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Speaker 3: Good morning, and welcome to Breaking Points. I am in

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Speaker 3: the studio here alone today. Crystal got caught up at

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Speaker 3: a National Guard checkpoint, did not have her paperwork in order.

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Speaker 3: She's joining us though from an undisclosed location underground.

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Speaker 2: Crystal luckily not Alligator Alcatraz, at least not yet. So

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Speaker 2: in any case, we are going to cover the Trump

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Speaker 2: DC takeover.

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Speaker 4: We got a lot to get to you in the

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Speaker 4: show today.

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Speaker 2: Actually, we were able to book a council member, a

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Speaker 2: perspective on what is going on in the nation's capital.

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Speaker 2: We've also got a really pretty extraordinary interview with Ambassador

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Speaker 2: Mike Kakabie Piers Morgan pressing him on starvation and on

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Speaker 2: the murder of five Al Jazeera journalists, so definitely want

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Speaker 2: to break that down for you, along with other developments

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Speaker 2: in Israel and Gaza. We've got a bunch of economic news.

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Speaker 2: The China tariffs have been paused, and Trump made a

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Speaker 2: pretty interesting deal. I'm actually very curious to get Ryan's

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Speaker 2: take on this deal that he made with Nvidia, where

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Speaker 2: basically they've got to kick back fifteen percent of their

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Speaker 2: also have some updates on Andrew Cuomo crashing out hard

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Speaker 2: in his race with Zoran and offering a really nonsensical

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Speaker 2: and terrible law in order to try to spite.

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Speaker 4: Or shame Zoran, and I regret to and form everybody.

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Speaker 2: We are going to take on the dildos at WNBA

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Speaker 2: Games controversy, along with some other gender related developments.

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Speaker 4: You definitely want to stick around for that.

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Speaker 3: Ryan, and you made a point discussing the formation of

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Speaker 3: the show yesterday that Republicans have made defense of the

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Speaker 3: integrity of women's sports central to their entire kind of

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Speaker 3: reason to be Yeah, and this is.

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Speaker 5: Probably not what people thought they meant by that, yet

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Speaker 5: here we are.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as you pointed out, I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: how many people really took seriously their undying devotion to

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Speaker 4: Been exhibited in the past. But there's that to get to.

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Speaker 2: And Pete Hegseth also elevating his pastor who doesn't think

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Speaker 2: women should vote. So there's a lot going on there

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Speaker 2: with regard to the lady kind that I have thoughts on,

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Speaker 2: and I suspect Ryan does as well. But let's go

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Speaker 2: and take a listen to a little bit of what

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Speaker 7: I'm announcing a historic action to rescue our nation's capital

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Speaker 7: from crime, bloodshed, bedlam, and squalor and worse. This is

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Speaker 7: liberation Day in DC, and we're going to take our

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Speaker 8: We're taking it.

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Speaker 7: Back under the authorities vested in me as the President

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Speaker 7: of the United States. I'm officially invoking Section seventy forty

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Speaker 9: Let me be crystal clear, crime and see is ending

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Speaker 9: and ending today. We are going to use every power

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Speaker 9: we have to fight criminals here. President, thank you for

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Speaker 2: So let's go and put a four up on the

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Speaker 4: Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and tomorrow we'll have both of our resident right

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Speaker 3: a significant uptick in crime. Any crime is too much

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Speaker 3: if you're if you're if you're the victim of it

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Speaker 5: Much for you. So there is that.

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Speaker 3: We can acknowledge that, But at the same time we

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Speaker 3: I've seen them compared to Havana and et cetera, which

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Speaker 3: is odd. It's like you really like, Okay, yes, there's

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Speaker 3: not much interesting Havana, but that's really like, that's the

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Speaker 5: But I think.

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Speaker 3: You've been in this area your entire life. I moved

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Speaker 5: And do we have the big Balls clip here?

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Speaker 3: Big Balls was you know, stopped attempted to stop a

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Speaker 3: and was beaten pretty severely. And the police, interestingly though,

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Speaker 3: there were like eight police officers very you know nearby

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Speaker 5: But at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Twenty years ago, when I moved here, I moved close

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember that area.

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Speaker 2: Even when I moved to DC, let's see early two thousands,

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Speaker 3: It was definitely transitional, right, So so that kind of

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Speaker 3: shows how much progress the city has made. That now

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Speaker 3: when there's if there was crime twenty years ago on

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Speaker 5: That's what happens now. It's shocking.

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Speaker 3: So that that just I think, to me demonstrates like

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Speaker 3: don't quite see how bringing in the FEDS helps that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well that's one of the things that's

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Speaker 2: even though there was much more tenuous legal grounds in

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Speaker 2: this section seven forty. Now, granted, it's supposed to be

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Speaker 2: he does have more legal standing here. Nevertheless, in his

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Speaker 4: So let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 7: We're not going to lose our cities over this, and

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Speaker 7: His family threw him out of the business and he

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Speaker 8: You know, you never know what happens.

