WEBVTT - Institutional Fail w/ Jessica Pimentel

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 3>These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 2>These are our stories, done done. Hello, welcome to That's

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<v Speaker 2>Messed Up an SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Liza Traeger.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Kara Klank, And you know what we do here, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>We just talk about an SVU episode, We talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the true crime that was based on and then we

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<v Speaker 1>interview a fabulous guest. And before that we just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of check in for a minute. So Lisa ban We

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<v Speaker 1>bansed our baby. So at this point, we're a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a time machine right now, like we're recording

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<v Speaker 1>a few days before we normally do. But at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa will be returned as a resident of Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 4>We're so excited. I did to welcome you back.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I feel like you guys obviously want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about Stabler's return and the crossover event and everything. But

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<v Speaker 2>I will be on a plane, I will be moving.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we're talking. It's like it's fucked up the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to speak. I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do it but I did just do it. You're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing behind the curtain. We had to do this sooner

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<v Speaker 2>and then I don't know. I'm going I'm definitely excited

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<v Speaker 2>that not every story from now on will not be

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<v Speaker 2>like well, my mom said, well, me and my dad

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<v Speaker 2>did this so or like drama with the cat, drama

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<v Speaker 2>with the dog. But my mom's like, we're gonna miss you.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, yeah, you're just gonna miss someone screaming

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<v Speaker 2>at you for no reason. Sure, no, but I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to miss them so much. But I'm excited to move whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>YadA YadA. It'll be stressful for sure. I think I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have to bring a printer on with me as

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<v Speaker 2>a carry on.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't understand that. Didn't I pack a printer for

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<v Speaker 4>you here?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but my parents bought me. I can't again, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like fourteen, but I got a printer. Ship it. We're

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<v Speaker 2>scared it's gonna break because my dad, because we're doing

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<v Speaker 2>the brand shipping. My dad's like, well, can you write fragile?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like greyhound, We'll throw it and piss on it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no way it's gonna be taken care of nicely.

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<v Speaker 2>So now he's scared the printer is gonna be destroyed,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's finding stuyrofoam in the basement. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna be a fun a few days of packing

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<v Speaker 2>my whole life and outfits.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom used to pick a fight with me anytime

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<v Speaker 1>I was going away, like if I was going away

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<v Speaker 1>to college, or I was going away for camp for

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<v Speaker 1>the summer, or like even for like a long trip.

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<v Speaker 1>We would always get into a fight right before does

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<v Speaker 1>your parents do your mom? Does your mom do that?

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<v Speaker 5>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>You know why. It's because she loves you but can't

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<v Speaker 2>express it. Yeah, she just turned down.

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<v Speaker 1>You would always just get into a fight, like right

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<v Speaker 1>before a big trip.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, the amount that parents love their children is truly sickening.

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<v Speaker 2>Get a life, guys, got a hobby. Parents are so desperate.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally my toddler pooped in her bathing soup bottom yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>and I cleaned it up with not even a wine.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like we love them so much. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>so obviously the news of the world is little nas

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<v Speaker 2>xworking on the devil.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>And at this point I hope people are still talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it. I know it'll be next week. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's my favorite thing. I haven't even watched the video yet, Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm so on Little naz X's side.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy, like, oh no, I love them, but it

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<v Speaker 2>reminded me because everyone's like the children, the children. And

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<v Speaker 2>our friend Solomon Georgio had an amazing tweet.

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<v Speaker 3>He goes, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't care about your ugly ass children. Shut up, we don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Care, and my friend wrote and goes, when did it

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<v Speaker 1>become Cardi b and Megan is Stallion and Little naz

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<v Speaker 1>X's job to raise your kid?

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<v Speaker 2>Like what are you talking about? Like, also, priests rape children,

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<v Speaker 2>so go away with your religious nonsense. Is this too

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<v Speaker 2>much for an intro?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so maybe, But I also agree like with

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<v Speaker 1>your tweet that you had where you were like, I

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<v Speaker 1>just adult people believing in the devil is just so like.

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<v Speaker 1>Also on Real Housewives this week, I know it's a

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<v Speaker 1>franchise you don't watch, but there was a franchise on Dallas.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the they did like a shaman thing. They

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<v Speaker 4>had like a shaman knight, and.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the women was like that kind of made

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<v Speaker 1>me upset because you're not supposed to turn to anyone

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<v Speaker 1>except for Jesus, and that lets the devil in.

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<v Speaker 2>When you do things like that, that lets the devil.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I just hadn't heard like an adult person

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<v Speaker 1>reference the Devil as an imminent threat in like a

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<v Speaker 1>long time, Like I just didn't think that was a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's pretty embarrassing. I keep laughing at myself, just

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<v Speaker 2>being like if I was someone that was like the Devil,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't just stand it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>And then people are like, and he's promoting Satanism with

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<v Speaker 2>his Devil shoes and it's like and then someone posted

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<v Speaker 2>this YouTuber I follow is like, Nike is supporting Satan,

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<v Speaker 2>how dare they? And Miley Cyrus is wearing the Satan

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<v Speaker 2>shoes and you guys are You're still so ignorant to

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that Hollywood's run by Satan. I'm like, none

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<v Speaker 2>of us take it seriously. Yeah, it's just su cool.

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<v Speaker 2>We're fucking cool. I asked her a sneaker head friend

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<v Speaker 2>if he got the Satan shoes, but he said it

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<v Speaker 2>was sold out in a minute, so shit, it was old.

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<v Speaker 2>They only released six sixty six of them, which is amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's real blood.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't even get Ivy park pants. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't imagine the Satan shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit. No, I want to tell far Bag too. I

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<v Speaker 2>just I'm good at concert tickets. I've definitely spent a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of my time on Ticketmaster apps, calling on the website.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a Dell tickets. It took me an hour

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<v Speaker 2>and a half, but I did it, like I am

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<v Speaker 2>going to concert tickets. I got Gaga tickets, old fashioned

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<v Speaker 2>ticket Master way, but the drops on fashion. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>honed in on that skill yet. But I love him.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole thing is like religious people said gay people

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<v Speaker 2>are going to hell. He's like, fine, I'll go to

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<v Speaker 2>fucking hell and I'm gonna watch a devil. Yeah. No,

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<v Speaker 2>he's so cute. And then I didn't realize this, but

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<v Speaker 2>I guess uh, Old Country Road had very dirty lyrics

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<v Speaker 2>because he's like I talked about leaning in on a bladder.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't, bitches, It's not my fault you showed it

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<v Speaker 3>to your children.

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<v Speaker 2>But also children don't get it. Like I watched The

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<v Speaker 2>Simpsons as a kid, and I didn't get most of

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<v Speaker 2>the jokes till I was older.

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<v Speaker 1>These are the same people that are like letting their

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<v Speaker 1>kids like TWRK to fully dirty songs on TikTok, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, isn't that cute? Or like half the songs

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<v Speaker 1>that kids dance to and dance competitions are like filthy

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<v Speaker 1>songs about sex. I mean it's just like kids don't

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<v Speaker 1>get it or you have to explain things to your kids,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's just not I don't agree with satanic panic,

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<v Speaker 1>with fucking any of the shit that goes on with

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<v Speaker 1>like the old Tipper Gore shit from the nineties of

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<v Speaker 1>like putting ratings on music and like music is going

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<v Speaker 1>to corrupt you. Like who's one person that now as

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<v Speaker 1>an adult is like fuck man, if I never got

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<v Speaker 1>into led Zeppelin, I think my life would have gone

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<v Speaker 1>real different. Like that's just no one's saying that shit

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<v Speaker 1>like it's just crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, the name Tipper is out of control. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand that. But I think we're skipping over the most

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<v Speaker 2>important point, which is like all my queer ass friends

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<v Speaker 2>are like if I had this as a teen, it

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<v Speaker 2>would have changed my life.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it's fully homophobic.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the panic too because the people were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about how other rap groups have talked about the Devil

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<v Speaker 1>before and Satan and other. A ton of other people

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<v Speaker 1>have done stuff like that and no one cares.

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<v Speaker 2>But because it's like this black gay man, that's a problem,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, It's just never happened. I can't think of

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<v Speaker 2>a gay pop man star in heels twerk like in

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<v Speaker 2>my life.

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<v Speaker 1>So twerking on the lap of the devil. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he was counting on that that you'd never seen that before.

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<v Speaker 2>Being of TikTok. I don't know if you saw this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I guess a popular TikToker was on Jimmy Fallon

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<v Speaker 2>do all the famous kiktok dances, and there was a

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<v Speaker 2>tweet and it's like I didn't realize this because the

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok dances look so stupid, but they're originated by black

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<v Speaker 2>young people that are amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Who are so good, and then like white girls do

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<v Speaker 1>the slowed down like like completely robotic version of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's like the stuff that goes like viral.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know. I'm an idiot. And then someone tweeted,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the legit movie bring it On. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>this is bring it On? And I was watching all

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<v Speaker 2>the black people do the dances, and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is fucking cool, Like how are these basic bees

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<v Speaker 2>on television. I mean, I don't want to be mad

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<v Speaker 2>at teenagers, but yeah, it's so fucked up. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but all thrilling, TikTok you.

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<v Speaker 1>I've become very into YouTube. I know, Liza, I'm worried

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<v Speaker 1>about you. You're buying merch You're buying coffee from YouTubers, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>I am gonna buy I'm a Chamberlain coffee, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>obsessed with them a Chamberlain.

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<v Speaker 3>But now it's gone. I watch Inked.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a tattoo magazine. I've watched hours it's just

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<v Speaker 2>tattoo artists making fun jokes. And I've and then I've

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<v Speaker 2>been watching like Harper's Bizarre What I Eat in a

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<v Speaker 2>Day and it's celebrities talking about what they eat. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I started watching nutritionists watch with the celebrities eating

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<v Speaker 2>a day and then judge them. And I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>watch Netflix and nothing. I'm just like Svu and you

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<v Speaker 2>Tube all day every day. It's never enough content. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just like waiting for Tricksy to put out a new

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<v Speaker 2>makeup tutorial. I just like, oh god, I yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>Emma Chamberlain is my new God.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, and she's twenty. She's nineteen. She wanted to clarify

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<v Speaker 1>for everybody she's nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>But like she was like, look, I got birkenstocks, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, I have birkenstocks in

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<v Speaker 2>my storage. I can't wait to wear my birkenstocks again.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm susceptible to marketing.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe if I was a kid, I would become

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<v Speaker 2>into Satan honestly, Like, yeah, I am blinded by marketing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a merch whore.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm basic, Like I think I just like things because

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<v Speaker 2>people are selling them to me. I do want to

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<v Speaker 2>say that before I leave. My family did find a

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<v Speaker 2>new game. Oh, I'm bringing back Gammon to La. My

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<v Speaker 2>dad gifted me a little sit you teach play. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how to play Backgammon. I think you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>love it. We're gonna have fun. But then we started

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<v Speaker 2>playing Rummy Cube, which yeah, I don't know who plays

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<v Speaker 2>Rummy Cube. And then we played with my sister and

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<v Speaker 2>the girl masks and she's good and we.

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<v Speaker 3>Learned a lot from her. She's been playing for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>But I got a message from someone saying that lots

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<v Speaker 2>of people are regressing to their teenage self since we're

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<v Speaker 2>all moving in back with their parents. Like it's not

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<v Speaker 2>just me screaming at my mother that everyone is just

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<v Speaker 2>regressing to their twin bed life, bad behaviors, bad communication.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's okay. We're all going to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>it at some point. We're all going to graduate back

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<v Speaker 1>into queen beds and full beds and everything's gonna be fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you gonna put my bed together? Bt?

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<v Speaker 2>Dubs?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you're asking me if it's the first

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<v Speaker 1>time I've put a bed frame together seven and a

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<v Speaker 1>half months pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>The answer is absolutely not. I've done it before and

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<v Speaker 2>I will do it again.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like I was scared of, but I think I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I think like I'll be over there with my twenty

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<v Speaker 1>dollars Ikia drill ooh.

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<v Speaker 2>It is it's gonna be an ikea bed. Yeah, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this turned into a text message at the end.

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<v Speaker 2>We really came in strong with opinions and we're ending

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<v Speaker 2>with just the message at the end.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's get into our episode. We have a really

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<v Speaker 1>great one today, so let's jump right in.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is institutional fail. It's season seventeen, and then

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<v Speaker 2>according to Hulu and lots of sources, it's episode three,

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<v Speaker 2>and then if you go somewhere else on the internet,

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<v Speaker 2>it's episode four.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's episode four.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Hulu puts together episode sometimes, like they'll put

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<v Speaker 1>together like episodes that are like to be continued episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>when really they're their own episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's actually episode four.

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<v Speaker 1>That's according to this sview fandom, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>that should be our kind of bible, because people in

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<v Speaker 1>the UK are listening, they don't have Hulu. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know for sure, and we have personally found

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<v Speaker 1>multiple mistakes in IMDb, so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>If that makes us better than everyone. But okay, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get into this episode. It's pretty heartbreaking, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the saddest. I don't even know how to pick

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<v Speaker 2>which one's sad, and they're all sad, but whatever hurts.

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<v Speaker 3>Your heart, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So it starts with a super little cute boy. He's

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<v Speaker 2>so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>I like needed to not cast a boy that was

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<v Speaker 1>this cute. It was too heartbreaking. He was so cute, and.

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<v Speaker 2>He's on the chair and his kitchen and he's looking

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<v Speaker 2>for food to eat and there's just nothing. There's no food,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he unlocks the front door and starts walking

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<v Speaker 2>down the hallway of this building. It's a giant apartment building.

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<v Speaker 2>People are selling drugs outside, it's bustling, it's nighttime, and

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<v Speaker 2>this little angel is just walking trying to find food.

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<v Speaker 2>And he goes to bodega. And this made me miss

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<v Speaker 2>Bodega's I know, that's not the point of this. We

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<v Speaker 2>should be sad for this hungry child, but I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>what I would give to be in New York and

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<v Speaker 2>have a bagel and cheese right now and put Cheetos

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<v Speaker 2>inside of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes and he has some coins, which I was

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<v Speaker 2>shocked by. But he had money. Yeah, but he he

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<v Speaker 2>buys like snowballs, the pink snowballs, it looks like, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a perfect kid snack.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, yeah, I'll take the pink.

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<v Speaker 2>I was about to say pink fuzzy ball, but that

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<v Speaker 2>sounds disgusting, not delicious. And the bodega guy, obviously is like,

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<v Speaker 2>whoa bro, Where's where's your mom? And cut to William

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<v Speaker 2>Dodds and I think I might be calling him Gallagher

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<v Speaker 2>throughout this episode, So if you hear Gallagher, I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>about William Dodds eyebrow, yes, who we have previously referred

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<v Speaker 2>to as the biggest eyebrow guy in Hollywood, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think he is. But then some people did point out

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<v Speaker 2>to us Eugene and Dan Levy are also heavy into

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<v Speaker 2>the eyebrow game. We respect that, like obviously we recognize

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<v Speaker 2>them as eyebrow canon.

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<v Speaker 5>Go on.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So William is walking out with our queen Marishka

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<v Speaker 2>and she's wearing a black dress, and you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>she's at a function and she's in a gown, shit's

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<v Speaker 2>about to go down.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, they like, yeah, they're never just going to show

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<v Speaker 1>Olivia like going home and like tucking into bed.

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<v Speaker 4>After a nice night out.

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<v Speaker 2>That's never gonna happen. No, she's going to a crime

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<v Speaker 2>scene in a gown, and that is That's exactly what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>So I see he's already at the bodega and we

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<v Speaker 2>have a former guest, William Scott Winter's officer.

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<v Speaker 3>Doom is there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So that was really thrilling to see. And he's

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<v Speaker 2>of course like missing kid. I don't need this. Get

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<v Speaker 2>the sex police over here. So I sees at the

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<v Speaker 2>bodega and Benson shows up and we're at the credits.

