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Speaker 1: if you saw, Maddie. The comment by Zach Wilson. Zach

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Speaker 1: But the question is you have one less preseason games,

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Speaker 1: is it going to be the same. And for someone

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Speaker 1: like the Bills, where Sean McDermott talked about, I'm so

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Speaker 1: comfortable with this roster, at least the front end. I

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Speaker 1: know these guys, I know what they can do. They

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Speaker 1: were on the team last year, the year before. He

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Speaker 1: may feel like he doesn't really have to get a

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Speaker 1: look at them in preseason because he already knows what

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Speaker 1: to expect and he doesn't want to put them out

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Speaker 1: So I would say for the Bills, we're going to

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Speaker 1: entire preseason really, and so going against the Lions, if

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Speaker 1: they do get a chance to see some starters, this

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Speaker 1: is going to really help out the rookies, help out

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Speaker 1: some of those second third string guys who are fighting

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Speaker 1: for a chance to make the roster. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be good for them to go up against anyone other

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Speaker 1: than themselves at this point through twelve training camp practices, right,

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Speaker 1: And I think we have to remember this too, And

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Speaker 1: Campbell said his starters are going to play some and

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Speaker 1: then I think he threw in up to a quarter.

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Speaker 1: So I think we have to remember where the Bills

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Speaker 1: new head coach, new coaching staff, myriad of new players

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Speaker 1: and new schemes in all three phases, so they need

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Speaker 1: like this. So yeah, I do expect their starters to

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Speaker 1: So that'll be good competition for you know, a lot

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Speaker 1: of the second teamers and third teamers as we mentioned

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Speaker 1: for the Bills. But let us know which player on

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Speaker 1: offense and defense you're keeping your eye on during Friday

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Speaker 1: nights preseason game against the Lions. Maddie, did you have

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Speaker 1: any names that immediately popped into your head? When we

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Speaker 1: were discussing this this as a show topic today for

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Speaker 1: the Twitter poll. I mean, Brownie, I have probably like

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Speaker 1: ten names of guys that I am going to have

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Speaker 1: my eye on. I'm sure you do too. It's hard

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Speaker 1: to just pick one player on this roster with some

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Speaker 1: of the younger guys and some of the new players

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Speaker 1: who have shined at points in training camp. I mean,

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Speaker 1: going down my little roster cheat sheet that we've gotten

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Speaker 1: at practices, I mean, I'm excited to see. Starting with

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, I want to see Spencer Brown. He's

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Speaker 1: been on the field so much during this training camp.

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Speaker 1: He's had his wins and he's had his losses, and

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Speaker 1: he talked about that when he talked to the media

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Speaker 1: yesterday after practice. Learning from those losses and learning from

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Speaker 1: those wins. I want to see him against a different team,

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Speaker 1: tackling people, going up against people. Of course, it's not

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Speaker 1: going to be doing any tackling per Sasance, he's an

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman, but getting those live reps that are important

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Speaker 1: in pass pro, what he can do in the run game.

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Speaker 1: I want to see what I Bucker can do. This

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Speaker 1: is someone who's not technically new to the roster, but

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Speaker 1: This is someone who could be a really good rotational

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Speaker 1: player in that offensive line, who we did see start

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Speaker 1: in some games last season, and I want to see

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Speaker 1: what he's gonna do. Going down to running back, Antonio Williams,

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Speaker 1: He's someone who's gotten quite a few reps during training

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Speaker 1: camp as well and has had his days where's he

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Speaker 1: stood out among the running backs. Matt Brita a new

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Speaker 1: running back to this offense, what is his role going

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Speaker 1: to look like? He's a veteran player, so we may

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Speaker 1: not see him at all, or we may not see

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Speaker 1: much of him just because he's someone who's played a

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Speaker 1: lot more in the league rather than someone like Antonio Williams.

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Speaker 1: I mean wide receivers Isaiah Hodgens, Brandon Powell, Jake Kumer

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Speaker 1: looking at I'm sure that crosses over with you for

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Speaker 1: some of these guys if we're starting off of the

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Speaker 1: offense first. Yeah, I mean I had Brown and Hodgens

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Speaker 1: checked off on my list. I also had Brita, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: you and I are kind of thinking along those same lines.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much or if we will see

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Speaker 1: Jacob Hollis, dear because you know, he had only just

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Speaker 1: come off the back injury to return to practice this week,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to I'm not I'm more interested in

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Speaker 1: seeing how he's utilized than i am in evaluating is

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Speaker 1: he good enough to be on the roster. I think

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Speaker 1: his time in the league confirms that. I'm more curious

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Speaker 1: how is Brian Dable going to use him? And I

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Speaker 1: know we're gonna have vanilla schemes and they're not going

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Speaker 1: to play their hand as to what they're gonna do

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Speaker 1: in the regular season all that much, but I'm just

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Speaker 1: curious more as to how they're going to deploy him.

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Speaker 1: Is it going to be similar to that of Dawson

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Speaker 1: Knox or might his role look a little different when

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Speaker 1: he is out there? So that's kind of the motivation

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Speaker 1: with him. And then I'm curious just from a pure

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Speaker 1: what's this guy got to offer perspective? With Bug Howard,

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Speaker 1: that late tight end dad at the beginning of training

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Speaker 1: camp seems like an athletic kid lou athlete. They've even

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Speaker 1: had him on special teams, and anytime you see a

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Speaker 1: guy low on a depth chart at a position playing

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Speaker 1: on special teams, that means he's got a better chance

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Speaker 1: than some that are deep on a roster at a position.

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Speaker 1: And so again this is more of a curiosity thing.

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Speaker 1: Do I think he's gonna leap frog like three guys

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Speaker 1: at tight end and make the roster? Not really, But

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Speaker 1: it's those guys on the bottom end that also play

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Speaker 1: special teams. A lot of times I'm just like, I

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Speaker 1: wonder what that guy's got. Like, I'm not like, Oho,

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Speaker 1: is he gonna make the roster. It's more like, does

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Speaker 1: this guy have something to offer? Maybe even not now,

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Speaker 1: but is he gonna be able to show enough to

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Speaker 1: maybe earn a practice squad spot and then the team

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Speaker 1: works with him and they develop him and then maybe

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Speaker 1: a year from now, maybe even two years from now.

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Speaker 1: Like you look at Josh Thomas, that safety on the

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Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. Kid comes in as an

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Speaker 1: undrafted rookie, he makes the practice squad, he's on the

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Speaker 1: practice squad the whole year. Now he's fighting for one

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Speaker 1: of those BA up safety rolls. Like that's the kind

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Speaker 1: of interest I have in Bug Howard, Like what is

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Speaker 1: there enough there that's going to convince the Bills to

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Speaker 1: work with him? What do you have? Oh? You know what,

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Speaker 1: let's take a break here, and then we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: who you have your eye on for the defensive side

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Speaker 1: of the ball, and we'll run through that side as

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Speaker 1: we will also be taking your phone calls at eight fifty.

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Speaker 1: Which player on offense and defense are you keeping your

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Speaker 1: eye on during Friday nights pre season opener in Detroit

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Speaker 1: against the Lions. Let Mannie and I know we'll take

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Speaker 1: a break here, but be back with that next on

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Speaker 1: One Bill's Live, presented by Colloid to Health, It's Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bills Radio. All right, welcome back. As we are talking

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Speaker 1: about the players on offense and defense, we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: keeping our eye on Friday night and explaining why. And

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Speaker 1: you have the opportunity to let us know who you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be looking at a little more closely than maybe

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Speaker 1: some of the others taking the field for the Bills

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Speaker 1: on Friday night against the Lions. Eight h three oh

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Speaker 1: five fifty one eighty five fifty two five fifty or

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Speaker 1: on the tweet sheet at one Bills Live. So let's

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Speaker 1: go to the defensive side of the ball here, Maddie,

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Speaker 1: and who did you kind of check off who's got

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Speaker 1: a big check mark next to their name for you

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Speaker 1: for Friday Night, all right. The easy answers on the

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Speaker 1: defensive line are Greg Russo and Boogie Basham. I think

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Speaker 1: everyone is excited to see what these guys look like

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Speaker 1: against some live reps and how many live reps they'll get.

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Speaker 1: But it'll be fun to see them in their first

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Speaker 1: preseason game as an NFL player. I mean, other than

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Speaker 1: that fa Obata, Darryl Johnson, He's he's always good for

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Speaker 1: a couple crazy plays every season where he just showcases

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Speaker 1: his athleticism. He's been on the team what a couple

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Speaker 1: of years now, huge special teams guy. Of course, you

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Speaker 1: talked about how important it is to be a special

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Speaker 1: teams player if you're one of those second string, third

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Speaker 1: string guys, and how you can really solidify a spot

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Speaker 1: on this team by being a special team player. Darryl

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Speaker 1: Johnson is one of those guys safety you mentioned, Josh Thomas,

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Speaker 1: Damar Hamlin, one of those newer players. Jaquan Johnson is

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Speaker 1: someone who's been a special team's ace. Has been talked

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Speaker 1: about by Heath Farwell, our special teams coordinator. He's someone

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Speaker 1: who is kind of waiting in the wings. I mean

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Speaker 1: Micah Hyde, Jordan Employer, back there, you're not gonna get

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Speaker 1: too many reps. But in these preseason games, some of

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Speaker 1: these guys should be cool and exciting to watch to

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Speaker 1: see what they can do. And then cornerback. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to see Rashad Wild Goose Dan Jackson if he gets

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Speaker 1: any reps. Ran Neil is someone who has had a

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Speaker 1: pretty good training camp. At least in the start of

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Speaker 1: training camp. He was definitely showcasing his athleticism. Had a

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Speaker 1: couple interceptions there in the beginning of training camp, and

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Speaker 1: then guys were asked about him. Everyone said, he's one

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Speaker 1: of the most athletic players on this roster. So those

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Speaker 1: are a couple of defensive guys that I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: that I'm looking forward to seeing in this preseason game

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Speaker 1: on Friday night. What about you, Brownie. Before I get

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Speaker 1: to that, NFL Networks Tom Pella sero it just tweeted

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Speaker 1: this out. The NFL informed clubs today they'll now be

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Speaker 1: permitted to sign or elevate international players to the active roster,

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Speaker 1: subject to certain rules, per a source. Now we don't

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Speaker 1: know exactly what all the rules are, but he basically says,

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Speaker 1: if any of the fourteen players in the international Pathway

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Speaker 1: program this year earn a shot they'd be eligible to

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Speaker 1: play in regular season NFL games. So previously, the rule is,

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Speaker 1: or the rule has been, if you put an international

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Speaker 1: pathway player on your practice squad, they are stuck there

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Speaker 1: the entire year. They cannot be elevated to your active roster.

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Speaker 1: They are on the practice squad, and that is it.

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Speaker 1: So short of being signed away from your team by

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Speaker 1: another team to be put on an active roster, they're

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Speaker 1: stuck there. It doesn't appear that that is going to

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Speaker 1: be a roadblock anymore. They will be eligible to be

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Speaker 1: presumably elevated. By the way this reads from Tom Pelo

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Speaker 1: sero very interesting news for someone like Christian Wade and

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Speaker 1: fa Obada, Although Obada, I think we would agree it

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Speaker 1: looks like he's going to have a pretty good shot

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Speaker 1: to make the Bill's roster all by himself. Anyway. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say fa Obada is someone who is definitely

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Speaker 1: has a really good chance to make this roster based

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Speaker 1: on what he did last year, based on his familiarity

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Speaker 1: with this defense, and just based on the athleticism that

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Speaker 1: he's shown through practices. The first couple of weeks, he's

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Speaker 1: had a couple of sacks and practices. But yeah, Christian

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Speaker 1: Wade is someone who's been on this team for two

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Speaker 1: years now, heading into his third season in that international

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Speaker 1: Pathway players Pathway program, has had a chance in preseason games.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the way that that rule read the previous seasons,

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Speaker 1: he really didn't get a shot to come up and

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Speaker 1: see any action because he was on that practice squad

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Speaker 1: for the entire year. So it's good for him if

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Speaker 1: this is the case for this rule. We know that

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Speaker 1: he's injured now, so I wouldn't expect to see him

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Speaker 1: at all in Friday's preseason game. Yeah, and that was

646
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to talk about bad luck. I mean,

647
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: here's a guy that needs preseason games, not only to

648
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: get himself some experience. As fa Obada was telling us

649
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: in his press conference earlier in the week, you know,

650
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: we're picking this game up late. We're trying to make

651
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: up for lost time to gain valuable instincts that everybody

652
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: lining up with us has had since probably aged twelve

653
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: or thirteen, and we're trying to pick this game up

654
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: as young twenty somethings and it's hard. So first, he

655
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: doesn't get any preseason games, last year because of the

656
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: pandemic that hurts him in terms of getting valuable experience

657
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: and developing his skills in pro football. And now this year,

658
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: we get to the first preseason game and he's got

659
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: his arm in a sling with a shoulder injury. I mean,

660
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: it's bad luck. I just feel bad for the guy

661
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: because I you know, I thought he was a very

662
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: brave guy. I mean, he was an accomplished rugby player.

663
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: And to make this kind of a change, career change

664
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Speaker 1: at age twenty eight and try to do it at

665
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: the highest possible level of football that there is on

666
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: the planet, you know, that's a brave decision. And to

667
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: be hit with bad luck to kind of throw roadblocks

668
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: in his way, I mean, that's just got to be

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00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: frustrating to the umteenth degree. But who knows. The way

670
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Speaker 1: this plays out, this might afford him an opportunity that

671
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: he previously may not have had to maybe get a

672
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: crack some way, somehow in a regular season game. But

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00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: getting back to our conversation, Maddie, the people I'm looking

674
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: at here, the guys that jumped out on the defensive

675
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: side of the ball. For me, Obada, I want to

676
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: just see in a regular season game setting. I've tried

677
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: to watch some of his games in Carolina, but I

678
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: kind of want to see him here Rousseau, obviously for

679
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: some of the same reasons you mentioned. I want to

680
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: see AJ in a game setting. We've heard nothing but

681
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: glowing remarks about how much he's elevated his game and

682
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: his body composition and all of that. Now, let's see

683
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: the proof in the pudding and see what we get there.

684
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: And then I jump quickly to the secondary. Now, Dane

685
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: Jackson is a guy that has not had a strong

686
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: training camp. His play has been very uneven through the

687
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: first two and a half weeks. I don't know if

688
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: I should stamp him this, but I wonder about this.

689
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: Is this a guy who, when the lights come on

690
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: and the game is being played, is a much more

691
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: consistent performer than he might be in a practice setting.

692
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: So for his sake, we might hope that he is,

693
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: because that would afford him a better opportunity of getting

694
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: on the field more like Is he a gamer? I

695
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: guess is the question I am asking going into this

696
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: first preseason game, knowing how one even his play has

697
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: been in the practice setting through the first two and

698
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: a half weeks. And then Josh Thomas is a guy

699
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: that intrigues me. He's a very athletic player, but is

700
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: he going to be able to hold off somebody like

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00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: a Damar Hamlin, you know, for a fourth safety job

702
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: behind the two veteran starters. And I think everybody feels

703
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: like Jikwan Johnson has been here long enough and is

704
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: a sharp player that he's probably going to be He

705
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: stands a good chance of, you know, being the first

706
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: safety off the bench if there's an injury. But I

707
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: want to see what Josh Thomas has to offer in

708
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: a game setting. And then the last guy is Siran Neil,

709
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: who may finally be comfortable enough in this defensive scheme

710
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: where he might be able to challenge somebody for a role.

