1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on? Everybody? John Middlecock jury 2 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: announced podcast? How are we doing everybody over? Well? I 3 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: had a good weekend, followed a little football online and 4 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: I watched a little bit of the Hall of Fame ceremony. 5 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: Not not much actually, but I saw I saw DeMarcus 6 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: ware talk. It was good. Here's the plan. We will 7 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: do some football talk today, of course, some stuff on 8 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: the Ravens and Lamar they threw nine interceptions at practice 9 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,639 Speaker 1: on Saturday, McVeigh playing everybody now in the preseason, some 10 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: stuff on the Netflix Quarterback series struggling to land guys 11 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: for season two, and then just some of my thoughts 12 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: on a conference that was near and dear to me 13 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: growing up, the Pac twelve. It's now dead, So some 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: thoughts on conference re alignment. I think the schedule this week, 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: we'll just do a podcast for Monday, Tuesday. I'll probably 16 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: do one Wednesday and Thursday as well. Nothing on Friday 17 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: because I'm going to Tahoe this weekend and just I 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: don't know it. Probably the game plan will just be 19 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: four straight podcasts, a lot of football talk, a lot 20 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: of need to get away out of the heat, and 21 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: I'm just not sure on the internet connection, so it's 22 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: probably easier. Instead of doing Friday's podcast, we'll just do 23 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: it for Thursday, and we will do a mail bag 24 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure multiple days this week at John Middlecoff. At 25 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: John Middlecoff is the Instagram firing those dms need your 26 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: guys content. We'll definitely probably do a big mail bag 27 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: for Thursday's podcast. And then this weekend we got a 28 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: bunch of preseason games which I think I saw Sean 29 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: Payton said Russell Wilson will play, so I would imagine 30 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: preseasons always, you know, can be hit or missed, just 31 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: depends on who plays. 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Because anytime then an offense, 59 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: just like a business, makes a dramatic change or has 60 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: a change in the philosophy of what made them successful 61 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: and tries to go a different route. It's always not 62 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: only risky, it can be devastating and what made the 63 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: Ravens and Lamar Jackson when he's been on the field 64 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: a consistent power is the running game and a run 65 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: based offense. The problem is in twenty twenty three and 66 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: really the last over half decade, anytime that's kind of 67 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: your thing and you have a quote unquote star quarterback, 68 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: the media, the fans, the owner, the player always want 69 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: to do more with there are they want to throw, 70 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: even though your legs and the running game are what 71 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: is making you successful. I saw it years ago, ironically 72 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: with the same quarterback, with Colin Kaepernick. What made the 73 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: forty nine ers awesome under Harball and Greg Rowman was 74 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: on offense at least because defensively a lot like the Ravens, 75 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: they've been very good. They were very good, but it 76 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: was the threat of the quarterback running and a run 77 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: game that was very, very difficult to stop. And then 78 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: by twenty fourteen, after back to back conference championships and 79 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl berth, they wanted more and they tried 80 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: to spread it out and throw it a lot, and 81 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: it was a disaster. And I see a similar thing 82 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: happening here with the Ravens is that they pay the 83 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: quarterback a lot of money. A lot of people wonder 84 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: if that's a sustainable offense, which is a fair question. 85 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: Not necessarily in the regular season, but in the playoffs 86 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: it has stalled for them. You have to be able 87 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: to complete passes on third and eight in a tie 88 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: game in January. It's the only way you can win 89 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. But to get to a Super Bowl, 90 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: you have to win games in the regular season, and 91 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: typically you got to put up a lot of points. 92 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: And the reason the Ravens consistently did that when Lamar 93 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: was on the field was their run based offense, and 94 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: a lot had to do with him, who is arguably 95 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: the greatest running quarterback we've ever seen. I know, statistically 96 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: guys have more total yards or whatever, but you could 97 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: make the argument that with the ball in his hands, 98 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: he's the best running quarterback of all time. I would 99 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: hear other guys. I'm not saying for a fact that's 100 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: the case, but if you made that argument, I would 101 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: listen long and hard to you. But like it's happened 102 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: many times before, they went, well, you got to pass 103 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: the ball, we got to spread it out. On Saturday, 104 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,799 Speaker 1: the Ravens through nine interceptions in practice. Let me repeat 105 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: that nine interceptions in practice. I've been going to training 106 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: camps in the National Football League for well over a decade. 107 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: Picks happened, right, just like the game interceptions are going 108 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: to happen a couple nine. That's fucking outrageous. And the 109 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: tweet I saw from the reporter all capped the word 110 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: nine because if you've been going to practices in college 111 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: and definitely the pro, that is a lot of interceptions. 