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<v Speaker 2>We're like, we need to find what's up with this

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<v Speaker 2>child and what's going to happen. So after the credits,

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<v Speaker 2>we are with Benson and the kid and she's doing

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<v Speaker 2>her kid voice, like, oh, it's you know, playing games

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<v Speaker 2>to get information.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 2>I was about to do an impression, but then I

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<v Speaker 2>remember not very good at those. So she's playing psychology

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<v Speaker 2>games with the kid. We do find out his name

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<v Speaker 2>is Bruno. I love that name. The doctor, doctor Darby Wilder,

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<v Speaker 2>who's one of the most beautiful women in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>She informs Benson this is a neglected kid. He has cavities,

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<v Speaker 2>he's dirty, he's not being taken care of. And the

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor's like, I need to talk to these parents, and

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<v Speaker 2>Benson's like, get in line, bitch, on the talk to

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<v Speaker 2>the parents. Clearly, we don't know where the parents are.

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<v Speaker 2>So Rollins is at the apartments. She's talking to neighbors.

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<v Speaker 2>She's trying to figure everything out. Careese is their iced tea.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole gang is there. They're talking to everyone outside

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<v Speaker 2>of the projects, trying to like figure stuff out. We

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<v Speaker 2>get the name of the mother. Her name is Manuela

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<v Speaker 2>and the last name is Dominican, so we have some

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<v Speaker 2>clues and Rollins is super pregnant here. She is very,

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<v Speaker 2>very pregnant, and she's just like desperate to be on

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<v Speaker 2>the scene. And it's like, just sit and do paperwork.

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<v Speaker 2>What is wrong with you? I don't understand this work ethic.

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<v Speaker 2>I will never understand this work ethic. Like, you are

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<v Speaker 2>so pregnant. Take I mean you're actually the day before

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<v Speaker 2>you gave birth, we went out to brunch.

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<v Speaker 1>You were doing errands, so right, but I wasn't at

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<v Speaker 1>a crime scene.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you gotta let me tail this suspect, Like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>she really is like a little bit of overachiever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so Benson's like, sit your ass down and

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<v Speaker 2>call the food stamps people and figure something out. You're

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<v Speaker 2>you're not coming with us. Benson and Creesy go to

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<v Speaker 2>social Services and we see one of the biggest stars

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<v Speaker 2>of our lifetime, Whoopy Goldberg.

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<v Speaker 1>Huge, huge influence on me, huge person I've been obsessed.

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<v Speaker 2>With since childhood. Love Love Love. What was your movie

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<v Speaker 2>growing up? My movie?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean probably sister act. Yeah, same, But like I

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<v Speaker 1>loved her in so many things.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought she was great.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the thing is to my uncle was a really

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<v Speaker 1>small part in this movie with her in jumpin Jack Flash.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just like would watch that movie even though

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<v Speaker 1>it was like it was like a little too scary

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<v Speaker 1>for me to watch, but I'd be like, Whoopy Goldberg,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, I just loved her always. I've met her

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of times too. And yeah, I've met her

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of times. I think I've met her three.

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<v Speaker 4>Times, and every time I always, I mean I obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like remember me, like I was kind of teller.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I met her working on a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>projects in New York and then she was.

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<v Speaker 2>On Drag Race.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I don't know if people know this, this

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<v Speaker 1>is an interesting fact. Abou would be Goldberg and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's made up, but this is what I heard. She

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<v Speaker 1>when she was a young kid, she witnessed a plane

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<v Speaker 1>fall out of the sky. She basically saw a plane crash,

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<v Speaker 1>so she does not fly. So when she did Drag Race,

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<v Speaker 1>she literally took a bus, like I mean a tour

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<v Speaker 1>bus obviously, probably a beautiful, lovely bus. Not like a greyhound,

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<v Speaker 1>and she took she buses out with all of her

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<v Speaker 1>people to like go do projects on the West coast

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<v Speaker 1>and then comes back like she does not fly. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to know where she vacations, though, I know that's

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<v Speaker 1>really Meammy, Like yeah, Florida. Yeah, I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>or I forgot about drag Race and she means so

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<v Speaker 1>much everyone because every drag queen was in tears wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to hug her.

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<v Speaker 2>She had to hug everybody. Yeah, is that what happens?

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<v Speaker 2>She was hugging everybody and then this is really embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm obsessed with the movie rat Race. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>Is making a set and making a face to us,

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<v Speaker 1>like we watch it every Christmas.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad is obsessed with Amy Smart. I love brecken Meyer.

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<v Speaker 3>It is the funniest movie. John Lovetz is incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>I also just have to say the who people birthing

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<v Speaker 2>is true?

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<v Speaker 4>Is there a part of rat Race where they go

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<v Speaker 4>it is a race?

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<v Speaker 2>And I am for the way, Yes, that is mister bean.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, my friend and I used to always say that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I never seen the movie. I thought Hannah was

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<v Speaker 2>giving this emotion like wrap it up bitches. We have

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<v Speaker 2>an episode to cover, but instead more rat race material,

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<v Speaker 2>which is shocking and exciting.

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<v Speaker 4>This is how we know we have the right producer

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<v Speaker 4>for our show.

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<v Speaker 2>I also can't believe it's a Christmas holiday movie and

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<v Speaker 2>there's great Nazi jokes, which is okay, now I'm telling

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<v Speaker 2>you to wrap it up, let's go. But seeing Whoopy

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<v Speaker 2>Goldberg INNSVU is it's amazing, you know, it's huge make stars.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of people before they're famous, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people during their years of famous, but like to

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<v Speaker 2>have whoopee is it's exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>I think every season they try to get a few

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<v Speaker 1>jewel names, like they try to get a few big

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<v Speaker 1>names to kind of like be the jewel in the

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<v Speaker 1>crown of the season, and Whoopy is for sure that

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<v Speaker 1>for this season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So she's working at Child Services and we also

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<v Speaker 2>meet Keith, who is the caseworker, and when asked about Bruno,

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, ah, what, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's not a good sign.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we all know Child Protective Services their overworks, too

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<v Speaker 2>many caseloads, not enough funding. This is a tale is

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<v Speaker 2>old at this time and Keith is played by John Macgaro,

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<v Speaker 2>who I'm obsessed with, and he was in Orange is

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<v Speaker 2>the New Black as one of the husbands, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>just a really good act and.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in Penn fifteen. Oh yeah, this is star studded.

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<v Speaker 1>So we get a last name.

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<v Speaker 2>Bruno is Zuno and Keith says he's like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>was there a couple of weeks ago. The kids looks

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<v Speaker 2>fine and they're like, kids, excuse me. So they have

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the building immediately because where what is

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<v Speaker 2>this other child? And the elevator is broken. They have

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<v Speaker 2>to walk up the stairs of this giant building. It's

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<v Speaker 2>super hot, but Benson's in a jacket. It's very confusing,

0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.760
<v Speaker 2>very old Augusto Sage County vibes, where it's like, take

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<v Speaker 2>your coat off if it's so hot, Julia Roberts, just

0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:00.920
<v Speaker 2>take your coat off. So they're here's a half sister

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<v Speaker 2>named Keisha Houston and she's eight years old. When they

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<v Speaker 2>get to the door, Benson says, it's unlocked. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>a good sign. The TV's playing the furnace. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>we know something bad's about to happen. All the foreshadowing

0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:20.080
<v Speaker 2>leads to something you can't even imagine. They unfortunately find

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<v Speaker 2>Keisha laying in a dog cage, passed out, and Keith goes,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, and it's like, yeah, bitch, why weren't

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<v Speaker 2>you doing your job? There is a pulse, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>super faint. She's so tiny for being eight years old,

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<v Speaker 2>and Cariesy is so sensitive. He looks like he's about

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<v Speaker 2>to cry. He can't handle this, and so they go

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<v Speaker 2>to the hospital. There's still no sign of the mother

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<v Speaker 2>and the baby is starvation, dehydration, infections, and the doctor

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't know if she's gonna make it. Iced Tee, the

0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.520
<v Speaker 2>investigator of the streets that he is, he does find

0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:52.919
<v Speaker 2>the mother and she has a cardboard sign and she

0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:56.639
<v Speaker 2>is super sweaty, hot, strung out. I would love to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to the makeup department about how they got her

0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.960
<v Speaker 2>so sweaty and stuff and her hair was mad. It

0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:05.639
<v Speaker 2>was just like very good costuming work. And it's Maria

0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:09.879
<v Speaker 2>Ruez from Orange is the New Black, so lots of crossover.

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<v Speaker 2>Cariese's talking to Keith, the child services person, and we

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<v Speaker 2>find out what we already know. He's working too much.

0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:21.000
<v Speaker 2>His coworker's on maternity leave. Not a rollins person. Lisa

0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:25.240
<v Speaker 2>tregger person, but she's off, she's taken a break. We're

0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:28.840
<v Speaker 2>now in interrogation. Ic and Rollins are talking to Manuela,

0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:32.200
<v Speaker 2>who's the mother, and she's like, listen, it's Keisha's fault.

0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:34.879
<v Speaker 2>If she behaved, she wouldn't be starved in a cage,

0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:38.040
<v Speaker 2>So that's it. You don't blame the what's going on here?

0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:41.320
<v Speaker 2>And she says that when she was a kid, she

0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:44.960
<v Speaker 2>got beat up with electrical wires and chords until she bled,

0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:46.359
<v Speaker 2>So she's like, do you want me to do that?

0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:50.080
<v Speaker 2>So this is a nice statement about generational trauma and

0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.880
<v Speaker 2>how everyone needs to be in therapy, but you know, yeah,

0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Maslow's hierarchy.

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<v Speaker 3>If needs it's hard, okay.

0:21:56.920 --> 0:22:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Benson during the interrogation, she knocks on the window and

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<v Speaker 2>the detectives go and meet her in the little spy

0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:07.240
<v Speaker 2>room and Keisha has died. So now this mother is

0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:09.640
<v Speaker 2>going down for murder. But she's so high she doesn't

0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:13.040
<v Speaker 2>even understand what's going on. Benson and Rollins now are

0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.399
<v Speaker 2>with Barba, and Barba's like, so, what's going on with

0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:16.399
<v Speaker 2>child services?

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<v Speaker 3>Whose fault is it? What's going on?

0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:22.840
<v Speaker 2>The news is pissed, like there's just a lot of

0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:27.520
<v Speaker 2>emotions and they're trying to figure shit out. So Rollin's

0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:30.080
<v Speaker 2>and Benson are talking to Barba and they're like, we

0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:32.080
<v Speaker 2>need to fucking take down Child Services.

0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:33.040
<v Speaker 3>They're not doing their job.

0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:34.800
<v Speaker 2>If they did their job, they would see Keisha was

0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.439
<v Speaker 2>in a fucking cagun starving. No one has visited these

0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:41.160
<v Speaker 2>children in forever. And Barbara, who everyone is horny for,

0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.800
<v Speaker 2>is like, get over your emotions in this maternal outrage.

0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:48.560
<v Speaker 2>I need some evidence, relaxed ladies. So the suspender man, it's.

0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.240
<v Speaker 1>A very big relax ladies. Or I mean, yeah, he's

0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:52.280
<v Speaker 1>he's evidence based.

0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:53.200
<v Speaker 2>I get that, but he's.

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<v Speaker 3>Not being very empathetic.

0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:59.199
<v Speaker 2>No. And also, you know, just emotions are valid, and

0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:01.440
<v Speaker 2>the patriarchy has told us they're not valid and we

0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:04.560
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't listen to them, but they are very real. And

0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:07.840
<v Speaker 2>if our body has emotions, it's because we want to

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<v Speaker 2>shut up.

0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:08.920
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:13.600
<v Speaker 2>So we're back with whoopee yay at Child Services and

0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Keith is there and they're figuring stuff out and the

0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:20.199
<v Speaker 2>Deputy commissioner walks into the meeting and he looks like

0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:24.240
<v Speaker 2>a child pretending to be a grown man. That's his face.

0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:27.280
<v Speaker 2>It's like, why is this child face on this grown

0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:30.080
<v Speaker 2>man body. That's the vibe I get from the Deputy

0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Commissioner and they and he says, listen, you need a subpoena.

0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:35.840
<v Speaker 2>What are you? What are you fucking doing here? And

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<v Speaker 2>get out of here. So back at the precinct, they're

0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:41.760
<v Speaker 2>looking at the notes and they're looking at all the reports,

0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:45.720
<v Speaker 2>and what they figure out the detectives is there's all

0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:49.160
<v Speaker 2>this conflict within the notes, and there's all these reports

0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:54.200
<v Speaker 2>that are backdated, and basically they're fudging the paperwork, and

0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:56.920
<v Speaker 2>they need to figure out what and.

0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:58.159
<v Speaker 3>Why all this What is this?

0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:01.119
<v Speaker 1>Like months and months of reports have been submitted the

0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:03.159
<v Speaker 1>day that this girl has passed. This little girl has

0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:05.480
<v Speaker 1>passed away. So that's suspicious, right.

0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So Barbara raises his eyebrows in a very sassy manner,

0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:15.919
<v Speaker 2>and so he, you know, he's tipped off by this

0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:18.800
<v Speaker 2>fucked up paperwork, and so he's gonna go meet Dodds

0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:22.040
<v Speaker 2>and figure stuff out. And Dodds, he you know, this

0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:24.679
<v Speaker 2>is a classic character. It's just like always wants to

0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:27.840
<v Speaker 2>make things difficult. And so now Barbara and Benson have

0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:31.080
<v Speaker 2>to convince him and Josh Paus, who is Hank Abraham,

0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.359
<v Speaker 2>who's in charge of some cop stuff. I mean, I

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:36.840
<v Speaker 2>don't even know all these commissioners. There are so many

0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:40.239
<v Speaker 2>leaders of this. What do you know what he is? No,

0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:42.400
<v Speaker 2>he's just like this guy, Hank Abraham.

0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:45.639
<v Speaker 1>He's like higher up and Social Services is under his purview,

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.159
<v Speaker 1>and he obviously does not want this getting out that

0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Social Services has like mass erosion to it as a system.

0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:53.240
<v Speaker 5>You know.

0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's all about the bad press and it doesn't

0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:59.280
<v Speaker 2>matter that children are dead and being abused. It's like,

0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:01.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't want this on the news, you know, I'm

0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:05.199
<v Speaker 2>trying to trying to have a political career, and so

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:09.359
<v Speaker 2>Eyebrows and Josh Peius Hank Abraham tell them you can't

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:10.159
<v Speaker 2>investigate it.

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:11.239
<v Speaker 3>Stop it.

0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you you need to stop it. And then

0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:16.440
<v Speaker 2>this is like one of my favorite moments of the episode.

0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Benson and Barbara outside and she's like, oh, this sucks,

0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:21.920
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, I don't work for them, I work

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 2>for the DA's office. So Barbara switch, you know, being

0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:28.879
<v Speaker 2>a dick about the emotions. He's won our hearse once again,

0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:31.040
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, I'm going to take over.

0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't answer to nobody.

0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 2>So that's really exciting Barbara does a press conference and

0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:40.600
<v Speaker 2>he lets the world know exactly what is happening. Cut

0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:44.240
<v Speaker 2>to Keith and he's putting flowers on Keisha's memorial outside

0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:47.239
<v Speaker 2>of her home, and Careesy has to arrest him, and

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Iisen Rollins and the team are like arresting the deputy

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.199
<v Speaker 2>commissioner in Whoopi Goldberg and taking all the laptops and

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.800
<v Speaker 2>files from the Child Protective Services and they're charged for

0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of stuff. And then Hank Abraham's at the

0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:02.600
<v Speaker 2>beat of the press conference pissed his hell, and Barba's like,

0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:05.840
<v Speaker 2>what bitch? And then Baylis said at fifty thousand dollars

0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:08.840
<v Speaker 2>per defendant, which is pretty steep for underworked, I mean,

0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:11.200
<v Speaker 2>underpaid government workers.

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:12.520
<v Speaker 3>So they're going to rikers.

0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Barba, Hank and Marishka and Rawlins are outside and He's like,

0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:20.400
<v Speaker 2>I told you to stop, and Barbara is like shut up,

0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:22.520
<v Speaker 2>and so they have a nice little thing. But then

0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Hank calls Barbara poppy, which is this racist? It might

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:28.160
<v Speaker 2>be I don't know, is this a slur?

0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:30.359
<v Speaker 1>It seems like a weird thing for like, yeah, white

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:34.040
<v Speaker 1>guy to say to a Latino guy.

