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Speaker 1: Podcast doesn't start now. This is a quick show announcement.

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Speaker 1: As you guys know, I've been working on an hour

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Speaker 1: and I'm doing it two more times in Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: on March twenty fourth and on April first. I've done

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Speaker 1: it once already in LA and once in New York,

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Speaker 1: and both of those sold out. So I would say, please,

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Speaker 1: please please get ticks. I would love to see you there. Okay,

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Speaker 1: enjoy the episode by podcast starts now. What is up

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Speaker 1: everyone around the globe? You're listening to Stradio Lab. We're

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Speaker 1: nearing the end of Georgia's big LA month.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone will be listening to this in like April

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty eight. But I've been in LA now

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Speaker 2: for a full month. Yeah, and I'm having the time

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Speaker 2: of my life still.

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Speaker 1: Really Yeah, tell me how how are you are you

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Speaker 1: looking forward to going back to your normal life? Fir?

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Speaker 2: Just you know, I have such a New York mindset.

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Speaker 2: I've been in New York now for many years, and

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Speaker 2: I would say I generally dislike Los Angeles, and in

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Speaker 2: this trip it has changed. I've done a one eighty completely,

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Speaker 2: so much so that I'm thinking of my friends about

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Speaker 2: Coote in New York and I'm like, they're fake, Like

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Speaker 2: everyone here is real, like because you know, the stereotype

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Speaker 2: is like LA people are superficial. New York people are

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Speaker 2: real and they're all like play rights and all they

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Speaker 2: do is, you know, excavate the depths of human emotion

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Speaker 2: and gravity. Of course, not the case. The gay guys

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Speaker 2: in New York are actually completely obsessed with surface level bullshit.

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Speaker 2: And everyone in LA is actually sitting down to write

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Speaker 2: that screenplay and I'm I'm this is the hottest that

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Speaker 2: you've ever had. Something something has changed within me to

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Speaker 2: quote to quote another Los Angeles based artist, A yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean I honestly feel what you're feeling. That there's

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Speaker 1: like a maturity. There's a maturity in an adultness here.

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Speaker 3: It's you really like, by the way, I'm excited to

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Speaker 3: go back to New York long okay, but they're the

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Speaker 2: It's like, to what end? Where is it in LA?

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Speaker 2: It's like, yes, you need you need to network with

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Speaker 2: that person for your career. Like so in New York

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Speaker 2: you're doing that, You're having a bad interaction for no reason. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just because they're a little because there's martinis. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Find that like there's like a growing up that is,

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Speaker 1: like in New York, everyone's just sort of being like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm a child forever completely. I was thinking

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Speaker 1: there were friends visiting from New York this month and

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Speaker 1: And I was like, wait, it doesn't matter, Like I'm

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Speaker 1: like why, why is that the only thing that matters?

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Speaker 2: I know, Like, there's so much more to life. The

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Speaker 2: And the only thing that matters in LA is your

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Speaker 1: Which actually is more important and more substantial, which maybe

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Speaker 1: potentially brings us to our guest.

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Speaker 2: Our guest is someone who is quite frankly, a legend

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Speaker 2: of multiple industries we have we both have very personal

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Speaker 3: God, it's all bad. I was going to say, we

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Speaker 3: bought you here for a reason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, afore we're going to trap and go through to

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Speaker 1: be and we're gonna ask you to like word.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so please welcome. Jesse Tyler Ferguson.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Wait, I want to know what bar was that

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Speaker 3: you took them to. Okay, well, now you're don't feel

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Speaker 3: bad to get you you're kind of calling the bar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna feel bad.

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Speaker 3: But is it on the east side? Yeah, it's like

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Speaker 1: Do like that bar, but it's like in comparabon were right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: It's my Well, I just have like a deep history

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Speaker 2: It's a cute bar, but I also to your point,

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Speaker 1: Going there, but it's something about like when you want

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Speaker 1: But when I'm trying to show like cool people the

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Speaker 3: But like I love the East Village bars, and that's

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Speaker 3: I feel like your friends if they weren't impressed with that,

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Speaker 2: Where do they like to go? To New York splash?

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Speaker 2: What do they need?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's getting it's an animal, it's actually

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Speaker 1: It's not because it's I think it's just that I

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Speaker 1: Well, showing people around is always a nightmare because they're like,

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Speaker 3: It's like showing people a movie and then there's like

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Speaker 1: Just the visiting feeling. Does that create like anxiety of

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And you were here for a Game of Thrones.

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Speaker 1: To me, every I thought it was a weird choice

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Speaker 1: So obviously we're both modern family heads, which is we

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Speaker 2: In fact, like I'm already defensive because I'm like, that's

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Speaker 3: Plus, I mean, no one needed to see me at

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Speaker 2: Oh, and I was like, we can't have this to

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Speaker 2: so it's the rare play that is both genuinely good

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Speaker 2: to bring her to like Marina Abramovich doing like slapping

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Speaker 3: it's the place. Did you say the name play?

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Speaker 2: Or take me home? No, take me out? How you

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Speaker 3: Anyway, go ahead, but it's it is a great play

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Speaker 2: Well, it was funny to be like a twenty five

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Speaker 3: I don't think I would have done it as well,

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Speaker 3: James Burrows once coming over and like turning me toward

437
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 3: a camera because I was like acting with the person

438
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 3: doing the scene and he's like, no one can see

439
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 3: what you're doing. So I did what There was a

440
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 3: learning curve for me. Yes, yeah, no, that's tough. I

441
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 3: ha me to care about a camera.

442
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 2: Like, oh, I know, I know. Just let me feel

443
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 2: my feeling. I know, but it was, it was.

444
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 1: I was.

445
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 3: I'm very happy that I had that introduction with James Burrows.

446
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 2: Well, me and my husband went was Camra Minch for

447
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 2: Halloween this year?

448
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,400
Speaker 3: Did you really did you go as camera match?

449
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 2: I was Mitch. Yeah, I pull up a pick later.

