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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us,

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. Well we've got three fourths

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Speaker 1: of that foursome here, but we do have an LSU

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Speaker 1: Tiger presidents here on Talking Hey Boys. On the Tuesday

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Speaker 1: after David Hellman, filling in for Brian brought us. Hello, David,

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Speaker 1: how are you? What's up? Guys? Happy to bring down

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Speaker 1: the average age of the show A bit that's going on.

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Speaker 1: That's significant. That's a knock at Brian. Not yes, not definitely,

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Speaker 1: not too definitely. Not right, that's right because we're raising

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Speaker 1: that average big time. Yeah, well I'm not. I'm right

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Speaker 1: in the media, you know, I'm right in the center.

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Speaker 1: That's that's good. There you go, all right, the Texas Aggie,

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, how are you doing? I'm doing well? How

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Speaker 1: are you for doing very well? And the troubled Missouri

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Speaker 1: Tiger Mickey Spagnola. So I need to get the confetti

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Speaker 1: off your I did wear I decide you had your hat,

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Speaker 1: my CBS super Bowl hat. I don't know when the

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Speaker 1: next time CBS has the game, but I had to

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Speaker 1: and I worked for the CBS affiliates. That required issue

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Speaker 1: when you walked around all week. No no, no, no no no, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm choosing. Normally, I don't wear CBS gear whatever, but

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Speaker 1: I kind of like the looks of this hat. Usually

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Speaker 1: you got the pebble beach hat going when you're that's

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Speaker 1: a good hat. Yeah, yeah, it's a good look. So

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Speaker 1: how was your week? It was very busy, very busy,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just just so glad to get back comb yesterday.

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Speaker 1: And I had to fight that Super Bowl airport. Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, I saw the Lions. Oh, I said it.

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Speaker 1: And I stood in the lines for over an hour

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Speaker 1: at the airport. We had a nine thirty flight and

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Speaker 1: line for over an hour, but which I will share

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Speaker 1: on the show. Also on my flight was DeMarcus Ware

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Speaker 1: and him at Smith So he conducted a postgame Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and impromptu Super Bowl postgame show at baggage Claim

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Speaker 1: and we got some interesting things to say, which I'll

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Speaker 1: pass along. Where would you all like to start? There's

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Speaker 1: been a lot going on. I'll defer to the yougular veterans. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: want to. I don't know. We talked about it all

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Speaker 1: last week. You weren't here. You didn't talk about the game? No,

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Speaker 1: I think yep, that was probably the dominant factor. Mickey's

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Speaker 1: got all these papers. You have to have something you

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Speaker 1: want to talk about today, and no, we got a

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Speaker 1: lot talk about that Super Bowl. We can talk about

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl a little bit. Of course, the news

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Speaker 1: was made of Shull was it Friday? About Kellen Moore

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Speaker 1: becoming the offensive coordinator? And then we had the tragic

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Speaker 1: about Super Bowl and your takeaway and maybe what the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys can learn from that game offensively or defensively? Okay,

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Speaker 1: Mickey has always said, offense wins championship. Here we go,

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Speaker 1: you flipping on us? Now, what's that offense wins championship?

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Speaker 1: The only team that scored a touchdown? Wood? You can

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Speaker 1: always spin it back. That's all I know. I'll wait

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Speaker 1: a second, though. Since the season ended here you've been saying, really,

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Speaker 1: change was a better defensive effort. Yeah, in one game,

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Speaker 1: the biggest game of the year. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: but overall, what got them to the game their defense? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but what faltered in the biggest game of the season.

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Speaker 1: Oh defense? They scored twenty two points. They had fifteen

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Speaker 1: don't count. Twenty two points isn't good. Yeah, thirteen isn't either.

