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Speaker 1: Hello's treaty allowed listeners. It's announcement time once again. Bee peep,

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Speaker 1: bee peep. I'm just putting this thing here to let

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Speaker 1: you know that we have a live show coming up

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Speaker 1: at the Bellhouse on July eight at seven thirty pm, which,

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Speaker 1: if you don't know, it's in Brooklyn, New York. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have special guests that we're so excited about. Um, friends,

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Speaker 1: I would say the theme of the special guests straight

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Speaker 1: all all Stars, sure, lave all Stars, villain's heroes, you

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Speaker 1: know a little bit of both. And it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the end of our season two. So we'd love for

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Speaker 1: you to come celebrate with us, and it'll be really fun.

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Speaker 1: I hope, no, I know, I know. Why would I

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Speaker 1: say that? You're being so insecure? I mean, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be iconic. It's gonna be the best night ever. And

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Speaker 1: as we said in a previous prerecorded announcement, we're also

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Speaker 1: going to all party afterwards. It's true. And now you go,

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Speaker 1: you see yours. And then the second thing we have

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Speaker 1: to announce is that, well what would a season be

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Speaker 1: without a earnestness bonanza? That's top it all off. So

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Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, you either have one or

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Speaker 1: two normal episodes left, and then after that will be

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Speaker 1: our Earnestness Bonanza, which will come out the last Tuesday

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Speaker 1: of June. I'm not going to look up what that

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Speaker 1: data is. You're going to have to do that yourself,

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Speaker 1: so make sure to get all your questions in email

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Speaker 1: us at Stradio Lab at gmail dot com. The way

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Speaker 1: earnest and Bananza works is that we answer questions that

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Speaker 1: listeners sent in. That's right, earnestly. Yeah, we sort of

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Speaker 1: answer questions as earnestly as we possibly can. And while

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Speaker 1: we're on the topic, if you subscribe to our Patreon,

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Speaker 1: you'll get that literally once a month. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that's it. I think we did. That's announcements. Come to

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Speaker 1: the show, submit your questions, and enjoy the episode. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: the episode. Bye bye, okay podcast arts Now, Well, what's

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Speaker 1: up everybody across the globe? You're listening to? And can

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Speaker 1: I just say, who do you who to all our

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Speaker 1: all our glamor girls today? More than ever we today?

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Speaker 1: Is a sure, But I don't know what the phrase means.

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Speaker 1: But let's say it's a red letter day, a red

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Speaker 1: It's like, of all the letters, it really looks like

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Speaker 1: something not a lot of our listeners can say. Well,

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Speaker 1: but it is a big day for many reasons. I

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Speaker 1: think it's a big day because it is our season

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Speaker 1: finale before our PostScript with which is going to be

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Speaker 1: our Earnestness bonanza. But this is the last you know,

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Speaker 1: also a banner day because it is norris second time

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Speaker 1: Because she does, she still covers her baseless, she still

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Speaker 1: her motto her this is her motto, it's Everyone's a client.

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Speaker 1: So like that's and that's kind of She's also working

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Speaker 1: in ways that may not feel the most authentic. You

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Speaker 1: feel like you are suddenly implicated in systems that before

423
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Speaker 1: you're outside of. Thank you, Thank you, George. That's that's

424
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: literally what's happening. And I'm on stage and then stand up,

425
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like toying with that, and I make

426
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: jokes right now about being like trans rich and like

427
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: what that means and stuff like that. So I feel

428
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: like that's the realness of it is that I just like,

429
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: that's what's happening. But I'm actually not very succesful. I'm

430
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: not a successful person. So don't if you're worried about that.

431
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: If you're listening, don't worry. Yeah. Yeah, it's sounds success.

432
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: It sounds like backpedaling. It sounds like sort of not

433
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: really trying to pretend you're part of the you know,

434
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: comedy open listening. The other day, I was filling my

435
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: car with gas and I looked at how much it

436
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: was and you and I said, I said, boy, that's

437
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: a lot. I said, boy, that's a lot of money.

438
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: That's that's a lot of money up there. That's expensive gas.

439
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: I send that and then what you mean? And then

440
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: you said, but who cares? I'm rich? Yeah, And then

441
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: you burned twenty dollar bill. You can't prove that for

442
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 1: your fans on TikTok. You actually put it on, that's what.

443
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: And then when people started coming for you, you deleted

444
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: it and then posted again about gun reform. It's like, again,

445
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: like it's not you. I did a bag reveal and

446
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: I and I did do hashtag stop the Violence, and

447
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: I know that. Yeah, it was also awkward because then

448
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 1: when you open your bag and had a handgun in it,

449
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: and people were likenoring, you're missing the point. It was

450
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 1: a statement. It was a statement, and everybody knows that. No,

451
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: that's a good make you you love making statement. That's

452
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: pretty got one of the things your fans like the

453
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: most about you. Oh yeah, yeah, no, but I do

454
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying about. You know, you're simply in

455
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: a different place now than you were the first time

456
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: you to the podcast. And I think we would like

457
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: to get to a place where you can come on

458
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: the podcast to check in every time there's a change

459
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: in your status in anyway financially speaking. Yeah, so like

460
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 1: next tax bracket, you have to let us know when

461
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: you have to come on the podcast. It's basically every

462
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: time you move up a tax bracket. And yes you're

463
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: not like in the you know, you're not like in

464
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: the number one tax bracket, but you have proved up

465
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: and so like every time you move up, you have

466
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: to come and check in and we have to see,

467
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: like how it's affecting your mental health. Yeah. I like that.

