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Speaker 2: Today we are going to do a deep dive series

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Speaker 2: two very interesting and somewhat similar teams in the Indiana

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Speaker 2: He's been on the show a few times before. Very

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Speaker 4: Doing good? I love coming on here. I think you

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Speaker 4: Like I I the joke I've kind of keep making

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Speaker 4: Like, wait, you you can do something to make our

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Speaker 2: So it'll manifest in different ways. But I do think

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that January twelve game was a great example

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Speaker 2: You're really just looking at like individual matchups, what it

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Speaker 4: was so dialed in from them that I think you

433
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 4: can give up a short term disadvantage knowing that you're

434
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,120
Speaker 4: burning clock, you're eating more like if the Calves are

435
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 4: making the pacers work into the bottom ten seconds of

436
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 4: the shot clock, the possessions kind of already a win.

437
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

438
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,199
Speaker 2: I think that the early the early portion of the

439
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 2: series will see less switching. I would especially early in games.

440
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 2: One of the things I noticed on film is Jared

441
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 2: Allen was very keyed on the pop. And what I

442
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 2: mean by that is like in instead of coming up

443
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 2: to the level where he's fully committing to basically being

444
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 2: two on the ball and conceding the pick and pop,

445
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,719
Speaker 2: he's kind of making a judgment call based on how

446
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 2: the on ball defenders doing so if the on ball

447
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 2: defender is like fully compromised, then he'll jump over there

448
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 2: and help. But if he sees that the on ball

449
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 2: defenders in the position to flatten out the drive, he'll

450
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 2: kind of be more keyed up towards Miles Turner. To

451
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 2: your point, though, I think that action inevitably trends towards

452
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 2: switching and Jared Allen having to hold up on an

453
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 2: island against Tyreus Haliburton. Now, one of the things with

454
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 2: Tyres that made him kind of go through the spiral

455
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 2: that he went through over the previous year between the

456
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: start of last year to where he is now, was

457
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 2: he with the hamstring just didn't quite look very explosive

458
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 2: attacking switches on the perimeter. As we saw last night

459
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 2: against Giannis. There is a pretty important moment one, yeah, exactly,

460
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 2: and it was an example of what the tug of

461
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: war will look like.

462
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Speaker 3: I think.

463
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 2: I think a substantial part of the tug of war

464
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: will be can Tyrese Haliburton get dribble penetration against the

465
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: Cavs bigs in you know, ISO situations. But one of

466
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 2: the things that's interesting about India is like they do

467
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,959
Speaker 2: not marry themselves to Tyrese Haliburton shot creation If it's

468
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: not what the game calls for. And so one of

469
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: the things that I think we could end up seeing,

470
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 2: to your point, is like a lot more of Siakam

471
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,479
Speaker 2: action trying to get switches for Siakam to look to attack.

472
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: And then I would not be surprised. I would assume

473
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 2: that we're gonna end up seeing Donovan Mitchell guard Nemhard

474
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 2: and Garland end up guarding Nie Smith, because that would

475
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 2: be my Nie Smith is a little bit less of

476
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,959
Speaker 2: a threat as a movement shooter, although Nie Smith has

477
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 2: a little bit more of a bag than I think

478
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 2: people give him credit for. But I think they'll be

479
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: more comfortable hedging and recovering with Garland out of Nie

480
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 2: Smith action than they would out of Nemhart action. But

481
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 2: don't be surprised if we end up seeing a little

482
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: bit more of Nemhart on the ball in this series

483
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: in the event that they view like they have a

484
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 2: better opportunity to get him going. He's a good drop

485
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 2: coverage player. He like last night, the first shot that

486
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 2: got everything going for them, and that's you know run

487
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: late in the game was him just coming off of

488
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 2: ball screen and pulling up a three from you know

489
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: thirty feet at the top of the key. Nem Hard

490
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 2: can play or a Nie Smith can Yeah, Nemhrd can play.