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Speaker 7: But Pritsker is a gross incompetent guy, thrown out of

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Speaker 8: Their homes were incinerated.

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Speaker 4: So you have plenty of.

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Speaker 2: That this is another like attempted distraction from the Epstein

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we have really no idea what the what

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Speaker 3: don't know where it's going to add. My neighbor was

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Speaker 3: and it's an open question, like what is going on?

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Speaker 3: Like what is a DA allowed to do? What is

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Speaker 3: Like who else is like involved here. What are they doing?

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Speaker 5: Are they.

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Speaker 3: Where are they taking the people that they're arresting? And

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Speaker 5: And none of that.

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Speaker 3: It all feels like you said, I think he's wanted

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Speaker 5: It's like, just yeah, let's do this, Let's create this mess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to use the right stag fire that's

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Speaker 2: and again that he's already done in LA. I do

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Speaker 3: Joining us now is Ward four council member Deanie Lewis

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Speaker 5: Thanks so much for joining.

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Speaker 10: Us morning, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I want to play a little bit

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Speaker 3: of Muriel Bowser, the mayor of Watching the DC who

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Speaker 3: now represent responding to Trump's press conference, if we can

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Speaker 6: We know, however, most have heard from the President's press

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Speaker 6: conference that he has prerogatives in DC unlike anywhere else

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Speaker 6: let me be clear, as our Home Rule Charter is

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Speaker 6: also clear, and the President's executive Order restates Chief Pamela

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Speaker 6: Smith is the chief of the Metropolitan Police Department and

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Speaker 6: it's thirty one hundred members work under her direction. The

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Speaker 4: That decor claration.

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Speaker 6: In fact, the Chief has already provided a high level

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Speaker 6: that the President has delegated his authority to make requests

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Speaker 6: of US to Attorney General Pam BONDI. I have reached

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Speaker 3: To set some context for viewers. You know, you were

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Speaker 5: Mayor.

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Speaker 3: Bowser is known as much closer to business here in Washington,

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Speaker 3: d C. So you know, I know you have your

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Speaker 11: You know, I think she has the cautionary approach in

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Speaker 10: I think.

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Speaker 11: In some instances people could say, you know, say you know,

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Speaker 11: that's what we have to do because we're under.

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Speaker 10: Home rule and we're in a vulnerable position.

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Speaker 11: And I do think we are in a vulnerable position

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Speaker 11: But I think the mayor should be a little bit

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Speaker 11: Like you know, yesterday you heard mayors from all across

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Speaker 2: At this point, it doesn't appear that there is going

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Speaker 11: Yeah, So one of the biggest outstanding questions is sort

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Speaker 11: And I've asked the Attorney general and the Attorney General

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Speaker 11: let's find a way forward. You know, let's have conversations,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and people can make up their own minds, but

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: we have to pull our legal levers where we can.

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Speaker 11: I think it's so important for us to you know,

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Speaker 11: we've seen jurisdictions who are facing the same amount of

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Speaker 11: attack on their local autonomy, you know, going to the

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Speaker 11: courts and trying to get injunctions and fighting on the

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Speaker 11: legal level to be able to do that work. In

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Speaker 11: addition to that, let's be honest, the real threat fear

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Speaker 11: here is that we would lose Home Rule, which gives

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Speaker 11: us this ability to have autonomy. In order to overturn

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Speaker 11: Home Rule, this would require a majority vote in both

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Speaker 11: the House and the Senate, followed by presidential approval, and

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Speaker 11: even with the majority in the House, a repeal in

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Speaker 11: the Senate would likely face a filibuster, which will require

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Speaker 11: at least sixty votes to proceed. So another thing we

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Speaker 11: need to be doing is really getting going to Congress,

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Speaker 11: getting our allies on Democratic senators, the House of Democratic

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Speaker 11: House of Representatives.

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Speaker 10: You know, we talked yesterday.

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Speaker 11: We said, you know, we need to be going to

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Speaker 11: the Congressional Black Caucus within the within Congress asking for

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Speaker 11: this support, and many of them are calling us, how

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Speaker 11: can we support and so you know, we need to

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Speaker 11: be doing those things. Eleanor Holmes Norton, who is our

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Speaker 11: delegate and warrior on the Hill representative, has put forward

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Speaker 11: legislation to give DC it's full autonomy. We should be

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Speaker 11: trying to get those type of things done as quickly

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Speaker 11: as possible. You know, when we're up against what we're

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Speaker 11: up against in this country. You know the idea that

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Speaker 11: you know, conforming is going to create a space where

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Speaker 11: we're not going to continue to have to give and

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Speaker 11: give and give.