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Raphael, you know, don't. The only poppy

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 2>that's appropriate is Britney spears a song from the album's circus.

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.280
<v Speaker 2>That's the only time whites can say poppy, I think,

0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 2>or I mean, I guess since six.

0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:47.040
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 2>So at the hospital, Manuela's handcuffed to a bed and

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.720
<v Speaker 2>as asking Rollins, like, can you please get the judge

0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 2>to release me to go to Keisha's funeral?

0:26:57.600 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 3>So this is fucking dark.

0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:01.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she's so now, she's not been able to

0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:03.679
<v Speaker 2>get drugs, and so I think everything is like hitting her.

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:06.600
<v Speaker 2>She's handcuffed to this bed, her daughter's dead. This is

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:11.119
<v Speaker 2>just fucking dark. And Rollins wants to know how did

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:14.840
<v Speaker 2>it get this bad? What fucking happened? And she explains

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 2>she was sober, she was doing good. And then of

0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:20.560
<v Speaker 2>course a man, of course, her ex, who is Bruno's father,

0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 2>not Keisha's, got back out of jail and they started

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:27.440
<v Speaker 2>partying and doing drugs, and she's like, but we weren't junkies,

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 2>we were just having fun. But the guy didn't like

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Keisha because that wasn't his daughter, so he treated Keisha

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 2>not well. And instead of kicking the man to the curb,

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 2>who's mistreating your child? She told Keisha you better behave

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 2>or you're gonna get whatever this guy wants to do

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:45.199
<v Speaker 2>to you.

0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:49.879
<v Speaker 3>And god, this is bad.

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:53.880
<v Speaker 2>So Felipe got shot fourth of July weekend and that

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:58.879
<v Speaker 2>like broke her world apart. So that's when she relapsed

0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:02.399
<v Speaker 2>again and just became a fledged drug addict. Was after

0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 2>this guy got shot. Now Keith is in jail as well.

0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:08.680
<v Speaker 2>That's the child services guy. He's in an orange suit,

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:10.640
<v Speaker 2>and the lawyer is annoying. This is one of those

0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:14.399
<v Speaker 2>situations where the lawyer's protecting the child services and the

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:18.160
<v Speaker 2>people at large and not really looking out for the guy.

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 3>So the lawyers we know not to trust him.

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:25.480
<v Speaker 2>And Careese straight up is like, yo, you're the lowest

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:27.639
<v Speaker 2>man on the totem pole. This is a union lawyer,

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 2>so you need to watch out for yourself because they're

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:32.720
<v Speaker 2>gonna blame you. Like Caresee's always looking out for everybody.

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 2>He's an angel among us. So Dodds and Abraham are like,

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 2>back down, back down. You don't have a political bone

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:42.440
<v Speaker 2>in your body, and it's like, yeah, that's a good

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.480
<v Speaker 2>thing for a sex crimes detective. Okay, we don't need

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:48.040
<v Speaker 2>politics with the rape police.

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So this is Meanwhile, like I.

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Think, like some of the stakes here are supposed to

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 1>be that Olivia is up for lieutenant. Like they mentioned

0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 1>at the very very beginning of the episode that like, uh,

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 1>he looks like lieutenant might be right around the corner,

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, So like it's supposed to be, like they think,

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 1>sort of threatening her to back down, that she'll be

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 1>the kind of person that goes, Okay, I'll back down

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:09.080
<v Speaker 1>because I want this promotion.

0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 2>And that's just not Olivia Benson. No, she has put

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 2>herself into multiple hostage situations to save a person.

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:18.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, bitch, don't give a shit about a promotion. Plus,

0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:19.960
<v Speaker 4>she has a nice apartment.

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 3>She does have a nice apartment.

0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Carisee's little speech to Keith worked, so Keith wants to

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 2>talk to Carisy and he explains that Whoopy Goldberg, that

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 2>not Whoopie but her character who I don't remember because

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 2>her name's fucking Whoopy Goldberg. I'm talking about Whoopie. I

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 2>just don't need any sound bites coming out of this.

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 2>But she told Keith stop coddling the clients. This is casework,

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 2>not social work. She wanted him to stop taking their

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 2>calls and told him explicitly to like pay less attention

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 2>to the children and the She also told him that

0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to visit the kids, just write it down.

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 2>And so he got himself a new lawyer, and that's

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 2>why he's explaining everything. And Whoop's character's name is Jeanette.

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 2>So Jeanette called him in Saturday to come into the

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 2>office and stood over him as he filed false reports

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 2>that he visited Keisha's home. They filed lies for half

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 2>the staff all day long. And he's willing to testify

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 2>because this is going to haunt him for the rest

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 2>of his life. We know that he is a good

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 2>spirit and he did probably get into this job to

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 2>be a good person. Court's happening, and this is a

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 2>very like Richard gear Razzle dazzle moment. The two men

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 2>are going at it. It's like they're about to break

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 2>into song. He's, you know, Barba's in full suspender mode

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 2>at this point, and the doctor takes the stand. She

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:47.960
<v Speaker 2>is beautiful. I'm obsessed with her and we need Yeah.

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 2>I hope she's a guest one day. She's in a

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 2>lot of episodes. I think eleven if just my memory,

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember. It's not written. I just want everyone

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 2>to know if I'm right. That's my own heart and skill.

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 2>So so Keith is on the stand and he's spilling

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:05.239
<v Speaker 2>the beans about falsifying records and he was put on

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 2>probation for spending too much time with clients, but was

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 2>taken off of probation when he started to falsify the reports.

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 2>So this place is just very corrupt, and we get

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of details about this. The defense attorney is

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 2>doing a good job, like do you care about Keisha

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 2>or do you care about staying out of jail? So

0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 2>he's doing his job. You know, we hate him, but

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 2>he's doing good work. That's why he makes the big bucks.

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 2>So Manuela is doing eight years in jail, and this

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 2>moment is ice cold. So Manuela is with Ice and

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 2>she gets to see Bruno because the ride was late

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 2>and she missed Keisha's funeral. So they're making it up

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 2>to her by letting her have some time with Bruno.

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 3>And Ice is ice.

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 2>Cold in this scene. I really like this scene. And

0:31:55.960 --> 0:32:00.240
<v Speaker 2>she's flipping out about Bruno and Ice. He says he's

0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 2>been placed in a great family and hopefully when he

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 2>gets older, he'll forget all of this and you, I

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 2>don't know if we've ever seen ice this cold, right

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:17.400
<v Speaker 2>like maybe to like full blown hoodlums, but this moment

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 2>was you see the little heart in iced tea in

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 2>finn because to be like, I hope this kid never

0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:28.040
<v Speaker 2>fucking remembers you. That's harsh, that's really but she killed her,

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 2>her daughter. It's like, yeah, be harsh to her. But

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:35.120
<v Speaker 2>this was just an incredible scene, no mercy. Whoopee takes

0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 2>the stand, This is amazing. So she says, I had

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 2>no idea Keith should have came to me sooner. I

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, I feel very sad for Keisha. But Barbara

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 2>starts questioning and he's going deep and Whoopee is in

0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 2>the deep end on the stand because he brings in

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 2>the paperwork. He has the receipts, as the kids say

0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 2>these days, and he goes, how did a hundred and

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.719
<v Speaker 2>sixty or like one hundred and seventy files get filed

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:06.440
<v Speaker 2>for eight different caseworkers and their families in one day?

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:08.800
<v Speaker 2>And he starts saying, like one of some of the

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 2>reports are for people that moved away or that are dead,

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 2>and like just none of the paperwork is mixing up,

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 2>and he's getting her and her face is just she's just.

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 3>Such a good actress.

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 2>It's like, because the whole episode I was wondering, like

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:25.160
<v Speaker 2>this is such a small part, Like why is Whoopee here?

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 3>Like what did what's happening here?

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 5>She's got to do.

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 2>The view, baby, She's got to the view. She can't

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:33.560
<v Speaker 2>do full shooting days. She's just doing She's doing what

0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 2>she can. Yeah, And it's like the whole episode, I'm like,

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:37.840
<v Speaker 2>what's what's happening?

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 3>What's happening?

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 2>And this is where you're like, no one else could

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 2>fucking do this but will be Goldberg but one of

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 2>the greatest actresses of our time.

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Like she takes the stand.

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:49.719
<v Speaker 2>It's this blank stare, but it says so much so

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 2>it's like in the distance, not caring, but beat down,

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:56.480
<v Speaker 2>but there's something happening in her brain.

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:58.720
<v Speaker 3>It's just like such a powerful performance.

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:03.000
<v Speaker 2>And Whoopee finally breaks and she goes, I didn't want

0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 2>any of this, And he says, what, you didn't want

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 2>to advance your career by ignoring child death and pain

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 2>or you didn't want to get caught and she says,

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:17.480
<v Speaker 2>God himself could not do this job and these like

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:19.839
<v Speaker 2>and she goes into this whole thing about how like

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 2>these children are raised by wolves, it's the drudges of society.

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:26.719
<v Speaker 2>This is the worst thing ever. They come to you

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 2>as criminals, and then what the fuck do you do

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:33.760
<v Speaker 2>with them? You know, they come to you as like yeah,

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:36.799
<v Speaker 2>it's she's basically blaming everybody. And the scene gives you

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:40.440
<v Speaker 2>chills because it's like, you get these motherfuckers and you

0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 2>let them out into the world, and then they mistreat

0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:45.719
<v Speaker 2>these children and then I have to fucking deal with them.

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 2>You're fucking creating this. And the judge says, do you

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:51.400
<v Speaker 2>need a break? Everyone's like, uh, what's just stop it?

0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 2>So she says, like, after twenty five years of pushing

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:56.960
<v Speaker 2>papers and quotas, you all know it and you want

0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 2>escapegoat me so you can feel better about yourself. She's like, oh, what,

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:03.760
<v Speaker 2>you don't know that there's poor people. You don't see

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 2>fucking poor people and homeless people on the trains and

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:08.440
<v Speaker 2>turn your back. You turn your back on poor people

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:11.880
<v Speaker 2>all the fucking time because it's too much. It's too

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 2>much to fucking take it all in. I'm getting chills

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:17.360
<v Speaker 2>thinking about it. It's like one of the most powerful

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 2>moments on sview and it's just like kind of a

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:23.920
<v Speaker 2>lecture to us as people and viewers, because we've all

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 2>probably been in a situation where we see something terrible

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:30.760
<v Speaker 2>and hard to look at, and you turn your fucking

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 2>back to keep going out with your friends or to

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 2>meet someone at dinner, and you go onto the next

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 2>train cart And so I love the moments where you're

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 2>not above what's happening in the show, like you are

0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:44.360
<v Speaker 2>this person too, and what he's going to let you

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 2>hear it. And she goes, you want to put me

0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:50.839
<v Speaker 2>in jail. Fucking look in the mirror, my friend, look

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:54.359
<v Speaker 2>in the damn mirror. And then she's just calm as

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:58.840
<v Speaker 2>hell and nodding her head, and she's sent to Bellevue.

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 2>She had a full nervous breakdown. She pled to manslaughter.

0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 2>So then Matt the deputy commissioner, the one that looks

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 2>like a child.

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 3>He's going to do a year.

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:13.759
<v Speaker 2>And then an outside board is going to calm help

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:18.400
<v Speaker 2>restructure stuff because Keith's already in prison. He like testified,

0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:22.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, so I don't have any updates on him here, Okay,

0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 2>So then Dodds is doing a little game with Benson

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 2>at the end and she doesn't care, like, shut up, Dods,

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 2>just be real with her.

0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:31.920
<v Speaker 3>It's like, you're so annoying.

0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:38.239
<v Speaker 2>But the SVU detectives broke a giant situation, something that

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:40.319
<v Speaker 2>has been fucked up for decades in the city, but

0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:43.040
<v Speaker 2>SVU will always get to the bottom of it. So

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 2>hopefully some great changes will happen with Child Protective Services.

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:50.799
<v Speaker 2>And then Dodds tells Benson at the end, like you're

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:53.800
<v Speaker 2>a lieutenant now, but we're going to need a sergeant

0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:57.359
<v Speaker 2>and we have a great replacement. She goes, great, when

0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:59.440
<v Speaker 2>can I interview him? And he goes, you don't have to,

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>it's my son, Like I want to do like a

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:05.280
<v Speaker 2>song from a sitcom, like this is like too silly.

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Well it's also like it's also like the episode starts

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:10.799
<v Speaker 1>out with Dodds and Benson being like all chummy, and

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:12.879
<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, this is like he's really changed, because

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:14.640
<v Speaker 1>like he was really kind of evil in some of

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:17.239
<v Speaker 1>the earlier episodes and you're like, oh, I guess he's

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 1>like a good guy now, and then at the end

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 1>it's like, no, he's still just like a dick that's

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:22.520
<v Speaker 1>going to make Olivia do whatever he wants because he

0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:23.320
<v Speaker 1>has power.

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Over her in their jobs. And then the episode ends

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:29.880
<v Speaker 2>with Rollin's rubbing her pregnant belly and sighing heavily.

0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:32.000
<v Speaker 3>With the way to the world.

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I think that that's like the show sort of like

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 1>dramatically sort of tossing to like motherhood and like what

0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 1>is it? What are the implications of like bringing a

0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 1>child into this world? And is everybody ready for it?

0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 1>And a lot of people aren't. And these are the

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:47.880
<v Speaker 1>people that are. You see their children in acs and

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:50.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's what I got from the belly rub.

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 1>But maybe I'm reading too far into it.

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:53.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's exactly it.

0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Of course, it's you know, an illusion now not what

0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 2>is a metaphor a metaphors but yeah, so it ends

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:03.919
<v Speaker 2>on a pregnant belly.

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Reb Yeah, it's a pretty like it's a tough episode

0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 1>because it's like the show is attempting to tackle a

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:16.239
<v Speaker 1>super enormous issue in most major cities, not just New

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 1>York with with you know, child services and stuff like that.

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 1>That just the like the problems in these systems, and

0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:25.399
<v Speaker 1>you know they have to do it in forty three

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 1>minutes or whatever.

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of it's ambitious and what Pie Goldberg

0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:32.400
<v Speaker 2>should have won an Emmy for this. Did she not?

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:34.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Oh, I don't know.

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:39.359
<v Speaker 2>I feel we would have known if she did. But

0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:41.960
<v Speaker 2>she did not win an Emmy for this, Just so

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, I mean, even though she did not

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:48.280
<v Speaker 2>win an Emmy for this, she is an egot, baby, Yes,

0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 2>not a lot of those out there. It's true.

0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:53.280
<v Speaker 1>I can only think of like her and John Legend

0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 1>and John Legends and he got yeah, he just became

0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 1>an egot recently.

0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh oh my god, I mean he's perfect.

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 1>All right, Let's take a quick break and when we

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:05.799
<v Speaker 1>come back, get ready to get sad.

0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we are back back back again.

0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 1>And the sad thing about this episode is that it

0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:31.799
<v Speaker 1>could probably be based on a few cases, but it

0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 1>is widely thought to be based on the case of

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:37.760
<v Speaker 1>nicks Mary Brown, who was a seven year old girl

0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 1>and the longtime victim of child abuse who was ultimately

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:43.759
<v Speaker 1>murdered by her stepfather. So I'll just give this is

0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:46.120
<v Speaker 1>just up top a trigger warning for this episode. There's

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 1>going to be I'm going to try to really be

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 1>quick about the details because it is really I don't

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 1>know why, Like it's since I had a kid these

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:54.840
<v Speaker 1>episodes are more difficult for me to talk about, but

0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:57.799
<v Speaker 1>this I'm just not going to get into a lot

0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:00.239
<v Speaker 1>of super detail if you'd like to, ei, there's plenty

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 1>of articles you can research if you'd like really really

0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.800
<v Speaker 1>specific details on this. But essentially, she was killed in

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:08.319
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six. This episode aired nine years later

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 1>in twenty fifteen, but has a lot of parallels in

0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:14.360
<v Speaker 1>terms of the failures of social services to help a

0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:17.799
<v Speaker 1>child in need that ended in tragic results. And I

0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:20.479
<v Speaker 1>looked really extensively into also how to pronounce her name.

