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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 2: that brings you the secret histories and little known fascinating

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Speaker 2: facts and figures behind your favorite movies, music, TV shows

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Speaker 2: and more. We are your two PiZZ of pedantry. I'm

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Speaker 2: Alex Heigel, but Tunia's of Pedantry, and I've Jordan run

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Speaker 2: Talk and today, Jordan, we are talking about one of

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Speaker 2: the odd ducts of Nickelodeon's nineteen nineties Heyday.

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Speaker 1: Although weren't they all They all in a beautiful way.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk more about that.

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Speaker 2: What a great era, though the exceedingly strange sitcom that

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Speaker 2: baffled parents and children are like, that's right, we're talking

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Speaker 2: about the Adventures of Pete and Pete. I was not

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Speaker 2: like a huge fan of the show. In fact, I

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Speaker 2: think I was just completely baffled by it. I don't

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Speaker 2: think my brain had fully evolved enough. You had a

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Speaker 2: had more cranial space to process.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think my frontal.

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Speaker 2: Lobe was developed enough to fully take in it's sort

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Speaker 2: of surreal and mundane blend. But watching clips of it recently,

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Speaker 2: I've really and several episodes are available on YouTube with

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Speaker 2: Hungarian subtitles, and I think that's one of the only

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Speaker 2: ways you can see it right now. It's not on DVD,

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Speaker 2: it's on DV, there's physical LEAs, but I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's streaming. I don't think it's even streaming on whatever

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Speaker 2: paramount is the I think paramount is the Nickelodeon streamer.

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Speaker 2: But I've really come to appreciate its unique appeal and joys.

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Speaker 2: I mean, for starters, it's a show that opens with

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Speaker 2: a cold open about a character going to the beach

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Speaker 2: to quote beat up the ocean, not because he's angry,

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Speaker 2: but because he's mad that summer is ending.

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Speaker 1: He's not mad at the ocean. I find it hard

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Speaker 1: to believe that you didn't do that. Well.

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Speaker 2: Then it proceeds directly into a credit sequence in which

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Speaker 2: a metal plate in his mother's head gets its own credit.

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Speaker 2: So that show is.

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Speaker 1: Rubber tattoo And well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Petunia, but no, that show is rubber stamped into

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Speaker 2: a hard win for me, solely off those two things

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a very special show for me because

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Speaker 1: I was a big fan of Nicket Night and all

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Speaker 1: send up of all that, of all those kind of

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Speaker 2: B which the creative team came out of the promo

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Speaker 2: when Nickelodeon was rerunning those shows. So that's certainly I

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Speaker 2: think that's a valid observation, makes so much sense.

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Speaker 1: This was also probably the closest to grunge that I

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Speaker 1: ever really got at the time, in the early nineties.

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Speaker 1: I mean, which I guess I'm basing purely on Little

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Speaker 1: Pete's Holden call Field plaid hat maybe, And it definitely

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Speaker 1: there was a strong Pacific Northwest vibe in that show.

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Speaker 1: Pete's Pete specifically, I remember that there were elements of

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Speaker 1: it that kind of made me sad. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you picked up on that very much by design. Actually, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Peete's grounded and he tunnels through the yard using a

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Speaker 1: statue of Liberty toy or something. Back in the news

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Speaker 1: in a big way this week, Baby for Time, we

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Speaker 1: are nothing if not zeitgeisty, my friends. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: just it almost felt like you were watching a sitcom

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Speaker 2: No, I did remember watching it. I just remember like

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Speaker 1: I love. I loved all the live action stuff. I

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Speaker 1: love Salute your Shorts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah this I do remember Salute your Shorts, mostly because

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Speaker 2: of the theme song. The show Pete and Pete The

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Speaker 2: Adventures of pet and pt is centered on the Wrigley family,

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Speaker 2: who live in the fictional suburb of Wellsville, which is

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Speaker 1: Again Pacific Northwest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, it actually does kind of give those vibes.

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Speaker 2: And the brothers Big Pete played by Mike Marana and

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Speaker 2: Little Pete Danny Tamborelli, and their parents Dawn played by

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Speaker 2: Hardy Rolls and Joyce Judy Grave. One key aspect of

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Speaker 2: the two lead characters share just that one name, which

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Speaker 2: They are always just referred to by each other and

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Speaker 1: I love this. It reminds me of how on Arrested Development,

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Speaker 1: it takes many, many episodes, possibly several seasons for George

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Speaker 1: Michael to say some throwaway joke about like, are you

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Speaker 1: sure talking about me and not the singer songwriter? I

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Speaker 2: Vulture positive as being important to the DNA of two

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Speaker 2: shows that followed it, Erie Indiana and Malcolm in the

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Speaker 2: Middle and Pete and Pete's plots and episodes tend to

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Speaker 2: that transitional age, but with overfictionalized and seemingly untethered from

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Speaker 2: reality embellishments that pop up up. You already mentioned the

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Speaker 2: aforementioned statue of Liberty show, but there's also a time

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Speaker 2: traveling plot connected to daylight savings time. Mom's aforementioned metal

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Speaker 2: signals for sure, sure, yes, yes, yes, yes, you know.

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Speaker 2: Pete has one tattoo that is explained and then a

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Speaker 2: a question for you, a question to not continue. You

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Speaker 1: I was wondering during the many occasions in which you

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Speaker 2: I haven't looked at his like I don't think there

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Speaker 2: like that full that that that ship is like one

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Speaker 2: of the many classic traditional tattoo archetypes like rigging and

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Speaker 2: a lot of archival material from like traditional tattooing of

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Speaker 1: Because he'saly the first tattoos I ever saw, like, at

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Speaker 2: It's actually a very funny story. Because I have the

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Speaker 2: bulk of my tattoos are from one artist in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: Her name is Sue Jivan. She's an incredible woman.

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Speaker 2: Story on her for people, and you know, she is

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Speaker 2: This kid asked him if he could have the drawing

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know. That's all useless for you.

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Speaker 2: Well, from the show's prolonged road from a series of

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Speaker 2: here's everything you didn't know about the Adventures of Pete.

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Speaker 1: And Pete.

