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Speaker 1: Welcome to this League uncut. Can you rule of twenty

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Speaker 1: four hour NBA News. This's you, Chris Haynes. It's so time,

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Speaker 1: work's time, It's so time. This League Uncut is underway

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Speaker 1: and on fire.

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Speaker 2: This should be a good one.

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Speaker 3: Hey, everyone, welcome in to a special solo edition of

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Speaker 3: this League Uncut. Mark Stein here with you with a

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Speaker 3: special treat While Chris Haynes is in transit to his

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Speaker 3: next glamorous assignment, I had the absolute tremendous privilege to

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Speaker 3: visit with true NBA royalty, the legendary George Gervin, the

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Speaker 3: Hall of Famer member of both the NBA's fiftieth and

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Speaker 3: seventy fifth Anniversary teams. Man year old Mark Stein is

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Speaker 3: pinching himself right now because George Gervin was one of

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Speaker 3: the true giants of the game when I began to

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Speaker 3: be seduced and mesmerized by the NBA. We're talking mid

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Speaker 3: to late nineteen seventies. George has a new book out

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Speaker 3: Ice Why I Was Born to Score. It's from Triumph Books.

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Speaker 3: He co wrote it with my former ESPN teammate Scoop Jackson,

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Speaker 3: So the iceman. He joined me to talk about his

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Speaker 3: motivation for doing the book. We got into the genesis

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Speaker 3: of his famed finger. Roll couldn't resist asking for his

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Speaker 3: take on Victor Webbinyama as Victor Webbin Yama's regular season

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Speaker 3: debut draws Near. Talked about how much of the modern

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Speaker 3: NBA he consumes and other important historical stuff. I really

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Speaker 3: think when you listen, you're going to be able to

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Speaker 3: pick up the app solute joy in my voice. I

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Speaker 3: can't help it. This is how I get when I

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Speaker 3: talk to players from the nineteen seventies. I'm a kid

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Speaker 3: again when I get to visit with these guys and

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Speaker 3: it's their basketball cards coming to life for me. And

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Speaker 3: it really does bother me so much that the history

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Speaker 3: of the game pre nineteen eighties has been so poorly preserved.

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Speaker 3: And that's another reason why I love talking to players

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Speaker 3: from this generation and telling their stories. I mean, we

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Speaker 3: talk about this in the interview as well. On the

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Speaker 3: last day of the nineteen seventy seven to seventy eight season,

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Speaker 3: which was really the first season that I was plugged

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Speaker 3: was going on that season, George Gervin and David Thompson

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Speaker 3: engaged in the greatest scoring race duel this league has

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Speaker 3: I actually remember following. Had to do it all on

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Speaker 3: heard before. There's no footage of this. You can't go

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Speaker 3: three points and George Gervin answers with sixty three to

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Speaker 3: win the scoring title. So we get into all that,

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Speaker 3: you guys can tell I'm absolutely giddy here. It is

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Speaker 3: my visit with no further delay, my visit with the iceman,

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Speaker 3: George Gervin. This everyone is an absolute treat. Nine year

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Speaker 3: old me honestly cannot believe this is happening. The Mavericks.

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Speaker 3: They open the season Wednesday night at San Antonio. And

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Speaker 3: when you think of the Spurs, especially if you live

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Speaker 3: Victor Wembinyama. But before all of them, before all of that,

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Speaker 3: For someone like me who fell in love with the

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Speaker 3: iceman right there with Doctor J and Bob McAdoo, as

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Speaker 3: the most feared scorer of his generation, and in no dispute,

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Speaker 3: one of the most impossibly cool players we have ever

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Speaker 3: a tremendous honor for me to say that the George

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Speaker 1: What a what an introduction? Hey, how you doing? Good?

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Speaker 1: Good to hear from you, mo man it is.

