Speaker 1: Look, Mayer, Oh, I see you my own look over
Speaker 1: there is that culture yess wow, lost culture ding dong
Speaker 1: lost Culturesta's calling. Wait. We both were really in our
Speaker 1: own mask saying that.
Speaker 2: You know what's happening lately? What And it's not that
Speaker 2: I mind him just putting it out. You have been
Speaker 2: starting very high in a high register, you go ding dong,
Speaker 2: and I always just want to meet you where you're at.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you you raised me up in the
Speaker 2: words of.
Speaker 1: Yes who always uses the mask. Okay, so well, can
Speaker 1: I tell you something about growing up a queer child.
Speaker 2: I don't know a thing about it.
Speaker 1: Tell me. Listen to everyone, everyone that's listening to the
Speaker 1: podcast sort of gathering. I'm gonna tell you something about
Speaker 1: being a queer child. Come, you're a queer child specifically
Speaker 1: from like a part of the country where like guys
Speaker 1: talk like this. You know what I'm talking about. So
Speaker 1: it's this idea that when you are a person who
Speaker 1: is like speaking in a lower voice all day, is
Speaker 1: that it's node zone. You're going straight to Nodestown. And
Speaker 1: then it's actually a sequel to Hadestown. No Nodestown, And
Speaker 1: Rachel is attached the most amazing director is going to
Speaker 1: be attached, and we're so excited to start and Ivan
Speaker 1: Noble Sada is coming back to do it. Yes. And
Speaker 1: so when you get older and you sort of get
Speaker 1: good with being gay, you start to speak in your
Speaker 1: mask more. And I'm seeing all the little gays who
Speaker 1: don't know they're gay yet. So we're talking a lot
Speaker 1: of this. I'm like, honey, for yourself, use.
Speaker 2: The mask, use the mask. Well, I thank you for
Speaker 2: inspiring me the community. I feel like I have been.
Speaker 2: I've just been finding myself, meaning me up here. And
Speaker 2: it's so funny if you listen, and I know we
Speaker 2: bring this up every quarter or so, go back and
Speaker 2: listen to the old episodes.
Speaker 1: We are Yeah, we are young. The voices sound sprightly, young,
Speaker 1: full of hope. Oh isn't it interesting you in particular?
Speaker 1: I know your voice weird an octaviiger. It's so strange
Speaker 1: in the beginning. Huh, what do you think that is age?
Speaker 1: The year? The years?
Speaker 2: It's inhaling thing, Oh, big time, I think it's that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Inhalance are very dangerous. Yeah, such a really culture
Speaker 1: number nine. Inhalence are very dangerous. What's her favorite drug
Speaker 1: to do?
Speaker 2: You know, if the brain could handle it. Anything that
Speaker 2: like gives me a little rush of poppers.
Speaker 1: You love poppers?
Speaker 2: I don't love poppers really, especially after hearing your journey
Speaker 2: with it, I'm like, I gotta avoid it.
Speaker 1: What's my journey with it?
Speaker 2: I don't want to you've talked about it.
Speaker 1: M hmm.
Speaker 2: Your journey with it is that it's present and that
Speaker 2: we I also reach for it. I used to reach
Speaker 2: for it too often during during masturbatory times, and it
Speaker 2: kind of it sets too much of a pattern that
Speaker 2: like you kind of need it as a crutch if
Speaker 2: you are if you happen to be with other people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is actually a thing I struggled with and
Speaker 1: I would love to hear. I guess thought about pop culture. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the thing about popper's culture is you do
Speaker 1: they are so useful, Yes, when you need them, and
Speaker 1: then but then they're they're so good when you do
Speaker 1: need them. You know, I often feel you need them
Speaker 1: during sex. Okay, let's have an LGBTQ podcast moment. When
Speaker 1: you are having receptive anal sex, you simply need the help. Sure,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it helps, But isn't it.
Speaker 2: Great when you don't it's so greatful when it's just like,
Speaker 2: oh they didn't even spit for that one.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Bowen, I think there is.
Speaker 2: I'm it's happened like once or twice in my life,
Speaker 2: like with Noor, where it's just like.
Speaker 1: There's nothing, let's just do it, you know, and then
Speaker 1: and then it works. It has happened to me too,
Speaker 1: now that I think about it, and it's true. It's
Speaker 1: like when you really want it, you don't need anything.
Speaker 1: Our guest is a icon.
Speaker 2: I am so happy that our guest is here. This
Speaker 2: is someone who I hesitate to call him like appear
Speaker 2: in our cohort or anything like that. But like we
Speaker 2: stood in line for the press line at the Critics Choice,
Speaker 2: yes we did, had a grand time. Yeah, and it
Speaker 2: was kind of just like a oh but oh, this
Speaker 2: this is someone who is so fucking good, very good,
Speaker 2: and like I just I'm like, oh my god, Like
Speaker 2: this is like I don't know what to do with myself,
Speaker 2: Like this is so cool. You were starstruck, was very starstruck.
Speaker 2: I was very starstruck. I still still am to this day.
Speaker 2: This one went to the met Gallon Christian.
Speaker 1: You know, Ariana, You're absolutely right, and it looks stunning, fantastic.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you have to talk about this. Oh
Speaker 2: we need to know about that.
Speaker 1: What I need to know about what it's like to
Speaker 1: be on the ground at the met gala. So we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about that for forty five minutes, yes,
Speaker 1: and then forty five minutes of poppers.
Speaker 2: And that's it, And that's it.
Speaker 1: You know him, you love him from what we do
Speaker 1: in the Shadows. Renewed for not just season five, which
Speaker 1: is coming this summer, but also season six.
Speaker 2: So we just want to blast that out for people
Speaker 2: because there seems to be confusion about when it's coming back.
Speaker 2: How many more seasons we're getting two more.
Speaker 1: We're hitting two more at least at least And this
Speaker 1: is one of the television's funniest programs, thank god for it.
Speaker 2: It's not a comedy that's like concerned with being particularly
Speaker 2: cool or sexier viby.
Speaker 1: No, it's saying I'm funny.
Speaker 2: It's saying we're all funny people. We're all adults here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, we're all adults here and we're all funny.
Speaker 1: So drop the bullshit and the drama. Drop the drama,
Speaker 1: drop the drama. Why don't people say that more comedy
Speaker 1: should be saying drop the drama, thank you. You know
Speaker 1: where I want the drama dropped?
Speaker 2: Where comedy comedies you're gonna name names?
Speaker 1: Because then I think there's another there's another fun way
Speaker 1: you could go like, oh my god, did you see
Speaker 1: they drop the drama? And that's good?
Speaker 2: Isn't awful that it does not work both ways? Where
Speaker 2: like if you have a drama like Succession and you go, well,
Speaker 2: that's the funniest show too, It's like, how does it
Speaker 2: happen to like it's easier to infuse comedy and drama
Speaker 2: than an to put drama in comedy.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that when writers are given the opportunity, yeah,
Speaker 1: to really do what they do and be creative, and
Speaker 1: when they're getting a fair deal, well we might see
Speaker 1: even more of that thank you. But I'm waiting and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my watch.
Speaker 2: The alliance more like the flop say that I'm a writer,
Speaker 2: I'm in the guilt.
Speaker 1: Okay. Puss in Boots, the Last Wish. Puss in Boots
Speaker 1: The Last Wish hademi Award nominated. And there's one thing
Speaker 1: we can now we announce that there's something we can't announce. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think so we can announce that there is something
Speaker 1: we cannot announce. This a major announcement. There is something
Speaker 1: we cannot.
Speaker 2: Announce that our guest is involved in that will be announced.
Speaker 2: That will be announced.
Speaker 1: We don't know when we're not.
Speaker 2: When it is announced.
Speaker 1: Trust Trust, you will be dealt with. You will be
Speaker 1: dealt with well, Ladies and gentlemen and non binary friends.
Speaker 1: Everyone out there, however you identify, Katie's readers, finalists, publicists,
Speaker 1: everyone out there. I want you all to stand up.
Speaker 1: Stand in the car. If you're listening to this in
Speaker 1: the car, stand up. Don't actually stay a dress.
Speaker 2: Well, I thought i'd try.
Speaker 1: Please, Welcome to your ears, Welcome to the Thunderdome. Thank
Speaker 1: you for that.
Speaker 3: Was that was probably the best introduction I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: Really really, it really was. It went through like everything
Speaker 1: and I poppers and and and and talking about shadows,
Speaker 1: and then it was great. Thoughts on poppers.
Speaker 3: I actually my boyfriend hates poppers.
Speaker 2: They're not involved and involved and I really don't like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like sometimes it could become like a crutch,
Speaker 4: Like it's like I don't particularly like run to poppers.
Speaker 4: But it does help, you know, in that moment and
Speaker 4: then so for me, I feel transpar It was like, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, it might help. And but since I'm with
Speaker 4: somebody that's like, I can't stand this. I can't stand it.
Speaker 4: He has this really funny story that you're gonna tell,
Speaker 4: you tell I'm sure he's finding in the past, like
Speaker 4: being with someone. And then the smell itself was so
Speaker 4: powerful that they were like I have to go, and
Speaker 4: oh oh oh they.
Speaker 3: Left like in the middle of wow, of the hook up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they were just like and then I was like, Wow,
Speaker 4: It's like imagine being that guy and just being like, oh,
Speaker 4: what happened and it's like, yeah, I have to go.
Speaker 1: No, real, God, that is kind of beautiful.
Speaker 3: I loved that he was honest about that. And I'm
Speaker 3: sure she wouldn't mind.
Speaker 2: No, sure, not at all.
Speaker 3: He said it in front of her, and so you
Speaker 3: said it in.
Speaker 1: Front of a crowd of thousands.
Speaker 2: But you know that thing of you take a whiff
Speaker 2: and you can feel like the little cubic centimeter of
Speaker 2: your brain dying. You can feel exactly where the gray
Speaker 2: matter is gone. You're never gonna get those cells back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: You're never gonna get those brain cells back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was even funny that, like the numbers for sales
Speaker 4: probably go through the roof, and no one's asking, like
Speaker 4: we don't have the HS tapes anywhere.
Speaker 1: Well, someone said to me, like I pitched the idea
Speaker 1: of using them with someone I hooked up with like
Speaker 1: six to seven months ago. And the guy was a
Speaker 1: little bit older, and he said, what is it the seventies? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: I was like it could drugs are bad?
Speaker 3: Was there VHS in the seventies?
Speaker 1: Was it eighties? I think that his reference was off,
Speaker 1: and also yeah, he overshot and he's like, what is
Speaker 1: it the seventies? And I was just like, oh, okay.
Speaker 2: And the Winchester wasn't around in the seventies or but
Speaker 2: nice trial.
Speaker 4: Two extremes, right, People are either for them and people
Speaker 4: are like what is this? And it's like that's really extreme,
Speaker 4: Like both sides are like they have their reasons.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to tell you guys who that was? Oh interesting?
Speaker 2: Should we leave that in? I didn't say that, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: but you can hear. You can hear a camera came.
Speaker 1: Just put just put over that. Oh my god, you
Speaker 1: know the cameras on camera right now? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, no, they're not live. Okay, Producer Becker confirms
Speaker 1: we're not being filmed. God, but in surveillance America. I
Speaker 1: don't think in a police state. I'm asking the question
Speaker 1: because I just said a B lister and I hooked up.
Speaker 2: Well, then that narrows it down.
Speaker 1: Oh you're getting raised. We can't protect it. And narrow
Speaker 1: went down to all the gay B listers. Who did
Speaker 1: Matt hook up with?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Now, well now I'm thinking, is that person B list?
Speaker 1: I think list is right? I don't. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't care for the letter. Don't like that, you don't
Speaker 1: like that? How do you identify? What do you identify as?
Speaker 3: He?
Speaker 1: Identify him? Lest him? Lest like the list thing is
Speaker 1: too funny because it is funny. I like, you know the.
Speaker 4: List, But it's also like people go up that list
Speaker 4: and down that list, And it would be really kind
Speaker 4: of weird to hear someone say give it up for Harvey, And.
Speaker 1: That would be weird because even though they've qualified you
Speaker 1: as being on the list at all, it's still is like, well,
Speaker 1: what would I have to do to move up on
Speaker 1: the list? And also she was I would argue that
Speaker 1: Kathy Griffin at least be lists.
Speaker 2: I think she was over correcting it and self aware,
Speaker 2: like it'll get a laugh.
Speaker 4: If it was a time where like that was so
Speaker 4: important to be that like letter. Remember there was a
Speaker 4: whole show like The A List New York. Like it
Speaker 4: was like they're all like, it's just like the idea
Speaker 4: of that, you.
Speaker 1: Know, do you want to know some tea? Yeah? The
Speaker 1: Real Friends of who was was named that later on.
Speaker 1: It was originally just a reboot of The A List.
Speaker 1: It was That's what I thought.