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Speaker 1: They outscored the Patriots total outlier complete outlier years. They

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Speaker 1: The lowest scoring Super Bowl ever. Yeah, I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: brought this. I don't know why that's just said. It's

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Speaker 1: from the Rams gas from the MS game. Where's where's

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Speaker 1: And the Super Bowl before that? I'm talking about. They

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Speaker 1: It's it was a weird postseason, to be perfectly honest

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Speaker 1: But we all know that scoring drops in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: That's not new. That's not my point. But you still

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Speaker 1: many did they score? Okay, the lowest scoring super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: I don't care what it was of all time. Here's

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Speaker 1: you get Bill Bill Belichick two weeks to for somebody

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. I've, for my money, y'all have seen a

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Speaker 1: lot more coaches than I have, but he's I think

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Speaker 1: NFL stacks things up against you know, it's built for parody.

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Speaker 1: It's built for parody. You know, in an eighteen year

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Speaker 1: maybe merely on that. Maybe we need research the Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady tree, meaning white quarterbacks that have played underneath them,

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Speaker 1: Who who from the Patriots have won another title? Maybe

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Speaker 1: a case now with his post postseason numbers, Jerry Rice,

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Speaker 1: come Mike Dick is not on the list? That's so?

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Speaker 1: you hear? Yes? The Star? How was that? It was

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Speaker 1: pretty good? Get blood on you? The undercards were much

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Speaker 1: so anyway, Yeah, the undercards were good. Um. One other

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Speaker 1: you have wanted the Cowboys the draft of him, want

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Speaker 1: you further back and Rob Phillips as a he's he

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Speaker 1: and he's my guy. So why is he your guy? Oh?

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Speaker 1: We're both Plano basketball alums. We played for the same coach.

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Speaker 1: I hate myself, you know what, I'll pat myself on

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Speaker 1: the back here. Ten years ago, they had the built

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Speaker 1: reminds me of Wes Welker. He is going to be

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Speaker 1: a New England Patriot someday. And here he is. You

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Speaker 1: You know, he was taller than I thought he was.

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Speaker 1: He's you know, he's bigger than Wes Welker. Yeah. Obviously

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Speaker 1: he's not like a slot receiver, but he runs routes

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Speaker 1: like a slot receip And that's one of the things

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Speaker 1: I loved about him. When you had him standing there

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Speaker 1: wife girlfriend wife, and he kind of towered over. And

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Speaker 1: his dad's not small. Yeah, I was his dad and

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Speaker 1: his dad he's worked security at at and T Stadium

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Speaker 1: and seeing him out here at the Star you know,

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Speaker 1: Rick burkehead great guy. He's the one that gave the

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Speaker 1: lecture here on security. Yeah, there you go, all right, Bill,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're the captain of the bandwagon, which

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Speaker 1: you got some competition, because I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: people in North Texas who love that guy is a No,

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Speaker 1: he's not a free agent. He was a free agent

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Speaker 1: this passed offseason. Right, He's re upped with New England,

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Speaker 1: right right. I think he signed three year deal. Did

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Speaker 1: his skill set would fit nicely what the Cowboys are

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Speaker 1: looking for behind Zeke. As a matter of fact, that

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Speaker 1: when I talked to his dad about him, he had

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Speaker 1: just resigned I think before he came out here, and

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Speaker 1: sense going in chasing money. That this was a good

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Speaker 1: situation for him. And that is yet another thing that

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Speaker 1: works in the Patriots advantage. That's what Julian Edelman did

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Speaker 1: the same thing years ago when in twenty fourteen when

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Speaker 1: he re upped for the first time, he was like,

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Speaker 1: why am I going to leave this amazing quarterback who's

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Speaker 1: gonna get me the ball? Like, yeah, I'll take a discount.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's fine. And you know, and he's not a

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Speaker 1: lead back, he's not, but he's a core special teams guy.

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Speaker 1: He does everything for you, and he's a you know,

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Speaker 1: a third back to Zeke here in Dallas. He would

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Speaker 1: be great. I told Jason Garrett leading into that offseason

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Speaker 1: when he came out the draft, I say, I got

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Speaker 1: one name for your Rex Burkhead and uh, he remembers that.