112 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: And Lamar counted for four. And here's the problem. I 113 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: think anytime a business who is successful gets away or 114 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: tries to do something different from what made them special, 115 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: it's not only always a big risk, it can have 116 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: devastating consequences. And I understand in theory like let's spread 117 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: it out, let's throw it all the time. Is that 118 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: the best use of your most important asset in Lamar Jackson, 119 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: I'm all for throwing it a little bit more, but 120 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: to me, getting away from the offense which started to 121 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: separate you, because never forget after that Super Bowl whatever 122 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen, they went through a very very rough 123 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: stretch for Joe Flacco, and then when they inserted Lamar 124 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: Jackson after they drafted him, and really for a couple 125 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: of years stretch. The reason they had a lot of 126 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: success is because their run offense became dominant. Now, the 127 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: year he won the MVP, I think he threw thirty 128 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,239 Speaker 1: five thirty six touchdowns. He's obviously proven much better passer 129 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: than most of us that I was not the biggest 130 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: fan coming out of college. He blew by my expectations. 131 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: But what truly separates him is his legs. And when 132 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: you try to spread it out and throw it all 133 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: the time, you were asking for potential, something not to 134 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: go well, and listen, I'm not acting like the Ravens 135 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: are gonna just stink, but I've had this red flag 136 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: since the moment they hired him, and the moment they 137 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: have been talking over and over and over about spreading 138 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: it out and passing it more. There's a reason in 139 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: and out doesn't sell tacos. They know what they do well. 140 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: They got about three items on the menu. Now, you 141 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: could make the argument to win the Super Bowl you 142 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: have to be able to throw it. Of course you do. 143 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to complete some third and lungs and 144 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: an offense that's predicated purely on the run game, which 145 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: I think the argument was it was way too dependent 146 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: on that, and he didn't get the reps throughout the 147 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: season of the passing situations. It became harder for them 148 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: in the playoffs. It's kind of why they stalled out 149 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: multiple times. But you got to get there, and in 150 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: a situation where the conference is really loaded and full 151 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: of a lot of really good deep teams, obviously really 152 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: good quarterbacks. If you take away his best assets asset, 153 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: which is his legs, and an offense which dominated on 154 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: the ground, and you start going closer to the middle 155 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: of the pack instead of the front of the pack, 156 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: and your passing game is just average, you're asking for 157 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: not being a playoff team. So when I see that 158 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: they threw nine interceptions and your starter at four, I 159 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: go I worried about this coming into camp. Now, ultimately, practice, 160 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: as Alan Iverson would say, practice, this is a time 161 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: to screw up. It's a time to learn, it's a 162 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: time to figure things out. It's actually the time to 163 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: throw interceptions right winning or losing you a game, especially 164 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: in early August. But it is a little reflective, like 165 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: they got a long long way to go now. If 166 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: you wanted to make the argument this was for two 167 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: three years down the road, I'd hear you. But we 168 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: know the NFL lives, you know, season by season, and 169 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: this is a situation now where there's a ton of pressure. 170 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: They're paying this guy all this money, and we just 171 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: know the way the league turns on you. We saw 172 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: it last year with Russell Wilson. It's like what made 173 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: Russell so special as a player because that let us 174 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: him making plays with his legs to throw, not even 175 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: to run quite like Lamar, but just keep plays a lot. Well, 176 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: what did Russell really want to do? He wanted to 177 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: throw it like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Just sit 178 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: in the pocket, Russell, that's not who you are, like Lamar. 179 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: And I know this is not maybe this is Lamar's 180 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: view too, but the Ravens you do not have Patrick Mahomes. 181 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: This is not Joe Burrow or Justin Herbert. That is 182 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: not this player. Do what he does well and then 183 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: build the passing game off that. If you're gonna get 184 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: into a position where you're throwing forty five times a game, 185 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna bet against you. I don't think you're gonna 186 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: maximize your potential. And it feels like they're force feeding this. 187 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: It feels like this is what they wanted from the 188 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: ownership down, and I think they're playing with fire. I 189 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: really do. I saw Jim Harbaugh and forced Greg Roman 190 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: to spread it out because of an organization philosophy and 191 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: crashed and burned. And this is making me nervous. This 192 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: is an organization that I tend to just give the 193 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: benefit of doubt to just feel like a playoff team. 194 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: But I don't know. Man. I got my spidery senses 195 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: up and I've had it since their comments in the springtime. 