Speaker 3: I was like, it has a feeling like this is
Speaker 3: the West Coast version of what we saw.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then they they changed it to be like
Speaker 1: referencing the Housewives of it all. Sure story.
Speaker 4: I saw an episode of The A List years ago
Speaker 4: and that's how I found out that one of my
Speaker 4: exes was a go go dancer because they were featured
Speaker 4: on it featured that's so beautiful. But like after we
Speaker 4: had broken up and say friends, but they kept that
Speaker 4: part I guess not conversational and I was like, I
Speaker 4: think I saw you on an episode.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah in Fire Island. I was
Speaker 1: like yeah.
Speaker 3: It was like, yeah, that's end the summer, and I was.
Speaker 2: Like, oh cool, that is like that is like hallowed
Speaker 2: air though for him to be oh fire Island, Go
Speaker 2: Go dancer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's lucrative. That's six figures.
Speaker 3: That's what he said, that they would go for the
Speaker 3: summer and you don't have to work the rest of
Speaker 3: the year.
Speaker 2: Oh my Tomas would go to Pines party and they
Speaker 2: would just like dance and they'd be like, look, I
Speaker 2: like I made like made I made run. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also like I was always inspired by I feel like
Speaker 1: I go back every year and you see sort of
Speaker 1: the same people working. You do get the sense that
Speaker 1: it's like a great place to work if you can
Speaker 1: withstand that times culture.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't come back if it wasn't like, you wouldn't
Speaker 3: put it.
Speaker 2: It's one or two nights, you know, one night at
Speaker 2: the big party and then a couple of nights at
Speaker 2: like pavilion or whatever, and you're like, okay, I'm done.
Speaker 1: I made my check.
Speaker 2: But okay, but let's be damned. All that matters for
Speaker 2: you is that you went to the medala.
Speaker 1: That's pretty a less behavior.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was surreal, Like I was literally talking to
Speaker 4: Donna Talla No just you know, you know my brothers
Speaker 4: was less friends with Carl and she said that and
Speaker 4: I was like, listen the idea of this and like,
Speaker 4: Penelope cruise and I'm a big sucker fractions, So yeah,
Speaker 4: with an accident.
Speaker 3: I was just like, it's probably because knowing his legacy
Speaker 3: is It's just.
Speaker 1: Like, wow, that's good.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: My favorite Penelope moment. Is has anyone ever fainted up here?
Speaker 1: Because I might be the first I heard she's a chatterbox. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was like lovely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just like really and she was wearing
Speaker 3: this beautiful vintage I think it was.
Speaker 1: She's so gorgeous, gorgeous.
Speaker 4: It was gorgeous and everyone looked amazing, and I was
Speaker 4: just like it was kind of like weird because the
Speaker 4: carpet itself is not it's just the steps of the may.
Speaker 4: When you watch her on TV, it looks like it
Speaker 4: goes on yeah, and then you're there, You're like, oh,
Speaker 4: there is and then it's like, oh, people take their time,
Speaker 4: So some people will go up, and some celebrities would
Speaker 4: go up and then they be like go down again
Speaker 4: because you're going to the media on one side, and
Speaker 4: then you go up and you're like and then some
Speaker 4: people would just go up and not say anything, and
Speaker 4: they would just go in and then leave, I guess,
Speaker 4: but it was not that big.
Speaker 1: It's not that big. And then what's the experience of
Speaker 1: the dinner.
Speaker 3: I mean I was there with E like as a celebrity.
Speaker 1: Guess.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, So like I had to walk the
Speaker 4: carpet and then I had to actually do like Chloe
Speaker 4: and I was doing E and so we didly go
Speaker 4: in and said, so I didn't I had to stay
Speaker 4: into like the end, which was my hat goes off
Speaker 4: to like everyone.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I had to stay there and they were waiting for
Speaker 4: Rihanna showing up, and I was just like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's like.
Speaker 3: Last year she was two hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 4: The makell only goes into like nine thirty, I guess,
Speaker 4: And it's like it's going from like six to nine thirty.
Speaker 1: And then the thing is like all the after parties
Speaker 1: that go on. Yeah, so I want to go to
Speaker 1: the after party.
Speaker 4: So I was like, let's wrap it up, and so
Speaker 4: Jenoe Mane was doing an after party standard and then
Speaker 4: that's where it was like Lizza was.
Speaker 2: There and like everyone, Yeah that booboom one looked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was fun, but you're exhausted, like by the
Speaker 4: end of the day because you started your day like
Speaker 4: at ten a m.
Speaker 3: And you got hair, makeup and that thing is probably.
Speaker 1: A lot of adrenaline too, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you're like, oh God, it's exciting. Yeah, it's exciting.
Speaker 3: Like the photo shoot had a photo shoot for Christians.
Speaker 4: Arehanno designed it and it was gorgeous, gorgeous, and I
Speaker 4: was just really proud to like wear that giant gown
Speaker 4: and stuff.
Speaker 3: But it was heavy, you know.
Speaker 2: That shade of pink was so good.
Speaker 1: I love it. It was dusty.
Speaker 2: How do you describe it. It's like I don't already know.
Speaker 3: It's like powder pink.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: And it was like that tweet kind of a wing
Speaker 4: to like you know the eighties and Carls had been
Speaker 4: and so like it was both masculine and feminine, Like
Speaker 4: it was just like everything was gorgeous.
Speaker 2: I love that you went with color, and I mean
Speaker 2: black and white. Of course it's it's Chanelle, it's Karl.
Speaker 2: But it's like I love that you went with a
Speaker 2: color choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I went with pink just a little. I
Speaker 1: love that you were like, how would you just grab
Speaker 1: that dusty like and what if he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wore this dusty gown. No, no, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yes, you know what you're saying. But just
Speaker 1: like thinking about the pole code of like this dusty Well,
Speaker 1: you know it.
Speaker 4: Was because the night was out, you know, honoring Carl
Speaker 4: and like the hated pink, yeah, or pink because there
Speaker 4: was you.
Speaker 1: Know, we keep the space queer, yeah, and like you know,
Speaker 1: we honored the work that he did.
Speaker 4: Obviously, sometimes it's different to like, you know, separate the
Speaker 4: beliefs that cose so like he was also you know,
Speaker 4: he didn't care for people with curves, and he hated
Speaker 4: the color pink.
Speaker 1: And there was a lot of things.
Speaker 4: So I wanted to encompass all that and show you
Speaker 4: that you could make the best dress list in pink
Speaker 4: plus size.
Speaker 1: There you go. Perfect. I love that you stuck it
Speaker 1: to him a little bit. I was speaking truth to power.
Speaker 3: I wanted to show you that it's doable, because for
Speaker 3: so long it was said that it wasn't.
Speaker 2: It's like when a queen on drag Race shows up
Speaker 2: in green and Michelle's.
Speaker 1: Like, ah, she's really too much about the Greens.
Speaker 3: It's like she hates she hates love.
Speaker 1: Michelle and I guess we haven't even talked on this
Speaker 1: podcast and can be transparent about it now because I
Speaker 1: think the episode will have come out. Oh yeah, that
Speaker 1: we did the show so fun. We were guests on
Speaker 1: this season of All Stars and you were last.
Speaker 4: Seasons season Yeah, which episode wins come back yet challenge?
Speaker 1: Fun, which I mean like from day one, I was like.
Speaker 4: I was gonna yeah, yeah, like I knew, and she's
Speaker 4: in l a girl, you know. So I was like,
Speaker 4: and I saw her at the after party for the Macallan.
Speaker 1: Yes, I saw the picture.
Speaker 4: It was there, and like I think I was already
Speaker 4: like tipsy and I was like, oh my gods, gots
Speaker 4: because that's how it sound.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think like one glass of like French seventy five
Speaker 3: or something I don't do, and then you.
Speaker 1: Don't eat a rag. Yeah, you know, you ran a
Speaker 1: Ronald day and then the first thing you do is
Speaker 1: have a glass of champagne. You're like, oh, maybe not
Speaker 1: the best. It went right into the head. Yeah. Poppers,
Speaker 1: yeah right, exactly, a Gali version of poppers that's actually
Speaker 1: a real culture. Number ninety nine a Friendship five is
Speaker 1: the met gall version of Poppers. So they shot All
Speaker 1: Stars season eight, which is the one that we did
Speaker 1: after this season that you fifteen, and there was even
Speaker 1: like whispers. I don't know if it was confirmed that
Speaker 1: Sasha Colby was on, but like I think it was
Speaker 1: like maybe someone that knew. I think it wasn't a
Speaker 1: well kept secret that was going to be on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then like there were sort of like little winks
Speaker 1: and nudges that she had done really well, not necessarily
Speaker 1: on set. I don't remember where I heard this, but
Speaker 1: I had heard somehow that Sasha Colby was there and
Speaker 1: like destroy it.
Speaker 4: It's inevitable, like from the get go, like you're like,
Speaker 4: you can't. I mean, we have that much talent, you know,
Speaker 4: just oozing out if you're like this is there's no competition.
Speaker 1: She was the only winner. Yeah, it's only a handful
Speaker 1: of queens.
Speaker 4: You could look back at, you know, the whole trajectory
Speaker 4: of drag Race and say, yep, we knew from the gut,
Speaker 4: you know, like yeah, totally, like you know, Queen Ira
Speaker 4: Queen from the get go, like you were like, yes that,
Speaker 4: my focus is always on you, Simon.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So like there's always a handful of queens that happens totally.
Speaker 1: Sasha's thing is like she is past, present, future of
Speaker 1: drag absolutely well. She it's so funny that like the
Speaker 1: year of Mother. Yeah, and then Sasha Colby wins drag
Speaker 1: Race and also not for nothing, but like, and she's
Speaker 1: talked about this, but in this moment where there's such
Speaker 1: like obvious and widespread attacks on trans people, like I
Speaker 1: think she said in an interview, like it was definitely
Speaker 1: my time. I somehow knew in my spirit this would
Speaker 1: be my time to do this, and now is my reign,
Speaker 1: and like everyone can look to me as an example
Speaker 1: of like a confident, happy trans woman who's like excellent
Speaker 1: and the best at what she does. And yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's really feels good. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4: But they moved from Hawaii to LA to do drag Race,
Speaker 4: and at the time it wasn't something that was accepted
Speaker 4: like it was like right, it was still one was
Speaker 4: and so it was a different requirement to be on
Speaker 4: drag Race, and they couldn't get on drag Race years ago.
Speaker 4: That's and that could be wrong, but that's the story
Speaker 4: that I heard interesting, which would be even more powerful totally.
Speaker 3: They kept at it and they kept fighting, and now
Speaker 3: they are the queen.
Speaker 4: They are Yeah, and we are looking at them, and
Speaker 4: you know, tons of trans kits across the world are
Speaker 4: looking at them.
Speaker 3: It's just like inspiration and.
Speaker 1: The third trans winner in a row. It's true.
Speaker 2: What I appreciate about Drag Race so much is that
Speaker 2: it is like it has adapted very well, I think.
Speaker 2: I mean, there have been these like starts and stuffs,
Speaker 2: but like, what I love about the show is that
Speaker 2: like season fifteen feels nothing like season ten, which felt
Speaker 2: nothing like season five. You know, it's still fresh, like
Speaker 2: it moves along with the culture. I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, credit where it's due for sure. Yep. I
Speaker 1: mean like there was a lot of growth. And also
Speaker 1: the set is a very fun.
Speaker 2: Everyone is great. Everyone who works there is wonderful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a great experience. I had a great experience.
Speaker 1: I love anywhere where I can ride around in a
Speaker 1: golf cart.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fun, you know, I love That's That's one of
Speaker 4: the things when I'll little, like thinking what it would
Speaker 4: be like to be an actors, you always see like
Speaker 4: the backstage, Yeah, like oh my gosh, getting to go.
Speaker 1: Like you know, Warner Brothers apparently a lot. Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1: I have lunch on the lot. It's just like that
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite things. You get to go on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's like production for Shadows? Like how much is
Speaker 2: it on the casion?
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 2: Like? What's your time to like prep?
Speaker 4: And well the first season they wouldn't give us the
Speaker 4: scripts ahead of time. Really they were really secretive, even
Speaker 4: to the actors because I think for the movie they
Speaker 4: kept it such a secret from the actors that they
Speaker 4: would get to set and they give them like three
Speaker 4: lines and they're like, you go, and then they didn't
Speaker 4: know the story. So the actors didn't know where the
Speaker 4: story was going. You just get to set. You know,
Speaker 4: you're working ninety days and that every day you show
Speaker 4: up to give you so is it like a thing?
Speaker 4: I think that and I think and that could be wrong,
Speaker 4: but that was what I was told that that was there.
Speaker 3: You know what they did.
Speaker 4: But on set the first season, since I'm the only human,
Speaker 4: I wanted to sprinkle like the trajectory of like an
Speaker 4: emotional arlier you have and it was hard because the
Speaker 4: vampires can wrap it up in one episode. Like they
Speaker 4: learned how to use the internet, or they think there's
Speaker 4: a curse, so they wrap it up in a nice boat.