491
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 2: I get them all confused anyway. The ultimately, though, what

492
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 2: I see what I see happening is the Pacers, whether

493
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 2: it's through the Siakam post up double teams, which we

494
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 2: did see plenty of that in the regular season, where

495
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: the Calves tried to double Siakam out of the post,

496
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 2: or if it's Haliburton beating someone off the dribble, or

497
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: if it's Nie Smith bringing in or Nemhard bringing in

498
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 2: low manhelp. I do think rotation basketball would be much

499
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: more of a factor for the Calves in this series

500
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: than it was against the Heat. They will have to

501
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 2: fly around, they will have to make plays in rotation,

502
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 2: but that push and pull, it's all about how much

503
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: you get compromised that If Jared Allen can hold up

504
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 2: pretty well on switches, if the Calves guards can hold

505
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: up pretty well on switches against Theakam so they don't

506
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 2: have to as dramatically overhelp in those sorts of situations,

507
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: those are gonna be the kinds of things that have

508
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: a large impact on the quality of looks that the

509
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 2: Calves get that said, like, there is a flat out

510
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: like shot making piece to what the Calves do, which

511
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 2: is absolutely insane. And like, guys, they had a one

512
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: thirty six offensive rating in the first round. They had

513
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: a one eighteen half court offensive rating in the first round.

514
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 2: There half court offensive rating was better than what the

515
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 2: Boston Celtics posted overall in the offensive rating area in

516
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: the first round against a Heat last year. Yes, very

517
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: different team, but with Davion Mitchell and Andrew Wiggins out there,

518
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 2: it's a different type. There's some defenders out there that

519
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 2: they were just consistently compromising. It's shot making Ti Jerome

520
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: and Donovan Mitchell's off the dribble shot making in that

521
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: first round was absurd, Max Strus and DeAndre Hunter and

522
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: there over the top shot making in catch and shoot

523
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: situations was absurd. And so I think a big part

524
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: of it is going to be, like, if the Calves

525
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 2: shot making is there, there's not going to really be

526
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: much at the Pacers do to stop them. So let's

527
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: move to the Caves on offense. When we were talking

528
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 2: about specific specific actions that you think the Calves will

529
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: be leaning on as pet actions in the half court,

530
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 2: what are you looking at for the Calves in the

531
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 2: second round series.

532
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 4: Well, they were a lot more aggressive in picking at

533
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 4: weak points than I thought they were going to be

534
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: in that heat series. Like they've been a pretty like

535
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 4: we just run our offense the way we run it,

536
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 4: and we'll just keep attacking till you mess up. And

537
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 4: that was kind of their philosophy most of the regular season,

538
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 4: and like that still helped true, don't get me wrong,

539
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 4: Like the machine didn't stop worrying. But they were really mean,

540
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 4: Like they were really mean to Tyler Hero. They and

541
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 4: once they decided to stop being mean to Tyler Hero,

542
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 4: they got really mean to kill el Ware and started

543
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 4: really abusing him in space with with empty side pick

544
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 4: and rolls.

545
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 3: Jared Allen has kicked his ass man such a like.

546
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 4: Like I keep joking because like Jared's such a sweet

547
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 4: soul that I think people like don't don't think about

548
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 4: it this way, and like in general, like you know,

549
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: I think we can kind of flatten out that archetype

550
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 4: of like I'm a I'm an athletic vertical rim protecting,

551
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 4: finishing big that's my thing, you know, And I think

552
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 4: sometimes we really flatten out that archetype and kind of

553
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 4: assume everyone's about as good as each other, you know,

554
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 4: because like they're all doing the same basic job, but

555
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 4: like you don't really see how different that job can

556
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 4: be in terms of how effective you can be doing

557
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 4: it until you watch like Jared just abuse Kloware, like

558
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 4: with how he's spacing his pick and roll dives and

559
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 4: all that fun stuff.