196 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: But when I see stuff like this, I got a 197 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: red flagged. I really do. Sean McVeigh, he was a 198 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: guy that really changed everything in the preseason. I know 199 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: Coward credits him with kind of ruining the preseason because 200 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: he had this veteran leaden team. He had star players, 201 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: and this happened even before Stafford got there, right Todd Gurley, 202 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: Cooper Cup, Robert Woods, Andrew Whitworth, Aaron Donald. They just 203 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: had a ton of big names that never played a 204 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: snap in the preseason. And you know what I agreed, 205 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: I was like, would have done the same thing. Totally 206 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: understand where he's coming from, Like makes complete sense. I 207 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't play those guys either. And I told Coward the 208 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: other day because I believe this to my core, I 209 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: think they got a chance to be fucking terrible. I 210 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: think they could really stink because their margin. Ferreerr with 211 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: like three players, he used to be like eight players. 212 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: Well now Jalen's gone, Whitworth long gone. I mean it's 213 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: three guys, Cup, Donald and Stafford. Well Cooper, Cup's already hurt. 214 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: Mcveigh's downplaying that. Matt Stafford we know at any minute 215 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: can have elbow shoulder problems. And Aaron Donald. I don't 216 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: care if you're lt in his prime, Reggie White and 217 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: his prime. If I put you on a team that's 218 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: not very good, you can't win me games. You can't. 219 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: You could have an incredible season seventeen sacks a sack 220 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: of game. We could still lose sixteen games. I mean, 221 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to go one in sixteen. 222 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: But I said this before and I'll say it again. 223 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: The year the Warriors lost Kevin Durant, Curry got hurt, 224 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: Clay was hurt. They won fifteen games and they almost 225 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: had the number one overall pick. I think this team 226 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: is circling the dream, and I think Sean McVay kind 227 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: of knows it. He was asked about his ideas, you know, 228 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: based on the past, what he plans on doing in 229 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: the preseason. Here was his quote. We're still kind of 230 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: working through that, but it will be very different than 231 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: the kind of what you guys have been accustomed to. 232 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: The guys that have been big contributors, that have played 233 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: a lot of snaps will still lean toward being smart 234 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: with them. But for the most part, there's going to 235 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: be a lot of guys who are playing in very 236 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: few guys who won't be you know why. They don't 237 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 1: have that many stars players anymore. There's only a couple 238 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: of them. The entire team, we don't know. We'll see. 239 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: That's usually what a bad team is. They have no clue. 240 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: And we know last year their team was a little better. 241 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: Jalen was on the steam last year. Now he had 242 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 1: a bad season, but Robert Woods, these guys are gone. 243 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: I mean Alan Robinson they traded away. They don't even 244 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: have that and I know he had a bad season, 245 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: but they don't even have the veteran players. They are 246 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: a Matt Stafford, missing six to seven games away from 247 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: winning three football games. Now, big picture might be the 248 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: best thing that happened to the franchise. Right, they got 249 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: their picks, they could draft a quarterback. That means they 250 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: would have other picks in other rounds. They could replenish 251 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: and kind of reset. But this is the guy that 252 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: burns hot and a lot like Gruden. It's hard to 253 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: go through even early on if you realize this team's 254 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: not going to be that good. This guy gets the 255 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: offs like four in the morning. This dude grinds. It's 256 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: all worth it when you're competing for super Bowls and 257 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: competeading to win divisions and competing to win playoff games, 258 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: which he did basically every season before last year. Right, 259 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: it makes you feel like you're working toward a goal. 260 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: I always struggled like I couldn't relate to the coaches. 261 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: It's like you're putting in like twenty hours a day. 262 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: You got a three win team, Like what if iucking 263 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: waste a time? You know, you guys all could be fired. 264 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: Now mcveigh's obviously they could not win a game. He's 265 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: not going to get fired, but he doesn't know how 266 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: to do it any other way. It's why the article 267 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: that came out about him a couple of years ago 268 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: retirement came up. It's like, you know, we're thinking about 269 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: starting a family. It's like, yeah, Sean, most coaches in 270 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: the NFL have kids, right, You're not going to be 271 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: the first guy coaching a football team with children. But 272 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: I think he knows himself. He burns hot. It's not 273 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: easy to go through this transition. Now. They set themselves 274 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: up for this. I have no problem with them selling 275 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: out over the years with all their picks to try 276 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: to win games, because it worked. I'm always foreign Baseball 277 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: selling prospects to get a star player. You want my 278 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: entire farm system for Otani, you want everything for Juan Soto, 279 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: Here you go. Because ninety nine percent of these guys 280 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: aren't going to be shit right. Just like draft picks, 281 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: it's always I can't believe he traded three ones for 282 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: this player. You have no clue who those ones are 283 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: going to be. For every JJ Watt and Aaron Donald, 284 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: there are a ton of Taco Charltons and Cleveland Furls. Right, 285 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: you are not guaranteed anything just because you have a 286 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: high pick. But I do think this is going to 287 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: be a good time for McVeigh. If he can handle 288 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: this season, take his foot off the gas a little bit, 289 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: just bought them out. And I think he's already kind 290 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: of telling you with his words, we don't know what 291 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: we got who already injured. This team has been really 292 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: shitty written all over it. The Quarterback Netflix series. Obviously 293 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: people involved with the volume are involved in that series. 