Speaker 4: But for are like inclered in especially with a cross shoot.
Speaker 4: So that means in one day I would shoot a
Speaker 4: little bit of episode one oh two in the morning,
Speaker 4: a little bit of one oh five, and a little
Speaker 4: bit of the finale in one day.
Speaker 3: So then but I didn't know the story in the middle.
Speaker 4: So then I'd be like, wait, so we'll be shooting
Speaker 4: like an episode later in the season and he's a tackle,
Speaker 4: would be directing. He's like, hey, okay, have it get
Speaker 4: in the car and you're terrified, And I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: but where am I terrified? Oh yeah, I can't tell you.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: I was like, you can't tell me, Like that was
Speaker 4: the jokes that you couldn't tell me what just happened.
Speaker 4: But I'm covered in blood and they're like, yeah, we can't.
Speaker 1: Just just just go with it.
Speaker 3: Just you're terrified.
Speaker 1: Now, maybe the fact that you didn't know helps, like
Speaker 1: with the gearmonness of it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: put upon.
Speaker 4: This of it, And like I think it did because
Speaker 4: looking back, when I look at the first season, I
Speaker 4: look terrified all the time, and I didn't know what
Speaker 4: the fuck was going on.
Speaker 2: But I would say Gearbo out of all the characters
Speaker 2: at all the principles, like, it has the big trajectory.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 4: I think it became like after the first season. I
Speaker 4: didn't know he was a vent Heal's until table read
Speaker 4: the day before we started film. Huh, And so I
Speaker 4: got the script.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, what's happening that? Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: doing it.
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, man, but it's actually good
Speaker 4: that I didn't know, because then my vision would have
Speaker 4: been fogged. I would have been like, I better sprinkle
Speaker 4: this in because he's a van healthy Yeah. So it
Speaker 4: was actually perfect. But then after that we take the
Speaker 4: scraps and we get a little bit of like, you know,
Speaker 4: time with them, and because now we have to crosshoot
Speaker 4: so quickly. Yeah, and so it's like we don't have
Speaker 4: time to be like, oh, you got to prepare for that,
Speaker 4: like mental total total.
Speaker 3: It's a comedy thing that they were.
Speaker 1: In a comedy, but Giermo's the only one who has
Speaker 1: like to carry like the grounded heart of it. You know.
Speaker 4: It was just kind of tough because it's like these
Speaker 4: guys are so funny and like him being so like
Speaker 4: submissive and quiet and like not having to ever go
Speaker 4: to their levels, like you still by thought, like they
Speaker 4: yelling all the time, they're flying, they're fucking, and Giermo
Speaker 4: has to be like completely contained in.
Speaker 3: Keeping after his goals and wishes.
Speaker 2: I mean, your performance is so controlled and it's so good,
Speaker 2: it's so excellent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so hard. It's hard.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure, because like is there like what's the
Speaker 2: challenging part of the process there.
Speaker 1: I think the.
Speaker 4: Challenging part is that it has to be grounded all
Speaker 4: the time, and so I want to be like the
Speaker 4: vampires are I mean, because if I was at that
Speaker 4: level of comedy, then it would be like a farce.
Speaker 4: This would be like a farce over the time and
Speaker 4: everything because they're vampires, so they're living their lives at
Speaker 4: their level. I'm a human and so being the only
Speaker 4: human in the show has to be real and the
Speaker 4: comedy has to be from watching me be like we
Speaker 4: relate to the ederal because we're all animals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's happening in the world that were the usual.
Speaker 4: Yes, Like if I ever teeter one side and it
Speaker 4: becomes two is like I don't believe it. This is
Speaker 4: this is stupid, you know, and so it's hard to
Speaker 4: like it's Stephie Robinson, one of our EPs was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: he's walking like a tight rope.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's yea to balance it because if you teetered one
Speaker 1: or the other, it doesn't make the show believable. That
Speaker 1: is a hard thing.
Speaker 2: It's very hard because I have been in things where
Speaker 2: I get very self conscious about being being like the
Speaker 2: grounded person and being like, oh, I'm not really driving
Speaker 2: the last here, like am I doing something wrong?
Speaker 1: Or it's just harder to gauge what it's going to
Speaker 1: look like or how I did until it comes out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because as a comedian, like it's like I have
Speaker 3: to deliver the joke.
Speaker 4: But sometimes the best comedy just comes from just every day,
Speaker 4: you know, interact with humans and it's like being grounded
Speaker 4: and it's like.
Speaker 1: No, definitely it's a funny part, you know, but it's
Speaker 1: hard to know. I mean we talk about this sometimes,
Speaker 1: like especially with actors that seem to really know how
Speaker 1: to do this like intrinsically, but when you're when you
Speaker 1: come from live comedy and when you come from like
Speaker 1: a comedy background and then understanding like how to act
Speaker 1: like a human quote unquote on camera because I don't
Speaker 1: know about you guys, but I mean I think we're
Speaker 1: all like expressive people. Yeah, and the way that I
Speaker 1: would express myself in real life. If I ever do
Speaker 1: that on camera, I know it looks yeah yeahah.
Speaker 4: And I used to have it, like, used to have
Speaker 4: like direction when I first started, because I started acting
Speaker 4: musical theater and so when I first started was like
Speaker 4: sang out to the back round blah bah blah, it's
Speaker 4: bigger than life. And started being on set and like
Speaker 4: always being given the note by directors bring it down, yeah,
Speaker 4: bring it down, bring it down, because.
Speaker 3: I was like, what do you mean bring it down?
Speaker 1: Singing down? So it's like bring it down.
Speaker 4: So like where I find myself doing some of my
Speaker 4: best work is doing a character that if you asked me,
Speaker 4: like ten years ago, you're gonna be doing this grounded
Speaker 4: character that's still funny but it has heart and is grounded,
Speaker 4: would have been like that sounds ridiculous, you know, Like
Speaker 4: but yeah, and just like the fact that I'm doing that,
Speaker 4: that's what's so hard because I'm so not used to that.
Speaker 4: So I'm used to like being the big one and
Speaker 4: like being the loud one and doing has been completely
Speaker 4: the opposite of what I've trained my whole life.
Speaker 2: But now you know you can do both or like
Speaker 2: operate like from whatever end of the spectrum. But the
Speaker 2: wonderful thing about Kiamo is that like there are no
Speaker 2: sacrifice to last necessarily, like I think Garama has one
Speaker 2: of my favorite jokes in the whole show, which is
Speaker 2: I don't kiss and tell, but what I can tell
Speaker 2: you is I don't cass like I like, what.
Speaker 1: A great that was improvised, really, Harvey.
Speaker 4: So the final part that you see is like we
Speaker 4: already have the most amazing right of course amazing, and
Speaker 4: we always do the scripted version, we do a little
Speaker 4: bit of notes from upstairs, and then after that so
Speaker 4: we call the Funzies, and the Funzies is which just
Speaker 4: for funies.
Speaker 3: And when Taka was there the first season and he's a.
Speaker 1: List you went for fun that's one for fun.
Speaker 4: It's so fun And I was like funsies because we
Speaker 4: called it another set and he goes what and I
Speaker 4: was like Funzies and he's like, okay, Funzies. And from
Speaker 4: there on we call it, but we always do Funzies
Speaker 4: and at the end of the day when we see
Speaker 4: the Finder product half his Funzies and half.
Speaker 1: A script o fun Are you? Were you a fan
Speaker 1: before I was?
Speaker 4: And I'm glad that, Like weird enough, I hadn't seen
Speaker 4: the movie when I got the audition, I actually went
Speaker 4: it was weird. I went to One and Cheese night
Speaker 4: at my friend's house, Mimi. She lives out here in
Speaker 4: New York now, but she was in LA with her newborn,
Speaker 4: showing up for baby to her family and friends. And
Speaker 4: I went to One and Cheese at the last minute,
Speaker 4: and I met a girl there who texted me the
Speaker 4: next day and she said, Hey, you're so fucking funny.
Speaker 4: Shout out to sh my fiance's new show. And I
Speaker 4: was like, I don't do those kind of films anymore.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: They were engaged to Gary Bash was a producer and
Speaker 4: later so I was like, sure, I'll buy it. Well,
Speaker 4: who's a castader Alison Jones? Why And I've never gotten
Speaker 4: because my invitation only, And I was like, I've never
Speaker 4: gotten to her office.
Speaker 3: I was like, this would be a great way.
Speaker 1: And she's so cool. A breakthrough break through. Yeah, here's
Speaker 1: the thing.
Speaker 4: It was because of a friend that I met her
Speaker 4: friend who's fiance. I was like totally, like, you know,
Speaker 4: nepo baby. I was just I was like, they know
Speaker 4: each other whatever. And so I was like, I'll take it,
Speaker 4: you know, because the character was twenty five years older than.
Speaker 2: I am, and so I was like, oh, that's right.
Speaker 2: They did not write him as like.
Speaker 4: And then I was like, he's been familiar for like
Speaker 4: several decades because he's like times running out and that's
Speaker 4: the desperation of gim you could also be desperate at
Speaker 4: ten years of you know, of service.
Speaker 1: And so I was like, damn it.
Speaker 3: And I was like fuck, and I was like, what
Speaker 3: do I do? Okay, I'll just have to like I
Speaker 3: never do this, like dress up for the character.
Speaker 1: Oh you did.
Speaker 4: I was like, I have to make myself look older.
Speaker 4: I didn't write it in these stubles. So I literally
Speaker 4: put like a little bit of a little wow, and
Speaker 4: then I put these Harry Potter glasses. I popped out
Speaker 4: the lenses. I never dress up for regular, but I
Speaker 4: was like, I have to just make an impression on Alison.
Speaker 4: And I didn't know anymals except for like, I was
Speaker 4: in my writing partner's house and she had a like
Speaker 4: horror book on and I had a like illustration of
Speaker 4: Giro on the back with his glasses and his hair
Speaker 4: was part in the middle with curls. Wow, and I
Speaker 4: was like, I'll do my hair like that. I'm like
Speaker 4: insane at this point. I was like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: like stand out right.
Speaker 3: I wear this long sleeve this brown nasty sweater vest
Speaker 3: and I was like, no one on TV would.
Speaker 1: Ever look like this.
Speaker 2: And then you created gear more.
Speaker 4: And then I went to the audition and it was
Speaker 4: all those moments you know as an actor, like when
Speaker 4: you go an audition, sometimes you walk there like I
Speaker 4: don't I hope I did okay, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: And so I went to the audition and I was
Speaker 4: here to see Alison. I was so excited and I
Speaker 4: was like, I'm here to see Alison. Al dress steps
Speaker 4: like she's not here and I was like no, No.
Speaker 4: I met a girl at a party and she told me.
Speaker 4: He's like, no, we know, we've been waiting for you.
Speaker 1: I've met a girl.
Speaker 3: Yeah she's not here, she's in London audition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are the assistance and this is what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so here you go. Microphone on my collar and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, is she going to see it?
Speaker 3: I sh'll see it in London. She has time.
Speaker 1: And I was just like like did not hear?
Speaker 4: And I was like I was like okay, well fuck it,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna do it. And I remember doing it
Speaker 4: and at the end looking up at Ben Casting associating
Speaker 4: so Harvey and I go, yeah.
Speaker 1: You're going to Hollywood or something. Yeah, but he goes
Speaker 1: the microphone.
Speaker 3: We're done.
Speaker 4: The microphone and I was like thank you. And then
Speaker 4: I walked out and I was like, I don't know
Speaker 4: what I did. My agent calls like what did you do?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 4: An hour later they called. I showed to Allison Taka Jamaine.
Speaker 4: Everyone had agreed to test me FX. They'd all seen
Speaker 4: the video and they were like, you're the wildcard though,
Speaker 4: because you're too young.
Speaker 1: For the WOW. And I made a career of being
Speaker 1: the wildcard. Like every role that I can look back at,
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I know, are we all used to that? I used
Speaker 2: to be like, you're not the first, You're not the first.
Speaker 4: And I made a career out of it, Like I
Speaker 4: was like every major role I've gone was not for me.
Speaker 4: It was not written for me on paper, it wasn't
Speaker 4: supposed to me. And I went in there as a wildcard.
Speaker 1: I was like how about this?
Speaker 3: And then yeah, I guess and then they like it
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 4: So I was a wildcard and I was like I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go and I'm just gonna at least get to
Speaker 4: me Allison.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So weeks go by and I'm not testing. It's Martin
Speaker 4: Luking weekend on a Sunday and they start production on Tuesday.
Speaker 4: Oh shit, and I haven't heard anything. And I was like,
Speaker 4: I didn't get it whatever, and so this number kept
Speaker 4: calling me. Eventually I pick it up and it's like, hey,
Speaker 4: is this hobby And I was like yeah, hey, it's
Speaker 4: talking Jamaine. I was like hey, it's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm testing for you. It's like, no, you're not testing, mate,
Speaker 4: And I was just like, think you for the opportunity.