560
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: I want to cut you off for a second here,

561
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: because this is something that that I feel victim too too.

562
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 2: That what you're making, what the point you're trying to make,

563
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: is very important, which is like people just like tie

564
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: Jared Allen into the same tier as like Nick Claxton

565
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 2: or like every other Robert Williams, Like, yeah, they're all

566
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: just like the same. It's like this And by the way,

567
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: I am admitting guilt here, I personally underrated Jared Allen

568
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: coming into this stretch. I viewed him as just another

569
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: one of these dudes who can defend and drop, do

570
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: a little bit of switching and can be a vertical

571
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: spacer as he's on the role. And it's like, it's

572
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: so much more complicated than that. I watched Jared Allen

573
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: kick the shit out of some really good players this

574
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: year and had to head matchups, and it's the relentless

575
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 2: rim running that was the big thing that he kept

576
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: getting behind kellel Ware Like he just kept getting behind him,

577
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: and that was really the problem was kelll just like

578
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: kept getting into position where he was in a drop,

579
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: but he still wasn't able to account for the role man,

580
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: which is like, it's the whole purpose of the job

581
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: is don't let the roller behind you the worst of

582
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: both worlds exactly, and so like he'll do that. Jared

583
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: Allen is like the type of release valve that you

584
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: get from an Isaiah Hartenstein as a short range shot

585
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: maker in terms of the types of little floaters and

586
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: pushots that he can make. He is an ass kicker

587
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: on the glass. And then the big thing is is

588
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: on defense. He has become such a gifted switch defender

589
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 2: that it unlocks so many different things for them defensively.

590
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: And like I had to have my own little personal

591
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: wake up call with Jared Allen this year where I'm like,

592
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: this guy is not a league average replacement starting level center.

593
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: He's in that upper tier of centers in this league.

594
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: Maybe not in the same level as the guys at

595
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: the top, but he's in that next tier below them,

596
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: and that really is a talent piece that I think

597
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: just gets consistently overrated with the Cavs. But anyway, you

598
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: go back to what your YEA, Well, it's.

599
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 4: Because it's not a bag related an understanding of where

600
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 4: you are in space, and it's a coordination when you

601
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 4: catch the ball, you know, you know, being able to

602
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 4: take a pocket pass at your knees and not break

603
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 4: your stride on the on your dive to the rim.

604
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 4: Like it's all these little like game within a game

605
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 4: type of types of things for him, And like that

606
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 4: is where I think on offense, I think the Cavs

607
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 4: this is going.

608
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 3: To be a great series for the Cavs bigs.

609
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 4: You know, I think Siakam's taking a couple of steps

610
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 4: back as a defender as he's gotten a little bit older.

611
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 4: You know, he went you know, he started his career

612
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 4: as the defender, you know, chaos agent. I think he's

613
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: just a little not bad by any means, but a

614
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 4: little worse. And like I just think Turner is going

615
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 4: from a series where it's kind of tailor made for him,

616
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 4: where he's just way his footspeed is just way better

617
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 4: than Brooke and he's way more physical and just straight

618
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 4: up better than Bobby Portis, who's a player. I don't love,

619
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 4: to be honest, I just don't think crazy highly of

620
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 4: even though you know, I know he's been helpful for

621
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 4: them and in big moments too, Like now he's going

622
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 4: to have to not only protect the rim against you know,

623
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 4: the relentless rim pressure of the Tiger Romes, the Dariuses

624
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 4: and the Donovans of the world, but also not let

625
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 4: them get behind him, to your point of, like you know,

626
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 4: so like I wonder if they're going to try to

627
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 4: hedge in show and try to do that because like switching,

628
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 4: I don't know if I don't know if switching is

629
00:30:58,680 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 4: the best idea for them.