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Speaker 1: I asked him later about it. Whatever, And um, of

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Speaker 1: course that year he went in the sixth round to Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: He's a sixth round pick. I thought he was like

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Speaker 1: a third round No, I had him as his third

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Speaker 1: you after that? Yeah? Uh. At the Cowboys that year

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Speaker 1: in the fifth round, selected Joseph Randall m oh Man,

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Speaker 1: A great a great name from Cowboys past. All right. Oh,

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633
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Speaker 1: poised for a running year. I feel like they're getting

634
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: a lot of their core. They're going to get a

635
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: lot of their core guys back. There's absolutely no way

636
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: d law is going to walk. I also feel like

637
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: they're going to hold on to either Joe Thomas or

638
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: Mark schlittlerd or both. UM. I can totally see shan

639
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: Lee coming back on a discounted contract. UM. And I

640
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: feel that keeping the core of the team together is

641
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: going to do nothing but continue to build chemistry with

642
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: that continuity going into next year. Something that was kind

643
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: of learning listens that it clicked halfway through and then

644
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: the seventh thing. UM, I like Cole Beasley. He's got

645
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: a good skill set and he's a good receiver for DAK.

646
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: But correct me if I'm wrong and didn't know, then

647
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: put up good numbers and Jacksonsville out of the slot

648
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to take Gallop or Cooper away from

649
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: the field at all with Dak. Put Hearns in the slot,

650
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: let him put up the numbers that he did in Jacksonville.

651
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: I feel like Blake Dak Prescott's better quarterback than Blake Portals. Yeah,

652
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: all right, Or for the call, I think, well you're

653
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: for starters. You're right. Alan Hearns did do a lot

654
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: of his work in Jacksonville from the slot. He is

655
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: a guy that can do that one. I don't know

656
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: if he's the ideal skill set for what Dak Prescott's

657
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: looking for. What part of what makes Beasley so valuable

658
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: is his ability to separate with his quickness get open quickly.

659
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns doesn't have that type of quickness. Also, obviously,

660
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: the guy's coming back from a devastating injury. You know,

661
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: I know they're optimistic he'll be ready by like August

662
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: or so, but you know, I wouldn't bank on that.

663
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: I certainly, whether it's Cole Beasley, whether it's somebody else,

664
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: I think that's a position you need to address. But

665
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: to the larger point, so all right, again, I haven't

666
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: been here as long as any of y'all, but this

667
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: is this will be This will be my seventh season

668
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: coming up, like I just finished my sixth, and this

669
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: is as few question marks as this team has had.

670
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: This is as good a reason as I've seen to

671
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: be optimistic about this team heading into a year. Like

672
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: your losses are you know, coming off sixteen, you lose

673
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: your whole secondary, coming off fourteen, you lose some key

674
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: pieces of your offensive line as well as you're all

675
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: pro running back. You're not dealing with anything like that

676
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: this year, So I think there is a lot of

677
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: reason for optimism. However, this team has showed a consistent

678
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: lack of ability to build on playoff seasons. So I

679
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: got to see it to believe it. But there is

680
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: a lot of reason for optimism. I think, well, yeah,

681
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: but why did they not consistently bill on a playoff season.

682
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of reasons for that. I've

683
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: won big one in twenty fifteen, Well which one, Well, Romo, yeah,

684
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: I get that, And they didn't have a good backup. Yeah,

685
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: and then what happened in twenty seventeen, Zeke, Yeah, what happened?

686
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: But they had winning record in twenty seventeen twenty sixteen

687
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: with twenty fifteen was just a wasted season, I think,

688
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: and I think whoever decided that Matt Castle should be

689
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback should hold responsible for that season. Yeah,

690
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: I don't think they were going to make the playoffs

691
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: with Brandon we'don either, but um, I don't think it

692
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: would have been four and maybe not maybe not. Twenty

693
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: ten wasn't so great, wasn't great at all. How come

694
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: coach got fired the next year because they didn't play

695
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: well because they couldn't run the ball, and that that's

696
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: what old. Well, fine, but the offensive line got old

697
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: about two eight. But that was twenty ten was Romo

698
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: missed three games and they missed the playoffs by one

699
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: because Brad Johnson was a terrible backup quarterback. Twenty ten

700
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: was similar to what the callers is saying, though, it's like,

701
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: you bring everybody back and you should. You can't count

702
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: on that now, can't you? Absolutely well, they didn't. They

703
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: didn't add anything. Well that's and that's but that's what

704
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: he's saying is how confident are we that they're going

705
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: to add anything this year? What are they gonna add?

