: make the world a better face for oppressed people, poor people, 81 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: working people. To deal with all this organized greed and 82 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: institutionalized hatred and rutinize indifference to the vuner raubbul. It's 83 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: a beautiful thing to be in struggle with. This is 84 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: a Molina and the whole host of folk who are 85 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: concerned about making the world a better place with a 86 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: smile and also with a style too, because we come 87 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: out of people that got style and sold Oh, brother. 88 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 4: Malini, I mean for me, I couldn't say it better 89 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 4: than doctor West. It is what we owe our ancestors. 90 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 4: It is what we owe our guide, it is what 91 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 4: we owe our people. And I'll also offer that I'm 92 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 4: a mother of three children, and my three children, two 93 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 4: of the three of them had police called on them 94 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 4: in schools. 95 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 5: When they were six years old for the first time. 96 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 4: And I cannot leave a world as it is for 97 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 4: Tandie way Amara and I'm in. We have to do 98 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 4: the work to make the world better for them. That's 99 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 4: what we owe our ancestors. That's what we owe our people. 100 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 4: That's what we owe our children, and that's what we 101 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 4: owd generations to come. That's what we owe ourselves as well. 102 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 3: I was going to ask what they shold me. I 103 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 3: was going to ask, you know, you guys are running independently, 104 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 3: and people when they questioned the Democrats, or they questioned Biden, 105 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: or they questioned Kamala Harris, they say people are going 106 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: against their race and people are going against what they 107 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 3: quote unquote should be doing. What's your thoughts on that, 108 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 3: because in all actuality, people will say that you guys 109 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 3: are questioning them as well. 110 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. Fanny lou Hammer said, I'm questioning America. 111 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm questioning capitalism, I'm questioning patriarchy, and I'm questioning white supremacy. 112 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: The folk who want to defend Biden and can't say 113 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: a mumbling word about the general side and ethnic cleansing 114 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: and apartheized state of Israel, it means they're turning their backs. Well, no, 115 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: we don't come out of a tradition like that. We 116 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: committed to jamal Leticia in the hood. We committed to 117 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: Wan and juan Nita in the barrio. We committed to 118 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: poor white, we committed Palestinians, we committed to any folk. 119 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: We committed the Jews when they catch in hell, we 120 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: are around. In nineteen thirty we insolidated with the Jews 121 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: against Hitler. Now right now, you got genocide taking place 122 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: in Gaza. We take a stand not out of self righteousness, 123 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: but because we want to be moral and spiritual. That's 124 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: who we are as a people. Man at our best, 125 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about our worst, at our best. And 126 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: therefore you got Trump, dead up, gangster leading the country 127 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: towards Civil War two, Biden war criminal, leading the world 128 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: toward World War three. Now you're gonna choose between Civil 129 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: War two and World War three. What you're gonna do, 130 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: That's the history of black folk. For us, Pharaoh has 131 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: always been on the blows, both sides of the bloody 132 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: red seas. What you're gonna do, Sing a song, what 133 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: you're gonna do, Crack a smile, crack a joke, hug 134 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: organize it, mobilized, and then make a way out of 135 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: no way. That's the history of black folk. How have 136 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: we made a way out of no way? I sit 137 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: here and look at your young brothers. I know what's 138 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: in you. I know your grandparents. I know what they 139 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: been through. They made a way out of no way. 140 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: Look at you sitting there with all this dignity. Couldn't 141 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: do it by yourself. That's that rich tradition inside of you. 142 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: That's all we're trying to do. And that's true for 143 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: my dear sister, going back through Louisiana. We both got 144 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: Louisiana roots deep Louisiana, even though she come out of 145 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: East Oakland, so I mean, you know, she got jumped 146 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: started like East Oakland's like Detroit and Chicago and Mississippi's 147 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: even deeping them, all of them. We won't get into 148 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: that right now. South South Carolina, what was it Month's corner? Yes, sir, 149 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: oh lord. 150 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: You know you brought up the civil war thing. And 151 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: this happened to me this Friday's happened on like I 152 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: think Tuesday ones. I walked downstairs and it was just 153 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: a white guy had on some khakis and nice shoes 154 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: and sweater glasses, looked like a Wall Street type. And 155 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: he was just like, man, you Charlamagne right he goes Man. 156 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: He said, I want you to tell people that it's 157 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: gonna be a war regardless of who wins. And I 158 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: was like, because he didn't even look like the type. 159 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: He wasn't a wild conspiracy theorist. He is like, you 160 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: tell people that it don't matter if Biden went to 161 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: Trump win, there's gonna be a civil war in this country. 