630
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: Don't think Turner is gonna be able to switch. I

631
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: think that that's the interesting part. Like I think the

632
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: Pacers actually have a little bit more playmaking talent in

633
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: my opinion in terms of like overall passing talent. But

634
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: I think that the calves are going to be able

635
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: to compromise the Pacers more at the point of attack

636
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: because of that big issue, which is like to your point,

637
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: like it's just an entirely different animal in the front

638
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: court that he's dealing with in this case, it's just

639
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: going from you know, Kyle Kuzma to to Evan Mobley

640
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: is just an entirely different animal.

641
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 4: You know. Yeah, I just think I just think, like ideally,

642
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I just think nim Hard Nie

643
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 4: Smith's job is gonna it's one just gonna be really

644
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 4: important in this series. I feel like they're probably like

645
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 4: who I'm most keyed in on in terms of Indie's

646
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 4: ability to keep this close. Like if they're fighting over

647
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 4: these if they're fighting through these screens and staying connected

648
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 4: to the back of the hip of Darius and Donovan

649
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 4: and Tie, that is so much different than it if

650
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 4: they're getting wiped out. I just think the Caps are

651
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 4: going to get a wide open look.

652
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 3: That's the series right there.

653
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: What you're talking about is the series because stay Van

654
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: Gundhi did a really nice job of breaking this down

655
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: when he was discussing the uh uh oh No, I

656
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: think it was actually zach Low. I think it was Zachlo.

657
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: I think I was listening to Zachlo the other day.

658
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: Did a beautiful job of explaining like why the Drew

659
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: holiday trade was so damaging to the Bucks, and it

660
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: was because in order to run the types of coverages

661
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: that involve traditional bigs, meaning like not switching, but at

662
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: the level coverages or drop coverages, things along those lines.

663
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: You have to stay attached to the ball handler. You

664
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: have to as soon as that piece falls off, your

665
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: defense is going to get cut to pieces. Turner will

666
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: get destroyed in space. So to your point, the dynamic

667
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: of the ball pressure of Kniesmith and Nemhard, how would

668
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: you if you were coaching the pacers, how would you

669
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: match up those two?

670
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Speaker 4: On Garland and Mitchell, I'm doing I'm going nim Hard

671
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 4: on Darius because I think he is the slightly nastier,

672
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 4: pushy er grab ear of the defenders, at least from

673
00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 4: what I watched. I won't pretend to be like, oh,

674
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 4: hard core pacers expert year, but like I think, I

675
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 4: think the nastier, uh more physical guy on Darius is

676
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 4: probably the way i'd go. And Nie Smith just like,

677
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 4: just do your job, stay and stay connected, do your best, fight,

678
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 4: be tough and physical. But like you know, I think

679
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 4: Donovan also just gets the line a little better than

680
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 4: Darius does, you know, So like the pushy grabby stuff,

681
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 4: Donovan's got a little bit better at the at the

682
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: grift game, uh than than Darius, But I mean it's

683
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 4: gonna be I just think those guys are gonna really

684
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 4: gonna swing the series on both ends. Like because like

685
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 4: to your point, on the other side, I know we're

686
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 4: talking Cavs offense, nim Hart is gonna have to go

687
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 4: beat up Donovan or Darius.

688
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: One of those guys gonna have to do damage. That's

689
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: that's an that's an important part of this too. The

690
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: there there was some nem Hart spent some time on

691
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: Mitchell in the regular season, and Mitchell was able to

692
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: get separation against him easily. But this we've seen all

693
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: the way back since the Brunson series last year. Like

694
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: there's no doubt that uh uh that Nie Smith is

695
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: a little bit vulnerable to over the top shot making

696
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: because he's a little bit shorter or Nemhard, I should say,

697
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: Nie Smith is a bigger, better athlete, and so I

698
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: actually think that makes sense to match him up with

699
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: Mitchell in terms of being able to get better contests

700
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 2: on his pull up jump shots. But again, that's gonna

701
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 2: be the The point you're making is important. The ball

702
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: pressure matchup on both ends of the floor is going

703
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: to be absolutely key, and whether it's on pacers, on offense,

704
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 2: Nemhard being able to consistently compromise a guy like Donovan Mitchell,

705
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: or if it's on the other end of the floor

706
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: and it's like Mitchell keeps getting don keeps getting penetration

707
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 2: against Nie Smith, or Garland keeps getting penetration against Nemhart.