0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:23.919
<v Speaker 1>Most news outlets were pronouncing it Nix Mary. I read

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:26.920
<v Speaker 1>some places that it was Knies Marie, But I just

0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:28.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to stick with like the way that

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 1>newscasters were saying it, because I don't want to be

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to like offensively try to do a

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:37.320
<v Speaker 1>pronunciation that's incorrect. And also none of my research was conclusive.

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:40.239
<v Speaker 1>So Nix Maury was a seven year old girl living

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:43.719
<v Speaker 1>with her mother named Nick Salis Santiago and her stepfather,

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:47.040
<v Speaker 1>Cesar Rodriguez in the Bedsti neighborhood of Brooklyn in New

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:49.319
<v Speaker 1>York City. They lived in a three bedroom apartment with

0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Nix Murray and her five siblings. It's really kind of

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:55.520
<v Speaker 1>hard to get an idea of this of the family

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:59.040
<v Speaker 1>tree here. I believe that Nick Salise had four children,

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:01.799
<v Speaker 1>including Nick Marie when she met Cesar, so I think

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 1>that the most number of children in the home that

0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:07.840
<v Speaker 1>were his were two. I think the baby was definitely his,

0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:09.879
<v Speaker 1>And then I read about a teenager. It was really

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:11.840
<v Speaker 1>hard to get the ages of the siblings, and their

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 1>names are not anywhere either, So that's just like some

0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:20.239
<v Speaker 1>general infe about the family. Everything's heartbreaking about this case.

0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 1>But what's really really heartbreaking about it is that Nick

0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Maury was treated worse than any of her siblings, Like

0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:29.640
<v Speaker 1>for some reason, she was quoted in one article as

0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.560
<v Speaker 1>the family scapegoat, Like I don't know they her parents

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:35.239
<v Speaker 1>constantly said that she was a troublemaker and that she

0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:37.760
<v Speaker 1>would break her siblings toys on purpose.

0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:39.560
<v Speaker 4>I don't really care. I don't really think any of

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:40.240
<v Speaker 4>that matters.

0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:45.240
<v Speaker 1>But she was definitely given the opposite of preferential treatment.

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:48.640
<v Speaker 1>She was like, she was definitely sort of targeted by

0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 1>her stepfather. And on January tenth, two thousand and six,

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Ni Salise, the mother went upstairs to her neighbor and

0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:59.040
<v Speaker 1>told her that her daughter, Nix Maury, had drowned. And

0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:02.240
<v Speaker 1>so when the neighbor, whose name was Olbis Rivera, arrived

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:05.400
<v Speaker 1>at the apartment, she was shocked and truly traumatized by

0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:07.960
<v Speaker 1>what she saw. She saw seven year old Nick Murray,

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:11.040
<v Speaker 1>who was much like in the episode, severely underweight. She

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:14.799
<v Speaker 1>was thirty six pounds, So for some contexts my not

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:16.800
<v Speaker 1>even two year old daughter, it is like thirty thirty

0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:20.200
<v Speaker 1>one pounds, and she is large, but you should be

0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:23.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty pounds heavier than thirty six pounds at the age

0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:27.440
<v Speaker 1>of seven. And so she was severely undernourished and skinny,

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 1>and she had been beaten by her stepfather. He had

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:33.839
<v Speaker 1>beaten her with his fists and belts, and her head

0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:37.640
<v Speaker 1>had been slammed against the bathtub, and all of this

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:40.719
<v Speaker 1>was in retaliation for taking a cup of yogurt from

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:43.719
<v Speaker 1>the fridge and that she was apparently not allowed to have,

0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:46.480
<v Speaker 1>and for a printer that he allegedly said that she

0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 1>had broken or jammed. So after he beat her, he

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:52.840
<v Speaker 1>put her body into what the family called quote unquote

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:55.759
<v Speaker 1>the dirty room, which was this rodent infested room where

0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:58.359
<v Speaker 1>she had previously been tied up and left with only

0:42:58.400 --> 0:42:59.800
<v Speaker 1>a litter box to use as a toilet.

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:03.360
<v Speaker 2>This is just like all really really horrible. It's torture.

0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 2>It's like full blown torture.

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's really gross that they the stepfather always

0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:13.719
<v Speaker 1>insisted she was this troublemaker who stole food and broke

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:15.720
<v Speaker 1>her siblings toys and stuff, and it's like I don't

0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:18.319
<v Speaker 1>care what she does, Like no child deserves this kind

0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:25.040
<v Speaker 1>of treatment. So ultimately, the medical examiner determined that she

0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:27.120
<v Speaker 1>was killed by a fatal bloat to the head two

0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:31.440
<v Speaker 1>days before she actually died, so she had a subdural hematoma,

0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:34.600
<v Speaker 1>and that emmy said she died of child abuse syndrome.

0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:36.879
<v Speaker 2>So this was like long a long time coming.

0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:40.799
<v Speaker 1>So the mother apparently, well, I learned later, after her

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 1>daughter is beaten and left there, she bathed her, she

0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:46.520
<v Speaker 1>tried to get her warm, she apparently did some things

0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:48.520
<v Speaker 1>and then put her to bed. But the child did

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:52.319
<v Speaker 1>die and was apparently gasping for air. It was like

0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:56.319
<v Speaker 1>a horrible, horrible, horrible end that this poor angel had

0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:59.759
<v Speaker 1>to go through. And the mother, once she was dead,

0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:04.240
<v Speaker 1>calmly goes upstairs tells her neighbor RIVERA, my daughter drowned.

0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:05.439
<v Speaker 2>I need to call nine one one.

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:09.719
<v Speaker 1>The neighbor calls nine one one, and Rivera testified that

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Nick Salice was completely calm, but the minute she got

0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:13.640
<v Speaker 1>on the phone with a nine to one one call,

0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 1>the mom started wailing and moaning and going on and on,

0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 1>and then when they hung up, it completely stopped and

0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:22.800
<v Speaker 1>she was calm again. So she testified that she believed

0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:25.040
<v Speaker 1>the crying was fake and that the grieving and all

0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:27.239
<v Speaker 1>this emotional, this, all this emotion was fake.

0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 2>What's strange is why would you get the neighbor to

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 2>watch you lie to the police.

0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I think she had to borrow the neighbor's phone to

0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:35.880
<v Speaker 1>call nine one one.

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Got it.

0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:40.319
<v Speaker 1>So Rivera's testimony ended up being crucial, improving that Nick

0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Marie's mother did nothing to help her, like she was

0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:46.239
<v Speaker 1>sitting there for a prolonged period of time meeting assistance

0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 1>and her mother did nothing and honestly waited until she

0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:49.960
<v Speaker 1>was dead to call nine one one.

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:52.720
<v Speaker 4>Obviously, they go to trial.

0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:56.040
<v Speaker 1>At trial, Rodriguez, the stepfather, tries to pin the whole

0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:59.160
<v Speaker 1>murder on the mother, says she did it basically.

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Even though he had it's to beating her.

0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 1>He I sort of tried to make it seem like

0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:06.239
<v Speaker 1>the mother dealt the death blow, even though there's like

0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:08.839
<v Speaker 1>no evidence for that. And it was revealed a trial

0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.800
<v Speaker 1>that he routinely had beaten her, he had routinely he

0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:14.160
<v Speaker 1>had molested her, he had locked her in this dirty room,

0:45:14.239 --> 0:45:17.280
<v Speaker 1>like we discussed again, and this is such a fucked

0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:20.000
<v Speaker 1>up detail. But at trial they showed the jury photos

0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:22.560
<v Speaker 1>of the fridge and it was stocked. This is what's

0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:25.320
<v Speaker 1>different from the episode. These people had a fridge filled

0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:29.200
<v Speaker 1>with milk, pancake, mixed salami, tortillas, cream, cheese, lettuce, and

0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 1>the yogurt that she was punished for allegedly stealing. It

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:34.640
<v Speaker 1>wasn't like they were rationing out or they didn't have

0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:36.719
<v Speaker 1>enough food, Like, they had plenty of food in their

0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:39.680
<v Speaker 1>fridge and they were just punishing this girl for taking

0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:43.400
<v Speaker 1>something to eat when she's severely underweight and probably starving.

0:45:43.800 --> 0:45:48.960
<v Speaker 1>So it's really just it's like unbelievable. They find her

0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:51.239
<v Speaker 1>DNA obviously on his belt and jeans. I mean, his

0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:54.280
<v Speaker 1>lawyer must have been like, were fucked because there really

0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:56.480
<v Speaker 1>was no way to get this guy out of this.

0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:59.520
<v Speaker 1>They tried to argue because he had a world's greatest

0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 1>dad mug.

0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:03.759
<v Speaker 4>That he was an Okay, dude, are you kidding me?

0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:07.040
<v Speaker 2>That's like, I mean, I feel bad laughing, but that

0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 2>is no.

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:10.320
<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm trying to bring a little bit of

0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:12.279
<v Speaker 1>levity to like maybe one of the worst cases I've

0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:12.719
<v Speaker 1>read about.

0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:15.359
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like a Simpson's story, like exactly, It's

0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:16.000
<v Speaker 2>like in.

0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 1>The office he has world's best boss.

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:19.320
<v Speaker 2>Mug and he's the worst boss.

0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:20.680
<v Speaker 4>Like it's just crazy.

0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:23.520
<v Speaker 2>So the jury was shown.

0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Also a horrific detail was they were shown a tape

0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:30.319
<v Speaker 1>of Rodriguez and Santiago at Target the night before she

0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Nick Murray died with all of their other children besides

0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:36.279
<v Speaker 1>Nick Murray, because they obviously couldn't bring her out because

0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:39.399
<v Speaker 1>she had already been beaten so badly. And they're taking

0:46:39.440 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 1>out buying the other five kids sweets, toys, d Brat's

0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:45.320
<v Speaker 1>dolls like all this wait, sorry, they're just called brad Stalls.

0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:49.080
<v Speaker 1>I just am a fan of de Brat. It's really crazy,

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Like all the kids are in the video, everybody looks happy,

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm fine, and there's just this one child that they

0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 1>just treat horribly and that.

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I just wonder what the other kids thought and It's

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:01.920
<v Speaker 2>like I would never blame the other children for not

0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 2>doing something about it, but like I am curious what

0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:06.600
<v Speaker 2>they were thinking.

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:09.439
<v Speaker 1>I think that in those kind of situations, those kids

0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:11.279
<v Speaker 1>are like, as long as it's not me, I mean,

0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:14.680
<v Speaker 1>don't I think that, like you literally get you have

0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 1>to build up like a protective barrier with this trauma

0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:19.759
<v Speaker 1>that you have and say, well, if she's getting hit,

0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm not getting hit.

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Like it's just terrible.

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:25.319
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not a psychologist, and I don't think any

0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:27.320
<v Speaker 1>of the kids. I think maybe the oldest was fifteen

0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:29.920
<v Speaker 1>or something or and I'm not even positive about that

0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:32.440
<v Speaker 1>timeline because I read an article about the fifteen year

0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:36.440
<v Speaker 1>old having to get therapy because the father forced him

0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 1>to do some weird sex.

0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, I was about to say, even if it wasn't

0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:44.400
<v Speaker 2>as bad as Nick Marie, I'm sure that he abused

0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:45.120
<v Speaker 2>the children.

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:47.359
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm sure he abused the other children, but it

0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:51.000
<v Speaker 1>was actually really difficult to find any evidence of it,

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:53.720
<v Speaker 1>or like it wasn't reported on. Everybody was really focusing

0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:55.880
<v Speaker 1>on her, like this case rocked New York. Like I

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:57.399
<v Speaker 1>lived in New York when this case came out.

0:47:57.640 --> 0:47:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I remember her name. I remember reading about it, like

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:03.239
<v Speaker 2>it was really, really horrible. I really like that you

0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:05.879
<v Speaker 2>are boots on the ground of a lot of New

0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:06.680
<v Speaker 2>York crimes.

0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:08.880
<v Speaker 1>And I was reading the free paper every morning, so

0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:12.400
<v Speaker 1>I was getting a lot of you know, horrible, horrible

0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 1>brief reporting on a lot of bad crimes. In the

0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:20.239
<v Speaker 1>spring of two thousand and eight, Rodriguez was convicted. He

0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:23.400
<v Speaker 1>was sentenced to twenty six and a third years to

0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:27.040
<v Speaker 1>twenty nine years in prison. So he was given twenty

0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:30.000
<v Speaker 1>five years for first degree manslaughter and one and a

0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:33.680
<v Speaker 1>third to four years for false imprisonment. And he briefly

0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:36.320
<v Speaker 1>addressed the court and said, I'm just sorry for causing

0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:39.480
<v Speaker 1>anybody any emotional pain or distorted memories about the child.

0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm just sorry. I loved Nick Murray. And then a

0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:43.560
<v Speaker 1>woman in the crowd yelled murderer, and I'd like to

0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:47.560
<v Speaker 1>give her a high five because I don't really care

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:48.680
<v Speaker 1>for this man's words.

0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you know this woman, please send us a

0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:54.960
<v Speaker 2>DM or an email. We would love a little lunch date.

0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 1>We will send her very merch. I would love to

0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:00.600
<v Speaker 1>send her free merch for yelling out murderer. So this

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:03.120
<v Speaker 1>is a kind of a crazy twist in this case too,

0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:05.920
<v Speaker 1>is like, so Santiago and Rodriguez had separate trials, so

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:09.239
<v Speaker 1>the Santiago is the mother. She is described in one

0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:12.080
<v Speaker 1>article I read as slow witted, like she really had

0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:15.560
<v Speaker 1>sort of a tough life. She had four kids by

0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:17.480
<v Speaker 1>the time. She was twenty two and was living in

0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:20.520
<v Speaker 1>a shelter when she met Rodriguez and they got married.

0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:24.839
<v Speaker 1>So then he lost his job, became increasingly violent. You know,

0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I think her options, this is what her defense tried

0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:30.319
<v Speaker 1>to pause. It was that her options were limited. It

0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:32.920
<v Speaker 1>was like, take my six children back to a shelter

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:36.480
<v Speaker 1>or stay with this violent man. So she stayed with

0:49:36.600 --> 0:49:41.600
<v Speaker 1>the man. At one point, she miscarried, and there were

0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:44.440
<v Speaker 1>conflicting articles I read that said she blamed Nix Marie

0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:47.919
<v Speaker 1>for her miscarriage somehow I don't understand how that I mean.

0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:50.239
<v Speaker 1>And then other articles I read that said that Rodriguez

0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:52.560
<v Speaker 1>had actually beat her and that's what caused the miscarriage.

0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:55.320
<v Speaker 1>So it was really hard to find, you know, fully

0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:58.040
<v Speaker 1>verified information on that. But she did have this miscarriage

0:49:58.200 --> 0:50:01.800
<v Speaker 1>that ended up really traumatizing her. She took the fetus

0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 1>home in a jar and kept it in her bedroom,

0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:06.279
<v Speaker 1>so that was something that like the social worker would

0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:08.240
<v Speaker 1>see when she came by, and it was like people

0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:11.400
<v Speaker 1>could see that this woman something was off, and just

0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:14.680
<v Speaker 1>nothing was done, you know. Her lawyers tried to push

0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:17.480
<v Speaker 1>for her to get criminally negligent homicide, which would carry

0:50:17.520 --> 0:50:19.680
<v Speaker 1>a max of four years in prison, and then it

0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:24.120
<v Speaker 1>obviously continued to blame Rodriguez for the murder itself. She

0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:26.719
<v Speaker 1>claimed to not know what he was doing, but like

0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:30.080
<v Speaker 1>there was other evidence that she would often tell him

0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:32.440
<v Speaker 1>to discipline nicks Marie, that it was her being like

0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:34.720
<v Speaker 1>she stole the yogurt, can you go smack her around?

0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:34.920
<v Speaker 5>Like?