468
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: I think when I sell, when I sell something, I

469
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Speaker 1: think I want to come back here and talk about that. Okay, great,

470
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: it is an we have an open door policy specifically

471
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: for you and maybe a couple of other people, but

472
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: not for everyone, and specifically for people that sell something. Yeah. Well,

473
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, we're also moving. We're in a similar space

474
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: as you in terms of us as a small business

475
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,479
Speaker 1: because we are also uh you know, yeah, we're not

476
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: WTF with Mark Marin, but we're certainly we have a

477
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: bigger audience now than we did the first time we

478
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: spoke to you, and we're now also grappling with how

479
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: to navigate that. Sam, what do you think? I think

480
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: you're completely correct. It's so hard. We used to sort

481
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: of be podcast industry outsiders, tearing down the industry um

482
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: from the bottom up, and now sort of we are

483
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,959
Speaker 1: i'd say, upper middle class podcast industry, and we are

484
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: actually part of the system that keeps other podcasters down exactly.

485
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: And we don't live you know, we don't live in

486
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: a penthouse. We don't live in Tribeca, but we do

487
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: live in a well of the suburb of New Jersey

488
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: that's like a commuter town for people that work in Manhattan. Yeah,

489
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: you can has a question. Yeah, yeah, Um, do you

490
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: feel like you guys hold the door open for people

491
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: behind you or do you feel like you closed that door? Sea?

492
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: I mean, we had Charlie Barday come and let him

493
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: talk about his podcast. That's pretty good. The fact that

494
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: you you are now painting Charlie Bardet as being behind us, No,

495
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: I mean like in the podcast. Yes, in podcast years,

496
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: Charlie's podcast is newer than ours, and so we had

497
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: him on and he promoted it on our podcast, and

498
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: he talked about how it it gave it a little bump.

499
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: That's right, And yes, that's right he did. He did

500
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: say that. In other ways, of course he's ahead and

501
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: he should be pulling us towards him. Yeah, but in

502
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: the only in the one specific in podcasting specifically, we

503
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: pulled him up behind us. Yeah. I can't believe you're

504
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: painting me as someone that was sort of starting to

505
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: rank people on things other than podcast industry. I'm staying

506
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: in the lane. I'm I'm just trying to talk about

507
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: podcasting right now. Here's the thing, though, for every Charlie

508
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: bar Day, there is someone else who, unbeknownst to us,

509
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: thinks we didn't pull them up. And that's I think Also,

510
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: maybe something nor that you might struggle with is like

511
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: you think you're doing a good job day to day.

512
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: You think you have you know, you have this open

513
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: kind spirit, but you never know who is passing you

514
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: by and and has a different opinion of you. Well,

515
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: I just feel, I personally feel like trans people are

516
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: not very funny, and so it's hard what what you

517
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: can't what I thought this was? I didn't you say

518
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: that this is a safe space, so you think trans

519
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: people aren't funny? I know that's not what I said.

520
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: I said that a lot of trans people are not

521
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: very funny, because well, a lot of SISS people aren't

522
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: very funny. Don't make it about says people, And why

523
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: would you make this about I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

524
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: I tried to center myself with that's so weird. Um okay,

525
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: But anyways, all I'm saying is like, you know, I

526
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: want to hold that door open, and I am holding

527
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: that door open, but it's like who's coming, Like who's

528
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: coming through the door? So you're holding it open, but

529
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: there is a door, there is a door. You are

530
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: both holding the door, and you are the bouncer sort

531
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: of like checking off people's looks and seeing if they're

532
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: good enough to get in. Yes, of course, the door

533
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: is open, But of course they're gonna appe someone at

534
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: the door who's like checking, who's checking I D. And

535
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: they're check and they're okay that that might be the cards. Yeah,

536
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 1: they're checking backs, cards, they're checking I D, they're checking

537
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, kind of other things. You know, So of

538
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 1: course there's I kind of like that as a policy.

539
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: You know, you're leaving the door open, but hiring a bouncer. Absolutely,

540
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: that's beautiful. Um I can you guys hear my upstairs

541
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: neighbor just absolutely rocking out? No? Not really, Oh great,

542
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: that's great. It does it every time you do that,

543
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: it does feel like we're gasolate, Like me and the

544
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: guests are gasolate because we always say we can't hear it,

545
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: and yet it is one of the biggest things in

546
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: your life that you talk about. See, this is like

547
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: how no one knows what's going on. Like everyone thinks

548
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm like so confident and cool recording this podcast, and

549
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: I've actually been dealing with so much trauma of this

550
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: man rocking out the entire time and thinking they can

551
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: hear it, and they're being polite by not saying anything,

552
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: but actually I'm ruining the recording. But in reality, I'm not.

553
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: And I even texted him while we were having this

554
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: conversation to be like, could you stop. Oh I thought

555
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: you were distracted him. You're mad at him, and you're

556
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: roping us into it. Yeah, this is not really our problem. No,

557
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at him. I'm literally lifting up his voice.

558
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: I think, like talking about opening the door, like I'm

559
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: like making sure that he gets a platform to play

560
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: guitar into my podcast. Didn't you just text him to

561
00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: tell him the stuff? There's a bouncer holding the door, okay,

562
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: and there's like you can come in a little and

563
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: then you have to leave. Can I just back up

564
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: a little bit? And just can I back up a

565
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: little bit? I just want to say that that was

566
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: a bit. Trans people are inherently free. Trans people are funny,

567
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: like like into their core, they're a joke and that's

568
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: why they're That doesn't sound better, Okay, which one is that?

569
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry? Which one do you want? Because you're giving

570
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: me all these looks like I'm saying the wrong things.

571
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to say the right thing and then you

572
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: keep looking at me like I'm saying the wrong thing. No, No,

573
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: we are uplifting you at every point and never have

574
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,239
Speaker 1: I uplifted another person more trans people are they? They

575
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: are I'm saying they are funny. You're funny looking. What

576
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: do you want that? Well? Should first? What you know?

577
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: This is why they always take you out of the

578
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: out one hundred last minute. For the last five years

579
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: you have been included in the the out one hundred.

580
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: You do the photo shoot, you actually look incredible, You're

581
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: you look like Kim Kardashian at them. Even do the carpet.