706
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: They don't have a first round picked, they're not going

707
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: to be major players in free agency. We assume even

708
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: though they have cap space, they're going to devote it

709
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: to the resigning a lot of their old own guys.

710
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: They got enough cap space to do what they want

711
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: to do if they want to do it. If they

712
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: want to do they got enough money to resign Beasley.

713
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: Don't you think I'm saying I think they probably do.

714
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: Whether or not they should as another conversation, well that's

715
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: the conversation they've got to have, because how much do

716
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: you want to pay a thirty year old slot receiver?

717
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: Not a lot? And will somebody else pay them more?

718
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: I think the difference, though, to your point about twenty ten,

719
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: is that this is a very young defense and you

720
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: think that a lot of these young guys can get better,

721
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: take another step from last year, and look if Travis

722
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: Frederick can get back and play center for you, that's

723
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: a huge quote unquote offseason edition that you didn't have

724
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: this entire season to help your offensive line on the

725
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: other side of the ball. Do you guys think I'm crazy?

726
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: And again I haven't been here as any as long

727
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: as any of y' all, but I also I think

728
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: there is an element. This is the Dallas Cowboys. This

729
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: is the biggest franchise in sports. This is a team

730
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: that famously hasn't been to the NFC title game since nineteen,

731
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, January of ninety six. When this team tastes success,

732
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: I think it kind of gets in their way a

733
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: little bit. Every season that I've been a part of,

734
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: after a playoff trip, there has been some sort of

735
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: crazy distraction, whether it's the deaz holdout, whether it's Zekei

736
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: Lelliot's off field problems, whether it's you know, I wasn't

737
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: I wasn't here. But I remember, even as a college kid,

738
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: watching the circus that surrounded that twenty eight team like

739
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: it was they were the most exhausting team in the NFL.

740
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: And I wonder, you know, that's not necessarily the reason

741
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: why they don't accomplish their goals. But I think it's

742
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: I think it's an element. I think the same guys, no, no,

743
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: no, no no, But but it's the same team. And when

744
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: you're talking about a team that's this popular peep and

745
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: and that's that's us, that's the local media, that's the

746
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: national media, everybody wants a part of a good Cowboys team.

747
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: And I think it I think it contributes to that.

748
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: Twenty seventeen was so insane in terms of how much

749
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: we talked about everything but football, you know what I mean.

750
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: But this feels different, and this is February, it's not August, right,

751
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: it feels different right now. You're right, because you're right,

752
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: because they're they got a tough schedule on paper coming up.

753
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: They've got a young team like the Rams that everybody

754
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: thinks is still the next big thing in the NFC.

755
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: The Saints are still going to be good, and there's

756
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: questions about the future of this team with Jason Garrett

757
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: if he's not extended, his contracts not extended. I don't

758
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: think I don't think anybody's gonna look at the Cowboys

759
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: and say, two thousand and eight they were a shoe

760
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: in everybody thought to make the Super Bowl, right. I

761
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna have those types of expectations from

762
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: the outside. No, I don't think so. But we'll see

763
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: what we what we did our under we're doing our

764
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: under review series right now where we kind of look

765
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: back at the season and try to spin it forward.

766
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: And I think Friday's was like the biggest offseason priority.