162 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: And I was like, yikes, so what makes you feel 163 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: that way? 164 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: Well, we certainly headed that way. That's what civil wars 165 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: are about. When you get organized greed and institutionalized hatred 166 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: running amuck, especially at the top, manipulating every day people 167 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: feeling frustrated, impotent, powerless, and then you escape, go to 168 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: the most vulnerable rather than confront the most powerful, and 169 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: what sits at the center of it white's supremacy. Now 170 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: it's undergirded by capitalism and all the greed that that 171 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: generates profit and so forth. But does that make sense, 172 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: my dear sister, It does. 173 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 4: Make sense, and it makes sense when we talk about 174 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 4: why we have to get involved and why we have 175 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 4: to do something different, why we can't just go along 176 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 4: to get along. So the question about why we're not 177 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 4: just saying, you know, let's let's dust Trump, let's make 178 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 4: sure Trump doesn't get in. Of course Trump is the 179 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 4: embodiment of evil. Of course Trump is the He's a 180 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 4: devil incarnate, absolutely right. But we also have to remember that, 181 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 4: you know, my children and all their friends recognize Joe 182 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 4: Biden as genocidah Joe. 183 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 5: And so we can't just go along to get along. 184 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 4: We can't just say, let's take the lesser of two evils. 185 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 4: The lesser of two evils is still evil. And so 186 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 4: how do we pull ourselves into our highest selves? How 187 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 4: do we say, you know, it's always been true that 188 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 4: white supremacist patriarchal capitalism will try to get us to 189 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:44,119 Speaker 4: celebrate the individual advancement of a few at the expense 190 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 4: of the many, And so we refuse to do that 191 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 4: we say we all must be free. If we're not 192 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 4: all free, nobody's free. 193 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: I got a question for both of y'all when you 194 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 2: talk about this civil war. I don't think the civil 195 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 2: war is going to be between Republicans and Democrats. I 196 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: think it's going to between the haves and the have not. 197 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: What do you think I think? I think that's that's 198 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: that's the serious formulation. But it's hard to know exactly 199 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: what formula because race and white supremacy cuts so deep 200 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: in the country that even well to do black folk 201 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: could be viciously attacked by some of the poor wife folk. 202 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: So that race is gonna be crucial, But the class 203 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: dimension that you talk about will be crucial too, There's 204 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And we know how ugly the 205 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: gender question is. But you got what thirty percent now 206 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: black brothers saying they're gonna vote for gangster Trump. Hey, 207 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: where's that coming from? Well, that's a complicated situation. That's 208 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: just at the moment. We don't know what it's gonna 209 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: be like in November. But once the vicious conflict sets in, 210 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: we don't know what response would be. We just have 211 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: to make sure that we have a moral and spiritual witness. 212 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna be a witness. We're gonna bead witness to 213 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: the best of the traditions of our people that has 214 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: preserved our dignity and our sanity, regardless of what the 215 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: circumstances is. Because you got to keep in mind, there's 216 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: been a war against indigenous peoples for about six hundred years. 217 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: There's been a war against black folk for four hundred years. 218 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: We at war right now. So we're just talking about 219 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: the hot war versus the cold. You go to mass 220 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: incarceration and the jails and so forth, and on sloop 221 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: by the Muomea because he got his birthday coming up 222 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: seven ozer, but he been in a war. So the 223 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: war's always ongoing. But the question what form it will take? 224 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: And we have to decide personally and collectively, are we 225 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: gonna hold on to some sense of morality and spirituality 226 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: giving all this barbarity? 227 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 2: What do you think believe? Who do you think the 228 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: war will be between? 229 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're right on about the halves and 230 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 4: the have nots, And it's those who also identify with 231 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 4: the haves and the havelf nights, right, So you have 232 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 4: plenty of poor people plenty of poor white people, especially 233 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 4: who identify with the halves, even though they themselves are 234 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 4: the have nuts. And so it's really important that we 235 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 4: awaken people to what their real interests are. Right, that 236 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 4: we awaken poor people, working class people, regardless of race, 237 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 4: to what their interests are. 238 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 5: And so as we awaken folks, we. 239 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 4: Can lock arms and engage in whatever struggle needs to 240 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 4: take place for the liberation of beginning with black people 241 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 4: and extending to all oppressed people. 