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Speaker 10: You know, it's just not based in reality.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can ask Columbia University how that's gone for

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Speaker 2: them when they you know, bent over backwards to try

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Speaker 2: to capitulate and it didn't matter. They still had to

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Speaker 2: pay the bribes administration. They've had the bed least studies

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Speaker 2: department taken over, and you know, there's there's no there's

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Speaker 2: nothing to be gained from capitulating to this individual. I

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Speaker 2: think that lesson should have been learned pretty well at

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Speaker 2: this point. As curious your perspective and what you're hearing

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Speaker 2: from constituents about their concerns about what this is going

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Speaker 2: to mean for their lives and also just what have

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Speaker 2: you heard? I mean, how is the National Guard going

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Speaker 2: to be used? We know that agents have been pulled

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Speaker 2: up from various agencies, DEA, FBI, Secret Service, How are

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Speaker 2: they going to be deployed? We were raising questions earlier

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Speaker 2: about what are the rules of engagement here? You know,

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Speaker 2: do you have any understanding of what this is actually

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Speaker 2: going to look like.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, in our call meeting yesterday amongst the mayor and

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Speaker 11: the council and the ag what our understanding was is that,

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Speaker 11: you know, they are going to sort.

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Speaker 10: Of just be a presence.

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Speaker 11: Really, they don't have any sort of the goal is

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Speaker 11: to just be a presence across the city in different locations.

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Speaker 10: I don't know how real that is.

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Speaker 11: I will say I had a constituent reach out to

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Speaker 11: me because the Rock Creek Park, which is National Park

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Speaker 11: Service land, is in my ward, and her and her

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Speaker 11: son were on a run and they were sort of

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Speaker 11: stopped and told they couldn't, you know, sort of run

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Speaker 11: in a certain section, and you know, they just, you know,

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Speaker 11: they really wanted to know, Council member, you know, what

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Speaker 11: do we do in these circumstances. You know, there's a

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Speaker 11: vast amount of National Park Service land, which is federal

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Speaker 11: land that is a part of you know Ward War particularly,

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Speaker 11: but across the city in general. And the reality is

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Speaker 11: what I've been saying to residents is when you're on

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Speaker 11: National park land, when you're on federal land, they do

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Speaker 11: have you know, additional powers there I you know, recommended

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Speaker 11: people stay off sort of National Park Service land or

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Speaker 11: you know, make sure while you're there, you're there with

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Speaker 11: others and numbers. And you also remember, you know, you

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Speaker 11: have your constitutional rights, be very clear about that.

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Speaker 10: Make sure you have your.

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Speaker 11: Identification on you, make sure you let people know where

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Speaker 11: you are, because the reality is, with so many different

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Speaker 11: long entities on the ground in the District of Columbia,

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Speaker 11: it's really going to be hard. It's really hard for

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Speaker 11: us to sort of determine who's doing what and where.

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Speaker 11: And we've also been asking constituents to report to us

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Speaker 11: where they're seeing national law enforcement so that we can,

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Speaker 11: you know, try to make sure people can go to

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Speaker 11: that area and at least observe what is happening between

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Speaker 11: constituents and federal law enforcement.

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Speaker 3: And let me ask you about this billion dollars, DC's

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Speaker 3: missing billion dollars. You can put up a seven here.

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Speaker 3: It's tweet from my old colleague Sam Stein. Is one

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Speaker 3: way we could make DC safer and cleaner without using

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Speaker 3: the National Guard would be to restore the one billion

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Speaker 3: dollars and cuts to the city budget that was passed

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Speaker 3: into law with Trump's signature which Trump and Republicans were

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Speaker 3: supposed to reverse but never got around to. So this

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Speaker 3: was something they slipped into the budget or slipped into

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Speaker 3: the spending bill, stripped a billion dollars from DC's budget,

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Speaker 3: said that, oh, we'll fix that next time. Just trust us,

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Speaker 3: don't worry. Haven't what's the status of that billion dollars

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Speaker 3: and talk about the portion of the budget that that

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Speaker 3: makes up, Like how important to the city is this

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Speaker 3: amount of money. Like to the federal government a billion dollars,

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Speaker 3: you know they can lose that easily.

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Speaker 5: But to the city, what's it mean?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: For us, Remember you know, our largest parts of pots

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Speaker 11: of money health, right, public safety, education, and human services.

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Speaker 11: And so when you have big cuts like this, it

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Speaker 11: means those are the four sections of our city budget

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Speaker 11: that have to take a hit. And this is not

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Speaker 11: the time where education can take a hit. Where public safety,

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Speaker 11: which you know as all the talks about wanting to

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Speaker 11: make sure the district is safe and this being about safety.

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Speaker 11: But you cut, you know, a billion dollars from our budget.

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Speaker 3: And where is the city's whole budget if you count

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Speaker 3: all for those buckets plus.

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Speaker 11: We have about a nineteen billion dollar twenty billion dollar

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Speaker 11: budget given the year, but maintain about a nineteen billion dollar.

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Speaker 3: Budget, So billion dollars, that's u that's cutting into bone there.