767
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: I said, you know, obviously you want him to resign

768
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: to Marcus Lawrence. I think it's important that they do

769
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: it without a lot of fuss. Again, they got Daz resigned,

770
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: but after how many months of headaches? Ye, you know

771
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: what I mean? And maybe four months? Yeah, from from

772
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: March until July. And you know, he showed up at

773
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: the draft. He like came out and watched practice. He's

774
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,479
Speaker 1: tweeting about how he'll never play for the Cowboys again

775
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: if he doesn't get his deal. Let's not do that

776
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: with Tank like and and that. You know, I get

777
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: it that there's going to be some negotiating, but like,

778
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: let's not get to training camp without getting this guy

779
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: under I just, you know, again, try to minimize the

780
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: headaches because there's going to be scrutiny on this team

781
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: because they're the Dallas Cowboys and they're coming off at

782
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: ten win seasons. So try to reduce that a little bit.

783
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: And I think it could pay dividends. Well, maybe it

784
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: helps that they're only tied for the eighth best odds

785
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl? Is that right there? You go,

786
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: there's sixteen to one. You have to make a decision

787
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: here in the next month on the Marcus Lawn you know,

788
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: as far as March March fifth, I think, I mean,

789
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: I consider that a done, like they will do that,

790
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: but he'll he'll get the tag if they haven't finished, right,

791
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: And I don't expect to be a deal to be

792
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: done by then. I do expect them to have to

793
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: use the tag as a placeholder. But hopefully once they

794
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: do that, this isn't a negotiation that stretches into the summer.

795
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: I mean, and then the deadline in this July fifteenth

796
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: or so on, sometime in mid Jill July, whether we

797
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: get into labon bell situation, let exactly. And that's that

798
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: you don't you know. And and he's a team leader.

799
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: He's a good player. He's kind of been the you know,

800
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: the spark plug of your defense, not just because of

801
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: his play, but because of the attitude that he brings.

802
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: And you want him there to influence your team at

803
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: training camp. You want him here in the offseason setting

804
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: an example. And you don't want people like me writing

805
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: stories about why he hasn't signed yet, so just get

806
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: it out of the way. You don't want guys that

807
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: aren't real bright, that are short sighted, sitting there going, oh,

808
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: this guy did all this and they're still not signing him,

809
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: why should I give? You know, instead of thinking about themselves,

810
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: they're thinking, oh, they don't they won't want me either.

811
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: Storylines are going to crop up about this team like

812
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: that's what happens. But you can you're in control of

813
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: that one. The other thing too, God bless him. Does

814
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: think he had some injuries that following season in twenty fifteen,

815
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: and I think he probably could have benefited from a

816
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: full offseason around the team, and you know, he had

817
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: to do what was best for him to try to

818
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: get that deal done. He went into that season totally.

819
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: He got hurt right away, right first game. I think

820
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: he broke his foot catching the back of the ends.

821
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: All right, So there was reasons twenty fifteen, you know,

822
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: went backwards. I mean, it's easy to look at it

823
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, this happened, but it got to look

824
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: inside and see why. You're right. But but and that's

825
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: why I kind of put the Paths in a different

826
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: category because they they had Josh Gordon as kind of

827
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: their top receiver and he's gone mid season and it's

828
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: like they don't have a romo set it on the broadcast,

829
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: they don't have a real threat on the outside. In

830
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: this game, maybe Rams kind of shrink that middle of

831
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: the field. They still found a way to get it done.

832
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: Who were there outside receivers? They who did they have

833
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: on the field? On their only touchdown drive of the game,

834
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: they ran the same personnel three straight plays? And what

835
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: was that personnel? Was about a fullback? It was a

836
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: twenty two personnel. They had field. They had James Devlin,

837
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: Rex Burkhead and they had them an empty backfield. They

838
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: had both of them flanked out wide, and they had

839
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: Edelman in the slot, and they had two tight ends.

840
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: They had Gronk and Dwayne Allen. They're gonna they're gonna

841
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: see fancy. They're gonna set up a blueprint for the

842
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: whole league to try to copycat and then flip it

843
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,640
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Speaker 1: Cowboys for this week. No one's surprised by the news

913
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: that became official on Friday that Kellen Moore is the

914
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. Of course, John Kitna is the quarterbacks coach.