242 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 3: How do we get people to get out of the 243 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 3: mind frame where I only can vote for Democrat or Republican? Right, 244 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 3: I say it all the time. A lot of people 245 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 3: are from years and years and years of grandparents voting Democrat, 246 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 3: and great grandparents and the parents and then yourselves. How 247 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 3: do we get him out to think outside of the box, right, 248 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: Because automatically, when somebody sees somebody running as an independent, 249 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: they think, well he is or there's no way that 250 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 3: they can possibly win. They're just somebody in there to 251 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 3: start trouble and to mess up the Democrats. How do 252 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: we get people to change that view? 253 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think part of it is, you know, Curtis 254 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: Mayfield got this song no Thing on Me I'm so 255 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 1: glad I got my own, so glad that I can 256 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: see my life is a natural high. The man can't 257 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: put no thing on me. It depends on what you see. 258 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: When we see, we have to see a system. You 259 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: can't just look at two parties. You got to see 260 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: how both of them are tied to Wall Street, a Pentagon, 261 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: both of them tied to war, both of them tied 262 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: to greed, and so you have to have an understanding 263 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: of how the system operates and then say, ah, I 264 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: want to be critical of the system. I'm not just 265 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: critical of Trump's gangsterism. I can see how Trump's gangsterism 266 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: is inseparable from Biden's genocidal policies, facilitating genocide and Gaza. 267 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: So you begin to see how the system operates and connects. 268 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: What's happening with the Palestinians in Gaza, but what's happening 269 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: in Black Folk and Harlem, what's happened with poul Whites 270 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: in Kentucky, what's happening with poor Latinos in East And 271 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 1: that is a different way of seeing the world. That's 272 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: why our artists, at their height, none needed Simons and others. 273 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: They help us to see things. We didn't see. Then 274 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: the question becomes how do you implement? How do you execute? 275 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: Usually when you see and you raise your voice, you 276 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: get incarcerated or assassinated. That's what the system does to 277 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: free black people. So you have to be willing to 278 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: pay that cost. And that's exactly what the cost we're 279 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: willing to pay. How come because we love the people 280 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: and the only thing that breaks the back of fear 281 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: is love. And if you don't love the people, then 282 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: get out of the way and go on and sell out, 283 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: going and sell your soul for mesapology and tell people lies, 284 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: tell them how great Biden is. Tell them Biden has 285 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: always been concerned with portfolio. He's an architect of mass incarceration. 286 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: That's a crime against humanity. I've taught in prisons for 287 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: forty one years. I've seen it go from two hundred 288 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: thousand to two point three million right before my very eyes. 289 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: That's a crime against humanity. That's my brothers and sisters 290 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: in there. Don't lie, don't don't want to be lying 291 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: on Biden in that sense. So is that kind of 292 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: truth telling that we need, and that's kind of and 293 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: is rooted in love. 294 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: Why do they act like you know as a black 295 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: person you can't speak that kind of truth but still 296 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 2: know what's in your best interest to do come November. 297 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 2: Why do they act like why do they act like 298 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 2: those two things can't happen at the same time, Belina, I. 299 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 5: Think that there. 300 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 4: You know, when we talk about this duopoly of Democrats 301 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 4: and Republicans, they want to lock us into these very 302 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 4: narrow choices. Black people are the most critical people, the 303 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 4: most discerning people, the most creative people on this planet, right, 304 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 4: and they want to block us from that creativity because 305 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 4: that kind of creativity gives birth to new ideas but 306 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 4: also new worlds, Right. 307 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 5: So I want to. 308 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 4: Lock in and be clear about what this campaign is about. 309 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 4: That we're advancing alternative visions. As Harriet Tubman abolitionists, we 310 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 4: absolutely want to topple systems of harm. 311 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 5: We want to topple. 312 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 4: Systems of prisons that descend from plantations and policing that 313 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 4: descend from slave catchers. And as Harriet Tubman abolitionists, we 314 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 4: also know that as we tear down systems of harm, 315 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 4: we want to build new systems of care that we 316 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 4: can have if we make different choices. Imagine what would 317 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 4: happen if we had the one hundred and something billion 318 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 4: dollars that Joe Biden just sent to fuel genocide and gaza. 319 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 5: What if we had that for housing. 