711
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: So I'd like to see what he can offer in

712
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: this game because he's you know, he's he's had I think,

713
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: not spectacular, but I think he's been pretty consistent. This

714
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: is the most consistent training camp I think he has

715
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: had on the defensive side of the ball in his

716
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: three plus years here. And you look at a guy

717
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: like Seran Neil and you can't help but think about

718
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: how athletic a player like him could be just his build.

719
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: He's not the tallest cornerback there is, but he has

720
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: got a lot of muscle on his body, and I

721
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: think he uses that to his strengths when when he's

722
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: lining up against some of these wide receivers, when he's

723
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: able to punch the ball out, when he's able to

724
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: have pass breakups, when he's able to get in the

725
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: passing line and have an interception. I think a lot

726
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: of that he uses because of the strength that he

727
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: has and guys like Leslie Frasier. I can't remember what

728
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: veteran talked about him, but they just raved about how

729
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: he is one of the most athletic players on this

730
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: roster and now finally maybe that defense is clicking to

731
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: him where he can put those two things together and,

732
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Speaker 1: like you said, really compete for a spot where where

733
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: we see him frequently in games, not just on special teams. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it was Micah Hive that actually said that,

735
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, he's one of the most athletic. He called

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00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: him an athletic freak. He's one of the most athletic

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00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: freaks on the roster, which is saying something when you

738
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: have people like Josh Allen running around and Stefon Diggs

739
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: and people like that, and Dion Dawkins for that matter,

740
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: who can do backflips at three and twenty five pounds.

741
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: So we're not short on athletes here, So to say

742
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: that about Seraneil is certainly saying something. We have to

743
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Speaker 1: take a break here, but when we come back, we

744
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: will get to your thoughts on the tweet sheet in

745
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: terms of who you're looking at in Friday night's preseason

746
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: opener on offense and on defense and why. We'll have

747
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Speaker 1: those comments from you next here on One Bill's Live

748
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Speaker 1: Stay too. Getting back to that International Pathway Program memo

749
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Speaker 1: that the league sent to his thirty two clubs basically

750
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: allowing for greater freedoms to elevate an international player from

751
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: the practice squad up to the active roster, something that

752
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: was previously not allowed. There are some stipulations. You have

753
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: to have the player relinquish their international players status, sign

754
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: a practice player contract, then they have to be on

755
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: the practice squad for at least three games before you

756
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: can elevate them from there. So it looks like there's

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00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: some red tape they would have to go through, along

758
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: with a three week wait before they could be elevated,

759
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: but the option is there. So if someone like Christian

760
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: Wade is again on the practice squad here in Buffalo,

761
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: he's not locked there permanently. If the Bills, let's just

762
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: say god for a bit of a rash of injuries

763
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: at running back and he's the last man standing on

764
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: the practice squad and they want to elevate him. But

765
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: even then they wouldn't be able to do it immediately

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00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: in the wake of an injury situation. He would have

767
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: to be on the practice squad for three more weeks

768
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: and then would be eligible to be elevated to the

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00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: active roster and sign an active player contract. So it

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00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: seems like there are still hurdles in the way, but

771
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: at least the door is open for that to happen

772
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: should something like that come to pass. Of course, Maddie,

773
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: Christian Waite has to get on the practice squad first. Yeah.

774
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: I would have thought, you know, a rule like this

775
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: comes out or now these players can get activated. I

776
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: would think, Okay, this is for the player to be

777
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: able to have a chance and to be able to

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00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: put together what he's been working on in practices in

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00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: a game. Wasn't thinking that there would be not that

780
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: there's a lot of hurdles, but three weeks is quite

781
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: a bit of time to be able to have your shot.

782
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: And I think about it from a player perspective, from

783
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: these guys who are trying to get a shot, and

784
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: just the opportunity of playing in a game versus flashing

785
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: in practice could give these players to actually have a

786
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: future in a career in the NFL. We look at

787
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: the International Player Pathway program and it's not something that's

788
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: been around for a long time, but there are very

789
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: few players who have actually made their way out of

790
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: it and onto rosters. Fa Obada is one of those players.

791
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: I can think of another one on the Patriots, Yako Johnson,

792
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: who is a tight end for them. I think he's

793
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: still on the roster, but he's someone who played in

794
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: a couple of games for the Patriots last season. But

795
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: it's not the easiest coming from a different country trying,

796
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: like you said, for fa Christians, several other players trying

797
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: to learn this game and get that opportunity that they're

798
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: hoping for to have a career of at least hopefully

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00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: a couple of years in the NFL. Yeah, so it's

800
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: nice that there it looks like they're trying to do

801
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: more to foster opportunities to get on active rosters for

802
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 1: these international pathway players. We'll see if it pans out

803
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: for any one of them. I believe there's fourteen right

804
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: now in the league on NFL rosters. I think Obada

805
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: still falls into that category. Even though he has played

806
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: regular season games each of the last three seasons for

807
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers. I think he still qualifies as that.

808
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: And look for if Obada plays, I'm assuming you will

809
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: on Friday night, look for the Union Jack flag on

810
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: the back of his helmet, because all these international players

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00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: are going to be wearing the flags of their home

812
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: countries a little decal on the back of their helmets,

813
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: So keep an eye out for that. Want to get

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Speaker 1: to the tweet sheet before we have to break here,

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Speaker 1: which is brought to you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the

816
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: official equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills. Which player

817
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: on offense and defense are you keeping your eye on?

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00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: During Friday Night's pre season opener, Seth leads us off

819
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: by saying, Kumaro and Hodgens on offense, gott to flesh

820
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: out the final wide receiver spots. Stevenson two for that matter,

821
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: Zimmer and Phillips on d interior D line will have

822
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: some tough cuts either one of those guys over Vernon

823
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: Butler in my opinion, and Vernon Butler's an other player, Maddy,

824
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: we're not expecting to play after he suffered a concussion

825
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: earlier this week in practice. Yeah, Kumar and Hodgens, those

826
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: are two good options. I feel like those will be

827
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: two favorite names, at least for the offense when you're

828
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: talking about the wide receivers. But Marquez Stevenson is someone

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00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: who will be interesting to watch. I didn't mention him

830
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 1: and you didn't either, but he's had some nice catches

831
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: throughout camp. If I opened my notebook where I take

832
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: notes of every single play that happens, just in case

833
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 1: I forgot what happened or forget you know what guys

834
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: have been getting reps in practice. He's someone who I've

835
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: written down, not all the time, but has had a

836
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: fair share of reps in there. Yeah, and that's saying something.

837
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: Knowing how deep the receiving corps is, a guy like

838
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: Stevenson isn't going to get a ton of work even

839
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 1: in the practice setting. So the fact that he's making

840
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: the most of the reps that he is getting is

841
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: something to note Zimmer and Phillips on the interior d line. Yeah,

842
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: that's that's going to be tough because Star is back,

843
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: so you know he's got a spot. You know, Vernon

844
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: Butler was here last year, and you got Harrison Phillips,

845
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: Justin Zimmer who impressed last season. And then you know

846
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: who is offering position flexibility to line up in there.

847
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: Like fa Obada for example, I think as a player,

848
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, he played both defensive tackling defensive end in Carolina,

849
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: so they see him as a player with position flexibility.

850
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: I think Boogie Basham is another guy with position flexibility.

851
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: We saw Greg Russo kicked down inside on passing downs

852
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: at Miami in his one year as a starter. So

853
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: how much does the position lexibility of maybe some ends

854
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 1: that we expect to be on the final roster impact

855
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: who is and is not kept at defensive tackle on

856
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: this roster. That's going to be a very interesting jigsaw

857
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: puzzle for these coaches to put together. Yeah, I agree,

858
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: looking at the interior of this defensive line, it's gonna

859
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: be tough to make. There's some talented players who, you know,

860
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: our roster locks, and then you have some rotational guys.

861
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: I mean, Harrison Phillips came back last year, but it's

862
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: not like he had the best season on the inside

863
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: for the defensive line the season before. He was out

864
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: all season with that ACL tear rehabbing back, and so

865
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: Justin Zimmer got a lot more time in the interior

866
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: of that defensive line last year. Leslie Frasier, other defensive

867
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: line and other defensive players really like the type of

868
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: guy he is, really like the work ethic and mindset

869
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: that he brings to this defensive line. He spoke to

870
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: the media not too long ago and said, I do

871
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: not want to be remembered for just one play in

872
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: my NFL career, talking about that forced fumble against Cam

873
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,479
Speaker 1: Newton when we played the Patriots last year, the first

874
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: time we played the Patriots last season and beat them,

875
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 1: the game saving play of that game as the Patriots

876
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: were driving down the field with a chance to score

877
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: with less than a minute on the clock. So I'm

878
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing how this all shakes out and

879
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: how many true defensive tackles they keep on the roster,

880
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: knowing that they want to be versatile in rotating guys

881
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: from the outside to the inside. Yeah, a good dilemma

882
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: to have, but a dilemma nonetheless, Mattie and I have

883
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: to take a break here, but when we come back.

884
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: CBS Sports NFL contract analyst and former NFL agent Joel

885
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: Corey joining us to elaborate on the Josh Allen extension,

886
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: what it means for him long term and what his

887
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: contract means for the Bills cap flexibility long term. We'll

888
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: get into all of that when we return here on

889
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health Buffalo Bill's Radio

890
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: at a Steve Tasker who has been over the field

891
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: kind of unique. He was kind of a dual role

892
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: player for you. St Steve a blimp. We're not even

893
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: in the strated here of normalcy. Here we go Alan

894
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: number two, Chris Brown, Maddy glab with you on a

895
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: Thursday and joining us now in the second hour the show.

896
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,959
Speaker 1: NFL contract and salary cap expert for CBS Sports also

897
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: hosted the Inside the Cap podcast, been on this show

898
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: several times before. It has one Joel Corey joining us,

899
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: who just did some elaborate work on lining up the

900
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: job H Allen contract to the Patrick Mahomes contract. In

901
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: a recent write up on cbsports dot com. You want

902
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: to check that out, Joel, How are you doing? Oh,

903
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm doing fine. How are you guys doing? We're doing

904
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: all right. So a lot of people have labeled the

905
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: Josh Allen contract extension a mini Mahomes deal or an

906
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: abbreviated Mahomes deal. How accurate would you call? That description?

907
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: Not accurate at all? If you look at how the

908
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: deals are structured, Josh Allen's deal is superior. Mahomes's deal

909
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: is incredibly backloaded. Allen's deal is structured in a more

910
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: conventional manner. He did borrow a couple of elements from

911
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: the Mahomes deal in terms of having money in later

912
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: years guarantee a year before it comes up. But other

913
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: than that, there aren't a lot of similarities. I thought

914
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: he might opt for the more conventional route and give

915
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: up four new years, like you saw Deshaun Watson, Jared Goff,

916
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: and Carson Wentz doing a similar situation. That's been the

917
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: recent trend. A four year deal like Dat Prescott, or

918
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: give up four new years like Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson.

919
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: But Alan went a little bit longer than that when

920
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: you started to look into this contract and kind of

921
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: tear it apart. What was the most surprising thing about

922
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: the six year extension the mechanisms which guarantee money a

923
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: year earlier that I wasn't expecting out of the six

924
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: year deal. I thought it would be more of a

925
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: straight conventional six year deal instead of having like money

926
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty seven become fully guaranteed in March of

927
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Because that's what makes it hard to

928
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: get out of that deal, because since you have to

929
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: buy him out of the twenty twenty seven year, we're

930
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 1: talking like thirty nine million to do that. So he's

931
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 1: got a very secure deal, and it's not like mahomes

932
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: is where halfway through the deal Mahome has only made

933
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: forty four percent of his money, whereas Josh Allen halfway

934
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: through his extension he's basically fifty four percent. So it's

935
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: totally different. How it's structured is more player friendly, whereas

936
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: Mahomes's is extremely team friendly. So really, just to clarify this, Joel,

937
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: the aim of the early guarantees like in twenty twenty three,

938
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: for the roster bonus in twenty twenty four and twenty

939
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: twenty five. Those are protections for Allen more than the team. Correct. Oh, yeah,

940
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: that's the whole point. You're doing the deal because you

941
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: don't want to be exposed early on. And with the

942
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: forty two point four million dollars option bonus, which is

943
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: essentially a second signing bonus as an option bonus in

944
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, forty two point four million, that's the

945
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: biggest option bonus in an NFL contract in the history

946
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: of the league that gets pro rated. So it also

947
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: acts as a protection that if you wanted to get

948
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: rid of Josh Allen early, you're gonna have massive dead

949
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: money on the cap because you have the signing bonus

950
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: per ration and the option bonus peration. But now you've

951
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: added in that you have guarantees vesting early in those

952
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: early years in the contract, and if you cut somebody

953
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: guarantees from future years accelerating into the current year, you're

954
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: not getting out of this deal any part anytime soon.

955
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: Let's say everything goes wrong and Josh Allen turns into

956
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: the Second Coming with Carson Wentz. I'm not saying that's

957
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but hypothetically you're stuck. Yeah, Okay, with this

958
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: deal and other deals that you're seeing right now, how

959
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: do you see it playing into the TV money that

960
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: we're going to see affect the cap a few years

961
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: down the road from now. That's why I thought he

962
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: might go the four year route, because you're expecting the

963
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: salary cap to explode and no later than twenty twenty four,

964
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: and how to go for base is after that. That's

965
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: why Dak Prescott couldn't get a deal done last year

966
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: with Dallas under the first franchise tag, they do longer deals.

967
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: He wanted to do a four year deal so he

968
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: could get as mini bites to the Apple as possible

969
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: By doing the sixth Josh Allen isn't setting himself up

970
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: in a position to maximize career earnings. But at the

971
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: same time, he didn't sign that lifetime contract and Mahomes did.