294 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: Colin was a huge part of it. We advertise they 295 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: did advertising on this podcast. It was very, very well done. 296 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: They got the biggest star in the sport, who won 297 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: the MVP and won the Super Bowl, who had the injury. 298 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: It was fantastic television. They had easily one of the 299 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: most polarizing players of the last twenty years, and Cousins. 300 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: You could argue Mariota wasn't even needed. You could have 301 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: just gone off Cousins and Mahomes. But one thing is 302 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: pretty clear is this Netflix series who got picked up 303 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: there having a season two? No different than in Golf 304 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: Full Swing or in f one. Right, they have success. 305 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: It's cool insight. Right in golf, the Netflix series is 306 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: kind of important, right, these guys don't have teams and 307 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: brands where they don't really have to do it anything 308 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: and just get free marketing right, Like if you play 309 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, Dak Prescott doesn't even need to talk 310 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: and he's getting free marketing. Same with Mahomes, Like Mahomes 311 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: didn't need to do that to get the pub in 312 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: the fame right. Just being a really good player in 313 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 1: some of these individual sports it definitely helps, and it 314 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: definitely helps in golf in football. Like I heard Colin 315 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: weeks ago go on this rant, like Mahomes is, there's 316 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,239 Speaker 1: a lot of credit. He did not need to do this. 317 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: He's already super rich and was super accomplished. He only 318 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: had stuff to lose, and he still agreed to do it, 319 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: So a lot of respect. Cousins, I think probably knew, like, 320 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: let's show like I'm a pretty good guy. I'm working 321 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: my ass on. I think a lot of people will 322 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: like me and kind of get off my case. And honestly, 323 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: I would agree most people you talk to that have 324 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: watched that series will go I kind of like Cousins, 325 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: I think I'm going to root for him. I know 326 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: That's where I felt. And when you see this, I 327 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: saw a headline that Trevor Lawrence just turned down the 328 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: Netflix series, and I was thinking, like, is it really 329 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: that crazy? For him to turn it down. He's been 330 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: one of the most hype players ever played at Clemson 331 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: that had a million people paying attention to him, gets 332 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: drafted number one overall, now has his career kind of 333 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: rolling and is a good season away from signing a 334 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: two hundred million dollar contract. So from a financial standpoint, 335 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: doesn't need this at all. I saw a clip I 336 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: think it was last week of Peyton Manning and you 337 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: know in Green Bay they ride their bikes out to 338 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: training camp, right, So you ride your bike out to 339 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: training camp and it's cool. The fans are all lined 340 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: up there on the fence and Peyton Manning was walking 341 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: out to practice and he was signing autographs and I 342 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: saw the floor say, it was awesome en have Peyton there, 343 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: talk to the coaches, talk to the team. One thing 344 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: that like, if I had to have a theory on 345 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: that one, Peyton was there kind of recruiting Jordan Love, 346 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: and I'd make the argument to Netflix, I don't even 347 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: know if you need a superstar player, like you could 348 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: just get middle of the road, high brand guys. If 349 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: you got Jordan Love, Kenny Pickett and one other NFL 350 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: starting quarterback, let's even say Geno Smith. I think the 351 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: series will be fine because the brand of football, the 352 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: insight that you get automatically with the way that the 353 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: show is conducted, Like you get the coaches, you get 354 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: the other players, it's pretty entertaining. Like I don't think 355 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: it's going to be clearly very very difficult for them 356 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: to get famous, Like Russell Wilson ain't doing it right. 357 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert turned it down. A lot of these guys, 358 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts turned it down. They don't need it financially, 359 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: and with how popular and how just big the sport 360 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: is quarterbacks talk like multiple times a game, they don't 361 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: need it for the publicity. So I would go a 362 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: little off the beaten path, and to me, Jordan Love 363 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: would make all the sense in the world. Packer's huge 364 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: brand story incredible, right. If he's awesome, it's a fantastic story. 