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Speaker 2: It is so good to be with you. And I

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Speaker 3: And you know you last played in an NBA game

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Speaker 3: since NBA fans had a chance to watch you unleash

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Speaker 3: the finger roll. So what what made you want to

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Speaker 1: Well, I was approached, you know, I mean I never

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Speaker 3: I have to ask about the finger roll because it's

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Speaker 3: it's rare when an NBA player becomes synonymous with a

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Speaker 3: But when if someone says finger roll to me, that

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Speaker 3: is George Gervin's shot. Is that something you learned you're

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Speaker 3: born with? Like, how did that shot evolve? And what

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm in the pros. I mean, I didn't really

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Speaker 1: I mean it became part of my game. So again

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Speaker 1: when you say finger roll, yes, first thing, most people

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Speaker 1: you know person do a finger role. So I am

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Speaker 1: finger role. Now that's incredible to me because I never

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Speaker 3: I love though that you paid homage to both Wilt

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Speaker 3: a great reminder that you know, there is so much

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Speaker 3: why that's why I'm so excited to talk to you today,

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Speaker 3: because you know, I'm a child of the seventies and

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Speaker 3: as well. Do you like watching today's NBA?

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Speaker 1: I do? I mean think about it that I like

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Speaker 1: it because I know I'm a part of the foundation,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that today's analysts talk enough about the

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Speaker 1: is today. So yes, I enjoy watching it. I enjoy

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Speaker 1: Because you think about it. When I played in the

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Speaker 1: me to be able to see the game change like that,

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Speaker 3: When you watch today's NBA, how often do you think

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Speaker 3: to yourself, what would my career have been like had

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Speaker 3: the three point shot been so accepted the way it

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Speaker 2: It was a very it was. It was just taken

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Speaker 1: Well, it's still a bad shot. I mean, probably one

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Speaker 1: I like taking good shots. You know, if you do

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Speaker 1: didn't take a lot of three point shots. But see,

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Speaker 1: I'm from a league, the ABA that had the three

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Speaker 1: I'm going we talked about history. I'm still proud to

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Speaker 1: These guys can shoot the ball so deep, but it's

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Speaker 1: still entertainment. You know, the game is still entertaining, you know,

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Speaker 1: to be able to see like Seth Curry shoot the

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Speaker 1: So you know, I'm excited to continue to watch the game,

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you set me up now, because that's exactly

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Speaker 3: where I want to go next. Victor Wenbanyama, tell me

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Speaker 3: you're early impressive of him, because as you mentioned, you know,

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Speaker 3: you you have seen.

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Speaker 2: All the greats. You saw Wilt in his prime.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's safe to say with Victor webber Yama,

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Speaker 3: we have never seen a man of this size move

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Speaker 2: And do some of the things that he's doing on

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Speaker 1: You know, we get ready to see another evolution. We're

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Speaker 1: getting ready to experience the game changing again with young

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Speaker 1: men coming in like Victor. You know, he's special For me.

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Speaker 1: I don't look at his size, but I do look

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Speaker 1: at his side. But he played not like a guy

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Speaker 1: that's steven five. I mean he played like a six

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Speaker 1: He stretched over you and dunk. This is an exciting

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Speaker 1: time for the NBA, see because you got that boy

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Speaker 1: in Oakland. I mean not Oakland, Okay, ce Chat right,

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Speaker 1: Chat holder, who's another seven foot that can handle that

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Speaker 1: can shoot it, that understand how to play. You got

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Speaker 1: three like forwards and stuff. So we're getting ready to

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Speaker 3: I look at this book cover and it's you know,

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Speaker 3: Anyone my age, we all love this poster of you

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Speaker 3: One of the revelations in your book, you talked about

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Speaker 3: You did, And like I said, we can talk about

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Speaker 3: as you, George Gervin. It has been an absolute pleasure, sir,

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Speaker 3: to speak with you on this show. I wish you

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Speaker 3: all the success with your new book. Can't wait to

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Speaker 3: see the new doc. I did think of one last

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Speaker 1: You know, you think, but then you know, you really

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Speaker 1: That it would have been nice to see. But as

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Speaker 1: of them unfortunate situations. Man. But when we have people

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Speaker 1: that's enough for me.

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Speaker 2: Well, you are absolutely right.

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Speaker 3: I was a Buffalo Braves fan and hav the check

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Speaker 3: single bucket. David Thompson scores seventy three points to take

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Speaker 3: to snatch it back. An incredible end to the seventy

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Speaker 3: seven seventy eighteen and George, thanks again so much for

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Speaker 1: Hey, I appreciate you, man, and I appreciate your love man,

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Speaker 1: as you showed me all these years.

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Speaker 3: for the season ahead, season number seventy eight for the NBA.

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