0:50:35.480 --> 0:50:39.040
<v Speaker 1>And so I don't think the mother is fully innocent

0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:42.799
<v Speaker 1>here at all. And her lawyer did try to, you know,

0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:46.520
<v Speaker 1>present that she ministered to her daughter, put her in

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:49.480
<v Speaker 1>a warm bath after this beating, gave her water, like,

0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:51.560
<v Speaker 1>dressed her like, put her near to bed near the

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:54.239
<v Speaker 1>radiator so she could warm up. I don't really I

0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:57.160
<v Speaker 1>don't really know. And the lawyer argued that with her

0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:59.799
<v Speaker 1>poor education, she could not have known that Nix Marie

0:50:59.800 --> 0:51:02.960
<v Speaker 1>W was dying from the subdural hematoma, even though it's

0:51:03.400 --> 0:51:05.359
<v Speaker 1>been said that she was like gasping for air and

0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:08.680
<v Speaker 1>calling for her mom. So it's like really awful. In

0:51:08.719 --> 0:51:10.839
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight, the same year. Later the same year,

0:51:10.960 --> 0:51:14.480
<v Speaker 1>she was found guilty of manslaughter, which is the same.

0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:16.040
<v Speaker 2>Verdict that Rodriguez received.

0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:19.640
<v Speaker 1>So she was acquitted of secondary murder because she was

0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:23.440
<v Speaker 1>previously convicted of four lesser crimes, assault for binding the

0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:25.920
<v Speaker 1>daughter with a bungee cord, giving her a black eye,

0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:30.640
<v Speaker 1>unlawful imprisonment, and endangering her welfare. Santiago was sentenced to

0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:33.960
<v Speaker 1>forty three years in prison, So while her husband got

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:37.520
<v Speaker 1>max twenty nine for actually committing the murder, she got

0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:42.839
<v Speaker 1>forty three years in prison. She had no reaction when

0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:44.840
<v Speaker 1>the verdict was read and the judge said that there

0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:46.600
<v Speaker 1>would be an order of protection to keep her from

0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:49.880
<v Speaker 1>seeing her other children. I read a really interesting article

0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:52.759
<v Speaker 1>in the New York Times too about the sort of

0:51:52.920 --> 0:51:56.440
<v Speaker 1>pressure that society puts on mothers and that her punishment

0:51:56.480 --> 0:51:58.640
<v Speaker 1>was so much worse because she is seen as a

0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:01.840
<v Speaker 1>mother who failed, rather than a man who beat a

0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:05.040
<v Speaker 1>child to death. You know, like, I think that the

0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:10.040
<v Speaker 1>disparity in their sentences is really wild, and unfortunately, I

0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:12.880
<v Speaker 1>do think it is a cycle of violence that repeats itself.

0:52:12.880 --> 0:52:16.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure she didn't come from a you know, from

0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:18.040
<v Speaker 1>what I've read about her, she did not come from

0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:21.520
<v Speaker 1>a super stable background, and so it just continued and continued,

0:52:21.560 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 1>and she thought, this is probably how life goes.

0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:24.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't think.

0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:27.120
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, But her reaction after her daughter died

0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:28.760
<v Speaker 4>also is suspect.

0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:32.640
<v Speaker 1>But there's speculation that she had, you know, cognitive issues,

0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:37.319
<v Speaker 1>cognitive issues exactly, developmental issues, et cetera. So the real

0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:40.960
<v Speaker 1>connection to this case is and the episode is that

0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:43.560
<v Speaker 1>it shone a huge spotlight on the New York City

0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Administration for Children's Services ACS and their failure to handle

0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:51.640
<v Speaker 1>her case correctly. There had been two previous reports against

0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:53.759
<v Speaker 1>the family, one in two thousand and four, two years

0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:56.680
<v Speaker 1>before her death, that was unsubstantiated, and the second was

0:52:56.719 --> 0:52:58.959
<v Speaker 1>in December of two thousand and five when she showed

0:52:59.000 --> 0:53:00.240
<v Speaker 1>up at school with a black eye.

0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:02.719
<v Speaker 2>ACS has said that they tried to access the.

0:53:02.719 --> 0:53:05.799
<v Speaker 1>Home several times and Rodriguez always blocked their entry, and

0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:07.160
<v Speaker 1>that there was a time where she had to get

0:53:07.200 --> 0:53:09.239
<v Speaker 1>stitches and he brought her to the hospital, and when

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Social Services met her at the hospital, he swore at

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:15.200
<v Speaker 1>her and ended the conversation, and so he obviously knew

0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:19.680
<v Speaker 1>he was committing crimes and was trying to keep the

0:53:20.280 --> 0:53:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I wish that they had been able to pile more

0:53:22.680 --> 0:53:25.880
<v Speaker 1>charges against him, like endangering the other children or you know.

0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like I obviously am always pissed about sexism everywhere,

0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:32.920
<v Speaker 2>but in this case, I'm not even I'm like, yeah,

0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:33.960
<v Speaker 2>put her in jail.

0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:34.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't give a fuck, Like.

0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:37.920
<v Speaker 1>It is weird that I want her in jail, But

0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:40.000
<v Speaker 1>you don't think it's like a little crazy that she's

0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:42.600
<v Speaker 1>serving fourteen more years than her husband.

0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:44.279
<v Speaker 2>No, that's what I was gonna say, Like, I don't

0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:47.000
<v Speaker 2>want her serving less time, I want him serving more time.

0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:50.319
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's if he's in jail forty three years, he

0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:51.760
<v Speaker 1>doesn't get out until he's in his seventies.

0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:54.040
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's great, you know, because he also

0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:57.240
<v Speaker 2>like sexually abused her, Like yeah, more charging.

0:53:57.440 --> 0:53:59.839
<v Speaker 1>I think that, like, yeah, I don't know if those

0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:03.840
<v Speaker 1>were like not provable or what, but it's really horrible.

0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:07.560
<v Speaker 1>But much like in the episode, there was a report

0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:08.680
<v Speaker 1>that they had visited the home.

0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Everyone looked good, there was plenty of food.

0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:15.040
<v Speaker 1>Toys, and meanwhile Nicks Marie was twenty pounds underweight, had

0:54:15.080 --> 0:54:17.319
<v Speaker 1>missed forty six days of school and had showed up to.

0:54:17.239 --> 0:54:18.840
<v Speaker 2>School with welts and cuts and bruises.

0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:20.839
<v Speaker 1>So I don't really know where the disconnect is of like,

0:54:21.040 --> 0:54:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't really care that there's a bunch of Tonka

0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:26.279
<v Speaker 1>trucks around, like look at the child, like she does

0:54:26.320 --> 0:54:30.520
<v Speaker 1>not look healthy. So the media came after ACS very hard,

0:54:30.600 --> 0:54:34.319
<v Speaker 1>and six Children's Services employees were disciplined over this. The

0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:37.080
<v Speaker 1>excuse was much like what b Goldberg's monologue that the

0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:42.040
<v Speaker 1>investigators are swamped with cases, and the Bloomberg administration said

0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:45.040
<v Speaker 1>that ACS was responding by hiring five hundred and twenty

0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:48.240
<v Speaker 1>five more workers at the time, and he also created

0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:50.799
<v Speaker 1>a city panel much like they said that they were

0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:54.120
<v Speaker 1>doing at the end of this SPU episode that advocated

0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:58.640
<v Speaker 1>multiple changes. Some included better communication with school officials about absenteeism,

0:54:58.960 --> 0:55:02.360
<v Speaker 1>a twenty four hour abuse hotline and then instant response teams,

0:55:02.360 --> 0:55:07.080
<v Speaker 1>and new training for police personnel regarding sensitivity to abuse children.

0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:10.359
<v Speaker 1>And then some of the key changes were police were

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:12.279
<v Speaker 1>they were going to get a full time supervisor a

0:55:12.320 --> 0:55:15.360
<v Speaker 1>lieutenant which is Benson's rank at the end of this episode,

0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:19.040
<v Speaker 1>to supervise the sort of child well fair headquarters and

0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:23.560
<v Speaker 1>be a liaison between two agencies, and case workers would

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:26.360
<v Speaker 1>be required to seek entry orders when denied access to

0:55:26.400 --> 0:55:28.880
<v Speaker 1>the home. So you can't just like I understand that

0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:31.399
<v Speaker 1>a social worker cannot fight a man to get into

0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:32.799
<v Speaker 1>the home, but there has to be a way that

0:55:32.880 --> 0:55:34.759
<v Speaker 1>you back it up and get into the home. Like

0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:37.560
<v Speaker 1>if someone's refusing you access.

0:55:37.800 --> 0:55:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, if someone's refusing you access, that's more evidence

0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:43.279
<v Speaker 2>to fucking go into that home.

0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:44.200
<v Speaker 4>Right exactly.

0:55:45.000 --> 0:55:48.360
<v Speaker 1>And school officials will have more license to alert authorities

0:55:48.400 --> 0:55:51.719
<v Speaker 1>when a student has too many unexplained absences. So by

0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:53.719
<v Speaker 1>March of two thousand and eight, which this case, like

0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:55.600
<v Speaker 1>was from two thousand and six to two thousand and eight,

0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:59.400
<v Speaker 1>this case was constantly in the media and ACS launched

0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:02.799
<v Speaker 1>a one million dollar recruitment drive for new welfare caseworkers.

0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:05.479
<v Speaker 1>They had a lot of applications, but retention was really

0:56:05.480 --> 0:56:08.359
<v Speaker 1>difficult because it's a very very difficult job. In two

0:56:08.360 --> 0:56:10.799
<v Speaker 1>thousand and seven, they reported that seventeen percent of the

0:56:10.800 --> 0:56:13.400
<v Speaker 1>caseworkers had quit and the pay for the position at

0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:15.640
<v Speaker 1>that time was thirty nine thousand dollars a year, which

0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:17.800
<v Speaker 1>in New York City, that's a very very low amount

0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:19.520
<v Speaker 1>of money to try to make a living on and

0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:22.440
<v Speaker 1>live in within the five boroughs and take care of

0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:23.120
<v Speaker 1>this population.

0:56:24.000 --> 0:56:26.719
<v Speaker 2>If anything good came out of this.

0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Horrific, horrific ordeal that this poor little girl had to

0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:34.240
<v Speaker 1>go through. It was Nick Murray's Law, which was proposed

0:56:34.239 --> 0:56:37.040
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and six by a New York State senator,

0:56:37.480 --> 0:56:40.080
<v Speaker 1>and the law was designed to deter or prevent child

0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:43.800
<v Speaker 1>abuse related crimes by charging parents connected to the crime

0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:46.399
<v Speaker 1>of the death of their children with first degree murder.

0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:48.359
<v Speaker 1>So the maximum punishment in New York would be twenty

0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:50.799
<v Speaker 1>five years to life in prison. I don't know how

0:56:51.000 --> 0:56:53.800
<v Speaker 1>state government works, but it said. The State Senate passed

0:56:53.840 --> 0:56:55.799
<v Speaker 1>Knicks Murray's Law on February of two thousand and six,

0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:58.439
<v Speaker 1>but then Governor Patterson, the governor of New York, signed

0:56:58.480 --> 0:57:02.279
<v Speaker 1>the bill into law in nine and that requires a

0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:05.200
<v Speaker 1>sentence of life without parole for parents or guardians who

0:57:05.239 --> 0:57:05.880
<v Speaker 1>kill a child.

0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:07.880
<v Speaker 4>So since the passage.

0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Of the law, reports to the New York States Child

0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Abuse Hotline have increased, so at least there's become hopefully

0:57:14.719 --> 0:57:17.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, and honestly, since it's happened, there have been

0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:21.080
<v Speaker 1>several other high profile cases where children have died in

0:57:21.400 --> 0:57:24.640
<v Speaker 1>acs custody and it is a broken system, but we

0:57:24.720 --> 0:57:27.840
<v Speaker 1>need to fix it because we just can't have kids

0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:28.880
<v Speaker 1>falling through the cracks like this.

0:57:29.000 --> 0:57:31.960
<v Speaker 2>It's just too sad. And do we have any information

0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:34.200
<v Speaker 2>on what happened to the other children or is that

0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:37.960
<v Speaker 2>all super private? They were all moved to foster care. Yeah,

0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:40.480
<v Speaker 2>and then that makes me wonder, like what is their

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:42.360
<v Speaker 2>future going to be like and what they saw in

0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:44.280
<v Speaker 2>the home and is you know, is that just going

0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:46.360
<v Speaker 2>to be a fucking cycle with them in this broken

0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:48.560
<v Speaker 2>system again. Yeah.

0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:53.280
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, very intense episode, very intense true crime. And

0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:56.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, I just hope that there have been some

0:57:56.600 --> 0:57:59.520
<v Speaker 1>changes at least to the acs where there are at

0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:01.760
<v Speaker 1>least where people are not trying to cover up their

0:58:01.840 --> 0:58:05.320
<v Speaker 1>visits and get paperwork done and fill quotas, because just

0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:06.360
<v Speaker 1>this isn't the kind.

0:58:06.200 --> 0:58:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Of and I think a lot of people go into

0:58:09.640 --> 0:58:12.600
<v Speaker 2>case work, have big hearts and want to do this

0:58:12.680 --> 0:58:15.600
<v Speaker 2>work and then I'm sure very quickly it fucking breaks

0:58:15.640 --> 0:58:18.720
<v Speaker 2>you seeing all these grafic things in and out, and

0:58:18.760 --> 0:58:20.680
<v Speaker 2>then you're not compensated in any way.

0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:21.600
<v Speaker 3>It's like.

0:58:23.120 --> 0:58:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I mean the faster here system is also

0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:29.600
<v Speaker 1>like extremely biased against families of color, and it's that's

0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:33.640
<v Speaker 1>another issue as well, Like it's something like four times

0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:37.240
<v Speaker 1>more children get removed from their parents from families of color.

0:58:37.280 --> 0:58:40.240
<v Speaker 1>And I just think that I work for this organization

0:58:40.240 --> 0:58:41.960
<v Speaker 1>that I'll talk more about later in the episode. But

0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I was trained in sort of like trying to recognize

0:58:46.040 --> 0:58:48.840
<v Speaker 1>biases when you're in homes of like what what is

0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:52.760
<v Speaker 1>considered a safe home. You know, like a rug on

0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:55.160
<v Speaker 1>the floor is nice, but it's not a necessity, you

0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:58.479
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. Like, for example, another bias we

0:58:58.480 --> 0:59:02.080
<v Speaker 1>were trained on was you can walk into a home

0:59:02.120 --> 0:59:04.080
<v Speaker 1>and be speaking to a small child and they're not

0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:06.000
<v Speaker 1>looking you in the eye, and you could think, oh,

0:59:06.080 --> 0:59:09.240
<v Speaker 1>they're being abused, they are keeping a secret, they're nervous

0:59:09.280 --> 0:59:10.000
<v Speaker 1>around adults.

0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:10.760
<v Speaker 3>What's going on.

0:59:11.200 --> 0:59:14.360
<v Speaker 1>In Native American cultures, it's disrespectful to look an adult

0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:16.640
<v Speaker 1>in the eye. So you know, you have to go

0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:19.240
<v Speaker 1>in knowing that there's all these different cultures to consider,

0:59:19.440 --> 0:59:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and there's all these biases that both state employees and

0:59:24.000 --> 0:59:26.120
<v Speaker 1>volunteers and all different people have when they're going in

0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:28.439
<v Speaker 1>to like observe how a family lives in their own home.

0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:32.240
<v Speaker 1>That's an example, But you know there's certain, there's just

0:59:32.320 --> 0:59:36.160
<v Speaker 1>ways in which I think social workers can sometimes judge

0:59:36.840 --> 0:59:40.520
<v Speaker 1>with their own biases. But anyway, we have a hard

0:59:40.600 --> 0:59:42.920
<v Speaker 1>hitting interview coming up, and I'm excited to talk to

0:59:42.960 --> 0:59:52.280
<v Speaker 1>our next guest. All right, now it is time for

0:59:52.400 --> 0:59:56.320
<v Speaker 1>our guest. I'm so excited to talk to this person.