972
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: He'll get another, he'll get another big deal, but I

973
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: don't know if he can get two out of it, right,

974
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: And I know that, you know, Josh, obviously his people

975
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: got protections in the contract for him, you know, with

976
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: some of the stuff we already discussed, the early guarantees

977
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: on roster bonus as a year in advance, but you know,

978
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: you look at something like just the twenty twenty two

979
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: cap hit alone, it was twenty three and a half

980
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: million under the previously exercised fifty year option. Now it's

981
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: down to sixteen point three. I mean, so that's seven

982
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: point two million more that the Bills now have to

983
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: utilize to continue to supplement the roster with talent around Josh. So,

984
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean there are steps that the Bills took here

985
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: to remain cap flexible at least for the first couple

986
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: of the years of this deal. Right. Yeah, that's a

987
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,479
Speaker 1: big selling point for the Bills that they have better

988
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: cost certainty by doing the long term deal, because you're right,

989
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: they do pick up significant cap room compared to where

990
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: they would have been, and they also have a little

991
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: bit of a cap break in twenty twenty three. Relative

992
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: to where I'm projecting what an exclusive franchise tag would

993
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: be in that year, cap number seems high. It's thirty

994
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: seven set thirty nine seven. But the way things stand

995
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: right now, that twenty twenty three exclusive number will protect

996
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: the forty three million. Obviously that's subject to change. The

997
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: lot can happen between now and then, but they are

998
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: better off from a cap standpoint that way as well,

999
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: and if you were going to go year to year

1000
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 1: on a franchise tag, it's much better. In twenty twenty

1001
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: four plus, they have Josh Allen for two more years

1002
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: and thought they would it's a six year extension as

1003
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: opposed to four. Hell, then Josh Allen has signed that

1004
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: six year contract extension. You start to look to the

1005
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks in the twenty eighteen draft class. What do

1006
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: you think in contract looks like for Lamar Jackson and

1007
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield? And who do you think is gonna be

1008
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: next out of that group? Oh, if I'm Cleveland, I'm

1009
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: not touching Baker Mayfield right now. He hasn't done enough

1010
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: to show me that he's gonna be He should be

1011
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: paid in this area. He played well second after the

1012
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: year once Odell Beckham was hurt. I need to see

1013
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: how he plays whip Beckham, and if the last half

1014
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: of the year in the playoffs weren't anomaly or that's

1015
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: the real thing, I would go into it fully recognizing

1016
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: that he if he is who I think he is,

1017
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay more than I would have to pay now,

1018
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: but having peace of mind that I'm paying the right

1019
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: guy would be worth it to me, And I always

1020
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: thought the smart play for Lamar Jackson was wait until

1021
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: Josh Allen gets done and then kind of used that

1022
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: as a blueprint. The wrinkle to me from his standpoint

1023
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 1: is I would be like, why'd you do a six?

1024
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: And then if I'm the Ravens, I'm looking at this

1025
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: like buffalo, why'd you give him these protections to where

1026
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: you can't get out of it in the later years

1027
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: about some economic pain. So I'm curious see how this

1028
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: whole Josh Allen deal affects that the Jackson negotiation. But

1029
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: he should be the next one to get done. Yeah,

1030
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: And it's a different negotiation as I see a Joel,

1031
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: because there are different risks involved with Lamar Jackson just

1032
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: because of the style of player that he is and

1033
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: all the running that he does. I can't see the

1034
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: Ravens putting in the same kinds of protections for Lamar

1035
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: that the Bills did here with Josh last one on

1036
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: Josh's contract though, Joel, how likely do you believe it

1037
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: is that the contract is ripped up and they start

1038
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: over in twenty twenty five? What do you think the

1039
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: trajectory of quarterback contracts will be and might it necessitate

1040
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: them revisiting this contract before they reach the end of it.

1041
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: The teams typically don't redo deals until you have two

1042
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: years remaining on a contract. They're not going to rip

1043
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: that thing. I'm twenty twenty five. Even if you have

1044
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,959
Speaker 1: a fifty million dollar for year quarterback, they're probably gonna

1045
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: make him at the earliest they would revisit it in

1046
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, and most likely going to the contract

1047
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: you're in twenty twenty eight. They're not going to just

1048
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: go ahead and give him a new deal that early

1049
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: into it. That's not happening. Gotcha, So really quick here

1050
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: we as Mannie and I know that Josh Allen contract

1051
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: extension is out of the way. Now people are already

1052
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: thinking about Tremaine Edmunds, who had his fifth year option

1053
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: picked up. There is time to work on that. But

1054
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: while the time has been passing, the linebacker market got

1055
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: completely reset by Darius Leonard and Fred Warner. So maybe

1056
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: if you could you give us your best guests as

1057
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: to what the Bills might be thinking with Tremaine Edmunds.

1058
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: Maybe they want to see him play this year, see

1059
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: how he what kind of a step he takes. He's

1060
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: still only twenty three years old, but he's made two

1061
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl So maybe just lay out what you anticipate

1062
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: a timeline might look like for Tremaine Edmonds and a

1063
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: contract extension. So I would suspect that they're not too

1064
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: happy with um Chris Ballard, Mike Bloom in Indianapolis because

1065
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: the Darius Leonard deal, and not too happy with Prog

1066
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: Maratha and Brian Hampton in San Francisco because of the

1067
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: Fred Warner deal. If I have to pay Edmond's that

1068
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: type of money, I'm waiting. I want to make sure that.

1069
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: To me, he's been to one Pro Bowl. I know

1070
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: it's too on paper, but one was original ballot. I don't.

1071
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Speaker 1: I don't count the replacement Pro Bowls. That's just me.

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00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: The agent will. He's been too, as far as the

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00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: agent's concerned, But Warner and Leonard have been all Pro selections.

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00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: That's not quite where we are yet. I might kind

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00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: of look and see, well, we'll see what Roquan Smith

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00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: gets in Chicago and then if that's truly where I

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00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: have to go, I have to go. If this year

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Speaker 1: is the same as last year, then you're probably going

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Speaker 1: to have a ceiling of Jamal Adams, I mean a

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01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: floor Jamal Adams, That'll be the floor because he's a safety.

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Speaker 1: Looks like that deal's gonna come in over seventeen million

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01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: per year, So we're going to be forced to go

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01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: higher than you anticipated you would because that's where things

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01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: are headed. And if I'm the player or that their camp,

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Speaker 1: once that Adams deal has done, there's no way I'm

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Speaker 1: signing a deal which is less than the safety. The

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Speaker 1: times of linebackers that now headlined the NFL, I mean

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01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: Darius Leonard, Fred Warner, I mean Tremaine Edmonds and possibly

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Speaker 1: what he can do for the Bills this season. What

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Speaker 1: do you think of the value of the modern day

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Speaker 1: linebacker in the NFL compared to year's past. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: changed because we have more of a pass happy league.

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Speaker 1: And if you have one of these linebackers, and I

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01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: think it really started with Luke Keekley and Bobby Wagner's

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01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: that are three down players that can up the run,

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01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: also matchup on the passing game, very complete linebackers, then

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pay these guys more than you're anticipating.

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Speaker 1: That being said, the pass rushing linebackers still get paid more.

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Speaker 1: That's always going to be the case, and that creates

1100
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Speaker 1: an interesting dynamic here. Let's say you play out the

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Speaker 1: fifth yeer option. You can't put a franchise tag on

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Speaker 1: him because that number is composed of where you can

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Speaker 1: but you won't because it's composed of edge rushers who happened,

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Speaker 1: who are three four line linebackers are really four three

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Speaker 1: defensive events, and that number is going to be much

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01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: higher than where you want to be market wise by

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Speaker 1: the time you have franchise them. So you have to

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Speaker 1: get it done next year or run the risk of

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Speaker 1: losing him. Talking with CBS Sports, NFL contract and salary

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Speaker 1: cap expert Joel Corey, I wanted to ask you, Joel

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Speaker 1: about We saw the Dolphins, you know, come together on

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Speaker 1: an agreement with Xavier Howard to kind of smooth things

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01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: over with his dissatisfaction with his current deal, feeling he's

1114
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: outplayed his contract after a ten interception season last year.

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Speaker 1: Does that have any impact whatsoever on the Patriots, who

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01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: are very staunch in their stance on when they do

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01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: contracts over or not at all. With respect to Stefan Gilmore, well,

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01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: they already adjusted his contract last year and did something

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01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: because he was underpaid. So if you were going to

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Speaker 1: take money out of twenty twenty one in advance at

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01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty, you should have known he wasn't going

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Speaker 1: to be happy playing out the final year of his

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Speaker 1: contract because he's gonna look at it is I'm playing

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Speaker 1: for significant last than I did last year, even though

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Speaker 1: he borrowed money from himself. They have a precedent where

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Speaker 1: they have done what was done with the Zamian Howard

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Speaker 1: in terms of adding incentives. They did it with Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady once, they did it with Rob Gronkowski twice. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't want to pay Gilmore on a go forward basis

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01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: on a long term deal because I don't trajectory of

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01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: cornerbacks once they start getting past thirty thirty one, then

1132
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: heading into their mid thirties, it's hard to find an

1133
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: all pro cornerback at that age. It's really Champ Bailey

1134
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: and Charles Woodson. Other than that they don't exist. But yeah,

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01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: it gives ammunition to Gilmore's camp to try to get

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01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: something done along those lines in terms of adding the

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01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: incentives into the contract. When players weren't happy with their

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01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: contracts or when they wanted to renegotiated when they wanted

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01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: a new deal. The tactic was we're going to hold

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Speaker 1: out and not go to training camp. We're not seeing

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01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: that as much anymore. Why is that not a tool

1142
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: in today's NFL Because for a player under veteran contract

1143
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: to find is fifty thousand dollars per day and it

1144
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: can't be forgiven. And if you signed your contract as

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01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: an unrestricted free agent like Gilmore, then there's an additional

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01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: fine of one game check for each miss preseason game.

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01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: You can't forgive fines for guys on rookie contracts forty

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01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: thousand dollars per day and those funds are forgivable. But

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01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: for those guys, that's more important to come to training

1150
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: camp on time because you don't get in a crude season.

1151
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: And if you don't have four crude seasons when your

1152
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: contract expires, you won't be unrestricted. For someone who has

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01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: more than four crude seasons, getting another one does not matter.

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01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: But the excessive fines is why you don't see it.

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01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: Let's say you missed all the training camp. You're talking

1156
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: like a two million dollars fine. If you're gunderor veteran contract,

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01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: it can't be forgiven, these guys make a lot of money,

1158
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: but even Aaron Rodgers didn't want to take on that

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01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: type of risk. So what do we make of hold ins?

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Speaker 1: I mean, for lack of a better term, whether it's

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Speaker 1: Dwayne Brown or Jamal Adams or t J. Watt or

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01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: even guys that want to get moved like Watson and

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01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: now James Washington and Pittsburgh. I mean they've lost some

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01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: leverage there, have they? Not us? Why you have now

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01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: the hold in which really started with Jalen Ramsey a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago. His was more, well, I have

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01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: a back issue, so I'm not gonna play, and he

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01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: forced the trade. Watt is basically like, I'm not practicing

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01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: until we get our deal. Until I get a deal done.

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Speaker 1: With Dwayne Brown, he has a history one he held

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01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: out into the regular season, got traded from Houston to Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Now he's doing the hold ind The only thing with

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01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: him is he's an older left tackle. He's thirty six.

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Speaker 1: I'd be a little hesitant on a go for basis,

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01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: but he can point to Andrew Whitworth, who was older,

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01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: who's played well for the Rams ever since they signed him.

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Speaker 1: So I think this is a new tactic. You don't

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01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: want to four go fifty thousand dollars a day potentially

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01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: with the hold out you have to hold in. Watson

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01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: is a little bit different because that seems like they

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01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: have put him in limbo as well, the Texans. He

1182
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be there. The whole situation with his

1183
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 1: sexual sat allegations makes it hard to trade because how

1184
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: do you feel out adequate compensation, not knowing if then

1185
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: when he's going to be punished by the NFL to

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01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: put on the example list. I thought it'd be easier

1187
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: just to put him on the example at see wen't

1188
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: have to deal with the potential head. But that hasn't

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01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: been done. All right, listen, Joel, we appreciate the time.

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01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: Thanks for breaking it all down for us. Your expertise

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01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: is appreciated. We'll catch up with you down the line.

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01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: Who knows when, maybe when Edmonds is done, but certainly

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01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: sooner than that, because I think it's gonna be a

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01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: while that we're waiting on Tremaine and a new deal

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01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,439
Speaker 1: for him. Thanks very much, all right, thank you, thanks

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01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: for having me. All right, that's Joel Corey, CBS Sports,

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Speaker 1: NFL Contract and Salary Cap expert boy man, you ask

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01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: him a question, he's got like a multi layered answer, Mandy, Like,

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Speaker 1: I was curious about, you know, the whole holding thing,

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01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: and he's just basically spelled it out. Nobody wants to

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01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: pay fifty thousand dollars a day for not being a

1202
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: training cap and it's just gotta be so weird though,

1203
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: doesn't it many Like you're TJ Watt and you're like, well, yeah,

1204
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm here, but it's basically the whole Marshawn Lynch thing.

1205
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm here just so I don't get fine because he's

1206
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: not gonna suit up in a steel like he's not

1207
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: playing tonight for the Steelers again the Eagles, And I

1208
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: don't blame them, like you want a new contract. I'm

1209
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: not going to risk my body in a preseason game

1210
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: of all things. Until I get it. It's hard to

1211
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: blame these guys. Yeah, it's pretty different now holding in

1212
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: rather than holding out. And if you do decide to

1213
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: hold out, I mean the money that that Joel outline

1214
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: that you could miss out on by not coming and

1215
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 1: reporting to training camp. But yeah, something that I'm happy

1216
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm not a part of. I could not imagine paying

1217
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars a day to not show up somewhere. Yeah.

1218
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: At the same time, I don't think there's any issues

1219
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: with your teammates. They understand that. You know, you're you're

1220
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: trying to make a living. You're trying to make the

1221
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: most money you can in the abbreviated you know, contract

1222
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: or career spans that we see in the NFL. I mean,

1223
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: the average is still three years in this league, So

1224
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: you got to make as much money as possible and

1225
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: as little time as possible. So I don't think the

1226
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: players are necessarily holding it against him. The thing where

1227
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: it gets really weird for me, like I couldn't even

1228
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: imagine being in a situation like this, But like you know,

1229
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, he wants to be traded and yet there

1230
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: he is every day. James Washington, the Steelers wide receiver, said,

1231
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: I want to be traded because I'm not getting enough

1232
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 1: playing time here. You got to go to work every

1233
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: day and face these guys and basically tell him me,

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01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: I don't want to be on the team anymore. Like

1235
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: nikkil Harry said he wanted to be traded up in

1236
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: New England and now like it's unclear, is everything okay?

1237
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: Now Nikkil, like what are we doing? Like are you

1238
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: ending out? Like because he's practicing up there, which is

1239
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: a little different than the T. J. Watt situation, but

1240
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 1: still in all I mean, that's just yeah, that wouldn't

1241
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: I wouldn't feel comfortable. Oh gosh, I'd just be so

1242
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: uncomfortable every day going to work. That'd be weird. I

1243
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,719
Speaker 1: feel like being with the teammates though, that may help

1244
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: a little bit better with some guys because you think

1245
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: about being isolated on your own, and you know the

1246
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 1: stories that you can come up with in your head

1247
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: being so frustrated than wanting a new deal, if it's

1248
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: better or worse to at least be coming every day

1249
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: and be around guys that you enjoy spending time with. Hopefully, Yeah,

1250
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: I get that. I just think once you make that

1251
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: statement like I want to be traded, I think everybody

1252
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: looks at you a little bit differently because it's just like,

1253
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: what's wrong with being here? What's your problem? What's you know?