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00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: It was funny on third I guess it was Thursday

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00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: that came out. I don't remember what day. It was Thursday,

917
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,880
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Speaker 1: a football whatever it was six of us five reporters

921
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: in Dak. Dak finished in fourth place. Oh boy, what

922
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Speaker 1: it was. You know, you put the mask on or

923
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Speaker 1: whatever and then you're seeing a football game. It's really hard.

924
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: Don't tell Twitter that, and I don't know, as Dak said,

925
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: he'll actually take it seriously. Yeah, like they did with

926
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Speaker 1: the David Carr. Yes, you're exactly. Of course, that wasn't

927
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: virtual reality. But I finished last place. I'm proud to

928
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 1: say so that beat me. But we interviewed Dak there

929
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: and you know, he was singing the praises of Kellen

930
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: Moore and I called him an offensive a young offensive coach.

931
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: Quarterback coach. Genius was the word he use. That's right, phenom.

932
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: And then the press release came out two hours later

933
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: and I saw him what I saw him on the

934
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: red carpet Saturday, and I said, okay, so tell me

935
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Speaker 1: you knew that was about to be announced. And he

936
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Speaker 1: winked and said, ah, I might have known a little

937
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: something about that that it was. Maybe they might have

938
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: talked to him a little bit about it well. And

939
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Speaker 1: I asked him at the time how much he had

940
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Speaker 1: talked with Jason and Jerry and Stephen everybody, and he said,

941
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: they talked a little bit about it. So there was

942
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: input from the quarterback. And as Dak said, he he

943
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: was big time touting Kellen Moore to be the quarterbacks

944
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: coach a year ago. He was he went to him

945
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: and said, this guy needs to be the quarterbacks coach.

946
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Speaker 1: So here we go. Got his wish, Yeah, all right,

947
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: so he's What it has not been announced is who's

948
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Speaker 1: calling the place, right, And I hadn't expect that to

949
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: be announced until we get way on deep down the road.

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00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: It's not announced, but it's it's heavily it's heavily implied

951
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: that it'll be Kellen. I think Jason, Jason Garrett. Super

952
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Speaker 1: Bowl week is exhausting because like everybody's there and everybody

953
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: winds up talking to the media in some form or fashion. Um.

954
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: I think Garrett was on his way into NFL Honors

955
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Speaker 1: and somebody asked him and he said, you know, yeah,

956
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: we kind of expect that Kellen will will have a

957
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: hand in that, but we'll see, like tip, you know,

958
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: a typical coach answer, but might have been on the

959
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Speaker 1: red carpet walking in. Yeah, yeah, and uh so I

960
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: think it's heavily implied that that'll be one of Kellen's

961
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 1: responsive My understanding is if things don't change, that they're

962
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: gonna rely on him to call the plays. Now, Jason

963
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: will have input, right, he got the headset on. He

964
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: had input with Lenahan ye, and I think that might

965
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966
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Speaker 1: the two because I'm not sure they were always in

967
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Speaker 1: agreement on what should have been called. So but I'll

968
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Speaker 1: guarantee you Jason has a hand in coming up with

969
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Speaker 1: the game plan and kind of scripting things out well.

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00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: And Jerry talking with him about Kellen on Saturday, he

971
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Speaker 1: said that he's you know he didn't have obviously he

972
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Speaker 1: didn't have the experience and everything. But we've told I

973
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Speaker 1: told him that it's his creativity and what he we

974
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Speaker 1: We love that youthful creativity that he brings to the table.

975
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: I think Jerry, Jerry almost announced it the night before.

976
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: He tried his best and tried and he hinted that,

977
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, Kellen may have I think he said, quote

978
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: the ultimate responsibility. That may be the way it winds up.

979
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: But he also talked about a collaberative effort wanting input

980
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: from these young coaches on staff. Mark Colombo, don't forget

981
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 1: Doug nust Meyer's called plays before at a high level.