450
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 2: This is like when I when we when we had

451
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 2: Kathy Griffin, and I pulled up a picture of me

452
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 2: like as a like eighteen year old going to her

453
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 2: book signing, and I thought she'd be so moved by it,

454
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 2: and then of course lead you alive. It's like she

455
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 2: she deals with that every second of every day, like

456
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 2: the narcissism. I have to have to be like, wow,

457
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: she's going to be so impressed. She was a little bit.

458
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 2: I guarantee she was being super nice about her but

459
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 2: I was expecting a slightly bigger reaction. But it's like,

460
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: of course, her entire life is like gay guys being

461
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: like you know what I was in college.

462
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: Being Mitch for Halloween is a tough it's a bit

463
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: subtle because I was going for grounded.

464
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: I was going for realism.

465
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Speaker 1: So you know, I just like I heard red, I

466
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 1: grew beard, and I got red dye and then I

467
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: had like a short red wig that we like cut. Yeah,

468
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 1: but it was like and then I wore like a

469
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: gray v NEX sweater with a gray button down under it.

470
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 2: Dress kind of bad. But the thing with Cam just

471
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: has the iconic the cuffs. Well yeah, and me show

472
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: you had to carry around a baby doll.

473
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't carry around a baby doll because I

474
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: was worried that people would think we were doing like

475
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: a we're having a baby announcement, got it? Oh yeah, yeah,

476
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,479
Speaker 1: so I was like dangerous water, stangerous waters, So I

477
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: didn't We didn't carry a baby around. But like if

478
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,719
Speaker 1: we had been in like a brightly lit place, of

479
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: course they would be like, oh, your hair is red.

480
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, like but because it was like, I don't know,

481
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 3: would you to like be match, like what is the

482
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 3: there's nothing other than it, much more in the performance

483
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 3: than the look. Yes, thank you, And I don't think

484
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 3: I was quite dropped into the character, you know, and

485
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 3: people could really smell that on me, but if you

486
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 3: were standing close enough to someone with crazy coffs'd be like, okay.

487
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: Well so my husband had the cuffs, well he looked great,

488
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: even like the moves.

489
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 2: It's like, well, just.

490
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 3: Like that, and I have to be like yeah, yeah, yeah,

491
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 3: a little like I don't know about that.

492
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: I'm cranky. I'm crank, that's right.

493
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: And I was like this is tough broad strokes. Yeah,

494
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: and then I was like should we have both been

495
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: cam the statement come more more obvious.

496
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 3: My son, my older son this year, wants to go

497
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: is Darth Vader, and so we planned Halloween costumes around that,

498
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 3: like we like to do a family thing, and so

499
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 3: my my three year olds were like, Okay, he'll be

500
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 3: baby Yoda because that's cute, fun, and then I'll be out.

501
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: I'll be like Skywalker. Do you tell me what I'm

502
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: going to be?

503
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 3: And so and so then back at my older son

504
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 3: was like, no, no, You're gonna be Luke and Sully's

505
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 3: also going to be Darth Vader. So we had two

506
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 3: Darth Vaders and I was Luke Skywalker. So they were

507
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 3: my two dads. Oh, they didn't know that, they didn't

508
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: get that.

509
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: But I was like this is fun. You have to

510
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 2: Darth face. I wonder if there is something happening in

511
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: their head.

512
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd like, yeah, two dads to Darth Like, I

513
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 3: guarantee you that was not happening. They've never even seen

514
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 3: the movie. I don't even know why they wanted to

515
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 3: be Darth Vadar.

516
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: That's one of the scariest things when kids just like

517
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: absorbed stuff through culture and don't know why.

518
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

519
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm always like, how did this, Like when things get

520
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: popular on kids, I'm like, that's pluribis like.

521
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he wanted me Marjorie Taylor Green. I

522
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: was like, you're not going to do it just to

523
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: be like.

524
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: Because I was like, I don't know at this point,

525
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: I have no idea what kids like. Maybe they love

526
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green.

527
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: I mean, I do you remember when we were kids

528
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: had like the masks that were like a Reagan mask

529
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: or like we're so popular that I was like, I

530
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,479
Speaker 2: don't even know what Ronald Reagan's political Ronald yeah, the Nixon.

531
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: I remember being like, I don't know what, but I

532
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: was like, but maybe that's a fun costume.

533
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: It also seemed dangerous to like politics was almost like

534
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: talking about sex like it was just something adults that

535
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 2: you didn't know about. So should we do our first segment? Yes, okay.

536
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: Our first segment is called straight Shooters. And then the

537
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: segment we're going to ask you a series of rapid

538
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: fire questions. It's basically this thing or this other thing

539
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 1: to gauge your familiarity with and complicity and straight culture.

540
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: The only rule is you can't ask any follow up

541
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: questions or we will get so set.

542
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 3: Okay, winning a tony or riding a pony, winning tony? Okay,

543
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 3: I would say that, would okay? A tax on billionaires

544
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 3: or a wax on pubic hairs? What?

545
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: Well?

546
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: I just want to make sure I understand the rules.

547
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 3: This sounds like you have to embrace the okay, okay

548
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 3: uh A tax on millionaires, billionaires.

549
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: Stupid love or smart water?

550
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: This stupid love, applying daily sunscreen or crying gaily I feel.

551
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: Seen applying sunscreen.

552
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: A cup of Joe, or catch up your slow, catch

553
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: up your slow, the testament of Anne Lee or the

554
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: roast of this Tom Brady, this roast of Tom Brady.

555
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 2: Karma is a bitch or Cam's mad at Mitch Karma

556
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: is a.

557
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: Bitch okay, sociopathic thoughts or choreographic.

558
00:26:54,040 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: Wants, sociopathic thoughts beautiful. Well, no, there's no right, there's

559
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 2: no written wrong. We basically just like to confuse people.

560
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: It's about and then it's not feeling comfortable with discomfort.

561
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: You know. That was just an exercise. Now it's sort

562
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: of like an acting much like an acting exercise, and

563
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: we all failed. This is oh wait. First, we rate

564
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: our guests on scale of zero to one thousand doves

565
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: based on the Lady Gaga song one thousand doves. This this,

566
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: I mean it was eight ninety nine.