Speaker 4: I wish you know the best, like thinking that we're
Speaker 4: gonna be like oh, they're like so much went other
Speaker 4: way whatever, Like it was like we'll see on set
Speaker 4: and that's how I booked it. And I was like
Speaker 4: with my sister and this moment.
Speaker 1: Was there supposed to be a test, and they just
Speaker 1: decided never mind.
Speaker 3: It was the first time they had voted to test someone.
Speaker 4: Everyone else was split, like forty sixty blah blah with
Speaker 4: the other actors.
Speaker 1: Why don't even do this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, why are we testing him? It's the first time
Speaker 4: we all agreed that we like somebody love that. That's
Speaker 4: so That's how I got it.
Speaker 1: Damn we love it.
Speaker 2: That's like a cinematic sort of.
Speaker 1: It's a Cinderella.
Speaker 4: I was Hillard, you weren' Hillard off? Yeah, is she
Speaker 4: your favorite Cinderella? That's she came to it was, But
Speaker 4: also Brandy, Oh that's the answer. And then yeah, So
Speaker 4: it was just one of those moments where and then
Speaker 4: we shoot something that's really good. Sometimes you feel like
Speaker 4: this isn't gonna go because the thing.
Speaker 1: And so I made the pilot and.
Speaker 4: I was like, fuck, this is really good. I really
Speaker 4: hope and if it doesn't, it's okay. I'll have the footage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my reel. And then we picked up and now
Speaker 1: we're going to season six. That's so cool. It's almost
Speaker 1: better though, to have that experience you have with auditioning
Speaker 1: where they give you nothing, because then you can just
Speaker 1: go about your life like I've left auditions and had
Speaker 1: them be like that was great. The feedbacks go, you're
Speaker 1: even told you're being heavily considered. You don't get it,
Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh god. But it also it's like,
Speaker 1: I think everyone in the world likes positive feedback and
Speaker 1: to feel like you did a good job, but then
Speaker 1: there's those disappointing moments, which is just the entire business.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I've had the opposite of that too, where
Speaker 4: like I went in there, I know they liked it,
Speaker 4: and I didn't get the role. Like I go in
Speaker 4: there and like I remember, I just feel like Sean
Speaker 4: Levy and he was on the floor laughing about this character.
Speaker 3: But the character was not right for me. Like I
Speaker 3: knew it on paper.
Speaker 4: I knew that I knew exactly who they're looking at
Speaker 4: for other actors and stuff. It wouldn't work with me,
Speaker 4: And I knew that they wouldn't work with me. But
Speaker 4: I can give you my best version of this, Yeah,
Speaker 4: And I give him his version and then I was
Speaker 4: like it's not I'm not going to get it, but
Speaker 4: he was on the floor laughing, walked out, And then
Speaker 4: two weeks later they called and.
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, he wrote apart for you.
Speaker 4: There you go, you know, and it's like, so my
Speaker 4: goal is to obviously you want to get the gig
Speaker 4: and you want to get the job, but to win
Speaker 4: the room impressed.
Speaker 3: In general, you want to win the room, and so
Speaker 3: if you win the room, you'll always work.
Speaker 4: And sometimes casting directors are like I would have those
Speaker 4: moments and it's like, Harvey, you're gonna do that, you
Speaker 4: got it?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, is it really?
Speaker 4: Like I know it's not official, but like I mean,
Speaker 4: I hate and they say stuff like that, and then
Speaker 4: I go home with this like chip on my shoulder,
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, I think I got and
Speaker 4: then no, call nothing, and then eventually it was like
Speaker 4: we do She said no, no, can you check again?
Speaker 1: Your agents have to go check. And then they're like Harvey,
Speaker 1: she said no, and I was like no, and then
Speaker 1: they're like, Harvey, it never happened. You never auditioned, doesn't exist,
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 1: It was you walking around a Dell taco and I
Speaker 1: went and I thought I slay it, and then I
Speaker 1: found out it never happened. That would be a thriller.
Speaker 1: That would be an amazing thriller. That three of us
Speaker 1: are going to start. Yeah, we all go out for
Speaker 1: the same part and get amazing feedback, and then we
Speaker 1: find out that none of us. It's a psychological thriller.
Speaker 1: I love directory Christopher Nolan.
Speaker 2: Christopher Nolan start production in the phone. Did you get
Speaker 2: shoot shadows in La Toronto?
Speaker 1: That's right there.
Speaker 4: So we shot the pilot in l A and I
Speaker 4: was so happy because from La born and raised. I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, this would be great because every gig
Speaker 4: I've been getting before that would be taking me out
Speaker 4: like Atlanta, New York, which I love, but it's also
Speaker 4: I missed my family and friends, and so I was like,
Speaker 4: this would be perfect, perfect. So we get picked up.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my gosh, it got picked up. It's like, yes,
Speaker 4: here's the capyat. It's like in Toronto, I was like,
Speaker 4: how much out of the year are you shooting? When
Speaker 4: you're shooting? So our first season we moved really quick.
Speaker 4: We shot ten episodes in nine weeks.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's insane, that's completely It's like and we.
Speaker 4: Felt it like we shot ten episodes in nine weeks
Speaker 4: because of everyone's scared.
Speaker 1: You're like, what's going on?
Speaker 4: So by the end we wrapped Christmas Eve, and you
Speaker 4: worked with Thanksgiving because in Canada it's not a holiday.
Speaker 4: So they're like, we're working and we're like and so
Speaker 4: you FaceTime your family like it was like my first
Speaker 4: things Giving not I at home, you know, it's like
Speaker 4: everyone yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's just like I feels
Speaker 4: so whatever we're doing work, we're being creative. But we
Speaker 4: were tired, Like the first season, we were like exhausted.
Speaker 4: And after that, I think they caught on the like
Speaker 4: maybe gave you like an extra couple of weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so they give us an next couple of weeks, and
Speaker 4: then the pandemic happens, so they give us an extra,
Speaker 4: like a month extra, and so now we shoot the
Speaker 4: whole show in like three and a half months.
Speaker 1: Three and a half months. Yeah, so three and a
Speaker 1: half months in Toronto. And do you like Toronto? Toronto?
Speaker 1: I've become a really big Torontonian, you know, yes, And
Speaker 1: it's cute. It's cute.
Speaker 4: I like it, and I built yeah yeah, and all
Speaker 4: the summer is beautiful. They really go to the island.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't get to make it out to that.
Speaker 1: I was only it for ten days, but but I
Speaker 1: definitely like went to like some of the spots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I went to some restaurant of the village. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I went to the village. So you make your own
Speaker 1: little community there, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of fun because when I go back Toronto,
Speaker 4: shout out to my Toronto friends, like it's.
Speaker 1: Like you make your own community, you go to dinner
Speaker 1: with your friends. Yeah, and I bit there.
Speaker 3: You know five, it's half a decade.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, yeah that's wow.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's like half of my you know, decade
Speaker 4: was there. So like I made friends and from season
Speaker 4: one to season now, like I know their birthdays. We
Speaker 4: go this nice to have a family and rarity too.
Speaker 4: Now I used to have a show go for that long,
Speaker 4: you know, I was. I was just gonna say, I
Speaker 4: was like six is like yeah, unheard of, big number.
Speaker 1: Yeah it wasn't, you know.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I love Toronto and I lived in the
Speaker 4: summer during the pandemic. It was tough because they had
Speaker 4: no ins and outs because Canada was really like we
Speaker 4: were protecting our own, which makes sense, and so when
Speaker 4: we got there, we didn't kind of know that. So
Speaker 4: when I got there and shot season three, they're like Okay,
Speaker 4: so if you leave, you can't come back.
Speaker 1: In like, oh your next season. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh what.
Speaker 4: And then I booked Reacher on Amazon and season one
Speaker 4: and they shot in Toronto. So I went straight from
Speaker 4: Shadows to season one of Reacher.
Speaker 2: Season four Shadows.
Speaker 1: Ten months.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, So that was a whole year in Toronto.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna generalize and say that Toronto has some of
Speaker 2: the hottest queer people.
Speaker 1: Second, yeah, absolutely, and great food, like great food, fantastic.
Speaker 2: It's like hot, gorgeousqueer people who are like not super
Speaker 2: pretentious about like no, and.
Speaker 1: They don't know how gorgeous.
Speaker 4: The well everyonelways compares Toronto to a smaller, cleaner version
Speaker 4: of New York. Yes, where it's like a tiny version
Speaker 4: of it, you know. I feel like there's so nice
Speaker 4: in Toronto that just really plate.
Speaker 2: We did meet the rudest person in the world in Toronto. Wait,
Speaker 2: when we went for the Sketch Festival there me you,
Speaker 2: Rachel Ninski, I think Amanda Scheckman all went to some
Speaker 2: brunch place near the hotel, Yes, and it was a
Speaker 2: line of Drake. It was not the Drake, but it
Speaker 2: was some nondescript brunch place like by where we were staying.
Speaker 2: There was a line outside, and then I was like,
Speaker 2: I took it upon myself. I turned around to the
Speaker 2: group and I go, I'm gonna go in and just
Speaker 2: ask the host, like how long the wait is because
Speaker 2: there's a line. So then I walk up to the
Speaker 2: door and I opened the door, and then some fucking
Speaker 2: asshole in a fedora next to like his mistress whatever
Speaker 2: next to his mistress goes, hey, what do you think
Speaker 2: you're doing? And I was like, I'm going inside to
Speaker 2: ask how long.
Speaker 1: The wait is.
Speaker 2: And he goes, oh, that's interesting because I don't know
Speaker 2: where you come from, but here we wait in line.
Speaker 1: Okay, so not even rude.
Speaker 2: That feels like it was whatever because he was driven
Speaker 2: to me and Rachel, so is Rachel and I going in,
Speaker 2: and then Rachel Wininsky was basically like, thank you so much,
Speaker 2: You've been so helpful. And then we walked inside and
Speaker 2: now it's how long the wait was? And then guess what,
Speaker 2: we got seated within like ten minutes. But then he
Speaker 2: was literally at the window. This fucking scumbag sticks out
Speaker 2: to me. It's like the rudest, worst person ever, sounds
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, yeah, very Disney villain.
Speaker 1: That is horrible.
Speaker 2: Isn't that awful?
Speaker 1: But maybe he was visiting.
Speaker 2: Doesn't on it?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: It's like that episode in Sex and the City when
Speaker 4: that's scrunchy ladies in line and like he's like, see,
Speaker 4: I wrote a growth. She's from New York, so he's like, man,
Speaker 4: where are you from? I'm visiting texts. That's what it was,
Speaker 4: and that's what person.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, wait that's burger culture culture. Yeah, god, burger.
Speaker 1: This guy was giving burger, but like worse.
Speaker 2: He was, is it?
Speaker 1: I almost can stand behind that.
Speaker 2: That doesn't sound like yeah, that was not me saying like,
Speaker 2: noskeep I'm just saying it's the sight of one of
Speaker 2: the most gregious moments of rudeness.
Speaker 3: Was you said Fedora just didn't sing?
Speaker 2: Ye?
Speaker 1: Was he actually wearing a for door?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: And I just keep a vision like a long like
Speaker 1: he was wearing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, there may or may not have been.
Speaker 1: In fact, he was.
Speaker 2: He was wearing like the shittiest hat I've ever seen
Speaker 2: in my life. No, I don't like terrible, So.
Speaker 1: You should have just been like, you know, you're sure
Speaker 1: like ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna do that next time someone's hed to me,
Speaker 2: will you look fucking stupid?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care. How long is going to be
Speaker 1: at Wendy's. Well you stupid? Oh my god, I'm the
Speaker 1: I see. The thing is like, I don't consider myself
Speaker 1: a confrontational person all until you put but in this
Speaker 1: situation like that, I would. It would be hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because there's so many like things and thoughts going through
Speaker 1: your heam like, whoa, what you know? Like what you
Speaker 1: said that.
Speaker 3: I was like, it sounds targeted, It sounds kind of racing.
Speaker 1: It's because I know that they were pointing it at
Speaker 1: you and Rachel. I don't think they used the words.
Speaker 1: I don't know where you came from. If it's like
Speaker 1: that me totally very triggering, fully like walloped me.
Speaker 2: But I was just like, oh, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was along with the rest of like like the
Speaker 1: energy was just like yeah, whenever someone is being really rude,
Speaker 1: I feel like I never reacted the moment because it
Speaker 1: filters through a thing of like, well they possibly be
Speaker 1: being that.
Speaker 3: That happened to me last week here in New York.
Speaker 4: So it has my birthday and my bother surprised because
Speaker 4: it had never been to the Statue of Liberty, so
Speaker 4: hen'll meet me at Battery Park and we'll go have
Speaker 4: an adventure. So I met him at like one and
Speaker 4: then we got I actually saw yeah, and then he
Speaker 4: saw me and he was like surprise.
