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Speaker 2: I've just been finding myself, meaning me up here. And

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Speaker 2: I don't want to you've talked about it.

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Speaker 1: You know, Ariana, You're absolutely right, and it looks stunning, fantastic.

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Speaker 1: in the Shadows. Renewed for not just season five, which

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Speaker 2: It's saying we're all funny people. We're all adults here.

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Speaker 1: Trust Trust, you will be dealt with. You will be

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Speaker 1: dealt with well, Ladies and gentlemen and non binary friends.

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Speaker 1: Everyone out there, however you identify, Katie's readers, finalists, publicists,

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Speaker 3: Was that was probably the best introduction I've ever heard.

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Speaker 1: Really really, it really was. It went through like everything

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Speaker 1: Well, someone said to me, like I pitched the idea

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to tell you guys who that was? Oh interesting?

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Speaker 2: Should we leave that in? I didn't say that, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: because I just said a B lister and I hooked up.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're getting raised. We can't protect it. And narrow

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Speaker 1: think she said in an interview, like it was definitely

441
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Speaker 1: my time. I somehow knew in my spirit this would

442
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Speaker 1: be my time to do this, and now is my reign,

443
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Speaker 1: and like everyone can look to me as an example

444
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Speaker 1: of like a confident, happy trans woman who's like excellent

445
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Speaker 1: and the best at what she does. And yeah, so

446
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Speaker 1: it's really feels good. Correct me if I'm wrong.

447
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Speaker 4: But they moved from Hawaii to LA to do drag Race,

448
00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,200
Speaker 4: and at the time it wasn't something that was accepted

449
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Speaker 4: like it was like right, it was still one was

450
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,159
Speaker 4: and so it was a different requirement to be on

451
00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,240
Speaker 4: drag Race, and they couldn't get on drag Race years ago.

452
00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,040
Speaker 4: That's and that could be wrong, but that's the story

453
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Speaker 4: that I heard interesting, which would be even more powerful totally.

454
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Speaker 3: They kept at it and they kept fighting, and now

455
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Speaker 3: they are the queen.

456
00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,159
Speaker 4: They are Yeah, and we are looking at them, and

457
00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,800
Speaker 4: you know, tons of trans kits across the world are

458
00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:21,359
Speaker 4: looking at them.

459
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Speaker 3: It's just like inspiration and.

460
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Speaker 1: The third trans winner in a row. It's true.

461
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Speaker 2: What I appreciate about Drag Race so much is that

462
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Speaker 2: it is like it has adapted very well, I think.

463
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Speaker 2: I mean, there have been these like starts and stuffs,

464
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Speaker 2: but like, what I love about the show is that

465
00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,600
Speaker 2: like season fifteen feels nothing like season ten, which felt

466
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,480
Speaker 2: nothing like season five. You know, it's still fresh, like

467
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,159
Speaker 2: it moves along with the culture. I think.

468
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, credit where it's due for sure. Yep. I

469
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Speaker 1: mean like there was a lot of growth. And also

470
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Speaker 1: the set is a very fun.

471
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Speaker 2: Everyone is great. Everyone who works there is wonderful.

472
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a great experience. I had a great experience.

473
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Speaker 1: I love anywhere where I can ride around in a

474
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Speaker 1: golf cart.

475
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Speaker 4: Yeah, fun, you know, I love That's That's one of

476
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Speaker 4: the things when I'll little, like thinking what it would

477
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:02,760
Speaker 4: be like to be an actors, you always see like

478
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Speaker 4: the backstage, Yeah, like oh my gosh, getting to go.

479
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Speaker 1: Like you know, Warner Brothers apparently a lot. Yeah, a lot.

480
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,480
Speaker 1: I have lunch on the lot. It's just like that

481
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite things. You get to go on.

482
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's like production for Shadows? Like how much is

483
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 2: it on the casion?

484
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Speaker 1: Are you?

485
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Speaker 2: Like? What's your time to like prep?

486
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Speaker 4: And well the first season they wouldn't give us the

487
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Speaker 4: scripts ahead of time. Really they were really secretive, even

488
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Speaker 4: to the actors because I think for the movie they

489
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,439
Speaker 4: kept it such a secret from the actors that they

490
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 4: would get to set and they give them like three

491
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Speaker 4: lines and they're like, you go, and then they didn't

492
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Speaker 4: know the story. So the actors didn't know where the

493
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 4: story was going. You just get to set. You know,

494
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Speaker 4: you're working ninety days and that every day you show

495
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:37,959
Speaker 4: up to give you so is it like a thing?

496
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Speaker 4: I think that and I think and that could be wrong,

497
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Speaker 4: but that was what I was told that that was there.

498
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Speaker 3: You know what they did.

499
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Speaker 4: But on set the first season, since I'm the only human,

500
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Speaker 4: I wanted to sprinkle like the trajectory of like an

501
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 4: emotional arlier you have and it was hard because the

502
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 4: vampires can wrap it up in one episode. Like they

503
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 4: learned how to use the internet, or they think there's

504
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,120
Speaker 4: a curse, so they wrap it up in a nice boat.

505
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 4: But for are like inclered in especially with a cross shoot.

506
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 4: So that means in one day I would shoot a

507
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 4: little bit of episode one oh two in the morning,

508
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 4: a little bit of one oh five, and a little

509
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 4: bit of the finale in one day.

510
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Speaker 3: So then but I didn't know the story in the middle.

511
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 4: So then I'd be like, wait, so we'll be shooting

512
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 4: like an episode later in the season and he's a tackle,

513
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 4: would be directing. He's like, hey, okay, have it get

514
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 4: in the car and you're terrified, And I was like, okay,

515
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 4: but where am I terrified? Oh yeah, I can't tell you.

516
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Speaker 1: Wow.

517
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Speaker 4: I was like, you can't tell me, Like that was

518
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 4: the jokes that you couldn't tell me what just happened.

519
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 4: But I'm covered in blood and they're like, yeah, we can't.

520
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Speaker 1: Just just just go with it.

521
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Speaker 3: Just you're terrified.

522
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Speaker 1: Now, maybe the fact that you didn't know helps, like

523
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Speaker 1: with the gearmonness of it, you know what I mean,

524
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 1: put upon.

525
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Speaker 4: This of it, And like I think it did because

526
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Speaker 4: looking back, when I look at the first season, I

527
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 4: look terrified all the time, and I didn't know what

528
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 4: the fuck was going on.

529
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Speaker 2: But I would say Gearbo out of all the characters

530
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 2: at all the principles, like, it has the big trajectory.

531
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Speaker 2: I think.

532
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Speaker 4: I think it became like after the first season. I

533
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 4: didn't know he was a vent Heal's until table read

534
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 4: the day before we started film. Huh, And so I

535
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 4: got the script.

536
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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, what's happening that? Yeah, we're

537
00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 1: doing it.

538
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Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, man, but it's actually good

539
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 4: that I didn't know, because then my vision would have

540
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,959
Speaker 4: been fogged. I would have been like, I better sprinkle

541
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 4: this in because he's a van healthy Yeah. So it

542
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 4: was actually perfect. But then after that we take the

543
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 4: scraps and we get a little bit of like, you know,

544
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 4: time with them, and because now we have to crosshoot

545
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 4: so quickly. Yeah, and so it's like we don't have

546
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Speaker 4: time to be like, oh, you got to prepare for that,

547
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 4: like mental total total.

548
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Speaker 3: It's a comedy thing that they were.

549
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Speaker 1: In a comedy, but Giermo's the only one who has

550
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 1: like to carry like the grounded heart of it. You know.

551
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,239
Speaker 4: It was just kind of tough because it's like these

552
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 4: guys are so funny and like him being so like

553
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 4: submissive and quiet and like not having to ever go

554
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 4: to their levels, like you still by thought, like they

555
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 4: yelling all the time, they're flying, they're fucking, and Giermo

556
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 4: has to be like completely contained in.

557
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Speaker 3: Keeping after his goals and wishes.

558
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Speaker 2: I mean, your performance is so controlled and it's so good,

559
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 2: it's so excellent.

560
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so hard. It's hard.

561
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure, because like is there like what's the

562
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: challenging part of the process there.

563
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: I think the.

564
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Speaker 4: Challenging part is that it has to be grounded all

565
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Speaker 4: the time, and so I want to be like the

566
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Speaker 4: vampires are I mean, because if I was at that

567
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 4: level of comedy, then it would be like a farce.

568
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 4: This would be like a farce over the time and

569
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 4: everything because they're vampires, so they're living their lives at

570
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 4: their level. I'm a human and so being the only

571
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Speaker 4: human in the show has to be real and the

572
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 4: comedy has to be from watching me be like we

573
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Speaker 4: relate to the ederal because we're all animals.

574
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's happening in the world that were the usual.

575
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 4: Yes, Like if I ever teeter one side and it

576
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 4: becomes two is like I don't believe it. This is

577
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 4: this is stupid, you know, and so it's hard to

578
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 4: like it's Stephie Robinson, one of our EPs was like, yeah,

579
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 4: he's walking like a tight rope.

580
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Speaker 2: You know.

581
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: It's yea to balance it because if you teetered one

582
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: or the other, it doesn't make the show believable. That

583
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:38,719
Speaker 1: is a hard thing.

584
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Speaker 2: It's very hard because I have been in things where

585
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: I get very self conscious about being being like the

586
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Speaker 2: grounded person and being like, oh, I'm not really driving

587
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: the last here, like am I doing something wrong?

588
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: Or it's just harder to gauge what it's going to

589
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: look like or how I did until it comes out.

590
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, because as a comedian, like it's like I have

591
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Speaker 3: to deliver the joke.

592
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 4: But sometimes the best comedy just comes from just every day,

593
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 4: you know, interact with humans and it's like being grounded

594
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 4: and it's like.

595
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: No, definitely it's a funny part, you know, but it's

596
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: hard to know. I mean we talk about this sometimes,

597
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: like especially with actors that seem to really know how

598
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: to do this like intrinsically, but when you're when you

599
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: come from live comedy and when you come from like

600
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Speaker 1: a comedy background and then understanding like how to act

601
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Speaker 1: like a human quote unquote on camera because I don't

602
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: know about you guys, but I mean I think we're

603
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: all like expressive people. Yeah, and the way that I

604
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: would express myself in real life. If I ever do

605
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: that on camera, I know it looks yeah yeahah.

