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Speaker 1: an I'm Ryan Grahama's family, Jishinsky. We've got a lot

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Speaker 1: to get into, that's right. We got war in Ukraine expanding,

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Speaker 1: but first in Georgia. The end of the midterms is coming,

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Speaker 1: and potentially maybe I'm curious for your take on this,

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Speaker 1: the end of an era. Let's let's put up a

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Speaker 1: one here. Raphael Warnock is heading into today with a

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Speaker 1: you know, a small but significant polling lead, but also

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Speaker 1: more importantly, with more than a million votes banks so

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Speaker 1: far in Georgia a significant lead among those votes. We

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Speaker 1: don't know how those people voted, but we know what

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Speaker 1: party they're in and we can We'll talk about this later.

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Speaker 1: Fifty two percent of the votes in so far Democrats,

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Speaker 1: thirty nine percent are Republicans, the rest Independence that we

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Speaker 1: If you go to post from Friday, Warnock plus four,

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Speaker 1: herschel Walker in the lead on rcpu's aggregation right. As

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Speaker 1: a result, Larry Sabado's Crystal Ball moved it over to

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Speaker 1: lean Democrat. Now, polls are often wrong, but what you

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Speaker 1: being rally sizes all the intangibles and you're not you

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Speaker 1: know this, this is something conservatives have been frustrated with

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Speaker 1: Walker about. Right. He kind of took off like there's

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Speaker 1: So Herschel Walker was a Trump sort of suggested candidate

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Speaker 1: does is that a signal about Trump's kind of drag

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Speaker 1: brazen attack into Russian territory in the nine month old

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Speaker 1: war on Monday, targeting two military bases hundreds of miles

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Speaker 1: inside the country. You unman drones. According to the Russian

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Speaker 1: defense industry and to a senior Ukrainian official, they got

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Speaker 1: within one hundred miles of Moscow with one of those, right,

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Speaker 1: and this is huge news. I think the New York

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Speaker 1: Times is correct to say it's the most brazen attack

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Speaker 1: into Russian territory. What did you make of the development yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Just monster escalation, it seems like for so what Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: What Ukraine did here is attacked the airfields from which

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Speaker 1: Russia has been launching a lot of its attacks. You

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Speaker 1: know what I would say are kind of illegal war

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Speaker 1: crime attacks on the kind of infrastructure, the civilian infrastructure

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Speaker 1: of Ukraine heading into the winter, trying to plunge the

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Speaker 1: country into cold and darkness throughout this the long Ukrainian winter.

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Speaker 1: And so they sent to drones to these two air bases,

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Speaker 1: one of them Angles Airfield, I guess after Frederick Engels,

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Speaker 1: the Soviet era name. It's near a as the town

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Speaker 1: of Angles. They didn't rename that, although there's you know,

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Speaker 1: there's still still love for Angles over there. It's a

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Speaker 1: it's a base in the south of Russia, right and so.

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Speaker 1: And one of them was what one hundred miles away

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Speaker 1: from Moscow. Russia claims that they were able to shoot

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Speaker 1: down that drone, but that as it crashed, it ended

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Speaker 1: up killing a couple of servicemen and hitting like I

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Speaker 1: think one aircraft, yeah, two planes. It had slightly damaged

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Speaker 1: two planes. The fall of the Soviet era jet drones less.

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Speaker 1: The New York Times is reporting that Russia said were

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Speaker 1: shot down slightly damaged two planes and according to Russia,

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Speaker 1: killed three servicemen and wounded for others. And again we're

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Speaker 1: talking three hundred miles from the Ukrainian border. One of

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Speaker 1: these is one hundred miles from Moscow. You can see

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Speaker 1: there in the New York Times headline it says deep

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Speaker 1: into Russia, Deep in Russia, And I think that's absolutely correct. Ryan.

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Speaker 1: The Putin video happening, I mean that visit happened earlier

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Speaker 1: on month day. What do you make of both of

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Speaker 1: these things happening on the same day. I thought Putin

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Speaker 1: would use a horse, ride a horse across the bridge,

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Speaker 1: Isn't that Isn't that kind of his thing? No, I mean,

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Speaker 1: so that's his that's his flex to try to like

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Speaker 1: to try to assure the Russian public that that this

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Speaker 1: is not going backwards for him. You know, he's he's

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Speaker 1: also there was there were reports in the Post at

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Speaker 1: the Times that he's, you know, that Putin is is

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Speaker 1: building up bases in mary Apaul, trying to, you know,

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Speaker 1: trying to strength strengthen his his hold on key parts

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Speaker 1: of Ukraine that they that they're currently occupying, even as

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Speaker 1: they even as they see even as they lose ground

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Speaker 1: elsewhere around the country. This comes at the now. I

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Speaker 1: think it's I think it's useful for de escalation that

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Speaker 1: Ukraine did not use kind of American weapons. If Ukraine

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Speaker 1: had used I was thinking that American drones or American weapons,

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Speaker 1: you'd have h you'd have Russia calling an a and

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Speaker 1: an attack by NATO and you and then who knows

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Speaker 1: what what that response would be. I think it shows

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Speaker 1: that Ukraine isn't really afraid of Russia escalating inside Ukraine

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Speaker 1: like Russia. And that's so, you know, Russia has played

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Speaker 1: the card of humanitarian catastrophe by constantly attacking all all

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Speaker 1: of these all these power plants and other other civilian

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Speaker 1: elements of infrastructure. Then they've kind of they don't long,

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Speaker 1: they don't have a threat that they're gonna, you know,

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Speaker 1: go that much more brutal, because at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the conflict you kept hearing people who are sympathetic to

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Speaker 1: the Russian side saying, well that they they have gloves

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Speaker 1: on still that you know, they could really be punishing

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Speaker 1: Ukraine and and they're not so far, so you you know,

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Speaker 1: don't do this or don't do that. Now that they're

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Speaker 1: trying to plunge, they're trying to freeze everybody death over there,

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Speaker 1: then that takes away kind of a stick. So I

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Speaker 1: guess Ukraine is in a we don't have anything to

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Speaker 1: lose frame. Now certainly they do. There are still nuclear

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Speaker 1: weapons that Russia holds, and the world has plenty to

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Speaker 1: lose in a nuclear fireball if this continued to escalate.