Speaker 3: He's like, he told you've never been to Statue Liberty.
Speaker 1: So I got us.
Speaker 3: We're getting on the boat.
Speaker 4: We're going to Ellis Island and then we're going to
Speaker 4: go and have lunch out one trade sound it like
Speaker 4: the top of the world, and then after that we're
Speaker 4: going to go to Like he had this whole.
Speaker 3: Thing planned, and I was like so emotional. I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, that's so wonderful.
Speaker 4: And I hugged him and gave him a kiss, and
Speaker 4: in the corner of my eye, I see a gentleman
Speaker 4: and he goes, hey, no, no, no, fuck it. And
Speaker 4: I looked and I was like, I thought I misheard him,
Speaker 4: and I made it and I justified that I didn't
Speaker 4: hear right. There's no way yeah, And I thought, there's
Speaker 4: no way. This is New York City. I'm no, it's
Speaker 4: broad daylight, you know. It's like, no, this is not happening.
Speaker 4: And I looked over it and my boyfriend and excited.
Speaker 4: He's like focusing on me. He's like focusing on me.
Speaker 4: He doesn't even hear the guy, but I can't focus
Speaker 4: on anything else but what he just said. And he's
Speaker 4: saying it again. He's waving like this and he's like,
Speaker 4: you like saying it again, and then he spits at us.
Speaker 1: Jesus and you guys were attacked.
Speaker 4: And then I looked at him and he's like walking
Speaker 4: away and he spits at it and like the spit
Speaker 4: didn't hit us pretty close. And I looked at my
Speaker 4: boyfriend and he's still so in love and so like
Speaker 4: focused on me. He's like and then we're gonna go
Speaker 4: about And I was like, did you hear what he said?
Speaker 4: And he was like what And he's like he called us.
Speaker 4: He called me fat, and it's like who. And the
Speaker 4: guy had already walked away, and I was like that guy,
Speaker 4: he can spired us. And he's like ignore him and
Speaker 4: I was like I no, I can't ignore her. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And I was just like what And then he's like
Speaker 4: he's so, this is New York City. It's like he's
Speaker 4: probably mentally like ill or like something. It's like I
Speaker 4: don't want to have to justify that someone's using that word.
Speaker 4: He doesn't know me, you know, he doesn't know that
Speaker 4: it's my birthday and I'm having a great time with
Speaker 4: my or that you're a human human you don't know me,
Speaker 4: and you don't get to call me that. You don't
Speaker 4: get to call me that. And a part of me
Speaker 4: wanted to go in and say something and maybe get physical.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but it was so paralyzed. And I
Speaker 4: hate the fact that I was paralyzed with this because
Speaker 4: the word itself sounded like that can't be happening. Not surreal,
Speaker 4: It's it's surreal, and it's like it's like watching a
Speaker 4: car accident you're a part of or something that you know.
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm in an accident, Like this is happening.
Speaker 4: It's totally to me, and you get frozen. And I
Speaker 4: was frozen, and he walked away and I didn't do anything.
Speaker 4: I just hated myself because I didn't believe it was happening,
Speaker 4: and I was so confused.
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, how come you can't he him?
Speaker 4: I heard, you know, and he was like because he
Speaker 4: was so lovely and like just focusing on the day
Speaker 4: that he had presented in front of us, and then
Speaker 4: he was better than I was in the way of
Speaker 4: brushing it off. But I was like kind of ruined
Speaker 4: the beginning of of course for me. And then he's like, he's, oh, hey,
Speaker 4: look at me. Don't let this ruin the day for you.
Speaker 4: Let's say he was mentally ill. So I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: but that's not that's not justification, you know.
Speaker 1: And it also it's like, it's of course a sweet thing,
Speaker 1: and he obviously wanted to salvage of the day that
Speaker 1: he had created and like make sure that it was
Speaker 1: still a happy day.
Speaker 2: But it's just like it's in your eye line first
Speaker 2: of all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also he he didn't see it and it
Speaker 1: didn't experienceactly, so it was my happening. And the thing
Speaker 1: where it really hit me that it.
Speaker 3: Was it was the spitting.
Speaker 1: It would have been like, yeah, that's an attack, someone
Speaker 1: spitting at you, and I couldn't.
Speaker 4: Believe it, and I was like, no, that is what's happening.
Speaker 4: That's and that's when I really kind of like came
Speaker 4: back to and I was like, that is what's happening.
Speaker 4: And then he walked away, and I was like, I
Speaker 4: wish it would have came to me sooner.
Speaker 1: You always I'm so sorry that that happened, and you
Speaker 1: always wish later that you could have been the best
Speaker 1: version of yourself in that moment. Are like the sharpest,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, you know had something to say or I
Speaker 1: had to. But the thing is, like what they don't
Speaker 1: talk about is it's like they talk about the fight
Speaker 1: or flight response, but it's really the fight, flight or freeze. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a totally validated reaction to that, and I.
Speaker 4: Hadn't felt that, and I hadn't felt that since I
Speaker 4: was I mean, this only happened twice in my life.
Speaker 4: Once when I was six and they went to visit
Speaker 4: my my grandm in Mexico, and I was hanging out
Speaker 4: with these kids and I brought my Tonka truck and
Speaker 4: I wanted to play with them, but I was pretty flambuoyant,
Speaker 4: and I brought the toy to play with my new friends,
Speaker 4: and I thought I was gonna have and it was
Speaker 4: our neighboring house, and then my mom said, go play
Speaker 4: with them. You know, I'll share your toys because everyone
Speaker 4: hears privileged and you have toys. So I went to
Speaker 4: play with the toys and these boys were like, we
Speaker 4: can't play with you because our brother says you're a
Speaker 4: Mary Posa, which means you're a butterfly. It's a sorry
Speaker 4: toy word about, like you know, the F word, And
Speaker 4: I didn't understand that, and I was like, what are
Speaker 4: you talking about? Mandy postas are beautiful? It was okay,
Speaker 4: and he's like, we can't play with you. And they
Speaker 4: start chanting the word madyposa over and over, and I
Speaker 4: was like, what are they doing? And I just knew
Speaker 4: it was bad, and I emotionally like couldn't do anything,
Speaker 4: like it's only happened twice in my life, six and
Speaker 4: on my birthday last week and this was this was
Speaker 4: last week last week, and it took me back to
Speaker 4: that six year old where I didn't do anything. I
Speaker 4: grabbed my truck and I walked away and they were
Speaker 4: chanting over and over, and I didn't defend myself because
Speaker 4: I didn't know what it meant, and I didn't know
Speaker 4: how to comprehend, like the feelings that were going through
Speaker 4: my emotions everything. And I looked back and then I
Speaker 4: sees start flying and their rocks, they're throwing rocks, and.
Speaker 3: One of them hits me here and it scars me
Speaker 3: right here.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you have a scar.
Speaker 4: And so that was my first experience of being like
Speaker 4: bashed with this word and feelings of like who I
Speaker 4: am is not accept it and it's just like I
Speaker 4: ran home and I was like covered in blood and
Speaker 4: I told my mom, I'm sobbing, and I'm like, they.
Speaker 3: Call you mighty posta? So who called you many posts?
Speaker 1: Like they did?
Speaker 4: Why did they call me that? She kept saying, who
Speaker 4: cares what they call you? Maney posas are beautiful and
Speaker 4: they get to fly all over the world. And I
Speaker 4: was I knew she was protecting me because I was
Speaker 4: so young.
Speaker 1: And even in that moment, you're like, I did I.
Speaker 3: Didn't happen?
Speaker 1: I remember, and as an adult you're like, why did
Speaker 1: that happen?
Speaker 4: So that was a six year old and now, like
Speaker 4: you know, last week through my birth, I was just like,
Speaker 4: how have I come this far? And I still am
Speaker 4: paralyzed when people it's.
Speaker 1: Just like human brain that it was your response to it,
Speaker 1: period and that is a valid response to it. And
Speaker 1: also it's just crazy because like you should be able
Speaker 1: to express affection in your partner freely wherever. And it
Speaker 1: is scary though because I also had like a moment.
Speaker 1: It was probably about a year ago that I kissed
Speaker 1: someone on the street and someone was walking past us
Speaker 1: and he said, none of that gay shit. And this
Speaker 1: was in Chelsea, you know what I mean. So it's
Speaker 1: like and also you know my ex like he liked
Speaker 1: to like hold hands on the street and like be
Speaker 1: affectionate and like kiss in front of people, and I
Speaker 1: told him at one point, I was like, hey, like
Speaker 1: if I'm ever like dodging that or it feels like
Speaker 1: I'm not into it, it's not that I'm not into
Speaker 1: it or don't want to do it, it's I'm scared.
Speaker 1: It's because like you know, you hear a lot about
Speaker 1: this happening.
Speaker 3: Been in Times Square like a couple weeks ago. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a couple just want hand and no one did anything.
Speaker 1: So it was like it's like, I mean a few
Speaker 1: years ago in the West Village and sorry to upset
Speaker 1: you know, the readers and everyone listening, but like it's
Speaker 1: just something that's very real, and I think it's like
Speaker 1: important that we talk about because you know, we have
Speaker 1: these like sort of ambiguous things of like, oh it's
Speaker 1: getting worse, like things are happening, but like specifically like
Speaker 1: there was someone shot. There was a gay couple. One
Speaker 1: of them was shot in the West Village. I'm like
Speaker 1: literally West fourth and six.
Speaker 2: It's like last summer.
Speaker 1: It was like a few summers ago, but like it's
Speaker 1: it's almost like not even the point of when it was.
Speaker 1: It's just like recently, it happened two gay men in
Speaker 1: gay parts of a gay city. It's really shitty, and
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry that it happened so recently, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: That we have to deal with it, and I'm sorry
Speaker 4: that we have to be We're still sharing these stories
Speaker 4: and they're so like relevant, and it's not like it
Speaker 4: happened years ago.
Speaker 3: It's like this is happening, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's like and again this is you know,
Speaker 4: obviously it's pretty heavy, you know, but it's also something
Speaker 4: that needs to be of course, especially with the times
Speaker 4: that we're living in.
Speaker 1: It's just I think that it's hard to expla lane
Speaker 1: to someone that doesn't have to, that isn't a scared
Speaker 1: person when they hold hands or even are in a
Speaker 1: group of gay friends. Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And this is why when people talk about going to
Speaker 2: like a gay destination, a queer place, a queer bar.
Speaker 2: It's like it's a place where you like kind of
Speaker 2: let that armor drop, and like that's why people are
Speaker 2: obsessed with going to Fire Island. It's because it's like
Speaker 2: it's a place with like basically no straight people, so
Speaker 2: you kind of like get to be safe. You're safe,
Speaker 2: and then therefore that leads to like a nice kind
Speaker 2: of innocent hedonism where you just start enjoying things and
Speaker 2: like it's as simple as that, and like I get
Speaker 2: a little self conscious. I'm like, oh, I don't really
Speaker 2: travel other places too much besides like my Fire Islands
Speaker 2: and like my this and my that, and I'm just like,
Speaker 2: but it's just.
Speaker 1: It's it's a literal safety. Yeah, it's such a bummer,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I do feel like talking about it helps.
Speaker 4: And I think I think someone listening to us and
Speaker 4: you're sharing that story about with your excent and me
Speaker 4: sharing that story likewise, it's just like it will help
Speaker 4: because we shouldn't live in fear, and I think it
Speaker 4: helps us to share these stories with each other.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, everyone does have one, even if there's
Speaker 1: top of mind, like I wouldn't have even it's like
Speaker 1: your story like made me remember that. But it's like
Speaker 1: it's less about I have a story and more about
Speaker 1: And I'm sure a lot of people can connect to this.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we all do. It's more about there is
Speaker 1: a baseline feeling of vulnerability at all times. Yea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the reason why people are in the closet
Speaker 2: or stay in the closet, or it's a reason why
Speaker 2: that is a stage. Yeah, in every queer identity is
Speaker 2: that you like have to like make the choice to
Speaker 2: announce it.
Speaker 1: To like you know, that's what it is.
Speaker 3: It's like the coming out of the closet in that phrase.
Speaker 4: I always had a problem with it because coming out
Speaker 4: of the closet, it's like when someone quote unquot comes
Speaker 4: out of the closet already know who they are. They're
Speaker 4: sharing that information with your it's not like a surprise,
Speaker 4: it's that they already knew. They ask themselves these questions.
Speaker 4: So I really think it should be called letting people in.
Speaker 4: I let you in and I because you already know,
Speaker 4: you ask yourself that question, am I queer? And by
Speaker 4: the time you come to like, okay, I'm gonna show
Speaker 4: that information with someone, I'm going to let them in
Speaker 4: knock them out of the closet.
Speaker 3: I'm going to let them in.