582
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: They let me do the carpet too. Yeah, they like

583
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: to do the carpet. And then as soon as someone

584
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: asked you a question, this kind of rhetoric starts. They

585
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: recalled the magazine, they reprinted. It's just I mean, it's costly,

586
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: it's bad for the environment. Honestly, five years in a row,

587
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: can I just say that it's it feels so good

588
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: to make fun of like trans people and stuff like that.

589
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: And then what's what, No, no, no, I'm gonna make

590
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: it better. I'm gonna make it better. But what I'm

591
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: saying is that, like it sucks because like right now

592
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: in the country, like there is like all of this

593
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: like really bad stuff happening to trans people. And the

594
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: worst part of that is it affects my comedy, Like

595
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: that's the real victim. It's not the trans kids in Texas.

596
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: It's mean where we read because I can't do jokes

597
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: about trans people because they don't land anymore because we

598
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: are under attacks, so I cannot attack trans people anymore. Yeah,

599
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: it is, And that is the argument you're trying to

600
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: make when you're interviewed by these out magazines. That's what

601
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: I tell them. Yeah, these kind of freelancers that never

602
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: get paid, um that you know, you you try to

603
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: explain this it's radical to ba. But then they you know,

604
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: of course they work at out magazine. So their response

605
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: is like, so you so do you think Liver and

606
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: Cox is iconic? And you're like, well, that's not really

607
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: what this is about. Like I'm trying to make a

608
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: more nuanced argument, and they're like, are you gagging? Yeah,

609
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: that's what happens. And then when off they turn off

610
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: the they turn off the recording thing and they say, listen,

611
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: we have an obligation to our tour advertisers. And that's

612
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: ultimately what you know, zip block bag. They're not going

613
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: to be happy when you say that trans people are

614
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: funny looking. Okay, that's not always the block. It's not ziplock.

615
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: That's what they always say. They say, that's not very

616
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: zip it's not very ziplock. And so that's kind of

617
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: what happens. I'm just I'm happy to be here. I'm

618
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: happy to be saying the things that I believe, and

619
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: to be a really for you guys to feel the

620
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: same way that I feel. Well, I wouldn't go that

621
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: bar Oh, well, you're nodding. You're nodding everything I said.

622
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: You got nodding your head. Yes, that's just to imply like, yes,

623
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm listening to you. I mean, what Sam is saying

624
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: is that while we were while literally while this conversation

625
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: was happening, we actually landed the zip block account. So

626
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: they're now advertised. So it's actually really difficult because I'm

627
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 1: kind of knowing right now, you know, the paperwork's not official.

628
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: But I also don't want to say anything that isn't

629
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: zip block in the meantime because honestly, for us, you know,

630
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: we're an independent podcast, it's a big deal to get

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like we give you the bag, it's

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Speaker 1: up to you what you put inside, you know. And

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Speaker 1: then it's like and then it's like different. Actually it's

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Speaker 1: like I should just work in marketing. But it's like

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Speaker 1: the in the bag that's a collectible. Yeah, yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: should we do our first segment. Yeah, okay, yeah, Um, George,

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Speaker 1: will you introduce it? I would be delighted and honor

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Speaker 1: to Nori read beloved guests of this podcast. Our first segment,

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Speaker 1: as you know, is called Straight Shooters, and in it

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Speaker 1: we gauge your familiarity with in complicity and straight cultures

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Speaker 1: by giving you a series of rapid fire questions. We

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Speaker 1: have to choose one thing or another thing, and the

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Speaker 1: one role is you can't ask any follow up questions. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I love this game. Nori. Here is your first question,

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Speaker 1: cowering to the woke mob or ordering a delicious chicken

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Speaker 1: kebab Ordering a delicious chicken kebab. Okay, this one's actually

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Speaker 1: kind of topical based on what we were just discussing,

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Speaker 1: being out of the closet or being in your bag,

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Speaker 1: being in your back. Okay, Nori, A, B, C, D

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Speaker 1: or literally joining the Marines, um uh literally joining the Marine,

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I weirdly think is that I

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Speaker 1: think we should introduce the topic. Yeah. I mean this

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Speaker 1: is the latest we've ever done the first segment, which

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Speaker 1: I think is actually really funny, and I returned to

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Speaker 1: form Yeah so, but I do think it's appropriate now

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Speaker 1: to sort of get into the topic. And I actually, Nori,

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Speaker 1: I would love for you to give us some back

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Speaker 1: story as to how we got to this topic today. Well,

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Speaker 1: I George asked me, you know, very last minute to

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Speaker 1: trim up with the topic. And you know, I'm very busy,

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Speaker 1: as we all know, a lot of stuff deals, movies,

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Speaker 1: movie deals, and so I didn't really have time. So

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Speaker 1: I thought, okay, wait a second. You know, I'm pretty unprepared, right,

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Speaker 1: kind of feels queer coded, right, So would it be

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Speaker 1: straight culture to be overprepared. It's very the personalist political. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: You notice you were doing something and then you thought

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Speaker 1: to yourself, well, this is part of a rich history

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Speaker 1: of queerness. Absolutely, And it helps if you're a narcissist,

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Speaker 1: because then you're like, oh, if I'm feeling this way,

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Speaker 1: everyone is yeah, yeah, yeah. I think so many people

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Speaker 1: fail on this podcast because they forget to put themselves

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Speaker 1: into the topic. George named the top five people who

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Speaker 1: have failed on this podcast. Max Twitter, No, I do think,

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Speaker 1: you know, I do think often people go broad because

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Speaker 1: they're like they're intimidated by the concept of straight culture,

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Speaker 1: you know, because they think they think they have to

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Speaker 1: say something profound. It's it's it's like asking someone like,

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Speaker 1: what's the problem with the Democratic Party and something that

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Speaker 1: think they have to overthink things, and it's like, no,

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Speaker 1: it's just Chuck Shumer. So we think what you did

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Speaker 1: is so brave and so smart. Where thank you you