0:59:56.640 --> 1:00:00.080
<v Speaker 1>She is the best. She has been on Original A,

1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Law and Order, she's been on S few A couple

1:00:01.760 --> 1:00:05.520
<v Speaker 1>of times. She does mention that her character is Hooker,

1:00:05.560 --> 1:00:07.600
<v Speaker 1>because that is truly the name of the of the

1:00:07.680 --> 1:00:10.080
<v Speaker 1>character Hooker. You can check the IMDb, so I don't

1:00:10.080 --> 1:00:15.320
<v Speaker 1>think she's being derogatory. And she's been in some classic

1:00:15.440 --> 1:00:18.400
<v Speaker 1>SVU episodes. She's the lead singer of a metal band

1:00:18.480 --> 1:00:23.720
<v Speaker 1>called Alakine's Gun. And she is hopefully just the first

1:00:23.840 --> 1:00:25.760
<v Speaker 1>of many guests that we're going to get who have

1:00:25.800 --> 1:00:28.040
<v Speaker 1>starred on Orange as the New Black, a show that

1:00:28.520 --> 1:00:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Lisa and I are both obsessed with, where she played

1:00:30.720 --> 1:00:35.120
<v Speaker 1>Maria Ruis. Please guys, give it up for Manuela herself.

1:00:35.640 --> 1:00:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Jessica Pimental, You're our first guest that we're talking to

1:00:39.520 --> 1:00:42.400
<v Speaker 1>in in Europe. This is pretty impressive.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I there's no pressure to represent the entire continent.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I have to be honest.

1:00:48.680 --> 1:00:50.120
<v Speaker 2>And I know this is crazy and I know it's

1:00:50.120 --> 1:00:52.560
<v Speaker 2>all acting, but because of your Orange character, I was

1:00:52.600 --> 1:00:55.960
<v Speaker 2>so intimidated and scared to talk to you. I was

1:00:56.040 --> 1:00:59.120
<v Speaker 2>like kind of panicked. And right away you're just like

1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:02.000
<v Speaker 2>so kind and great and I know it's all make believe,

1:01:02.080 --> 1:01:04.200
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I was very nervous.

1:01:05.120 --> 1:01:07.520
<v Speaker 5>You know, why would you be scared of Maria? I

1:01:07.520 --> 1:01:11.920
<v Speaker 5>think she's she is, she's great, she's awesome. She's misunderstood

1:01:12.280 --> 1:01:16.600
<v Speaker 5>a bit, she's been through some shit and uh, you

1:01:16.680 --> 1:01:19.120
<v Speaker 5>know she's in jail. What the fuck? Sorry for my

1:01:19.760 --> 1:01:22.800
<v Speaker 5>part of my French. You know, it's a rough life, man.

1:01:22.840 --> 1:01:24.880
<v Speaker 5>I don't blame her for some of the things that

1:01:24.920 --> 1:01:25.680
<v Speaker 5>she's done.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we definitely want to talk to you about Orange,

1:01:28.080 --> 1:01:30.360
<v Speaker 1>but let's just like really quickly kick off with some

1:01:30.520 --> 1:01:31.440
<v Speaker 1>SVU questions.

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<v Speaker 2>So our first.

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<v Speaker 4>Question is tell us about working with Bruno.

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<v Speaker 1>That little kid was so cute, the one that played

1:01:36.880 --> 1:01:37.520
<v Speaker 1>your little son.

1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:41.760
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, that little boy as cute as he

1:01:41.840 --> 1:01:46.040
<v Speaker 5>looked in the TV show. No, this is good. He's

1:01:46.080 --> 1:01:50.240
<v Speaker 5>a thousand times cuter in real life. I'm sorry, No, no, no,

1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:56.600
<v Speaker 5>the nightmare. No, he was actually the sweetest. He was

1:01:56.680 --> 1:02:00.560
<v Speaker 5>so shy, and he was so tiny and skinny like

1:02:01.120 --> 1:02:03.000
<v Speaker 5>and he was so and he played so well. It

1:02:03.080 --> 1:02:04.960
<v Speaker 5>was like did I do a cut? Like? He was

1:02:05.160 --> 1:02:06.640
<v Speaker 5>so sweet.

1:02:06.400 --> 1:02:08.000
<v Speaker 2>My god, it was like too much.

1:02:08.040 --> 1:02:10.560
<v Speaker 1>I thought they they've done it too, it's too cute,

1:02:10.600 --> 1:02:12.240
<v Speaker 1>Like you gotta find a less cute kid.

1:02:12.280 --> 1:02:13.560
<v Speaker 2>This kid's breaking my heart.

1:02:13.600 --> 1:02:15.800
<v Speaker 5>But that's the whole point. I mean, how could you

1:02:15.880 --> 1:02:19.480
<v Speaker 5>not like watch that little boy and not be totally heartbroken?

1:02:19.680 --> 1:02:21.880
<v Speaker 5>And he was just like that, and he was wonderful

1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:25.000
<v Speaker 5>to work with. He was so like well behaved. He

1:02:25.080 --> 1:02:27.080
<v Speaker 5>wasn't a brat like a lot of our A lot

1:02:27.080 --> 1:02:29.920
<v Speaker 5>of our movie kids can be brats sometimes. I have

1:02:30.040 --> 1:02:32.120
<v Speaker 5>had like a hundred movie kids at this point in

1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:35.080
<v Speaker 5>my life, and they're not all easy to work with,

1:02:35.320 --> 1:02:39.160
<v Speaker 5>you know, But this kid was a dream. He was

1:02:39.360 --> 1:02:40.720
<v Speaker 5>sweet and lovely.

1:02:41.040 --> 1:02:42.600
<v Speaker 4>Okay, a plus for Bruno.

1:02:42.760 --> 1:02:45.160
<v Speaker 2>I love it well. And then that scene with the

1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:48.520
<v Speaker 2>you getting to visit Bruno iced Tea is harsh with you.

1:02:48.600 --> 1:02:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen him be this straightforward and mean to

1:02:53.040 --> 1:02:56.240
<v Speaker 2>somebody before. It was like a wild scene. I don't

1:02:56.240 --> 1:02:58.240
<v Speaker 2>know if there's a question, how was it acting with him?

1:02:59.160 --> 1:03:01.439
<v Speaker 5>ICE's ice And I think that's really I had done

1:03:01.640 --> 1:03:04.880
<v Speaker 5>scenes with him before in a previous you know, one

1:03:04.880 --> 1:03:08.880
<v Speaker 5>of my other previous hooker roles, and he was great.

1:03:08.920 --> 1:03:10.840
<v Speaker 5>He's really personable. He's great to work with.

1:03:10.840 --> 1:03:11.600
<v Speaker 3>But it was that.

1:03:11.680 --> 1:03:15.160
<v Speaker 5>Particular episode that we became friends. Koca was there too,

1:03:15.360 --> 1:03:19.200
<v Speaker 5>she's amazing. Their daughter's amazing. I mean, this family, they're

1:03:19.240 --> 1:03:22.080
<v Speaker 5>all great. But I it's very professional. He's very easy

1:03:22.080 --> 1:03:26.160
<v Speaker 5>to work with. He loves to play around, play with acting,

1:03:26.240 --> 1:03:28.520
<v Speaker 5>you know, as we're doing a scene and we had too,

1:03:28.600 --> 1:03:30.120
<v Speaker 5>like he chewed me out a couple of times in

1:03:30.160 --> 1:03:32.760
<v Speaker 5>that episode. Man, I got like, people are taking this

1:03:32.840 --> 1:03:34.880
<v Speaker 5>thing personally. I think, I don't know, but.

1:03:35.520 --> 1:03:38.040
<v Speaker 2>It's one of the more heartbreaking episodes.

1:03:38.120 --> 1:03:41.040
<v Speaker 5>It is really sad, but I mean everyone gives such

1:03:41.080 --> 1:03:45.520
<v Speaker 5>great speeches about just how the system is overrun and overcrowded,

1:03:45.560 --> 1:03:50.680
<v Speaker 5>and like whoopee Goldberg's big monologue there. It made me

1:03:50.720 --> 1:03:52.840
<v Speaker 5>think about my mom a loge as my mom worked

1:03:52.880 --> 1:03:56.720
<v Speaker 5>in the mental health fields. She's a psychologist, and she

1:03:56.840 --> 1:03:59.440
<v Speaker 5>would come home completely exhausted because these are people that

1:03:59.480 --> 1:04:01.880
<v Speaker 5>are just kind of thrown away and like things are

1:04:01.880 --> 1:04:05.120
<v Speaker 5>never getting better, and it's very rough work, especially in

1:04:05.160 --> 1:04:07.920
<v Speaker 5>such a big City, and I just thought that that

1:04:08.040 --> 1:04:09.720
<v Speaker 5>episode was just.

1:04:09.680 --> 1:04:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Really well well done, well made for sure.

1:04:12.600 --> 1:04:14.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're from New York and I was living

1:04:14.560 --> 1:04:16.320
<v Speaker 1>in New York at the time of the case that

1:04:16.400 --> 1:04:18.480
<v Speaker 1>this was based on, the Nick Murray Brown case.

1:04:18.520 --> 1:04:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember that?

1:04:19.520 --> 1:04:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Like, uh huh, yeah, I was gonna say it was

1:04:21.560 --> 1:04:24.240
<v Speaker 1>so pervasive, Like I just feel like anybody that lived

1:04:24.240 --> 1:04:26.840
<v Speaker 1>in New York at that time, like would remember that.

1:04:27.560 --> 1:04:29.920
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely. That's one of those stories that you hear on

1:04:29.960 --> 1:04:32.320
<v Speaker 5>the news and you just weep, you know, because it's

1:04:32.400 --> 1:04:36.440
<v Speaker 5>just so tragic, and you know that there were hundreds

1:04:36.440 --> 1:04:38.280
<v Speaker 5>of people that would have taken her in or wanted

1:04:38.320 --> 1:04:40.840
<v Speaker 5>to help, or or just people that can't imagine that

1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:44.040
<v Speaker 5>this happens down the street, down the block and your

1:04:44.120 --> 1:04:46.720
<v Speaker 5>neighborhood could be a kid that you see all the

1:04:46.720 --> 1:04:48.680
<v Speaker 5>time and then one day you don't see them anymore.

1:04:48.800 --> 1:04:52.040
<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's really heartbreaking. I think they did a

1:04:52.080 --> 1:04:54.840
<v Speaker 5>good job of telling that story. I mean, you know,

1:04:54.920 --> 1:04:58.720
<v Speaker 5>even Manoela, my character had had that moment where it

1:04:58.800 --> 1:05:00.760
<v Speaker 5>kind of clicks for her that so it's like, oh

1:05:00.760 --> 1:05:01.840
<v Speaker 5>my god, what have I done?

1:05:01.920 --> 1:05:03.240
<v Speaker 2>You know, right right?

1:05:03.840 --> 1:05:05.880
<v Speaker 3>What did they do for hair and makeup?

1:05:06.360 --> 1:05:07.000
<v Speaker 5>For you.

1:05:07.000 --> 1:05:10.520
<v Speaker 2>You were like so sweast, sweaty, and the hair was stiff,

1:05:10.760 --> 1:05:11.840
<v Speaker 2>like what did they put on.

1:05:11.760 --> 1:05:14.240
<v Speaker 1>You when they first find you? You're real, like you're

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<v Speaker 1>real sweat. It's like a very slick layer.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just straight grease. Man. It was gross. It was

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<v Speaker 5>so gross. And I remember the costume and the makeup people.

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<v Speaker 5>We hadn't had a meeting before, and I really I

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<v Speaker 5>feel like that first scene you see me was the

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<v Speaker 5>first scene we did, and the costumely is like, but

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<v Speaker 5>she looks so healthy, like, how are we going? She

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<v Speaker 5>was like, oh no, we really screwed up here, like

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<v Speaker 5>we got she looks nice, like she looks good, and

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<v Speaker 5>they're like, don't you worry? And that those hair and

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<v Speaker 5>makeup people they got. I mean they had to wash

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<v Speaker 5>my hair every day after shooting, and I think we

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<v Speaker 5>had we shot those scenes in three days, but it

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<v Speaker 5>was just layers of goop and gook and teased out.

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<v Speaker 5>Then my teeth had these this yellow coating to really

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<v Speaker 5>make and look rotted out and like you had and

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<v Speaker 5>brush your teeth in weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you have great teeth, and you got to

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<v Speaker 1>make it look like you've been that you've been using

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<v Speaker 1>for a while so that's not that's not an easy

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<v Speaker 1>can't just have you show up with those pearly whites.

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<v Speaker 2>Acting like a like a drug user, right.

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<v Speaker 5>So they they really cooked up those teeth. It was

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<v Speaker 5>totally crazy. And it's so funny because my brother and

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<v Speaker 5>his wife my sister in law were watching me shoot

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<v Speaker 5>that scene and he was like still he got like upset.

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<v Speaker 5>He's like, oh my god, oh my, Like you don't

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<v Speaker 5>want to see someone you love like all messed up

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<v Speaker 5>like that, you know. And they were they were watching

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<v Speaker 5>this and they just couldn't believe that that change how

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<v Speaker 5>much they really messed me up. But it really was

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<v Speaker 5>like grease and like like some kind of silicone spray.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 5>And at one point, you know, they were setting up

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<v Speaker 5>a camera shot and I was sitting outside. We were

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<v Speaker 5>like in uptown New York and I'm sitting down on

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<v Speaker 5>the sidewalk and someone actually gave me money.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 5>Cameras like because the cameras were pretty far away and

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<v Speaker 5>the lighting you know, we were doing a night shot,

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<v Speaker 5>so there was like no real lighting up yet because

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<v Speaker 5>we're waiting for the sun to set. And someone just

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<v Speaker 5>like felt sorry for the people were looking at me

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<v Speaker 5>like oh disgusting, like pulling their kids away from me.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it was insane.

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<v Speaker 3>It was so wow.

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<v Speaker 4>That just shows the hair and makeups did a really

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<v Speaker 4>good job.

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<v Speaker 5>But we did a great job.

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<v Speaker 4>It made you look the part.

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<v Speaker 1>So because you've been doing like so many law and

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<v Speaker 1>orders and stuff, like when you ended up doing this role,

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<v Speaker 1>like they just call you in and say we have

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<v Speaker 1>this part for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Or do they do you audition every time? Or like,

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<v Speaker 2>how does it work?

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<v Speaker 5>I auditioned for it. I think it's still uh good

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<v Speaker 5>to audition for sometimes because sometimes you think like an

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<v Speaker 5>actor might be the perfect for that role, the perfect

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<v Speaker 5>person for that role, but then they come in and

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<v Speaker 5>something's not quite right. So they did call me into audition,

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<v Speaker 5>but maybe the list is a little shorter, you know. Sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember when I was auditioning in New York for commercials.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be in there with like sometimes like Boo

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<v Speaker 1>from Orangees and New Black would be in with me, or.

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<v Speaker 2>Like someone else. I'd be like, well, why am I here?

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<v Speaker 2>Why am I here?

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<v Speaker 1>You never know they're going to pick these amazing actors.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so over thirty five Oranges, the New Black people

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<v Speaker 2>have been on SVU have you seen any of.

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<v Speaker 3>Your pals, like, like, have you chatted about it?

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<v Speaker 5>Of course? Listen, Law and Order is a rite of

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<v Speaker 5>passage for every New York actor. It's like not official

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<v Speaker 5>until you get that that ton ton money. You're like, yes,

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<v Speaker 5>you have to do one, you know, and if you

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<v Speaker 5>can do more, that's awesome. It's kind of like just

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<v Speaker 5>always kind of grounding work. It always brings you back

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<v Speaker 5>to your humble beginnings so to speak. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>So, I guess by the time you had done like

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<v Speaker 1>this episode of SVU two, you'd already been on the

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<v Speaker 1>Law and Order set like a bunch of times. But like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you find the set there? Like everybody tells

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<v Speaker 1>us it's like a well oiled machine that everybody's like

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<v Speaker 1>so pro. I mean, I'm sure it's like, did you

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<v Speaker 1>have any like specific thoughts about like working on that set.

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<v Speaker 5>No, everyone is pro and they crank these out so

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<v Speaker 5>they know what they're doing, they know how to do it.

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<v Speaker 5>They get it done. You know. The only thing that

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<v Speaker 5>we had a little setback with was so now it's

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<v Speaker 5>the juicy part. Our lovely Miss Hargitay went to the

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<v Speaker 5>MTV Music Awards on a Sunday night and she was

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<v Speaker 5>supposed to shoot Monday morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Oops, was this during the Taylor Swift time?