Speaker 4: And what you do with that information is so important
Speaker 4: because it can go terribly wrong. People let people in.
Speaker 4: Look what happens.
Speaker 1: It should be let them into my walk in. Let
Speaker 1: them into my walk in. It's actually really culture number eighty.
Speaker 1: It's not coming out of the closet, it's letting them
Speaker 1: into my walk in.
Speaker 2: Now, Harvey, we want you to let us in into
Speaker 2: this question that we ask all of our guests, which
Speaker 2: is what is the culture that made you say culture
Speaker 2: is for me? Culture is for you? What is the
Speaker 2: formative piece of pop culture that sort of set you on?
Speaker 3: Well, it's so funny because I think that like a
Speaker 3: lot of young kids who watched Titanic for the first time, YEP,
Speaker 3: I was obsessed with Titanic, and then more with Kate Winslet,
Speaker 3: and then I went down a rabbit hole and then
Speaker 3: went to see her one of her first films, and
Speaker 3: then I was u sess because of the Winslet, became
Speaker 3: more obsessed with Melanie Lynsky, Oh my God, I Heavenly Creatures.
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with it.
Speaker 4: I would watch that and I was like, this is
Speaker 4: for me, Peter Jackson is for me. This is for me,
Speaker 4: these young actors who I would just was blown away
Speaker 4: how amazing they were.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is for me, Like this is the world
Speaker 3: I want to live in. This is movies and this
Speaker 3: culture is for me.
Speaker 4: And then just going down rabbit hole of films that
Speaker 4: Peter had made and like just like for me, I
Speaker 4: would literally would quote like if someone were having lunch
Speaker 4: or something at the cafeteria and then someone grabs the
Speaker 4: last not shows and like, go ahead, treat yourself.
Speaker 3: It's just like.
Speaker 1: Your way into Peter Jackson to be creatures. That is
Speaker 1: so like, of course I know Lord of the Rings,
Speaker 1: but really Creatures was my way into Peter Jackson. I was,
Speaker 1: we just had Melanie on the show.
Speaker 2: But that's why Titanic is important, is because it becomes
Speaker 2: this and it's a rabbit hole.
Speaker 4: Like it was like it went down and I was
Speaker 4: it started with a Kate and Kate it's amazing, but
Speaker 4: then I discovered Mellingly and oh my gosh, and then
Speaker 4: go down that and I was like, she's so phenomenal
Speaker 4: everything she's done.
Speaker 1: But I'm a cheerleader.
Speaker 3: Like it was just like all this stuff that she's done,
Speaker 3: and it's like that was for me.
Speaker 4: I quote those things with my friends all the time,
Speaker 4: and then it just goes, you know, and then other
Speaker 4: movies as well, like it's just like old like campy
Speaker 4: stuff like you know Baby Jane, Jane, you know, Mommy Daris.
Speaker 4: Of course, it's like, you know, it's queer culture, so
Speaker 4: like queer culture like through that way of like Titanic
Speaker 4: was kind of like what I've learned that the.
Speaker 1: Six degrees of Kate Winslet leading you into.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Titanic did give you this understanding of camp I
Speaker 2: think because the dialogue is I think consciously camp be
Speaker 2: because it's literally what kikiy Bober was talking about on
Speaker 2: the podcast where she was like, he has to he
Speaker 2: has to recoup on these movies. He has to make
Speaker 2: this dialogue as general and is like understandable to every
Speaker 2: to as many people as possible.
Speaker 1: The inflection on those lines too, like I put the
Speaker 1: coat on her, put the diamond in the government, like
Speaker 1: all those.
Speaker 4: Lines and just like you know, going down the elevator
Speaker 4: like so iconic. The inflection on those lines were like
Speaker 4: it's just it couldn't have done any.
Speaker 1: I think it was the first time I ever saw
Speaker 1: the middle finger used in the elevator, that's actually a pull.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize I had. But the first time I
Speaker 1: ever saw the fuck you gesture with the middle finger
Speaker 1: may have been Titanic, because I was told in a
Speaker 1: film anyway, because I was told when I was in
Speaker 1: kindergarten that I was doing it, but without realizing what
Speaker 1: it was, I think, I like, this is before Titanic,
Speaker 1: But I was having my middle fingers up like this.
Speaker 1: I guess I just thought it was funny. And my
Speaker 1: teacher wrote a letter home that I had been using
Speaker 1: the middle finger, and my parents were so upset because
Speaker 1: I think they thought I knew what the fuck I
Speaker 1: was doing. And then when it was two years later,
Speaker 1: in ninety seven, I saw that and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I get it. It's a crude gesture.
Speaker 2: I've always had a question though, that's so funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: I feel like, is that anachronistic? Did the middle finger
Speaker 2: mean that?
Speaker 1: That's actually interesting question for a historian, And.
Speaker 4: I well, I went down how accurate a lot of
Speaker 4: the things were, and like the actual Remember they're looking
Speaker 4: for them and they're having sex in the car, and
Speaker 4: they guys the like lamps and then you know they
Speaker 4: like they found them.
Speaker 1: Lamps weren't invented until you're after time. Oh my god, Harvey, backup,
Speaker 1: producer Becker. Can you look up the origin of the
Speaker 1: middle finger? Okay, this is we're gonna get to the
Speaker 1: bottom of the bottom of this. That is huge.
Speaker 2: And I had never thought about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was just a year too early, and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, those weren't in there.
Speaker 1: That is funny. So what were they using? Torches? Lantern lanterns? Okay,
Speaker 1: so make sure that we're picking up back here because
Speaker 1: she's going to deliver the news, all right.
Speaker 5: So, according to the BBC, the Greeks used the middle
Speaker 5: finger as an explicit reference to male genitalia as far
Speaker 5: back as four hundred and nineteen BCS.
Speaker 2: This is one of the oldest things.
Speaker 1: So this erect finger sposed to be a penis. So
Speaker 1: when I pointed at you, it's literally fuck you and
Speaker 1: oh in the classic times in Greece, like it is,
Speaker 1: it really is. So it's like the Greece were doing
Speaker 1: fuck you and also gay sex before anyone else. Can
Speaker 1: I say you that ancient Greeks would have loved poppers
Speaker 1: and it's actually really culture number forty nine. I think
Speaker 1: the ancient Greeks would have loved poppers. I think it's
Speaker 1: engraved and like when you go into the colise, it's Bible. Now,
Speaker 1: well it's engraved into our commandments, the rules of culture.
Speaker 1: So it is so, and so it shall be done,
Speaker 1: and so it shall be done. So Titanic sort of
Speaker 1: set you on a course. Then, didn't you become like
Speaker 1: a little like cinophile, You the person that was like
Speaker 1: in school being like, I know movies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I would go to school and like watch
Speaker 4: and start watching shows that were not like age appropriate,
Speaker 4: Like I was obsessed with Amy Sedaris. Yeah, It's Strangers
Speaker 4: a Candy, where like I would go to school and
Speaker 4: kids would be like, what are.
Speaker 3: You talking about?
Speaker 1: And I was like packing a musket, you know, And
Speaker 1: I knew that all actually funny story.
Speaker 4: I auditioned with that monolog for my first musical theater
Speaker 4: Gig Out of School, and I booked it just Jerry,
Speaker 4: with Jerry packing a musket. But it was like when
Speaker 4: you work from home and John's calm the phone, you're
Speaker 4: a collgirl, when you walk with the limp and give a.
Speaker 1: Cut to a pimp, you're a street you're giving doing please? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like did the whole thing. I thought it was a joke.
Speaker 4: I did his joke because I was like, I'm not
Speaker 4: supposed to audition one in school. I audition while still
Speaker 4: in school as a joke. And I got it, and
Speaker 4: I moved to Japan for thirteen months.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, what was your experience living in Japan? I
Speaker 1: loved it.
Speaker 4: I also got there and you know, I hadn't done
Speaker 4: anything before, so I wouldn't be like play cool professional
Speaker 4: blah blah. And I got there and they gave me
Speaker 4: the script and it was in Japanese and I was like, oh, no,
Speaker 4: I know, I got the Japanese pressure. And they're like yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like we opened in two weeks and it's wait
Speaker 4: what it in Tokyo Osaka?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Which then how did it work?
Speaker 4: Because phonetically you say it in Japanese like it's like
Speaker 4: we're not doing an English show in Japan, Like they
Speaker 4: brought American actors.
Speaker 1: To do show, and so I just completely I didn't
Speaker 1: have an age or anything. It was just like I
Speaker 1: just got the job.
Speaker 4: And I was like, way, I know when toulu and
Speaker 4: so I had to learn so like, to this day,
Speaker 4: I had to understudy the wizard with the white wig
Speaker 4: and makeup like it never went on, thank god. But
Speaker 4: I had to learn his song sentimental man. To this day,
Speaker 4: when that song comes out, it goes automatically Japanese.
Speaker 1: Man, this is for wicked. Yeah, you were a wizard
Speaker 1: and real swing to the way.
Speaker 4: And I was like, which made no sense because the
Speaker 4: show that originally did there was Sesame Street. So I
Speaker 4: was a thirteen year old boy, and I was like,
Speaker 4: how did I go from thirteen to like fifty eight?
Speaker 1: Like it talent rain, she ranged, she got ranged. So
Speaker 1: to this day, literally when I heard something, it's best thought.
Speaker 1: Oh so I heard albab there. Yeah, God, that was amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1: Do you do you pick up and retain? I did?
Speaker 4: While now when I got back and I would hear
Speaker 4: someone like in an elevator of visiting and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I was like, and I give him directions and so
Speaker 4: I was like, how did this scow? Like it's like
Speaker 4: I pick up stuff and I say it, and it's
Speaker 4: like if you don't use it, you lose it, especially
Speaker 4: that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I to this day it's hard to just
Speaker 1: go back and like, no, I can still know I
Speaker 1: haven't used it in years.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, there's a part of your brain that is committed.
Speaker 4: I could pick it up like I could pick it up,
Speaker 4: and I was like, but it's not as like by
Speaker 4: the eleventh month, I was just having full on conversation.
Speaker 1: What was the Japanese Alphaba giving I've seen the clips
Speaker 1: of that. Yes, so Japanese?
Speaker 4: Al well, Alphaba was American or Australian. She she was
Speaker 4: an actor from Australia. She actually did Alphaba Wicked in Australia,
Speaker 4: like that's the company shit, So she did it in Japan.
Speaker 4: The only lead that was Japanese was Glinda Cool. So
Speaker 4: the lie that I used to love is like what
Speaker 4: happened when she used her magical not either, I know,
Speaker 4: like it's just like, what happened?
Speaker 1: Why did you that? I hope you're happy like that.
Speaker 1: I need love.
Speaker 2: This the craziest thing about any show, but Wicked, I
Speaker 2: am slightly familiar with, like the international aspect of it
Speaker 2: because Steven Arimus, who's been like working on the show
Speaker 2: since the beginning, who's working in the movie, Like he's.
Speaker 1: Literally like traveling.
Speaker 2: He still travels all over the world to be like
Speaker 2: all right, and we got to do it, and like
Speaker 2: you know Hungary, we now we have to do it
Speaker 2: in like you know, fucking Slovakia or wherever. I'm just
Speaker 2: making a place. He literally goes to like Eastern Europe, Asia,
Speaker 2: like all these places, and it is just like so
Speaker 2: so wonderful, how like international, like musical theater can be whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm sounding like such a noo it's.
Speaker 4: Like, but it's also some things like phonetically or like
Speaker 4: the dipthongs, like they get lost when translated, so like
Speaker 4: it's like popular is so specific because it goes with
Speaker 4: the pope, so then it's like when you change that,
Speaker 4: it's like something a little bit lost in Wow.
Speaker 2: There are compilations out there of like alphabets from every country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've watched nearly all.
Speaker 2: They're all gags every alphabet. There are some Korean alphabets
Speaker 2: that like go off, yeah.
Speaker 1: Eat, tear and more, eat culture number ninety two. There
Speaker 1: are some Korean alphabets who eat and more. Oh, Harvey,
Speaker 1: that's amazing.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was my first big gig and like
Speaker 4: I'm glad I did it, and I was just like
Speaker 4: thrown in there. But then going back, musical theater was
Speaker 4: my training, like, but I did end up doing it,
Speaker 4: like I ended up going to TV and film.
Speaker 3: So like looking back, I'm like, but I feel like
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go back to the street.
Speaker 1: When are you going back to? Yah? Maybe sooner than
Speaker 1: we think, Oh yeah, how interesting are well?
Speaker 2: Boyfriend's here in New York? Yeah that would be really
Speaker 2: a great Yeah.
Speaker 1: I found myself like lucky.
Speaker 4: I was like getting work out here this year and
Speaker 4: then spending more and more time here. So because at
Speaker 4: first I was like, let's see how this plays out,
Speaker 4: Like it's like you know, in the relationships early.
Speaker 1: And you're like, I don't live here, I don't have
Speaker 1: you guys been together? Five months?