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Speaker 2: It was that downtown Manhattan sensibility. Catherine Deekman, one of

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Speaker 2: the show's three principal creatives, told Vulture she worked on

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Speaker 2: of it sort of as you mentioned squasi grunge, early nineties,

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Speaker 2: that esthetic is largely hers. She immediately goes on to

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Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that weird Steve Buscemi's skit the

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Speaker 2: In this neither and the other guy, I had no

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Speaker 2: probably most famous for a long running role in Sons

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Speaker 1: as well. Ye. Chris Fuscarty, I've gotten CHRISTMASCARTI Will Mcrob

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Speaker 1: and Kevin Deekman all confuse at what exactly they do,

431
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Speaker 1: but those are the three who are responsible for creating

432
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Speaker 1: and bringing Pete and Pete to life. Christmascarty used the

433
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Speaker 1: Neil Young adjacent term ragged glory to describe he and

434
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Speaker 1: Mcrob's shared aesthetic, explaining that quote, things don't always add

435
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 1: up and don't always look very pretty, and sometimes the

436
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: dots don't connect, but there's a certain glory and beauty

437
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 1: in that, and we definitely strive to achieve that on

438
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Speaker 1: Pete and Pete. Mcrob elaborated, if things got neatly tied

439
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 1: up in a bow, we would untie them. I thought

440
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: that said urinate on them, which is different. Or we

441
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 1: would do a funny cutaway somebody that would disrupt the

442
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 1: scene in a way like I just did. Or you

443
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Speaker 1: would give Toby a chance to do some weirdo antics.

444
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Speaker 2: Toby huss who plays already the strongest man in the world.

445
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Speaker 1: Yes, they do some weirdo antics in the middle of

446
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Speaker 1: the scene, just to undercut some slightly sentimental dialogue, things

447
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 1: that would give it a certain weirdo edge. It might

448
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: not completely make sense in the long run, but something

449
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 1: to us that felt kind of glorious and fun.

450
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 2: The simple look of the show, which was a single

451
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 2: camera set up as its opposed to three. It was

452
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 2: shot on locations posed in the studio and had a

453
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Speaker 2: more cinematic, perhaps filmy appearance as posed a more conventional stage.

454
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,959
Speaker 2: TV aesthetic sent Pete and Pete Park from the other

455
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 2: live action Nickelodeon shows that were shot at the network studios,

456
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Speaker 2: like Clarissa Explains It All or Are You Afraid of

457
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 2: the Dark, which was imported from the Bacony hinterlands of Canada.

458
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Speaker 2: We didn't know a lot about making TV, but we

459
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 2: knew that we wanted to make it look different than

460
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Speaker 2: any other show in the air, this Carti said, and

461
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Speaker 2: that was one of the reasons that we hired Catherine.

462
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Speaker 2: She had a very distinct style. It was very playful

463
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Speaker 2: and light, and we loved her use of cutaways and

464
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: found footage. It gave it a real arts and craftsy feel,

465
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Speaker 2: which we really loved. But this didn't mean the show

466
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 2: wasn't labored over. John Inwood, the show's cinematographer, says and

467
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 2: slimed that with Pete and Pete, there was an effort

468
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 2: to choreograph the show in a way that would give

469
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Speaker 2: it a design From the beginning to end and from

470
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Speaker 2: scene to scene. That's not the style right now. He

471
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Speaker 2: was saying this in two thousand and three, where we

472
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Speaker 2: have the documentariization of shows like Parks and Recreation, which

473
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Speaker 2: he had just worked on, so he's coming from a

474
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Speaker 2: place of authority. Those shows embrace a looser, messier documentary style.

475
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Speaker 2: Student executives have embraced that because it's led to shorter days,

476
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 2: quicker shooting time periods, and the bottom line is it's cheaper.

477
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Speaker 2: Katherine Deekman, with her background and admittedly taking influence from

478
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Speaker 2: filmmakers like Jean Luc Godard, labored over the sound cues

479
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Speaker 2: to the edits of that show. Alison Finelli, who played

480
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Speaker 2: the character of Ellen, says and Slimed picking music and

481
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Speaker 2: sound effects was kind of Will and Chris and Catherine's baby.

482
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Speaker 2: They spent hours and hours just going through the stock

483
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Speaker 2: music and using the stuff that no one else had had.

484
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 2: Catherine would search for hours to just get ten seconds

485
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: on the show. And regardless of whether imitation is the

486
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: sincerest form of flattery, Deekman isn't having it. The next

487
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: quote that follows and Slimed comes from her. Ah, it

488
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: kind of got on my nerves. Because SpongeBob and all

489
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: these shows completely stole that idea and went to the

490
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Speaker 2: exact same cues. In fact, oh yeah, I know those cues,

491
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Speaker 2: she said while she was watching them, because I found

492
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Speaker 2: them for Pete and Pete. They were all in the

493
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Speaker 2: stock library, but nobody was using them that way.

494
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Speaker 1: I wonder what they were. Did she give any examples?

495
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Speaker 2: It's probably well, you know, I mean, the history of

496
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Speaker 2: like stock libraries is really interesting because there's like a

497
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Speaker 2: ton of it that was would have been recorded, like

498
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Speaker 2: the British stock sitcom music. There's like a ton of

499
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Speaker 2: it recorded by like Ace session guys who were like

500
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 2: the killer jazz musicians on the scene at the time,

501
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 2: the KPM Music Library. There's a bunch of it on

502
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Speaker 2: the streamers. It's just it's like rippin' like incidental jazz

503
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 2: funk stuff. But so that they might have had through

504
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Speaker 2: Nickelodeon's through amount. I guess like that kind of stock

505
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: library might have also been classical music, you.

506
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Speaker 1: Know, serious question. I wonder if Jimmy Page played on

507
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: any of those British to come That's a great question.

508
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: I mean, who just turned to pretty recently. Yeah, and

509
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: is dating probably a seventeen year old, I'll say one

510
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,719
Speaker 1: of Rock's most prolific pederasts. Adding to Pete and Pete's

511
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: weirdly timeless but also influential aesthetic was the wardrobe choices,

512
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: which mostly came about as a function of practicality. Alison Finelli,

513
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Speaker 1: who played Ellen, the best friends slash love interest of

514
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Speaker 1: Big Pete, who love interest right towards the end of

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Speaker 1: the series. Yeah, she says in the book Slimed. We

516
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Speaker 1: had to wear a lot of our own clothes. You

517
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Speaker 1: couldn't wear anything too trendy, and we couldn't identify the

518
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Speaker 1: state or town we were in. Janie Bryant, who designed

519
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: the show and went on to work on Mad Men,

520
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: added I always loved using vintage pieces because I felt

521
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,239
Speaker 1: it was a great way to express these characters who

522
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Speaker 1: were so quirky. We know about this special world, the

523
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: special neighborhood, and using those accents of vintage pieces combined

524
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: with contemporary clothing made the show look incredibly special. It

525
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: almost as a Wes Anderson aesthetic to it. It totally

526
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: does Pete and Pete with these kids who were dressing

527
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: like adults. That's the beginning of the inspiration. I live

528
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: in Silver Lake and neighborhood in Los Angeles. And it's

529
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: true all the hipsters look like characters from Pete and Pete,

530
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: although that book was written probably like fifteen years ago.