708
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: Those are going to be the starts of all of

709
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: this because when the teams get into their flow, neither

710
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: team is going to be able to stop each other.

711
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: Once they get into their flow, it's gonna be who

712
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: can stop the team from getting into the flow as

713
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: often and.

714
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 4: Who can crack the shell more consistently. And like, that's

715
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 4: why I'm gonna pick the Cavs in the series, just

716
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 4: because I think, you know, as much respect as I

717
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 4: have for Indy, and I hope that's coming through Like

718
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 4: I'm not this is in lip service. I think they're

719
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 4: an awesome team. I think they're actually better than their

720
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 4: record and better than their point differential at their best.

721
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 4: I think Carlisle's the top three or four coach in

722
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 4: the league. I just I just I really respect this team.

723
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 4: But you just look at how many ways the Calves

724
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 4: have to poke at you. You know, they're going to

725
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 4: play two of Darius and Darius Donovan and tie for

726
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 4: forty eight minutes. It's a ridiculous amount of perimeter creation.

727
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 4: And then Evan has gotten so much better as a

728
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 4: mismatch masher, a better shooter off the dribble, a better

729
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 4: ability to drive against you know, fellow bigs and get

730
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 4: them on his back hip as opposed to you know

731
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: them just kind of sliding their feet with them. I

732
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 4: just think they have more ways to make Indy send

733
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,959
Speaker 4: that second guy in the ball and you know, Indy,

734
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 4: it's you know it's going to be. I think the

735
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 4: Calves are going to live with what Indy does and

736
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 4: switch and of just try to keep them in front

737
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 4: of them until they absolutely can't. And I just think

738
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 4: the Calves have more ways to.

739
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 3: Do that right now. Yeah, I.

740
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: When I look at the way that playoff series inevitably

741
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 2: kind of trend as you start to figure out ways

742
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: to shut down pet actions, you know, whether it's like,

743
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: let's say the Calves figure out like, oh, like we

744
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: can switch the turner Haliburton pick and roll boom, Like

745
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: that's an advantage that we have there, Like oh, we

746
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 2: on Siakam post ups. As long as we play the

747
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: hide high side and force him towards the baseline and

748
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 2: we double from the baseline, we can rotate out of

749
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: it relatively quickly. It does tend to degenerate into matchup

750
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: attacking basketball inevitably. And at that point, who do I

751
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 2: think is the better team at hitting tough playoff shots?

752
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: And I have Donovan Mitchell, I have Max Strus and

753
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hunter who can hit tough, contested catch and shoot

754
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 2: jump shots. There's a level of off the dribble shot

755
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: making with Ty Jerome. We didn't get to talk too

756
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: much about Garland today. Actually, I think we both agree

757
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: that we're picking I'm picking the Caves and six? Are

758
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: you picking the Cabs and six?

759
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go in five? But I think, oh, okay,

760
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 4: I think it could go seven very comfortably. I mean,

761
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 4: I'm not sure Indy can win the series. Uh that

762
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 4: is like probably the bridge I'm not willing to cross,

763
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 4: and well, can you know, if things go really really,

764
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 4: if everything goes perfect Brandy everything was bad for the Cabs,

765
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 4: I think, and he can win the series. But like

766
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 4: I think the range of outcomes, like if I were

767
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 4: setting betting odds for like Calves and five cabs and

768
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 4: six cabs and seven Indian seven, Like they'd all be

769
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 4: like closer.

770
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 3: Than you'd think from adds perspective.

771
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 4: So I think is not as slight as much as

772
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 4: I just think it's easier to close out of series

773
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 4: at home than on the road.