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Speaker 1: So to me, it shows the importance of actually getting

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Speaker 1: this thing to the negotiating table, because you don't you

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Speaker 1: don't know any morning you could wake up with somebody

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Speaker 1: stepping over a line that can't that that can't be

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Speaker 1: walked back, right absolutely, And on that note, actually, did

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Speaker 1: you read the National Interest story. We have a graphic

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Speaker 1: of it and we have a tear sheet of it

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Speaker 1: that we can put up right now. It was about

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Speaker 1: what a potential peace proposal might look like. Did you

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Speaker 1: get a chance to take now? What did you so

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Speaker 1: tell me about this? Well, basically what the sort of

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Speaker 1: contours of a legitimate proposal being passed around might be.

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Speaker 1: And that is something that really should have been a

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Speaker 1: conversation months and months and months and months ago. Obviously

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Speaker 1: there's some people who have been talking about it for

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Speaker 1: months and months and months, but it's basically like seven

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Speaker 1: year waiting period for Ukraine to enter NATO, which you know,

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Speaker 1: that's that doesn't really solve any problems at all, actually,

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Speaker 1: and it may be something that can call off everyone

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Speaker 1: calls off their dogs in the moment. But also, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think this would necessarily involve seating some territory to Russia,

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Speaker 1: which is a non starter for Zelenski for a lot

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Speaker 1: of people in the American government, But it has to

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have to have something on the table

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Speaker 1: in order to de escalate, right, And it goes back

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Speaker 1: to this rhetoric where we've set Zelensky up, I think

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Speaker 1: to be humiliated in the way that the US has

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Speaker 1: consistently said that, you know, Zilenski and the Ukrainians are

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Speaker 1: the ones that are fighting on behalf of and negotiating

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Speaker 1: on behalf of Ukrainians, and the United States is just

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Speaker 1: just here to help. Like that. That has been our

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Speaker 1: posture the entire time the United States. Maybe there's a

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Speaker 1: time throughout our our history where we have stuck by

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Speaker 1: our word on something. I can't think of it offhand.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe somebody out there can can find an example.

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Speaker 1: But people who have relied on the word of the

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Speaker 1: United States have consistently lost. And so the idea that

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Speaker 1: an empire like the United States was ever going to

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Speaker 1: indefinitely turn over, uh, it's it's foreign policy to a

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Speaker 1: smaller country like Ukraine that it is that it is

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Speaker 1: that is funding and backing in the in this war

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Speaker 1: against Russia was always absurd. It's it's a nice thought

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Speaker 1: when you know, sovereignty and self determination. Uh, these are

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Speaker 1: nice thoughts. Ever since Woodrow Wilson proposed them, they've been

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Speaker 1: lies ever since Woodrow Wilson propose them. Every country who

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Speaker 1: believed that Woodrow Wilson was serious about their own self determination. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, paid the price of our betrayal that these

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Speaker 1: are words. These are not things that the United States

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Speaker 1: is going to act on and definitely and so ap steal.

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Speaker 1: It is not going to be only up to Ukraine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and here's from national interests. They say. The proposal that's

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Speaker 1: transmitted through Ukrainian contact has been drawn up by quote

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Speaker 1: some Western countries, which is a euphemism for the United States.

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Speaker 1: They put in parentheses, and has been initially accepted by

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Speaker 1: the Ukrainians. The cars on the table for Russia make

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Speaker 1: interesting reading. In this agreement, there's a complete cessation of

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Speaker 1: hostilities and a withdrawal of troops from Ukraine by Russia.

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Speaker 1: The thorny question of NATO will be postponed, and Ukraine

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Speaker 1: will join after a minimum period of seven years, one

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Speaker 1: hundred k kilometer wide security zone will run along the

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Speaker 1: borders of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and will be policed by

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Speaker 1: six western countries. Crimea will become a neutral area and

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Speaker 1: the Russian Navy leave the Black Sea. They say they're

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Speaker 1: in the national interest. That has initially been accepted by

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Speaker 1: the Ukrainians, Crimea becoming a neutral area and withdrawals, the

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Speaker 1: withdrawal of troops from Ukraine. I just I don't see

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Speaker 1: Russia doing that. I don't see Crimea becoming a neutral

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Speaker 1: area from the Ukrainian perspective. So the idea that that's

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Speaker 1: sort of been initially accepted by Ukrainians is pretty surprising

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Speaker 1: to me. And it and then the question is or

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Speaker 1: else what right? So if the if the United States,

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Speaker 1: if let's say hypothetically the United States is offering some

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Speaker 1: type of a deal like this, the question then or

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Speaker 1: what like what what happens if Russia does not accept

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Speaker 1: the terms of this down says According to this, Ukrainians

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Speaker 1: are like, okay, well we'll take we'll take this, like

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Speaker 1: something along the lines along these lines will work. How

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Speaker 1: much more support does the United States offer? And I

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Speaker 1: don't know if we have the element for this here.

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Speaker 1: But the Washing Post is reported this morning that you know,

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Speaker 1: support that indefinite support for US for the war in

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Speaker 1: Ukraine is steadily fading among the American public. Now, there

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Speaker 1: might be enough support to last long enough to get

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Speaker 1: to a place where Russia has to eventually capitulate, and

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Speaker 1: there might not. There also there is a gap, a

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Speaker 1: significant gap between kind of elite and Washington support for

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Speaker 1: the war and public support for the war. And in

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Speaker 1: that gap is the kind of gap of our democracy.

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Speaker 1: Like when it comes to foreign policy, the American public

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Speaker 1: gets some say like they get the sort of like

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Speaker 1: offer an opinion, but they but it's not democratically decided,

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Speaker 1: Like foreign policy decisions are often bipartisan, even if one

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Speaker 1: party would go slightly different direction than the other party.

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Speaker 1: And so if the American public turns against the war,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that the war more support stops. Eventually,

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Speaker 1: Eventually the weight of opposition can work us way kind

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Speaker 1: of through the broken, rusty machinery of our democracy. But

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Speaker 1: will it takes many cycles and to wrap up. And

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Speaker 1: when we started the segment with Putin driving over the

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Speaker 1: crimea bridge, the crimea bridge and national interests said, you know,

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Speaker 1: this leaked piece deal for what it's worth, is basically

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Speaker 1: being rejected by Putin by the fact that he was

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Speaker 1: continuing to bomb Ukrainian infrastructure and then Ukraine retaliated and Russia,

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Speaker 1: by the way, retaliated back. So again, the idea that

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Speaker 1: there's a plausible peace deal being circulated by both sides

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Speaker 1: right now, I mean, it's very important to have terms

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Speaker 1: on the table, period, but the idea that we are

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Speaker 1: meaningfully close to an end I think is unfortunately tragically loose.