531
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Speaker 1: But yeah, fashion and fashion has moved on, But yeah,

532
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Speaker 1: Big Pete. Actor Mike Morana told Vulture Chris and Will

533
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: were both upstate New York preppies. Catherine was a music

534
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: video director and more bohemian with the crazy hats. Big

535
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: Pete was dressed more like a preppy, and Little Pete

536
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: dressed more like a trucker or a mechanic. I guess

537
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: Catherine won in the case of Danny. I think it

538
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Speaker 1: was also her projecting herself more onto Allison, who had

539
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Speaker 1: a fun wardrobe. Allison is Ellen the girl next door.

540
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: Mcgrob added, we were trying to make Little Pete a badass.

541
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: Was more about Holden call Field than grunge, and he

542
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: only wore long sleeved shirts to cover his tattoo. And

543
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: as you mentioned at the top of the episode, fans

544
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: will remember that Pete's forearm has a tattoo of Petunia a.

545
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: She's a mermaid, right? She a mermaid or like one

546
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: of the figures on the front of a ship. Hang on,

547
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: I thought she was a mermaid, but someone called it

548
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: a pin up. Why can't it be both?

549
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, mermaids can be pinups. No, she has legs. It's

550
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 2: just like a leggy redhead. Really now, I want to

551
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: look this up. I mean not that I don't trust you.

552
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: I just oh, oh yeah.

553
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: But there is like a nautical vibe about her, right.

554
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, temporary tattoos if you want it. But you said

555
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: they make temporary tattoos of her. If you want to

556
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 2: go for that vibe.

557
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: That's my twenty twenty four energy and early Pete and

558
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: Pete short. It is explains that little Pete got the

559
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: tattoo of Petunia as a Mother's Day gift, infuriating his

560
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: father and causing his mother to faint the ship tattoo

561
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: on his back. However, he is never explained as you

562
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: meditate on that. We'll be right back with more too

563
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: much information.

564
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: After these messages, pretty much all the show's creatives were

565
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: a fan of Mark mccahey of Miracle Legion, who eventually

566
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: produced the show's anthemic theme song, Hey Sandy, which we

567
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 2: will listen to now it's a great song.

568
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: Bestyistange you look inod happily.

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Speaker 1: I can tell for happy dogging again the dog I

570
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: do love a song. It whips and completely unintelligible. Is

571
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: there a full version of that?

572
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: I just you know, I didn't look that much into it,

573
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: but there probably has been in the intervening thirty years.

574
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Speaker 1: The band's polaris right. It's like a made up band name.

575
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: Pretty so Will mcgrob and I had lunched together. I'm okay,

576
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: he recalls and slimed. At the time, Miracle Legion was

577
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: having legal trouble and nobody in the band wanted to

578
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: do it. I had a partner in the band and

579
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: we wrote most of the songs, and he didn't want

580
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: to do it, so Miracle Legion couldn't do the music.

581
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: I had never written music on my own, but I

582
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: volunteered to do it anyway, and then I presented him

583
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: with the song Hey Sandy, and the rest is where

584
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: we are now. People have obsessed over what the hellmm'kayley

585
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: is saying in that theme song for the intervening decades,

586
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: and apparently, while it's something that the people connected with

587
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: the show enjoy and or laugh about, it wasn't by design.

588
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: Deekman says, and slimed. Believe me, if Mark could concoct

589
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: a mystery that people would talk about this many years later.

590
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: But I know that he didn't.

591
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: He's not that calculating. The performance video was shot in

592
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: three or four hours.

593
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: Moul Kay.

594
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: He recalls being asked to jump around and up and down,

595
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: get up, get up and get down. If you got

596
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: the feeling, jump across the ceiling, which he did not

597
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: want to do, so, of course, for one take he

598
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: acquiesced and did just that, and that's where most of

599
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: the footage comes from. Uh, he said, I had never

600
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: written a theme song to anything, so I certainly didn't

601
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: have any reason to think that it would be a

602
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: successful theme song.

603
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Speaker 1: But it was. It's like that sometimes. Katherin Deekman later

604
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: told Vulture the show kind of evolved through a shared

605
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: taste in terms of the way the kids looked and

606
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: the way it was shot and the kind of kids

607
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: they were. They weren't going to be show busy kids

608
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: at all, and that helps set the tone for the show.

609
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: Chris Vascardi told the av Club of casting their titular

610
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: leads with Danny Tamborelli for Little Pete, he just came

611
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: in the room, and he was the kid. He just

612
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: had that kind of firecracker quality to him. He was funny,

613
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: and he was adorable, and he was small, and you

614
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: just know, Oh, the kid had a certain electricity to him.

615
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: And Michael Morana big Pete. There are many things we

616
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: could say about Michael with the cast thing, but his

617
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: energy was just very different than Danny, and the contrast

618
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: between them was very funny. Michael was definitely much more cereble.

619
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: Not that Danny's not smart, but Michael Morana just approaches

620
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: things in a much more terrible way. He's a little

621
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: bit more sarcastic and rye and dry. He contrast that

622
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: with Danny and his character, who's just a little bit

623
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: more of a punchy in the face kind of a kid,

624
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: and it was a pretty great combination. I don't know

625
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: if we knew it right away that Michael was the one,

626
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: but we definitely knew he was in the top two

627
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: or three. New York native Marana was cast at a

628
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: weird time in his life. He later told Vulture, when

629
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: I got the show in the summer of eighty nine,

630
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: I was eleven turning twelve, and it just started at

631
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: a new school turning into an adolescent was part of

632
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: my everyday life at that point, and it's not surprising

633
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: that that that came out in the character. I'm grateful

634
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: for that. Marana also played big brother to Kevin McAllister

635
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: in the first two home alone films, but those were

636
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: easier for him to see than his early work in

637
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: the Pete and Pete shorts. He said, I didn't have

638
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: cable TV growing up. We only got it after Pete

639
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: and Pete went in the series production, So we used

640
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: to go up and down the block on Saturday nights

641
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: to my sister's friend's house to watch the first thirty

642
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Speaker 1: second episodes air in between a couple of Nickelodeon shows.