567
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 3: Congratulations, high, that's really good. Yeah, I don't know what

568
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: your average is. Yeah, and what is like what are

569
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 3: we what are we rating me on? Just like excitement level?

570
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: Just like it's that's also a big thank you.

571
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: For asking because we really got away with not explaining anything.

572
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: You know, it's basically you're being thrown into the deep

573
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: waters in this segment and it's like we're basically yelling

574
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 2: rhymes at you. And the whole point is to see

575
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 2: how people react. Sometimes people get really upset and they

576
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: get really mad that they don't understand the and they

577
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: like keep asking questions so they're gonna get a little score.

578
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: They're gonna get a little or they'll get a high

579
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: score because of their enthusiasm and because they are you know,

580
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 2: sort of when they flatter us, when they flatter us. Yeah, yes, yes, yes.

581
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: But you did something which I found very brave, which

582
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: was you were scared and then you said you used

583
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: to come to you said that's ok.

584
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 3: Well it was the look in your eyes like, don't

585
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 3: fucking ask questions, and I was like, that's right, yeah,

586
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 3: all right, And to be respected in that way is

587
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: all we ever really need. And sometimes you don't get

588
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: that I heard today most especially in this town.

589
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: Honey, honey, honey. Well then should we get into the topic.

590
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: Let's do it, Jesse, what street topic would you like

591
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: to discuss today?

592
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 3: Well, I would love to get into bad lighting. Bad lighting,

593
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: and so I've done overhead lighting before, but this is

594
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: a much broader This is a much broader topic.

595
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, how would you define bad lighting?

596
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we're kind of looking at it.

597
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: We are being blinded by white light.

598
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are being blinded by white light. And it's

599
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: actually so brave to have a conversation.

600
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: I we moved. I don't know, like four or five

601
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: years ago and we moved into a house.

602
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: It was a new build.

603
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful home. I don't I'm gonna talk a

604
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: little bit about like some major mistakes that I made

605
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: this home. But it's all like lutron lighting, like everything's

606
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 3: everything's programmed.

607
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

608
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: And the amount it took me, I'm not even this

609
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: is not exaggeration. It took me over the course of

610
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: a year and a half to program all the lighting

611
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 3: to be in a correct like.

612
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: A hue. That's the wrong word it I had the

613
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: level of dimness.

614
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, I was astonished that this man who built

615
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: this house, it was like a tennis court inside the house.

616
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: And it took me.

617
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: It took so much time for me to you know,

618
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: install dimmers and just like I don't understand why dimmers

619
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: were just not like immediately a part of it, like

620
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: and why it was programmed at like a one.

621
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: It was. It was just.

622
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I would I would hesitate to come home

623
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 3: at night. I mean because I had to. I had

624
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: to sit in that lighting for a little while and

625
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: go around and dim things. And it was it was

626
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: really it put it. It put a heavy tax on me.

627
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine. I mean, I think one thing

628
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: that's straight about it right off the bat, of course,

629
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: is what you're asking for is a spectrum, and that

630
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: he's saying that is a binary.

631
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Speaker 1: It's yes, and you were saying no. There's so much

632
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: space in between, and that space is beautiful.

633
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: Space is so beautiful.

634
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: I've I've been known, so I remember, like I finally

635
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: got I finally got some like the dining room in

636
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: the kitchen and like the areas that we would entertain,

637
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: and I tackled those areas first, and so I kind

638
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: of got them in a place where like, if you

639
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: turn on this one switch, it's going to be like

640
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: at a lighting level that feels comfortable to me. I'm

641
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: so controlling about it. I knew that my husband was

642
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: having a dinner party when I was in New York,

643
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: and I got on to the cameras and I looked

644
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: to see, you know, I just kind of want to

645
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: see who was there.

646
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: You're like, this reflects poorly on me.

647
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: I look like I'm gonna sound like a crazy person.

648
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: After story, the lighting was off, and so I can

649
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: control that from my phone.

650
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: I have all the apps.

651
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 3: So I went on there and I was like that's

652
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: not that's not the dinner mode.

653
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: It should be like Pulter, just like.

654
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: And and also like I should I should say right now,

655
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: like my lighting comfort level is way darker than it should.

656
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: Be, but that's what it's going to in your relationship.

657
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: Is there a difference in.

658
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: Lighting, Yeah, Justin could kick it up a lot a

659
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: mixed lighting relationship. Yeah, but we definitely like, I think

660
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 3: that's really dark.

661
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

662
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: I wanted to feel like the bar we were talking about,

663
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: I'm the same way.

664
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: I want it really dark.

665
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: So I adjusted the lighting and I saw the cameras,

666
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 3: you know, like all the lights and people are looking around,

667
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: and Justin texted me, He's like, what the fuck are

668
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 3: you doing? Get stop adjusting the lighting. I was like,

669
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: it's not the right lighting for dinner. You can't eat

670
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: in that lighting. People are going to talk in this town.

671
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine everyone leaves and they go

672
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: to their various networks and say they have a long

673
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: light talented actor, but the lighting.

674
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 3: You've been to people's homes where like you walk in

675
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: like the lighting is and you're.

676
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: Like, how am I going to survive this night? Honey?

677
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: I'm turning off the lights i've been knowing I haven't

678
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: known to do this.

679
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: I will go around turn off the overheads, which I

680
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 3: know is day another topic, and I'll pull out lamps

681
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: from the rooms like I'll make it, and people they

682
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: see the lighting design that I offer at the end

683
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: of this, you know, reconstruction of their their their apartment,

684
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: and they're happy with it. They're always happy like that

685
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: is better.

686
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: Well, of course they love to you know, treat you

687
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: like you're insane at first as you're moving things all around,

688
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: and then you're always proven.

689
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: Right, everyone's happier every It's a very gay thing to

690
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: view lighting as part of the decor basically, like and

691
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: I don't mean like a beautiful lamp, I mean the

692
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: lighting itself. Like straight people can understand that a painting

693
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: is decor, that a rug is decor. Yes, but they

694
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: can still be like lighting is on or off and

695
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: there's no and there's no like, that's not it's a

696
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: different It's not an aesthetic thing.