774
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 2: The the there's I was just really the the backup

775
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: guard dynamic two between ty Drome and t J McConnell's

776
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: another kind of interesting similarity between the two teams that

777
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: all so manifests in a different way because TJ is

778
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: just this TJ McConnell blows me away with his ability

779
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: to beat people off the dribble. It's amazing, Like he.

780
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 3: Just hosts people off the dribble all day.

781
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: Look but tied to But Tie does it a little

782
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 2: bit more methodically and does it a lot with like

783
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: body position and leverage and it. But Ti Jerme, I

784
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 2: think is a substantially better over the top shot maker.

785
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: But are you worried at all about the Darius Garland

786
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: toe injury? What are you hearing on that front? Like,

787
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: how are you feeling about that particular situation. I'm about

788
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: two minutes.

789
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm no reporter, so you know, I only have

790
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 4: what's available in front of me. You know, publicly, I'm

791
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 4: going to be worried about it until I see him

792
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 4: play and be good because that toe it. You know,

793
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 4: as you know you were a hooper, Like toes are important.

794
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 4: They're how you balance their how you push start and stop.

795
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 4: And like Darius is a start and stop player, he

796
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 4: is not a straight line. Let me just get ahead

797
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 4: of steam and I'll be good type of player.

798
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 3: You know.

799
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 4: I think with the back last year seizing up literally

800
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 4: every every three minutes of game action, you could really

801
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 4: see how much the inability to stop and start made

802
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 4: his game flat and lose its flavor, you know. And

803
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 4: you know the toe isn't as important as a back,

804
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 4: but it's pretty darn important.

805
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 3: Uh and uh.

806
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 4: And you know he's gonna have ten full days off

807
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 4: between games. You know, you can't ask for much better

808
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 4: than that at this point of the year. So I

809
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 4: think I think we'll know how serious the toe injury

810
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 4: is when we see if he plays or not. If

811
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 4: he's out in a game one, then I'm gonna be

812
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 4: like pretty nervous. That's seriously concern. However, I still think

813
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 4: the Calves can and should win the series even if

814
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: he only plays in half the games.

815
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, the starts off quickness pieces everything, Like I've I've

816
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: dealt with like different types of toe injuries over the years,

817
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: And the big thing is when you're when you're going

818
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: full speed and you need to stop, your foot literally

819
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 2: rams into the front of your shoe and it's just super,

820
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: super uncomfortable. But we'll be keeping an eye on that.

821
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: I'm picking the Calves and six. If I just really

822
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: quickly for Pacers fans, if I was making the case

823
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: for how you'd win the series, this is how it

824
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: would look. A big part of the Calves attack is

825
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: forcing turnovers and getting out in transition. Tyre's Haliburton doesn't

826
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 2: turn the ball over. Tyres is really good at punishing

827
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: help and recover types of sequences. He's a relentless advantage attacker,

828
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: meaning like he just finds where the help is at

829
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: any point in time and is going to make the

830
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: requisite kickout passes. The Pacers have a rhythm piece to

831
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 2: their game on offense that can catch a lot of

832
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: momentum and get really hot for extended stretches, and they

833
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: do have the ball pressure piece to where they could

834
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: potentially play the Calves into bad stretches, and so I

835
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: do think even with the Calves winning the series, there

836
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: will be stretches of this series where the Pacers go

837
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: on extended runs or win games. I think that they

838
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: have advantages in that regard. So if they can just

839
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 2: somehow maintain that momentum over the course of the series,

840
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: there's absolutely a version of this where they can win,

841
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: especially if Tyre's Haliburton is playing at the level that

842
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: he was playing. That said, I think the Calves are

843
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: a substantially better defensive team on the front line, and

844
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: I think they are a more versatile defensive team on

845
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: the front line, which gives them a lot of flexibility

846
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 2: with adjustments over the course of the series. And then

847
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: that over the top shot making piece is just such

848
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: a ceiling razor when you get into some of these

849
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: slow down clutch situations at the end of games, Carter,

850
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: I know you need to go. Why don't you just

851
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 2: quick tell everybody where your work is so that we

852
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: can send them that way and then we'll get you

853
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: out of here.