982
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: So I mean Kellen, if he is the play caller,

983
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: he's going to have a lot of guys to lean on,

984
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: including Jason Garrett, who by the way called the plays

985
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Speaker 1: here for a lot of years before he handed over

986
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Speaker 1: Scott and Bill Callahan before that said he wanted him

987
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Speaker 1: lay it in front of the train. That's right. Sounded

988
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: like that reminded me of Brian honestly when he said that,

989
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: like that's saying in Brian loves to use that dramatic

990
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: like terminology. Stand on the table, fighting for our lives.

991
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: That was a broadman as a very broadicism, all right.

992
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: And then the shocking and obviously sad and tragic news

993
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: came down on Friday that former Cowboys quarterback and quarterbacks

994
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 1: coach Wade Wilson passed away on his sixtieth birthday on Friday,

995
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: And Copell Mickey, I know you were around Wade for

996
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Speaker 1: a long time, and you know, myself, I did not

997
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: know him well. He always had nice things to say, um,

998
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: and he I wasn't around him even much when he

999
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: was with the team. He was here ninety seven and

1000
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: in two thousand and oh two as a quarterbacks coach,

1001
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Speaker 1: and then came back when Garrett because when came the

1002
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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator in oh seven, and he all, I didn't

1003
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Speaker 1: even know he knew who I was, you know, And

1004
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1005
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Speaker 1: things about what I had seen on TV or something,

1006
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Speaker 1: and just a great guy. Well, yeah, one of the

1007
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Speaker 1: nicest people I think I've met in the National Football League.

1008
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Speaker 1: He was a great sounding board because when you went

1009
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Speaker 1: and asked him something, he didn't he didn't seek the spotlight,

1010
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1011
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Speaker 1: he delivered. He gave you some insight you couldn't do.

1012
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Speaker 1: And part of what I wrote in my column last

1013
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1014
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,880
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1015
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Speaker 1: the locker room, and if you wanted to kind of

1016
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Speaker 1: get some insight to what happened, I'd slide over to

1017
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 1: his locker and talk to him about it, and I'd

1018
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: find out what Troy probably wouldn't say, and he was

1019
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: always spot on. And I saw somebody nationally tweet out

1020
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Speaker 1: that and they, I don't know how well they knew Wade,

1021
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Speaker 1: they'd never covered the team, but said he was the

1022
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1023
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Speaker 1: just stole my sentiments, because that's what I would say

1024
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Speaker 1: about him eighteen year NFL career, and that's amazing. Talking

1025
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Speaker 1: with Jason Garrett on Saturday, you know, Wade had battled

1026
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Speaker 1: the diabetes, had first diagnosed with it in his twenties

1027
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: when he was an NFL player, and to play eighteen

1028
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Speaker 1: years in the NFL and then obviously been an assistant

1029
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: coach since then. He was Troy's back up and on

1030
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Speaker 1: the last Cowboys Super Bowl team in ninety five. He

1031
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Speaker 1: also was Troy's quarterbacks coach his last year in the

1032
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Speaker 1: league in two thousand and also continued to No. One

1033
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: oh two when Parcels came he went on to Chicago.

1034
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: Wade Wilson did. He came back in OH seven and

1035
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: so he was also Tony Romo's quarterbacks coach from O

1036
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: seven through the end of Romo's career in OH six,

1037
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: and he was Dak Prescott's quarterback coach coming in the

1038
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: league and talking with Dak on Saturday, Dak was was

1039
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: just overflowing with praise for Wade and as Dak said,

1040
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: I would not be a Dallas Cowboy if not for

1041
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: Wade Wilson. Wade Wilson is the guy that the way

1042
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: he understood it stood on the table for Dak. Yep.

1043
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: He was also the quarterbacks coach in Chicago for Rex Grossman,

1044
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: who had his finest year the last year that Wade

1045
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: was a quarterback coach when the Bears went to the

1046
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and then he faded away. He was also

1047
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Speaker 1: the poor guy that had to teach Quincy Carter take

1048
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: a snap under center. Deal with four starting quarterbacks that year,

1049
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: including Ryan Leaf, who I was shocked to see that.