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Speaker 1: A yeah, and you could at least say that calling

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Speaker 1: crimea neutral would be a win for Russia because right

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Speaker 1: now you can claim it right now, it's right now

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Speaker 1: it's called officially legally Ukrainian territory that Russia has illegally annexed.

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Speaker 1: And so if they move it back to neutral, then

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Speaker 1: that's that's arguably moving it in Russia's direction. That plus

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Speaker 1: lack of prosecution, maybe maybe there's enough pressure on him

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Speaker 1: that Putin can find some way to declare victory. Let's

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Speaker 1: turn to doctor Anthony Fauci. The transcript of his interview

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Speaker 1: with who was the Missouri ag he was. He's been

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Speaker 1: deposed in a lawsuit brought by the ags the attorney

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Speaker 1: generals of both see one here. Yeah, so this is

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Speaker 1: both Louisiana and Missouri. They have a lawsuit against the

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Speaker 1: federal government, also against the Biden administration for allegedly colluding

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Speaker 1: with social media companies to suppress speech. And they were

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Speaker 1: so Fauci was deposed, I believe last week. Yesterday the

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Speaker 1: full transcript dropped and it is long. I think it

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Speaker 1: makes found. She did not look great. This is a

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Speaker 1: g landry, He's saying in his press release. Fauchi's recent

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Speaker 1: deposition only confirmed what we already knew. Federal bureaucrats and

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Speaker 1: collusion with social media companies watching control not only what

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Speaker 1: you think, but especially what you say. During no time

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Speaker 1: in human history was this more obvious than during COVID nineteen,

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Speaker 1: where social engineering tactics were used against the American public,

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Speaker 1: not to limit your exposure to a virus, but to

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Speaker 1: limit your exposure to information that did not fit within

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Speaker 1: a government sanctioned narrative. And you can see if you

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Speaker 1: read the full transcript, which is it's extremely long. He

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Speaker 1: was deposed for a very long time or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was an hours and hours of deposition on Fauci's

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Speaker 1: behalf you can see I mean Fauci uses the term

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Speaker 1: I do not recall, the famous term I do not recall,

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Speaker 1: many many, many times. He leans on that, very very heavily.

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Speaker 1: I do not recall. I do not recall. And again

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Speaker 1: that's very common of people in positions of power, whenever

643
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Speaker 1: they're to posed. The American public is well aware of that,

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Speaker 1: and in a long deposition you would imagine that or

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Speaker 1: be some I do networcalls. But I want to put

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Speaker 1: up this statement that we got from Justin Goodman with

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Speaker 1: Whitecoat Waste project. That's going to be let's pop that

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Speaker 1: up on the screen because Justin I reached out to

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Speaker 1: him last night Whitecoat Waste. We had him on the

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Speaker 1: show a couple of weeks back. They've been doing a

651
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Speaker 1: lot of insanely good foil work that and a lot

652
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Speaker 1: of what we know about what the government knew in

653
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: the early days of the pandemic has come from them.

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Speaker 1: So Justin immediately gave the statement to us here at

655
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: counterpoints and said, what really jumped out at me from

656
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Speaker 1: this deposition is that in his in the deposition, Fauci

657
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 1: definitively states at numerous points that it is quote impossible

658
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Speaker 1: that the animal experiments that he funded in Wuhan could

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00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: have sparked the pandemic. At the same time, he claims

660
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: he's only vaguely familiar with the project he was funding

661
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: there and that he barely knows the key pay players,

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00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: including some of these scientists and people may be familiar

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Speaker 1: with Peter Dashak and Eco Health Alliance and Fauci Justin says,

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Speaker 1: cannot have it both ways. Hopefully the incoming House JP

665
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Speaker 1: majority is promised COVID Origins investigation can refresh his memory

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Speaker 1: and get the truth, all right, Ryan, I think that

667
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: is a really big tension for Fauci, and in the

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00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: deposition you can see him repeatedly saying, I'm vaguely familiar

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Speaker 1: with Dazac, I'm vague vaguely familiar with the Eco Health Alliance,

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Speaker 1: but also is impossible. Impossible is what he's saying publicly

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Speaker 1: that the animal research here created the pandemic uh The

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Speaker 1: one my favorite part was that he also doesn't know

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Speaker 1: how to pronounce da Zach yes, which I still don't.

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Speaker 1: I've been reporting on the guy for two years. Let's

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Speaker 1: just go with Zach, says. The lawyer says, how do

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Speaker 1: you say his name? If you know, and Fauci says,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I think it's Dazac. I think so,

678
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: but completely unhelpful transcript because it just spells the name

679
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Speaker 1: like I need to go, I need to go. Listen

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Speaker 1: to the audio. And then he says, we've met once

681
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Speaker 1: or twice, but I don't know, but we may, like

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if we've met, and he says, there's

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Speaker 1: a picture of us at a scientific conference, which and

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Speaker 1: he rightly says, like, look, that happens a lot. I mean,

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Speaker 1: hundreds of people at science for conferences. They're like, it's

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Speaker 1: doctor Faucci. Let me get a picture. They snapped selfie

687
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Speaker 1: few years long later, they might start a pandemic, and

688
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Speaker 1: then now all of a sudden, you're getting blamed for

689
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Speaker 1: the pandemic because this person snapped a selfie with you.

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Speaker 1: But you're right that he consistently says, yes, it's true

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Speaker 1: that NIAI D you know, funded Eco Health Alliance, but

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Speaker 1: this particular project, did we fund that particular one? You know,

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Speaker 1: you know who knows well. And they also get into

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Speaker 1: a ridiculous debate about gain of function. And this is

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Speaker 1: something that you've covered a lot about Fauci and the

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Speaker 1: medical establishment being very cagy, but what the actual definition

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Speaker 1: of gain of function is, because that might mean the

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Speaker 1: grant that was given an Eco Health Alliance government grant,

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Speaker 1: given an Eco Health Alliance I would have had to

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Speaker 1: have been approved by Fauci. And he's saying in the

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Speaker 1: step position, was it wasn't that he doesn't think, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't remember, but he doesn't think it was at his level.