643
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: Hardy Rawls, who played Pete's dad, who I remember being

644
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: kind of abusive. Is that just classic sitcom dad? He

645
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: was a man of his time, Okay, okay, he said.

646
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: In Slim, Danny and Michael were incredibly smart kids and

647
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: knew their scripts. They had to be just as professional

648
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: as the adults, but also kids on camera. Whereas as

649
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: an actor on camera, I acted like a big kid

650
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: and got paid for it. Toby Huss added that Artie's

651
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: inshow honorific for the kids little vikings came from him

652
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: being impressed by Marata and Tamberelli's work ethic can you

653
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: do A? Can you do an? I actually can't.

654
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: I didn't have any I didn't prep anything for this one.

655
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: I didn't have any of those in my pocket. I

656
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: love Toby huss So you ever see the maligned two

657
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: or three season HBO show Carnival.

658
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: No, oh no, no, no, he's in that. Yeah, he's

659
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: in there. He's great. Arch you here, Arnie, Arnie, Arnie,

660
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: strongest man in the world.

661
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: Oh my, that's a considering. I hadn't prepared that. Yeah,

662
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: that was pretty pretty good off the top. As for

663
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Speaker 2: the names, Marana told the names Pete and Pete.

664
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Speaker 1: Oh okay.

665
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: We tend to just make up reasons when people ask

666
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: us at conventions and stuff like that.

667
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: This one is my favorite.

668
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: When I was born, our dad wasn't there, and when

669
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: little Pete was born, our mom wasn't there, So they

670
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: just ended up picking the same name.

671
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: Somehow.

672
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: That's good as good as Eddie, honestly, most adorably, the

673
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: two pets are still friends and had a podcast they

674
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: ran for almost ten years. They reconnected in Brooklyn. In fact,

675
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: when Marana happened to see Tambarelli at McCarran Park on

676
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: the Wimsburg Greenpoint border during the park's mid aught heyday

677
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: of hosting indie bands at the pool. The day was

678
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: pretty hot and Tambarella was pretty hungover, and soon after

679
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: we connected, he proceeded to puke in between two cars.

680
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: There on Laurrimer Street. Maronnock told the Ringer there was.

681
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: An earlier, sadder meeting. In nineteen ninety seven. Marana was

682
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: living in New York and working as a bike messenger

683
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: and he ran into Danny at an audition and his

684
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: bike had just been stolen, so Danny's father who gave

685
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 2: him a ride home. It's really cute that they're friends, though,

686
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: and that Danny Tamborelli like has fronts and plays bass

687
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: in a band.

688
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't He used to work at like some hip

689
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: Lower East Side. I want to see, like Pianos or something,

690
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: Arlene's Grocery one of those places, or maybe he just

691
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: played there a lot, because I thought I remember I

692
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: had like friends that used to come across him. That tracks.

693
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Speaker 1: Actually one of the executive producers of this show, Noel Brown,

694
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Speaker 1: I think know it was Danny Tamborelli. I think he

695
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: like pitched him a podcast or something. I don't know.

696
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: I forget how they're connected. Did you ever used to

697
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: go see shows at mccaren Park was kind of phasing

698
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: out by the time that I was had gotten there.

699
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: I was doing.

700
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: I remember seeing stuff at North Side when outside was

701
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: a thing and CMJ when CMJ was a thing.

702
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: We don't have things anymore. No, it's all just content.

703
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: And I saw guided by voices.

704
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: And one of the funniest interactions I ever had was

705
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: with a guy who was playing in a band with

706
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: at the time. He's real head in the sand guy

707
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: about a lot of stuff, and he.

708
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 1: Was like, who are these again?

709
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: I was like, they're guided by voices and he's like,

710
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: are they British? I was like, no, they're just wasted.

711
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw. I think the one band I saw

712
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: at the pool was oh Man, one of those like

713
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: two syllable band names from like the late Oughts art

714
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: Mau Mau Mau Mau tap tap rather than Juju Man

715
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: Man's man Man, oh Man Man. I love man Man.

716
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: It's man Man. Took me a second, I found it.

717
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: I found it. They're Philly boys. Danny Timbrelli seems to

718
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: have enjoyed his time on Pete and Pete. He talks

719
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: and slimed about how his parents worked to keep him grounded.

720
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: He worked in a bagel store while filming All That

721
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: a couple of years after Pete and Pete, and played

722
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: basketball and baseball While doing Pete and Pete. He maintained

723
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: a social circle by inviting his friends from school to

724
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: come and act as extras on the show. I love that.

725
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: As you mentioned, he's still a musician, playing bass and

726
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: fronting a band called Jounce. It's just a great name,

727
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: and in fact, he got his first bass for an

728
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: episode of Pete and Pete, which we'll get to in

729
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: a second. He does, however, have a telling quote later on.

730
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: He said, I don't really know where I supped being

731
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: myself and started being Pete or the other way around. Yeah.

732
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Speaker 2: I was in a section about how these kids kind

733
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: of dealt with some of their fame, and Rick Gomez,

734
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 2: who plays Endless Endless Mike.

735
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: Or that's a great day he really is.

736
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: He was talking about how he was like in New

737
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: York with Mike Marona and people were like running after

738
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: him screaming. Pete he was like, oh, apparently Danny Tamberelli

739
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: gave or is still giving.

740
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: We have no way of knowing. Keenan Thompson guitar lessons.

741
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: That's just cute. And he has a sketch comedy group

742
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: called man Boobs, which is less cute. I won't know

743
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: if that's still going. Is that still going on or

744
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: is that from like ten years ago, the sketch thing,

745
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: or oh, I don't know. Who gives a shit?

746
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: I think about a Google sketch comedy group called man Boobs.

747
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: I cherished my algorithm.

748
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: Too much for that.

749
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: Little Pete's torrent of kid insults did occasionally cause problems

750
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: with the network, Like Rob told Vulture, we could say

751
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: blowhole and fudge liquor, but we couldn't say nipple, which

752
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 2: was pretty arbitrary.

753
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: Are there any insults that you had as a kid

754
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: that you were particularly beloved by you?

755
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: I think I got a lot of mileage out of fart.