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Speaker 1: drew from personal experience, not a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: brave enough to do that. I appreciate that. I think

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Speaker 1: for me, a lot of the inspiration comes from work

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Speaker 1: because I feel like, um, as a queer person, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I have a very improv heart. Like I I just

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Speaker 1: think life is improv It's kind of like like I

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Speaker 1: you know, I feel like I have the goods to

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Speaker 1: kind of like meet the moment, you know, So sometimes

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Speaker 1: I just don't really like prepare at work. And I

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Speaker 1: noticed that a lot of um, and this is gonna

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Speaker 1: get intersectional. I do apologize because this is gonna get

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Speaker 1: a little intersectional. And thank you for apologize, okay, because

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Speaker 1: I know that that's you know, we're not Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: kind of undecided on intersectionality exactly exactly. And so at work,

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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of assists women I work

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Speaker 1: with are like who are straight, are like overly prepared

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Speaker 1: to a point of like insanity of like I'm like,

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Speaker 1: how would you even I'm like, why would you even

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Speaker 1: need why? It feels performative almost in a way where

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Speaker 1: I'm like, why you don't even need to write? Why

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Speaker 1: would you write that down? That's like, we don't we

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Speaker 1: would never need to know that in the future, and

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Speaker 1: so sometimes it makes me feel and this is this

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Speaker 1: is where it's intersectional, a little dysphoric, because I'm like,

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Speaker 1: in my a my a woman, because I'm right. It's

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Speaker 1: in those moments where I'm like, oh, I don't feel

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Speaker 1: I feel so separate from the sist women in my office.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm like, oh, wait a second, do they

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Speaker 1: think I'm a man? Because are all the men kind

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Speaker 1: of like because you know, straight men very very um classically,

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Speaker 1: very famously you know, competenting it. Yeah, they're just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: whatever the funk. Like, So it's funny because those moments

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Speaker 1: I'm like, interesting, is this like straight or is it gender?

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Speaker 1: Is that obviously race has a lot to do with

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Speaker 1: being prepared or unprepared. I don't know. Yeah, it really

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Speaker 1: can go both ways because on the one hand, you know,

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Speaker 1: by sexual people, when you said go both ways, yes,

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Speaker 1: I forgot by sexual people, that's what you said. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I was, I was sorry going to call

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Speaker 1: you out on anything by sexual people. But it's also

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Speaker 1: like being overprepared, is I guess a response to feeling

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Speaker 1: like you have to go above and beyond because you

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Speaker 1: are traditionally not hurt in the traditional cis normative lean

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Speaker 1: in framework, it's very much like women are always over prepared.

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Speaker 1: Women take notes at the meetings and men don't have

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Speaker 1: to do that because society is on their side. And

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Speaker 1: this is in a world where everyone is sis, straight, white,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's only two kinds of women? Is that

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. I'm sorry, wait, what did you say?

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Speaker 1: You say You're like, there's a world everyone sists white, straight,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, sounds pretty nice, right, Is

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Speaker 1: that where we're going? No, I'm like, I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 1: like with like, this is this like imaginary world that,

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Speaker 1: like a business book would have you believe exists, right,

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Speaker 1: But that then they haven't taken into account all other

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00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: intersecting systems of oppression. Yes, and so now we get

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Speaker 1: to a point where it's like, well, maybe being prepared

792
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Speaker 1: is not something marginalized people do, it's something a very

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Speaker 1: specific kind of marginalized person does, that person being SIS women.

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Speaker 1: I would agree with everything you're saying, because the more

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Speaker 1: I think about it, there are other intersectional people in

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Speaker 1: the room who, in a stereotypical way, you would think, oh,

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Speaker 1: because they're so marginalized, they must be very prepared because

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Speaker 1: they don't have as many opportunities whatever, whatever foundation for

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Speaker 1: why certain people prepare some people don't prepare. But then

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Speaker 1: I think about it, and there's people in the room

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Speaker 1: who are extremely by all accounts, quote unquote marginalized, who

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Speaker 1: wing it so so when it comes to levels of power,

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Speaker 1: they might have the least amount of power in that room,

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Speaker 1: but they're also winging it. So I I want, I

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Speaker 1: feel like we actually it's time to break apart this

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Speaker 1: possible stereotype that marginalized people are overprepared. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: there's a CIS white straight women are so close to

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Speaker 1: the power that I think there's something where they feel

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Speaker 1: that the if they play, if they buy into it

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Speaker 1: and be overprepared, they will maybe one day receive the

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Speaker 1: full benefits of the power. And CIS white gays as well,

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Speaker 1: and gays as well. And I feel maybe the like

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Speaker 1: other marginalized people are far enough a way that they

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Speaker 1: kind of think it's bullshit and won't prepare. So SIS

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Speaker 1: white women and SIS white gays, they're like, oh, I see,

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Speaker 1: I'm marginalized, but if I just prepare, that should rarely

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Speaker 1: kind of right on the edge, set me right over,

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Speaker 1: like yeah, sure, I can like make that's the slide deck. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But then if you're farther away, then you're like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna try fifteen times as hard just to

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Speaker 1: get the same result, so I might as well wing it.

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Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense, at least with sis

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Speaker 1: white women who are straight, because so much of me

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Speaker 1: being quick and like with it is is part of

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Speaker 1: that is being raised othered in my community and having

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Speaker 1: to develop those skills as a way to compensate for

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Speaker 1: the otherness. And so I feel like when I say like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I have the skills to meet the moment, I don't

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Speaker 1: need to be like overly prepared because like in the moment,

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Speaker 1: I can be quick and learn and whatever whatever. That

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Speaker 1: still comes from a place of having to be better,

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Speaker 1: having to be better. But I feel like if you're

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Speaker 1: grown up, if you grow up in a way where

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Speaker 1: you're not othered in that way, I feel like that

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Speaker 1: there's that is a variable in there somewhere. I think, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's also like if you grow up and are constantly

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Speaker 1: getting rewarded for preparing in this particular way, it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: you're prepared for your you know, to get into college

839
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: and you're prepared and did well in your first internship,

840
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: then you're prepared well in your first job out of college.