365 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: If he's shitty, it's fantastic. You really can't lose. So 366 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: that was my theory on why Peyton Manning was there 367 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: recruiting Jordan Love, and that's who I'd be going after 368 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: Okay Conference realignment last time, I guess I did a 369 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: podcast on Thursday. It wasn't by any means official that 370 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: the PAC twelve had lost Oregon and Washington, officially ending 371 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: the conference. But by Friday, by about lunchtime Pacific Standard time, 372 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: Oregon and Washington had decided to join the Big Ten, 373 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: joining USC and UCLA and Arizona State. Utah, Arizona and 374 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: Colorado already had but had officially joined the Big Twelve, 375 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: essentially ending the PAC twelve. Now, I want to preface 376 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: it by saying this, I never went to an NFL 377 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: game until I worked in the NFL. I grew up 378 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: in Davis that at the time UC Davis was a 379 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: Division two program. So the biggest football games I had 380 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: ever gone into my life until I started working in 381 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: football post college were games at the University of cal Berkeley. 382 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: My dad my grandpa had taught there forever. It was 383 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: about forty five minute drive. My dad was a season 384 00:20:54,480 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: ticket holder, and we used to go watch USC, Washington, Oregon, Ucla. 385 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: It was fucking awesome, Like it was my It was 386 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: my big time sport right being able to watch these guys, 387 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: some of them that would obviously from Tony Gonzalez. I 388 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: remember watching Keshawn Johnson. I love the PAC twelve. Born 389 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: and raised on the West Coast. Those were the teams 390 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: I watched in football and obviously basketball as well. We 391 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: had a good family friend, John Hoeford, who played for 392 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: UCLA with Jason Capono and some of their really good teams. 393 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: And I love the conference. I love everything it stood for. 394 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: I was definitely not smart enough to get into any 395 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: cow Ucla, Stanford, USC. We wouldn't have the money. I 396 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: probably wasn't mature enough. I got into schools like Oregon 397 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: and Arizona, but I didn't quite have the balls or 398 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: the foresight. If I could do it over again, I 399 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: probably would have taken a chance to kind of go 400 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: out of state. But I did not go to a 401 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: Pac twelve school. But I loved the conference up until 402 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: the end of it. And this is a pro business, 403 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: pro money show, so I completely understand why all this happens. 404 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: Football is now a television sport, and football, especially in 405 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: college athletics, is the sport that pays for everything. I 406 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: saw this coach at Missouri. I don't want to screw 407 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: up his name, Dershowitz or something go on this rant 408 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: about like what about the other student athletes, like the 409 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: baseball players and the gymnasts and the soccer. Nobody cares 410 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: about any of those sports when these moves happened. Why 411 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,719 Speaker 1: because none of those sports exist without the money that 412 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: football generates. And a huge reason the Pac twelve started 413 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: dying and getting lapped years ago because they hired this 414 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: guy named Larry Scott, some Ivy League tennis player who 415 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: had these grand visions of being the conference that really 416 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: put gymnastics in baseball and soccer on an equal playing 417 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 1: field of football and men's basketball. And it's not it 418 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: never will be. Those sports do not generate the same money. 419 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: They don't generate any money. They lose money. And the 420 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: Pac twelve network, which they tried to be very progressive 421 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: and just be able to be self sufficient. They didn't 422 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: need ESPN, they didn't need Fox, they didn't need anyone else. 423 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: They could handle it on their own. But they didn't 424 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: put football as priority number one. They put everything on 425 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: equal footing, and it was a disaster. It was actually 426 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: an embarrassment. And I'm not trying to diminish or downgrade 427 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: those other sports. My child is not going to play 428 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: D one Power five college football. That would be the 429 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: upset of the world. If he does play any college 430 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,719 Speaker 1: athletics he's much more likely to end up playing tennis 431 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: or golf, one of those Olympic sports that doesn't generate 432 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: any money. Right, So and listen, a lot of you listening. 433 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: If your child is that's awesome, But just know the 434 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 1: reason that shit exists is because of football. Some schools 435 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: men's basketball, but football at any big program is generating 436 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: seventy to eighty five percent of the revenue for the 437 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: entire athletic program. And the Pac twelve lost sight of 438 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: that as a conference, and a lot of these schools 439 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: academics means everything doing and that's their prerogative. That's fine, 440 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: But academics mean a lot to a lot of these 441 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: programs in the Big ten, a lot of these schools 442 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: in the SEC. But they never undervalued not just college athletics, 443 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: but the importance of the sport of football, because a 444 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: rising tide lifts all boats. And to me, the growth 445 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: and the separation of the SEC is directly correlated with 446 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: Nick Saban, Because was Nick Saban started dominating and kicking 447 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: everyone's ass and winning year after year, the amount of 448 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: money that Alabama started making, and then the amount of 449 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: money that the other teams in that conference started seeing 450 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: and the amount they already had the passion, then resources 451 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: they all started pumping into their football programs, and that 452 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: conference starts separating from the pack and they've never looked back. 453 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: They became universally cool in this country. I used to laugh, 454 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna watch Pack twelve games over the sea. 455 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: I watched way more SEC games now than random Pack 456 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: twelve