756
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: But then I read the novelization of the movie Blade

757
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: when I was like ten, and that that introduced me

758
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: to mother, and so I was cursing a blue streak

759
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: pretty early. TVQH.

760
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: Did you swear around your parents?

761
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: No, I didn't cross that rubercon until, like I was

762
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: into college. Now I do all the time constantly, so

763
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: is my which is amazing versus like a.

764
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: Sailor my sister and I still don't. That's part of

765
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: the reason why I fought to have a censor beeps

766
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: on this show. Aw I'm sorry, I'm here f it

767
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: up for you, he shot with a mouthful sandwich.

768
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: Tambarelli continued to work for Nick after Pete and Pete

769
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: went off the air, but he admitted to the ringer

770
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: that he and Marona were in different places in their

771
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: life at that time. We were in that moment of

772
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: being just old enough where if you went to first

773
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 2: grade in fifth grade, then yeah, we're in the same

774
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: elementary school, but if you're not in the same middle

775
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: school and you miss each other in high school. I

776
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: was dropping into high school as Mike was dropping into LSD,

777
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: I mean college. I'd like to unpack that at some

778
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: point they have a great rapport. I didn't listen to

779
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: like a ton of the podcast that they had, but

780
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: it's funny.

781
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: Viscardi told the av Club of Alison Finelli, who played

782
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: Ellen the Girl next Door whennew right away, when we

783
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: saw her because she was just so different and so

784
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: quirky and so charming and so much like a little

785
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: adorable girl next door. So cas thin can be a

786
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: brutal process because you can see hundreds upon hundreds of

787
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: people who are just wrong the miny lay eyes on them,

788
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: but then somebody walks through the door and it's like, Hallelujah,

789
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: that's the one. In Slimed, Finella recalled the literal and

790
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: figurative growing pains of doing the show during such a

791
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: pivotal time in her life. She said, I got to

792
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: a point where every scene they were putting powder on

793
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: my face because we were just oily teenagers. After a while,

794
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: they were more conscious about giving us different dressing spaces

795
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,959
Speaker 1: instead of trading off in the same space. But mine

796
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: was near Michael and Danny's. It was super awkward. She added.

797
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: We were all really close, and it was really hard

798
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: for Michael, Morana and me when they started writing the

799
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: romantic stuff on Pete and Pete. The kisses were absolutely

800
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: horrific for us. Both both times, we avoided each other

801
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: for an entire week all. Marana also experienced some hormone

802
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: related issues during that time. Judy Grave, who played his

803
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: mom said. Something everybody noticed was when Michael's voice was changing.

804
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: We were all like, what does that mean? Is he

805
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: still going to be Pete? Then once she was becoming

806
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: an early teen idol, all the young girls were coming

807
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: to the sets all on Twitter over him. That was

808
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: something we noticed too. Finelli, who played Ellen, told YouTuber

809
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: Christopher Nosy that Cafn Deekman, one of the creators of

810
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: the show, was in fact one of her heroes, and

811
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: she'd been interested in going into directing, but the tale

812
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: end of high school she happened to take a medical

813
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: science class. I absolutely fell in love with it, she said,

814
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: and I sort of started thinking, Hey, maybe I'd like

815
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: to do something like that. She added. I was applying

816
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: to colleges and freaking my whole family out, who were like,

817
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: you've acted your whole life. You wanted to direct, You've

818
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: been doing musical theater. What in the world are you

819
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: talking about. It was the hardest thing ever, but I

820
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: stuck with it, and she's now a pediatric specialist in Philadelphia.

821
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: Probably the only known case of somebody whose parents are like, wait,

822
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: you want to give up acting become a doctor? We

823
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: found him, We found the one. But Hi now we

824
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: got to talk about the darling of the show.

825
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: God dude, I had such a crush on the shell Tracktenberg,

826
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: mostly from Harriet the Spy but yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,

827
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: and then Buffy. But man, it's a special place in

828
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 2: heaven for redheaded women. She played Nona. She remembers her

829
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: time on the show fondly, recalling and slimed her parents

830
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 2: never forced her into her early acting gigs. That's difference

831
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: between having stage parents not actually having the choice to

832
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 2: be on set, and people like me who absolutely loved it.

833
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: I would hate going back to the school because I

834
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: would always want to be on the set. If anything,

835
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: I would be too excited to be there and have

836
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: to remember to calm down. She also added adorably at

837
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: first and then creepily. Danny Tambarelli was probably among my

838
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 2: first crushes, the lead singer of New Kids on the Block,

839
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: Green Day and maybe Danny. So that was fun as

840
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: a little girl discovering boys. And then the music goes

841
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: to a minor chord. A lot of growing up happened

842
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: for me on the Pete and Pete Show. Want to

843
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: dig into that? That yeah, Tracktenberg, who went on to

844
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: anchor Nickelodeon's Harriet the Spy adaptation does discrib I want

845
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: to promost vivid Pete and Pete memories as a legitimate

846
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: trauma inslimed. There was a scene where a bunch of

847
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 2: us were walking to a fence we're supposed to drag

848
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: because it was the hottest, longest day of the year,

849
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: and there was a boy who had eighty d and

850
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: his parents didn't watch him, and he went and had

851
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: like twenty sugar packets from the craft service table. When

852
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 2: action was called, he got really upset because the director

853
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: told us to go really, really slowly. I was going

854
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: slowly and he shoved me down and ran to the

855
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 2: fence because he was on a sugar high. I happened

856
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: to fall on my knee and slice it open on

857
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: a piece of glass that randomly was there. So I've

858
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: always had a scar on my knee for that. One day,

859
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: I went to my school trailer, put a bunch of

860
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: band aids on it, and said, we got to finish

861
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: the scene. Finally, when we were done with the whole day,

862
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 2: when I got into the car to go home at night,

863
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: I burst into tears. I don't know why I included

864
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 2: that that's a real downer. Damn, that's a rare dark

865
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: cloud in this story.

866
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: That kid, I don't know who he is, but I'll

867
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: find him. If he made Michelle tracked and very hurt.

868
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: I kind of guess it was Dandy Tembarelli. You think

869
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: so well? Here, here to take us out of this

870
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: this sad diversion is Toby huss who plays ho Hey,

871
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: the strongest bad in the world. There we go that

872
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: that wasn't bad. That was that was good. Yeah, it's possible.

873
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: It's possible. Have you ever seen Michelle Trockenberg and road Trip? No?

874
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen road Trip or EU road Trip?