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<v Speaker 5>It was exactly that. Oh my gosh. So as we

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<v Speaker 5>can see, she had a lot of fun and I

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<v Speaker 5>think she missed her plane. I'm not sure if she

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<v Speaker 5>missed her plane or forgot or didn't want to take

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<v Speaker 5>the plane, but we had to move some things around

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<v Speaker 5>that day.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it, but.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you know, that's life. She does this so

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<v Speaker 5>many of them, you know, like let her live.

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<v Speaker 3>I know exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like how they once in a while let her

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<v Speaker 1>wear a cocktail dress on the show. We're like, look live.

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<v Speaker 1>She's been in four hundred and seventy five plus episodes

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<v Speaker 1>of this show.

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<v Speaker 5>She's given her whole life to that show. Let her live.

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<v Speaker 5>But I mean they were they were so quick to

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<v Speaker 5>just figure out how to make things work without her

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<v Speaker 5>there that it wasn't even an issue. But she had

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<v Speaker 5>a great time.

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<v Speaker 1>That amazing. So let me ask you about let's ask

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<v Speaker 1>I can't. I mean, we were both like huge oranges

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<v Speaker 1>and new Black fans, like we both watched all the

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<v Speaker 1>way the whole thing, every single episode, obsessed. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how did you find it? Different being on I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that must have been such a different kind of show.

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<v Speaker 5>Every show is a different experience, every every show is

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<v Speaker 5>their own family. Every show has their own way of working.

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<v Speaker 5>Every show has different energy. We our crew was amazing,

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<v Speaker 5>is amazing. They're still amazing. They're out there still working

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<v Speaker 5>doing what did they do? Our crew was always amazing,

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<v Speaker 5>always professional, always on point. Our actors, well, you know

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<v Speaker 5>our actors. Everybody brings their A game every time time

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<v Speaker 5>and if they don't, you're going to know about it.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it's not acceptable. But everyone did their a game.

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<v Speaker 5>Everyone put their literally, blood, sweat and tears into that

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<v Speaker 5>show to make those characters believable and make them people

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<v Speaker 5>that you want to have discussions about after people that

1:11:18.960 --> 1:11:22.799
<v Speaker 5>you work you're going to think about years later. Bringing

1:11:22.880 --> 1:11:26.599
<v Speaker 5>real life stories to life in the comfort of your

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<v Speaker 5>own home. We worked with the Women's Prison Association at

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<v Speaker 5>some points, helping them, donating to them or raising money

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<v Speaker 5>for them, and listening to their stories how they, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>ended up in prison and how they were getting out,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, what the transitions were like. And just in general,

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<v Speaker 5>I think everyone just put their heart and soul into

1:11:47.760 --> 1:11:50.880
<v Speaker 5>that project. So and these characters we played them for

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<v Speaker 5>so many years there, and they evolved so much over

1:11:55.120 --> 1:11:58.640
<v Speaker 5>that time that they're always very very special. They're going

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<v Speaker 5>to all be very special to us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm embarrassed to say how hard I like, super

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<v Speaker 1>super crying after I finished the last episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I just want to say, I cried a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>I was.

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<v Speaker 4>I was alone in my sister's apartment and I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>don't come.

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<v Speaker 2>Home for a few minutes. I was like by myself dying.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, Well, pajamas reminded me. I also, I

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<v Speaker 2>really am a fan of your fashion. I love that

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<v Speaker 2>dress you wore the sag Wards.

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<v Speaker 3>It was so good. And there was like a blue.

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<v Speaker 2>Dress that you wore to some premiere and yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh thank you so much. Yah.

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<v Speaker 1>We were wondering, like, how does that? How does your

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<v Speaker 1>red carpet style work? Do you do that on your

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<v Speaker 1>own or do you get help or what's up?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 5>I have help. I have had wonderful stylists that have

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<v Speaker 5>picked things for me. But a lot of the times

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<v Speaker 5>I do pick things in advance, or like I'll see

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<v Speaker 5>something and I just say one, I need to wear

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<v Speaker 5>this and I don't know what too yet. But someday someday,

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<v Speaker 5>like that red dress. I wore the scandalous red dress.

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<v Speaker 5>I just saw that on a runway and I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>I need to wear that, and then we got nominated

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm like, and I'm gonna wear it then. But

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<v Speaker 5>just in general, yeah, or I'll find a designer that

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<v Speaker 5>I'm feeling at the time, and then wonderful stylists or

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<v Speaker 5>publicists or whatever will help get me those dresses and

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<v Speaker 5>then we've you know, we'll try on a few, see

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<v Speaker 5>what feels right, see what works. But mostly it's just

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<v Speaker 5>like superhero attitude is like usually the what we're going for,

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<v Speaker 5>some kind of royal superhero, just don't mess with me

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<v Speaker 5>vibe in.

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<v Speaker 2>General, And you've been acting for so long, Like you

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<v Speaker 2>went to the you know, the Fame high school and

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<v Speaker 2>you went to college for the dramatic arts.

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<v Speaker 3>What sparked you?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, do you remember that one show or movie or

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<v Speaker 2>like what got you into acting?

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<v Speaker 5>I have always been a musician my entire life, and

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<v Speaker 5>I really dedicated a lot of my youth to studying music,

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<v Speaker 5>playing the violin, and I did a lot of that

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<v Speaker 5>outside of school. And so then I got to an

1:13:53.720 --> 1:13:57.200
<v Speaker 5>age around junior high where there were special also special

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<v Speaker 5>junior highs in New York where you could go for

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<v Speaker 5>if you were an athlete, or if you were a mathematician,

1:14:05.040 --> 1:14:07.840
<v Speaker 5>if or you were in science whatever. And my school

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<v Speaker 5>had a great artistic program, but the music wasn't quite

1:14:12.800 --> 1:14:15.320
<v Speaker 5>challenging enough for me in that music program. So I

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<v Speaker 5>auditioned for drama in junior high and started doing that.

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<v Speaker 5>And I always loved, you know, reading Shakespeare, I loved

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<v Speaker 5>reading plays. I love Joan of arc I love you know,

1:14:24.120 --> 1:14:27.880
<v Speaker 5>great old drama dramatic things. But then I went to

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<v Speaker 5>performing art high school and I was a music major.

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<v Speaker 5>But I started having problems with my hands because I

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<v Speaker 5>was playing about eight hours a day on average, you know,

1:14:36.080 --> 1:14:37.920
<v Speaker 5>on an average day, some days a little more, some

1:14:38.000 --> 1:14:39.880
<v Speaker 5>days a little less. And I was took a real

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<v Speaker 5>big toll on me on my hands physically, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>I started developing arthritis, tendonitis, repetitive you know, movement things,

1:14:51.320 --> 1:14:54.519
<v Speaker 5>and having music all day. It was like a little

1:14:54.520 --> 1:14:56.160
<v Speaker 5>too much. But the only way you could stay in

1:14:56.200 --> 1:14:58.080
<v Speaker 5>that school is if you auditioned for something else. You

1:14:58.120 --> 1:15:00.200
<v Speaker 5>couldn't just stay and not do anything right. So I

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<v Speaker 5>was able to audition for the drama program in my

1:15:03.080 --> 1:15:05.000
<v Speaker 5>second year and got in and then I was able

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<v Speaker 5>to do both. I was able to still take music

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<v Speaker 5>class and theory class. But then I remember seeing Mercedes

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<v Speaker 5>Rule in the Rose Tattoo in theater on the round,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was completely just blown away. And I'd always

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<v Speaker 5>been going to theaters. I'd always had a great relationship with,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, going to Broadway shows. My mom used to

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<v Speaker 5>make sure we always went. New York kids are very spoiled.

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<v Speaker 5>We're very lucky. A lot of us get to go

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<v Speaker 5>to a lot of plays, get to go to the

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<v Speaker 5>met We get to go see you know, ABT Ballet Company,

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<v Speaker 5>We get to do a lot of cool stuff. So

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not you know, I was no stranger to theater,

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<v Speaker 5>but I just remember seeing her in that play and

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<v Speaker 5>how captivating she was and how captivated the audience was.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'd never seen theater in the realm before, and

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<v Speaker 5>this plays just driven by these two people. It was

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<v Speaker 5>super intense, and I thought, you know, if maybe I

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<v Speaker 5>can't do music now and then I can just start

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<v Speaker 5>really focusing on this, and I think I'll be happy

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<v Speaker 5>doing this. And I really love it. You know, it's

1:16:00.680 --> 1:16:05.160
<v Speaker 5>a great escape. It's imagination, it's it's awesome, and so

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<v Speaker 5>I continued. I took a year off and got myself

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<v Speaker 5>together and figured out where I wanted to go and

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<v Speaker 5>ended up going to the American Academy of Dramatic Arts

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<v Speaker 5>and working on a degree in theater and then just

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<v Speaker 5>off out the bet. Just yeah, been working since.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell us a little bit about the metal music.

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<v Speaker 1>Neither of us. My husband's super into it. When I

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<v Speaker 1>told him I was interviewing you, he was like, send

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<v Speaker 1>me her band. I'm going to listen to it. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he got you one new listener on Spotify.

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<v Speaker 1>But but like, how did you get into that? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you said you were a musician like in school.

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<v Speaker 2>I ha, did it make its way to metal? Just

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<v Speaker 2>like teen angst Man's that I go?

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<v Speaker 5>One day? One day my friend and junior high handed

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<v Speaker 5>me this tape called King Diamond, Who's you know, big

1:16:52.760 --> 1:16:55.920
<v Speaker 5>heavy metal guy, a Danish guy. And I was hooked

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<v Speaker 5>from that point on, you know, And it wasn't just metal.

1:16:58.000 --> 1:17:00.960
<v Speaker 5>I'd always kind of been attracted to that stuff. I remember,

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<v Speaker 5>I love rock and roll. Jone Jet was on TV

1:17:03.680 --> 1:17:07.080
<v Speaker 5>and I was like, she has got it down, like

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<v Speaker 5>that woman, She's got it down. That's how you live,

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<v Speaker 5>you know. I remember seeing that video when I was very,

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<v Speaker 5>very very little, and I thought, man, she figured it

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<v Speaker 5>all out, you know. And then just getting older, growing

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<v Speaker 5>up in New York, your friends, you know, introduced you

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<v Speaker 5>to all new stuff. And then we had a great

1:17:26.960 --> 1:17:30.080
<v Speaker 5>hardcore scene, hardcore and punk scene, so that we had

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<v Speaker 5>CBGB's every Sunday matinee, we had the Limelight would have

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<v Speaker 5>Matt would have like hardcore shows or metal shows, and

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<v Speaker 5>then we would hide in the bathroom and then it

1:17:39.920 --> 1:17:41.640
<v Speaker 5>would turn into the dance party that we were too

1:17:41.680 --> 1:17:43.120
<v Speaker 5>young to go to, but then we'd died in the

1:17:43.120 --> 1:17:46.479
<v Speaker 5>shampoo room. Back then, you see all these great bands,

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<v Speaker 5>and then you go to a rave and then and

1:17:48.479 --> 1:17:50.240
<v Speaker 5>then what else. I mean, we had so many clubs,

1:17:50.280 --> 1:17:53.680
<v Speaker 5>so many awesome New York bands, and then then the

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<v Speaker 5>venues were getting bigger and people from out of town

1:17:56.240 --> 1:17:58.320
<v Speaker 5>would come in. That's how I met my guy, he's

1:17:58.360 --> 1:18:00.679
<v Speaker 5>from his band played in one of my favorite clubs

1:18:00.840 --> 1:18:03.879
<v Speaker 5>along with my friends. And then you just start branching

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<v Speaker 5>out meeting people. And yeah, heavy metal, not just heavy

1:18:08.120 --> 1:18:12.639
<v Speaker 5>metal music in general, but hardcore, punk, metal, goth stuff

1:18:12.720 --> 1:18:14.640
<v Speaker 5>that that stuff spoke to me in a way that

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<v Speaker 5>regular top forty stuff didn't speak to me. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>living that life. I wasn't, you know, like everyone's.

1:18:22.760 --> 1:18:24.960
<v Speaker 2>So cute, everything so good.

1:18:26.560 --> 1:18:30.040
<v Speaker 5>Worring, Yeah, worring. I want to do you know, dragons

1:18:30.080 --> 1:18:32.840
<v Speaker 5>and magic or someone that was singing about my pain

1:18:33.000 --> 1:18:35.120
<v Speaker 5>or singing about the rough streets of New York or

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<v Speaker 5>you know. That's what attracted me. If you're gonna live

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<v Speaker 5>through music and have a reality that is not yours,

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<v Speaker 5>it should be interesting at least.

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<v Speaker 1>I lived with a hardcore band for a month in

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<v Speaker 1>Boston named American.

1:18:47.720 --> 1:18:50.880
<v Speaker 5>Nightmare, one of my favorites. I love them real.

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<v Speaker 1>They used to play and you lived with the whole band,

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<v Speaker 1>I the lead singer. Okay, I didn't live with him

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<v Speaker 1>in a romantic way. I lived with my friend in

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<v Speaker 1>like another room in the apartment. Okay, yeah, I'm that way.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember the first time American Nightmare played CBGB's it

1:19:06.920 --> 1:19:10.799
<v Speaker 5>was a quite a spectacle. They caused quite a stir.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, like, who were these guys.

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<v Speaker 5>They're awesome. They're not from around here, They're from Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>I had no clue about that. Yeah, it's just a

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<v Speaker 2>little thing about me.

1:19:22.840 --> 1:19:24.760
<v Speaker 5>She just likes to throw that out every once in

1:19:24.800 --> 1:19:25.760
<v Speaker 5>a while. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually it just came to me because I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I separated them in my mind, but when you

1:19:30.240 --> 1:19:33.120
<v Speaker 1>said hardcore, I was like, oh, hardcore, Yeah, I knew

1:19:33.120 --> 1:19:35.160
<v Speaker 1>this band. I was thinking of metal as like a

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<v Speaker 1>separate thing, but they are kind of hardcore punk metal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all like from the same kind of family.

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<v Speaker 5>We all used to go see everyone's shows. You'd go

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<v Speaker 5>to a ska show and then a punk show, and

1:19:46.320 --> 1:19:49.600
<v Speaker 5>we'd go swing dancing on Wednesdays, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 5>go to the goth club and look at the floor

1:19:52.240 --> 1:19:54.080
<v Speaker 5>and be all depressed, and then like, you know, like

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<v Speaker 5>we were pretty pretty open to everything musically. I think

1:19:58.640 --> 1:20:01.839
<v Speaker 5>I was not everyone. I was pretty open to everything musically,

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<v Speaker 5>and I just loved experiences. I love. It's nothing like

1:20:04.880 --> 1:20:07.080
<v Speaker 5>growing up in New York City. You know, it's really

1:20:07.240 --> 1:20:10.200
<v Speaker 5>really something special, Especially in the nineties, you know, we

1:20:10.240 --> 1:20:15.000
<v Speaker 5>had just everything was just open and anything could happen

1:20:15.080 --> 1:20:17.760
<v Speaker 5>all the time. Right, it's been you know, I think

1:20:17.800 --> 1:20:21.679
<v Speaker 5>back on those days and like, wow, some magical things happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my husband just texted me, he's really loving your band.

1:20:25.320 --> 1:20:27.400
<v Speaker 5>He's listening to to ala Quine's gun.

1:20:27.720 --> 1:20:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just in. You have a new fan.

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<v Speaker 5>Awesome, give him the horns up right there?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, love her, love Maria Luiz, love Manuela,

1:20:45.680 --> 1:20:47.120
<v Speaker 1>don't love Manuela, don't love the character.

1:20:47.240 --> 1:20:50.080
<v Speaker 4>Love Jessica. Love Jessica. She's so great.

1:20:50.280 --> 1:20:54.639
<v Speaker 2>I love all her scoop and gossip and yeah, she's

1:20:54.680 --> 1:20:56.240
<v Speaker 2>just a badass. And I do love how much she

1:20:56.280 --> 1:20:57.200
<v Speaker 2>loves her characters.

1:20:57.280 --> 1:21:00.559
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, and now my husband like, actually, he was like,

1:21:00.640 --> 1:21:01.760
<v Speaker 1>I love this band.

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<v Speaker 2>She was texting me. I found it funny that Jared

1:21:04.760 --> 1:21:05.520
<v Speaker 2>is a metal.