841
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 1: And it's just like, Okay, this is a form of thinking.

842
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: It's like it's cause and effect, Like the more I prepare,

843
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: the better I do. But what you're pointing to is

844
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: like you're also prepared, just in a different way. It's

845
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 1: more like it's it's it's like, uh, more of learning

846
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: to act in a certain way um at any given moment.

847
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: I feel like I learned at some point in my life,

848
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: I learned that no one knows what they're doing. Like

849
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I learned at him. I don't know

850
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: when that happened. I'd have to think about it, but

851
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: it's like at some point I was like, oh, everyone's

852
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: making this up. No one knows what they're doing, and

853
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: it's all acting, and so like you can really perform

854
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: in an in an office setting, there's ways to perform

855
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: diligence and like, you know whatever, And I feel like

856
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: some people don't understand that, and so they're actually or

857
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: maybe they're performing too. Maybe maybe they're performing I don't know,

858
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: but it's like it's kind of like no one knows

859
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Everyone's winging it like, you know, this

860
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: is very I want to say, sociology professors found Deadna

861
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: ditch um that a saying oh it is, now, what

862
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: are you gonna stop us? This is a classic sociology

863
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: professor dead, na ditch situation. This is like what, oh,

864
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: come on you, Okay, that's where you draw the line.

865
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: The line what does it mean? It's like, it's like

866
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: you're being a sociology professor better than an actual social

867
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: taking their jobs, and therefore they're dying and I killed them. Yeah, well,

868
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: the lack of you know, the lack of a social

869
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: safety is what killed them when they're yeah, exactly, they're

870
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: looking for jobs in academia. Meanwhile, you come out and

871
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: do their job better than them on a gay podcast.

872
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: But I didn't physically kill them, No, but the systems did.

873
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: It depends again, it depends on how implicated you are

874
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: in the system. Is the thing, Like, you're trying to

875
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: distance yourself from what you did because in your mind

876
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: you're like, well, I'm not like the other Like I'm

877
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: not like the other people that killed sociology professors. I'm

878
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: just a girl. I'm just a girl, thinking, thinking out loud,

879
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: thinking out loud. Ziplock girls who think out loud, it's them,

880
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: rather than having girls who code or like you know,

881
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: coding with Carly class. Your thing is just teaching girls

882
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: to think just not specific specifically out loud. Please don't

883
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: forget the last part. I want you to think out loud,

884
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: and I'm going to write it. I'm going to write

885
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: it down and I'm gonna take those ideas and then

886
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: pitch them and then jumps with Megan. She's she's nice.

887
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: People don't know that well to you because like you

888
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: and her have a relationship that's very like Hacks, Like

889
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: you're your Ava and Hacks. And they assigned you to

890
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: Megan Markel. They're like, you need a comedy writer. Yeah,

891
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean, did we go to Vegas? Do I follow

892
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: her around? Do we have this kind of like mentor

893
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: mentee like psycho sexual psycho sexual fighter fuck like like energy? Yes? Okay,

894
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: but it's not like Hacks. I don't like that you

895
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: It's not anything. It's not like no. No, does she

896
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: have her residency at one of the big hotels on

897
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: the strip and she does she does a comedy set? Yes, yeah,

898
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: but she does. It's nothing. She does she lip sinks

899
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: her own Oprah interview every night for a Vegas audience.

900
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: Then people pay a lot of money, a lot of

901
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: money for that. I would pay a ship ton of

902
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: money for that same. Yes, And who plays Oprah? Trixie Mattel,

903
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: Trixie Matzel, And it's it's one of those RuPaul situations

904
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: where it's a little bronzer. It's just bronze earth, there's

905
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: nothing more. It's not bad. It's technically yeah, it's just

906
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: bronzer and a fat suit. All it is. That's all

907
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: it is. But people want to make a make a

908
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: big deal about it. People are always trying to make

909
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: and then it falls on you to write, you know,

910
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: to like address it as her writer. And the moment

911
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: there's any controversy, it's, oh, I didn't write it. She

912
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: is so sneaky it's crazy. M hmm. And where's Harry

913
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: and all of this? I was literally Harry and all

914
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: of this? I mean, I don't know. He's certainly not

915
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: in Vegas. He's back in Santa Barbara. No, he's the

916
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: understudy for Tricks and Mattel for Oprah. He's putting on

917
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: a fat suit. He's he keeps poisoning Tricksy because he

918
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: wants to that moment. Yeah, tricks He's been in the

919
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: hospital for months because he is dying, dying, and no

920
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 1: one believes that it's Prince Harry because of his royal privilege,

921
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: but it's him. And I know he's doing Munchausen by

922
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: proxy because he's taking care of Tricksy in the hospital.

923
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: He goes and gets her soup every day, he brings

924
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: her snacks. He then posts, he posts like selfies and

925
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: it's like drinks with um what's it called going in

926
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: her nose? Uh? Those tubes, little tubes, those little tubes.

927
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: And he's posting selfies and he's like, my girl is

928
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: going to get through this. She's been through so much before.

929
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: And then Trixie's mouthing helped me. But then he turns

930
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: off the camera and you know where. We're back to Terry.

931
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: We're back to Terry Shivo and we found our way back,

932
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: We found our way back there. Oh my god, the

933
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: original Glamour Girl, the original Glamour Girl. And if you

934
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: don't get that reference, then turn this podcast off right

935
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: the fucking out and go listen to Nori's other this

936
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: podcast because it needs your history. You need to know

937
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: your history. And if you don't get the Terry Shiva

938
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: was the first Glamour girl and how that in fact

939
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: put our podcast in a completely new direction when that

940
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: was positive, then you don't deserve to be listening to this.