games. Why it's a better product. They pay their 457 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: coaches and they get better players. Like it's just the 458 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: whole thing feels bigger. The Big ten, who I think 459 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: sometimes can be overvalued. I've never argued their vision on 460 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: how important football is. Now they've been carried mainly by 461 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: Ohio State that operates like an SEC program, and now 462 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: Harball and Michigan is rolling. And I think some of 463 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: these other programs realize the importance of trying to get 464 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: like that. But the moment you add USC with Lincoln 465 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: Riley and now Oregon, who cares a shitload about football, 466 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: it's going to help the conference immensely. Now, big pick 467 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: sure football where this whole thing is headed. And I 468 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: believe this to my core is an NFC AFC. So 469 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: you get let's say forty to fifty programs are all 470 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: playing under the same umbrella, and there only those programs 471 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: can go to the twelve team playoff. If you're not 472 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: part of that, you're not in the club. Maybe it's 473 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: a little more, maybe it's sixty, maybe it's seventy five. Right, 474 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: you add some of these big twelve teams, you add 475 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: some of these ACC teams. But you can see where 476 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: it's all going. Like, it's not going toward equality because 477 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: equality in sports doesn't work. That's not the way it's 478 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: ever worked. The top end in college football and college 479 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: basketball have always separated from the pack, and they always 480 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: will and when they're in these positions. Now, I had 481 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: someone with a i'd say, a program that's going to 482 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: compete for the national championship this year reach out to 483 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: me and he said, I hear you on your AFC 484 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: NFC idea. But one major difference is in the NFL, 485 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: all thirty two teams are under the same umbrella. So 486 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: at the end of the year, when they pay out 487 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: from the television deal, the Jacksonville Jags make the same 488 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: as the Cowboys and the forty nine ers. Right that 489 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: there is no difference than a six win Raider team 490 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: and a fourteen to fifteen win Eagles team. In terms 491 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: of the television revenue, they're all treated as equal partners. 492 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: We're in college football. You have some of these teams, 493 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: like in the SEC, make a different amount than the 494 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: Big ten teams now than the ACC teams. It's going 495 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: to still take a while for everyone to get on 496 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: the same footing. But I think what's inevitable now is 497 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: for these college football bohemis powerhouse and just revenue cash 498 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: cows to all buying together and work is one and 499 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: get under the same umbrella. Now, that might take a 500 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: little time, but that's where it's headed. And ultimately the 501 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: PAC twelve too many teams, too much poor leadership. It 502 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: wasn't They didn't see themselves like that. And when they 503 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: started to realize that that's where everything was going, it 504 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: was too late. You got to strike world of the 505 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 1: iron's hot. It's hard if you're a podcast just starting 506 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: a podcast now, good luck, it's going to be very, 507 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: very difficult. But if you saw it ten years ago, 508 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: seven years ago, you could get a jump on everybody. 509 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: And that's what a lot of these conferences did. It's 510 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: why I've seen a lot of people, you know, kind 511 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: of crush the new PAC twelve commissioner. The guy was 512 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: handed a shit sandwich and expected to make Filet mignon. 513 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't possible. There was nothing he could have done. 514 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: Like when people are like, I can't believe he handed 515 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: all the presidents a deal that was based on incentives. 516 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: He didn't have any other options. There were no television 517 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: partners lined up to give him a lot of money. Now, 518 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: when I saw the package that he offered him, the 519 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: Apple package based on subscriptions, I went, of course, Oregon 520 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: in Washington, We're never going to sign that. Those were 521 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: type deals I used to sign in the podcast business 522 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: eight years ago. It was like, hey, we'll pay on 523 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: how many subscriptions or how many people use the promo codes. 524 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, it's called flat rates. You want 525 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: it on this, This is what it costs, right. That's 526 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: how the SEC operates. That's how the Big ten operates. 527 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: Even though when I saw that they were going to 528 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: make way less than even the Big twelve, but with 529 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: a certain amount of subscriptions or people signing up, they 530 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: could have eventually got to like fifty million. Though the 531 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: PAC twelve to me does not have the following the 532 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: consistent passion to hit those numbers. If the SEC and 533 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: the Big Ten signed a contract like that with one 534 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: of the streamers, I think those programs could make one 535 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in school. Like to me, that's where 536 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: I saw might not be this deal, but that's where 537 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: ESPN's dying. I had a guy that's a big part 538 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: of a major program. Tell me one thing that makes 539 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: a lot of these programs in the ACC, like the Clemsons, 540 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 1: the Florida States, the Dukes, the North Carolinas about jumping 541 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: to the ACC is people don't think ESPN long term 542 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: has that much money. Like they've extended themselves so far. 543 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: They're holding on for dear life right now. Right, they're 544 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: leaking oil at a rapid rate where Fox and I've 545 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: seen a lot of people say this, and it's true. 546 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: They were a part of the destruction of the PAC twelve. 