606
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Speaker 4: And I used to have it, like, used to have

607
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 4: like direction when I first started, because I started acting

608
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Speaker 4: musical theater and so when I first started was like

609
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 4: sang out to the back round blah bah blah, it's

610
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 4: bigger than life. And started being on set and like

611
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 4: always being given the note by directors bring it down, yeah,

612
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 4: bring it down, bring it down, because.

613
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 3: I was like, what do you mean bring it down?

614
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: Singing down? So it's like bring it down.

615
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Speaker 4: So like where I find myself doing some of my

616
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 4: best work is doing a character that if you asked me,

617
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 4: like ten years ago, you're gonna be doing this grounded

618
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 4: character that's still funny but it has heart and is grounded,

619
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 4: would have been like that sounds ridiculous, you know, Like

620
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 4: but yeah, and just like the fact that I'm doing that,

621
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 4: that's what's so hard because I'm so not used to that.

622
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 4: So I'm used to like being the big one and

623
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 4: like being the loud one and doing has been completely

624
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 4: the opposite of what I've trained my whole life.

625
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Speaker 2: But now you know you can do both or like

626
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 2: operate like from whatever end of the spectrum. But the

627
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 2: wonderful thing about Kiamo is that like there are no

628
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: sacrifice to last necessarily, like I think Garama has one

629
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 2: of my favorite jokes in the whole show, which is

630
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 2: I don't kiss and tell, but what I can tell

631
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: you is I don't cass like I like, what.

632
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: A great that was improvised, really, Harvey.

633
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Speaker 4: So the final part that you see is like we

634
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 4: already have the most amazing right of course amazing, and

635
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 4: we always do the scripted version, we do a little

636
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 4: bit of notes from upstairs, and then after that so

637
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 4: we call the Funzies, and the Funzies is which just

638
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 4: for funies.

639
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: And when Taka was there the first season and he's a.

640
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: List you went for fun that's one for fun.

641
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 4: It's so fun And I was like funsies because we

642
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 4: called it another set and he goes what and I

643
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,239
Speaker 4: was like Funzies and he's like, okay, Funzies. And from

644
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 4: there on we call it, but we always do Funzies

645
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 4: and at the end of the day when we see

646
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Speaker 4: the Finder product half his Funzies and half.

647
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: A script o fun Are you? Were you a fan

648
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: before I was?

649
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 4: And I'm glad that, Like weird enough, I hadn't seen

650
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 4: the movie when I got the audition, I actually went

651
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 4: it was weird. I went to One and Cheese night

652
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 4: at my friend's house, Mimi. She lives out here in

653
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 4: New York now, but she was in LA with her newborn,

654
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 4: showing up for baby to her family and friends. And

655
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Speaker 4: I went to One and Cheese at the last minute,

656
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 4: and I met a girl there who texted me the

657
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 4: next day and she said, Hey, you're so fucking funny.

658
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Speaker 4: Shout out to sh my fiance's new show. And I

659
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 4: was like, I don't do those kind of films anymore.

660
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 2: No.

661
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 4: They were engaged to Gary Bash was a producer and

662
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 4: later so I was like, sure, I'll buy it. Well,

663
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 4: who's a castader Alison Jones? Why And I've never gotten

664
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 4: because my invitation only, And I was like, I've never

665
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 4: gotten to her office.

666
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 3: I was like, this would be a great way.

667
00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: And she's so cool. A breakthrough break through. Yeah, here's

668
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 1: the thing.

669
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 4: It was because of a friend that I met her

670
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 4: friend who's fiance. I was like totally, like, you know,

671
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 4: nepo baby. I was just I was like, they know

672
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 4: each other whatever. And so I was like, I'll take it,

673
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 4: you know, because the character was twenty five years older than.

674
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: I am, and so I was like, oh, that's right.

675
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: They did not write him as like.

676
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 4: And then I was like, he's been familiar for like

677
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,479
Speaker 4: several decades because he's like times running out and that's

678
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 4: the desperation of gim you could also be desperate at

679
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 4: ten years of you know, of service.

680
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: And so I was like, damn it.

681
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 3: And I was like fuck, and I was like, what

682
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 3: do I do? Okay, I'll just have to like I

683
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: never do this, like dress up for the character.

684
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: Oh you did.

685
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 4: I was like, I have to make myself look older.

686
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: I didn't write it in these stubles. So I literally

687
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 4: put like a little bit of a little wow, and

688
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 4: then I put these Harry Potter glasses. I popped out

689
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 4: the lenses. I never dress up for regular, but I

690
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 4: was like, I have to just make an impression on Alison.

691
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 4: And I didn't know anymals except for like, I was

692
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 4: in my writing partner's house and she had a like

693
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 4: horror book on and I had a like illustration of

694
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 4: Giro on the back with his glasses and his hair

695
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 4: was part in the middle with curls. Wow, and I

696
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 4: was like, I'll do my hair like that. I'm like

697
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 4: insane at this point. I was like, I'm just gonna

698
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 4: like stand out right.

699
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: I wear this long sleeve this brown nasty sweater vest

700
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 3: and I was like, no one on TV would.

701
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: Ever look like this.

702
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: And then you created gear more.

703
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 4: And then I went to the audition and it was

704
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 4: all those moments you know as an actor, like when

705
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 4: you go an audition, sometimes you walk there like I

706
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 4: don't I hope I did okay, but I don't know.

707
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

708
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 4: And so I went to the audition and I was

709
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 4: here to see Alison. I was so excited and I

710
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 4: was like, I'm here to see Alison. Al dress steps

711
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 4: like she's not here and I was like no, No.

712
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 4: I met a girl at a party and she told me.

713
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 4: He's like, no, we know, we've been waiting for you.

714
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: I've met a girl.

715
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 3: Yeah she's not here, she's in London audition.

716
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are the assistance and this is what it is. Yeah,

717
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: so here you go. Microphone on my collar and I

718
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: was like, oh, is she going to see it?

719
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: I sh'll see it in London. She has time.

720
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: And I was just like like did not hear?

721
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 4: And I was like I was like okay, well fuck it,

722
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna do it. And I remember doing it

723
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 4: and at the end looking up at Ben Casting associating

724
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 4: so Harvey and I go, yeah.

725
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: You're going to Hollywood or something. Yeah, but he goes

726
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: the microphone.

727
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: We're done.

728
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 4: The microphone and I was like thank you. And then

729
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 4: I walked out and I was like, I don't know

730
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 4: what I did. My agent calls like what did you do?

731
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know.

732
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 4: An hour later they called. I showed to Allison Taka Jamaine.

733
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 4: Everyone had agreed to test me FX. They'd all seen

734
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 4: the video and they were like, you're the wildcard though,

735
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 4: because you're too young.

736
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: For the WOW. And I made a career of being

737
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 1: the wildcard. Like every role that I can look back at,

738
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: I was.

739
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: I know, are we all used to that? I used

740
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: to be like, you're not the first, You're not the first.

741
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 4: And I made a career out of it, Like I

742
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 4: was like every major role I've gone was not for me.

743
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 4: It was not written for me on paper, it wasn't

744
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 4: supposed to me. And I went in there as a wildcard.

745
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: I was like how about this?

746
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: And then yeah, I guess and then they like it

747
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: or whatever.

748
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 4: So I was a wildcard and I was like I'm

749
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 4: gonna go and I'm just gonna at least get to

750
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 4: me Allison.

751
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: Right.

752
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 4: So weeks go by and I'm not testing. It's Martin

753
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 4: Luking weekend on a Sunday and they start production on Tuesday.

754
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 4: Oh shit, and I haven't heard anything. And I was like,

755
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 4: I didn't get it whatever, and so this number kept

756
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 4: calling me. Eventually I pick it up and it's like, hey,

757
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 4: is this hobby And I was like yeah, hey, it's

758
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 4: talking Jamaine. I was like hey, it's like, oh yeah,

759
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 4: I'm testing for you. It's like, no, you're not testing, mate,

760
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 4: And I was just like, think you for the opportunity.

761
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 4: I wish you know the best, like thinking that we're

762
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 4: gonna be like oh, they're like so much went other

763
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 4: way whatever, Like it was like we'll see on set

764
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: and that's how I booked it. And I was like

765
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 4: with my sister and this moment.

766
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: Was there supposed to be a test, and they just

767
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: decided never mind.

768
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: It was the first time they had voted to test someone.

769
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 4: Everyone else was split, like forty sixty blah blah with

770
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 4: the other actors.

771
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: Why don't even do this?

772
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, why are we testing him? It's the first time

773
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 4: we all agreed that we like somebody love that. That's

774
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 4: so That's how I got it.

775
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: Damn we love it.

776
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: That's like a cinematic sort of.

777
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: It's a Cinderella.

778
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 4: I was Hillard, you weren' Hillard off? Yeah, is she

779
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 4: your favorite Cinderella? That's she came to it was, But

780
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 4: also Brandy, Oh that's the answer. And then yeah, So

781
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 4: it was just one of those moments where and then

782
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 4: we shoot something that's really good. Sometimes you feel like

783
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 4: this isn't gonna go because the thing.

784
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: And so I made the pilot and.

785
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 4: I was like, fuck, this is really good. I really

786
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 4: hope and if it doesn't, it's okay. I'll have the footage.

787
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, my reel. And then we picked up and now

788
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: we're going to season six. That's so cool. It's almost

789
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: better though, to have that experience you have with auditioning

790
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: where they give you nothing, because then you can just

791
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: go about your life like I've left auditions and had

792
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: them be like that was great. The feedbacks go, you're

793
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: even told you're being heavily considered. You don't get it,

794
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh god. But it also it's like,

795
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: I think everyone in the world likes positive feedback and

796
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: to feel like you did a good job, but then

797
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: there's those disappointing moments, which is just the entire business.

798
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I've had the opposite of that too, where

799
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: like I went in there, I know they liked it,

800
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: and I didn't get the role. Like I go in

801
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 4: there and like I remember, I just feel like Sean

802
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: Levy and he was on the floor laughing about this character.

803
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 3: But the character was not right for me. Like I

804
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: knew it on paper.

805
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 4: I knew that I knew exactly who they're looking at

806
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 4: for other actors and stuff. It wouldn't work with me,

807
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 4: And I knew that they wouldn't work with me. But

808
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 4: I can give you my best version of this, Yeah,

809
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 4: And I give him his version and then I was

810
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 4: like it's not I'm not going to get it, but

811
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 4: he was on the floor laughing, walked out, And then

812
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 4: two weeks later they called and.

813
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, he wrote apart for you.