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Speaker 1: It may have been a deputy that it came across

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Speaker 1: their desk, not his desk, something to that effect, that

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Speaker 1: the money was going to something that was intentionally gain

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Speaker 1: a function. There had been a cessation of a federal

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Speaker 1: cessation of gain funding for gain of function research. And

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Speaker 1: he basically concedes at one point in this deposition, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the terms in the grant could mean amplifying

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Speaker 1: the virus. Certainly good and so just read I'll just

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Speaker 1: read a little tiny bit of that. Lawyer says, so

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Speaker 1: you refer to conditions under which such research should be

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Speaker 1: done when you're generating potentially dangerous viruses. It's like, right,

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Speaker 1: first of all, is that kind of research generally referred

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Speaker 1: to as gain of function research? And here I'll just

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Speaker 1: stops gain of function is is Fauci. Gain of function

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Speaker 1: is a very potentially misleading terminology, yes, and that was

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons why several years ago, outside groups,

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Speaker 1: not the NIH, made the determination that they would much

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Speaker 1: more strictly define the guardrails of experiments that would require

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Speaker 1: additional oversight and did away with the terminology gain of

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Speaker 1: function because it can often be very confusing and misleading.

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Speaker 1: So read between the lines of what he's saying there

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Speaker 1: the gut. In order to stave off government regulation, these

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Speaker 1: outside organizations said that they were going to self regulate,

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Speaker 1: that they were going to police themselves, put up their

727
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Speaker 1: own guardrails, and also, by the way, they were going

728
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Speaker 1: to get rid of this pesky term gain of function,

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Speaker 1: so that if somebody comes asking, like, are you doing

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Speaker 1: gain to function research over here, well, there is no

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Speaker 1: such thing really as gain of function research, and we've

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Speaker 1: put up all of these guardrails, and this is all

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Speaker 1: of this giant debate is happening between twenty twelve, twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. Obama, to his great credit, I wasn't even

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Speaker 1: following this at the time, clearly got a very good

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Speaker 1: briefing on this issue, and it was like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: this looks dangerous, and he paused all gain of function research.

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Speaker 1: Not long after the pause was lifted, the Trump campaign

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Speaker 1: comes in. Trump Trump administration comes in, and Fauci, who

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Speaker 1: has forty years of bureaucratic knife fighting experience, it's like, oh, cool,

741
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Speaker 1: new administration, new rules, I can get this lifted. You

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Speaker 1: get it lifted. A couple of years later, we have

743
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Speaker 1: a pandemic That alone does not prove anything, but the

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Speaker 1: timeline is frightening that if what is alleged to have

745
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Speaker 1: happened in the Wuhan lab did actually did actually spark

746
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Speaker 1: the pandemic, it only took a couple of years with

747
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Speaker 1: this risky research. We're still doing it, and we're doing

748
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Speaker 1: it at a much greater clip around the world at

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Speaker 1: this point. We hosted a few months back, I think

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Speaker 1: it was over the summer, a debate between someone at

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Speaker 1: MIT and someone at Johns Hopkins on what gain of

752
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Speaker 1: function is and if it's worth it. So I really

753
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: that was a very clarifying conversation. So if folks are

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00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: interested in that, they can check it out. That was

755
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: back at the Hill, But it was fascinating to pit

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Speaker 1: experts against each other because this is a question experts

757
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: disagree on now. I think most of the public is

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Speaker 1: probably in our camp run. It's like this is no

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Speaker 1: I stop. And so to Justin's point that a house

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Speaker 1: goop now that we know they'll have the majority, McCarthy

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Speaker 1: has said he's told me, he's told other people that

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Speaker 1: he absolutely will be investigating the origins of COVID. I

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Speaker 1: think though, that this deposition, which is hours long, hundreds

764
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Speaker 1: of pages long, is a great glimpse into what that's

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Speaker 1: going to look like if they put if they try

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Speaker 1: to get Fauci to testify. I don't think he has

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00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: any fear of testifying. It's why he goes on every

768
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Speaker 1: different show that'll have him. People you know, want he

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Speaker 1: wants to talk to people. He's arrogant to the point

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Speaker 1: where he thinks he can explain away that he can

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Speaker 1: basically talk through any of these questions. So I don't

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Speaker 1: know how productive it is to continue the investigating, continue

773
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: probing Fauci because he's he doesn't admit to anything. He says,

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Speaker 1: you know, he'll get into these. At one point, the

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Speaker 1: attorney basically says, you know, stop going on tangents in

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Speaker 1: the deposition because it does seem to be an intentional

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Speaker 1: sort of deflection technique where he's talking for a really

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Speaker 1: long time and going in different directions in order to

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00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: distract from one question or another. So, if House Republicans

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Speaker 1: want to get to the bottom of this, I know

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Speaker 1: that Fauchi is a headline grabber. I doubt that Fauci

782
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: himself is that you're going to get any productive lines

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Speaker 1: of inquiry out of Fauci himself at this point, because

784
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Speaker 1: he is ready to talk in circles around absolutely anyone

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Speaker 1: without revealing pretty much anything. So let's move on to

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. Big case potentially a landmark case in

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Speaker 1: front of the Supreme Court or oil arguments. Happened yesterday

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Speaker 1: in the three Zho three creative case, which I really

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Speaker 1: think could be a landmark First Amendment case. Now that

790
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: the balance of the court has shifted, right words, folks

791
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Speaker 1: are expecting this to change what happened in the Masterpiece

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Speaker 1: Cake Shop case, which a lot of people might remember.

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Speaker 1: Jack Phillips, he's a Colorado baker, ended up in the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court because essentially he would is being compelled legally

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Speaker 1: to create what he sees as art, which would be

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Speaker 1: the decoration of a cake. The baking of a cake,

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Speaker 1: the decoration of a cake for causes like same sex

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Speaker 1: marriages that he didn't agree with. He said, I'll happily

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Speaker 1: serve any customer, it doesn't matter race, sex, religion, sexual orientation.