697
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: It's a functionality thing. No, Okay, how do you feel

698
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: about funky lighting? I'm talking colors, I'm talking I drove.

699
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: By this house.

700
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: No, I really struggle with Oh, I drove by this

701
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: house of the Night is on Laurel Canyon and I

702
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: drove by and it is all purple black light inside,

703
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 3: oh god, and outside? WHOA like the lighting? The landscape lighting,

704
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 3: the light is under the stairs were purple. It looked

705
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: like some sort of a spaceship. Absolutely not. It was like,

706
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 3: this is like the modern day version of a lava lamp, like.

707
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: Vibes.

708
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: My kids have the Spaceman thing in their room and

709
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: it projects stars onto the ceiling. And I even struggle

710
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 3: with that. Yeah, I struggle with that. I've had to,

711
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 3: like a few nights, I've had to stay in my

712
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 3: kids room with them after they've had a nightmare, and

713
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, and they they need that light on.

714
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: It's like their night light. And I really have a

715
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: hard time.

716
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: When I show my eyes, It's like, I know, those

717
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: neon stars are just beyond these shut eyes.

718
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: It bothers me. Well, the thing with the purple head,

719
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: it's like we have planned everything in this room to

720
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: look a certain way under white light. That that's why

721
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 2: I bought this couch with this rug, with this table.

722
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: If you a purple hue will literally make everything a

723
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: different color. I don't know if it's still matches now

724
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: I have to say something. So we set up like

725
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: Christmas lights, you know, last month, and my husband was like, well, like,

726
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: can we keep up the colored ones in the backyard

727
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: for like a little bit longer? And I was like, we.

728
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: Are so close, Like it is a slippery slope to

729
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: becoming Fort Lauderdale Gay guys, Like we have to like

730
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: like hold onto some sense of class. Colored lights up.

731
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: He wanted to keep colored lights up, and I have

732
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: a confession they're still up.

733
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: Because by the time this episode airs, those lights better

734
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: be down.

735
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: They're gonna be down.

736
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: And it's just because I you know, of course I

737
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: want to encourage a sense of fun and whimsy, but

738
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: for for us in particular, you've got to be careful

739
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: because Fort Lauderdale Gay's incoming.

740
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: No, it's really it's tough. Yeah.

741
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 3: We one year our friend he is great with like

742
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 3: Christmas decord and stuff, and we were having a big

743
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: party and I wanted some outdoor lighting and he he's like, well,

744
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: it's actually a cheaper way to do this. We could

745
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 3: get like uplighting and then we don't have to like

746
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 3: string a lot of lightcense, Like yeah, what everything? It

747
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 3: looked like we were hosting the Golden Clubs and we

748
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: had to sit with this lighting for like a month

749
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 3: because it was like it wasn't just for the party,

750
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: like he installed it for like the whole holidays.

751
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: Whoa.

752
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: And I was like, if you ever do that to

753
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: me again, welcome to the ninety six hannual Golden Globe.

754
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: It just it felt it felt I felt so cheap.

755
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 3: That is so funny, never again.

756
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: You know, I'm realizing something quite inspiring, which is the

757
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: you know people always talk about when you have kids

758
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: and your life changes. It's nice that you can have

759
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: kids and still really obsess over the lighting.

760
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think that's the difference between being game

761
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: being straight. If you're straight and have kids, you give

762
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 3: up on the lighting. If you're gay and have kids,

763
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: somehow you get more and.

764
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: On that light.

765
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 3: I'll go into their bedrooms and like turn on the

766
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 3: lamps and turn off the overhead and like close the curtains.

767
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 3: That's literally I'm the only one that does this, So

768
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 3: my in laws don't do it, my husband doesn't do it.

769
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 3: Really no, But then it's like why you care?

770
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: People have different aesthetic fixations, like do you are you

771
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: super controlling about like what they wear like if not, yeah, see,

772
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: like there's other gay guys that would be like very

773
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: obsessed with like you can't be wearing these Like I

774
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: prefer them.

775
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: To not wear certain things. I just try and steer them.

776
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 3: But like I'm not gonna fight them on it.

777
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah no, But I think that is

778
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: actually when people like are alarmisted about gay parenting, that's

779
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 2: the number one thing is being controlling about aesthetic category.

780
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 2: Like that is what's different between having straight parents and

781
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: gay parents. It has nothing to do with like the

782
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: same sex attraction. It has to do with like growing

783
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: up and being terrified they're going to turn the light

784
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: on too.

785
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: Much that and just like these these plastic toys go

786
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: to fuck with this, Because that's equivalent of like a

787
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: straight father of being really strict about like the sun

788
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: being good at baseball or something.

789
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you better know how to set a mood.

790
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah no exactly, yeah if you're But.

791
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: Also my kids are the only ones who can get

792
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: away with it's like we need more light. We're working

793
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 3: on legos right now.

794
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: Anything. I'm like, all right, go ahead, you can do it.

795
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 2: You have like an amazingly chic like table lamp.

796
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: Did you really I got like one of those like

797
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: little portable lights that you guys like, well, what if

798
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 3: I brought this over to you at the legation.

799
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: The rest of it? I have done that.

800
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: That's so funny that you said that, because I literally

801
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: have done that. I was going to offer that as

802
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: a solution.

803
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: So dimmers, okay, I'm with you in that I like

804
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 2: everything to be dim. Yes, dimmers stress me out because

805
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: every time you have to make a decision, I wanted

806
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: to be like I want to make one decision and

807
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: it's like this is what lighting is best. If you

808
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: could have a system where you can like program all

809
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 2: that and like take the time and then joss a

810
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: button and it's like it goes there. But yeah, yeah,

811
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: and it does.

812
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: Like create issues when it's like time to go to

813
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 3: bed and it's you have to go around turning everything

814
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 3: off where it takes me like five minutes to shut

815
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: down the house.

816
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Yeah, No, we have like programmed lights, of course.

817
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: Well this is something I've noticed more and more in

818
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. In the apartment that I'm saying at a

819
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: friend's place was out of town, and she there's this

820
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: like three page document of like how to water the plants,

821
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 2: and there's a section that's like lights, and just it

822
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: literally goes we have three different apps for turning on

823
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 2: the lights.