814
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 4: There you go, you know, and it's like, so my

815
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 4: goal is to obviously you want to get the gig

816
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 4: and you want to get the job, but to win

817
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 4: the room impressed.

818
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: In general, you want to win the room, and so

819
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: if you win the room, you'll always work.

820
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 4: And sometimes casting directors are like I would have those

821
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 4: moments and it's like, Harvey, you're gonna do that, you

822
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 4: got it?

823
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, is it really?

824
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 4: Like I know it's not official, but like I mean,

825
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 4: I hate and they say stuff like that, and then

826
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 4: I go home with this like chip on my shoulder,

827
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, I think I got and

828
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 4: then no, call nothing, and then eventually it was like

829
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 4: we do She said no, no, can you check again?

830
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: Your agents have to go check. And then they're like Harvey,

831
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: she said no, and I was like no, and then

832
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: they're like, Harvey, it never happened. You never auditioned, doesn't exist,

833
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: are you?

834
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 4: Well?

835
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: It was you walking around a Dell taco and I

836
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: went and I thought I slay it, and then I

837
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: found out it never happened. That would be a thriller.

838
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: That would be an amazing thriller. That three of us

839
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: are going to start. Yeah, we all go out for

840
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: the same part and get amazing feedback, and then we

841
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: find out that none of us. It's a psychological thriller.

842
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: I love directory Christopher Nolan.

843
00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: Christopher Nolan start production in the phone. Did you get

844
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: shoot shadows in La Toronto?

845
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: That's right there.

846
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 4: So we shot the pilot in l A and I

847
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 4: was so happy because from La born and raised. I

848
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 4: was like, oh, this would be great because every gig

849
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 4: I've been getting before that would be taking me out

850
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 4: like Atlanta, New York, which I love, but it's also

851
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 4: I missed my family and friends, and so I was like,

852
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 4: this would be perfect, perfect. So we get picked up.

853
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my gosh, it got picked up. It's like, yes,

854
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 4: here's the capyat. It's like in Toronto, I was like,

855
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 4: how much out of the year are you shooting? When

856
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 4: you're shooting? So our first season we moved really quick.

857
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 4: We shot ten episodes in nine weeks.

858
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: Wow, that's insane, that's completely It's like and we.

859
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 4: Felt it like we shot ten episodes in nine weeks

860
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 4: because of everyone's scared.

861
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: You're like, what's going on?

862
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 4: So by the end we wrapped Christmas Eve, and you

863
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 4: worked with Thanksgiving because in Canada it's not a holiday.

864
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 4: So they're like, we're working and we're like and so

865
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 4: you FaceTime your family like it was like my first

866
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 4: things Giving not I at home, you know, it's like

867
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 4: everyone yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's just like I feels

868
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 4: so whatever we're doing work, we're being creative. But we

869
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 4: were tired, Like the first season, we were like exhausted.

870
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 4: And after that, I think they caught on the like

871
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 4: maybe gave you like an extra couple of weeks. Yeah,

872
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 4: so they give us an next couple of weeks, and

873
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 4: then the pandemic happens, so they give us an extra,

874
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 4: like a month extra, and so now we shoot the

875
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: whole show in like three and a half months.

876
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: Three and a half months. Yeah, so three and a

877
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: half months in Toronto. And do you like Toronto? Toronto?

878
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: I've become a really big Torontonian, you know, yes, And

879
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: it's cute. It's cute.

880
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 4: I like it, and I built yeah yeah, and all

881
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 4: the summer is beautiful. They really go to the island.

882
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: No, I didn't get to make it out to that.

883
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: I was only it for ten days, but but I

884
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: definitely like went to like some of the spots. Yeah,

885
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: like I went to some restaurant of the village. Yeah,

886
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: I went to the village. So you make your own

887
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: little community there, you know. Yeah.

888
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 4: So it's kind of fun because when I go back Toronto,

889
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 4: shout out to my Toronto friends, like it's.

890
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: Like you make your own community, you go to dinner

891
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: with your friends. Yeah, and I bit there.

892
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 3: You know five, it's half a decade.

893
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, yeah that's wow.

894
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: Wow.

895
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's like half of my you know, decade

896
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 4: was there. So like I made friends and from season

897
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 4: one to season now, like I know their birthdays. We

898
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 4: go this nice to have a family and rarity too.

899
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 4: Now I used to have a show go for that long,

900
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 4: you know, I was. I was just gonna say, I

901
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 4: was like six is like yeah, unheard of, big number.

902
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah it wasn't, you know.

903
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 4: But yeah, I love Toronto and I lived in the

904
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 4: summer during the pandemic. It was tough because they had

905
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 4: no ins and outs because Canada was really like we

906
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 4: were protecting our own, which makes sense, and so when

907
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 4: we got there, we didn't kind of know that. So

908
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 4: when I got there and shot season three, they're like Okay,

909
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 4: so if you leave, you can't come back.

910
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: In like, oh your next season. And I was like,

911
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: oh what.

912
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 4: And then I booked Reacher on Amazon and season one

913
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 4: and they shot in Toronto. So I went straight from

914
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 4: Shadows to season one of Reacher.

915
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 2: Season four Shadows.

916
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: Ten months.

917
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 2: Oh wow, So that was a whole year in Toronto.

918
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna generalize and say that Toronto has some of

919
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: the hottest queer people.

920
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: Second, yeah, absolutely, and great food, like great food, fantastic.

921
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 2: It's like hot, gorgeousqueer people who are like not super

922
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: pretentious about like no, and.

923
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: They don't know how gorgeous.

924
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,479
Speaker 4: The well everyonelways compares Toronto to a smaller, cleaner version

925
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 4: of New York. Yes, where it's like a tiny version

926
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 4: of it, you know. I feel like there's so nice

927
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 4: in Toronto that just really plate.

928
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: We did meet the rudest person in the world in Toronto. Wait,

929
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: when we went for the Sketch Festival there me you,

930
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: Rachel Ninski, I think Amanda Scheckman all went to some

931
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: brunch place near the hotel, Yes, and it was a

932
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: line of Drake. It was not the Drake, but it

933
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: was some nondescript brunch place like by where we were staying.

934
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 2: There was a line outside, and then I was like,

935
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: I took it upon myself. I turned around to the

936
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: group and I go, I'm gonna go in and just

937
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: ask the host, like how long the wait is because

938
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: there's a line. So then I walk up to the

939
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: door and I opened the door, and then some fucking

940
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: asshole in a fedora next to like his mistress whatever

941
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 2: next to his mistress goes, hey, what do you think

942
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 2: you're doing? And I was like, I'm going inside to

943
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: ask how long.

944
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: The wait is.

945
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: And he goes, oh, that's interesting because I don't know

946
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: where you come from, but here we wait in line.

947
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: Okay, so not even rude.

948
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: That feels like it was whatever because he was driven

949
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: to me and Rachel, so is Rachel and I going in,

950
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: and then Rachel Wininsky was basically like, thank you so much,

951
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: You've been so helpful. And then we walked inside and

952
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: now it's how long the wait was? And then guess what,

953
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: we got seated within like ten minutes. But then he

954
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: was literally at the window. This fucking scumbag sticks out

955
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 2: to me. It's like the rudest, worst person ever, sounds

956
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, yeah, very Disney villain.

957
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: That is horrible.

958
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: Isn't that awful?

959
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: But maybe he was visiting.

960
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: Doesn't on it?

961
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

962
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 4: It's like that episode in Sex and the City when

963
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 4: that's scrunchy ladies in line and like he's like, see,

964
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 4: I wrote a growth. She's from New York, so he's like, man,

965
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 4: where are you from? I'm visiting texts. That's what it was,

966
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 4: and that's what person.

967
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, wait that's burger culture culture. Yeah, god, burger.

968
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: This guy was giving burger, but like worse.

969
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: He was, is it?

970
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: I almost can stand behind that.

971
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: That doesn't sound like yeah, that was not me saying like,

972
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: noskeep I'm just saying it's the sight of one of

973
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: the most gregious moments of rudeness.

974
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 3: Was you said Fedora just didn't sing?

975
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: Ye?

976
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: Was he actually wearing a for door?

977
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 4: Yes?

978
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 2: Wow?

979
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: And I just keep a vision like a long like

980
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: he was wearing.

981
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, there may or may not have been.

982
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: In fact, he was.

983
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: He was wearing like the shittiest hat I've ever seen

984
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: in my life. No, I don't like terrible, So.

985
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: You should have just been like, you know, you're sure

986
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: like ship.

987
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna do that next time someone's hed to me,

988
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: will you look fucking stupid?

989
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care. How long is going to be

990
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: at Wendy's. Well you stupid? Oh my god, I'm the

991
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: I see. The thing is like, I don't consider myself

992
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: a confrontational person all until you put but in this

993
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: situation like that, I would. It would be hard. Yeah,

994
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: because there's so many like things and thoughts going through

995
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: your heam like, whoa, what you know? Like what you

996
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: said that.

997
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 3: I was like, it sounds targeted, It sounds kind of racing.

998
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: It's because I know that they were pointing it at

999
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: you and Rachel. I don't think they used the words.

1000
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: I don't know where you came from. If it's like

1001
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: that me totally very triggering, fully like walloped me.

1002
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: But I was just like, oh, but it was.

1003
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: It was along with the rest of like like the

1004
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: energy was just like yeah, whenever someone is being really rude,

1005
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: I feel like I never reacted the moment because it

1006
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: filters through a thing of like, well they possibly be

1007
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: being that.

1008
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 3: That happened to me last week here in New York.

1009
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 4: So it has my birthday and my bother surprised because

1010
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 4: it had never been to the Statue of Liberty, so

1011
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 4: hen'll meet me at Battery Park and we'll go have

1012
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 4: an adventure. So I met him at like one and

1013
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 4: then we got I actually saw yeah, and then he

1014
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 4: saw me and he was like surprise.

1015
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 3: He's like, he told you've never been to Statue Liberty.

1016
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: So I got us.

1017
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: We're getting on the boat.

1018
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 4: We're going to Ellis Island and then we're going to

1019
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 4: go and have lunch out one trade sound it like

1020
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 4: the top of the world, and then after that we're

1021
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 4: going to go to Like he had this whole.

1022
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 3: Thing planned, and I was like so emotional. I was like,

1023
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: oh my god, that's so wonderful.

