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Speaker 1: On this episode of neut World. Within one hundred days,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to send the United States Congress a pathway

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Speaker 1: to citizenship for over eleven million undocumented people, and all

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Speaker 1: of those so called dreamers, those docket kids, They're going

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Speaker 1: to be immediately certified again to be able to stay

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Speaker 1: in this country. Biden also signed a florry of immigration

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Speaker 1: executive orders and his first few days in office, including

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Speaker 1: a one hundred day freeze on deportations, ending the Remain

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Speaker 1: in Mexico policy, repealing the travel ban affecting some Muslim

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Speaker 1: majority countries, reinstating DOCA protections, and halting border wall construction.

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Speaker 1: We have always presented ourselves as being a nation of

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Speaker 1: strength with strong arms that when people are fleeing harm,

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Speaker 1: we will embrace them. A new vision for the country,

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Speaker 1: a pro immigrant vision for America, and one that inheeds

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Speaker 1: putting the eleven million community members that we have that

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Speaker 1: currently are not yet citizens, putting want to pass a

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Speaker 1: c incident. HI, this is new due to the virus.

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Speaker 1: I'm recording from home, so you may notice a difference

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Speaker 1: in audio quality. How has border security changed under President?

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Speaker 1: But we've already seen a caravan of Honduran's heading north

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Speaker 1: towards the US border and a member from Acting Secretary

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Speaker 1: of Homeland Security David Plukovski. Day January twentieth, a one

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Speaker 1: hundred day deportation pause has been put into place, and

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Speaker 1: shortly after being sworn in, President Biden revoked former President

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Speaker 1: Trump's emergency Declaration, which helped fund the construction of the border.

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Speaker 1: Here to help us understand the changes being made to

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Speaker 1: US immigration policies and border prediction, his former Indiana Congressman

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Speaker 1: John Hasta, who currently oversees right on immigration as Vice

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Speaker 1: president of Federal Affairs at the Texas Public Policy Foundation. John, welcome,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me to talk about the impact

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Speaker 1: these changes will have, because it's I think much bigger

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Speaker 1: than anybody understands, and certainly much bigger than the news

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Speaker 1: media wants to cover. Would you let's start with the

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Speaker 1: caravan and Honduras, which I understand there's now a second

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Speaker 1: caravan being formed, and you you need to describe how

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Speaker 1: many people are we talking about and why are they

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Speaker 1: all simultaneously deciding to come to the US. Well, the

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Speaker 1: numbers vary on the Honduran caravan, you know, five thousand

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Speaker 1: breaking up. What we're hearing is that some are being

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Speaker 1: stopped and in some cases violently so, but the large

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Speaker 1: group is fracturing into smaller groups, and they're attempting to

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Speaker 1: make their way around the military and local law enforcement

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Speaker 1: obstacle that they have. So while there are some reports

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Speaker 1: that the caravan is slowing down, it's likely that many

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Speaker 1: of them will make their way here in smaller pieces

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Speaker 1: because they've essentially been told by the United States government,

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Speaker 1: by the Biden administration specifically that if they make it here,

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Speaker 1: then given the changes in policy with regard to asylum

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Speaker 1: claims a recent district court ruling with regard to expansion

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Speaker 1: of traditional qualifications to claim asylum, that there are all

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Speaker 1: types of ways that if they can make it here,

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Speaker 1: that they'll be able to stay here. And so that's

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Speaker 1: what's motivating them to come. Is not just one thing

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Speaker 1: that the Biden administration has done in the first week,

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Speaker 1: but actually several of them with regard to memos and

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Speaker 1: to come. Do you think dibiding people with any idea

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Speaker 1: of the scale of response they're going to get from

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Speaker 1: people around the world where they began to explain it

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Speaker 1: essentially an open borders policy. Well, that's a great question,

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Speaker 1: because I believe they do. They're trying their best to

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Speaker 1: limit the situation. For example, if you read the DHS

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Speaker 1: statement on the suspension of new enrollments in the Migrant