320 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 4: What if we had those resources that are poured into 321 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 4: police in major cities. It's about half of the unrestricted 322 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 4: funds that go to policing, even though police don't make 323 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 4: us more safe. What if we had those dollars instead 324 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 4: for healthcare? What if we had those dollars instead or education? 325 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 4: These are simple and easy choices, and so that doopoly 326 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 4: that's owned by corporations wants to lock us out so 327 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 4: that they can keep the vision and the possibilities narrow. 328 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 5: We're saying no more of that. 329 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 4: Our possibilities are expansive and beautiful and creative, and we 330 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 4: have to shake off this world that really sucks the 331 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 4: life out of our people and puts targets on the 332 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 4: backs of our children. 333 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 2: You know, Molina, you founded, you were the co founder 334 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 2: of the LA chapter of the Black Lives Matter movement, 335 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 2: and in twenty twenty two you got police took you 336 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: out of a Marrow debate. Well, I'm not gonna say 337 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: took you out, that'd be kindie. They dragged you out. 338 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: You know what, was the reasoning behind that. 339 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 4: They carried me out by all fours, so that means 340 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 4: on each limb I had a different cop pulling me 341 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 4: from each limb on the last day Ramadan with my 342 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 4: legs sprawled open. It was not only brutal, it was humiliating. 343 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 4: It was dehumanizing. There is no just defiable reason for 344 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 4: them doing that. I don't know the reason that they 345 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 4: did that. I can surmise that they thought I was 346 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 4: there to do something that I wasn't there to do. 347 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 4: I was simply there to watch a mayoral debate. By training, 348 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 4: I'm at my PhDs in political science, and we had 349 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 4: the first viable black woman for mayor who's now our mayor, 350 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 4: Karen Bass. My research is on black women's leadership, so 351 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 4: of course I wanted to be on my own campus. 352 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 4: I wanted to be on my own campus watching that debate, 353 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 4: and so I think that that's absolutely despicable. Still haven't 354 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 4: gotten a real apology or any remedy from the school. 355 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 4: The school still continues to harass me, sending police into 356 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 4: my office, searching my office and telling me they'll be 357 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 4: back for me. 358 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 5: And this is the reason why. 359 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 4: We want to advance policies like removing police from our campuses. 360 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 4: Our campuses don't have enough care councilors, they don't have 361 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 4: enough scholars, they don't have enough staff to clean up, 362 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 4: but we have police that were spending millions and millions 363 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 4: of dollars on. 364 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 2: I'm sorry you had to go through all of that 365 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: is the true that you sued BLM. 366 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 4: I sued, and I should be very clear. Black Lives 367 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 4: Matter grass Roots, which is the side of Black Lives 368 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 4: Matter that I represent where the boots on the ground. 369 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 4: We're thirty three chapters around the country. Black Lives Matter 370 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 4: grass Roots is the real BLM. When you think of 371 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 4: Black Lives Matter being in the streets, organizing alongside families, that's. 372 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 5: Who we are. In twenty twenty two. 373 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 4: Our resources and platforms were stolen by a group of 374 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 4: highly paid consultants, and we know we have a right 375 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 4: to those things back, and so we sued them after 376 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 4: trying to convince them to do the right thing, and 377 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 4: that wasn't going to happen. They refused to listen to 378 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 4: the voices of the people. We did file a lawsuit 379 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 4: in September of twenty twenty two. 380 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: Okay, well, let me just add this though. You see 381 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: when they attacked our dear sistant, and they do it 382 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: over and over again, And that's true for so many 383 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: of us go to jail and so on. That we're threats, 384 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: you see, that's a compliment. That means that we're true 385 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 1: to our calling. And you can have a calling as 386 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: a secular person. You can have a calling as a 387 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: religious person. You see, I'm a Jesus loving free black 388 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: man who wants to be true to the call. So 389 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: if I'm not constituting a threat, then how am I 390 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: following with Jesus who went into the temple and ran 391 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: out the money changes they put him on the cross. No, 392 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: my dear sister's Muslim. She's a law loving free black woman, 393 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: mercy justice Koran, and you constitute a threat. So when 394 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: she's willing to pay that kind of cost, that's the 395 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: sign of courage, integrity, and it's connected to a calling. 