854
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 3: All right.

855
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can follow a Chase Down pod on any

856
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 4: social media platforms.

857
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: If you are if you are.

858
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 4: If you are a video pod guy, go Calves YouTube

859
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 4: channels where we're hosted. Can I end this pod with

860
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 4: a question for you? Though, I can hijack real quick

861
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 4: and let it and then it on this. If the

862
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 4: Calves sweep this series, if they just or like win,

863
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 4: you know, in a dominant fashion, maybe it's not sweet,

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Speaker 4: but it's a Calves and five and four and three

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Speaker 4: of the four wins. It's just like a oh, the

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Speaker 4: Calves are winning this game kind of thing. Will that

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Speaker 4: meaningfully change how you feel about a Boston series in

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Speaker 4: the next round.

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Speaker 2: Dude, I'm so close to picking Cleveland it's not even funny.

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Speaker 2: There's the big thing is is that I think Jason

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Speaker 2: Tatum is playing at an insanely high level, and then

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Speaker 2: he's substantially better than he was last year in the postseason.

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Speaker 2: I think the rest of the team is not. I

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Speaker 2: think the rest of the team is I think the

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Speaker 2: rest of the team is more banged up. I think

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Speaker 2: they have several shooters that are really shaky right now

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Speaker 2: in their confidence and clean catch and shoot situations. I

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Speaker 2: think that there is a version of that series where

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Speaker 2: Tatum just becomes too much to handle. Of course, and

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Speaker 2: I definitely am waiting to see how the second round

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Speaker 2: plays out. But if the Calves just beat the shit

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Speaker 2: out of the Pacers and their offense still looks completely unguardable,

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Speaker 2: the vision I can't get out of my head is

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Speaker 2: the way that the Calves just chewed up and spit

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Speaker 2: out the Celtics and the Blender ever since they dropped

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Speaker 2: down twenty in the first quarter of that game in Boston,

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Speaker 2: where like there is like a relentless PCE and the

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Speaker 2: Blender so to speak, that really can cause the Celtics

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Speaker 2: defense some problems. And so I think this Cavs team

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Speaker 2: is reaching a special level on offense and I'm very,

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Speaker 2: very close, but I will wait to see what happens

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Speaker 2: in the second round series.

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Speaker 4: One last thing st out of the season for me

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Speaker 4: that never gets discussed. It was a justin find What

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Speaker 4: do you think the net rating was for the Boston

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Speaker 4: Celtics starters in the regular season three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: seven minutes.

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Speaker 2: So this is Porzingis at center, Horford off.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Porzengis, Drew Brown, Tatum White. I would assume plus

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Speaker 4: ten or so your row point zero in over three

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Speaker 4: hundred minutes, dead even on the season. Wow, wows under

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Speaker 4: it was actually.

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Speaker 3: Negative for most of the season.

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Speaker 4: They had a late run that pushed them to a

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Speaker 4: net neutral Wow it under just wow, justin pulled it.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it wasn't like a big like five

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Speaker 4: alarm fire.

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Speaker 3: Dude.

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Speaker 2: Celtics fans are getting sick of Porzingis. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you've seen. I've noticed they think he no showed

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Speaker 2: the first round. So that's a that's a whole thing

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Speaker 2: as well. But Ay, we really appreciate you making the time.

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Speaker 2: I know you're close because I just had a couple

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Speaker 2: of good ones to throw at you know you're fine,

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Speaker 2: Carter I, sincerely, I appreciate you taking the time to

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Speaker 2: join us today. Again, everybody, go follow and support the

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Speaker 2: second round series here at OOPS tonight, as always been.

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