1050
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: He actually tweeted out and thank Wade for what he

1051
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Speaker 1: did for him. That was a lost soul and Wade,

1052
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, gave him equal attention, tried his hardest, and

1053
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: I think whatever he said he said a mentor, a coach,

1054
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: and a father for me from Ryan Leaf. And I

1055
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: didn't think he had any emotion any him whatsoever. Just

1056
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: so well liked and respected by anybody that ever worked

1057
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: with him or encountered him. I mean that's that was

1058
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: everybody's opinion of him, and um, that's I didn't. I

1059
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: didn't know him well. Yeah, But to Mickey's point, like

1060
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: he he was just like a straight shooter. You know,

1061
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: there's coach speak is a is a thing for a reason,

1062
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: and he wasn't like that. Like he would he would

1063
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: talk to you straight. Like I remember half the time

1064
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: he did an interview, he would say something and everybody

1065
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: would kind look around like he did he just say that,

1066
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 1: just say yeah, and then you know and you're like, oh, great,

1067
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: I have a story, thanks Wade. Yeah, because you didn't

1068
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: expect it from him, No, not at all. And it

1069
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: was almost like you felt like she kind of talking

1070
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: out of school here. Yeah, he would he would lay

1071
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: it on the line and he sorry, I was going

1072
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: to say, and just for a guy that you know,

1073
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: was born in Greenville and raised in Commerce and stayed

1074
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: and played a star quarterback East Texas State, Texas A

1075
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: and M Commerce. Yeah, I think all fourteen years he

1076
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 1: worked here, I think he wore the same shirt every day.

1077
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: Like That's another thing that'll always stand out to me

1078
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: is like his Dallas Cowboys like navy blue T shirt,

1079
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: but it had clearly been washed so many times that

1080
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: like it didn't have any color like like it was.

1081
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: It wasn't really navy anymore. It wasn't gray. I don't

1082
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: know what color it was. It just looked like it

1083
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: had been washed about nine million times. Very routine oriented. Yeah,

1084
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: he put it in his loop at the end of

1085
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: the day exactly in the morning, and he was Everyone

1086
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: regard him is a really great offensive mind. But you know,

1087
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: from what I understood about it, he just liked working

1088
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks. He liked being in that role. You know,

1089
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: I think he probably could have been he could have

1090
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: been an OC year head coach somewhere. But when you

1091
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: think about what he did, Bill mentioned it working with Dak,

1092
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: helping that transition that rookie year and really he was

1093
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: Romo's guy the meat of his entire career as a

1094
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, a starter. You know, that's a pretty big

1095
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: job to handle, Mick. Do you know why they called

1096
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: him Sticks? I think because he was always very tall

1097
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: and skinny, and so they got he got the nickname

1098
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: Sticks and noticed, you know, Jason Witten waited out and yeah,

1099
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: that was kind of his monarch. So it made me

1100
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: look at what, you know, what had had on his bio.

1101
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: And it was like sixty three. He seemed taller than

1102
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: sixty three to me, and he was two ten, so yeah,

1103
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, but he was kind of the same size

1104
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: the entire time, you know, and he just played Minnesota, Atlanta,

1105
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: the Saints, the Cowboys, Oakland. I think I remembered all

1106
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: of them. I mean, he's been around and you know,

1107
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: been with so many different teams. Just thinking the Pro

1108
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: Bowl in eighty eight with the Vikings got him into

1109
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: the into the playoffs and actually had a good year.

1110
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: I think he spent two years with the Saints maybe,

1111
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: and he had one good year there. He took over

1112
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: believe it or not for Bobby abear Um. But yeah,

1113
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: he most. He's been around this league for thirty six years,

1114
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: almost forty years, and I think if you add it up,

1115
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: probably half of it with this organization. Yeah, yeah, that's

1116
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: tough loss, tough to hear, all right, And that will

1117
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: do it. I'm looking to see, by the way, services

1118
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: for Wade Wilson at Park City's Baptist Church Saturday on

1119
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: Saturday at four o'clock. And that does it for Talking

1120
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: Cowboys for this week, and we will talk at you

1121
01:00:55,560 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: again next week in the bott