941
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: And if you don't like start crying right now at

942
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: how we actually got back to that, then like you

943
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: need to like check in with yourself and like read

944
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: a poem or something because you were so out of

945
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: touch with your emotional side. It's like kind of dark. Yeah,

946
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 1: you need to go read a poem right now, because

947
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: there needs to be there needs to be a thing,

948
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like an EpiPen when but like

949
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,479
Speaker 1: for when you're not in touch with your emotional side,

950
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: where you open it an emergency poem. That's definitely something

951
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: like a library would do on like National Poem Day.

952
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: We can ask a question, Yes, what's the vibe in

953
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: New York right now? In what capacity? Like what's the vibe? Yeah, No,

954
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: that's a good question. Um, private you think so? I

955
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: think everyone's in their little holes. I think everyone's like

956
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: kind of keeping secrets. That's kind of what I feel

957
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: like the vibe is. Actually, it does feel like everyone

958
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: is finding their place interesting. I would say there's a

959
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: sort of I'm very aware of the spaces I'm meant

960
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: to be in and the spaces I'm not meant to

961
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: be in. And maybe that goes back to private too.

962
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: It's like there's not a lot of exploring interest saying yeah,

963
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: what's the vibe in l a M. I would say,

964
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: like like quietly traumatized. I feel like everyone's like very

965
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: much like I feel like everyone's doing their best to

966
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: just like be just to keep there because there's there's

967
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: no other choice other than just to like keep living

968
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: our lives and do our little silly all of the

969
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: silly things that we do. But I feel like there

970
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: is a lot of like trauma. I feel like everyone's

971
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: just kind of Yeah, it's a little bubbling under the surface. Perhaps, Yeah,

972
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot bumbling under the surface. And it's weird

973
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: because summer is coming slash here and it's um I

974
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: know you guys, you guys were talking about summer and

975
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: your interest. Yeah, because to me that actually what you're

976
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: describing felt like summer. Yeah, we're well, we're always behind you.

977
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: I feel like we're always just like one year, but

978
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: one year yeah. I do feel like for us, summer

979
00:57:55,040 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: twenty one was failed cliff girl summer, going in wanting

980
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: to be a cliff girl and then accidentally tripping, and

981
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: then this summer we've learned from our mistakes, whereas you

982
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,479
Speaker 1: guys potentially have not learned from your mistakes yet because

983
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: it's still I still am having conversations and people were like, yes,

984
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: six summer skier, we're gonna like and it's like, like,

985
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, like what do you mean, Like no, honey,

986
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: like summer is not here, like we're I don't know.

987
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too dark. I have a

988
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: tendency to get to I I sometimes get too too

989
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: dark and that's I think that's my issue. But it

990
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: is dark here. It's a little dark. Yeah. Well, there's

991
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: always an undercurrent of darkness in l A always, and

992
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: I say that I'm not like one of those people

993
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: who hates l A. But it is just an undercurrent

994
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: of darkness. I mean, it is a city built on

995
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: failed dreams. To words Viper Room. As soon as you

996
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: said that, my mind, Amelie was like the Viper Room. Yeah,

997
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 1: I mean I think that's like literally the most evil

998
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: sounding location on the planet. Absolutely I want to go

999
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: to the Viper Room. No, I would rather stay alive.

1000
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: Think thanks and who who's the premier owner? Johnny Depp?

1001
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: Really yeah, we do not have to go there. You

1002
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: want to? No, we don't want to. I don't really

1003
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: want to. I mean I could, I don't care, not

1004
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: a baby. No, No, great, we could definitely, Like I

1005
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: just wanted to listen to know, like we could go there,

1006
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: but but we don't. But I honestly agree, I don't

1007
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: want to. Yeah, but we but like we're not going

1008
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: to because we respect our listeners too much exactly. M h,

1009
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: You're making me think more deeply about the vibe in

1010
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: New York. I am like desperately like racking my brain

1011
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: and trying to figure it out. I think there's a

1012
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: there's a bit of a I think I want to

1013
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: stay like a shedding, like a something feels not to

1014
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: like bring up like vibe shift article or whatever. But

1015
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: there does feel like the things three years ago that

1016
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: I liked I'm not liking anymore. And I don't know,

1017
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: like I feel there's a newness coming. I feel like

1018
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: certain lighting styles and restaurants are being a little bit

1019
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: different and like, yes, I'm seeing things where I'm like, okay,

1020
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: like in a way that I kind of like where

1021
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, time is moving in a good way.

1022
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: But I love the shedding of skin. You're absolutely right,

1023
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: Like it's like you know again, not to it's the

1024
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: most obvious example, but like the aesthetic of like bare

1025
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: Scandinavian chic white and and would with a little cactus

1026
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: is over, and so it's a wild wild West for

1027
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: what's coming after that. Yeah. Separately, everyone is dressing like

1028
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: like a literal court jesture in a way I have

1029
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: not seen it is and not just that, but like

1030
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: it is people who I'm sorry, but people I am

1031
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: friends with the no intimately who two years ago dressed

1032
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: normal and are now dressing like a court jester. It's

1033
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: like they they were young, they grew up, they found

1034
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: their style, they were ready cut to now suddenly court jester.