824
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm like three, Well that's that needs some optimization. Yeah,

825
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: but no, Now that I have the lights programmed and

826
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: I'm in a place where they're not there, I'm like, wait,

827
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: I have to like turn each lamp on.

828
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: I kind of miss I got to say. I mean

829
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 2: there's a romanticis oh my god, so romantic to turning off?

830
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 3: I do miss that a little bit. I used to

831
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: have in this old Spanish house, like we had the

832
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: knob lights that you said to like, oh yes, we

833
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 3: really stat.

834
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: There's something to it. There's something to it. But I

835
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: find I'm like, my laziness knows no bounce. Like I

836
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: even find like you're talking about turning off all the

837
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: lights like in like my house is small, Like going

838
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: from like my bedroom to the front door is a

839
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: very short distance. But if I forget to lock the door,

840
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, like I'm.

841
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: Just gonna rest cat. There might be an intruder. I

842
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm just gonna risk it.

843
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, whatever, it's a hard door to see maybe

844
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: they won't see it.

845
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: Are there things that your husband is really intentional about

846
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 2: that you don't care about that are aesthetic? Like music? Volume, cooking?

847
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: Like I'm trying to think, really, it's really all me.

848
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: He does like he I mean, if we go into

849
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: a place there's no music, he's like, what the fuck

850
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: are we doing there?

851
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: Know that stuff.

852
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,959
Speaker 3: We went to a birthday party the other the other day,

853
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: and granted was outside in a neighborhood, and it was

854
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: at night, and so I'm sure there's like some noise

855
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: like regulations, but it's like that, why why are there

856
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: of music's? He's sort of the music police? But now, no,

857
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 3: I mean it's mostly me. It's mostly me. He can

858
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 3: kind of roll with anything.

859
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes that's healthier to have one partner be the

860
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: like particular one. He enjoys it when I do exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

861
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: I think do you and Matthew have Matthew's definitely the

862
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 2: more particular one. But then what but but I'm also particular.

863
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: It's just that he's so particular. Yeah yeah, And then

864
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: of course I do enjoy that everything always looks nice

865
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: and everything, you know, I live in an aesthetically nice space.

866
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 2: But then of course when I when it's my turn

867
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: to be particular, I have a chip on my shoulder

868
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: where I'm like, well, we do everything you want to do,

869
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: so and the one time I want to make like

870
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: this instead of this, like I guess you don't care,

871
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: he's like I didn't even say no to it. Yeah,

872
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: kind of yeah. Or I will project onto him, like

873
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 2: I'll be like, we need new side table, we need

874
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: new bedside tables. He hasn't said anything yet, and in

875
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: my mind, I'm like, he's probably not gonna like these

876
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: because they're not nice enough. You guys do.

877
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: I love when you guys get into bicker mode, Like

878
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: you guys can like put on a character like bickering.

879
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so like, look at this gay couple. I

880
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: know it's sort of but it is a joke. But yeah,

881
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: it's well, we're both you know, he's a he's a

882
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 3: professional restaurant critic. So it's like, imagine what being married

883
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: to a restaurant critic would be.

884
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: Like, that's what it's like, just kind of fascinated.

885
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very like are you able to go out

886
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 3: and like just like have him enjoy a meal or

887
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: is he always.

888
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 2: No?

889
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: Well, I will say the the like two times I've

890
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: been out on a dinner with you guys. Ye, Like

891
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: when he's reviewing, I even like it seeps into me

892
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: where I'm like, I'm not a food critican, and I'm like,

893
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: it's going to take points for that, like the way

894
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: like I can't not be thinking of it in that way.

895
00:42:59,160 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: Interesting.

896
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really friendly with Bill Addison, who's the La

897
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: Times food critic, and we've gotten I've justin and I

898
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: have gone out to Donne with him a few times.

899
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: And it is that thing where it's like if we

900
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: like something, we don't want to influence him either. We're like, yeah,

901
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: what do you think about this? But I'm sorry, we're

902
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 3: totally getting off.

903
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: No.

904
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: No, But like there's been such a shift in this

905
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 3: culture too, because like there was a whole point where

906
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: like you weren't supposed to know who any of these

907
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 3: people were who were critiquing restaurants. They wear wigs, yes,

908
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: and they would have fake yeah, they would wear wigs,

909
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: or they'd have fake credit cards or not fake credit cards,

910
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 3: if credit cards that work. But he does make reservations

911
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 3: under a face a fake name. Yeah, but now that's

912
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 3: sort of going away.

913
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 2: I know there was a big thing. There's a big

914
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: thing recently. Yeah, one of oh god, I'm not Pete Wells.

915
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: I can't believe. I don't remember, but one of the

916
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: big food critics a few years ago like had a

917
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: whole essay that was like, I am the mask is

918
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: coming down and I'm using my real name, and it

919
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 2: just this is a new era now. The two women

920
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: that they heard at the New York Times do like

921
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 2: literally what I was about. Yeah, Like, and they're they're

922
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: just like doing TikTok's reviewing and it's their face like

923
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: front facing camera style. Yeah, Matthew, it's called He almost

924
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: hasn't committed to one or the others, so he'll make

925
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 2: reservations under a fake name. I think at this point

926
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 2: every restaurant in New York knows that it's yeah, because

927
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: he's had this job for a number of years and

928
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 2: so they all recognize him. But there's just like they're

929
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: literally like sending free apps or whatever. Yeah, and he's

930
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: just like not addressing that it's happening. Right.

931
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: One of my uh my neighbor here actually used to

932
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: live in New York and was like like worked at

933
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: a restaurant, was like part owner or something. Yeah, And

934
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: I was like, somehow you guys came up and like

935
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, and his husband does a lot

936
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: and he was like no, I know, like we had

937
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: a photo of him in the kitchen and.

938
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: I was like, I had to memory recip He was

939
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, And I'm like, whoa, that's so weird. But

940
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: to answer your or someone asked like, do I ask anything?