Speaker 2: Oh, you're you're past the three month benchmark, which I
Speaker 2: think is like my wall. It's like not my wall,
Speaker 2: but it's like the hill I have to crest all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: Or six months sorry, six months now six months lat year.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. That's pretty good.
Speaker 4: If you were to ask me this second month one
Speaker 4: or two, when I was like, Okay, let's see how
Speaker 4: this works.
Speaker 1: No, totally, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But now I'm like, you know what, this is steady,
Speaker 3: steady looking for apartments.
Speaker 1: I'm slooting for apartments at six months. I mean, not
Speaker 1: like it's helping. He's moving yay. No no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no helping. But you're part of it in a cubstantial way. Yes,
Speaker 1: And why wouldn't.
Speaker 4: You be exactly exactly so, because I was like, well,
Speaker 4: you know what, I've just been a lot of time
Speaker 4: here and back and forth.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like killer.
Speaker 1: It's it's pretty fun here it is. I mean, New
Speaker 1: York is back. It's back. And we just had this
Speaker 1: conversation yesterday with a couple of friends, Like the phrase
Speaker 1: of New York is back for years, It's been said
Speaker 1: for years, But what I mean is like, and tell
Speaker 1: me if you agree. New York never left, Like no,
Speaker 1: for sure left. Like I feel like the pandemic killed
Speaker 1: New York and then New York was quote unquote back
Speaker 1: when everything opened up again. But I feel New York
Speaker 1: was not really back because everything was operating at an
Speaker 1: eleven and there was like an like I remember I
Speaker 1: was in like like I stayed in the Lower East
Speaker 1: Side when I first came here, and it was like
Speaker 1: everyone was like really frantic about being able to be
Speaker 1: out again, and there was chaos now it feels like
Speaker 1: I say, New York is back because we've reverted back
Speaker 1: to like chill New York. We're not like you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's not crazy about being able to be Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was there.
Speaker 2: Was always gonna be an overcorrective like spike up and
Speaker 2: then now like and now I think the needle is
Speaker 2: back to like the yes, the center, yeah or whatever
Speaker 2: exactly for those of us who never left New York
Speaker 2: and like put in the hard yards?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: Am I using that term correctly?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure? What is hard in the paint? Mean again,
Speaker 1: hard in the paint means when you're like it's a
Speaker 1: basketball thing. Yeah, it's like when you're driving down the court,
Speaker 1: like you're going hard in the paint. Like it's like,
Speaker 1: am I doing this? Like hard in the paint? It's
Speaker 1: like when when you are really riding hard for something,
Speaker 1: Like I use it like I go hard in the
Speaker 1: paint for Kelly Clarkson. Yea, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like this year at the Oscars, I went hard on
Speaker 1: the paint for Michelle Yo. Yeah, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like that's how you'd use it. Hard during the hard
Speaker 1: yards is like it's like I've been through ship. It's
Speaker 1: like Michelle Yo did the hard yards. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: why I go hard on the paint totally.
Speaker 2: I would say that that kind of works with what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think it worked. I think it works the entire ways. Okay,
Speaker 1: being in the pandemic in New York era was doing
Speaker 1: the hard gark.
Speaker 2: I feel like I never really called myself a New
Speaker 2: Yorker until that, until like twenty twenty one, when I
Speaker 2: was like, whoa, I like made It isn't.
Speaker 1: The rule though, that ten years in New York means
Speaker 1: you're in New Yorker for life.
Speaker 2: I didn't feel that at ten years.
Speaker 1: But it's not up to you. I'm saying, like, that's no, no,
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: It's a feeling.
Speaker 3: It's a feeling.
Speaker 5: Well, it is the general room of thumb, it's the
Speaker 5: general rule ten years in. But I do feel like
Speaker 5: those that stayed through the pandemic, yeah, earned I feel
Speaker 5: like I earned an.
Speaker 1: Extrasus achievement in line I knew during the pandemic point
Speaker 1: and that's a triple point.
Speaker 2: So triple point, that's huge, that's majors, that's multiplier status.
Speaker 1: I just feel like we did college here and then
Speaker 1: like all our twenties here and so I here's what
Speaker 1: I thought. I felt like I could finally call myself
Speaker 1: a New Yorker when anyone could ask me any question
Speaker 1: about the subway and I can answer, yeah, that's actually
Speaker 1: really good, Like anytime you have the subway down, Like
Speaker 1: if someone comes to you and they are like, how
Speaker 1: do I get the eat and you can tell them, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're a New Yorker, baby, you are. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: I'm an Angelina born raise.
Speaker 4: So there's the revolving door of actors and models and
Speaker 4: writers that go through that city every day.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, how do you feel.
Speaker 4: I feel the same way that it's like after ten
Speaker 4: years we have people were like, I moved here two
Speaker 4: years ago.
Speaker 3: I was like you, I was like, no, I'm I
Speaker 3: lived there, I'm agelin.
Speaker 4: I was like, I've I was born raised here, And
Speaker 4: it's like so honorary at ten years, yes, but before that,
Speaker 4: I feel like it's premature. And that's the thing that
Speaker 4: most actors probably won't stay ten years.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Most actors get there like not for me, writers uh not,
Speaker 4: or they get outsourced to like Atlanta or New York
Speaker 4: or another or Toronto, you know, because we rarely work
Speaker 4: in LA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I did the small part in that
Speaker 1: movie Lyle Isle Crocodile, and I was on set one
Speaker 1: day with and they filmed in Atlanta, and I was
Speaker 1: working with this Atlanta based actress and she was sort
Speaker 1: of debating a life change because she was pregnant. She's like,
Speaker 1: I want to raise my kid in LA. But I
Speaker 1: work so much more here in Atlanta than any of
Speaker 1: my friends that went to LA because it's so crowded.
Speaker 1: Like if you're a good actor or performer in an
Speaker 1: area where they do a lot of shoe it's like
Speaker 1: I would imagine Toronto like all those Canada local hires
Speaker 1: and Vancouver everywhere, like it might be beneficial for you
Speaker 1: to say, especially a big fish in a smaller pond exactly.
Speaker 4: And I have a lot of friends in LA who
Speaker 4: moved to Atlanta and have thriving careers because you're considered
Speaker 4: a local higher you have to put you up and
Speaker 4: drive a fly you over pretty like that gets expensive.
Speaker 4: And if you can make it in LA and continues
Speaker 4: your work, then stay there obviously because you make connections
Speaker 4: with casting directors or whatever. But if you don't, then
Speaker 4: get your jump somewhere else and you might find out
Speaker 4: that that was the road or trajectory you're supposed to.
Speaker 1: Be built a resume, I say, like, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like come in with a bet with a resume,
Speaker 1: not just so that you can have a piece of
Speaker 1: paper that said here's what I've done, but also you
Speaker 1: can have the experience. And then you go to a
Speaker 1: big city like LA or New York, and then you're
Speaker 1: an a list in a list city. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just giving you a hard time.
Speaker 2: But do you feel a certain way about moving in
Speaker 2: your like like you're portraying in La kind But I
Speaker 2: feel like.
Speaker 4: Going back to what you said about LA and New
Speaker 4: York being like the top, I think that I'm good
Speaker 4: either or what was behind. But if for whatever reason,
Speaker 4: you know, career love you know, moves you to Citi,
Speaker 4: well what a great place.
Speaker 1: To be, right? Can I say what I mean by
Speaker 1: a list? It's like, here's what I mean to make
Speaker 1: it like international, It's like Paris, London, Paris, Beijing, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like Sydney, like keep going. I'm
Speaker 1: like Hillary London, there's something.
Speaker 2: Good everywhere and goes and then wow, she had some
Speaker 2: bops didn't she absolutely.
Speaker 1: Music does not get the no she should be why
Speaker 1: not shall we transition? Let's transition? So we are now
Speaker 1: going to transition. What a lovely episode this has been,
Speaker 1: by the way, it's been so nice to like hang
Speaker 1: with you. But we're doing I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: So this is our sixty second segment that we take
Speaker 1: something in the culture and we just put it in
Speaker 1: its place. I'd say we drag it. Yeah, we use
Speaker 1: the words I don't think so honey about it, which
Speaker 1: is no greater burn. And I literally in this moment
Speaker 1: do not have something? But I'm going to think of
Speaker 1: something within five seconds? Or do you have something? I
Speaker 1: have something? Then you go okay, okay, right, So this
Speaker 1: is Bowen Yang's who I'm so lucky to call my
Speaker 1: best friend, and I'm so lucky to call it it's his,
Speaker 1: it's his. I don't think so many time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey.
Speaker 2: Johnny Depp just got signed on a twenty million dollar
Speaker 2: deal with di Or for a men's fragrance thing. Who
Speaker 2: wants to smell like him? Do you look at Johnny
Speaker 2: Depp and go, I bet he smells good. I think
Speaker 2: it is giving greasy, it's giving unwashed, no problem, that's
Speaker 2: his whole thing, no problem, But that's his whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's my point exactly, is that like, this guy can't
Speaker 2: be paid that much money for a thirty secres campaign
Speaker 2: because when they're right, mind wants to smell like that
Speaker 2: and do your I I wish for better because normally
Speaker 2: you nail it on the fragrance people you sign, I
Speaker 2: still remain. We all knew where we were when Charlie's
Speaker 2: there and ripped off her gold dress, her pearls. What
Speaker 2: of the fuck for for her? You know, Jador, Natalie
Speaker 2: Mistor who could forget mademoiselle? Thank you, Johnny. I feel
Speaker 2: like it's not aspirational.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. Now. I know what I'm gonna do,
Speaker 1: and it's a directly relevant to yours, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: go right in. Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't
Speaker 1: think so many his time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp's fragrance that was called sauvage. It looks like sausage.
Speaker 1: Sausage when you look at the word, it looks like sausage.
Speaker 1: And so then not only are you opting into a
Speaker 1: fragrance that says smell like Johnny Depp, which I agree
Speaker 1: with my sister, I don't think so honey. But then
Speaker 1: I really don't think so honey, that it's one word
Speaker 1: away from sausage, which we love to eat and smell,
Speaker 1: but not in a fragrance capacity, in a breakfast capacity.
Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey, sausage smelling like you. Hey,
Speaker 1: come here, check clop my neck. It's sausage. Get out
Speaker 1: of town. Hello. I don't think so honey, this idea
Speaker 1: that's sauvage and Johnny Depp isn't gonna be gnarly on
Speaker 1: the ears because guess what. Fifteen seconds then I was
Speaker 1: gifted the fragrance. It's a really good fragrance, and I
Speaker 1: wear it a lot, and then I have to say
Speaker 1: they'd say what are you wearing? And I have to
Speaker 1: say I'd be humiliated when I say, Johnny Depp sausage.
Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey.
Speaker 2: That's one minute. Oh girl, you are so you are
Speaker 2: so right for that one twenty million dollars. I'm just confirming.
Speaker 2: I was like, that number can be right.
Speaker 1: Just check twenty million, twenty million dollars to do what
Speaker 1: like being a couple of pictures.
Speaker 2: Being a couple of pictures? Do an add I have
Speaker 2: some what do they call it? Like principal days or
Speaker 2: something like days where you have to Really I don't
Speaker 2: get this because is.
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp's demographic, which I'm gonna assume is largely male.
Speaker 1: Are they buying this fragrance for themselves? Because that's another
Speaker 1: thing to think about. It is it's like or is
Speaker 1: it like the people? Yeah, what do you just straight women.
Speaker 4: The demos like women who would love to like put
Speaker 4: it on a scarf from like m smells like.
Speaker 2: Yes, or let's just do women still like will keep
Speaker 2: it to straight people. But yeah, it might be women
Speaker 2: buying it for their fucking boyfriends.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: They want them to feel like a superstar. That smells
Speaker 1: like I don't know.
Speaker 2: But as we all know, he's not a good partner,
Speaker 2: he's not a great like, he's not gonna be the
Speaker 2: best boyfriend in the world to you.
Speaker 3: I think it's his brand recognition at this point.
Speaker 1: It's like recognition. Yeah, you know what will shake you
Speaker 1: is like going to parts of the Caribbean and on
Speaker 1: the ride and like Johnny Depp is just all over it. Still.
Speaker 1: I get it, like he ultimately was, like I guess
Speaker 1: uncanceled by the whole thing because like he was found
Speaker 1: that that whole court case quit dark Mark history.
Speaker 2: But like it's just odd that like it's still so
Speaker 2: present that it's interesting to me that Disney is like,
Speaker 2: no problem, keep him there.
Speaker 1: No, I think the right wind arc well that was happening.
Speaker 1: I remember, Oh really did it really?
Speaker 4: Did they do a quote unquote refurbishing then, yeah, which
Speaker 4: I think they might have just like but when and
Speaker 4: then as soon as interesting thing it came out, it.