1035
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: I think people are throwing noodles at the wall because

1036
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: no one knows what it's gonna be, what's actually going

1037
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: to be the look, So right now it's almost a

1038
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: brainstorm phase as a collective. Yes, and in fact I

1039
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: want to even um take back what I said. I

1040
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: know court gesture has become kind of a meme in

1041
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: in our in our sister podcasts cultures, So so I

1042
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: don't want to claim that for us. So I'm trying

1043
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: to think, like what is another description? It's it's like,

1044
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I have already said that it is limited

1045
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: to girl. It's like girl who shops it limited to Yeah,

1046
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: would like Harlequinn be a word I don't like from

1047
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing, I think Harley Quinn. I think it

1048
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: actually literally is Harley Quinn. That is the new style

1049
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: because what I'm I'm you know, I'm famously always on

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01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: TikTok and it's like there I follow, like there's like

1051
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: an account that's just like what people are wearing in

1052
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: New York or whatever. It's like, and the stuff that

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01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: i'm it's just like the most insane layering that you've

1054
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: ever seen in your life. Like the layering that people

1055
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: are doing is psycho Yeah, it's psychotic. Yeah. There's almost

1056
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: something where like we should not have popularized fashion. It

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01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: should have remained an elitist institution, like just have the

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01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: coutour houses and if you're if you're a Vanderbilt, you

1059
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: can buy address. Everyone else just owns like two things

1060
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: and they have to keep wearing them. Yeah, yeah, we

1061
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: need to have government mandated sacks. Yeah. And if yeah, sure,

1062
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: if you're really rich, if you're an oil barren, you

1063
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: get to wear a shirt and you're gonna look, but

1064
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna slay the run way. But if you're just

1065
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: a person, wear your sack and don't think of yourself

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01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: as special. Right, And also, can I say something, we

1067
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: need to bring back supermodels. Not everyone can be a model,

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01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, thank you? And and I do first

1069
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: of all, just to be clear, like I'm not saying

1070
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: that in a sense of the beauty standards and the

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01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: and the size is um and everything like that. Like

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01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: the supermodels themselves can be all different kinds of people. However,

1073
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: there needs to be seven of them. Absolutely, it can't

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01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: be everyone. Yeah yeah, because at this point I feel

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01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: like everyone is a model. Yeah it's not a very

1076
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: good one and not a good one. No. Well, it's

1077
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: a fracturing of all culture, you know. Yeah. Well it's

1078
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: like if everyone is a model for the budget brand,

1079
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: who is left to model the couture? I like this

1080
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: is what I mean by like my life became a

1081
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: little bit less relatable? Is that? Brat's the like doll

1082
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: company like made me into a Bratstall. Okay, that's actually crazy.

1083
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: That was actually amazing. They literally like the people yeah,

1084
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: and the people who run the like who like are

1085
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: a big part of the company, like saw me perform

1086
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: and we're like, oh, like we're like obsessed with you,

1087
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: like do you want to be a brad Stall? And

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01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: I was like what And so they did it. And

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01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: it's funny because this is a little bit related to

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01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: what you're saying. I'm not just bringing this up out

1091
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: of nowhere. Maybe I am. I don't know, but it

1092
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: was funny because this goes this, this ties into like

1093
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: everyone's a model, like everyone's a model or whatever. Online

1094
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: the comments were like because it was there like best

1095
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: performing post or something like ever like it was like

1096
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: they're like they're like going crazy talking talking to me.

1097
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: How crazy it was. I was looking at the comments

1098
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: and at first it was like pretty normal. It was like,

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01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: oh my god, like finally some representation like so happy

1100
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, a Bradstall that finally looks

1101
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: like me. I'm so so so like proud or like stuff.

1102
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: And then I I scrolled further down and then it

1103
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,919
Speaker 1: was like and this is true that I'm not making

1104
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: this up. It was like no, flat ass, big tummy. Yes, oh,

1105
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: but it was complimentary, but they were meaning it as

1106
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: like accompliment. I kind of thought you would get to

1107
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: a point where eventually it was like offensive. No, they

1108
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: were like being excited about the representation of flat ass,

1109
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: big tummy. And then I scrolled further down and one

1110
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: said no neck queen, And that's when I knew. That's

1111
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: when I realized that representation is bad, and that if

1112
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: we were actually moving in a really really bad direction

1113
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: when it comes to representation. I mean, that is so

1114
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: funny too, just say something mean with a positive tone. Yeah,

1115
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: it was like hearts and stars and like like hard eyes,

1116
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: like like a bunch of hard eyes. But that's the

1117
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: thing the representation is. Then when you put your own

1118
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: being out there, then everyone is literally free to comment.

1119
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean that is part of that's part of representation

1120
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: is literally people making it their own. Like now people

1121
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: can react to your brat stall however they see fit,

1122
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: whereas if it didn't exist, you could just own your selfhood. Yeah,

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01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: I mean, like Julia Shifeld has a really funny joke.

1124
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: I don't I can't quote it or whatever. But it's

1125
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: just like about people should just be ashamed of their

1126
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: bodies at least like a little bit, or like bodies

1127
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: are disgusting. I truly believe that, and I would like

1128
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: to move back in that direction. I do think we

1129
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: are slowly but surely going towards shame again. Good. It's

1130
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: going to take a few more years. I think we're

1131
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: going to get there pretty quick. Actually, really how these

1132
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: mid term will go? Oh? Brother, should we do our

1133
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: final segment? I think so. Actually, I think this has

1134
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: been a perfect episode of podcasting um once again, and

1135
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm so impressed that I just want to wrap it

1136
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: up and say, looking forward to I'm already looking forward

1137
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: to Norri's third appearance, when I gonna be like covered

1138
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: in jewels. Yeah, like literally dressed like Queen Elizabeth with

1139
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: with like a lavender skirt suit and broke and a brooch.

1140
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: It'll be Noria's jubilee nose, Jubilee like Gray has been

1141
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: empowered for seventy years, like one of those like white

1142
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: faces like Queen Elizabeth, like just like a powder like

1143
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: powdered white face. You literally are going to look like

1144
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 1: Cape Blanchett and Elizabeth like a ginger wig like, yeah,

1145
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: just like, oh I love that. Literally, it's literally me

1146
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: when I sell something to Quimby, it's like suddenly, oh brother.