1254
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,759
Speaker 1: What I mean? Like that kind of deal, Oh, Deshaun,

1255
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 1: it's a little bit different. There's some history there with

1256
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 1: the front office, but the James Washington thing and even

1257
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: the Kiel Harry thing in New England. It's just it

1258
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: just I think people would kind of look at him

1259
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 1: like really, like what's the deal here? Like unless he

1260
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: was the greatest thing since slice bread and Nikil Harry

1261
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 1: has not been that, and neither is James Washington. We

1262
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up this interesting story that showed up

1263
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,759
Speaker 1: on The Athletic. It was a long form feature piece

1264
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: by Robert Mays, who's been on this show before, on

1265
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,560
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick. It's called nine Teams, hundreds of teammates and

1266
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: a life time of Stories. Ryan Fitzpatrick is a next

1267
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: level leader and it doesn't delve in too deep to

1268
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: his time here in Buffalo as the Bills quarterback, but

1269
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: it does chronicle most of his career and some of

1270
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: the interesting takeaways that I took from it, Maddie is

1271
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: his description of his memories with the Bills, which he said,

1272
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: we were the island of misfit toys. Most of us

1273
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: had no business being on an NFL roster, but we

1274
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 1: made it work. And I remember Stevie Johnson used to

1275
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 1: call them the goon squad, like we're just a bunch

1276
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: of goons here playing in the NFL. Because it was

1277
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: him at wide receiver, a seventh round pick, Fred Jackson

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Speaker 1: who was playing in the Continental Indoor Football League then

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Speaker 1: NFL Europe before he came to the Bills as a

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Speaker 1: practice squad player. Ryan Fitzpatrick who was a seventh round

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01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: pick and was already on his third team and came

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01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: here as a backup. And then you had a myriad

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01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: of guys David Elson, an undrafted guy out of Florida

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01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 1: who ended up being a wide receiver, Donald Jones, an

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01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 1: undrafted guy at a Youngstown State who was a wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: I mean, up and down this roster, they're like, yeah,

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01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: nobody believes in us, but we all believe in each other.

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01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: Let's go. And they were a fun team to watch.

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01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: I mean it didn't win a ton of games, but

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01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 1: they were entertaining. I'll give him that. So I love

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Speaker 1: that that he references the Rootolph the Red Nose Reindeer

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01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 1: Claymation special calling them the Island of Misfit Toys, which

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01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: was a scene in that long, long running Christmas special.

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01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: I don't did you ever watch Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer?

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01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 1: Did you ever watch that thing? You know what I'm

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01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 1: talking about? The caboose with the square wheels and the

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01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: water pistol that shoots jelly and all that the island

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01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 1: of misfit toys. So anyway, I thought that was funny

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Speaker 1: that he said that. Um, but this quote from Brandon Marshall,

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Speaker 1: who was his teammate with the Jets, I think says

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01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: it all about why Fits is so beloved by his teammates.

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01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: He says, quote, Fitz does a great job of meeting

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01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: people where they're at. We know his pedigree, Harvard grad

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01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: super smart. So the dude can sit at the table

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01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: with owners and executives in a boardroom and go head

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01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 1: to head with them. And then he also can come

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01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: down to the locker room and connect with the guy

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01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: from the inner city, from urban America to the guys

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01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: from the country. He's relatable, he understands everyone's perspective. That's

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01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: really the thing that makes him special. That's he's just

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01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: such a affable guy, Maddie, it's impossible not to like him.

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Speaker 1: And when you read further into the story, I mean,

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01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: this is a really long story. So if you guys

1314
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: are on your lunch break, I mean, keep listening to us,

1315
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: but also read through the story. It is written so

1316
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: well in the way outlines Fitzpatrick as a person and

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01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 1: as a player. I think they did a great job

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01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: with that. But it gets into his time at Miami too,

1319
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: and and you talk about the type of player he is.

1320
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: He is so mature to be able to be in

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01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: the situation that he was in at Miami, going from

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01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: the guy who is starting in games to being told,

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01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: you know what, We're going to switch you out for

1324
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: our rookie quarterback who needs to get to get some time.

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01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 1: After the Dolphins had won two games and put up

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01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 1: some good points, go into the bye week and here

1327
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: comes to a fitz Patrick could have been pissed like

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01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: anybody would have been, but he chose to instead be

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01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: a good teammate and cheer tah On and be in

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01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 1: his corner every step of the way. I mean, this

1331
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 1: is a player who I wish I was at the

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01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: Bills when he was here because the amount of people

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01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: that I have heard talk about him and the raving

1334
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: reviews that everyone gives a player like him. He is

1335
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: someone that I would like to spend fifteen to twenty

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01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 1: minutes with just to see the type of guy he is,

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Speaker 1: because no one has anything bad to say about him. Yeah,

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01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: he was great dude, total tech nerd. He was way

1339
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: into all like the latest technology back then. You know,

1340
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: Apple was putting out everything under the sun. And he's like,

1341
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:14,560
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I got that. Oh yeah, I got that,

1342
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: like the thing was out a day. I mean, the

1343
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:20,679
Speaker 1: guy probably lived at that store. But yeah. I found

1344
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: his description of when he was told they were going

1345
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 1: with TUA. After they had just won two in a row,

1346
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,799
Speaker 1: went to four and three on the season, Brian Flores

1347
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 1: called him into his office and Fitz said, quote, I

1348
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: have a ton of respect for Flores and we have

1349
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 1: a very good relationship. But I thought it was a

1350
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,879
Speaker 1: joke at first. We're putting Tuah in. I was floored.

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Speaker 1: End quote. Even Chan Gailey, who was the OC at

1352
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:48,719
Speaker 1: the time, said, I was in total shock. We didn't

1353
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: even have a preseason. It was a totally new offense

1354
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: for Tuah. We were just starting to hit our stride.

1355
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: We'd won two in a row, scored a bunch of points,

1356
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: moved the ball. Well. It came as a shock to me,

1357
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: and Fitz was annoyed because he thought he said that

1358
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 1: was my team. We fought through all the garbage, the

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01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: pandemic stuff with those guys. I get the way the

1360
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 1: NFL works, but to have it happen the way it did.

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01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: And then he just kind of trailed off from there.

1362
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 1: But the last thing before we go to break, if

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Speaker 1: you are a young quarterback in this league or even

1364
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:24,560
Speaker 1: in college, you should read this quote because this is

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01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: what helps make Fits such a great leader. He said,

1366
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: quote being on a new team every year. It's not

1367
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 1: the system in learning it. That stuff's going to take

1368
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,719
Speaker 1: care of itself. Meeting the guys and having this human

1369
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: connection with these guys is such an important aspect of

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01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: playing QB and being part of a team. A lot

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01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: of that is time. You have to put the time in.

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01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: You have to have conversations, you have to ask questions.

1373
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 1: There are no shortcuts to building relationships. And he used

1374
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: to do that here in Buffalo. He used to take

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01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 1: his linemen out to Launch every Friday and sit with

1376
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: those guys every week. And don't you hear Eric would Maddie.

1377
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: I mean, that guy lights up whenever he's talking about Fits.

1378
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: He loves that guy, and you know understandably, so, I mean,

1379
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: he's a great leader. But he could just relate to everybody,

1380
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: and it was partly because he put the time in

1381
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 1: to building relationships, so a good write up on fits.

1382
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: So if you still have a soft spot for Ryan

1383
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick here in Buffalo, I encourage you to read that

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01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: story on the Athletic by Robert Mays. Maddie and I

1385
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: have to take a break here, but when we come back,

1386
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: morerior comments on the tweet sheet and maybe a little

1387
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: what's for lunch could be coming your way here next

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01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 1: on One Bill's Live, presented by Colloid of Health, It's

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's Radio, All right, second half of the show

1390
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 1: under way here on a Thursday, Chris Brown, Maddie Glad

1391
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 1: with you in for a traveling Steve Tasker, who will

1392
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: be doing the television broadcast with Andrew Candellian, Andrew kennelon

1393
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: Excuse Me, and Cynthia Freeland on Friday night with our

1394
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 1: local television partner WIVB TV. There is some stuff going

1395
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 1: on around the league that we wanted to bring to

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01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: your attention before we get back to the focus of

1397
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: the show. Elijah Moore, the slot receiver for the Jets,

1398
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: who by all accounts, has had a monster training camp

1399
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: as a rookie. The kid had old Miss who was

1400
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: one of their second round Picks is going for an

1401
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 1: MRI for a quad injury, so that has Jets fans

1402
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: holding their breath a little bit, so hopefully for his sake,

1403
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 1: nothing too serious. There there was one other note. Oh yeah,

1404
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: the first round pick for the Vikings, Christian darry saw

1405
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle out of Virginia Tech not responding well

1406
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: coming off of core muscle surgery. It continues to be

1407
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: an issue, according to head coach Mike Zimmer, saying the

1408
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 1: injury has been described as one that is nagging him

1409
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: all the time. That is not a good sign. They

1410
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: resigned veteran offensive lineman Rashad Hill's insurance, hoping that he

1411
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 1: could just be a backup. Looks like he may have

1412
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 1: to start in Week one, So tough times there in

1413
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 1: Viking Land as well. And then there was one other note,

1414
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: this coming from Taylor Bishatti from NFL Network. Chargers head

1415
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: coach Brandon Staley has just revealed that Justin Herbert will

1416
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: not play at all in the preseason. So add another quarterback,

1417
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: Mattie to the list. We know Aaron Rodgers is probably

1418
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: not going to see a snap in preseason. We know

1419
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: that Sean McVay has already ruled out Matthew Stafford for

1420
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: the entirety of the preseason. We know Josh isn't playing tomorrow.

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01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: I think he will play though, some before the preseason's over.

1422
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: And now, justin Herbert, how high? How many quarterbacks do

1423
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 1: you think we get to, Maddie total that don't even

1424
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: see the field in the preseason? Four or five? I

1425
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: don't know. It could it could be more than that.

1426
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of a couple other quarterbacks, so we may

1427
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: not see in the preseason. You think Tom Brady is

1428
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 1: gonna play at all? I just think, well, yeah, that's possible.

1429
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: That's possible. Um, there's a part of me that thinks

1430
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: the hyper competitive person that Brady is that he'll talk

1431
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 1: arians into letting him play a series or two, or

1432
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: like give me a two minute drill, you know, like

1433
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: one of those deals. I don't know if you'll win

1434
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:40,839
Speaker 1: that argument. Yeah, I would expect Josh to play somewhere

1435
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 1: in the course of the preseason. Here. I just think

1436
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 1: the way McDermott works and the process and a state

1437
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 1: of readiness that he always wants his team to have,

1438
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 1: I think he will take the field at some point,

1439
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: at the latest the third preseason game, which I felt

1440
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 1: I still think Steve and I were talking about this yesterday.

1441
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:02,719
Speaker 1: I still think that is going to be the dress

1442
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: rehearsal game for most NFL teams for their starters, even

1443
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 1: though you don't have a fourth game anymore, because that's

1444
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 1: still two weeks removed from the regular season opener. I

1445
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: don't think you want to have your dress rehearsal next

1446
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 1: week because that's three weeks between having your starters play

1447
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: and then the regular season. Oh. I think that's too

1448
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: long a stretch of time where coaches are gonna be like,

1449
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna be sharp if we

1450
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: don't do anything for three weeks that even resembles a game. Yeah,

1451
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: I feel like the coaches are the ones who are like,

1452
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 1: all right, I gotta have some control over the situation.

1453
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: I've seen my starters in practice, but I need to

1454
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 1: see them at least once in a preseason game before

1455
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 1: we kick off for Week one. So and I feel

1456
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 1: like Sean McDermott is like that. I mean, you touched

1457
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: on that a little bit, but I feel like he's

1458
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,759
Speaker 1: a type of coach who wants to see those starters

1459
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 1: in at least a couple snaps. It checks the box off,

1460
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: probably in his mind of Okay, yes, this is what

1461
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 1: we're seeing in training camp, and it's translating over to

1462
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: a game, and I can now feel good about week one. Yeah.

1463
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 1: Let's get back to the tweet sheet, though, where we

1464
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: are asking you which player on offense and defense are

1465
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 1: you keeping your eye on during Friday night's preseason game

1466
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 1: against the Lions, and why so? Matt says, I'm curious

1467
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 1: to see if Brita still has that breakaway speed he

1468
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 1: displayed in San Francisco and in college. And though I

1469
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 1: will be keeping my eye on Rousseau and Basham, I'm

1470
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 1: more intrigued to see how Obada looks, as he is

1471
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 1: obviously ahead of the rookies in development. I gotta tell you, Maddie,

1472
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,560
Speaker 1: I mean we're not are we really surprised? Rousseau and

1473
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: Bashaim are people that you know, fans are interested in. No,

1474
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 1: but Obada is like this intriguing guy that everyone wants

1475
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 1: to see. Yeah, Obada. I mean we've talked about the

1476
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 1: athleticism of several players on this team already in this show,

1477
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: but Obada is someone who displays that just in this build.

1478
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: I can't remember one of the defensive lineman was describing

1479
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 1: what this player looks like and what it's like to

1480
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 1: line up next to him. This is a freak type

1481
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: of athlete makeup, and if he can get the game down,

1482
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 1: he's starting off way later than several other of these

1483
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,639
Speaker 1: players on this roster, just in terms of his path

1484
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 1: to football. But I mean, if he can click with

1485
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 1: the defense and with understanding the game, this is an

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Speaker 1: elite type player. And I remember watching practice with you

1487
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: in task or a couple days ago and he was saying,

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01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 1: this roster is made up of elite type looking athletes,

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01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: and he named fa Obada in that list, among many

1490
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 1: other elite type looking athletes on this roster based on

1491
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: their size, based on their strength, based on what they

1492
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,719
Speaker 1: look like when they line up against other guys. Yeah,

1493
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean Obada has elite length too. I mean he's

1494
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:58,480
Speaker 1: got almost thirty six inch arms, which is an advantage

1495
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 1: when you're coming off the edge. If you can get

1496
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 1: your hands on the opposing offensive lineman before they get

1497
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: their hands on you, you have an advantage. And when

1498
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: you have thirty six inch arms, you're usually winning that contest. So,

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01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: and I think the other thing that maybe people overlook

1500
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 1: is the fact that this guy has almost thirty regular

1501
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: season games under his belt of NFL action. He's played

1502
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: in the league for three years now. You add in

1503
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 1: the fact that his position coach is someone he is

1504
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 1: completely familiar with since he had him as his defensive

1505
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: coordinator and I believe his line coach for one year

1506
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: in Carolina in Eric Washington. So he's familiar with the

1507
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: type of techniques that coach Washington preaches here because he

1508
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 1: had the same techniques in Carolina. So not only is

1509
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 1: he wholly familiar with what regular season football is like,

1510
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:54,680
Speaker 1: he is familiar coming in the door with what they

1511
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 1: preach here for their defensive lineman. I think all of

1512
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 1: that rolls together and serves Obada well, which is why

1513
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: I think he's got a really good look at a

1514
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster spot here despite the depth at

1515
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 1: the defensive end position. I don't know if you feel differently, Yeah, No,

1516
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 1: I feel the exact same way. The familiarity that he

1517
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 1: has with his defensive line coach and Eric Washington, I

1518
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 1: think is huge for someone who is just stepping into

1519
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: this game. Knows what's expected of him, knows how Eric

1520
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 1: Washington coaches. As a defensive line coach. I think this

1521
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: is going to only help him quite a bit when

1522
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 1: it comes to making the roster and then having a

1523
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 1: shot at having a role on this defensive line every game.