1024
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 4: And I hugged him and gave him a kiss, and

1025
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 4: in the corner of my eye, I see a gentleman

1026
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 4: and he goes, hey, no, no, no, fuck it. And

1027
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 4: I looked and I was like, I thought I misheard him,

1028
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 4: and I made it and I justified that I didn't

1029
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 4: hear right. There's no way yeah, And I thought, there's

1030
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 4: no way. This is New York City. I'm no, it's

1031
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 4: broad daylight, you know. It's like, no, this is not happening.

1032
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 4: And I looked over it and my boyfriend and excited.

1033
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 4: He's like focusing on me. He's like focusing on me.

1034
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 4: He doesn't even hear the guy, but I can't focus

1035
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 4: on anything else but what he just said. And he's

1036
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 4: saying it again. He's waving like this and he's like,

1037
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 4: you like saying it again, and then he spits at us.

1038
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: Jesus and you guys were attacked.

1039
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 4: And then I looked at him and he's like walking

1040
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 4: away and he spits at it and like the spit

1041
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 4: didn't hit us pretty close. And I looked at my

1042
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 4: boyfriend and he's still so in love and so like

1043
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 4: focused on me. He's like and then we're gonna go

1044
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 4: about And I was like, did you hear what he said?

1045
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 4: And he was like what And he's like he called us.

1046
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 4: He called me fat, and it's like who. And the

1047
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 4: guy had already walked away, and I was like that guy,

1048
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 4: he can spired us. And he's like ignore him and

1049
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 4: I was like I no, I can't ignore her. Yeah,

1050
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 4: And I was just like what And then he's like

1051
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 4: he's so, this is New York City. It's like he's

1052
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 4: probably mentally like ill or like something. It's like I

1053
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 4: don't want to have to justify that someone's using that word.

1054
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 4: He doesn't know me, you know, he doesn't know that

1055
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 4: it's my birthday and I'm having a great time with

1056
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 4: my or that you're a human human you don't know me,

1057
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 4: and you don't get to call me that. You don't

1058
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 4: get to call me that. And a part of me

1059
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 4: wanted to go in and say something and maybe get physical.

1060
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 4: I don't know, but it was so paralyzed. And I

1061
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 4: hate the fact that I was paralyzed with this because

1062
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 4: the word itself sounded like that can't be happening. Not surreal,

1063
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 4: It's it's surreal, and it's like it's like watching a

1064
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: car accident you're a part of or something that you know.

1065
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm in an accident, Like this is happening.

1066
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 4: It's totally to me, and you get frozen. And I

1067
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 4: was frozen, and he walked away and I didn't do anything.

1068
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 4: I just hated myself because I didn't believe it was happening,

1069
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 4: and I was so confused.

1070
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, how come you can't he him?

1071
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 4: I heard, you know, and he was like because he

1072
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 4: was so lovely and like just focusing on the day

1073
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 4: that he had presented in front of us, and then

1074
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 4: he was better than I was in the way of

1075
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 4: brushing it off. But I was like kind of ruined

1076
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 4: the beginning of of course for me. And then he's like, he's, oh, hey,

1077
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 4: look at me. Don't let this ruin the day for you.

1078
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 4: Let's say he was mentally ill. So I was like, yeah,

1079
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 4: but that's not that's not justification, you know.

1080
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: And it also it's like, it's of course a sweet thing,

1081
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: and he obviously wanted to salvage of the day that

1082
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: he had created and like make sure that it was

1083
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: still a happy day.

1084
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: But it's just like it's in your eye line first

1085
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: of all.

1086
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also he he didn't see it and it

1087
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: didn't experienceactly, so it was my happening. And the thing

1088
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: where it really hit me that it.

1089
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: Was it was the spitting.

1090
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: It would have been like, yeah, that's an attack, someone

1091
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: spitting at you, and I couldn't.

1092
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 4: Believe it, and I was like, no, that is what's happening.

1093
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 4: That's and that's when I really kind of like came

1094
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 4: back to and I was like, that is what's happening.

1095
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 4: And then he walked away, and I was like, I

1096
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 4: wish it would have came to me sooner.

1097
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: You always I'm so sorry that that happened, and you

1098
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: always wish later that you could have been the best

1099
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 1: version of yourself in that moment. Are like the sharpest,

1100
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: Like yeah, you know had something to say or I

1101
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: had to. But the thing is, like what they don't

1102
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: talk about is it's like they talk about the fight

1103
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: or flight response, but it's really the fight, flight or freeze. Yeah,

1104
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: that is a totally validated reaction to that, and I.

1105
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 4: Hadn't felt that, and I hadn't felt that since I

1106
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 4: was I mean, this only happened twice in my life.

1107
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 4: Once when I was six and they went to visit

1108
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 4: my my grandm in Mexico, and I was hanging out

1109
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 4: with these kids and I brought my Tonka truck and

1110
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 4: I wanted to play with them, but I was pretty flambuoyant,

1111
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 4: and I brought the toy to play with my new friends,

1112
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 4: and I thought I was gonna have and it was

1113
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 4: our neighboring house, and then my mom said, go play

1114
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 4: with them. You know, I'll share your toys because everyone

1115
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 4: hears privileged and you have toys. So I went to

1116
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 4: play with the toys and these boys were like, we

1117
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 4: can't play with you because our brother says you're a

1118
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 4: Mary Posa, which means you're a butterfly. It's a sorry

1119
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 4: toy word about, like you know, the F word, And

1120
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 4: I didn't understand that, and I was like, what are

1121
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 4: you talking about? Mandy postas are beautiful? It was okay,

1122
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 4: and he's like, we can't play with you. And they

1123
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 4: start chanting the word madyposa over and over, and I

1124
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 4: was like, what are they doing? And I just knew

1125
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 4: it was bad, and I emotionally like couldn't do anything,

1126
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 4: like it's only happened twice in my life, six and

1127
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 4: on my birthday last week and this was this was

1128
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 4: last week last week, and it took me back to

1129
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 4: that six year old where I didn't do anything. I

1130
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 4: grabbed my truck and I walked away and they were

1131
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 4: chanting over and over, and I didn't defend myself because

1132
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 4: I didn't know what it meant, and I didn't know

1133
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 4: how to comprehend, like the feelings that were going through

1134
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 4: my emotions everything. And I looked back and then I

1135
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 4: sees start flying and their rocks, they're throwing rocks, and.

1136
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 3: One of them hits me here and it scars me

1137
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: right here.

1138
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you have a scar.

1139
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 4: And so that was my first experience of being like

1140
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 4: bashed with this word and feelings of like who I

1141
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 4: am is not accept it and it's just like I

1142
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 4: ran home and I was like covered in blood and

1143
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 4: I told my mom, I'm sobbing, and I'm like, they.

1144
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: Call you mighty posta? So who called you many posts?

1145
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: Like they did?

1146
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 4: Why did they call me that? She kept saying, who

1147
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 4: cares what they call you? Maney posas are beautiful and

1148
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 4: they get to fly all over the world. And I

1149
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 4: was I knew she was protecting me because I was

1150
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 4: so young.

1151
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: And even in that moment, you're like, I did I.

1152
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: Didn't happen?

1153
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: I remember, and as an adult you're like, why did

1154
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:57,959
Speaker 1: that happen?

1155
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 4: So that was a six year old and now, like

1156
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 4: you know, last week through my birth, I was just like,

1157
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: how have I come this far? And I still am

1158
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 4: paralyzed when people it's.

1159
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: Just like human brain that it was your response to it,

1160
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: period and that is a valid response to it. And

1161
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: also it's just crazy because like you should be able

1162
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: to express affection in your partner freely wherever. And it

1163
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: is scary though because I also had like a moment.

1164
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: It was probably about a year ago that I kissed

1165
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: someone on the street and someone was walking past us

1166
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: and he said, none of that gay shit. And this

1167
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: was in Chelsea, you know what I mean. So it's

1168
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: like and also you know my ex like he liked

1169
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: to like hold hands on the street and like be

1170
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: affectionate and like kiss in front of people, and I

1171
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: told him at one point, I was like, hey, like

1172
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: if I'm ever like dodging that or it feels like

1173
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: I'm not into it, it's not that I'm not into

1174
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: it or don't want to do it, it's I'm scared.

1175
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: It's because like you know, you hear a lot about

1176
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 1: this happening.

1177
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 3: Been in Times Square like a couple weeks ago. Yeah,

1178
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 3: a couple just want hand and no one did anything.

1179
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: So it was like it's like, I mean a few

1180
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: years ago in the West Village and sorry to upset

1181
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: you know, the readers and everyone listening, but like it's

1182
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: just something that's very real, and I think it's like

1183
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: important that we talk about because you know, we have

1184
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: these like sort of ambiguous things of like, oh it's

1185
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: getting worse, like things are happening, but like specifically like

1186
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: there was someone shot. There was a gay couple. One

1187
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: of them was shot in the West Village. I'm like

1188
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: literally West fourth and six.

1189
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: It's like last summer.

1190
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: It was like a few summers ago, but like it's

1191
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: it's almost like not even the point of when it was.

1192
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: It's just like recently, it happened two gay men in

1193
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: gay parts of a gay city. It's really shitty, and

1194
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry that it happened so recently, and I'm sorry.

1195
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 4: That we have to deal with it, and I'm sorry

1196
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 4: that we have to be We're still sharing these stories

1197
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 4: and they're so like relevant, and it's not like it

1198
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 4: happened years ago.

1199
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Speaker 3: It's like this is happening, you know.

1200
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's like and again this is you know,

1201
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 4: obviously it's pretty heavy, you know, but it's also something

1202
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 4: that needs to be of course, especially with the times

1203
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 4: that we're living in.

1204
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: It's just I think that it's hard to expla lane

1205
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: to someone that doesn't have to, that isn't a scared

1206
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: person when they hold hands or even are in a

1207
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: group of gay friends. Yes, you know what I mean.

1208
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: And this is why when people talk about going to

1209
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: like a gay destination, a queer place, a queer bar.

1210
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: It's like it's a place where you like kind of

1211
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: let that armor drop, and like that's why people are

1212
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 2: obsessed with going to Fire Island. It's because it's like

1213
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: it's a place with like basically no straight people, so

1214
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,959
Speaker 2: you kind of like get to be safe. You're safe,

1215
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: and then therefore that leads to like a nice kind

1216
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: of innocent hedonism where you just start enjoying things and

1217
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: like it's as simple as that, and like I get

1218
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 2: a little self conscious. I'm like, oh, I don't really

1219
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: travel other places too much besides like my Fire Islands

1220
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: and like my this and my that, and I'm just like,

1221
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: but it's just.