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Speaker 5: So what gets hit? What gets hit if that billion

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Speaker 5: dollars does not get right?

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Speaker 11: What gets what gets hit are the because it's such

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Speaker 11: a we have such a large parts of money. Public

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Speaker 11: safety takes a hit because that's one of our largest

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Speaker 11: budget expenditures.

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Speaker 10: Our education takes a hit.

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Speaker 11: And remember many of our schools are on quarterly payments,

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Speaker 11: especially our public charter schools, and so the inability for

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Speaker 11: us to be able to give the you know, actually

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Speaker 11: expend those funds, you know, was a real hit to

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Speaker 11: sort of our education nexus human services. The same people

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Speaker 11: they're saying they want to support our unhoused residents, which

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Speaker 11: have been i must say, is under attacked and being

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Speaker 11: scapegoaded in this moment in such a disgusting manner our

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Speaker 11: unhoused residents. A human services budget is the budget that

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Speaker 11: takes the cut when we lose a billion dollars, and

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Speaker 11: that's our ability to put unhoused residents into shelter, into care.

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Speaker 11: And so you know, that's what makes this sort of

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Speaker 11: just so hypocritical, because to say you want safety, and

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Speaker 11: you want to make sure we don't have homeless individuals

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Speaker 11: on the street, which in and of itself is sort

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Speaker 11: of outrageous to say, and to dehumanize humans in that way.

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Speaker 11: It's so hypocritical because you're cutting the same budgets that

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Speaker 11: support public safety, human services, and those things that you

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Speaker 11: say we need to clean up and fix as a city.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that billion dollars, I'm sure could do a lot

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Speaker 2: more than some National guardsmen wandering around and federal agents

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Speaker 2: harassing people trying to jog in Rock Creek Park. Council member,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate

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Speaker 2: you taking the time, and we really appreciate your perspective.

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Speaker 5: If you have a second, I did have one more question.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely, Oh sorry, go ahead, Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Wanted to get your defense of what I think is

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Speaker 3: the best criticism of the city. And you were elected

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, is that right. So during the pandemic,

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Speaker 3: DC had one of the most severe crack lockdowns. And

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Speaker 3: if you were in scho Let's say you're a fourth

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Speaker 3: grader in March when they when they shut down the schools,

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Speaker 3: you basically didn't come back into school until you were

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Speaker 3: a sixth grader, and you know they had this like

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Speaker 3: a year later in the spring, they brought kids back

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Speaker 3: for like two hours a week and Tuesdays and Thursdays

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Speaker 3: or something. But then they really don't start bringing kids

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Speaker 3: back till the year after that, and then you know

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Speaker 3: they're they're they're like doing lunch out and freezing cold,

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Speaker 3: and it was like it was a little bananas and

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Speaker 3: kids being out of school from let's say, going from

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Speaker 3: ten to twelve. They came back and you talk to

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Speaker 3: the teachers, you talk to the cops, they're like you

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Speaker 3: saw adults when they were when adults were coming out

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Speaker 3: of the lockdown, Like it took them a while to

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Speaker 3: like figure out how to engage in like society again.

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Speaker 5: But for a kid who went from.

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Speaker 3: Ten to twelve or twelve to fourteen, felt like an

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Speaker 3: entire loss generation. Those twelve year olds are now seventeen,

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Speaker 3: and you're they're the ones you're seeing out there, not

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Speaker 3: all of them, obviously, but you know they went through

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Speaker 3: this experience which was in some wat some what are

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Speaker 3: you unnecessarily foisted on them? Yes, there was a pandemic,

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Speaker 3: but there was an overreaction to it. What's your response

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Speaker 3: in hindsight, I guess to to that criticism.

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Speaker 11: You know, I think we were just in unprecedented times

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Speaker 11: and we were really trying to do what was best

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Speaker 11: for the safety of students and the safety of our educators.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 11: And I think we did what we felt was best

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Speaker 11: and what we were given guidance was the best thing

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Speaker 11: to do at that time. And uh, you know, I

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Speaker 11: don't think there anyone could say it was the right

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Speaker 11: way or wrong way to do it, because of the

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Speaker 11: fact that it was just such an unprecedented moment in

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Speaker 11: our country and in our city.

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Speaker 3: Do you agree with the link that people make, not

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Speaker 3: that I'm making there, that that that that time away

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Speaker 3: for those kids at that vulnerable age had something to

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Speaker 3: do with this the spike in crime.

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Speaker 10: I I I would disagree. I don't.

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Speaker 11: I don't, I would disagree. You know, I think our

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Speaker 11: young people went through a lot and they needed to

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Speaker 11: process that, and we have no idea as adults what

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Speaker 11: it was like for them as students. You know, we

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Speaker 11: obviously needed to have more mental health supports for our

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Speaker 11: students in returning, and that's a whole other conversation about

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Speaker 11: the shortage of supports that we have in our schools

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Speaker 11: do the due to the pipeline issue we have. But

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Speaker 11: I think you know, I wouldn't correlate that to sort

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Speaker 11: of the uptick we saw in our young people acting

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Speaker 11: out in that regard.