1524
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 1: Let's go back to the tweet sheet where Jack says,

1525
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm very interested to see if my boy, mister underrated

1526
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 1: Isaiah McKenzie can win the returner job on defense the

1527
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 1: rookie defensive ends and Obada that defensive line competition should

1528
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 1: be intense for roster positions. Let's talk a second here,

1529
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 1: Mattie about the return competition. We know the people that

1530
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,719
Speaker 1: are in the mix there. We also heard Heath Farwell

1531
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 1: last week basically say Isaiah McKenzie is in the driver's seat.

1532
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 1: This is before we even got to a preseason game,

1533
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 1: which I think is unusual. Usually you do not hear

1534
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:18,919
Speaker 1: a coach a coordinator be this declarative with a position

1535
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: battle before we've even reached the preseason. But that is

1536
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 1: where coach Farwell is with Isaiah McKenzie. And I've got

1537
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 1: to say it's also interesting like naming Isaiah McKenzie as

1538
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 1: the front runner, especially when they don't focus on punt

1539
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 1: return and kick return, and like several periods during practice.

1540
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: This is like one look a day that Heath Farwell

1541
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: is getting out this competition. It's not something like team

1542
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,719
Speaker 1: periods where we see four of them or three of them. However,

1543
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:55,560
Speaker 1: many a day during practice where you're seeing, Okay, this

1544
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 1: guy is doing a great job of beating the guy

1545
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: who's gone up against and catching a good ball or

1546
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 1: whatever it may be for that type of position. I

1547
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 1: think it's interesting, especially for this competition, to say that.

1548
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if you would agree with that too,

1549
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,719
Speaker 1: just based on the looks they get at this during

1550
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 1: practice and the time that's allowed every single day for

1551
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 1: something like this. Yeah, And I think this is an

1552
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 1: example of a coach going with what he knows. He

1553
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: knows Isaiah McKenzie. He has seen him up close and personal.

1554
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 1: He watched him return the punt that our MSG viewers

1555
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 1: were just watching for a touchdown last year against Miami.

1556
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:39,759
Speaker 1: So seeing that in the flesh and knowing what Isaiah

1557
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 1: McKenzie brings to the practice field every day, having been

1558
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 1: around him for the last three years, it carries weight.

1559
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 1: And you look at the other guys in the competition,

1560
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: Marquis Stevenson, Brandon Powell, I mean these are guys that

1561
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 1: are largely unproven at the NFL level, and in a

1562
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 1: year where you have a team that is clearly going

1563
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 1: for it the whole kitten caboodle, you want to be

1564
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 1: able to trust as many of the players that you're

1565
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 1: putting on the field as possible. And while Markus Stevenson

1566
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 1: may turn into a very accomplished return man in this league,

1567
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 1: and Brandon Powell may have something to offer on returns,

1568
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 1: unless they light the world on fire in the preseason,

1569
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be Isaiah McKenzie because that's the guy

1570
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 1: he trusts the most, and that's where it begins and

1571
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 1: ends for him. We have to take a break here,

1572
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: but when Maddie and I come back, more of your

1573
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 1: thoughts on the tweet sheet and we will get into

1574
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 1: some of this conversation with respect to the preseason game,

1575
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 1: specifically who might shine on Friday Night. There could be

1576
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 1: some candidates there we'll discuss when we return here on

1577
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live presented by Kalid to Health. It's Buffalo

1578
01:27:47,680 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: Bill's Radio, all right. Before we get back to the tweet,

1579
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 1: if we have to discuss this matting Urban Meyer giving

1580
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: an a one class in coach speak here is declaring

1581
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:17,440
Speaker 1: the quarterback competition open in Jacksonville heading into the preseason

1582
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 1: between Gardner Minshew and Trevor Lawrence. Now, look, I get

1583
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 1: that Gardner Minshew has time in the league. He's even

1584
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 1: had some successful outings with the Jaguars. Trevor Lawrence was

1585
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: the number one pick in the draft. He is clearly

1586
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback going forward. What are we doing here? Like,

1587
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 1: are we trying to do right by the players on

1588
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: the roster and say you gotta earn it? That's the

1589
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,560
Speaker 1: only thing I can come up with here, because do

1590
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 1: we really believe Trevor Lawrence is not starting for the

1591
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 1: Jaguars in Week one? I think he's stuck in still

1592
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 1: being a college football coach. I would love to be

1593
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 1: a fly on the wall in some of those meeting rooms,

1594
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 1: in some of those team meetings at practice, because there's

1595
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 1: probably a lot of college coach isms that come out

1596
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 1: of his mouth or that are is how practices ran.

1597
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 1: Just because of his history in college football. I would

1598
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 1: love to see what it's like. And he's not the

1599
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: only NFL coach that it's came from a college football background,

1600
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:34,600
Speaker 1: but he is sure fresh off of college football, and

1601
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 1: so I would just love to hear see what's going on.

1602
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 1: And I would also love to see some of these

1603
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: players reactions like come on, dude, where we're not in

1604
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 1: college football anymore. So I think it's one of those tactics.

1605
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would say it's you know,

1606
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: everybody has to earn their spot. Like you've said, this

1607
01:29:55,600 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 1: was the first pick in the NFL draft, going up

1608
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 1: against Gardner Minshew, who yes, has had his time in

1609
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 1: the NFL and has been a starter. But still, what

1610
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 1: are like you said, how is this adding? What are

1611
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 1: we doing? What I mean? He did say that both

1612
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: Minshew and Lawrence will see time with the first team

1613
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 1: offense this preseason. There's a part of me that thinks

1614
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 1: that might be more to protect Trevor Lawrence than anything else,

1615
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 1: and to give him too much time. With the way

1616
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 1: we're seeing these NFL head coaches protecting their starting quarterbacks,

1617
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, the latest being Justin Herbert. As Brandon Staley said,

1618
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is not taking the field in an NFL preseason.

1619
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 1: This is a second year player. I mean, I know

1620
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:49,600
Speaker 1: he's a first round pick last year, but and not

1621
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: for nothing, he threw thirty one touchdown passes and was

1622
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 1: the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year last year. So

1623
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 1: I get it. I mean, he's firmly stamped as their

1624
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 1: franchise guy going forward. So maybe in a roundabout way,

1625
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 1: Meyer is playing Minshoe so Lawrence plays less in the

1626
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: preseason and he doesn't risk injury. Or maybe he's just

1627
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:13,600
Speaker 1: trying to keep things as honest as possible. Maybe he

1628
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 1: forges a philosophy of everybody here has to earn what

1629
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,680
Speaker 1: they get, and by playing Minshoe along with Lawrence with

1630
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 1: the first team, you're kind of showing, oh well, you know,

1631
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 1: maybe the other guys in the roster saying, oh well,

1632
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 1: you know, even Trevor Lawrence has got to earn his spot.

1633
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 1: I guess I better do what I have to do

1634
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 1: to earn mine. Maybe he's hoping that's the message it

1635
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 1: sends to the locker room. That's the only thing I

1636
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 1: can come up with here. Can you come up with

1637
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 1: a more concrete or sensible answer. I mean, that's the

1638
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 1: best I can do with this. Yeah. And but even

1639
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 1: if that's what he's trying to get out of his guys,

1640
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 1: is I'm sending this message to locker room that everybody

1641
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 1: has to compete for their spot are the starters, and

1642
01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 1: the guys who know they're going to be the starters

1643
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 1: really gonna give it anymore Because he said it's an

1644
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 1: open competition for quarterback. I don't know. Yeah, the Jaguars

1645
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 1: are an interesting team to me. I think a lot

1646
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 1: of people just dismiss them, and I find them interesting.

1647
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 1: They're an intriguing team this year. I think the AFC

1648
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 1: South has kind of slid back a little bit in

1649
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 1: terms of competition level for a myriad of reasons. The Texans,

1650
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 1: for obvious reasons, Watson is not playing for them, and

1651
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of older players that they scooped

1652
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 1: up in free agency to try to be competitive. I

1653
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 1: don't know that that's happening. Then you have the Titans, who,

1654
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 1: while they've made some headline additions, I still think they

1655
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 1: have a lot of fixing to do on the defensive

1656
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,600
Speaker 1: side of the ball, particularly in the back seven. So

1657
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 1: I expect them to slide back a little bit from

1658
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 1: where they've been. And then the Colts, even though the

1659
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 1: prognoses are promising on Carson Wentz and Quentin Nelson, who

1660
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 1: both had foot surgery as late as this week. Wenz

1661
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 1: is still a question mark, you know, going into the season,

1662
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:15,600
Speaker 1: after the disastrous last two seasons that he's had. So

1663
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:18,640
Speaker 1: I think there are opportunities there for the Jaguars that

1664
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 1: maybe something. I'm not saying they're winning the division, but

1665
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:25,639
Speaker 1: I could see them winning six or seven games this year,

1666
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 1: maybe even eight games. I'm excited to see what Trevor

1667
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,720
Speaker 1: Lawrence can do in the NFL. I mean, this is

1668
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: a quarterback who tore up hard college football and the

1669
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,719
Speaker 1: game looked too easy for him a lot of times

1670
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 1: when he was playing college football. So I can't wait

1671
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:45,679
Speaker 1: to see what this player looks like in an NFL uniform,

1672
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 1: playing against NFL defenses, playing against a lot faster of

1673
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 1: a game than he's used to. Yeah, I don't know.

1674
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 1: I just for some reason, I think they're going to

1675
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 1: be a team that surprises some people. Not with a

1676
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 1: winning record, but I think they're gonna beat some teams

1677
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 1: where they're considered to be major underdogs, and they're gonna

1678
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 1: surprise some teams. And Lawrence, I think, is gonna pull

1679
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,600
Speaker 1: the rabbit out of the hat every once in a

1680
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:12,679
Speaker 1: while and make some plays for that team, provided he's

1681
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 1: the starter. According to urban Meyer. We have to take

1682
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 1: a break here, but Maddie and I will kick off

1683
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 1: our number three with your thoughts on the tweet sheet.

1684
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 1: I have not forgotten about what's for lunch. We may

1685
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 1: get to that a little bit later than we usually do.

1686
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:28,759
Speaker 1: We might have lunch hour around the time that Maddie

1687
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 1: usually eats lunch, sometimes sometime in the two o'clock hour.

1688
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 1: Although you got an early start today, so good on

1689
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 1: you for that. Meanwhile, I'm eating lunch at like eleven fifteen.

1690
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 1: I don't know how you wait this long. It's beyond them.

1691
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 1: We have to take a break. We're back in a

1692
01:34:41,200 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 1: second here on One Builds Life. That's Steve Tasker, who

1693
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:04,240
Speaker 1: has been all over her field. Kind of unique. He

1694
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:06,439
Speaker 1: was kind of a dual role player for you. Stave,

1695
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:12,719
Speaker 1: Steve a blimp. We're not even in the strated here

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01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 1: of normalcy. Our number three on a Thursday, Chris Brown,

1697
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 1: Maddie glab with you as we did not forget. We

1698
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 1: are going to get to a little what's for lunch

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01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 1: right now, which is presented by Independent Health. You deserve

1700
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 1: the red shirt treatment. This is when we basically serve

1701
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:41,920
Speaker 1: up some lunch. We give you a couple of menu

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01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 1: items and you pick. Maddy's done this before. I don't

1703
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:45,799
Speaker 1: need to explain it to her. I was just explaining

1704
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:50,559
Speaker 1: it to our listening audience. So first thing on the menu, hear, Maddie,

1705
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 1: who will have a better second year leap? Joe Burrow

1706
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 1: or Justin Herbert? What do you think? I mean, Justin

1707
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 1: Herbert had a pretty great rookie season. Joe Burrow ends early,

1708
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 1: but the reports out of camp right now is that

1709
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 1: he may not look the best. But I do think

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01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 1: he's going to have a bigger jump, just based on

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01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 1: what we saw from Justin Herbert in year one. Yeah,

1712
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to go up from thirty one touchdown

1713
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 1: passes as a rookie. So the the swath of improvement

1714
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow could exhibit after getting his season cut

1715
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 1: short last year, I think is greater. I would agree

1716
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 1: with you. And when you consider the fact that he

1717
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 1: not only has te Higgins to throw to, who he

1718
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 1: clearly formed a connection with last year, but he now

1719
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 1: has his former college running mate Jamar Chase as well

1720
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:56,439
Speaker 1: on the other side, I mean that is a really

1721
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:58,360
Speaker 1: good place to begin, not to mention he's got a

1722
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 1: really good slot guy in Tyler Boyd. So to me,

1723
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:08,639
Speaker 1: I think he's got a host of weapons. The key,

1724
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 1: obviously will be that offensive line holding up. So provided

1725
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:17,320
Speaker 1: Jonah Williams can come back from a season ending injury

1726
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 1: himself last year and capably manned the left tackle spot,

1727
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 1: I think he's got a good chance to yeah, take

1728
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: a nice leap here in year two with that Bengals

1729
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 1: offense for sure. Okay, what's for lunch? Number two? Second

1730
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 1: thing on the menu here? More likely to get traded

1731
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:46,760
Speaker 1: this season zach Ertz, Stefan Gilmore or Chandler Jones. Now

1732
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 1: Jones I think is the only one of those three

1733
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:51,560
Speaker 1: that said he wants to be traded. But what do

1734
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 1: you think on that group there? What are you picking

1735
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 1: off the menu? I mean this might not be the

1736
01:37:57,120 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 1: most educated guests, but because it's a name that we've

1737
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 1: heard about, heard about, and heard about some more in

1738
01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:07,400
Speaker 1: the offseason having to do with the Bills, I'm gonna say,

1739
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 1: zach Ertz, Okay, do you have a place in mind

1740
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 1: for him? I do not, and I don't think it's Buffalo. Yeah,

1741
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't. That's the reason I asked you. That's the

1742
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 1: reason I asked you I was curious if you thought Buffalo.

1743
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I don't think Buffalo either. I think

1744
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 1: the only thing that changes the conversation on zach ERT's

1745
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 1: not only for any team that might be looking for

1746
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:35,120
Speaker 1: a tight end, but to make him more attractive on

1747
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:39,639
Speaker 1: the trademarket in general, is is if the Eagles agree

1748
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 1: to probably pay half of that contract. Because eight and

1749
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 1: a quarter million I just don't think is palatable for

1750
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:50,760
Speaker 1: a lot of teams, even ones that might need a

1751
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:54,560
Speaker 1: tight end, just because of the restrictive cap and the

1752
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 1: fact that most of the people have spent their money

1753
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:02,639
Speaker 1: already on free ah and acquisitions, you know, on the rosters,

1754
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 1: so to stomach an eight and a quarter million dollars salary,

1755
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:09,680
Speaker 1: I just don't see that happening. I don't know if

1756
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 1: I would put him first on my list here. The

1757
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 1: reason why is I think the positions that Gilmore and

1758
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 1: Jones play are far more in demand pass rush year

1759
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:24,200
Speaker 1: at corner than the tight end position is, especially one

1760
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 1: for a guy who's probably grossly overpriced in the eyes

1761
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 1: of many. We know Jones wants to move. I think

1762
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 1: he's still a productive player. This is tough for me,

1763
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 1: though I'm down to Gilmore and Jones. I don't know

1764
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 1: who to pick because they're high priced positions as well,

1765
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 1: And if Gilmore gets traded, he's gonna probably be looking

1766
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 1: for a new contract, so I think that cancels him out.