547 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: Of course they are. They want to develop something in 548 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: the Big ten at USC, at UCLA, now get Oregon 549 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: and Washington. They can take on the SEC in terms 550 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: of ratings, in terms of interest and make more money. 551 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: They're not paying as much and they can get the 552 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: ratings right because the Big ten has enormous fan bases 553 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: why their schools are huge. Go how many people go 554 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: to Ohio State Google how many people go to Wisconsin. 555 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: Schools are massive. When we have massive schools and you 556 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: have success in athletics, you get massive fan bases. Right. 557 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: The reason the Yankees and the Cowboys and the Dodgers 558 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: are such big rates eating straws, they have the most fans. 559 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: So it was sad inevitable the PAC twelve only as 560 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: Larry Scott to blame, the presidents to blame, never forget 561 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago in the high to COVID, 562 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: Pack twelve was like, we're not playing the Big Ten. 563 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: Same thing, like we're quitting. The SEC never flinched. They 564 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: were like UFC and Dana White, like fuck y'all were playing. 565 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: They were operating in the different world. Their fans never 566 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: thought twice about playing football. If it wouldn't have been 567 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: for Justin Fields and Ryan Day and Jim Harbaugh and 568 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: some of the dudes in the Big Ten, the power brokers, 569 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: the Big Ten, would not have played football in twenty twenty. 570 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: The only reason that PAC twelve played any football in 571 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty is because those people in the Big Ten 572 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: pushed it to happen like they just it doesn't matter 573 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: as much out here and overall cal like they don't 574 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: deserve to be a Power five program anymore. Not that 575 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: the coaches and the players don't care. No one in 576 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: that operation beside those individuals, gives a shit. Do you 577 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: know what they deserve to play? Like UC Davis and 578 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: cal Pauly. Stanford probably belongs in the IVY League now, 579 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: Washington State, Oregon State. A ton of respect for those programs. 580 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: I love watching them on TV. They should probably play 581 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: Fresno State, Boise State in San Diego State feels right. 582 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: Oregon and Washington belong with Ohio State and Michigan obviously 583 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: USC as well. The irony with USC is they have 584 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: been really really shitty and underachieved beside last year post 585 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, it's been a disaster. Yet their brand and 586 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: their importance a lot like Texas is very very important. 587 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: It's why Texas and Oklahoma ultimately went to the SEC. 588 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: Money you can't operate in this modern day. We're all 589 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: living in it. The inflation, the costs of everything, well, 590 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: the cost of travel. I heard this, like, what about 591 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: the cost of soccer? They don't care. It doesn't matter. 592 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: That's a line item to them. It doesn't matter. Man, 593 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: That's just the least of their worries. Anyone arguing about 594 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: any of the other sports besides football and men's basketball 595 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: is a waste of your breath. It's just an expense. 596 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: It already was. It just gets a little bit bigger, 597 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: but now they make a little bit more money. And 598 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: from a just a nostalgic point and just as a 599 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: fan of college sports, yeah it kind of sucks. It 600 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: does the difference this time around of like the moment, 601 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: Oklahoma and Texas and obviously USC and UCLA, we all 602 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: kind of became numb to it. Like this is it 603 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: was clear where everything was headed. Oregon and Washington had 604 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: to look out for themselves. So when I see some 605 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: of these like the president at Washington State Oregon State, 606 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: get mad, like yah, welcome to the way business works, mergers, acquisitions. 607 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: You're either growing you're dying. And the PAC twelve was 608 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: dying and it was dying rapidly. But Oregon has a program. 609 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: I remember Washington as a program was not dying. They 610 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: were growing and they outgrew the region. The importance and 611 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: the irony with Oregon is and I read an article 612 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 1: in The Athletic talking about it is they always skirted 613 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: this line very very well. Of like this small town 614 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: program who actually, for a long period of time, had 615 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: the same coaches on the staff forever, Like Mike Volotti 616 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: had the same coaches for like fifteen years. When he 617 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: kind of got ousted for Chip Kelly, Chip did not 618 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 1: bring in twenty five new guys. They kept the entire staff. 619 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: And when Chip left to the Eagles, Helfridge, who was 620 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: on that staff, got elevated, got elevated. They didn't really 621 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: start operating like one of these kind of crazy programs. 