Speaker 1: Was like it's back you know what that because they've
Speaker 1: had to do and you know what the thing is
Speaker 1: with that particular attraction is they've already done so much
Speaker 1: work to like make itta problematic because famously used to
Speaker 1: have those things. Is like he's rocking back and forth.
Speaker 1: Well now, okay, so rock and Roller Coaster is Arrowsmith
Speaker 1: and that ride is down and a lot of people
Speaker 1: think it's because Stephen Tyler had allegations. And then I
Speaker 1: think about like all those actors in the pre shows
Speaker 1: and stuff, and it's like you have to really ride
Speaker 1: hard for these people to put them in your thing
Speaker 1: for for all of time and make sure that it's
Speaker 1: not weird, Like, is there an example of that of like,
Speaker 1: I mean, Felicia shod dinosaur is it's not like an
Speaker 1: egregious thing, but it is like, okay, well you've got
Speaker 1: to build Cosby Apologist, And every time I see it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, she Bill Costoo, but she's also Felie shot
Speaker 1: and playing the pre show dinosaur.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's someone at Disney who like, does the
Speaker 2: account the goodwill accounting for all of their pre show talent.
Speaker 2: They're like, well, how much do people love this person?
Speaker 2: And how do we weigh that against like the ship
Speaker 2: they've done and said, well, and.
Speaker 1: Honestly, it's now like really topical because of the Jonathan
Speaker 1: Majors of it all right, right, like the Jonathan Majors
Speaker 1: of the and it keeps getting worse. We will see, hey,
Speaker 1: so we basically have done one joint. I don't think so,
Speaker 1: honey about Johnny Depp and his fragrance trajectory. If yours
Speaker 1: is in the same area, that's wonderful. If it's not
Speaker 1: still sleigh, okay, mine is hold on, we're gonna count away.
Speaker 1: And this is Harvey Gian's I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: time starts now musicals in plays that take several days
Speaker 1: to watch, I don't think so.
Speaker 4: Whoa Okay, I'm getting If I have a weekend in
Speaker 4: New York, I want to see something beautiful, something artistic.
Speaker 4: And if you have to now take two of my
Speaker 4: days to go see this play, in this musical, I
Speaker 4: don't think so many. Yeah, and it's starting to just
Speaker 4: it's in out of control. It's just like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's started. I feel like in the West End and
Speaker 4: it's moving over here, and it's just like I love
Speaker 4: musicals and I love watching theater, but it's hard enough
Speaker 4: to sit through a theater production for three hours.
Speaker 3: And then the three hours is like, okay, I got it,
Speaker 3: it'd be thirty second.
Speaker 4: And I just don't want to be coming to New
Speaker 4: York so often that I my time is consumed with
Speaker 4: sitting on a chair watching two productions that that took
Speaker 4: three weeks to watch, you know, just because the first.
Speaker 3: One's on Tuesday, the next one on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: If you don't get tickets for a Thursday, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna watch a Saturday matinee. And if you don't, I
Speaker 1: just I don't think.
Speaker 4: So, honey, we let's go back to just beginning, middle,
Speaker 4: and end in one city so I can watch several
Speaker 4: shows all at one time, because otherwise I don't think
Speaker 4: so honey, five seconds, okay, you.
Speaker 3: Know what, just stop, just stop stop. I don't think that.
Speaker 1: Yes, perfect, it's a huge logistical ask.
Speaker 3: It is my time, and then I want to see
Speaker 3: the craft.
Speaker 4: But also if it takes you that long and it's
Speaker 4: gonna be two days, it's like, is this like a
Speaker 4: destination wedding?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right, is this the destination wedday?
Speaker 1: I would do it if it was like the Saturday
Speaker 1: matinee and then the Saturday evening performance. But then I
Speaker 1: guess you can only do it once.
Speaker 4: A week exactly, and that takes your whole day, and
Speaker 4: then you have to go home and like decompress it. Wow,
Speaker 4: that was really crazy and heaven and then wow, and
Speaker 4: then so your whole day and weekend now revolves around
Speaker 4: this production. And then you're like, oh, I missed someone's birthday,
Speaker 4: you know, like oh I miss Mother's day.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you start missing life that what have
Speaker 1: you seen? That's like this?
Speaker 4: Did you see the Harry Potter and Harry Potter and Angels,
Speaker 4: and some people are like, I love the first half
Speaker 4: and not the second one. I don't want to wait
Speaker 4: till the second half to find out in like the
Speaker 4: you know the second right, it's like, Okay, I'm in.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna come back and then leave disappointing and be
Speaker 4: like I could have done with just the first totally.
Speaker 1: I could, Well the first half that would be good,
Speaker 1: because I'm telling you, if I am sitting for two
Speaker 1: and a half hours of the first act and it's
Speaker 1: not good, I'm not coming down. Well that's my question.
Speaker 3: How many of those seats are empty for the second part?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: I did this once. It was a Sunday between SNL shows.
Speaker 2: SNL weeks so exhausted, but I had tickets to go
Speaker 2: see both parts of the Inheritance and Lovely Show. It
Speaker 2: was just I was just like, I've been here for
Speaker 2: seven hours. This is my whole day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, life is too short.
Speaker 2: Life is too short, And it was like my only
Speaker 2: day off. And I kind of do think that corrupted
Speaker 2: my mindset going into the show.
Speaker 3: And did it go into the next week because you
Speaker 3: weren't for the rest of maybe.
Speaker 2: And it fully went into the next week.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And it's an extra ticket and it's whatever,
Speaker 2: it's all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So like often these shows are intense, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like it deals with subject matter
Speaker 1: that's like, okay, not not only am I seeing a
Speaker 1: play that's this, but the play is super si Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then now it's not like going to see music
Speaker 4: over like that was so much for for eighteen hours.
Speaker 4: Like it's just like, because if you're gonna have fun,
Speaker 4: let's wrap it.
Speaker 1: Up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But it's gonna be a moving moving it's just like
Speaker 3: it's a lot and heavy.
Speaker 1: And then it carries over to the next week.
Speaker 3: What was your thought like process Monday morning?
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: It's just like, oh I have to go back to wait,
Speaker 3: but why did she say that?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean, here we are.
Speaker 1: We're literally saying, like the ideal length of a film
Speaker 1: is like eighty eighty six minutes. Yeah, Like we saw
Speaker 1: a movie the other night, Josh and Aaron Jackson's new movie.
Speaker 1: We saw early screening eighty two minutes. Eighty two minutes.
Speaker 1: We were like perfect, Oh my god, yeah.
Speaker 2: Not a minute wasted, not a minute over asked overdone.
Speaker 1: Every movie should be a typical length of like a
Speaker 1: House of Dragons. Well that's too long, which is too
Speaker 1: long for a tea for a TV show, right, very important.
Speaker 1: Every movie should be succession.
Speaker 4: I fall into like the TV shows where like I
Speaker 4: forget that it's not just an hour thirty minutes and
Speaker 4: he lost like ninety minutes and you're like, oh shit,
Speaker 4: that was really good. Oh my god, like I lost
Speaker 4: track of time, like yeah, like sometimes and they I
Speaker 4: just don't think they advertise it. It's like stay tuned
Speaker 4: for the next ninety It's like you watch an episode,
Speaker 4: you think it's an hour, sixty minutes or thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: Some of these shows are.
Speaker 2: Going on for long, and you know what's getting me.
Speaker 2: I'm hitting pause all the time.
Speaker 1: I go, oh, my food's here. Oh, and then to
Speaker 1: get back into it, ye yeah, and then you might
Speaker 1: rewind a little bit.
Speaker 4: I get rewind, yeah, because I forgot And then sometimes
Speaker 4: the recap I forgot everything because it's been so long,
Speaker 4: or I didn't want to watch it the next day
Speaker 4: unless I'm binging it, and it's.
Speaker 1: Like what, I don't know, you know what else? I
Speaker 1: don't think sonny, I don't think Sony is skipping the recap.
Speaker 1: I need the recap. The recap has to happen because
Speaker 1: it makes me realize I didn't remember any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: I have to go back to maybe see it again.
Speaker 1: Didn't remember. And also the recap gives you hints as
Speaker 1: to what's gonna happen in the episode, and so you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: these are the threads that are gonna slay, Like what
Speaker 1: my favorite thing is about succession If in the recap,
Speaker 1: if Willa is in the recap, I'm like, sleigh episode,
Speaker 1: Willa is going to be in the episode because I
Speaker 1: ride so hard for Willa.
Speaker 2: But you know which show is not doing that? What Survivor.
Speaker 2: Survivor is not giving me the recaps. They used to
Speaker 2: do it, but they're not anymore, and I think it's
Speaker 2: I think it's very important that they do it because
Speaker 2: sometimes I go, oh, who is who voted for who?
Speaker 1: Again? Oh right, Oh, who's like on what team?
Speaker 2: It's that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So I guess by the time this airs, like Survivor
Speaker 1: will have ended. But like, yeah, but Survivor's having an
Speaker 1: incredible season. But I still have my same thoughts about Survivor,
Speaker 1: which just two things. One yes, it's way more than
Speaker 1: two things. But two of the things are one yes,
Speaker 1: give me a previously and also two I miss when
Speaker 1: the jury members would walk in, Oh I missed on
Speaker 1: the jury where like and joining us is Candace voted
Speaker 1: out last week and then you'd see like and she
Speaker 1: would like have a sour look on her face, but
Speaker 1: she would But like what I loved was when the
Speaker 1: girl voted out, we're clean and got a blowout, had
Speaker 1: a nice meal. Yes, like whenever, whenever you see like
Speaker 1: a hot guy that was voted out and like you
Speaker 1: see that they've cut their beard or whatever, Like you
Speaker 1: see them at the moment of them coming in and
Speaker 1: sitting down and looking at the people that voted them out,
Speaker 1: and they're hot now, and it's kind of scary.
Speaker 4: The facial expressions yes, yes, yeah, it's like, oh I
Speaker 4: did sendy homes like I'm back, yes expression.
Speaker 1: I miss so much about old versions and I still
Speaker 1: love SRIB but old versions of Survivor, Like, we're not
Speaker 1: on the glory days right now, and it's okay, but
Speaker 1: it's a great season, great season, and Carolyn is a star,
Speaker 1: a star. We don't know yet if she wins. We
Speaker 1: fucking hope. So, but are you into Survivor.
Speaker 3: I started watching Vivor when I was in high school
Speaker 3: and then I kind of like went out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's understanding back in a big way. It's back
Speaker 1: in a big way. It's so much content. It's back
Speaker 1: in the way. New York is back. New York and
Speaker 1: Survivor are both back. It's actually real culture number thirty.
Speaker 1: New York and Survivor are both back. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: move to New York and start watching it. Perfect.
Speaker 4: Then you'll be actualized and then I can actually well
Speaker 4: you can watch it in your pork gosh, yeah, with
Speaker 4: your men.
Speaker 1: God.
Speaker 2: I had so much fun this is and we're gonna
Speaker 2: hang more tomorrow. Oh that's right, the Glad because Harvey
Speaker 2: is hosting the Glad Awards. We're so excited. Congrats Lost
Speaker 2: couch ESA's podcast was nominated. Let's see if we keep
Speaker 2: picking up that hardware we are of course, I Heeart
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Speaker 1: Snow by the Webbies and uh now by the Queer Ties, No.
Speaker 2: By the Queerities as usual as usual. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know a single person who's won a querity, just kidding.
Speaker 1: Uh, do you know Nicole Bayer?
Speaker 2: I do know.
Speaker 1: I think she's won five five thousand querties. I think
Speaker 1: I was just two nights ago. Yeah, she's one about
Speaker 1: she's one approximately five thousand y she's the best. Oh,
Speaker 1: I can't think of anyone more fun to have it
Speaker 1: a karaoke she's oh no, I do not sing like
Speaker 1: she's but she but she is good presence. She was
Speaker 1: probably very supportive. So did she bring her querities? There
Speaker 1: were rooms? There probably wasn't room. There is probably a
Speaker 1: warehousetis she has the archive house. I get it, I
Speaker 1: get it. This is incredible. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: having me. Oh my god, this is a blast. And
Speaker 1: Bowen Yang. What do you say we end this episode
Speaker 1: like we do every single one with a song? I say, yes,
Speaker 1: talking this is saming on everywhere. You know, wake Up
Speaker 1: by Hillary?
Speaker 2: I don't know it between the wake up wake up songs?
Speaker 1: Do you know hey now, hey now this.
Speaker 2: Is what.
Speaker 1: To hear that watch? Yeah, I guess I don't know
Speaker 1: why I wanted to. I think it could be from
Speaker 1: No it's lidiamgwith because it's it's when she's remember that crazy.
Speaker 1: I think it was Lida mcguarsteine when she turns into
Speaker 1: like Italian versions Sporst. But do you remember when Rita
Speaker 1: played like the Italian version of rust Off, but she
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm not this. She had this from Mario.
Speaker 1: She did
Speaker 2: That