396 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: You got to have some call. If all you got 397 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: is your career, then you on somebody's plantation and any 398 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: any carriage that they dangle in front of you, you're 399 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: gonna opt for. But when you have a calling and 400 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: a professor, distinguished scholar and so forth, that that my 401 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: dear sister. Is she's true to something bigger than her 402 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: in her career. What is it? Well, it's the people, 403 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: but it's also her God. Now, people get upset sometimes 404 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: we talk about God in politics. I said, no, we're 405 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: not saying anybody got to follow us, but we got 406 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: to be true to where were coming from. We got 407 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: to be true to what teaches us. Going preserves our 408 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: sanity and our dignity, and it's just not God. We 409 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: talk about Curtis Mayfield. You talking about Curtis may Film, 410 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: John Coltrane all the time. I'm talking about folk who 411 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: keep me sane now, and I'm and therefore that I 412 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: won't be stopped from that. But I won't allow others 413 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: to feel as if I'm imposing God on them, or 414 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: Christianity on them, or Islam on them, or Buddhism. With 415 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: bell hooks and others were being candid about what's inside 416 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: of us, and we're being open in terms of people 417 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: being canned, what's inside of him? 418 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 3: What policies would you implement that you feel that biding 419 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 3: is not doing for black people? 420 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: Biden, Trump and Trump, Well, first things, reparations. Second thing 421 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: is abolition of poverty. Abolition of on housements, supporting militant 422 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: wing of the trade union movement that's fighting for wages 423 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: for workers across the board. And what my dear sister 424 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: was talking about disinvestment for military eight hundred military units 425 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: around the world, special operations in one hundred and thirty countries. 426 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: That's an empire. We're anti im peerless. America don't need 427 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: to be an empire. We got to be a nation 428 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: among other nations. We don't need to dominate every nook 429 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: and cranny of the world. So all of those resources, 430 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: the traders of dollars going into military, sixty two cent 431 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: for every one dollar in the discretion and every budget 432 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: that's going to housing, we can stop this gentrification taking places, 433 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: power grab and land grab, which you're out poor and 434 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: working people, pushing up the prices, the greed of Wall Street, 435 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: degree of corporations and oligopolies and monopolies, and dealing with 436 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: the ecological crisis with the fossil fuel companies. So that 437 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: that is a way of going back to Kurz Mayfield. 438 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: What we see the lens through which you view the world, 439 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: and we view the world through the lens of those 440 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: friends were known call the wretched of the earth. I 441 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: don't view the world through stock market. I don't view 442 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 1: the world through how many black faces are in high 443 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: places when their cousins getting crushed. It's a different way 444 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: of engaging politics. It's what my brother calls a paradigm shift. 445 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: We are not politicians. She been running for justice all 446 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: of her adult life. I've been running for justice all 447 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: of my adult life. We need people to get in 448 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: politics who already been running for justice, running for truth 449 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: and into politics. Don't into politics and think all of 450 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: a sudden you're gonna be a truth teller. That ain't 451 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: gonna happen. 452 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: Are y'all getting Are you getting black belt doctor Corne West? 453 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 2: From media? From the MSNBC's seeing and are they having 454 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: you on? 455 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: Well, I've never been, you know, on MSNBC that much 456 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: because they retired to Obama and we got a history 457 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: that But seeing n it's been kind. We were on 458 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: h just the abbey last night. 459 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 2: Right, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Biden Trump, uh, you 460 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: know the the rematches is coming in November. What do 461 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 2: you think the Democrats have done? Well, we know, we 462 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 2: know who the Republicans are, But what do you think 463 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 2: the Democrats have done well. 464 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: If anything, the one thing they did was cut child 465 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: poverty in half, okay, because we put a lot of 466 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: pressure on and what happened, It expired and it's doubled again, 467 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: you see. So they did something well for a little 468 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: bit and then fell back, and of course we got 469 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: a long thing at what they're not doing well. But 470 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: my dear sister, you jump right there, right. 471 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 4: I mean, I think that there are individual Democrats who 472 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 4: are doing really beautiful things, who are stepping forward and 473 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 4: courage So Corey Bush is an inspiration to me. 474 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 5: Jamaal Bawman is doing phenomenal work. 475 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 4: Ayana Presley is carrying a bill for US right now 476 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 4: called the Ending Qualified Immunity Act. And so I think 477 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 4: that there are some courageous Democrats. Unfortunately they are too 478 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 4: few and far between. So overall is a political party. 