941
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 2: Do I feel more like critical when I go out

942
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: to eat. It goes back and forth between like what

943
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: you're saying where I'm like, I embody. I'm like, well,

944
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: I'm the first lady of New York food, and so

945
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: I have to I have to have an opinion on this,

946
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 2: and I become like super super picky, and then I

947
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: will rebel against it and be like, oh this is bullshit.

948
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 3: I want to burger. Like yea, all of you people

949
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 3: like have forgotten how to have fun.

950
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

951
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: Speaking of restaurants, your podcast Dinners on Me is filmed

952
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: at restaurants. What is your That's right, that's correct. How

953
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: do you know that I've seen I've seen Oh my god,

954
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: I've seen I've seen clips and stuff. It's what, No,

955
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: you're just nailing that. You're doing such a good job.

956
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: I know. Well, I'm a professional. I'm a professional. What

957
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: is your favorite one you've been too? Well?

958
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I'm so I've gotten to do this. Uh

959
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 3: the episodes in New York, Los Angeles and London and

960
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: uh oh wow, I mean here in U in l A. Uh,

961
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: there's a we just went to. Well, I'm just about

962
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: to go to Max and Helen's with Ted Dance in

963
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 3: this week, which I'm very excited about that because it's

964
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: a very uh it's a very hard restaurant to get into.

965
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 3: People are waiting many, many hours to get in. So

966
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: I'm excited to go with him. Where else did I

967
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 3: just go?

968
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: Uh?

969
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: Found Oyster so good?

970
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 3: Uh?

971
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: Some of the places that I love in l A.

972
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 3: I actually haven't had my I haven't done my podcast

973
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 3: at I would love to do it at Bestia.

974
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: What is your dream guest, dream location combo?

975
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: Oh good question. I mean I would love to get

976
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 3: Michelle Obama on and I would love to take her.

977
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I'll go wherever she wants to go.

978
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: Bar Oh my god, this is one of my favorite

979
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 3: restaurants in the city. You have to get the tequila soda.

980
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: My god, I just hope that the Tamali guys outside

981
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: that's that's that's it.

982
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: Okay, that's amazing. That would really do come on. That

983
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: would be huge. I wonder what Michelle Obama would be

984
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: like in a gay bar setting. I mean, she's probably fabulous.

985
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: Nail it. I think she'd really nail it. Yeah, I mean.

986
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: Malia is like all over the well yes, sorry, all

987
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: the time. I wish Yeah, I'm seeing her out and.

988
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 3: About, well, she's a you know, we have many friends

989
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 3: who have worked with her because she's a TV writer

990
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 3: and she's like works.

991
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: Right right, right right.

992
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where I'm always like, it's

993
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: weird when like someone when you don't know what someone's

994
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: like connection to power will do to you.

995
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:57,479
Speaker 2: Like just seeing her.

996
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: Out, I'm like, whoa, this is crazy, like more so

997
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: than like seeing someone famous. Like I'm like, this is

998
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: so weird, because it's not like I'm like I love Malia,

999
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: like I don't know what her deal is, but I

1000
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: was like, that is crazy.

1001
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 3: I've become very good friends with Chelsea Clinton, and I'm

1002
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 3: just endlessly fascinated with like what her life is and

1003
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 3: because everyone knows who she is. Yeah, everyone knows who

1004
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: she is. And everyone not only that, but everyone knows

1005
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: so much about her. And it's not like she was

1006
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 3: on a sitcom that she grew up right like the

1007
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 3: kids on my show. She was just living her life.

1008
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 3: But she had to go through like puberty in front

1009
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 3: of all of us. And she's the first to say

1010
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 3: she's like, I had a there was a lot of

1011
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 3: really awkward stages that I went through on television. You know,

1012
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: she's like standing next to her father being sworn into office,

1013
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: and it's like she's going through an acne breakout. It's

1014
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: like it's just fascinating. I mean, that is such a

1015
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 3: nightmare and she's but to come out on the other side, mean,

1016
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: she's she's a remarkable person.

1017
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: It is like being on a reality show. It's it's

1018
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: like exactly like being on a reality show, except you

1019
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: have zero, like no control over the coverage. Like at

1020
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 2: any given point, a horrible photo of you can be.

1021
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: Well and just like you're implicated in like some of

1022
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: the craziest people's crazy thoughts.

1023
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: Like that's the part.

1024
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: That really freaks me out because I'm like just like

1025
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: being in like conspiracy theories just by being alive.

1026
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, like what a nightmare.

1027
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I mean, it's it's not a

1028
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 3: life I would ever wish upon myself.

1029
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and none of the kids do. No, it's not

1030
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 2: far no. No. I went to college in the same

1031
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: college as Chelsea Clinton and her the dorm she lived

1032
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 2: in freshman year still has bulletproof windows, and it's the

1033
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: only one, and you can see it's a different color

1034
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: than all of the other windows in that building, which

1035
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 2: is like such a dark.

1036
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 3: Also, that was a little bit of like a low

1037
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 3: key flex because she went to have very fancy, very smart.

1038
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: That's how I'm one of the medium successful podcasters in

1039
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 2: this Okay, well Michelle obaum at acbar.

1040
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 4: Yeah right, that.

1041
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: Would be amazing.

1042
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: There was a point where I'm like, I'm so addicted

1043
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: to going to gay bars that like, gay bars are

1044
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: sort of more my restaurant because restaurants I can, I.

1045
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 2: Can take them or leave them.

1046
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't romanticize restaurants. I don't in the same

1047
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 3: way that I do.

1048
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: I wish there was a counter for every restaurant, just

1049
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: like give me the food and let me run away,

1050
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: Like I can have fun at a restaurants.

1051
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 3: Occasionally you can find some really good food at a

1052
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 3: gay bar.

1053
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: I mean, let me rephrase that. We're trying to.

1054
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: Go with you, Like, yeah, you know Julius food is

1055
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: like that's what I was gonna Julius in the West Village. Yeah,

1056
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 3: like legitimately pretty good. I completely agree.

1057
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I it's tough eating at a gay bar

1058
00:50:55,239 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: is like except for Julius. Like the Precinct here downtown,

1059
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: I have not I've been there, but I've never eaten

1060
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: the food because I'm like, it just doesn't feel right.