1222
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: It's it's a literal safety. Yeah, it's such a bummer,

1223
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: I know.

1224
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I do feel like talking about it helps.

1225
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 4: And I think I think someone listening to us and

1226
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 4: you're sharing that story about with your excent and me

1227
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 4: sharing that story likewise, it's just like it will help

1228
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 4: because we shouldn't live in fear, and I think it

1229
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 4: helps us to share these stories with each other.

1230
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, everyone does have one, even if there's

1231
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: top of mind, like I wouldn't have even it's like

1232
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: your story like made me remember that. But it's like

1233
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 1: it's less about I have a story and more about

1234
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: And I'm sure a lot of people can connect to this.

1235
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure we all do. It's more about there is

1236
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: a baseline feeling of vulnerability at all times. Yea.

1237
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the reason why people are in the closet

1238
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 2: or stay in the closet, or it's a reason why

1239
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: that is a stage. Yeah, in every queer identity is

1240
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 2: that you like have to like make the choice to

1241
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: announce it.

1242
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: To like you know, that's what it is.

1243
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 3: It's like the coming out of the closet in that phrase.

1244
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 4: I always had a problem with it because coming out

1245
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 4: of the closet, it's like when someone quote unquot comes

1246
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 4: out of the closet already know who they are. They're

1247
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 4: sharing that information with your it's not like a surprise,

1248
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,479
Speaker 4: it's that they already knew. They ask themselves these questions.

1249
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 4: So I really think it should be called letting people in.

1250
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 4: I let you in and I because you already know,

1251
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 4: you ask yourself that question, am I queer? And by

1252
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 4: the time you come to like, okay, I'm gonna show

1253
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 4: that information with someone, I'm going to let them in

1254
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 4: knock them out of the closet.

1255
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: I'm going to let them in.

1256
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 4: And what you do with that information is so important

1257
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 4: because it can go terribly wrong. People let people in.

1258
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 4: Look what happens.

1259
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: It should be let them into my walk in. Let

1260
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: them into my walk in. It's actually really culture number eighty.

1261
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: It's not coming out of the closet, it's letting them

1262
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: into my walk in.

1263
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: Now, Harvey, we want you to let us in into

1264
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: this question that we ask all of our guests, which

1265
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: is what is the culture that made you say culture

1266
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 2: is for me? Culture is for you? What is the

1267
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 2: formative piece of pop culture that sort of set you on?

1268
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 3: Well, it's so funny because I think that like a

1269
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 3: lot of young kids who watched Titanic for the first time, YEP,

1270
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 3: I was obsessed with Titanic, and then more with Kate Winslet,

1271
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: and then I went down a rabbit hole and then

1272
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 3: went to see her one of her first films, and

1273
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 3: then I was u sess because of the Winslet, became

1274
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: more obsessed with Melanie Lynsky, Oh my God, I Heavenly Creatures.

1275
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with it.

1276
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 4: I would watch that and I was like, this is

1277
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 4: for me, Peter Jackson is for me. This is for me,

1278
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 4: these young actors who I would just was blown away

1279
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 4: how amazing they were.

1280
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is for me, Like this is the world

1281
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: I want to live in. This is movies and this

1282
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 3: culture is for me.

1283
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 4: And then just going down rabbit hole of films that

1284
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 4: Peter had made and like just like for me, I

1285
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 4: would literally would quote like if someone were having lunch

1286
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 4: or something at the cafeteria and then someone grabs the

1287
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 4: last not shows and like, go ahead, treat yourself.

1288
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 3: It's just like.

1289
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: Your way into Peter Jackson to be creatures. That is

1290
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: so like, of course I know Lord of the Rings,

1291
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: but really Creatures was my way into Peter Jackson. I was,

1292
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: we just had Melanie on the show.

1293
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: But that's why Titanic is important, is because it becomes

1294
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: this and it's a rabbit hole.

1295
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 4: Like it was like it went down and I was

1296
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 4: it started with a Kate and Kate it's amazing, but

1297
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 4: then I discovered Mellingly and oh my gosh, and then

1298
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 4: go down that and I was like, she's so phenomenal

1299
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 4: everything she's done.

1300
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 1: But I'm a cheerleader.

1301
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 3: Like it was just like all this stuff that she's done,

1302
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 3: and it's like that was for me.

1303
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 4: I quote those things with my friends all the time,

1304
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 4: and then it just goes, you know, and then other

1305
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 4: movies as well, like it's just like old like campy

1306
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 4: stuff like you know Baby Jane, Jane, you know, Mommy Daris.

1307
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 4: Of course, it's like, you know, it's queer culture, so

1308
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 4: like queer culture like through that way of like Titanic

1309
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 4: was kind of like what I've learned that the.

1310
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: Six degrees of Kate Winslet leading you into.

1311
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Titanic did give you this understanding of camp I

1312
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: think because the dialogue is I think consciously camp be

1313
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: because it's literally what kikiy Bober was talking about on

1314
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: the podcast where she was like, he has to he

1315
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: has to recoup on these movies. He has to make

1316
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 2: this dialogue as general and is like understandable to every

1317
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 2: to as many people as possible.

1318
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: The inflection on those lines too, like I put the

1319
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: coat on her, put the diamond in the government, like

1320
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 1: all those.

1321
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 4: Lines and just like you know, going down the elevator

1322
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 4: like so iconic. The inflection on those lines were like

1323
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 4: it's just it couldn't have done any.

1324
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: I think it was the first time I ever saw

1325
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: the middle finger used in the elevator, that's actually a pull.

1326
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: I didn't realize I had. But the first time I

1327
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: ever saw the fuck you gesture with the middle finger

1328
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: may have been Titanic, because I was told in a

1329
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: film anyway, because I was told when I was in

1330
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: kindergarten that I was doing it, but without realizing what

1331
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 1: it was, I think, I like, this is before Titanic,

1332
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: But I was having my middle fingers up like this.

1333
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: I guess I just thought it was funny. And my

1334
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: teacher wrote a letter home that I had been using

1335
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: the middle finger, and my parents were so upset because

1336
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: I think they thought I knew what the fuck I

1337
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: was doing. And then when it was two years later,

1338
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: in ninety seven, I saw that and I was like, oh,

1339
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: I get it. It's a crude gesture.

1340
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 2: I've always had a question though, that's so funny.

1341
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.

1342
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 2: I feel like, is that anachronistic? Did the middle finger

1343
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 2: mean that?

1344
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: That's actually interesting question for a historian, And.

1345
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 4: I well, I went down how accurate a lot of

1346
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 4: the things were, and like the actual Remember they're looking

1347
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 4: for them and they're having sex in the car, and

1348
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 4: they guys the like lamps and then you know they

1349
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 4: like they found them.

1350
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 1: Lamps weren't invented until you're after time. Oh my god, Harvey, backup,

1351
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: producer Becker. Can you look up the origin of the

1352
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: middle finger? Okay, this is we're gonna get to the

1353
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: bottom of the bottom of this. That is huge.

1354
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 2: And I had never thought about that.

1355
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was just a year too early, and

1356
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, those weren't in there.

1357
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: That is funny. So what were they using? Torches? Lantern lanterns? Okay,

1358
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: so make sure that we're picking up back here because

1359
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: she's going to deliver the news, all right.

1360
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 5: So, according to the BBC, the Greeks used the middle

1361
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 5: finger as an explicit reference to male genitalia as far

1362
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 5: back as four hundred and nineteen BCS.

1363
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: This is one of the oldest things.

1364
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: So this erect finger sposed to be a penis. So

1365
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: when I pointed at you, it's literally fuck you and

1366
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: oh in the classic times in Greece, like it is,

1367
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: it really is. So it's like the Greece were doing

1368
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: fuck you and also gay sex before anyone else. Can

1369
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: I say you that ancient Greeks would have loved poppers

1370
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: and it's actually really culture number forty nine. I think

1371
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: the ancient Greeks would have loved poppers. I think it's

1372
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: engraved and like when you go into the colise, it's Bible. Now,

1373
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: well it's engraved into our commandments, the rules of culture.

1374
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: So it is so, and so it shall be done,

1375
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: and so it shall be done. So Titanic sort of

1376
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: set you on a course. Then, didn't you become like

1377
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: a little like cinophile, You the person that was like

1378
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: in school being like, I know movies.

1379
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I would go to school and like watch

1380
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 4: and start watching shows that were not like age appropriate,

1381
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 4: Like I was obsessed with Amy Sedaris. Yeah, It's Strangers

1382
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 4: a Candy, where like I would go to school and

1383
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 4: kids would be like, what are.

1384
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 3: You talking about?

1385
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: And I was like packing a musket, you know, And

1386
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: I knew that all actually funny story.

1387
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 4: I auditioned with that monolog for my first musical theater

1388
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 4: Gig Out of School, and I booked it just Jerry,

1389
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 4: with Jerry packing a musket. But it was like when

1390
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 4: you work from home and John's calm the phone, you're

1391
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 4: a collgirl, when you walk with the limp and give a.

1392
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: Cut to a pimp, you're a street you're giving doing please? Yeah,

1393
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: like did the whole thing. I thought it was a joke.

1394
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 4: I did his joke because I was like, I'm not

1395
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 4: supposed to audition one in school. I audition while still

1396
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 4: in school as a joke. And I got it, and

1397
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 4: I moved to Japan for thirteen months.

1398
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, what was your experience living in Japan? I

1399
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: loved it.

1400
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 4: I also got there and you know, I hadn't done

1401
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 4: anything before, so I wouldn't be like play cool professional

1402
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 4: blah blah. And I got there and they gave me

1403
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 4: the script and it was in Japanese and I was like, oh, no,

1404
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 4: I know, I got the Japanese pressure. And they're like yeah,

1405
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 4: it's like we opened in two weeks and it's wait

1406
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 4: what it in Tokyo Osaka?

1407
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 2: Oh?

1408
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: Which then how did it work?

1409
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 4: Because phonetically you say it in Japanese like it's like

1410
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 4: we're not doing an English show in Japan, Like they

1411
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 4: brought American actors.

1412
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: To do show, and so I just completely I didn't

1413
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: have an age or anything. It was just like I

1414
00:55:59,040 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: just got the job.

1415
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 4: And I was like, way, I know when toulu and

1416
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 4: so I had to learn so like, to this day,

1417
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,959
Speaker 4: I had to understudy the wizard with the white wig

1418
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 4: and makeup like it never went on, thank god. But

1419
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 4: I had to learn his song sentimental man. To this day,

1420
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 4: when that song comes out, it goes automatically Japanese.