479 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 4: They are cowering to corporate interests. They are abiding by 480 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 4: what corporations want, what the few want, as you put it, 481 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 4: what the haves. 482 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 5: Want, rather than representing what the working class people want. 483 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,479 Speaker 4: They're not supporting people like one of the people I'm 484 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 4: most inspired by is down the street from you, Chris Malls, 485 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 4: and the Amazon Labors. 486 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, Chris is my. 487 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 4: Folks, and you know that's the kind of labor union 488 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 4: we want. And we're not seeing the kind of support 489 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 4: for real labor, for radical labor unions like we need, 490 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 4: like we should be expecting from the Democratic Party, although 491 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 4: there are some individual courageous Democrats. 492 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 2: What do you think about the student loan forgiveness? 493 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: Oh shoot, that should have been in place a long 494 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: time ago, Oh my god, across the board. And not 495 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: only that, but well to have free education, free healthcare, 496 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,239 Speaker 1: and we ought to have a right to housing. It 497 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: was just a reclaimed movement there on the East Side 498 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: Cafe in Los Angeles, and he got all these homes 499 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: empty and got hundreds and hundreds of folk nowhere to go. 500 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: And of course we know Pastor Q in skid Row 501 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: right the church with our wall Q. 502 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 4: We know Los Angeles Community Action Network again, our policies, 503 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 4: and if you look at our platform at Cornell West 504 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, I was before I was invited onto 505 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 4: this ticket. I was inspired by the platform. I was 506 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 4: inspired by doctor West. I was inspired by a visionary 507 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 4: plan to build what we can have when we make 508 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 4: different choices, when we were used to again fuel genocide 509 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 4: at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars. 510 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 5: Right, we can't have housing for all. 511 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 4: When you ask about student debt, you know there is 512 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 4: a cancelation of a limited amount of student debt, but 513 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 4: there shouldn't be student debt in the first place because 514 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 4: education should be free from birth through doctorate. Education should 515 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 4: be free. And so these are the kinds of choices 516 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 4: that we make. We know that budgets are some of 517 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 4: the most serious moral and ethical documents, and they are 518 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 4: zero sum games. So if you're spending on a military 519 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 4: industrial complex, you're not housing your folks. And we want 520 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 4: to make the choice to house our folks, to feed 521 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 4: our folks, to provide quality healthcare for all. Those are 522 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 4: the things that you'll get, and those are the things 523 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 4: that we're proposing to the world to make different choices 524 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 4: with this campaign. 525 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 2: How would you handle the di situation if you're president, 526 00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: doctor Corneway. 527 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: We never use the language THEI. What is diversity? No, 528 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: we're talking about truth and justice. We got a visious 529 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: legacy white supremaceriesclude black folk for over one hundred some years. 530 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: And then you're gonna say, well, we got a diversity 531 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: program for y'all. Now, no, we want truth, we want justice. 532 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: It's reparations. And therefore the language was wrong. The language 533 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: was a deodorized, sanitized language that concealed the funk. But 534 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: we come out of a funk master oriented people. We 535 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: want to get beneath this deodorized language. We want to 536 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: ensure that black folk gang accests to whatever opportunities they 537 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: can give them the fact they've been excluded. So diversity 538 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: and equity and inclusion became this strategy for those who 539 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: had power and resources to think that somehow we were 540 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: getting something that we hardly deserved. So already he got 541 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: the wrong lens which your viewing things. But we had to. 542 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: We had to go with it because you fighting. My 543 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: sister says that you put it so well, uh, yesterday, right. 544 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: You fight for the crumbs, fight for the crumbs, but 545 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: you know they're still crumbs, and you know that in 546 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: the end, we've got to make sure that those who 547 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: benefit are not just the black middle class, the black bourgeoise. 548 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: We support them in becoming inclusive. Usually when they get 549 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: in there, they sell out, but not always, not always, 550 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: but usually they do. You know, that's a human thing. 551 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: Black folk an't don't them on doing that. But we 552 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: got to always view the litmus tests. And here I 553 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: get Biblical twenty fifth chapter, Matthew, what you doing to 554 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: the least of these? You do unto me? The prisoners, 555 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: the poor, the widow, the orphan, the fatherless, the motherless. 556 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: What's happening with pressous, Jamal and Leticia on the block? 