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Speaker 10: I wouldn't make that correlation.

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Speaker 3: Well, council members, I really appreciate, really appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 3: And you know we'll be following this story pretty closely,

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Speaker 3: so you know, I hope you can come back sometime soon.

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Speaker 10: Thank you, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Here's we are going to host it a pretty extraordinary

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Speaker 2: I would say, interview with our ambassador to Israel, the

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Speaker 2: one and only my Huckabee, and we have a couple

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Speaker 2: clips here we wanted to share with you, starting with

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Speaker 2: Peers asking him about the number of people who are

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Speaker 2: being starved to death by Israel inside of the Gaza

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Speaker 2: strip right now, Let's go ahead and take a listen

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Speaker 2: to Huckabe's response.

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Speaker 12: Why does Hamas hate GHF. One of the things they

662
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Speaker 12: demanded in one of the negotiations just two and a

663
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Speaker 12: half weeks ago was that GHF had to be shut down.

664
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Speaker 12: Why would Hamas want to shut it down?

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you why.

666
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Speaker 12: Because GHF method of getting food has really hurt their

667
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 12: capacity to control the food market, and it's costing them money.

668
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Speaker 12: Otherwise they would say, sure, couldn't bring the food, And

669
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Speaker 12: all we care about is people getting to eat. They

670
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 12: don't care about people getting to eat. They care that

671
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Speaker 12: they eat. And if you look at the people from

672
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Speaker 12: Hamas when they get photographed, they're well fed.

673
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Speaker 5: None of them are hungry.

674
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Speaker 12: Gus guarantee. You look at their faces, look at their bodies,

675
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 12: and instead of food, they could use some ozampic.

676
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Speaker 4: So there is a lot to say about that.

677
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Speaker 2: Ryan, I mean, at this point, denying that there is

678
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Speaker 2: starvation in Gaza, it just is in such a defiance

679
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: of the clear reality there were more kids who starved

680
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: to death literally yesterday. Israeli military officials, not to mention,

681
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: the UN and other aid organizations have said there was

682
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 2: no significant looting of aid by Hamas.

683
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Speaker 4: This is just a lie.

684
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Speaker 2: And in fact, the reason why the UN and other

685
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: agencies and Hamas or whoever don't like GHF is because

686
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 2: it is the weaponization of AID and Palestinians are getting

687
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 2: massacred at GHF sites practically every single day when there

688
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: is a distribution. Not to mention, being forced to traverse

689
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: through active war zones in order even to get to

690
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 2: those few distribution sites for their poultry, lentils, and you know,

691
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: rice or flour or whatever. The meager provisions that are

692
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: being provided, as Anthony Aguilar explained to us, not even

693
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: water because that would be too expensive. So all of

694
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Speaker 2: these food goods that require water but no actual water.

695
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a pretty easy one. If you're on

696
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 3: the side of defending GHF, then then you're the bad

697
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 3: guys in this situation. Like there's there's no question about it.

698
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: Boston Consulting Group just for two of its partners pitching

699
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 3: business and getting involved in the early stages of GHF.

700
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 3: There two of those two partners were fired. The BCG

701
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 3: is now facing an existential crisis with clients leaving, with staff,

702
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: leaving UH with their with their reputation in in you know,

703
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: completely tarnished simply for being connected to this GHF.

704
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 5: And this is months ago.

705
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: To have to this day the ambassador defending it and

706
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: saying that it's preposterous that that Hamas would oppose this

707
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 3: as part of a deal is utterly outrageous. Almost every

708
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: single day there are massacres at these aid sites. If

709
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 3: you remember a deal Khalil, who's a doctor from Dallas

710
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: who's been on this program. He's now back in Gaza

711
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: for his third mission, and he texted me when he

712
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 3: first got there and he said that a doctor told him,

713
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 3: you know, briefing him for his upcoming shift. He's like,

714
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 3: if there's an AID, if AID distribution is open while

715
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: you're on your shift, that is very bad luck for you.

716
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 3: But if there's no AID distribution while you're on then

717
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 3: you're going to have an ok You're going to have

718
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 3: an okay shift.

719
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Speaker 5: So bear that in mind.

720
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Speaker 3: Like that, that is how the hospitals understand this, that

721
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 3: when the AID sites open, the bodies are coming.