1421
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: Man, this is for wicked. Yeah, you were a wizard

1422
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 1: and real swing to the way.

1423
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 4: And I was like, which made no sense because the

1424
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 4: show that originally did there was Sesame Street. So I

1425
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 4: was a thirteen year old boy, and I was like,

1426
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 4: how did I go from thirteen to like fifty eight?

1427
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: Like it talent rain, she ranged, she got ranged. So

1428
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 1: to this day, literally when I heard something, it's best thought.

1429
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: Oh so I heard albab there. Yeah, God, that was amazing, amazing.

1430
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: Do you do you pick up and retain? I did?

1431
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 4: While now when I got back and I would hear

1432
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 4: someone like in an elevator of visiting and I was like, oh,

1433
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 4: I was like, and I give him directions and so

1434
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 4: I was like, how did this scow? Like it's like

1435
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 4: I pick up stuff and I say it, and it's

1436
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 4: like if you don't use it, you lose it, especially

1437
00:56:59,200 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 4: that one.

1438
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I to this day it's hard to just

1439
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: go back and like, no, I can still know I

1440
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: haven't used it in years.

1441
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 2: No, yeah, there's a part of your brain that is committed.

1442
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 4: I could pick it up like I could pick it up,

1443
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 4: and I was like, but it's not as like by

1444
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 4: the eleventh month, I was just having full on conversation.

1445
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: What was the Japanese Alphaba giving I've seen the clips

1446
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: of that. Yes, so Japanese?

1447
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 4: Al well, Alphaba was American or Australian. She she was

1448
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 4: an actor from Australia. She actually did Alphaba Wicked in Australia,

1449
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 4: like that's the company shit, So she did it in Japan.

1450
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 4: The only lead that was Japanese was Glinda Cool. So

1451
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 4: the lie that I used to love is like what

1452
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 4: happened when she used her magical not either, I know,

1453
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 4: like it's just like, what happened?

1454
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: Why did you that? I hope you're happy like that.

1455
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: I need love.

1456
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 2: This the craziest thing about any show, but Wicked, I

1457
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: am slightly familiar with, like the international aspect of it

1458
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: because Steven Arimus, who's been like working on the show

1459
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 2: since the beginning, who's working in the movie, Like he's.

1460
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: Literally like traveling.

1461
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 2: He still travels all over the world to be like

1462
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 2: all right, and we got to do it, and like

1463
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 2: you know Hungary, we now we have to do it

1464
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 2: in like you know, fucking Slovakia or wherever. I'm just

1465
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 2: making a place. He literally goes to like Eastern Europe, Asia,

1466
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: like all these places, and it is just like so

1467
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 2: so wonderful, how like international, like musical theater can be whatever.

1468
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: I'm sounding like such a noo it's.

1469
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 4: Like, but it's also some things like phonetically or like

1470
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 4: the dipthongs, like they get lost when translated, so like

1471
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 4: it's like popular is so specific because it goes with

1472
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 4: the pope, so then it's like when you change that,

1473
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 4: it's like something a little bit lost in Wow.

1474
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 2: There are compilations out there of like alphabets from every country.

1475
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've watched nearly all.

1476
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 2: They're all gags every alphabet. There are some Korean alphabets

1477
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 2: that like go off, yeah.

1478
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: Eat, tear and more, eat culture number ninety two. There

1479
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: are some Korean alphabets who eat and more. Oh, Harvey,

1480
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: that's amazing.

1481
00:58:59,000 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: It was.

1482
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 4: I mean, it was my first big gig and like

1483
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 4: I'm glad I did it, and I was just like

1484
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 4: thrown in there. But then going back, musical theater was

1485
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 4: my training, like, but I did end up doing it,

1486
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 4: like I ended up going to TV and film.

1487
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 3: So like looking back, I'm like, but I feel like

1488
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go back to the street.

1489
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: When are you going back to? Yah? Maybe sooner than

1490
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: we think, Oh yeah, how interesting are well?

1491
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 2: Boyfriend's here in New York? Yeah that would be really

1492
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 2: a great Yeah.

1493
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: I found myself like lucky.

1494
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 4: I was like getting work out here this year and

1495
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 4: then spending more and more time here. So because at

1496
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 4: first I was like, let's see how this plays out,

1497
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 4: Like it's like you know, in the relationships early.

1498
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: And you're like, I don't live here, I don't have

1499
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: you guys been together? Five months?

1500
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 2: Oh, you're you're past the three month benchmark, which I

1501
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: think is like my wall. It's like not my wall,

1502
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 2: but it's like the hill I have to crest all

1503
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 2: the time.

1504
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 3: Or six months sorry, six months now six months lat year.

1505
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. That's pretty good.

1506
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 4: If you were to ask me this second month one

1507
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 4: or two, when I was like, Okay, let's see how

1508
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 4: this works.

1509
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: No, totally, you know what I mean.

1510
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 3: But now I'm like, you know what, this is steady,

1511
00:59:58,800 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 3: steady looking for apartments.

1512
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: I'm slooting for apartments at six months. I mean, not

1513
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: like it's helping. He's moving yay. No no, no, no,

1514
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: no helping. But you're part of it in a cubstantial way. Yes,

1515
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: And why wouldn't.

1516
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 4: You be exactly exactly so, because I was like, well,

1517
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 4: you know what, I've just been a lot of time

1518
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 4: here and back and forth.

1519
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 3: It's kind of like killer.

1520
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: It's it's pretty fun here it is. I mean, New

1521
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: York is back. It's back. And we just had this

1522
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: conversation yesterday with a couple of friends, Like the phrase

1523
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: of New York is back for years, It's been said

1524
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: for years, But what I mean is like, and tell

1525
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: me if you agree. New York never left, Like no,

1526
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: for sure left. Like I feel like the pandemic killed

1527
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: New York and then New York was quote unquote back

1528
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: when everything opened up again. But I feel New York

1529
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: was not really back because everything was operating at an

1530
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: eleven and there was like an like I remember I

1531
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,919
Speaker 1: was in like like I stayed in the Lower East

1532
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: Side when I first came here, and it was like

1533
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: everyone was like really frantic about being able to be

1534
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: out again, and there was chaos now it feels like

1535
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: I say, New York is back because we've reverted back

1536
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: to like chill New York. We're not like you know,

1537
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: it's it's not crazy about being able to be Yeah,

1538
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: there was there.

1539
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 2: Was always gonna be an overcorrective like spike up and

1540
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: then now like and now I think the needle is

1541
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,959
Speaker 2: back to like the yes, the center, yeah or whatever

1542
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 2: exactly for those of us who never left New York

1543
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 2: and like put in the hard yards?

1544
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: Is that?

1545
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 2: Am I using that term correctly?

1546
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure? What is hard in the paint? Mean again,

1547
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: hard in the paint means when you're like it's a

1548
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: basketball thing. Yeah, it's like when you're driving down the court,

1549
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: like you're going hard in the paint. Like it's like,

1550
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: am I doing this? Like hard in the paint? It's

1551
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: like when when you are really riding hard for something,

1552
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: Like I use it like I go hard in the

1553
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: paint for Kelly Clarkson. Yea, you know what I mean?

1554
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: Like this year at the Oscars, I went hard on

1555
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: the paint for Michelle Yo. Yeah, you know what I mean,

1556
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: Like that's how you'd use it. Hard during the hard

1557
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: yards is like it's like I've been through ship. It's

1558
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: like Michelle Yo did the hard yards. Yeah, and that's

1559
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: why I go hard on the paint totally.

1560
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: I would say that that kind of works with what

1561
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

1562
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: I think it worked. I think it works the entire ways. Okay,

1563
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: being in the pandemic in New York era was doing

1564
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: the hard gark.

1565
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 2: I feel like I never really called myself a New

1566
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: Yorker until that, until like twenty twenty one, when I

1567
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 2: was like, whoa, I like made It isn't.

1568
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: The rule though, that ten years in New York means

1569
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: you're in New Yorker for life.

1570
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 2: I didn't feel that at ten years.

1571
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: But it's not up to you. I'm saying, like, that's no, no,

1572
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: it is.

1573
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 2: It's a feeling.

1574
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 3: It's a feeling.

1575
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 5: Well, it is the general room of thumb, it's the

1576
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 5: general rule ten years in. But I do feel like

1577
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 5: those that stayed through the pandemic, yeah, earned I feel

1578
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 5: like I earned an.

1579
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: Extrasus achievement in line I knew during the pandemic point

1580
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: and that's a triple point.

1581
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 2: So triple point, that's huge, that's majors, that's multiplier status.

1582
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: I just feel like we did college here and then

1583
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: like all our twenties here and so I here's what

1584
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: I thought. I felt like I could finally call myself

1585
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: a New Yorker when anyone could ask me any question

1586
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: about the subway and I can answer, yeah, that's actually

1587
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: really good, Like anytime you have the subway down, Like

1588
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: if someone comes to you and they are like, how

1589
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: do I get the eat and you can tell them, yeah,

1590
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: you're a New Yorker, baby, you are. Yeah. I mean

1591
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm an Angelina born raise.

1592
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 4: So there's the revolving door of actors and models and

1593
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 4: writers that go through that city every day.

1594
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, how do you feel.

1595
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 4: I feel the same way that it's like after ten

1596
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 4: years we have people were like, I moved here two

1597
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 4: years ago.

1598
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 3: I was like you, I was like, no, I'm I

1599
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 3: lived there, I'm agelin.

1600
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 4: I was like, I've I was born raised here, And

1601
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 4: it's like so honorary at ten years, yes, but before that,

1602
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 4: I feel like it's premature. And that's the thing that

1603
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 4: most actors probably won't stay ten years.

1604
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: You know.

1605
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 4: Most actors get there like not for me, writers uh not,

1606
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 4: or they get outsourced to like Atlanta or New York

1607
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 4: or another or Toronto, you know, because we rarely work

1608
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 4: in LA.

1609
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I did the small part in that

1610
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: movie Lyle Isle Crocodile, and I was on set one

1611
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: day with and they filmed in Atlanta, and I was

1612
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,919
Speaker 1: working with this Atlanta based actress and she was sort

1613
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: of debating a life change because she was pregnant. She's like,

1614
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: I want to raise my kid in LA. But I

1615
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: work so much more here in Atlanta than any of

1616
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: my friends that went to LA because it's so crowded.