1:21:05.280 --> 1:21:09.439
<v Speaker 1>Head huge like hugely like just sits like writing and

1:21:09.479 --> 1:21:11.680
<v Speaker 1>it's like dinner like loves it.

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<v Speaker 2>I really can't imagine. Yeah, it's hard to it's hard.

1:21:14.800 --> 1:21:17.839
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to imagine. But then I also can't imagine

1:21:17.840 --> 1:21:20.160
<v Speaker 2>any other music he would be into. So then he's

1:21:20.200 --> 1:21:23.000
<v Speaker 2>into much random music. Jared's into so much random music.

1:21:23.160 --> 1:21:25.120
<v Speaker 2>So my dad, sorry to bring this up with my

1:21:25.200 --> 1:21:29.240
<v Speaker 2>dad again, No, but he's a hoarder. So he keeps

1:21:29.240 --> 1:21:31.800
<v Speaker 2>bringing up old DVDs and I keeping like, I don't know,

1:21:31.840 --> 1:21:33.760
<v Speaker 2>I'll see if Jared wants them, and he's like no,

1:21:33.920 --> 1:21:35.200
<v Speaker 2>and then he won't give him.

1:21:35.479 --> 1:21:38.400
<v Speaker 6>But I don't know if Jared do not bring any

1:21:38.439 --> 1:21:41.960
<v Speaker 6>more DVDs into my home, Like I'm literally he already

1:21:42.000 --> 1:21:43.839
<v Speaker 6>was like we're moving to Blue Ray, so we already

1:21:43.840 --> 1:21:45.519
<v Speaker 6>have so many Blue Wratt and now it's like they're

1:21:45.560 --> 1:21:46.800
<v Speaker 6>becoming completely obsolete.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, let's get to the post mortem of this episode.

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<v Speaker 5>What have we learned?

1:21:50.800 --> 1:21:56.080
<v Speaker 1>This is obviously a fucking gut wrenching episode, a horrific,

1:21:56.120 --> 1:21:57.160
<v Speaker 1>horrific true crime.

1:21:57.880 --> 1:21:59.800
<v Speaker 4>A few lessons to learn from it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think a big one is, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>we always say, don't go to jail for a man,

1:22:05.240 --> 1:22:08.600
<v Speaker 2>don't let a man hurt your children. I don't is

1:22:08.640 --> 1:22:12.240
<v Speaker 2>that a good one? Like, yeah, fucking kids over boyfriends.

1:22:12.800 --> 1:22:15.040
<v Speaker 2>I think that is a lesson for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And obviously there's a lot of reform to be done

1:22:19.600 --> 1:22:23.040
<v Speaker 1>to the foster's care system and there's a lot of

1:22:23.240 --> 1:22:24.719
<v Speaker 1>kids that are slipping through the cracks.

1:22:24.720 --> 1:22:26.880
<v Speaker 4>That's not not the best.

1:22:27.120 --> 1:22:29.840
<v Speaker 2>No, it sucks, And it's just like it makes you

1:22:29.840 --> 1:22:32.840
<v Speaker 2>feel so powerless and how big these problems are and

1:22:32.880 --> 1:22:34.920
<v Speaker 2>that it's been this way for thousands of years in

1:22:34.960 --> 1:22:38.080
<v Speaker 2>all of humanity, that we just like let our most

1:22:38.200 --> 1:22:42.240
<v Speaker 2>vulnerable people fucking perish like this, and it's like.

1:22:42.240 --> 1:22:44.800
<v Speaker 1>That, and it's like in the in the episode, obviously

1:22:44.840 --> 1:22:47.080
<v Speaker 1>you're supposed to kind of be like, yeah, WHOOPI Goldberg's

1:22:47.080 --> 1:22:49.760
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a villain and so like, but

1:22:49.920 --> 1:22:53.479
<v Speaker 1>I think in reality, a lot of foster care workers

1:22:53.520 --> 1:22:56.639
<v Speaker 1>are or case workers and people that work in for.

1:22:56.560 --> 1:22:59.200
<v Speaker 2>The state are really trying.

1:22:59.320 --> 1:23:03.160
<v Speaker 1>But it is an overloaded system with low compensation, and

1:23:03.200 --> 1:23:04.400
<v Speaker 1>like it's just it's broken.

1:23:04.600 --> 1:23:05.840
<v Speaker 2>So it's not it's not.

1:23:05.720 --> 1:23:08.240
<v Speaker 1>Necessarily I don't think there's like villains out there being

1:23:08.280 --> 1:23:10.360
<v Speaker 1>like let's just do the paperwork and let kids get

1:23:10.360 --> 1:23:13.000
<v Speaker 1>beat up. Like I don't think that that's like a

1:23:13.160 --> 1:23:14.280
<v Speaker 1>probably commonplace.

1:23:14.520 --> 1:23:17.760
<v Speaker 2>But it's just a very overworked system. And now that

1:23:17.840 --> 1:23:20.000
<v Speaker 2>you did meant, now that you've mentioned, now that you've

1:23:20.000 --> 1:23:21.280
<v Speaker 2>said it, we're gonna say it.

1:23:21.280 --> 1:23:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Wait, what's the community of my life?

1:23:23.200 --> 1:23:25.439
<v Speaker 2>But we don't say that, but now we've said it.

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<v Speaker 2>Woo pee Goldberg, give her another oscar. I mean the

1:23:30.200 --> 1:23:35.080
<v Speaker 2>performance of a SVU history. I think, like that monologue

1:23:35.120 --> 1:23:37.639
<v Speaker 2>on the stand to me is chilling as fuck.

1:23:38.000 --> 1:23:40.559
<v Speaker 4>What b Goldberg should be the first person to egot twice?

1:23:41.000 --> 1:23:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she just fully just read does a lap around

1:23:43.840 --> 1:23:45.200
<v Speaker 1>people and egots a second time.

1:23:45.320 --> 1:23:47.720
<v Speaker 2>You know what's gonna be. It's that married couple that

1:23:47.760 --> 1:23:50.320
<v Speaker 2>wrote the Frozen song. Those fuckers are just gonna keep

1:23:50.439 --> 1:23:53.240
<v Speaker 2>gotting in circles and just like fucking each other with

1:23:53.280 --> 1:23:57.960
<v Speaker 2>their Oscar dildos like they are. They can't stop winning.

1:23:58.720 --> 1:24:01.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess you know more about that Frozen couple

1:24:01.840 --> 1:24:07.240
<v Speaker 1>than I do. But oh, another thing is is if

1:24:07.320 --> 1:24:09.800
<v Speaker 1>mrsha Hart is gonna go to the VMA's and get

1:24:09.840 --> 1:24:12.200
<v Speaker 1>em party and she's gonna miss her flight, everyone's just

1:24:12.200 --> 1:24:14.320
<v Speaker 1>got to give her a pass. She's the hardest working

1:24:14.360 --> 1:24:16.080
<v Speaker 1>woman in show business and we're just gonna give her

1:24:16.120 --> 1:24:18.640
<v Speaker 1>a fucking pass. Okay, she'll get to set when she

1:24:18.680 --> 1:24:19.920
<v Speaker 1>gets to set, Okay.

1:24:20.520 --> 1:24:23.759
<v Speaker 2>And this is not fully a post mortem, but Bade

1:24:23.880 --> 1:24:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Wong was on last Culturista's podcast one that I listened

1:24:27.000 --> 1:24:30.479
<v Speaker 2>to with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, and they asked

1:24:30.560 --> 1:24:33.400
<v Speaker 2>him to describe Marishka in three words. And I think

1:24:33.600 --> 1:24:36.160
<v Speaker 2>you guys might would like to hear this. You can

1:24:36.200 --> 1:24:41.640
<v Speaker 2>listen to the episode. But he described Marishka as dedicated, moral,

1:24:42.080 --> 1:24:42.840
<v Speaker 2>and irreverent.

1:24:43.840 --> 1:24:45.080
<v Speaker 3>So that's pretty funny.

1:24:45.120 --> 1:24:47.439
<v Speaker 2>And then Matt goes, we love a moral queen, and

1:24:47.479 --> 1:24:49.639
<v Speaker 2>I just keep saying that to myself over and over

1:24:49.680 --> 1:24:50.880
<v Speaker 2>on my walks to nobody.

1:24:50.960 --> 1:24:53.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm just like, we love a moral queen.

1:24:55.880 --> 1:24:59.679
<v Speaker 2>Queen for sure. So that's just something that I thought

1:24:59.720 --> 1:25:01.800
<v Speaker 2>you guys would like to know. But yeah, also, if

1:25:01.800 --> 1:25:04.519
<v Speaker 2>you see something, say something or not, I don't know,

1:25:04.600 --> 1:25:06.960
<v Speaker 2>or it could be safe, but yeah, no, definitely.

1:25:06.960 --> 1:25:09.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean like people in the building of this, like

1:25:09.479 --> 1:25:11.960
<v Speaker 1>if you if you're someone is in your building that

1:25:12.040 --> 1:25:15.240
<v Speaker 1>you feel like is But that's tricky too because it's

1:25:15.280 --> 1:25:17.960
<v Speaker 1>like there's biases and there's things you don't know about

1:25:18.000 --> 1:25:20.519
<v Speaker 1>what's going on with people's families, like you don't.

1:25:20.400 --> 1:25:22.280
<v Speaker 4>Know all chat services.

1:25:21.760 --> 1:25:23.719
<v Speaker 2>To cultural services because you hear somebody.

1:25:23.560 --> 1:25:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Maybe yelling at their kid, like you know, it's like

1:25:26.280 --> 1:25:28.320
<v Speaker 1>that's it's just not necessary just because it's like the

1:25:28.360 --> 1:25:29.400
<v Speaker 1>way you wouldn't do it.

1:25:29.400 --> 1:25:31.599
<v Speaker 4>It's it's a slippery slope.

1:25:31.680 --> 1:25:34.080
<v Speaker 2>So I also just keep thinking about how their fridge

1:25:34.200 --> 1:25:37.519
<v Speaker 2>was stocked and it's like, I know that's something like

1:25:37.560 --> 1:25:41.080
<v Speaker 2>the yogurt like that, it's like they had the means,

1:25:41.080 --> 1:25:41.960
<v Speaker 2>like what the fuck?

1:25:42.120 --> 1:25:43.920
<v Speaker 1>No, it was like I think it was like this

1:25:43.960 --> 1:25:46.439
<v Speaker 1>little girl was strong willed, and it's like they say,

1:25:46.439 --> 1:25:48.240
<v Speaker 1>it's like how we talked about in the fritzl case.

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<v Speaker 4>It was more satisfied.

1:25:49.240 --> 1:25:51.479
<v Speaker 1>He had so many daughters to choose from, he chose

1:25:51.520 --> 1:25:53.760
<v Speaker 1>the one whose spirit he wanted to break. You know,

1:25:54.400 --> 1:25:57.400
<v Speaker 1>like this little girl was probably really strong willed, and

1:25:57.439 --> 1:26:01.400
<v Speaker 1>that was just like that something in this in this

1:26:01.560 --> 1:26:03.920
<v Speaker 1>father and this mother that where they punished her all

1:26:03.960 --> 1:26:04.320
<v Speaker 1>the time.

1:26:04.560 --> 1:26:06.920
<v Speaker 2>And maybe we can all focus on not looking away

1:26:07.040 --> 1:26:10.439
<v Speaker 2>when things are difficult and taking that extra moment to

1:26:10.600 --> 1:26:13.479
<v Speaker 2>like reach out to someone that's on the street or

1:26:13.520 --> 1:26:14.640
<v Speaker 2>like give someone.

1:26:14.400 --> 1:26:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Money or go pro to.

1:26:16.400 --> 1:26:18.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, just don't look away if you have

1:26:18.160 --> 1:26:22.040
<v Speaker 2>an opportunity. Yeah, that's great advice. Well, because now I'm

1:26:22.080 --> 1:26:25.720
<v Speaker 2>thinking about that. What's happening in Echo Park. That's all

1:26:25.800 --> 1:26:28.360
<v Speaker 2>so fucked up. That's like that kind of news, And

1:26:28.439 --> 1:26:32.320
<v Speaker 2>just like the Derek Chauvin trial starting, and then the

1:26:32.360 --> 1:26:36.400
<v Speaker 2>fucking laws, the Jim Crow laws that are happening in Atlanta.

1:26:36.439 --> 1:26:40.360
<v Speaker 2>It's just like, I know, shitty things have been happening always,

1:26:41.200 --> 1:26:43.000
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know if it's because the Internet or

1:26:43.000 --> 1:26:45.040
<v Speaker 2>we're more aware and we're older now or what, but

1:26:45.120 --> 1:26:47.559
<v Speaker 2>it just seems like so huge and so many shitty things.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know that that representative in Georgia who got

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<v Speaker 1>arrested for knocking is a friend of mine?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I did not.

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<v Speaker 1>Her brother is her brother is my good friend. She

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<v Speaker 1>went to my summer camp. I knew her when she

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<v Speaker 1>was a teenager, and oh yeah she I've been following

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<v Speaker 1>her career in the in politics and anyway. Yeah, if

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't read about what happened to park Cannon in Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>please look it up. She's awesome and I think, honestly

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be hearing a lot more from her,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>The one funny thing about that I saw on the

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<v Speaker 2>internet was someone wrote like, oh, if they want to

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<v Speaker 2>play petty, black people are the most petty people. And

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<v Speaker 2>if we can't have snacks one hundred and fifty feet

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<v Speaker 2>from the thing, we'll have a booth one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty one feet away. Trust us, we will be handing

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<v Speaker 2>out snacks. So I don't know, but I just wish

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<v Speaker 2>people didn't have to fight so hard, Like, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the thing, Like it's just it's just all too much.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, is that a lesson? Is that what

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<v Speaker 2>you like to hear? It's all too fucking much. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I hope you find the joy in your days,

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<v Speaker 2>but don't let things pass you by if you can

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<v Speaker 2>make a difference somehow.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's get into what would this you peg Do?

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<v Speaker 1>What this your peg Do is our weekly segment where

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<v Speaker 1>we direct you towards organizations or articles or resources that

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<v Speaker 1>can help shed some more light on the topic.

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<v Speaker 4>That we covered in today's episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Today, I mentioned earlier that I am a volunteer for

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<v Speaker 1>a foster advocacy organization called KASA. It stands for quarter

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<v Speaker 1>Pointed Special Advocate. These arequarter pointed special advocates and guardians

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<v Speaker 1>for foster children. And I joined this organization after Trump

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<v Speaker 1>was elected in twenty sixteen, and I was trained to

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<v Speaker 1>become a volunteer. And I've worked with a couple of kids.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm currently working with one. You work with one at

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<v Speaker 1>a time, and you basically are the child's advocate, so

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<v Speaker 1>you speak to the court on behalf of that child. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the child has a lawyer, the child's parents probably have

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<v Speaker 1>a lawyer. The child has social workers, they have teachers,

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<v Speaker 1>they have school counselors, they have all these people around them,

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<v Speaker 1>and your job is just to speak for the child

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<v Speaker 1>like you create a relationship with the child where you

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<v Speaker 1>can say what the child wants. It's a great organization.

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<v Speaker 1>I would encourage everybody to look into it. The website

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<v Speaker 1>is KASA gl dot org, so that's national CASA g

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<v Speaker 1>AL dot org.

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<v Speaker 4>That's also going to be in our show notes.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you have the time, it's really like once

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<v Speaker 1>you do the training, it's a monthly it's more of

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<v Speaker 1>a monthly commitment, and then you write court reports and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. But I think it really does make

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<v Speaker 1>a huge difference. There are statistics that show that kids

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<v Speaker 1>with kasas have more success with getting adopted or graduating school,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's just like extra eyes on kids in

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<v Speaker 1>this system. So yeah, you can message me if anyone

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<v Speaker 1>has any more questions about it. But I work for

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<v Speaker 1>the KASA in La and I know that they have

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<v Speaker 1>them all over the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Kara, I'm very proud to be your friend.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you are you are ACASA, and that you

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<v Speaker 2>know these kids are lucky enough to work with you. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>next week you're welcome. Don't interrupt me again. Okay, next

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<v Speaker 2>week we will be covering the episode intent season nineteen,

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