875
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: Road Trip? Yeah? I was gonna say road Trip I've

876
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: seen Yeah, No, God I love her. Pretty lady, just

877
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: a pretty lady.

878
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: After I saw that Harriet the Spy movie, I made

879
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: a spy backpack and went around my neighborhood spying on people.

880
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: Pretty cool.

881
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: Binoculars, notebook, you find anything? Nope, not a damn thing.

882
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 2: Suburbs were boring?

883
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what was all in it? Binoculars? Notebook, flashlight

884
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: obviously multi tool? I multi tool? Yeah, to pick locks? No, No,

885
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: just like open vents and stuff. I mean, that's that's

886
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: that's i'd say a step up from picking locks is

887
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: that you are not even using a door, you are

888
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: using vents.

889
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: I pleaded the fifth and I had I brought my

890
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: my game gear too, so that I could be in

891
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: disguise and like if I was while spying on people,

892
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: I would pretend to be playing game gear. This occupied

893
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: weeks of my life one summer.

894
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: Did you get caught. No, no trouble at all.

895
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: No, not a single come up in sever I don't

896
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: genuinely don't remember seeing anything interesting.

897
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: Would you commit any crimes or anything that would be

898
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: potentially labeled to crime define crime trespassing, stalking, definitely trespassing.

899
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: No stocking. I didn't steal anything. I only steal from corporations, Jordan.

900
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: I don't steal from people. I did shoplift so much

901
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: as a kid, anything good, mostly action figures and stuff,

902
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: but that's good.

903
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: I just love to steal. The only thing I ever

904
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: stole one of those little plastic things that were on

905
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: the top of closing hangars that would say small.

906
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: Medium, or large, so you could organize your closet at home,

907
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 2: organizer sweaters.

908
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: I feel real guilty about that. Uh uh.

909
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: Two roads diverged in a wood us as children. I

910
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: was more of a hardy boys guy. So I of

911
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 2: course you were chaotic good, No, just no lawful good.

912
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: They were fascists, secretly they were authoritarian, they were narks,

913
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: they were Oh yeah, Harriet just wanted information. She wanted

914
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: to compromat.

915
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: You know. That's I can get behind that. This is

916
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: one of our weirder digressions, the slightly unlawful sleuthing of

917
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: a tween girl. Yeah, this is this is up there

918
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: on the things that we're gonna get us an FCC warning.

919
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be right

920
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: back with more too much information in just a moment.

921
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: But now back to Aartie. I haven't heard that guy's

922
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: voice probably thirty years, but I hear it in my heart. Tobyhus,

923
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: who played Arty, was described by guest star Janine Garoffalo

924
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: to Vulture as the king of downtown Lower east Side.

925
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: He initially created the character of Already at No Shamee

926
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: Theater at the University of Iowa in Iowa City. In

927
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: HUSS's original iteration of the character, Artie was a patient

928
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: in an insane asylum who would declare himself to the

929
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: strongest man in the world before playing the piano and

930
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: then screaming. Another actor would then spray him with the hoes,

931
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: causing him to calm down and repeat the routine. But

932
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: in a way, I feel like it's an absummation of

933
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: our show. We alternate who does the spring? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

934
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: The character was reworked so that his delusions were real

935
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: in order to make it more child friendly. Kind of

936
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: reminds me how on Sesame Street, Snuffy was originally an

937
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: imaginary character for like the I want to say, like

938
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: the first twenty years until and like I think only

939
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: big Bird could see him, and then the people who

940
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: made Sesame Street decided to make invisible to everybody because

941
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: they just thought it was confusing to kids and they

942
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 1: didn't want to basically encourage like delusions. Essentially agreed, that's interesting.

943
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: The copsume for Arty Hassays came from his University of

944
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: Iowa days, and the glasses were a pair of women's

945
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: eyeglasses from a thrift store, which he still owns, bringing

946
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: us a long delayed return to our It belongs in

947
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: a museum segment. Despite the comedic origins in the show's world,

948
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 1: already has played completely straight faced and received as such,

949
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: though the town's parents' resentments eventually lead him to depart

950
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: Wellsville in the heartbreaking season two story Farewell My Little Vikings,

951
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: in which Artie departs town having finally helped Pete, I

952
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: imagine little Pete to grow up and stand up for himself.

953
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: Chris Vascardi noted that Nickelodeon was not happy with them

954
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: dedicating so much time to Artie. The executives at Nickelodeon,

955
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: as we've talked about, kind of stayed away and let

956
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: us do our thing, except on certain occasions. I do

957
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: remember that they were not happy with the fact that

958
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: we were making it a two parter. I guess the

959
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: final episode for ARTI the Farewell lit the Vikings episode

960
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: was a two parter. Artie to them was a confusing,

961
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: unsettling character, a guy in underwear running around suburbia with

962
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: little kids thinking he was a strong man. Certainly, the

963
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: executives at Nickelodeon, and I'm sure many parents out in

964
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: the world who were watching the show with their kids

965
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: probably felt the same way as Pete's dad and all

966
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: the neighborhood folks did for Artie. They wanted the guy

967
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: to go away. I liked Artie.

968
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's funny because I think I remembered

969
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: him as like an imaginary friend. And they're going back

970
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: and rewatching this. I was like, oh, yeah, no, it's

971
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: just a real dude running around town.

972
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: You ever, like, I mean, I guess we were just

973
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: talking about this earlier. You remember something you haven't revisited

974
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: in like, you know, decades, and you think there's no

975
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: way it looks as weird and bizarre as I remember

976
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: it being. And then you see it again and you're like, oh, yeah, no,

977
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: my memory isn't faulty. Yeah, I wasn't just a kid

978
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: who didn't know the world. It's just as weird as

979
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: I remember. I just googled Alreadie and yeah, right on

980
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: the money. It's I mean, it is mind blowing to

981
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: me that a show like this ever got made, you know,

982
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it really speaks to just the lawlessness of television, television.

983
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: It's so great.

984
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 2: Endless Mike Hellstrom, what a great name. Did you know

985
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: that it was supposed to be because his hatred of

986
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: Big Pete was endless?

987
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 3: No?

988
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: I think that was what I read on Wikipedia.

989
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 2: He wasn't able to get confirmation of that hig Pete's

990
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: arch nemesis, a classic peaked too early guy with a

991
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 2: position of power.

992
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: He lorded over shop class.