1617
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: Like if you're a good actor or performer in an

1618
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: area where they do a lot of shoe it's like

1619
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: I would imagine Toronto like all those Canada local hires

1620
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: and Vancouver everywhere, like it might be beneficial for you

1621
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: to say, especially a big fish in a smaller pond exactly.

1622
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 4: And I have a lot of friends in LA who

1623
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 4: moved to Atlanta and have thriving careers because you're considered

1624
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 4: a local higher you have to put you up and

1625
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 4: drive a fly you over pretty like that gets expensive.

1626
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 4: And if you can make it in LA and continues

1627
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 4: your work, then stay there obviously because you make connections

1628
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 4: with casting directors or whatever. But if you don't, then

1629
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 4: get your jump somewhere else and you might find out

1630
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 4: that that was the road or trajectory you're supposed to.

1631
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: Be built a resume, I say, like, you know what

1632
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: I mean, like come in with a bet with a resume,

1633
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: not just so that you can have a piece of

1634
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: paper that said here's what I've done, but also you

1635
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: can have the experience. And then you go to a

1636
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: big city like LA or New York, and then you're

1637
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: an a list in a list city. No, no, no,

1638
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: I'm just giving you a hard time.

1639
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 2: But do you feel a certain way about moving in

1640
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 2: your like like you're portraying in La kind But I

1641
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 2: feel like.

1642
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 4: Going back to what you said about LA and New

1643
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 4: York being like the top, I think that I'm good

1644
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 4: either or what was behind. But if for whatever reason,

1645
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,959
Speaker 4: you know, career love you know, moves you to Citi,

1646
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 4: well what a great place.

1647
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: To be, right? Can I say what I mean by

1648
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: a list? It's like, here's what I mean to make

1649
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: it like international, It's like Paris, London, Paris, Beijing, you

1650
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like Sydney, like keep going. I'm

1651
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: like Hillary London, there's something.

1652
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 2: Good everywhere and goes and then wow, she had some

1653
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 2: bops didn't she absolutely.

1654
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: Music does not get the no she should be why

1655
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: not shall we transition? Let's transition? So we are now

1656
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: going to transition. What a lovely episode this has been,

1657
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: by the way, it's been so nice to like hang

1658
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: with you. But we're doing I don't think so honey.

1659
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: So this is our sixty second segment that we take

1660
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: something in the culture and we just put it in

1661
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: its place. I'd say we drag it. Yeah, we use

1662
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: the words I don't think so honey about it, which

1663
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: is no greater burn. And I literally in this moment

1664
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: do not have something? But I'm going to think of

1665
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: something within five seconds? Or do you have something? I

1666
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: have something? Then you go okay, okay, right, So this

1667
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: is Bowen Yang's who I'm so lucky to call my

1668
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: best friend, and I'm so lucky to call it it's his,

1669
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: it's his. I don't think so many time starts now,

1670
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey.

1671
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 2: Johnny Depp just got signed on a twenty million dollar

1672
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 2: deal with di Or for a men's fragrance thing. Who

1673
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 2: wants to smell like him? Do you look at Johnny

1674
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 2: Depp and go, I bet he smells good. I think

1675
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 2: it is giving greasy, it's giving unwashed, no problem, that's

1676
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,919
Speaker 2: his whole thing, no problem, But that's his whole thing. Yeah,

1677
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 2: that's my point exactly, is that like, this guy can't

1678
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 2: be paid that much money for a thirty secres campaign

1679
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 2: because when they're right, mind wants to smell like that

1680
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 2: and do your I I wish for better because normally

1681
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 2: you nail it on the fragrance people you sign, I

1682
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 2: still remain. We all knew where we were when Charlie's

1683
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 2: there and ripped off her gold dress, her pearls. What

1684
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 2: of the fuck for for her? You know, Jador, Natalie

1685
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 2: Mistor who could forget mademoiselle? Thank you, Johnny. I feel

1686
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 2: like it's not aspirational.

1687
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. Now. I know what I'm gonna do,

1688
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: and it's a directly relevant to yours, and we're gonna

1689
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: go right in. Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't

1690
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: think so many his time starts now. I don't think so, honey.

1691
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp's fragrance that was called sauvage. It looks like sausage.

1692
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: Sausage when you look at the word, it looks like sausage.

1693
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: And so then not only are you opting into a

1694
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: fragrance that says smell like Johnny Depp, which I agree

1695
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: with my sister, I don't think so honey. But then

1696
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: I really don't think so honey, that it's one word

1697
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: away from sausage, which we love to eat and smell,

1698
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: but not in a fragrance capacity, in a breakfast capacity.

1699
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey, sausage smelling like you. Hey,

1700
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: come here, check clop my neck. It's sausage. Get out

1701
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: of town. Hello. I don't think so honey, this idea

1702
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: that's sauvage and Johnny Depp isn't gonna be gnarly on

1703
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: the ears because guess what. Fifteen seconds then I was

1704
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: gifted the fragrance. It's a really good fragrance, and I

1705
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: wear it a lot, and then I have to say

1706
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: they'd say what are you wearing? And I have to

1707
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:30,560
Speaker 1: say I'd be humiliated when I say, Johnny Depp sausage.

1708
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey.

1709
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 2: That's one minute. Oh girl, you are so you are

1710
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 2: so right for that one twenty million dollars. I'm just confirming.

1711
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 2: I was like, that number can be right.

1712
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: Just check twenty million, twenty million dollars to do what

1713
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 1: like being a couple of pictures.

1714
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 2: Being a couple of pictures? Do an add I have

1715
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 2: some what do they call it? Like principal days or

1716
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 2: something like days where you have to Really I don't

1717
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 2: get this because is.

1718
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp's demographic, which I'm gonna assume is largely male.

1719
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 1: Are they buying this fragrance for themselves? Because that's another

1720
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: thing to think about. It is it's like or is

1721
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: it like the people? Yeah, what do you just straight women.

1722
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 4: The demos like women who would love to like put

1723
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 4: it on a scarf from like m smells like.

1724
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 2: Yes, or let's just do women still like will keep

1725
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 2: it to straight people. But yeah, it might be women

1726
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 2: buying it for their fucking boyfriends.

1727
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 3: That's true.

1728
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: They want them to feel like a superstar. That smells

1729
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: like I don't know.

1730
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 2: But as we all know, he's not a good partner,

1731
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 2: he's not a great like, he's not gonna be the

1732
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 2: best boyfriend in the world to you.

1733
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 3: I think it's his brand recognition at this point.

1734
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 1: It's like recognition. Yeah, you know what will shake you

1735
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: is like going to parts of the Caribbean and on

1736
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: the ride and like Johnny Depp is just all over it. Still.

1737
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: I get it, like he ultimately was, like I guess

1738
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: uncanceled by the whole thing because like he was found

1739
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,799
Speaker 1: that that whole court case quit dark Mark history.

1740
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 2: But like it's just odd that like it's still so

1741
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 2: present that it's interesting to me that Disney is like,

1742
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 2: no problem, keep him there.

1743
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: No, I think the right wind arc well that was happening.

1744
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 1: I remember, Oh really did it really?

1745
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 4: Did they do a quote unquote refurbishing then, yeah, which

1746
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 4: I think they might have just like but when and

1747
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 4: then as soon as interesting thing it came out, it.

1748
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: Was like it's back you know what that because they've

1749
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: had to do and you know what the thing is

1750
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: with that particular attraction is they've already done so much

1751
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: work to like make itta problematic because famously used to

1752
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 1: have those things. Is like he's rocking back and forth.

1753
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: Well now, okay, so rock and Roller Coaster is Arrowsmith

1754
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 1: and that ride is down and a lot of people

1755
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: think it's because Stephen Tyler had allegations. And then I

1756
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: think about like all those actors in the pre shows

1757
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: and stuff, and it's like you have to really ride

1758
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: hard for these people to put them in your thing

1759
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 1: for for all of time and make sure that it's

1760
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,560
Speaker 1: not weird, Like, is there an example of that of like,

1761
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: I mean, Felicia shod dinosaur is it's not like an

1762
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: egregious thing, but it is like, okay, well you've got

1763
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: to build Cosby Apologist, And every time I see it,

1764
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 1: I'm like, she Bill Costoo, but she's also Felie shot

1765
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 1: and playing the pre show dinosaur.

1766
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's someone at Disney who like, does the

1767
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 2: account the goodwill accounting for all of their pre show talent.

1768
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 2: They're like, well, how much do people love this person?

1769
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 2: And how do we weigh that against like the ship

1770
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 2: they've done and said, well, and.

1771
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: Honestly, it's now like really topical because of the Jonathan

1772
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: Majors of it all right, right, like the Jonathan Majors

1773
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: of the and it keeps getting worse. We will see, hey,

1774
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,560
Speaker 1: so we basically have done one joint. I don't think so,

1775
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: honey about Johnny Depp and his fragrance trajectory. If yours

1776
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: is in the same area, that's wonderful. If it's not

1777
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:42,759
Speaker 1: still sleigh, okay, mine is hold on, we're gonna count away.

1778
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: And this is Harvey Gian's I don't think so, honey,

1779
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 1: time starts now musicals in plays that take several days

1780
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: to watch, I don't think so.

1781
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 4: Whoa Okay, I'm getting If I have a weekend in

1782
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,799
Speaker 4: New York, I want to see something beautiful, something artistic.

1783
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:58,640
Speaker 4: And if you have to now take two of my

1784
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 4: days to go see this play, in this musical, I

1785
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 4: don't think so many. Yeah, and it's starting to just

1786
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 4: it's in out of control. It's just like, you know,

1787
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 4: it's started. I feel like in the West End and

1788
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 4: it's moving over here, and it's just like I love

1789
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 4: musicals and I love watching theater, but it's hard enough

1790
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 4: to sit through a theater production for three hours.

1791
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 3: And then the three hours is like, okay, I got it,

1792
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 3: it'd be thirty second.

1793
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 4: And I just don't want to be coming to New

1794
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 4: York so often that I my time is consumed with

1795
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 4: sitting on a chair watching two productions that that took

1796
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 4: three weeks to watch, you know, just because the first.

1797
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 3: One's on Tuesday, the next one on Wednesday.

1798
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 1: If you don't get tickets for a Thursday, you're not

1799
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: gonna watch a Saturday matinee. And if you don't, I

1800
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: just I don't think.

1801
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 4: So, honey, we let's go back to just beginning, middle,

1802
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 4: and end in one city so I can watch several

1803
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 4: shows all at one time, because otherwise I don't think

1804
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 4: so honey, five seconds, okay, you.