1767
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:51,280
Speaker 1: We know Jones wants to get traded, so knowing he

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01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 1: wants out, I think he'll be more amenable to having

1769
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:56,560
Speaker 1: somebody to take his contract as is. So I'm just

1770
01:39:56,600 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 1: gonna say Chandler Jones because of that, And I don't

1771
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 1: think that happens until closer to the trade deadline in

1772
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:06,639
Speaker 1: early November, when somebody might be desperate for some pass

1773
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 1: rushing help and they're having a heck of a season,

1774
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 1: they want to go for it. Okay, next, what's for lunch?

1775
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:19,439
Speaker 1: Better dual threat quarterback Kyler Murray or Lamar Jackson? Well,

1776
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:21,920
Speaker 1: I think Kyler Murray is obviously better in the passing

1777
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,840
Speaker 1: game than Lamar Jackson. Kyler Murray can go to his

1778
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 1: feet when he needs to. Lamar, the question about him

1779
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 1: has been what can he add in the passing game?

1780
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:33,560
Speaker 1: But I think he's shown that in maybe not a

1781
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: whole lot of games, but he's shown that at times

1782
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:38,320
Speaker 1: what he can add to the passing game, and we

1783
01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:41,120
Speaker 1: talked about the weapons that he has and will have

1784
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 1: more of on this offense this season. I just think

1785
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:47,520
Speaker 1: what Lamar can do with his feet is pretty much unmatched.

1786
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:50,840
Speaker 1: I don't think any other quarterback in the league is

1787
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 1: like him on his feet. So I'm gonna say Lamar Jackson. Yeah,

1788
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 1: I kind of wrestled with this for the same reason

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01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 1: you did, because Lamar is clearly the better guy with

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01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 1: his feet. Murray is clearly the better of the two

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01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 1: with his arm. So then the question becomes who can

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01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:11,640
Speaker 1: make more plays in the other aspect of their game respectively.

1793
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:14,799
Speaker 1: Can Murray make more plays with his feet than Jackson

1794
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 1: can make with his arm. That's where I have to

1795
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 1: kind of come down on this, and knowing Murray gave

1796
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:26,640
Speaker 1: just about everybody fits with his feet, and what did

1797
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 1: he throw forth thirty eight hundred yards or something last year?

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01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 1: Almost four thousand yards. Jackson's the MVP. I think he's

1799
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 1: a dynamic talent. I don't know. I think I'm expecting

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01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:42,680
Speaker 1: Murray to make a jump here this year, So I

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01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna go with Murray. It's razor thin here.

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01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:49,479
Speaker 1: I think we're splitting hairs on this but I'm gonna

1803
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:54,320
Speaker 1: go Murray on the prognostication that his game takes another

1804
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:57,760
Speaker 1: jump this year in the passing game, chiefly, and we

1805
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 1: haven't seen that from Lamar really the last couple of years.

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01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:03,679
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm gonna lean that way a little bit. Okay,

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01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:07,920
Speaker 1: who will be the Broncos number one receiver, Jerry Judy

1808
01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 1: or Courtland Sutton? Sutton coming back from the ACL from

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01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 1: last year. Jerry Judy is your quick guy. He's a

1810
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 1: great route runner. Courtland Sutton has more of your size.

1811
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:30,439
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton was also out last season. This the one

1812
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 1: is also tough because I feel like Jerry Judy can

1813
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:36,800
Speaker 1: sometimes just be put in a box a little bit

1814
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 1: with what he can do. I don't think he's been

1815
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 1: in the NFL long enough. Courtland Suton is also a

1816
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 1: younger player too. It's not like he's a veteran in

1817
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:49,880
Speaker 1: the NFL yet. I think with just what Jerry Judy

1818
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 1: can offer as a wide receiver, I'm gonna say, Jerry Judy. Yeah. See,

1819
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:59,479
Speaker 1: for me, this is like the app and I'm a

1820
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:01,160
Speaker 1: pie guy, so this is how I look at this.

1821
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:04,799
Speaker 1: This is like the apple pie blueberry pie argument. Okay,

1822
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 1: apple pie more often than not. You know what you're getting.

1823
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 1: It's very hard to screw up apple pie. And it's

1824
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 1: a classic. It's a go to. It's consistent, and it's

1825
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 1: great with alamode, but that's a whole other story. But

1826
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:23,519
Speaker 1: it's it's consistent, it's reliable. You know what you're getting.

1827
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:27,640
Speaker 1: I think that's Jerry Judy here. Like blueberry pie is

1828
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:30,800
Speaker 1: outstanding if it's made the right way, it can even

1829
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 1: outdistance the traditional apple pie if it's made right, but

1830
01:43:35,320 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 1: it's not always made right. There's too much variation there,

1831
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 1: and that's Courtland Sutton here. He is a big play guy.

1832
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 1: He's gonna wow you sometimes, like when the blueberry pie

1833
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 1: is made right, but sometimes he might get, you know,

1834
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:50,920
Speaker 1: three catches for twenty nine yards and no touchdowns and

1835
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 1: then in other days eleven eighty yard touchdown in one

1836
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:55,120
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards and he'll look like a world beater.

1837
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:58,720
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy every week, I think is going to give

1838
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:02,599
Speaker 1: you consistent product auction, just because if the route runnery

1839
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 1: is as you mentioned, so I think I'm gonna go

1840
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:09,679
Speaker 1: with the steady Eddie contributor. And to me, that's Jerry

1841
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:11,920
Speaker 1: Judy in this Broncos offense. So I am gonna go

1842
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:16,080
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy here as well. Which quarterback would you rather

1843
01:44:16,200 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 1: have for the next three years? Maddie, Oh, this is

1844
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 1: a tough one. Carson Wentz or Jalen Hurts. Where are

1845
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:28,880
Speaker 1: you next three years? Not even just this year? This

1846
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:32,439
Speaker 1: is a commitment, mappe answer, this is a commit any

1847
01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:34,320
Speaker 1: of them? Could you vote for none of the above?

1848
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 1: Who's my offensive coordinator or my head coach? Well, I

1849
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:42,479
Speaker 1: would say you get the coordinators that they currently have,

1850
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 1: So you get Nick Sirianni. If you're talking package deal,

1851
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:51,400
Speaker 1: you get Nick Sirianni and Frank Reich. I I hate

1852
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:54,799
Speaker 1: that Carson Wentz got hurt. That is just the biggest

1853
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:58,000
Speaker 1: bummer right now for him. I mean, there are so

1854
01:44:58,120 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 1: many questions surrounding him. You know, is he the real Dale?

1855
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:04,200
Speaker 1: What is this going to look like with Frank Wright?

1856
01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:08,240
Speaker 1: He's reuniting with Frank Wright. If anyone can make him right,

1857
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:12,679
Speaker 1: it's Frank Reich. So for that, I feel like we've

1858
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:14,840
Speaker 1: seen more out of Carson Wentz. Of course, can see

1859
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 1: an older quarterback than Jalen Hurts. I know, the Jalen

1860
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:21,600
Speaker 1: Hurts of the Alabama days. More and all of us do,

1861
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:24,839
Speaker 1: rather than the Jalen Hurts of the NFL and the Eagles.

1862
01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 1: So I think you talked about the Steti Eddie or

1863
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:31,519
Speaker 1: the consistency that we've seen in Jerry Judy. I don't

1864
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:33,759
Speaker 1: think we've really gotten a look at that for Jalen

1865
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 1: Hurts yet. I mean, I think we will get that

1866
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:39,160
Speaker 1: this season. But because we don't know about that right now,

1867
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:41,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, Carson Wentz, what about you. I

1868
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:44,400
Speaker 1: am going purely on blind faith here. I am putting

1869
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:47,840
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of my faith in Frank Reich that

1870
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 1: he can get Carson Wentz back to MVP form. That

1871
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:55,320
Speaker 1: is something we have never seen from Jalen Hurts yet.

1872
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:56,960
Speaker 1: Granted he's only had one year in the league, so

1873
01:45:57,240 --> 01:46:01,479
Speaker 1: it's not really a fair argument. But because I have

1874
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 1: seen it before from Carson Wentz, and the last time

1875
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:07,840
Speaker 1: he did it, Frank Reich was his coordinator, I am

1876
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:10,680
Speaker 1: going to put complete blind faith in Frank Reich and

1877
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:14,639
Speaker 1: say Carson Wentz the next three years. My god, that's

1878
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:17,080
Speaker 1: a commitment that I'm not willing to make with either

1879
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 1: of them. I'm right there with you. None of the vote,

1880
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:22,280
Speaker 1: none of the above, it's like that movie Brewsters. Millions

1881
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 1: vote none of the above, last one here on What's

1882
01:46:27,400 --> 01:46:30,799
Speaker 1: for Lunch that We'll do today. Most overrated wide receiver

1883
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:41,639
Speaker 1: Corey Davis or Juju Smith Schuster. I think I'm gonna

1884
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:45,320
Speaker 1: say Juju on this one, Okay. Is that because his

1885
01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 1: TikTok's turn you off? Or is there another reason? I mean,

1886
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:53,760
Speaker 1: that's honestly, that's a little bit of it. Why did

1887
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,519
Speaker 1: I get the person? Why did I think that was

1888
01:46:56,600 --> 01:47:02,080
Speaker 1: gonna come into the evaluation here? You know, we've got

1889
01:47:02,160 --> 01:47:05,519
Speaker 1: to evaluate how they are off the field. Has been

1890
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 1: quite annoying off the field, and even his teammates were

1891
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:11,599
Speaker 1: pissed off by that, like what are you doing? Man?

1892
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:17,479
Speaker 1: And I don't think he cannot do that with the

1893
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:20,519
Speaker 1: stats that he was putting up. That's that's the where

1894
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:25,360
Speaker 1: this goes. I think he's overhyped. We'll see what happens

1895
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:31,439
Speaker 1: this season. But we got flashes of Juju Smith Schuster

1896
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:34,360
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, but I didn't. I

1897
01:47:34,439 --> 01:47:36,360
Speaker 1: didn't see it out of him. And I think he

1898
01:47:36,479 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 1: needs to do a lot more to be able to

1899
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:42,519
Speaker 1: be someone who is dancing on team logos and filming

1900
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:47,120
Speaker 1: TikTok dances while his other teammates are on the field

1901
01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:54,920
Speaker 1: warming up. Corey Davis, Yes, has he proven that much? No? Do?

1902
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 1: I think he has a lot more to prove and

1903
01:47:58,040 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 1: do I think his ceiling could be a little bit

1904
01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 1: higher maybe compared to Juju Smith Schuster. I think we've

1905
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 1: we've seen what we've seen from Juju. He's had, yes,

1906
01:48:09,200 --> 01:48:11,639
Speaker 1: great seasons, but I don't think we can expect more

1907
01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:13,960
Speaker 1: than the great seasons that he's had. I think we

1908
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:18,439
Speaker 1: can expect more out of Corey Davis, if that makes sense. Yeah,

1909
01:48:18,439 --> 01:48:20,960
Speaker 1: I get where you're coming from with that. I think

1910
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:24,040
Speaker 1: that Smith Schuster is the more proven wide out here.

1911
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:28,280
Speaker 1: He has better career production, He's been a better scorer.

1912
01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:32,040
Speaker 1: He's far out distance Corey Davis when it comes to scoring,

1913
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:38,920
Speaker 1: including a career high nine touchdowns last year. Davis last

1914
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:41,800
Speaker 1: year left you with the feeling that you know what,

1915
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:44,760
Speaker 1: it might finally be starting to click for him. He

1916
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:47,479
Speaker 1: almost had a thousand yards season last year in an

1917
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:50,439
Speaker 1: offense where he clearly was not the number one option.

1918
01:48:50,479 --> 01:48:52,519
Speaker 1: Obviously the number one option was Derek Henry and then

1919
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:55,599
Speaker 1: after that it was a J. Brown and Corey Davis.

1920
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:59,880
Speaker 1: Was you know one of those secondary role type players,

1921
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:02,880
Speaker 1: and he almost had a thousand yards season. The only

1922
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 1: thing that worries me here is he's playing with a

1923
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:10,360
Speaker 1: rookie in Zach Wilson, and so I'm thinking to myself,

1924
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 1: even if Corey Davis is the number one option in

1925
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 1: this offense, and I'm still not convinced of that with

1926
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 1: the Jets because I think Elijah Moore has turned a

1927
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 1: lot of heads and might be the number one guy

1928
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 1: out of the slot for them at the end of

1929
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:26,960
Speaker 1: the season in terms of production. So I'm inclined to

1930
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:32,120
Speaker 1: go with Juju, even though his TikTok dances annoy the

1931
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:35,760
Speaker 1: hell out of me too. So I'm going to say,

1932
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:38,280
Speaker 1: because of the quarterbacks they're playing with, I will trust

1933
01:49:38,360 --> 01:49:42,240
Speaker 1: that Roethlisberger can do more for Smith Schuster than Zach

1934
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:46,439
Speaker 1: Wilson can do for Corey Davis. So I go more

1935
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:51,080
Speaker 1: overrated Davis than Smith Schuster here. So that's where I

1936
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:54,760
Speaker 1: come down on that. Okay, we gotta That is What's

1937
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:57,880
Speaker 1: for Lunch, brought to you by Independent Health. You deserve

1938
01:49:58,040 --> 01:50:00,519
Speaker 1: the red shirt treatment. We want to get back to

1939
01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:02,679
Speaker 1: the tweet sheet to get some of your final thoughts

1940
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:06,559
Speaker 1: on where you came down on players you are looking

1941
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 1: to focus on on offense and defense and why. So

1942
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 1: we go back to the tweet sheet we left off

1943
01:50:14,479 --> 01:50:17,640
Speaker 1: with Veto here Maddie who said, I'll be keeping a

1944
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:22,080
Speaker 1: close eye on those young secondary players and of course

1945
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:28,120
Speaker 1: Jake from All Caps. Wow. Veto very interested in seeing

1946
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 1: what Jake from has to offer. And I understand why, Maddie.

1947
01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:36,200
Speaker 1: Nobody's seen this guy that's a Bills fan. Nobody went

1948
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:38,680
Speaker 1: to games really except for the two playoff games, and

1949
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:46,280
Speaker 1: Jake was obviously the socially distanced quarterback, had an unbelievably

1950
01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:49,400
Speaker 1: trying rookie year, and I think people are interested. They say,

1951
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 1: what does this kid have to offer? That's why there's

1952
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 1: an intrigue here. I think, yeah, Vito sounds like quite

1953
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:59,639
Speaker 1: the Jake from fan. Maybe a little Georgia connection there,

1954
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:03,639
Speaker 1: but yeah, poor Jake from what he had to deal

1955
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:07,880
Speaker 1: with last season and put up with. I remember when

1956
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:10,960
Speaker 1: they finally didn't have to socially distance him. This is

1957
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:14,200
Speaker 1: of course after this season that Josh Allen kind of

1958
01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:16,720
Speaker 1: joked around and said, yeah, it was nice to not

1959
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:19,560
Speaker 1: be like twenty feet away from Jake from today in

1960
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:23,040
Speaker 1: quarterback meetings and to actually have a conversation with the guy.