722
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Speaker 2: In ahead even sicker that I just I was listening

723
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: to THEO Vaughan to his great credit, and I'm extremely

724
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: grateful to him for this. Had on a doctor, American

725
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: doctor just returned from Gaza and he said, you know,

726
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 2: in Islam, it is forbidden to take your own life,

727
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: to commit suicide, and he heard of people who would say,

728
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: you know, if my wife, if my family are killed,

729
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to one of the GHF sites basically in

730
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: hopes that they will take me out, like suicide by

731
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: GHF site. AID quote unquote AID massacre. That's how dark

732
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: it is. And he also attested, as numerous doctors have

733
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: at this point, he worked at NASA Hospital as well,

734
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: which is the primary hospital where these AID massacre victims

735
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: would be brought. He said, you know, when there was

736
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: an AID distribution, you would have roughly three hundred people

737
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: come in wounded with various wounds, and you know plenty more.

738
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 4: Who were killed.

739
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 2: So that is that's what our ambassador Mike Huckabee, great Christian,

740
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: is defending.

741
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Speaker 4: Here.

742
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Speaker 2: We also have a clip year of him being asked

743
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: by Peers Morgan to comment on the assassination of five

744
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 2: Al Jazeera journalists. Again, we covered this extensively yesterday. Israel

745
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: is not denying that they targeted and assassinated these five journalists,

746
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: including among them on Us Al Sharif. But they oh,

747
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 2: but they were you know, there were homas, so it

748
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: was fine for us to execute them. Let's go ahead

749
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: and take a listen to what could we had to

750
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Speaker 2: say about that.

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Speaker 13: The IDF has killed five journalists from Al Jazeera amongst

752
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 13: seven people who were killed in a direct and targeted

753
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Speaker 13: strike in Gaza City. Al Jazeera called it a targeted

754
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 13: assassination and a blatant and premeditated attack on press freedom. Now,

755
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 13: the IDF immediately put out a statement saying that twenty

756
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 13: eight year old correspondent and Asked al Sharif, who had

757
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 13: become extremely well known in Gaza but his broadcasting during

758
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 13: the war, said that he served as the head of

759
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 13: a terrorist cell in her Mass and produced documents including

760
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 13: personal rosters, lists of terrorist training courses, phone directories and

761
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 13: salary documents that they said proved he belonged to her Mass.

762
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Speaker 13: But since then a number of journalists, including many from

763
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Speaker 13: the BBC, have said that this evidence, to their eyes

764
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 13: very experienced war correspondence, is not convincing. And the reason

765
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 13: this matters so much is that if the IDF has

766
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 13: deliberately targeted a group of journalists in Gaza City and

767
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Speaker 13: it turns out that that man Alchherif was not a

768
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Speaker 13: Harmas terrorist, then that would constitute a war crime.

769
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Speaker 12: I've also would point there are photos where this alleged

770
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 12: journalist is hugging the head of Hamas and smiling and

771
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 12: yucking it up for the cameras. There is evidence that

772
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 12: indicates that he was an asset for Jimas and if

773
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 12: it's proven that he isn't, then that's a different calculation.

774
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 12: But right now the evidence points to the fact that

775
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 12: he was. And why would someone pose as a journalist.

776
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 12: I mean, I know why they would do it, but

777
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 12: I think that's incredibly despicable if somebody is pretending to

778
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 12: be just reporting the news but is actually being a

779
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 12: participant in the outcome.

780
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 5: It's like if a.

781
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Speaker 12: Referee at an American football game, instead of wearing the

782
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 12: stripe jersey of the referee, decides to put on a

783
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 12: team jersey and actually root for one team over the

784
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 12: other and aid and a bet one team over the other.

785
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 12: But the big difference is that in football is just

786
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 12: a game, really doesn't matter. This matters. People are dying

787
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 12: there every day, and anyone who helps himas, who is

788
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 12: sympathetic to them, who aids and abets them, I can

789
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 12: understand they would be a target.

790
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 13: But there is no actual hard evidence that he was

791
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 13: a Hamas terrorist. The only evidence that appears to be

792
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 13: old pictures of him with Hamas leaders, of which there

793
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 13: would be many people in Gaza who would do pictures

794
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 13: of that nature with the governing body. This is prior

795
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 13: to October the seventh. I think judging people as terrorists

796
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 13: prior to October the seventh, when this was a government

797
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 13: that was being financially supported by Israel amongst others, to

798
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 13: the tune of billions of dollars is pretty disingenuous.

799
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Speaker 2: So, first of all, Ryan is Peers is pointing out

800
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: there there is no evidence that Annas was linked to

801
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 2: Hamas or a Hamas militant at any point, let alone

802
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: post October seventh, And you can all go out and

803
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: watch his work product if you want to know what

804
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 2: he has been up to for these past nearly two years.

805
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Speaker 2: Second of all, I just have to note it is

806
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: quite rich for a former Fox News host to take

807
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: this line about how if you're cheering, rooting for one

808
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: team specifically, and you put on the jersey and you're

809
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: not just being the neutral ref then that should make

810
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: you a legitimate military target.

811
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 4: Is quite rich.

812
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 2: Coming from this former Fox News propagandas.