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Speaker 1: I will serve any customer. I can't create art that

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Speaker 1: violates my values. So that ended up at the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court as to whether the government, for the sake of

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Speaker 1: preventing discrimination, can compel him to do that. Laurie Smith

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Speaker 1: is now in front of the Supreme Court. She's also

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Speaker 1: from Colorado and she is doing the same thing. Basically,

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Speaker 1: she's a graphic designer, a website designer, so she's saying

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Speaker 1: she doesn't want to create wedding websites for same sex couples,

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Speaker 1: and Colorado has that protective antidiscrimination law. That's what got

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Speaker 1: Jack Phillips ended up having the court case with Jack

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Speaker 1: Phillips and Masterpiece in the first place because of Colorado law. Ryan, So,

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Speaker 1: what was the precise result of the cake wedding cake

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Speaker 1: keepers back and forth. Was the cake maker told that

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Speaker 1: because the law. I know that law was upheld, but

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Speaker 1: there was some carve out for the cake maker or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's exactly that it's it's not a clean cut, and

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Speaker 1: that's what the right is hoping for in three A

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Speaker 1: three creative, that you would have a clean cut protection

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Speaker 1: of conscience in this case. Basically the carve that are like,

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Speaker 1: all right, you don't have to make this particular cake. Yeah,

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00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: it was, but everybody else has to follow law. And

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Speaker 1: Jack Phobes continues to get sued to do the same thing,

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Speaker 1: to make the same types of cakes. And so it's

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Speaker 1: one of those things where the right is hoping that

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Speaker 1: there can be a more clear cut protection in this case.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the oral arguments yesterday were interesting, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: we both had similar reaction just looking at some of

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Speaker 1: the stuff as it goes down. Let's actually put let's

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Speaker 1: play the salt D two because we get the audio

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Speaker 1: clips from the oral arguments, which is always fun. So

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Speaker 1: here's one from yesterday of what Justice Kennedy wrote in

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Speaker 1: Oberga Fell about honorable people who object to same sex marriage.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's fair to equate opposition to same

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Speaker 1: sex marriage with opposition to interracial marriage? Yes, because in

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Speaker 1: how the law applies, not in the discussion with folks,

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Speaker 1: because of course, honorable people have different views on this issue. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And there was a lot of back and forth that

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Speaker 1: went in some very strange hypotheticals were floating Black Santa yes,

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Speaker 1: and it went. And that was you were hearing the

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Speaker 1: voice of the Colorado Solicitor General Eric Olsen, who was

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Speaker 1: defending the comparison of race and sexual orientation. A lot

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Speaker 1: of justices pushed him on that note. And the peoples

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00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: who analyzed courts and analyze these oral arguments seemed to

843
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Speaker 1: think it was pretty clear where this decision was going

844
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Speaker 1: to go, which was favoring Laurie Smith. What did what

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Speaker 1: did you make of what we heard from? I mean,

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Speaker 1: it does seem like they've got the votes and they're

847
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna try to ram this through it. The

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Speaker 1: question will be how how wide or narrow it is.

849
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Speaker 1: But let's be clear about what Laurie Smith is asking for.

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Speaker 1: Nobody has come to her and asked her to make

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Speaker 1: a website for a same sex marriage like that hasn't

852
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: happened yet, and she's it seems like she wants to

853
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: make one of these sites where basically you fill in

854
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: your name, your date, like when you're when your wedding is,

855
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: you can upload your photos like you're you're basically the

856
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: one that's doing the designing. But you know, she'll like

857
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: make the fonts and the like the pretty part in

858
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: the background, and she wants to put up on she

859
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: hasn't built this yet, she wants to build it. She

860
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: wants to put up on her site that, uh, you know,

861
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: same sex marriages need not apply, like you can't it,

862
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: need not try to do business at her shop, like

863
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: this is only for opposite sex couples, like she wants

864
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: to She wants to be able to put that on

865
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: her website rather than somebody having walked through the door

866
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: and said, hey, we we we'd like a website, and

867
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: so that takes it that That's I think is where

868
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: the landmark element comes in, because if if she can

869
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: do that, then why can't Facebook do that? Why can't

870
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: Twitter do that? Why can't you know, any other private

871
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 1: company say that we don't believe we don't we don't

872
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: allow same sex couples to use our services. But that's

873
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: not what she's I mean, she she will serve any

874
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: same sex couple. She won't make a website for same

875
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: sex wedd She she won't make a website that is

876
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: specifically for the act of a wedding, and I would think,

877
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: but that's her, that's what her business is going to

878
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: be right or right. But that doesn't mean she wouldn't right. So,

879
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: but it's the marriage itself that doesn't mean that, like

880
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: she wouldn't design a website or and it's the same

881
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: thing with Jack Phillips. It's not that he wouldn't make

882
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: a cake or decorate a cake for somebody's birthday. Whatever

883
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: their sexual orientation happened to be, or whatever their race

884
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: or sex or whatever it was, they will still be

885
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: served there, happily, will be served by the business. But

886
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: the wedding itself if it violates your religious values. And

887
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: that's why I think this case is so interesting because

888
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: this is a really fundamental question about the First Amendment.

889
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: And you're right that I actually talked to her a

890
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: few months back, and that was one of the things

891
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: that I was getting at, is, you know, what is

892
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 1: taking this to court? Where is this going and why?

893
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: And the Jack Phillips case was it really did shake

894
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: a lot of Christians in Colorado who said, we're just

895
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: trying to operate businesses here and follow our values at

896
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: the same time. And you've heard similar cases like this

897
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: come up from Muslim businesses, from Orthodox Jewish businesses, and

898
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: it's becoming a real point of tension in society. And

899
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: I think that's why a case like this, and somebody

900
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: like Laurie Smith is saying, I want to whatever you

901
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: think of the motivation to seek the protection people, the

902
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: protection in and of itself is a pretty big tension

903
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: point in the country right now. And it's the same

904
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: one that the kind of diner owners in North Carolina

905
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties were using, right, that it was

906
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: the First Amendment free right of somebody who owns a

907
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: lunch counter to just serve whoever they want to serve. Yeah,

908
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: that's it. And that's the Arry Goldwater argument too, who

909
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: was very involved with the NAACP, who was saying it's

910
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: not the federal government's responsibility to determine how a business

911
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: owner wants to discriminate, which we have obviously rejected with

912
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: the Civil Rights Act and in federal court since then.

913
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: But that was the argument being made, I think, and

914
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: I think right, and so I think we and the

915
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: Supreme Court, I think, still believes that. I don't think

916
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: even this six ' three majority would say that no, actually,

917
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: a public accommodation like a diner can, in fact, is

918
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: free to discriminate based that's not speech, like, that doesn't

919
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: count as speech. Yeah, you can't discriminate based on race, right, Yeah,

920
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: but can you discriminate based on sexuality? Well, and that's

921
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: again where the Civil Rights Act was always a really

922
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: interesting test case for this, because if somebody claims their

923
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 1: religion is racist, right they outright say my religion discriminates

924
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: based on race. Well, the federal government has stepped in

925
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 1: and basically said, we don't care if your religion says

926
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: that you should be discriminating and segregating. If you have

927
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: a pro segregationist religious belief, you are not able to

928
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: practice that as a business owner in your private property.