1147
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: Um Well, our final stements called shoutouts, and in it

1148
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 1: we pay homage to the classic straight tradition by giving

1149
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: a shout out to anything that we enjoy. Pretend it's

1150
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: to us one. You're in Times Square at TRL shouting

1151
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: out to your squad back home. And now I once

1152
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: again asked George, do you have one? Damn? I was

1153
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: really hoping you'd have one this time. Oh no, hold on,

1154
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on, we're gonna We're both

1155
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: gonna get there. Hold on. Okay, this is also our

1156
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 1: last shout out of the season, so better be fucking good.

1157
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: That's true. Damn, fuck all this pressure, I know. Okay, Damn,

1158
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: I wish I consumed anything ever. I know it is.

1159
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: Do you guys cut this out of your episode? Yeah? Yeah,

1160
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: this is all going to be cut out, gonna cut

1161
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: big time. Okay, I okay, I can well, this one sucks,

1162
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: but I think that's actually beautiful. Okay, what's up, everybody?

1163
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: I want to give a huge, loud and proud shout

1164
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: out to pools. I thought about this, and I think

1165
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: pools are the best form of law. Are I think

1166
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: oceans are too rough and simply too dangerous, not to

1167
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: mention full of animals that live there. I think lakes

1168
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: are sucking, disgusting. There's lake seaweed is one of the

1169
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: worst things on earth, and I yeah, the freshwater is nice,

1170
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: but you're probably dealing with like boat fuel if you're

1171
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: in a lake. Just being honest. Here, ponds, you're there's scum,

1172
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: hot tubs too. Hot pools, However, if you get them

1173
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: to that right temperature, you can they're they're multifaceted. You

1174
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: can work out in them, you can relax in them,

1175
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 1: you can um feel clean in them. Oh, when it's

1176
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: summer and I'm buying pool, you better believe I'm not showering.

1177
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm jumping in the pool and counting it as a shower. Yeah,

1178
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: it counts. It's got chlorine. And all water should be

1179
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 1: crystal clear, and all things should have chemicals in them.

1180
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 1: I am pro chemical and I love my life and um, alright,

1181
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: I have one What's Up Summer Girls? Based on the

1182
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: song by him. I want to give a quick shout

1183
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: out to the casting director of the movie Sideways. I

1184
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: just rewatched Sideways the other day, and there has never

1185
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: been a movie with four more perfectly cast leads. I'm

1186
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: talking Paul Giamatti and Thomas Haiden Church's friends. I'm talking

1187
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: Thomas Haiden Church is kind of an overgrown California dude.

1188
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: And then Paul Giamatti as a unsatisfied, creatively constipated writer

1189
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: who is getting over a divorce. And then that's right,

1190
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 1: I say the best for last vote women to add

1191
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: those to the mix, you get Virginia Matson that's kind

1192
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: of a perfect sophisticated uh woman loved interest who also yeah,

1193
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: has her own personality. And then, last but not least,

1194
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: Sandra oh in a scene stealing performance, one of her

1195
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:59,879
Speaker 1: best early performances. We're talking upper arm jewelry to signify

1196
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: that you're a cool girl. You do not see that anymore. Boats.

1197
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: Shout out to Sideways, and shout out to honestly, the

1198
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: early two thousand's movies that we all know and love. Okay, Nori,

1199
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 1: whenever you are ready, UM, I just want to shout

1200
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: out yachts. Oh, I love yachts. Oh used it up

1201
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: a foot on that yacht. It's like Oh, finally a

1202
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: home that's on the water. You have everything you need.

1203
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: You have a full staff, a staff that respects you,

1204
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 1: that knows that you are wealthy and that you have

1205
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: lots of money, and that feels really good. And you

1206
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: can travel on your house. So your house isn't still,

1207
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: it goes places because you're what busy. I'm busy, busy,

1208
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: busy making a lot of money. My house needs to move.

1209
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: Why um wow, Wow, that was incredible and I totally

1210
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 1: relate to that, Noria. I love being on yeah, and

1211
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 1: there's only being on your own yacht, because even when

1212
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm on my friend's yachts, it's like the staff just

1213
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: doesn't respect you in the same way. Yes, and it's

1214
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,799
Speaker 1: you just can tell. It's a subtle but real difference.

1215
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: And I love being a host. I love loving people

1216
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 1: on my yacht so that I can, like, you know,

1217
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: I have planned everything, I have activities, we have or d'urbs,

1218
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: you know, and listen, I call my staff by their

1219
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: first name. I like they're part of the family. Oh god,

1220
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: and so, and you know, I introduced them to my

1221
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: friends there. You know, we're chatting like it's it doesn't

1222
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 1: even feel like there's any kind of power dynamic. Yeah,

1223
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: I mean I used to, but then like they started

1224
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: take advantage of it. One of my staff, Yeah, they

1225
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 1: were like in the hot tub and I was like,

1226
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but that's for my family family. Like one

1227
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: time my staff was taking a lunch break and I

1228
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: was like, well, that's not that's kind of what we do.

1229
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: Like it's like we're talking about a family table. But

1230
01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: that's more of like literally chosen family man that I

1231
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: have chosen them. Like, so you have to be careful.

1232
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 1: I guess it's more of a it's more of a

1233
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 1: hiring issue. Yeah. With that being said, happy summer to

1234
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: all and happy Forgetful Girls summer. We hope everyone is

1235
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: able to bask and feeling overwhelmed basque and feeling like,

1236
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, you have one call coming in your phone

1237
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 1: while someone's shouting at you from one block away, while

1238
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: you're going into the subway and losing service, while you're

1239
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 1: missing a meeting, and while we're also meeting your boyfriend

1240
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: Jake's parents, and um, this actually is not our last

1241
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: episode because next week we have ever since Bananza, So

1242
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right, So, but that will be more

1243
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 1: of an epilogue Are you mad at us? I just sorry,

1244
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: I just You're The next week is just me and

1245
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:58,719
Speaker 1: say I'm answering listener questions, Thank God. Okay, sorry, cool, Okay, okay,

1246
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: talk about this offline. I actually have to be so bad,

1247
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: which is such a fitting end. Okay, okay, bye bye