993
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: His white leather shoes, which is like the only thing

994
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: that I remember about his character other than his name,

995
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 2: were from Jannie Bryant. He has one of the best

996
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 2: quotes about Pete and Pete enslimed, which is Pete and

997
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 2: Pete had two fans, ten year old kids and college

998
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 2: students who were stoned out of their minds, which is

999
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: what I was. Rick Gomez has continued to act following

1000
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: the show, and Mike Morana joke to an interview at

1001
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 2: one point, Yeah, I just saw him in something terrible,

1002
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: that Transformers movie, dressing down Shilah buff But good for him.

1003
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 2: Though we had a bully at our high school that

1004
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: everyone referred to as massive, Mike.

1005
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: Was just pretty good. Did you have any an we

1006
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: didn't know?

1007
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I had specific enemies, but we didn't have

1008
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 2: like one dude who was like the capital T B bully.

1009
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if he. I think he

1010
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: was definitely just the most colorful in terms of his name.

1011
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: There was also a guy and he gave himself this nickname,

1012
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: so I don't feel bad saying it. Sloth. Every telling

1013
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: you about Sloth. So named because he kind of resembled

1014
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: Sloth from the Goonies. That's bad. He bestowed this name

1015
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: on himself. His claim to fame in our neighborhood was

1016
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: his dad. This is a weird thing about Massachusetts. It

1017
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: really straddles the line between being extremely lefty PBS bag

1018
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: granola eating, you know, Subaru driving people, and then survivalists.

1019
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: His dad said that if he lost some amount of weight,

1020
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: he would buy him an AK forty seven, And so

1021
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: I in a very pete and pesque twist, this guy.

1022
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: I think he read a book about the Roman Army

1023
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: and he filled a camping backpack filled with stones and

1024
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: would just run across our neighborhood over again. Yeah that's

1025
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: small backpack full of stones. Yeah, dude, in order to

1026
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: get an AK forty seven. Well maybe not me. It'stop

1027
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 1: me when the stop becomes normal.

1028
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean mostly the mostly the you know, the

1029
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 2: to get an AK forty seven thing, But no, you

1030
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 2: know you just like, uh, you ever.

1031
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 1: Run around with a bunch of stones. It's for strength

1032
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: training purposes. My house was on on the route that

1033
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: the girls track team ran at my high school and

1034
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: one time I was filming something something embarrassing for like

1035
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 1: a sketch we were putting together for some like talent

1036
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: shut night, and I was always the MC and I

1037
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: would always have to film dumb video sketches in between

1038
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: acts or whatever. And I'm pretty sure I was standing

1039
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: in my living room in my underwear and the front

1040
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: door was was all glass, and then they were running by,

1041
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: and the captain of the girls track team was my

1042
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: good friend Laura, and she waved and called my name,

1043
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: and the entire girls track team and it was like

1044
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 1: a Monty Python bit. We're all waving at me, Hi Jordan,

1045
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: and it was like, you know, forty fifty of the

1046
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: hottest girls in school, and I'm standing in my living

1047
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: room in boxer shorts with my friend filming me just

1048
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 1: out of sight, so it just looks like I'm standing

1049
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: in my living room in my underwear. Yeah it was bad.

1050
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of power move, sure, but it

1051
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: wasn't because you've seen me and might actually know you haven't,

1052
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: because even when we were on tour, I would change

1053
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: in the bathroom. Yeah I haven't. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. We

1054
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of you. We didn't explore each

1055
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: other's bodies very much on that I didn't even drive

1056
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: on that tour. I can't believe you let me get

1057
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: away with that. Yeah, I shouldn't have. So what was

1058
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: up with Mom's plate? What's the deal?

1059
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1060
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 2: That apparently just came from the story of a baseball

1061
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: player and a coach named Don Zimmer, who had to

1062
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: have a metal plate put in his head after receiving

1063
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: a blow to the head by a ball in the

1064
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties. According to an article, though in Nickelodeon Magazine,

1065
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 2: it was a specifically a skiing accident that forced Mom's

1066
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: plate to be inserted into her head. It's only mentioned

1067
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 2: as in the show as like a from a medical

1068
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: procedure or something like they.

1069
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: Would hope so, yeah, but they don't.

1070
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 2: They don't specify it. I mean, but I guess in

1071
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: the expanded Nickelodeon Universe, if you got Nickelodeon Magazine, you

1072
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 2: found out the real juice that was from a skiing art.

1073
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: You know that thing I just said.

1074
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: I always thought it was a nod to Texas Chainsaw

1075
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 2: massacre too, where the guy has a metal plate in

1076
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: his head and he keeps holding a lighter over a

1077
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 2: stretched out coat hanger and scratching his plate skin with it.

1078
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: Oh god, Oh it's real gross. I love that movie.

1079
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: Oh and the rest.

1080
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 2: The show is probably the most famous to non obsessive

1081
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: as being that weird Nickelodeon sitcom with a to famous cameos,

1082
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: which is accurate. Michael Stipe pops up in the first

1083
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 2: full length episode thanks to Deecmon's connection to the band,

1084
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 2: but he was hardly the only musician to grace the show.

1085
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: Kate Pearson of the B fifty two's Debbie Harry, The

1086
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 2: Apples and Stereo, The Magnetic Fields, Gordon Gaano of The

1087
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 2: Violent Femmes, David Johanson, The New York Dolls, and Juliana

1088
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 2: Hatfield were all guests on the show at one point. Johansson,

1089
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 2: who was obviously the frontman of The New York Dolls

1090
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 2: and then also recorded as Buster Poindexter, who you have

1091
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 2: to thank for Hot Hot, Hot, Hot, Yeah, and the

1092
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: Ghost of Christmas Past and scrooged ah Wow. He was

1093
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 2: as to come aboard Pete and Pete as the unlikely

1094
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: park ranger Thorson in the episode on Golden Pete. Those

1095
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 2: kids hung out in the scene, Johanson told Vulture of

1096
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 2: the creators, it was a good show, very kind of

1097
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 2: avant garde. It had a nice dream like vibe to it.

1098
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 2: It was like working on Nindi movie. Low key, very enjoyable,

1099
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: Like being in camp was fun, real people, funky cool.