1961
01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:25,439
Speaker 1: He's been on the team for a whole year now,

1962
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:28,000
Speaker 1: and a lot of us don't know him because he

1963
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 1: wasn't at practices and he had to practice afterwards with

1964
01:51:32,280 --> 01:51:35,600
Speaker 1: a select amount of players who were able to do

1965
01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:38,559
Speaker 1: things with him, so he got the reps in. I'm

1966
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:41,679
Speaker 1: interested to see what we'll see out of him as well.

1967
01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:45,320
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got three backup quarterbacks right now in

1968
01:51:45,479 --> 01:51:50,800
Speaker 1: Mitchell TRUBISTI, Davis Webb, who this team absolutely loves, and

1969
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:54,680
Speaker 1: Jake from So it'll be intriguing to see how things

1970
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:57,320
Speaker 1: shake out in the quarterback room as well. Yeah, because

1971
01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:01,400
Speaker 1: you gotta believe, like Trubisky probably plays at least a

1972
01:52:01,479 --> 01:52:05,040
Speaker 1: quarter tomorrow night, right, but that leaves three quarters for

1973
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:08,479
Speaker 1: Davis Webb and Jake. They could get a quarter and

1974
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:10,519
Speaker 1: a half each tomorrow night. I mean, they're gonna get

1975
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:14,040
Speaker 1: plenty of time to see those two guys, So that'll

1976
01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:16,920
Speaker 1: be kind of cool in a way. Now. Vito also

1977
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 1: said he's keeping an eye on the young secondary players.

1978
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:23,240
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got upwards of eight or nine young

1979
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:26,320
Speaker 1: guys between corner and safety. Maddie. I mean, I don't

1980
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:28,320
Speaker 1: even know if we're gonna be able to keep track

1981
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:31,439
Speaker 1: of them at all as they play tomorrow night. And

1982
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:34,920
Speaker 1: I know you ran through some of them already, but

1983
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:39,760
Speaker 1: rookies alone, Maddie, I mean Nick McCleod, Rashad Wild Goose,

1984
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:44,519
Speaker 1: DeMar Hamlin. And then in addition, you got undrafted guys

1985
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:50,280
Speaker 1: like Terek Thompson, Elijah Griffin. I mean, that's a long list,

1986
01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:54,880
Speaker 1: and those are just the rookies. I think this can

1987
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:58,080
Speaker 1: be a case of we are seeing guys roseate in

1988
01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:00,960
Speaker 1: and out every few plays. So we get past the

1989
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:04,160
Speaker 1: first quarter making sure that everyone gets the looks that

1990
01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:07,280
Speaker 1: they deserve, and we go back to the three preseason

1991
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 1: game thing instead of four. And one thing that Sean

1992
01:53:09,960 --> 01:53:13,599
Speaker 1: McDermott said was we have to alter practices a little

1993
01:53:13,640 --> 01:53:17,000
Speaker 1: bit so we make sure that every single guy gets

1994
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:21,519
Speaker 1: the same chance that everyone else does to make this roster.

1995
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:26,240
Speaker 1: And so you look at the secondary position. There are

1996
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:29,000
Speaker 1: so many corners on this roster right now. I mean,

1997
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:32,960
Speaker 1: of course, offensive line and defensive line are huge. I

1998
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:37,919
Speaker 1: count a defensive line yesterday and sixteen people, but corners

1999
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:40,080
Speaker 1: you don't keep too many on your roster. And right

2000
01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:44,320
Speaker 1: now that corner position is pretty hefty. So they're going

2001
01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:46,640
Speaker 1: to need to see these guys and see who can

2002
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:50,160
Speaker 1: truly be death players for them in case a Tredevious

2003
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:56,280
Speaker 1: or a Dane Jackson or Levi Wallace goes out, Yeah,

2004
01:53:56,600 --> 01:53:59,519
Speaker 1: I mean you got nine, but you got nine people there,

2005
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:04,919
Speaker 1: I think ten ten, well, no, nine, nine corners, nine corners,

2006
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:09,600
Speaker 1: six safeties. So geezh. I mean that's have fun with that,

2007
01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:16,120
Speaker 1: like doing evaluations and stuff. Um, yeah, that's that's gonna

2008
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:18,360
Speaker 1: be tricky not to mention the fact, Maddie that you

2009
01:54:18,439 --> 01:54:22,160
Speaker 1: still have guys that still haven't proven themselves on this

2010
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:25,920
Speaker 1: roster that are like young first or second year players,

2011
01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:31,679
Speaker 1: you know, Josh Thomas, cam Lewis, Jaquan Johnson, Dane Jackson.

2012
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:35,520
Speaker 1: I mean, there's even a handful of guys that haven't

2013
01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:37,560
Speaker 1: really had much time on the field either, that have

2014
01:54:37,680 --> 01:54:41,280
Speaker 1: been here for a little bit. So it's that's gonna

2015
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:48,800
Speaker 1: be a lot Bobby Babbage, John Butler, m Jimmy Sealgato.

2016
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys got a lot of tape to

2017
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:54,640
Speaker 1: go through after the game, after the game Friday night,

2018
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:56,840
Speaker 1: their eyes are gonna be falling out of their head

2019
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 1: with all the guys they have to evaluate Doug on

2020
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:03,360
Speaker 1: the tweet sheet says I wanted to cheat and name

2021
01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:06,040
Speaker 1: a couple of quarterbacks hint, hint, but I will say

2022
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:09,040
Speaker 1: Jake from I'm excited to see what he can do

2023
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:11,560
Speaker 1: on the field after being our emergency QB. I really

2024
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:13,840
Speaker 1: liked him out of college as far as defense. I

2025
01:55:13,880 --> 01:55:15,920
Speaker 1: want to see what Dane Jackson can do after having

2026
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:18,240
Speaker 1: some struggles in camp. We talked about this, Maddie. An

2027
01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:22,120
Speaker 1: uneven couple of weeks of practice here for Dane Jackson,

2028
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:25,600
Speaker 1: But this is where he can turn it all around.

2029
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:28,840
Speaker 1: You light it up in the preseason game. Some of

2030
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:35,320
Speaker 1: those uneven plays in practice suddenly disappear into the background. Yeah,

2031
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:38,760
Speaker 1: and it's not like Dane Jackson has had this terrible

2032
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:43,000
Speaker 1: camp where everything is getting by him. He's had some

2033
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 1: good plays, he's had some not so great plays. And

2034
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:49,600
Speaker 1: the reason why he's been labeled as someone who's struggled

2035
01:55:49,640 --> 01:55:53,320
Speaker 1: at times in camp is because we've seen what he

2036
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:56,920
Speaker 1: can be in games. When he got a chance last

2037
01:55:57,040 --> 01:55:59,760
Speaker 1: year he had an interception as a rookie, he would

2038
01:55:59,800 --> 01:56:02,560
Speaker 1: come I'm in games and make plays that made him

2039
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:05,160
Speaker 1: look like he wasn't a rookie. So I think we

2040
01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:09,440
Speaker 1: are all holding Dane Jackson to a pretty high standard

2041
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:12,560
Speaker 1: for how young of a player he is and for

2042
01:56:12,720 --> 01:56:16,240
Speaker 1: how few looks he got in game action he got.

2043
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:19,320
Speaker 1: I think he played in five or six games last season,

2044
01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:23,200
Speaker 1: had some nice stats out of those games, and flash.

2045
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:25,680
Speaker 1: So this is a player that I think all of

2046
01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:30,400
Speaker 1: us in local media are. We're expecting to have not

2047
01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:34,280
Speaker 1: necessarily a lighted up camp, but have a really solid

2048
01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:37,520
Speaker 1: camp and shine and show some of those things that

2049
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:41,880
Speaker 1: he showed his rookie season, like you alluded to earlier, Brownie,

2050
01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:44,640
Speaker 1: Maybe this is just the type of player who turns

2051
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:46,640
Speaker 1: it on when the lights are on and when it's

2052
01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:50,640
Speaker 1: truly a game. I'm very excited to see what this

2053
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:54,640
Speaker 1: guy looks like on Friday Night, because we haven't necessarily

2054
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:58,520
Speaker 1: seen the Dane Jackson that we all know yet. Lance

2055
01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:01,040
Speaker 1: on the tweet cheats is one guy I'll zone in on.

2056
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:04,640
Speaker 1: Specifically is Boogie Basham. But I'm looking at the offensive

2057
01:57:04,720 --> 01:57:08,760
Speaker 1: line and tight end positions now there is a lot.

2058
01:57:09,120 --> 01:57:11,360
Speaker 1: Much like the secondary, there is a lot to sort

2059
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:15,000
Speaker 1: through on the offensive line, you know, even with some

2060
01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:18,320
Speaker 1: of the familiar names, you know, I mean Coach McDermott

2061
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:21,920
Speaker 1: addressed the budding guard competition between the likes of you know,

2062
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:24,720
Speaker 1: Cody Ford, Feliciano, and Iike Buck are all guys that

2063
01:57:24,840 --> 01:57:28,520
Speaker 1: started at guard for this team last year for a

2064
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:31,960
Speaker 1: various number of reasons. But then you have people you

2065
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:35,680
Speaker 1: know that we're not on this roster last year. It's like, well,

2066
01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:37,040
Speaker 1: what are we going to get from this guy? What

2067
01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:39,800
Speaker 1: is Spencer Brown gonna give us? What is Tommy Doyle

2068
01:57:39,880 --> 01:57:43,840
Speaker 1: gonna show in his first preseason action? What is Jack

2069
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:46,760
Speaker 1: Anderson going to show in his first preseason action? So

2070
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:50,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot to sort through on the offensive line,

2071
01:57:50,040 --> 01:57:53,360
Speaker 1: and then behind Dawson, Knox Maddie, I don't know if

2072
01:57:53,400 --> 01:57:57,160
Speaker 1: there's another position on this roster that has more question

2073
01:57:57,280 --> 01:58:00,920
Speaker 1: marks just because you simply don't know about these guys.

2074
01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:03,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you know who Tommy Sweeney is, but he

2075
01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:05,800
Speaker 1: hasn't played it over a year. What's he gonna look like?

2076
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:11,400
Speaker 1: Jacob Hollister hasn't been on this roster before. And it's

2077
01:58:11,480 --> 01:58:14,480
Speaker 1: not like you have that Lee Smith type tight end

2078
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:18,480
Speaker 1: who's gonna be your luck as a pass blocker. We

2079
01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:21,640
Speaker 1: do not have that on the roster this year, and

2080
01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:23,840
Speaker 1: so we have a lot of tight ends who kind

2081
01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:26,120
Speaker 1: of look like Dawson Knox in what they're able to

2082
01:58:26,200 --> 01:58:29,280
Speaker 1: do in deploying them in the passing game, them being

2083
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:33,120
Speaker 1: used as receivers, do any of them stand out a

2084
01:58:33,160 --> 01:58:36,440
Speaker 1: little bit more than others when it comes to the

2085
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:39,800
Speaker 1: blocking game. We'll see on Friday night. But yeah, this

2086
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:43,200
Speaker 1: is truly after Dawson Knox flip a fricking coin, we

2087
01:58:43,320 --> 01:58:48,480
Speaker 1: don't know, And then with Boogie Basham specifically as mentioned

2088
01:58:48,520 --> 01:58:51,800
Speaker 1: by Lance, I think the most interesting thing there is

2089
01:58:52,720 --> 01:58:56,800
Speaker 1: how much do they believe in his position flexibility? They've

2090
01:58:56,840 --> 01:59:01,440
Speaker 1: talked about it a lot, and defense to tackle? Where

2091
01:59:01,480 --> 01:59:06,440
Speaker 1: does he line up more Friday night? Because you are

2092
01:59:06,680 --> 01:59:10,480
Speaker 1: flush with defensive end talent on this roster, even beyond

2093
01:59:11,160 --> 01:59:15,720
Speaker 1: the starting players. Where does he spend more time Friday

2094
01:59:15,800 --> 01:59:17,840
Speaker 1: night on the field? Is it inside or outside? I

2095
01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:20,640
Speaker 1: think that's the biggest thing I'll be looking for with

2096
01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:24,680
Speaker 1: respect to him. We have to take a break here,

2097
01:59:25,200 --> 01:59:27,160
Speaker 1: but when we come back, we'll get your final thoughts

2098
01:59:27,240 --> 01:59:30,080
Speaker 1: on the tweet sheet and then a little NFL true

2099
01:59:30,200 --> 01:59:32,520
Speaker 1: false Mannie and I will work our way through that

2100
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:35,200
Speaker 1: when we return here. On one Bills Live presented by

2101
01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:52,120
Speaker 1: Kalida Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back Chris Brown,

2102
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:55,240
Speaker 1: Maddi glab here on one Bills Live on a Thursday,

2103
01:59:56,120 --> 01:59:59,880
Speaker 1: and we want to wrap up your thoughts on the

2104
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:03,480
Speaker 1: tweet sheet, but there is something we wanted to pass along.

2105
02:00:03,600 --> 02:00:07,240
Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of the stadium announcements being made

2106
02:00:07,400 --> 02:00:10,960
Speaker 1: around the league, and now the city of New Orleans

2107
02:00:11,080 --> 02:00:14,640
Speaker 1: has followed suit. They're saying they will be requiring vaccines

2108
02:00:15,640 --> 02:00:20,080
Speaker 1: or proof of negative COVID nineteen tests for indoor activities.

2109
02:00:20,640 --> 02:00:23,200
Speaker 1: This is being reported by the New Orleans Times Picayune.

2110
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:27,800
Speaker 1: So this includes sane schemes which are obviously in in

2111
02:00:27,880 --> 02:00:32,160
Speaker 1: a dome. So if you have your Bill's road trip

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Speaker 1: planned for New Orleans on Thanksgiving, make sure you bring

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Speaker 1: your vaccination card if vaccinated, or proof of a negative

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Speaker 1: COVID test, otherwise they probably won't let you in the

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Speaker 1: building for the game on that Thursday night, Thanksgiving night.

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Speaker 1: So just a word of warning if that's your road

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Speaker 1: trip for the year, Bills fans. But we want to

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Speaker 1: get back to the tweet sheet. We are up to

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Speaker 1: Dave who says defense it's easy. Are two rookies bash

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Speaker 1: him and Rousseau offense Mitch Trubisky. I want to see

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Speaker 1: what we've gotten our backup. I'll also be watching Antonio Williams.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk. We did our whole show on this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Mattie Trubisky and what Bills fans want to see from him.

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Speaker 1: They're certainly going to get a nice long look. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we don't have to run down the resume for you being,

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Speaker 1: you know, growing up a Bears fan. But what do

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Speaker 1: you think is realistic to expect from him in what

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Speaker 1: will be, you know, a new offense for him. I

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Speaker 1: think it's realistic to expect him to look like pretty

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Speaker 1: good in his role that he's given. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how much time we're going to see out of him.