1805
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 3: Know what, just stop, just stop stop. I don't think that.

1806
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: Yes, perfect, it's a huge logistical ask.

1807
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 3: It is my time, and then I want to see

1808
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 3: the craft.

1809
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 4: But also if it takes you that long and it's

1810
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 4: gonna be two days, it's like, is this like a

1811
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 4: destination wedding?

1812
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1813
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 2: Right, is this the destination wedday?

1814
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: I would do it if it was like the Saturday

1815
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: matinee and then the Saturday evening performance. But then I

1816
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: guess you can only do it once.

1817
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 4: A week exactly, and that takes your whole day, and

1818
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 4: then you have to go home and like decompress it. Wow,

1819
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 4: that was really crazy and heaven and then wow, and

1820
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 4: then so your whole day and weekend now revolves around

1821
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 4: this production. And then you're like, oh, I missed someone's birthday,

1822
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 4: you know, like oh I miss Mother's day.

1823
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you start missing life that what have

1824
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: you seen? That's like this?

1825
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,919
Speaker 4: Did you see the Harry Potter and Harry Potter and Angels,

1826
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 4: and some people are like, I love the first half

1827
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 4: and not the second one. I don't want to wait

1828
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 4: till the second half to find out in like the

1829
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 4: you know the second right, it's like, Okay, I'm in.

1830
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 4: I'm gonna come back and then leave disappointing and be

1831
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 4: like I could have done with just the first totally.

1832
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 1: I could, Well the first half that would be good,

1833
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 1: because I'm telling you, if I am sitting for two

1834
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: and a half hours of the first act and it's

1835
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 1: not good, I'm not coming down. Well that's my question.

1836
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 3: How many of those seats are empty for the second part?

1837
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 4: Well?

1838
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 2: I did this once. It was a Sunday between SNL shows.

1839
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 2: SNL weeks so exhausted, but I had tickets to go

1840
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 2: see both parts of the Inheritance and Lovely Show. It

1841
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 2: was just I was just like, I've been here for

1842
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 2: seven hours. This is my whole day.

1843
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, life is too short.

1844
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 2: Life is too short, And it was like my only

1845
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 2: day off. And I kind of do think that corrupted

1846
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 2: my mindset going into the show.

1847
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 3: And did it go into the next week because you

1848
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 3: weren't for the rest of maybe.

1849
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 2: And it fully went into the next week.

1850
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:22,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

1851
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And it's an extra ticket and it's whatever,

1852
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 2: it's all that stuff.

1853
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: So like often these shows are intense, yeah, you know

1854
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like it deals with subject matter

1855
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 1: that's like, okay, not not only am I seeing a

1856
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: play that's this, but the play is super si Yeah.

1857
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 4: And then now it's not like going to see music

1858
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 4: over like that was so much for for eighteen hours.

1859
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 4: Like it's just like, because if you're gonna have fun,

1860
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 4: let's wrap it.

1861
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: Up, you know what I mean.

1862
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 3: But it's gonna be a moving moving it's just like

1863
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 3: it's a lot and heavy.

1864
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: And then it carries over to the next week.

1865
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 3: What was your thought like process Monday morning?

1866
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.

1867
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 3: It's just like, oh I have to go back to wait,

1868
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 3: but why did she say that?

1869
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean, here we are.

1870
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: We're literally saying, like the ideal length of a film

1871
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: is like eighty eighty six minutes. Yeah, Like we saw

1872
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: a movie the other night, Josh and Aaron Jackson's new movie.

1873
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: We saw early screening eighty two minutes. Eighty two minutes.

1874
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: We were like perfect, Oh my god, yeah.

1875
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 2: Not a minute wasted, not a minute over asked overdone.

1876
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: Every movie should be a typical length of like a

1877
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: House of Dragons. Well that's too long, which is too

1878
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,719
Speaker 1: long for a tea for a TV show, right, very important.

1879
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: Every movie should be succession.

1880
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 4: I fall into like the TV shows where like I

1881
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 4: forget that it's not just an hour thirty minutes and

1882
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 4: he lost like ninety minutes and you're like, oh shit,

1883
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 4: that was really good. Oh my god, like I lost

1884
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 4: track of time, like yeah, like sometimes and they I

1885
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 4: just don't think they advertise it. It's like stay tuned

1886
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 4: for the next ninety It's like you watch an episode,

1887
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 4: you think it's an hour, sixty minutes or thirty minutes.

1888
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: Some of these shows are.

1889
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 2: Going on for long, and you know what's getting me.

1890
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 2: I'm hitting pause all the time.

1891
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: I go, oh, my food's here. Oh, and then to

1892
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: get back into it, ye yeah, and then you might

1893
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 1: rewind a little bit.

1894
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,719
Speaker 4: I get rewind, yeah, because I forgot And then sometimes

1895
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 4: the recap I forgot everything because it's been so long,

1896
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 4: or I didn't want to watch it the next day

1897
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:06,799
Speaker 4: unless I'm binging it, and it's.

1898
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 1: Like what, I don't know, you know what else? I

1899
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,759
Speaker 1: don't think sonny, I don't think Sony is skipping the recap.

1900
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 1: I need the recap. The recap has to happen because

1901
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: it makes me realize I didn't remember any of that stuff.

1902
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 1: I have to go back to maybe see it again.

1903
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 1: Didn't remember. And also the recap gives you hints as

1904
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: to what's gonna happen in the episode, and so you're like, oh,

1905
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: these are the threads that are gonna slay, Like what

1906
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 1: my favorite thing is about succession If in the recap,

1907
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: if Willa is in the recap, I'm like, sleigh episode,

1908
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 1: Willa is going to be in the episode because I

1909
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: ride so hard for Willa.

1910
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 2: But you know which show is not doing that? What Survivor.

1911
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 2: Survivor is not giving me the recaps. They used to

1912
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 2: do it, but they're not anymore, and I think it's

1913
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 2: I think it's very important that they do it because

1914
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 2: sometimes I go, oh, who is who voted for who?

1915
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: Again? Oh right, Oh, who's like on what team?

1916
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 2: It's that kind of thing.

1917
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: So I guess by the time this airs, like Survivor

1918
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: will have ended. But like, yeah, but Survivor's having an

1919
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,759
Speaker 1: incredible season. But I still have my same thoughts about Survivor,

1920
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,600
Speaker 1: which just two things. One yes, it's way more than

1921
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: two things. But two of the things are one yes,

1922
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: give me a previously and also two I miss when

1923
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: the jury members would walk in, Oh I missed on

1924
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: the jury where like and joining us is Candace voted

1925
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 1: out last week and then you'd see like and she

1926
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: would like have a sour look on her face, but

1927
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 1: she would But like what I loved was when the

1928
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: girl voted out, we're clean and got a blowout, had

1929
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 1: a nice meal. Yes, like whenever, whenever you see like

1930
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: a hot guy that was voted out and like you

1931
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: see that they've cut their beard or whatever, Like you

1932
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 1: see them at the moment of them coming in and

1933
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: sitting down and looking at the people that voted them out,

1934
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:43,679
Speaker 1: and they're hot now, and it's kind of scary.

1935
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,640
Speaker 4: The facial expressions yes, yes, yeah, it's like, oh I

1936
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,799
Speaker 4: did sendy homes like I'm back, yes expression.

1937
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 1: I miss so much about old versions and I still

1938
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: love SRIB but old versions of Survivor, Like, we're not

1939
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: on the glory days right now, and it's okay, but

1940
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 1: it's a great season, great season, and Carolyn is a star,

1941
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: a star. We don't know yet if she wins. We

1942
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,879
Speaker 1: fucking hope. So, but are you into Survivor.

1943
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Speaker 3: I started watching Vivor when I was in high school

1944
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 3: and then I kind of like went out of it.

1945
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's understanding back in a big way. It's back

1946
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: in a big way. It's so much content. It's back

1947
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 1: in the way. New York is back. New York and

1948
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: Survivor are both back. It's actually real culture number thirty.

1949
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: New York and Survivor are both back. So I'm gonna

1950
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,879
Speaker 1: move to New York and start watching it. Perfect.

1951
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Speaker 4: Then you'll be actualized and then I can actually well

1952
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,600
Speaker 4: you can watch it in your pork gosh, yeah, with

1953
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 4: your men.

1954
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 1: God.

1955
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 2: I had so much fun this is and we're gonna

1956
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 2: hang more tomorrow. Oh that's right, the Glad because Harvey

1957
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 2: is hosting the Glad Awards. We're so excited. Congrats Lost

1958
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 2: couch ESA's podcast was nominated. Let's see if we keep

1959
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 2: picking up that hardware we are of course, I Heeart

1960
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 2: Radio is best podcast of the year.

1961
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: Snow by the Webbies and uh now by the Queer Ties, No.

1962
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 2: By the Queerities as usual as usual. Yeah, I don't

1963
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 2: know a single person who's won a querity, just kidding.

1964
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: Uh, do you know Nicole Bayer?

1965
01:18:58,439 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 2: I do know.

1966
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 1: I think she's won five five thousand querties. I think

1967
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: I was just two nights ago. Yeah, she's one about

1968
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: she's one approximately five thousand y she's the best. Oh,

1969
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: I can't think of anyone more fun to have it

1970
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: a karaoke she's oh no, I do not sing like

1971
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: she's but she but she is good presence. She was

1972
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 1: probably very supportive. So did she bring her querities? There

1973
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: were rooms? There probably wasn't room. There is probably a

1974
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: warehousetis she has the archive house. I get it, I

1975
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: get it. This is incredible. Thank you so much for

1976
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 1: having me. Oh my god, this is a blast. And

1977
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: Bowen Yang. What do you say we end this episode

1978
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: like we do every single one with a song? I say, yes,

1979
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: talking this is saming on everywhere. You know, wake Up

1980
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: by Hillary?

1981
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 2: I don't know it between the wake up wake up songs?

1982
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: Do you know hey now, hey now this.

1983
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 2: Is what.

1984
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: To hear that watch? Yeah, I guess I don't know

1985
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 1: why I wanted to. I think it could be from

1986
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,799
Speaker 1: No it's lidiamgwith because it's it's when she's remember that crazy.

1987
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 1: I think it was Lida mcguarsteine when she turns into

1988
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 1: like Italian versions Sporst. But do you remember when Rita

1989
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: played like the Italian version of rust Off, but she

1990
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:23,679
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm not this. She had this from Mario.

1991
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Speaker 1: She did

1992
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Speaker 2: That