622 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: They were making a lot of money and having a 623 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: ton of success, but they kind of had this loyal 624 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: thing to them. They were kind of an outlier, like 625 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: USC was firing people left and right, and even they 626 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: were hanging on to the Pete Carroll days, but they 627 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: were constantly going through people new coaches all the time. 628 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: That was not the way Oregon was operating. They were 629 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 1: kind of like, in a weird way, this multi million 630 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: dollar powerhouse, mom and pop shop when it came to 631 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: the football program, and they kind of changed the moment 632 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 1: they fired Helfridge and they start hiring the Florida guys 633 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: in Willie and in Mario and obviously now Dan Lanning, 634 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 1: who feels a little more loyal than those guys. Right, 635 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: it feels like he's in it to win it now 636 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: for the long run, which makes sense. They just gave 637 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: him an extension. But all this stuff, it's like, you 638 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: gotta change and you got to adapt if you want 639 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: to survive. You know, whenever I see these media people complain, 640 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: it's like, stop living in the fucking past, man, Stop 641 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: looking in the rear view, look forward. Stop complaining like 642 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: no one wants to read as a writer. Well, then 643 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: create a YouTube channel, create a podcast. There are a 644 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: lot of avenues people are consuming stuff. Maybe they just 645 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: don't consume it like they did fifteen, twenty thirty years ago. 646 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: Things change. Originally, sports in like the fifties and sixties 647 00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: were enormous on radio. Then television happened, like things will 648 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: continue to adapt. Right. There are cars that literally drive 649 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: without a human being. If I would have told you 650 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: that like ten years ago, to be like what now, 651 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: people are in them left and right and all these 652 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 1: big cities. That's how Uber operates. It's only going to continue. 653 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: And conference realignment sucks because of what we thought about 654 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: in our youth. But you know, once upon a time, 655 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: Utah was a small whack program. Then they went to 656 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: the Mountain West and they went to the PAC twelve. 657 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: Now they're in the Big twelve. They'll eventually be in 658 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: one of the top two leagues when that because that's 659 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: that's where we're going. But no one can blame anyone 660 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: else beside Larry Scott and just the mindset of the conference. 661 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: They killed themselves. They really did as a whole. Right, 662 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: the ACC really cares about sports. It means a lot 663 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: to their programs. So same with academics. Right, you don't 664 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: think Duke's a good academic school. You don't think North 665 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: Carolina's a good academic school. Their programs care deeply about 666 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,439 Speaker 1: academic as well as athletics. Same with the Big Ten. 667 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: I even talked to a buddy about some of these 668 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: SEC schools. It's not as easy to get into as 669 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: some would think. I just don't think a lot of 670 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: these programs I know for a fact, with Cal really care. 671 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: They really don't like I see Arizona State. Since living here, 672 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: I always thought like, why isn't this program better? I 673 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: always thought the same thing about San Diego State, I 674 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: think the program kind of is what it is. They're 675 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: gonna be easily one of the worst programs in the 676 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 1: Big twelve when they get there, cause it's just like 677 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: this is kind of average. They just I think in 678 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: theory they care about sports, right, but they're just not 679 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: as good. They're baseball golf school, right, they kind of 680 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: belong probably in the Big twelve. They wouldn't belong in 681 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: like the Big Tanner the SEC right, Oklahoma Texas care deeply, 682 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're always going to be good. Hell, I 683 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 1: think just already too much hype on Sark and Texas. 684 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: I would bet them to win like eight nine games, max. 685 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: But no one can argue how much those two schools care. 686 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: Vena Bulls last year was a laughing It was a disaster, 687 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: the worst years in my thirty eight years of life 688 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: at that program. But no one ever argued, like, ah, 689 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: they just they kind of stopped caring. Wave the white flag. 690 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: That ain't their problem. I think sometimes out here it's 691 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: like they wave their white flag like whatever, We'll just 692 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: kind of be average. That is not the mindset of 693 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: these the big conferences now, And there's just I never understood. 694 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: I'll just end this. I'll end on this by not 695 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: putting football first. When you put football first, everyone else benefits. 696 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: The golf teams in the SEC fly private. That's not 697 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: because the golf teams make a lot of money. It's 698 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: because their football programs print money and they got to 699 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: spend it somewhere. Their soccer teams are better because of 700 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: their football programs. And I saw it first and foremost 701 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: for years under Larry Scott. It was just like, oh, 702 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: let's care about gymnastics, let's care about women's softball. No 703 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 1: one cares, not a soul. I saw everyone arguing talking 704 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 1: about Rappino and the women's soccer team on social media. 705 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm on so many group text messages talking about sports. 706 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: No one is even mentioned women's soccer. Like, ultimately, that's 707 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: a story that feels really big on social media that 708 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 1: no one actually gives a shit about. In reality, like 709 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,399 Speaker 1: no one cares that. They just don't. If you win championships, cool, 710 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: but if you're bad, no one's paying attention. And I 711 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 1: think that's kind of how the PAC twelve fell off 712 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: a cliff. The volume