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Speaker 1: I would guess it's not too much. But this is

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Speaker 1: someone who during practices we've seen him have some really

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Speaker 1: good days and throw some really nice balls. Yes, he

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Speaker 1: is in a new offense, but I also think, coming

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Speaker 1: from someone who also watches the Bears, I think this

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Speaker 1: is an offense that suits his skill set and his

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Speaker 1: strengths better than the offense that he was in with

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. We saw the Bears sometimes go to

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Speaker 1: an offense that suited him and he would shine and

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Speaker 1: have flashes of Oh, this is why you drafted him,

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Speaker 1: but they didn't commit to that type of offense. I

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Speaker 1: believe this Bill's offense fits his skill set and his strengths,

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Speaker 1: which are similar in ways to Josh Allen better, and

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Speaker 1: so I think from that we will see a more

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Speaker 1: elevated quarterback. He talked about how comfortable he is with

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Speaker 1: the Bills, how he's finding his love for football again

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Speaker 1: with the Bills. I think this is a good situation

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Speaker 1: for him. I think he's going to look back on

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Speaker 1: this time and be thankful that he decided to come

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Speaker 1: to Buffalo. Yes, he wanted to be a starter, but

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Speaker 1: he's not going to be a starter this season. He's

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Speaker 1: going to be a backup. But I think we should

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Speaker 1: expect good things from him. We've seen it in camp,

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02:02:59,480 --> 02:03:01,840
Speaker 1: where should be able to see it in a game,

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Speaker 1: especially against some starters. He's played the lines before. This

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02:03:06,440 --> 02:03:09,720
Speaker 1: looks like it's not the same exact team, but he's

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Speaker 1: played against this team multiple times. Yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think we should expect competent play from him. I know

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Speaker 1: it's a new offense for him, but I think they're

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Speaker 1: going to keep it relatively simple, as they typically do

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Speaker 1: in the preseason for all intents and purposes. And I

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Speaker 1: think this is a guy with fifty NFL starts under

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Speaker 1: his belt. This isn't new territory for him, so I

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Speaker 1: think he will execute and play pretty consistently, even though

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Speaker 1: it's his first time out with this system. In a

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Speaker 1: preseason setting, Nick on the tweet sheet says, each week,

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Speaker 1: I will be focused on the run game and the

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Speaker 1: pass rush. Second, I'll have my eyes fixed on the

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Speaker 1: linebackers and the run defense. These are all areas, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, that need improvement over last year's team. If

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Speaker 1: this team can consistently stop the run and get to

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, Bills will be hard to beat. So let's

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Speaker 1: talk about that, Mattie, because what we have there is

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Speaker 1: a pass rush that I think most believe will be

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Speaker 1: better and more productive based on the pieces that were added.

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Speaker 1: The run defense is an interesting thing to think about.

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Speaker 1: Though everybody's been talking about the pass rush, what about

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Speaker 1: the run defense? Stars back that helps Harrison Phillips is

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Speaker 1: squarely focused on strengthening his body. He's up to like

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Speaker 1: three or eight now, isn't worried about rehab anymore, figures

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Speaker 1: to be a better player. So what do we think

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Speaker 1: run defense wise specifically, I mean, obviously we're hoping for

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Speaker 1: a good showing, but what do you think is realistic there.

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Speaker 1: I think we should expect a good showing out of

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Speaker 1: the run defense. I mean, this is a team where

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Speaker 1: last year, let's think about what they did last year.

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Speaker 1: The run defense had games where they did not play

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Speaker 1: well early on in the season, letting up way too

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Speaker 1: many rushing yards. But they kind of fix that before

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Speaker 1: the end of the season. I wouldn't say that was

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Speaker 1: one of like their bug a booze. Now heading into

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Speaker 1: the off season, I feel like they kind of they

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Speaker 1: ironed that out in different ways, and I think Star

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Speaker 1: only adds to that. I also think we're going to

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Speaker 1: be able to see a little bit of Star because

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Speaker 1: we didn't see him at all last year. I think

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Speaker 1: this is maybe a starter who's going to get time

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Speaker 1: in the preseason game, get some action just because of

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Speaker 1: him not playing at all last year. So I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to see what he looks like after missing an entire season.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't expect we see a lot out of him,

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02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:34,760
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't be shocked if he's out there for

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02:05:34,840 --> 02:05:38,800
Speaker 1: a little while. Yeah, we did mention probably no Vernon

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Speaker 1: Butler after he sustained a concussion earlier this week in practice,

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Speaker 1: so he would be out of the equation. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I mean on the inside, I think there has

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Speaker 1: to be some evidence that they've tightened things up in there.

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Speaker 1: The run defense also suffered last year because of the

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Speaker 1: injuries at linebacker. Edmonds was out, Alana was out, and

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Speaker 1: then it was just a deck shuffling every week right

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Speaker 1: through mid season. But as you pointed out, yes, they

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Speaker 1: did tighten that down in the second half of the

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Speaker 1: season when they were a much better run defense. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: they look more like that than they did at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of last year. Thanks to everybody who chimed in

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Speaker 1: on the tweet sheet. But it is time now for

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Speaker 1: us to move to NFL True Falls, which is brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Yancy's Fancy New York's Artisan Cheese. And

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Speaker 1: first up on True Falls is this Christian McCaffrey is

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Speaker 1: the most versatile player in the NFL. True or false.

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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey is quite a versatile NFL player, But does

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Speaker 1: he stand out head and shoulders above everyone else in

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Speaker 1: the NFL that also has the word versatile place next

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Speaker 1: to their name. Alvin Kamara is a pretty versatile player.

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02:06:55,120 --> 02:06:58,560
Speaker 1: Jeremy Chin showed what he could do on defense last year.

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Speaker 1: In terms of versatility, I don't think Christian McCaffrey has

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Speaker 1: is way up there. I guess I'm trying to say

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Speaker 1: in terms of how versatile he is versus other players,

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Speaker 1: So I would lump him players together. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I put him on the time by himself. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: saying false, Okay, Yeah. Camara was a guy that came

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Speaker 1: to mind when I saw this question too, and then

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about players that move back and forth

2235
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Speaker 1: between like receiver, running back returnment, like a Quarterrell Patterson.

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Speaker 1: That guy's super versatile. He might not be quite as

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Speaker 1: talented as McCaffrey, but I think he might be more

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Speaker 1: versatile than McCaffrey. So if we're going strictly on the

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Speaker 1: basis of versatility, maybe more so than talent, I think

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Speaker 1: you can find some people that are more versatile. He's

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Speaker 1: a dynamic player. I don't think there's any question about that.

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Speaker 1: But from a strict standpoint of versatility, I might pick

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Speaker 1: somebody else first. So for those reasons, I will say

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02:08:04,680 --> 02:08:10,480
Speaker 1: false as well. You gotta believe that Sam Darnold is hoping,

2245
02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:13,560
Speaker 1: like heck, that guy can stay Hella for all seventeen games,

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02:08:13,960 --> 02:08:16,160
Speaker 1: because that is a great guy to having your backfield

2247
02:08:16,520 --> 02:08:20,840
Speaker 1: because it keeps defenses honest. It forces them to probably

2248
02:08:20,880 --> 02:08:22,680
Speaker 1: put eight in the box a good deal, which means

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02:08:22,680 --> 02:08:25,600
Speaker 1: you should get single coverage on the outside, which would

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Speaker 1: be an advantage for Darnold, who is playing the Jets

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Speaker 1: in Week one. That's gonna be an interest day. That

2252
02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:34,880
Speaker 1: is a headline game. That is a headline game in

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02:08:34,960 --> 02:08:37,120
Speaker 1: a big way. It's so funny, Mannie, because we had

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Speaker 1: Dan hanzus On from NFL dot Com on the show

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Speaker 1: last week, and he is a self admitted Jets fan.

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Speaker 1: So I said to him, I said, I gotta know, Dan, like,

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Speaker 1: what is what is the What are the emotions going

2258
02:08:50,520 --> 02:08:55,240
Speaker 1: to be like Week one when your Jets go to

2259
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Speaker 1: play the Carolina Panthers and Sam Darnold, the guy who

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02:08:57,960 --> 02:08:59,600
Speaker 1: traded away, And he said, I am going to be

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02:08:59,680 --> 02:09:02,880
Speaker 1: biting off every single one of my fingernails, worrying that

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02:09:03,080 --> 02:09:05,800
Speaker 1: the sky is going to fall and Sam Darnold's gonna

2263
02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:08,080
Speaker 1: throw for three hundred and fifty yards and four touchdowns

2264
02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:10,880
Speaker 1: and it'll be bad enough. We lose our first game,

2265
02:09:11,120 --> 02:09:12,760
Speaker 1: but we lose it to the guy that we just

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02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:14,240
Speaker 1: traded it away because we didn't think he was any

2267
02:09:14,240 --> 02:09:18,200
Speaker 1: good anymore. That would be a colossal ouch. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: would freak me out too. I cannot wait to see

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Speaker 1: what Sam Darnold does this season, because I think the

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02:09:24,360 --> 02:09:26,440
Speaker 1: Jets wrote him off and I think he is a

2271
02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:31,440
Speaker 1: lot more talented than the Jets thought. He was speaking

2272
02:09:31,680 --> 02:09:35,520
Speaker 1: of the Jets NFL True false number two. The Jets

2273
02:09:35,560 --> 02:09:40,000
Speaker 1: should be concerned by quarterback Zach Wilson's early hiccups, which

2274
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Speaker 1: we kind of addressed a little bit earlier in the show.

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Speaker 1: So what say you on this? I'm saying they shouldn't

2276
02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:52,080
Speaker 1: be concerned. I'm saying false just because kind of how

2277
02:09:52,120 --> 02:09:54,680
Speaker 1: we dove into this earlier. If this is a guy

2278
02:09:54,800 --> 02:09:57,560
Speaker 1: who is who is pushing things and is trying to

2279
02:09:59,200 --> 02:10:02,200
Speaker 1: stretch what he can do. What he can't do is

2280
02:10:02,240 --> 02:10:05,080
Speaker 1: trying to figure out the offense, especially in his first

2281
02:10:05,200 --> 02:10:08,920
Speaker 1: training camp with this team, I think that is smart

2282
02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:12,240
Speaker 1: on you. You should not be throwing like six picks

2283
02:10:12,280 --> 02:10:15,040
Speaker 1: of practice. If he was doing that, I'd be like, oh,

2284
02:10:15,200 --> 02:10:19,000
Speaker 1: we may have a problem here. But in terms of

2285
02:10:19,080 --> 02:10:22,320
Speaker 1: being a Bills fan, I would say, Yeppe, maybe they

2286
02:10:22,360 --> 02:10:27,480
Speaker 1: got it wrong again, but I'm saying and no worries

2287
02:10:27,560 --> 02:10:30,200
Speaker 1: on this one. This is just a rookie who's trying

2288
02:10:30,240 --> 02:10:33,520
Speaker 1: to figure out what works for him, what doesn't work

2289
02:10:33,600 --> 02:10:37,000
Speaker 1: for him in this offense. And I would expect that

2290
02:10:37,200 --> 02:10:40,360
Speaker 1: we see a pretty good quarterback out there this season

2291
02:10:40,520 --> 02:10:42,840
Speaker 1: just because of what he did in college football. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say false two on this. As far as hiccups,

2293
02:10:45,120 --> 02:10:47,120
Speaker 1: can we really call him hiccups if they're in practice

2294
02:10:47,160 --> 02:10:50,920
Speaker 1: in training camp, like if he's a disaster in all

2295
02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:54,400
Speaker 1: three preseason games, okay, you know, and they're probably more

2296
02:10:54,440 --> 02:10:58,120
Speaker 1: than hiccups, and people in Jets Land will be jumping

2297
02:10:58,160 --> 02:11:02,120
Speaker 1: off of bridges. But for right now, no, let's get

2298
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Speaker 1: to the preseason first quickly, Maddie. We've got about fifteen seconds.

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Speaker 1: NFL true false Number three. Stefon Diggs will break Calvin

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02:11:08,880 --> 02:11:12,680
Speaker 1: Johnson's receiving record and have two thousand yards in twenty

2301
02:11:12,760 --> 02:11:15,920
Speaker 1: twenty one. True or false? Just so you know, Calvin

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Speaker 1: Johnson at nineteen hundred and sixty four receiving yards, that's

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Speaker 1: the record. I'm saying false. There are too many weapons

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02:11:21,680 --> 02:11:23,640
Speaker 1: on this offense. He's gonna have to share the ball

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02:11:23,640 --> 02:11:26,080
Speaker 1: at too many receivers. I see a year like last

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02:11:26,160 --> 02:11:28,560
Speaker 1: year for him, but no, not nineteen hundred receiving yards.

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02:11:28,720 --> 02:11:31,200
Speaker 1: I say false as well. It's very hard to duplicate

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02:11:31,320 --> 02:11:34,360
Speaker 1: seasons like the one Diggs had last year, So I

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02:11:34,440 --> 02:11:37,120
Speaker 1: think his numbers traveled down a little bit below what

2310
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Speaker 1: he was last year. So I say false as well.

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Speaker 1: That's NFL True Falls. Brought to you by Auntie's Fancy.

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Speaker 1: Maddie and I have close things up when we return

2313
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Speaker 1: with what we have learned from today's show. We'll see

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Speaker 1: in a second what have we learned from today's show?

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Speaker 1: Brought to you by Skyworks, the official construction equipment rental

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Speaker 1: company of the Buffalo Bills. In addition to learning that

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Speaker 1: Dion Dawkins is now off the COVID reserve list and

2318
02:12:15,480 --> 02:12:19,240
Speaker 1: cleared to begin practicing again, I know we don't anticipate

2319
02:12:19,320 --> 02:12:22,520
Speaker 1: he will be playing tomorrow night. We have also learned

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Speaker 1: that yet another team is not allowing their franchise quarterback

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Speaker 1: to play in preseason games. LA Chargers first year head

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Speaker 1: coach Brandon Staley is like, Nope, we're good. Justin Herbert

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Speaker 1: will see you in September Maddie, I think we're I

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Speaker 1: think we're going to climb the ladder here. I think

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Speaker 1: we might be higher than five or six teams that

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Speaker 1: don't play their starting quarterback at all in the preseason.

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Speaker 1: We might get up to like nine or ten teams

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Speaker 1: that go this route. Yeah, I'm totally buying that. I

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Speaker 1: think it's definitely more than five. People are going to

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Speaker 1: want to protect their quarterback, not let them be out there.

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Speaker 1: They don't want any injuries to start the season, anything happening.

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Speaker 1: A lot of teams know what they have in their

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Speaker 1: quarterback too, and a lot of teams also don't have

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Speaker 1: a head coach like Sean McDermot. That is true. We

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Speaker 1: have been told that tonight Cam Newton and Mac Jones

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Speaker 1: will play for New England in their preseason game, which

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Speaker 1: is on tonight, So we'll have to see how those

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Speaker 1: two guys look, how the competition fares, and how much

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Speaker 1: the offense changes between the two of them. As you

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Speaker 1: pointed out, they are two very very different quarterbacks, so

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Speaker 1: that'll be interesting to see. You got that game and

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Speaker 1: then the Eagles and the Steelers. Mattie, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for helping us out today and stepping in for

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Speaker 1: a traveling Steve Tasker. We appreciate it. Yeah, of course,

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Speaker 1: happy to be on the show. I know you guys

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Speaker 1: will have Steve back tomorrow, Yes we will. Steve will

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Speaker 1: be back tomorrow, live on location from Detroit. Taskers teammate

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Speaker 1: and former NFL offensive tackle and current Lions radio color

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Speaker 1: man Lomas Brown will join us on a jam Pack

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Speaker 1: Friday show. We'll see you tomorrow