813
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's utterly preposterous. If you live in Gaza and

814
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: you're high ranking, you know, if you're a journalist of

815
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: serious repute like the Hamas leadership wants to be seen

816
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 3: with you like that's it goes the other way around.

817
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 5: For the most part that.

818
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: Well, think about the other thing I was saying about, Hey,

819
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: all of our members of Congress are they're taking photos

820
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: with Benjamin Nan Yahoo right now? You know, does that

821
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: mean they're big congress people and they're legitimate military targets.

822
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, It's utter utterly absurd.

823
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 5: Right.

824
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: And also Israel's own documents that they put out said

825
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 3: that he left in early twenty twenty three because of

826
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 3: some explosives accident that you know, cost him his hearing

827
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Speaker 3: in one ear and vision, you know, hurt his vision

828
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 3: and other eyes. Like, well, hey, none of that is

829
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 3: like evident in any of his work. But even even

830
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: assuming that this is the case, you're saying that he

831
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 3: has not been a combatant since October, since before October seventh,

832
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, the rules that you could only kill combatants,

833
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: like just because somebody previously served that, I'm not acknowledging

834
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 3: that he'd previously so I'm not saying that he did,

835
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 3: because there's really no evidence that he did.

836
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 5: But even if he did.

837
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: Serve that, then that doesn't allow you to kill him

838
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: years later. You cannot kill Barack Revive just because Barack

839
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 3: Reviede served in.

840
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 4: An idea, idea or same with en, which she did.

841
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: And you know that's what people do for the most part,

842
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: They serve in the militaries of their country, but you

843
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 3: can't then later kill them as a result of it.

844
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 5: So then yesterday Israeli Israel.

845
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: Put out again they said, oh, clarification, because they saw

846
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: they were getting clowned all over the world for this argument.

847
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 5: That clarification.

848
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 3: We have newly and uncovered new secret documents that show

849
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: he was still a secret terrorist. And people around the

850
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 3: world have been getting their news from on Us al Sharif,

851
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: and they know that he has been working from dawn

852
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 3: all the way off and through the night because you

853
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 3: can't sleep because of the drones and the explosions. He's

854
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 3: posting and doing live hits constantly, and so now is

855
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 3: really claiming that actually, in his downtime he was the

856
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: secret terrorist. And they're only saying that now the clarification,

857
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 3: because the last answer landed like a dud, and they're like, oh, yes,

858
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: isn't this is only working on our most loyal propagandists.

859
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 5: Everyone else is like, no, this is not credible.

860
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 2: Well, and they've murdered so many journalists, one hundreds at

861
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: this point, the number I saw was north of two

862
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: hundred and forty, more than you know, in any war since,

863
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: including the Civil War. They've murdered so many most of

864
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: the time, they don't even feel the need to justify it.

865
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: It's just they just killed them and nobody hears anything

866
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: about it. And there's I think cannot be disputed at

867
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: this point that journalists have been intentionally targeted. You know,

868
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: you have international journalists are barred from entering the Gaza Strip,

869
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: so they aren't aren't there to shoulder some of the

870
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: burden of being able to report out this genocide. So

871
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: it's fallen to Palestinians to be responsible for the full

872
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: reporting burden of you know, documenting their own friends and

873
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: family members being starved and brutalized and killed. And then

874
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: on top of that, they all I mean, Anasa was

875
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: receiving text messages he anticipated his own murder at the

876
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: hands of the IDF and put together, you know, his

877
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: final statement to be published upon his death. That's how

878
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Speaker 2: much danger he felt his life was in. And you know,

879
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: we can put put this next before this is you know,

880
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: Israel targeting another journalist. Now, Ryan, my understanding is this

881
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: journalist was able to survive this strike. But after the

882
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: initial you're seeing the rubble from the initial strike, and

883
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: while he's walking around seeing who's okay, you know, what

884
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: are the injuries, what's going on? There's another double tab

885
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: strike here, once again targeting them.

886
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 4: And I think you pointed out.

887
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 2: The likelihood likely they were trying to not only murder

888
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: this journalist, but any aid workers who would come to

889
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: try to assist.

890
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was most of some Delula, very high,

891
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: very well known journalist in Gaza City. And yes, it

892
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: does seem like it was a double tap, and the

893
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 3: double taps are aimed at you know, you first hit

894
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 3: a site, and it's terrorist organizations that kind of pioneered

895
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 3: the use of these double taps. You strike a site

896
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 3: and then you know, loved ones and rescue workers come

897
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: to the site, and then you set off or you

898
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 3: launch a second explosion to hit them as well. Miraculously

899
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: he survived. At least ten people were killed in that strike.

900
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: He's also Gaza City, and so what's going on here?