929
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: The federal government is stepping in. Now. I think that

930
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: is a very very reasonable, a very reasonable distinction. Now,

931
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: in this case, what's happened is that our public opinion

932
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: on same sex marriage has shifted very very quickly, and

933
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: it's a similar sort of test point. But at this

934
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: at the same time, I think it's it's pretty much

935
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: within the boundaries of you know, she has a position

936
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: on same sex marriage that Barack Obama had about ten

937
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: years ago, literally ten years ago, and I think it's

938
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 1: fine to say that businesses should be able to choose,

939
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: you know, what business they want to do. Like if

940
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: somebody comes into a T shirt shop and wants a

941
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: pornographic T shirt made, a T shirt shop can be like, no,

942
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: we like, that's that's not the that's not the kind

943
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: of thing that we do. Or if it's a kind

944
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: of one of the if it's like a right let's

945
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: say it's a right wing T shirt shop, they shouldn't

946
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: have they shouldn't have to make you know, gun control

947
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: t shirts. If it's a left wing one, they shouldn't

948
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: have to make you know, AR fifteen t shirts. Like

949
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: I get that, But to say that in entire class

950
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: of people, which are you know, gay people, are not

951
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: entitled to use this product, I think is different now

952
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: it should I don't think that you should, you know,

953
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: force a poet to write a poem for a wedding

954
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: that they don't that they don't support. I don't think

955
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: you should force a harpist to play it once Like

956
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: if you're a if you're if you're an artist, that's

957
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: one thing you can you can pick and choose. Now.

958
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: But Jack Phillips sees his work as although I don't

959
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: actually I don't think. No, let me take let me

960
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: take a harpist, let me take a harpist back, like

961
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: I think a harpist. If you do wedding businesses, you

962
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: should do all you should do all all wedding businesses.

963
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: You know, within reason, if you if your book that day,

964
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: you can't do it like you can you can turn

965
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: down business. But to turn down business, well, no, I

966
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: won't play harp at a at a gay marriage like

967
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: that that I think a gay wedding. I don't that.

968
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: I don't think uh that I don't think is okay

969
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 1: within the within the bounds, that's not it's not your speech.

970
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: That's just a service. So I don't think she sees

971
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: it as her art. And then you get to this,

972
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: but she's already made, but the government film it's like

973
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: a fill in the blank's website. Like I think she

974
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: needs to get over herself with like whether this is

975
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: her speech. It's not her speech, it's not her wedding.

976
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: It's their wedding, it's their love like stops, it's not

977
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: you like so you're it's just your website. You just

978
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: agree that what she's doing in terms of website design

979
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: is creative, and that I think so. But then the

980
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: government is determining whether baking a cake is art when

981
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: Jack Phillips, who's been doing this for decades, sees it

982
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: as art, he sees it as he won on right. Yeah,

983
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: And then so again this is the government coming in

984
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: and joining the lion as to what constitutes art, what

985
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: constitutes speech, what constitutes I mean, like, all of these

986
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: questions I think are good ones to work out. But

987
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: my colleague David Harsani wrote a decent question he was

988
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: talking about. So he says wo Cole, who says the

989
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: ACLU has been this nation's leading defender for speed for

990
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: more than a century. Call for the state to intervene

991
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: in the case of an evangelical customer who wants to

992
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: compel a gay designer to create a website for an

993
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: organization that wants to overturn same sex marriage laws and

994
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: preaches or preaches that acts of homosexuality are immortal sin.

995
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: And that's why again we get into this a lot

996
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: with like, evangelical Christians have a very particular cultural connotation

997
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: right now, but this happens to people that are not

998
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: just evangelical Christians. It happens to Muslims, that happens to

999
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: Orthodox Jews, as we just were talking about. And if

1000
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 1: the protections I think are not enshrined, it will happen

1001
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: to other people, will happen to people who are pro LGBT,

1002
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 1: and get pushed on this by people who are anti

1003
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: And so I just think this protection in the sort

1004
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 1: of broad from the broader perspective is a worthwhile one.

1005
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: And I think this discussion is a testament to how

1006
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: interesting these questions are and how fundamental they are to

1007
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: the way we function as a country. I wonder if

1008
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: if the country can get to a place where, though

1009
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: the war is so thoroughly won on that question that

1010
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: if there are a couple of businesses that don't want

1011
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: to do it, that it that it doesn't you know,

1012
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: hamper people's ability to get done, because you like, throughout

1013
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: history there's always there's always tension between between overreach and

1014
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: how much you force people along. Like if you take

1015
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: like the French Revolution, where they basically just like annihilate

1016
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church, like that ended up not working out

1017
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: so well for them eventually, and so maybe so if

1018
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: they had you know, been a little bit more, if

1019
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: they had created more space as they did later in

1020
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 1: the in the revolution. You know, for people who are like, look,

1021
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm not against the revolution, but we just want to

1022
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: keep our priests, they eventually like, okay, you know what,

1023
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: that's fine, And that's a good point because I think

1024
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: we're basically, I actually think we're pretty much there. And

1025
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: that's been the case with Jack Phillips, definitely the case

1026
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,479
Speaker 1: with Lori Smith, and it's definitely the case with Baron

1027
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: mill Stutsman up in Washington State of a florist. There

1028
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: are plenty of options at the same price point in

1029
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: all of these places. What happens is these in some cases,

1030
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: it's activists are intentionally pushing the question and intentionally trying

1031
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: to get it to the courts. To this one was right,

1032
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: how do you mean? Yes, yeah, this case basically from

1033
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: start to finish, yes, and again we're working it out

1034
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: in the court. So but to your point, you know,

1035
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: pending this decision. But I think the good news is,

1036
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: you know, customers can can get the product that they're

1037
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: looking for at this stage in the country, regardless of

1038
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: where they fall on that question. There are people who

1039
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: will serve you. And I think it's hard for but

1040
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: I think it's hard for people in particularly LGBTQ community

1041
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: to feel to feel comfortable in their gains at this

1042
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: point because of the backsliding that they're that they're seeing

1043
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: from say like the from the Fox News World. You

1044
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: get your all of these kind of drag Queen's story

1045
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: hour panics being built up, and so I think it's

1046
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: like while from the right, they you guys look around,

1047
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: and you're like, you guys, won what do you? What

1048
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: are you? What are you worried about? You've got it,

1049
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: just let us have our little web design company here

1050
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: in peace. From their perspective, they're still under siege. So