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Speaker 1: Protection Protocols Program, otherwise known as the Remain in Mexico policy,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting that they say that no more enrollments, meaning

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Speaker 1: individuals who come here from a country other than Mexico

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Speaker 1: the agreement previously made by the Trump administration. So they

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Speaker 1: made that announcement, but at the end of the announcement,

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Speaker 1: in noting that the Bide administration has sent over proposed

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Speaker 1: legislation to Congress on comprehensive immigration reform, they said this

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Speaker 1: at the end of their quote, Please note, individuals outside

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Speaker 1: of the United States will not be eligible for legal

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Speaker 1: The legalization provision in that bill apply only to people

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Speaker 1: answer your question, yes, they do know that this is

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Speaker 1: not going to be. Yeah, as they said, nothing in

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Speaker 1: our history would indicate the once people believe you're going

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Speaker 1: you know, Biden, And it is one hundred day deportation

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Speaker 1: assume it was very high value to them to move

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Speaker 1: so quickly, and he said, quote, I'm directing an immediate

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Speaker 1: pause and removals of any non citizen with a final

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Speaker 1: order of removal except as not a blow for one

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Speaker 1: and know later than January twenty second. Now what did

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Speaker 1: that mean. What's the practical effect of a one hundred

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Speaker 1: day pause. Well, it's one more message to folks, especially

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Speaker 1: the next one hundred days, you will not be deported.

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Speaker 1: And you combine that with the termination of the Remain

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Speaker 1: District Court judge's effective expansion of qualification under our asylum laws,

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Speaker 1: then there are so many means. And this gets communicated

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Speaker 1: through the smuggling networks. The coyotes, the human traffickers, you know,

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Speaker 1: new administration probably better than any of it. It's their livelihood,

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Speaker 1: it's the only thing they do. And we know as

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Speaker 1: as much money as the drug smuggling. So all of

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Speaker 1: these things are being taken note of by the human smugglers,

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Speaker 1: and there's going to be and it's very sophisticated, and

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Speaker 1: there's going to be a program whereby get to the

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Speaker 1: And Texas is running into this in that with no deportations,

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Speaker 1: in Texas have an agreement with ICE two eighty seven

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Speaker 1: an entire industry of getting people into the United States,

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Speaker 1: and you have relatively smart, entrepreneurial criminals who get up

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Speaker 1: they create an entire pressure in favor of illegal immigration

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Speaker 1: I interviewed about two years ago somebody who's based in

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Speaker 1: so sophisticated. The several of the major drug cartels had

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Speaker 1: actually switched out of drugs into people, and that you

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Speaker 1: of the cartel would drop by and say, you know,

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Speaker 1: as the food been okay, do you feel like we're

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Speaker 1: treating you pretty good? Would you be willing to tell

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Speaker 1: was just incredible the infrastructure that has grown up around

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Speaker 1: that they aren't. It's just a poorly kept secret that

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Speaker 1: this is happening. Early last year, as the apprehensions on

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Speaker 1: Security Coalition. Now I got twenty six members, several individuals,

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Speaker 1: we've had significant interest in joining by folks who are

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Speaker 1: growth in human trafficking, which is somewhat of a subset

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Speaker 1: And so yes, whether it's getting individuals here or jobs,

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Speaker 1: of the lax approach to immigration and border security that

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Speaker 1: But when you try to smuggle people and you just

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Speaker 1: tell the people to make a claim for an asylum,

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Speaker 1: That's when the process will start wanting to get into

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Speaker 1: paid the cartel to get you here. The whole system

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Speaker 1: and a fair doesn't stop at the border, but the

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Speaker 1: major American city, right it certainly does. Unfortunately, The other

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Speaker 1: suspend deportation for one hundred days is that we deport

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Speaker 1: about fifteen thousand people who either have criminal records or

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Speaker 1: Biden changing. Does that fit your general understanding? Yes, And

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Speaker 1: once again the question is where do these people stay?

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Speaker 1: And given recent decisions by the federal judiciary, can these

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