1061
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel right.

1062
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 3: Order like chicken tenders here, Like the Abbey has like

1063
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 3: a pretty popular so you can order literally anything at

1064
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 3: the Abbey, but very popular brunch.

1065
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't realize this. Yeah. And then oh my god,

1066
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 2: someone was telling me a story about being a club cafe,

1067
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 2: which is one of the most tragic gay clubs in Boston,

1068
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: and just seeing a man eating chicken salad at the.

1069
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: Count Okay, Dolly, that's amazing.

1070
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 3: What is your restaurant origin story. What was the first

1071
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 3: restaurant that made you like romanticized fine dining, not even

1072
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 3: fine dining, but the experience of going to a restaurant. Yeah,

1073
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I was raised in Albuquerque, Mexico, and I

1074
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: love like New Mexican cuisine, specifically it's different than Mexican cuisine,

1075
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 3: and it's a it's it's very specific to that region.

1076
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 2: A lot of green chili.

1077
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 3: And I there was a restaurant I don't even remember

1078
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 3: the name of it, but we would eat there every

1079
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 3: Christmas Eve and it just was I don't know it was.

1080
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 3: It was just like it wasn't even the food necessary

1081
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 3: that was so amazing. It was just like the vibe

1082
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 3: of the restaurant like it was a special place. So

1083
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 3: we went to every year, and that was like the

1084
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 3: first restaurant that I remember like absolutely loving and kind

1085
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: of realizing that going out to eat is like a

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Speaker 3: special thing that is different than having this meal at

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Speaker 3: home or And then I did a play in New

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00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 3: York called Fully Committed. Do you know this play? It's

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00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 3: about a it's about a reservationist at a very high

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00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 3: end like Michelin Star restaurant, And it's a one man

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00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 3: play and the actor plays the reservationists, but then also

1092
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 3: all these people trying to call in to get tables,

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00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 3: so he plays all these different archetypes of you know,

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00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 3: society and he plays the chef and the matre d

1095
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: and it's all done for telephones, so it's this actor

1096
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 3: like basically having conversations with himself. But as research I

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00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 3: got to go to like some of the top restaurants

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00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 3: and toward the kitchens and also like the reservation rooms.

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Speaker 3: To Danielle and we went to Gramercy Tavern and we

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00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 3: went to uh.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, what are some of the other big ones in

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00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 2: New York? Uh? Oh sh sure, sure, sure, yes, yes.

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00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, would you say Macaroni Girl, macron gril

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00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: TJ Fridays two days. But I had such an incredible time,

1105
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 3: like do we also like getting to like ABC Kitchen

1106
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 3: all those places, and it was, uh, I don't know.

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00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 3: I gained even a deeper respect for crazy people that

1108
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 3: you know make those places, you know what they are.

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00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 3: I'm weirdly reading Kitchen Confidential for the first time. I

1110
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 3: was so reason and it's so good. But it just

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00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 3: is like.

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Speaker 2: It's like being in the trenches, Like how do they

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00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 2: do it? Yeah? None of them are paid well. Like

1114
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: it's just like you are just at war, yeah, and

1115
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 2: constantly getting injured and burned or someone's yelling at you.

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Speaker 3: I mean It's sort of like how I feel like

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Speaker 3: theater actors. Like, you know, we're not getting paid a

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00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 3: lot of money to do these things and we're working

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00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 3: so hard. You show up and do this thing eight

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Speaker 3: times a week and you have to do it live,

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00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 3: and like it's for the love of it, and like

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00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 3: that's how I feel like chefs are some sense, Like yeah,

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00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 3: some I mean there are obviously people who are wildly

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00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 3: successful and have made a ton of money doing it,

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00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 3: but like it really is for the love of the game,

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00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 3: and like they just have such a deep passion for it.

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00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 3: And I think when anyone comes at something with that

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00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 3: amount of passion and uh desire to like put their

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00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 3: best foot for, like I don't. I just really respect

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00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 3: that so much.

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00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 2: Well, that's like how we do horrible shows at horrible bars.

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00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, should we do our final segment?

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00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 2: I think we should. So.

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Speaker 1: Our final segment is called shout Outs, and in this

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00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: segment we pay homage to the grand straight tradition of

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00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: the radio shout out and shout out anything that we

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00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: are enjoying, people, places, things, ideas we think of them

1139
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: on the spot, which is why we are both stalling.

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Speaker 1: But we will do ours first when we think about that,

1141
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: when we think of them, let's see, let's see, let's see. Okay, okay, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: I can go go for it.

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00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: Mine's gonna be so too late, Like when this comes out,

1144
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 2: it'll be so relevant, but it doesn't. Wait, can't you imagine?

1145
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 2: Oh my god. One of them was like one of

1146
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: the actors from Heater Robbery was like, uh, he was

1147
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 2: talking about how he's not on social media anymore, not

1148
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: one of the main two, one of the other two.

1149
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, I just like realized that it

1150
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: was a mass psychosis event and I didn't want to

1151
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 2: participate in it. And I was like, good for you

1152
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: for recognizing it. Well, he's like French Canadian, right, Yeah,

1153
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 2: I sort of love him. No, when someone is French Canadian,

1154
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, you really got the best of both worlds. Yeah, truly.

1155
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 2: It's like you get to.

1156
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: Be pretentious and smart and yeah you're like grounded and normal.

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00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, must be nice. What's up, cinephiles. I want to

1158
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 2: give a shout out to the Testament of Anne Lee,

1159
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 2: which Sam and I just saw in theaters. Again, this

1160
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 2: will be four months ago by this point, but Yeah,

1161
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: I pretty much want to give a shadow a testament

1162
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 2: of Niley. And I want to say that Searchlight Pictures

1163
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 2: you are in the doghouse for not appropriately campaigning miss

1164
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 2: Amanda say Free. I love her so much. What more

1165
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 2: does she have to do for you people? Is she's great,

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00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 2: She's incredible, She's so she's so in it and so focused.