1051
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: and when when both sides feel under siege, it's really

1052
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: hard for either to kind of reach a compromise, I

1053
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: think absolutely. And I think that's what we see when

1054
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: we get these kind of test cases making their way

1055
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: through the court system. So we'll continue to follow this

1056
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: one for sure. On the question of people coming to agreement,

1057
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: perhaps your monologue today is going to get at something

1058
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: that people can come to agreement on. There we go,

1059
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: what's your point this ending this war in Yemen? So

1060
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: we can report today that Senator Bernie Sanders is planning

1061
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: to force a vote on a war powers resolution aimed

1062
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: at blocking US support for the Saudi led war and

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Speaker 1: Yemen as soon as next week. He told my colleague

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Speaker 1: at the Intercept Dan Bogus Law, an agreement for a

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Speaker 1: ceasefire in Yemen between the Saudi led Alliance and the Houthis,

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Speaker 1: who are backed by Iran, expired October first, though both

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Speaker 1: sides have tenuously maintained that piece. Now, Backers of a

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Speaker 1: war powers resolution say that a strong vote in the

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Speaker 1: Senate in the Lame Duck will send a signal to

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia that it does not have a free hand

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Speaker 1: to restart hostilities. Despite the Biden administration's more placating posture

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Speaker 1: amid its hunt for lower oil prices, anti war advocates

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Speaker 1: had become a bit frustrated that sanders head, until today

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Speaker 1: not announced if and when he'd be moving forward with

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Speaker 1: the vote. Though it's fair to say that Sanders has

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Speaker 1: been heavily occupied. He led the fight last week against

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Speaker 1: against forcing a contract on rail workers that they had

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Speaker 1: democratically rejected, and he worked with House allies unsuccessfully to

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Speaker 1: add seven sick days to it. He's also fighting the

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Speaker 1: effort to add Senator Joe manchins Energy permitting reform to

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Speaker 1: the National Defense Authorization Act. Now a vote would not

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Speaker 1: take significant floor time, though, and anti or advocates have

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Speaker 1: been pushing him hard privately to move ahead with the vote.

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Speaker 1: The news that he's finally doing so will surely hearten

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Speaker 1: those who've been pressuring him. Now. A War Powers resolution

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Speaker 1: is quote privileged in the Senate, which means that the

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Speaker 1: sponsor of it can bring it to the floor for

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Speaker 1: a vote without the need for approval by the Chambers

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Speaker 1: leadership once a certain amount of time has elapsed. At

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Speaker 1: that point, the resolution has what we call ripened, and

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Speaker 1: the one sponsored by Sanders is now ripe, meaning it

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Speaker 1: can come to the floor. On Wednesday, a coalition of

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Speaker 1: groups pushing to end the war and Yemen plan to

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Speaker 1: release a letter to Congress calling for a war Powers

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Speaker 1: resolution vote during the lame Duck, and today the House

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Speaker 1: Foreign Affairs Committee holds a hearing on the issue. The

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Speaker 1: House version of the War Powers resolution is sponsored by

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Speaker 1: outgoing Representative Peter de Fazio, and it needs the support

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Speaker 1: of Representative Jim McGovern to get through the House Rules Committee.

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Speaker 1: It's much easier to move the House version once the

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Speaker 1: Senate version passes if it does. The war between Russia

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Speaker 1: and Ukraine, though in which the US has been supporting

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Speaker 1: Ukraine without a declaration of war, may complicate the politics

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Speaker 1: of the resolution because some of the language as applied

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Speaker 1: to Yemen would appear to perhaps equally apply to the

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Speaker 1: war in Ukraine, though of course Congress is never under

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Speaker 1: any obligation to be consistent in their interpretation across countries.

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Speaker 1: The resolution defines quote hostilities in a number of ways,

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Speaker 1: including quote sharing intelligence for the purpose of enabling offensive

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Speaker 1: coalition strikes, and providing logistical support for offensive coalition strikes,

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Speaker 1: including by providing maintenance or transferring spare parts to coalition

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Speaker 1: members flying warplanes engaged in anti Houthy bombings and Yemen unquote. Now,

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Speaker 1: that definition is legally safe in Ukraine, probably since there's

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Speaker 1: no evidence the US is helping Ukraine target Russia inside

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Speaker 1: Russia's own borders, although we might be, it's not known,

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Speaker 1: and there was just a major strike inside Russia's borders.

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Speaker 1: If there's any evidence that the US participated in that,

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Speaker 1: that could trigger that provision right there. But the second

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Speaker 1: definition reads quote quote the assignment of the United States

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Speaker 1: Armed Forces, including of any civilian or mis military personnel

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Speaker 1: of the Department of Defense to command, coordinate, participate in

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Speaker 1: the movement of, or accompany the regular or irregular military

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Speaker 1: forces of the Saudi led coalition forces and hostilities against

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Speaker 1: the Huthis in Yemen, or in situations in which there

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Speaker 1: exists an imminent threat that such coalition forces become engaged

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Speaker 1: in such hostilities unless than until the President has obtained

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Speaker 1: specific statutory authorization in accordance with Section eight A of

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Speaker 1: the War Powers Resolution unquote. Now. As the Intercept has

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Speaker 1: previously reported, the US Special Operations personnel have indeed played

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Speaker 1: an active role in Ukraine under a presidential Covert Action finding,

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Speaker 1: despite the ceasefire lapsing in February, though the Saudis have

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Speaker 1: yet to resume bombing, Anti war advocates believe that the

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Speaker 1: Saudi hesitation flows from a concern that opponents of the

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Speaker 1: war in Washington would get an upper hand at the

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Speaker 1: first report of civilian casualties from a renewed campaign of

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Speaker 1: bombing in a war that has stretched on for some

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Speaker 1: seven years now. The Saudis continued to maintain a blockade

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Speaker 1: of Yemen, strangling the country's economy, producing a humanitarian crisis

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Speaker 1: of biblical proportions, and part of this, Emily feels like fatigue.

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Speaker 1: But what's your point today? Christmas time can be really lonely,

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Speaker 1: whether we're in a pandemic or not. Thankfully most people

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Speaker 1: believe we're on the other side of COVID now. But

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Speaker 1: ahead of Thanksgiving, economist Bryce Ward crunched some post pandemic

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Speaker 1: numbers for The Washington Post. Quote our social lives were

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Speaker 1: withering dramatically before COVID nineteen, Ward found between twenty fourteen

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Speaker 1: and twenty nineteen, He added, time spent with friends went down,

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Speaker 1: and time spent alone went up by more than it

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Speaker 1: did during the pandemic, more than it did during the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: Ward was looking at the Census Bureau's American Time Youse Survey.