557 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: That's the litmus test. No matter how much success we are, 558 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: and it's a beautiful thing, if we lose sight of them, 559 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: we have already violated are calling. And of course part 560 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: of it is all of us, just generations back sometimes 561 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: a few years back, we were right there. That's that's 562 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: who we are, you see. And so for me, the 563 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: DEI issue is one of which it never it never 564 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: should have been dee I should have been truth, justice. 565 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: But now DEI you support it, and you know it's 566 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: a vicious attack on black folk. You see it at Harvard. 567 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: It's a sad thing. Sister Claudine becomes a poster child 568 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: for anti Semitism. I ain't got an anti Semitic bone 569 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: and a Haitian body. That's sick. That's ridiculous. 570 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 4: And I'm just add you know it was already said brilliantly. 571 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 4: But I've been thinking also about it overnight. The eye 572 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 4: the inclusion part. 573 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 5: I actually don't want. 574 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 4: To be included in a fundamentally oppressive system, right, So 575 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 4: the inclusion, the I is reminding us that they're not 576 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 4: willing to transform an oppressive system into a liberatory one. 577 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 4: They're only willing to say a few of y'all can 578 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 4: come in the door. 579 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 5: And what we want. 580 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 4: Is the transformation of these systems so that we can 581 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 4: all use them for our liberation and freedom. 582 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 2: Right. 583 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 4: We do want quality education, We do want accessible education. 584 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 4: We do want liberatory models of education, where ethnic studies, 585 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 4: where Pan African studies, which is what I teach, is 586 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 4: part it's foundational because it's as important for you to 587 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 4: take a class for me as it is to take 588 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 4: a math class. I don't know a bit of algebra, right, 589 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 4: I don't know a bit of algebra anymore. But I 590 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 4: do not need to know my history, my background, my 591 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 4: power house systems work, And so we want liberatory models 592 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 4: of education, not just an inclusion into a system that's 593 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 4: fundamentally oppressive. 594 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 2: Doctor Cornyerweather, did you see Avion Crockett's impression to you 595 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 2: in the movie at Hip hop story. No, Yeah, he 596 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: did his thing. 597 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: Is that right? 598 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 2: You gotta check it out. 599 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: I got to check that you mentioned that stuff. 600 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 4: You know. 601 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,719 Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't a disrespectful impersonation at all. 602 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: He had his fro and everything everything. He's probably so 603 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: much more handsome than I am. But that's all right, 604 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: that's all right. I work with it. I work with 605 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: how can. 606 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 3: People donate and make sure they support and follow the cause? 607 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what their sister said. It's corner West 608 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: two o two for dot Com, Corner West two o 609 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: two for dot Com. We are turning the corner. And 610 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: the fact that Malina Abdul said yes takes us to 611 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: a different level because we got new vision, new intellect, 612 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: new energy, new courage coming together. And when brother Tabis 613 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: Smiley formulated that, and we always wanted to start with tablets, 614 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: we'd like to support black folk in media and so forth, 615 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: we with Tim Black and so on that when he 616 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: said historic ticket of two black folk, and you say, well, 617 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: it's not just two black folks, it's too visionary, courageous 618 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: people loving black folk. You see, to mean, Tammy Trell 619 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: is very and Marvin Gay is very different than just 620 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: any duet. That's what Barry Gordy understood. So yes, it's 621 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: about skin pigmentation. But the deeper level is it's people 622 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:32,479 Speaker 1: who love the people, sacrifice, serve the people. Know you 623 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: could be wrong, listen to the people reveling the people's 624 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: humanity and creativity and music and culture, but then love 625 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: them enough to correct them, respect them, protect them, correct them, 626 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: and be corrected to. That's right, and that's what we 627 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: have with this twosome and we on the move, as 628 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: Mumi mal would say, on the move. 629 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 3: All right, well, we appreciate you guys for joining us. 630 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: And that's all they tell you about the Cornell West. 631 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 2: Don't be a stranger, bro. 632 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 3: That's right. 633 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: Were you so kind you said that. 634 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 2: I would? 635 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 3: It's right, doctor Cornell West. 636 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 2: Molina Abdullah, thank. 637 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 3: You for joining us. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. 638 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. 639 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 2: Breakfast Club.