901
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 3: And on us and his colleagues were in Gaza City

902
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 3: and have been in this entire genocide. Their tent was

903
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 3: known to be outside of Alshifa, hospital. They were broadcasting

904
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 3: from there constantly, which has also raised these questions about

905
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 3: to the idea like oh wait a minute, you're you

906
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: you have this evidence that he's a secret terrorist. Why now, like,

907
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 3: why why are you waiting until now? And the answer

908
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 3: is is quite obvious that they have. They have announced

909
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 3: that they're going to do this incursion and take over

910
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 3: Gaza City. So they are now methodically killing the journalists

911
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 3: in Gaza City. I hear myself saying this, and it

912
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 3: sounds insane that this is being done out in the open,

913
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 3: but this is what is happening on in a methodical,

914
00:49:58,800 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 3: day to day manner.

915
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, no, it's it's just you.

916
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: You you know, you can't believe that these things are

917
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: unfolding and it's so clear, and yet somebody like my

918
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: Cuckabee goes on with with Peers and I will say,

919
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: you know, Piers asks a little follow up there. Peers

920
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: can be very dogged when he wants to be, and

921
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 2: his a little meek. In this particular segment with Ambassador Huckabee,

922
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, also wanted to share with everybody a

923
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: US negotiator who was involved in the you know, the

924
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: negotiations that led to the release of the Israeli American

925
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: hostage Dan Alexander. He is now coming out and speaking

926
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: out about how he feels that it has not been surprise,

927
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 2: surprised Humas that was the problem of the most recent negotiations,

928
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: that it's actually the US side that you know, walked away,

929
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: and speculating about why that might be, this is b five.

930
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

931
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 14: Both the mediators, the Egyptians and the countries said that

932
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 14: they felt that the Hamas response to the Israeli proposal

933
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Speaker 14: with regard to the maps was positive. Hamas was not

934
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 14: really rigid in terms of what it was willing to do.

935
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 14: It was willing to negotiate, you know. And the same

936
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Speaker 14: thing with the between the exchange of prisoners and hostages.

937
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 14: So there was the opportunity to come to a deal,

938
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 14: and honestly, I don't know why we did not pursue that,

939
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 14: because if we did, we would have had a deal

940
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 14: about two and a half three two and a half

941
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 14: weeks ago. But somebody cut off that line of negotiations.

942
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 5: Somebody is Israel.

943
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 14: I'm presuming that the decision at the end of the day,

944
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 14: it was Israeli decision. What I was told by the

945
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 14: mediators that the Israeli delegation, when they saw the what

946
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 14: was presented to them, said that they were cautiously positive.

947
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 14: I don't know what happens in Israeli behind the scenes politics,

948
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 14: but clearly it was not something that that was at

949
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 14: the time acceptable to Israel.

950
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 5: And then and then we've been nothing.

951
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 10: In the meantime, things were frozen.

952
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: So there you go, Ryan, I mean, he's just basically

953
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: acknowledging outright that Israel was the problem in these negotiations.

954
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 2: What more can you tell us from drops Ice reporting

955
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: about this?

956
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is Bishop Baba.

957
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 3: This is the guy who kind of set was the

958
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 3: kind of head of like Arab Americans for Trump and

959
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: like set up his back channel to Hamas for wick Cough.

960
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 3: And you know, it's important that the history is laid

961
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 3: out there just so we just so everybody understands, you know,

962
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 3: what happened here. It was reported in Israeli media that

963
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: he resigned from the negotiating team.

964
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 5: That seems to be completely fabricated.

965
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 3: He responded publicly saying, you know, I'm not technically a

966
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 3: member of the negotiating team either way, I'm I'm helping

967
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 3: h Envoy wit Cough. I retain enormous respect for Witkoff.

968
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 3: And then he and then he did this interview just

969
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 3: making clear what happened and in this and based on

970
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 3: all the documents that that Jeremy at scale obtained over

971
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 3: at drop site. This what he's saying there conforms with

972
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 3: exactly with what we understand as well, that Hamas responded

973
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 3: favorably to the offer, they were preparing to sign the

974
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 3: documents and move into the implementation phase, and Witkoff first

975
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 3: and then Israel announced that it was all off and

976
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: that they were going to try, you know, other means

977
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,479
Speaker 3: to get the captives back, and those other means entail

978
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 3: assassinating a ton of journalists in Gaza City and then

979
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: and then moving into Gaza City and then we'll see

980
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 3: what comes next. So but that is that is the

981
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 3: accurate history. That Hamas was ready to make the deal

982
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 3: and the US and Israel decided not.

983
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Speaker 5: To make it.

984
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: So his dispute with I believe it was Cham twelve

985
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 2: Israeli Channel Top twelve saying he had resigned for the

986
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: negotiating team is basically like well, I was never officially

987
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: on the negotiating team and he's still resigned from it.

988
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's still he's still involved. There are just no

989
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 3: talks right now. There's got there. There's news of like

990
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: Israel in the United States kicking around ideas again that

991
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 3: might lead to something, but there are no negotiations that

992
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 3: he can be a part of.