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Speaker 2: There are things in that movie I've never seen on

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00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: screen before. It is what a fun time to be

1169
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 2: celebrating Shakerism with its combination of social justice and celibacy things.

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Speaker 2: I would a lot to say more in this town.

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00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: And I just I love the dancing. I think if

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00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: if all they have to do is pay some TikTokers

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00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 2: to make the dance go viral, and then she could

1174
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: have gotten nominia for an They couldn't even do that.

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00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: What is everyone a sleep at the wheel here? Hello?

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Speaker 3: I have a c app and I love her. Yeah,

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00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 3: and I see everything she does. I think she's spectacular.

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00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,479
Speaker 3: I'm so excited that I feel she's great.

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00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 2: That she does this dance. I heard about it. Yeah,

1180
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: it's like that could Why is that not more of

1181
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: a cultural phenomena anyway, whatever Church like pictures, they dropped

1182
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 2: the ball. You dropped the ball. It was made to

1183
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: be a little meme. I literally got an ad for

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00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: the movie and it said Independent Spirit Award nomine for

1185
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 2: Best Editing. I'm saying, that is not what you should

1186
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 2: be putting on that poster, like it is crazy. Although

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00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: of course I love editors and they deserve They deserve everything,

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00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 2: and I hope they.

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Speaker 3: Get that Independent Spirit Award. But if they get a

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Speaker 3: shout out, Amanda, say for a.

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Speaker 1: Shout out, Amanda, Okay, what's up, eaters, I'm going to

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00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: give a food shout out, which is very unlike me.

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00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to the bagel

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00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: place in La Maury's Bagels. I have been going there

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00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: for the last month because I for when I first

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00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: got here, was like, of course La won't have a

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00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: good bagels, blah blah blah blah blah, and I don't

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00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: want to do the super trendy courage bagels. And then

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Speaker 1: one day I was like, enough, I need to eat

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00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: a bagel. And I went to this place and it

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00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: is completely to die for sure. It's not a New

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00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: York bagel, doesn't quite have the fluff, but they're putting

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00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: a lot of love and care into it, and it

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00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: does that thing that is so hard with the bagel,

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00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: where the stuff doesn't fall off as you're eating it,

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00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: even though it is open faced. Never in my life

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00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: if I had the stuff not fall off while I'm

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00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: eating it, and I do from Maury's bagels. And on

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Speaker 1: top of it all, as someone who has never liked locks,

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00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: never understood it, they are teaching me how to like locks.

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00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: I am now ordering locks on the bagel. I am

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00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: enjoying it, and I am developing a more mature palette.

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Speaker 1: So shout out, shout out xoxosam wow.

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Speaker 2: Very nice.

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Speaker 3: I love locks now, Jesse. You can shout out anything

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00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 3: on your mind. It can be literally, it can be

1217
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 3: just Michelle Obama I have. This is not a new artist,

1218
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 3: This is not someone that it's a fresh faced person,

1219
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 3: but it is someone who I, for some reason like

1220
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 3: rediscovered and I'm listening.

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00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: To almost every day. And that's Rufus Rainwaine. Wow.

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Speaker 3: I remember first hearing his debut album when I was

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00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 3: living in New York and I was like, I love

1224
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 3: this guy. He's great, and I followed his career and

1225
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 3: then I just like, I just stopped listening to him,

1226
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 3: and for some reason, I think he showed up on

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Speaker 3: my social media and I listen.

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00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 2: Oh, I listened to him sing.

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00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 3: That's Sarah Burrella's song from Waitress she used to be mine.

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00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 2: Oh was that because he just did that Carlisle residency

1231
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 2: And I feel like maybe that's where I was. I

1232
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 2: feel like he was having a moment because of that.

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00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: A lot of people I know in New York that

1234
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 2: I didn't think of as Rufus Waynwright super fans were

1235
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: there and like he brought out special guests, and I

1236
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 2: think maybe that was part of that night.

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Speaker 3: I just saw it on my Instagram, and first of all,

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00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 3: I love that song he left Sarah Burrells, and I

1239
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 3: was like, well, this is this is heavenly. So I

1240
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,479
Speaker 3: started listening from the beginning, Like I just started listening

1241
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 3: to his old albums again and then discovered all this

1242
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 3: new stuff that he has and I I forgot I see.

1243
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 2: I saw him at.

1244
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 3: The Hollywood Bowl when he did his Judy Garland show,

1245
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 3: and I just think he's one of those artists that

1246
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 3: is timeless, and obviously he comes from such great pedigree,

1247
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 3: but like he is, I don't know why I stopped

1248
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 3: listening to him like, I don't know why I don't

1249
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 3: listen to him more offended.

1250
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 2: He's deep in my rotation again. Wow, right, that's huge.

1251
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 2: It's a huge day for gay men and music. That's true.

1252
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 2: I guess before you was perfume.

1253
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 3: I heard I heard did for Well the podcast is

1254
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 3: Dinner's on Me, that's right, and we'll see a Maxim

1255
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 3: Helen's Helens and.

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Speaker 2: What are you going to get to you now? I

1257
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: don't know. Well, isn't it just like pancakes?

1258
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 3: It's diner food. Yeah, but it's like elevated diner food.

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01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: I don't even call it. It's it's delicious. It's very well.

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01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 3: Do the waffle, the tune of melt Ooh, I love

1261
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 3: ben ok hot chocolate.

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01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 2: I'm oh my god. Okay, we're going, We're going. Thank

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01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 2: you so much. Bye. Podcast ends now. For our visual learners,

1264
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: you can watch full video episodes on our YouTube channel.

1265
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: And subscribe to our Patreon for two extra episodes a month.

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01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,959
Speaker 2: At patreon dot com. Slash Stradio Lab.

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01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: Stradio Lab is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money

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01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: Players Network and iHeart Podcasts.

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01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 2: Created and hosted by Me, George Severs, and Sam Taggart.

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01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: Executive produced by Jenna Cagel, co produced by Becca Ramos.

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01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,919
Speaker 2: Edited by Laurence Stump, and mixed and mastered by Doug Bain.

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01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 2: Artwork by Michael Failes and Matt Grubb. Theme music by

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01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 2: Ben Kling.