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Speaker 1: According to the data, right around twenty fourteen, weekly alone

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Speaker 1: time started to increase significantly. As Word notes, our average

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Speaker 1: weekly time spent with friends had actually been stable in

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Speaker 1: the years leading up to twenty fourteen. That time period

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Speaker 1: is really critical when you dive deeper into the numbers.

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Speaker 1: It was right around twenty fourteen that adult social media

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Speaker 1: use started to stabilize. According to Pew, the percentage of

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Speaker 1: adults who say they use at least one social media

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Speaker 1: site smooth out starting in twenty fourteen. Oddly enough, it's

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Speaker 1: around sixty two percent. Deloitte compared American time use in

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Speaker 1: tw thousand and three with twenty seventeen and found we

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Speaker 1: spent more time watching TV and less time working out.

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Speaker 1: So we're spending more time alone, more time watching TV,

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Speaker 1: less time with friends and family, and less time exercising.

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Speaker 1: These numbers are complicated, sure, but that is obviously a

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Speaker 1: recipe for cultural chaos, especially with big changes happening over

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Speaker 1: short periods of time. So who's the culprit here? Stagnant wages, division,

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Speaker 1: the sexual revolution? Maybe a combination of everything. Culture versus

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Speaker 1: economics is an age old chicken or egg question. Earlier

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Speaker 1: this year, Seth Stevens di Midwitz did a good overview

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Speaker 1: of what we know about those about that question in

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Speaker 1: a New York Times essay quote. A study of thousands

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Speaker 1: of millionaires led by researchers at Harvard Business School did

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Speaker 1: find a gain in happiness that kicks in when people's

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Speaker 1: net worth rises above eight million dollars, he wrote, but

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Speaker 1: the effect was small. A net worth of eight million

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Speaker 1: dollars offers a boost of happiness that is roughly half

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Speaker 1: as large as the happiness boost from being married. It's

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Speaker 1: a little cheaper option. Arthur Brooks studies happiness full time quote.

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Speaker 1: One of the greatest paradoxes in American life is that

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Speaker 1: while on average existence has gotten more comfortable over time,

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Speaker 1: happiness has fallen. He wrote that in The Atlantic back

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, and added, according to the US Census Bureau,

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Speaker 1: average household income in the US adjusted for inflation, was

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Speaker 1: higher in twenty nineteen than has ever been recorded for

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Speaker 1: every income quintile. And although income inequality has risen, this

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Speaker 1: has not been mirrored by inequality in the consumption of

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Speaker 1: goods and services. Meanwhile, domestic government services have increased significantly.

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Speaker 1: For example, federal spending on education, training, employment, and social

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Speaker 1: services increased from twenty to twenty nineteen by about thirty

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Speaker 1: percent in inflation and justice terms. So if we shift

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Speaker 1: back one more time, stay with me here to Stephen's

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Speaker 1: Davidowitz in the Times, we might we see what might

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Speaker 1: explain this great paradox that Brooks has identified. Steven Zavidevitz wrote,

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Speaker 1: the activities that make people happiness include happiest include sex, exercise,

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Speaker 1: and gardening. People get a big happiness boost from being

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Speaker 1: with a romantic partner or friends, but not from other

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Speaker 1: people like colleagues bad news Ryan, bad news for me too,

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Speaker 1: children or acquaintances. People are consistently happier when they are

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Speaker 1: out in nature, particularly near a body of water, particularly

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Speaker 1: when the scenery is beautiful. So on that note, yes,

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Speaker 1: we also know Americans are having less sex now too.

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Speaker 1: My old editor Tim Carney wrote a wonderful book on

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Speaker 1: all of this a couple of years ago, called Alienated America.

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Speaker 1: Tim pointed partially at the rise of the gig economy

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Speaker 1: over the last decade. Think uber and lyft and delivery

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Speaker 1: services and even independent contractor jobs. Quote a hyper individualized

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Speaker 1: capitalism is currently taking us toward a world where workers

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Speaker 1: are available when needed, but no lasting attachment is formed,

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Speaker 1: wrote Carney. Work can't form an institution of civil society

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Speaker 1: because work is no longer a place or a company

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Speaker 1: or colleagues. It's a series of gigs with no lasting

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Speaker 1: attachment and no long term investment. Young people are less

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Speaker 1: likely to find mentorship and training. They're less likely to

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Speaker 1: find the work stability that is fitting for family life.

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Speaker 1: We all have agency as individuals. The right is correct

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Speaker 1: about that, but it's also true that corporations are preying

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Speaker 1: on our vulnerabilities and new and significant and specific ways.

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Speaker 1: Consolidation of monopoly power is giving consumers less power to

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Speaker 1: push back to government and big ed saddle generations with

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Speaker 1: insane levels of student loan debt amounts people say make

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Speaker 1: them put off marriage and home ownership. By the way,

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Speaker 1: we're also working more than we did in the past.

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Speaker 1: This is a bleak economy and it's a bleak culture,

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Speaker 1: with mora alone, time less marriage, sex, and children, at

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Speaker 1: least on that front. Though Bricks's paradox can become empowering

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Speaker 1: if look gat from the right vantage point, The saga

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Speaker 1: of the real workers has put on full display the

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Speaker 1: corporate strategy of making normal life almost impossible for employees.

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Speaker 1: The good news is we can say no to extra TV,

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Speaker 1: no to toxic food, no to dating apps, no to Netflix,

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Speaker 1: and no to more time alone. It's not easy at

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Speaker 1: all to do that, and some of us definitely have

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Speaker 1: a whole lot more free time than others. But with

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Speaker 1: our spare time, whether it's a lot or just a little,

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Speaker 1: we can go outside. We can't date, to Mary, we

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Speaker 1: can't hang out with friends and family. There's no downplaying

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Speaker 1: the importance of living wages and material stability. But while

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Speaker 1: we fight the political class on that front, we can

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Speaker 1: also push back in our own lives as well. It's

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Speaker 1: definitely not easy, but in some very big ways, it

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Speaker 1: is free ran. The loneliness numbers before the pandemic. If

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Speaker 1: you look at the short thank you everybody, have a

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Speaker 1: great not weekend, have a great Wednesday, because we'll be

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Speaker 1: back here on Thursday. See you then,