1100
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 2: No one was a blowhard. He dated on that and

1101
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 2: slimed saying that the actors on Pete and Pete were

1102
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 2: good kids, not like your typical ass kid stars. That

1103
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: was very refreshing. He's hilarious, dude. I interviewed him once

1104
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know, being very earnest. I

1105
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, you're one of the like big Manhattan

1106
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 2: downtown Manhattan icons. But you're like, you know, you've lived

1107
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: in Staten Island your whole life, Like what big up

1108
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 2: Staten Island for us? Like what do you love about

1109
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 2: Staten Island? He just there's this long pause on the

1110
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 2: phone and then he just goes, well, I hear the Fairyes.

1111
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: Nice. Uh.

1112
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: Juliana Hatfield's her obvious non musical charms will say, Michael

1113
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 2: Marana told The Ringer. When he was asked by an

1114
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: interview about her specifically, he said, we are men, are

1115
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 2: we not? We're not made of stone. We are made

1116
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 2: of flesh and blood and muscle and sinew. Right, we breathe,

1117
00:56:55,120 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 2: we live, And I just had to include that. I'm

1118
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: just gonna just saying that. It's my all purpose explanation

1119
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,240
Speaker 2: for anything, mostly when pretty ladies are concerned.

1120
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: We are made of flesh and blood and muscle and sinew.

1121
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: We breathe, we live. Have you seen that thing that's

1122
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: been memed all to hell where it was like a

1123
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: woman on like a British kids show talking to a puppet.

1124
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, or normal man.

1125
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: We're just innocent man. But of course the biggest and

1126
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: most iconic Oh that's your that's you sorry.

1127
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah. But of course the biggest, most iconic

1128
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: name attached to the show was Iggy Pop. Yes, we

1129
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: played no no, Michelle Trashenberg's dad Christmascardi told the av Club.

1130
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: Because we had Michael Stipe and Kate Pearson and Steve

1131
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: Buscemi and various others in the first season, it started

1132
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: to get a little bit easier for us to at

1133
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: least have the talent folks at Nickelodeon get calls back

1134
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: from the people who represented these rock and rollers. I

1135
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: think it was the Stipe factor for sure. That helped

1136
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 1: us get Iggy. But I don't think anybody on the show,

1137
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: unless I'm mistaken, had any connection with Iggy. I think

1138
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: they just went through his agents and managers and sent

1139
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: him the script and some episodes, Biscardi continued to Vulture.

1140
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: We just thought who would be the most unexpected choice

1141
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: to be a suburban dad and put a guy in

1142
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: a car to get in khaki pants. Obviously we're all

1143
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: huge Iggy fans, so he reached out to him, and

1144
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: when he said yes, I don't think myself or Will

1145
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: or Catherine had ever been happier. It was just so

1146
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: weird and wonderful. He could not have been sweeter and

1147
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: funnier and more lovely with the kids. He was totally

1148
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: not what you'd expect. It's super eager. He was like, yeah,

1149
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: I'll do whatever you want, and we brought him back

1150
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: a number of times. Yeah.

1151
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 2: Tamberelli has the best story regarding Iggy's time on the show.

1152
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 2: He told this website called The Pop Break that he

1153
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: had no idea who Iggy Pop was until his dad

1154
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: showed him the Funhouse album, which is one of the

1155
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: greatest rock and roll it's ever made, but not exactly

1156
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: preteen boy listening just ends with La Blues, which is

1157
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: like a horrifying free jazz as a saxophone whaling Iggy

1158
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 2: whaling workout as a sixth or seventh grader, I was

1159
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 2: just so psyched and completely immersed myself in all of

1160
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: his records. When Niggy came onto the set, I was like,

1161
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: I know everything you've ever done, and he was like,

1162
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: who's this eleven year old kid talking about TVI and

1163
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: loving the record Funhouse?

1164
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: What the hell? This is so weird?

1165
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: And their friendship only grew from there. As we mentioned earlier,

1166
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: the episode A Hard Day's Pete concerned Pete forming a

1167
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: band to try and recreate a song that he heard

1168
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 2: a different garage band playing earlier. Oh yeah, he said.

1169
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: Iggy saw that I was playing bass and that I

1170
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: really fell in love with the bass. He would ask

1171
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 2: me about it and say, oh man, that is cool,

1172
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 2: just being curious. I was like, Hey, I'll bring my

1173
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 2: guitar in and we can jam. He said that would

1174
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 2: be fun. He and I used to hang out at

1175
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: lunchtime if he was on set. We would have lunch

1176
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 2: together and chat about everything. He was such a cool dude,

1177
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 2: and he really treated me like an adult. He had

1178
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 2: no problem hanging out with a twelve year old kid

1179
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 2: on set and telling me how he worked at a

1180
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 2: pet store and that's how he got his name Iggy

1181
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 2: and all sorts of other stuff, living in the Lower

1182
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: East Side and really gritty, getting that gritty New York

1183
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 2: City vibe out of him. Do we think he told

1184
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: him about shooting up Heroin or just was kind of

1185
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: obliquely like, kid, I've done a lot.

1186
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: Wasn't there that story about him, like getting stranded in

1187
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: Detroit in a tutu.

1188
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,479
Speaker 2: There's a couple of stories about him where like getting

1189
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 2: arrested in women's clothing. I think one of my favorites

1190
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 2: is their manager came in to bail him out and

1191
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: he saw that he was in a cell and wearing

1192
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 2: a dress, and he was like just very exasperatedly when

1193
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: he bailed.

1194
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,959
Speaker 1: Him out and was like, Iggy, why are you wearing

1195
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: a woman's dress?

1196
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 2: And Iggy goes, I beg your pardon, this is a

1197
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 2: man's dress, like collects himself and walks past him.

1198
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: I thought he got his name Iggy because he had

1199
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: a band in high school called the iguanas which were

1200
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: like a Beatles. Yeah. Yeah, that's another version that I've

1201
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: heard too. I don't know. You know, all many things,

1202
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: two things can be true at the same time. I

1203
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: learned that in therapy lives in all of us. Yeah.

1204
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 2: I do love him so much. Man, He's such a

1205
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: sweet guy, except for all of the horrific stuff he

1206
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 2: did when he was in waste of a human being.

1207
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: Did you ever interview him? No, No, I didn't.

1208
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: I would actually be a little intimidated by that. Like

1209
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 2: him and Nick Cave would be kind of like the ones.

1210
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 2: I would be like a little bit like cowed by,

1211
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 2: mostly because Nick is so sad. Now yeah, yeah, I

1212
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 2: mean the funniest thing about Iggy I think Henry Rawlins

1213
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: said where he's like he's doing his long stand up

1214
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 2: in and he's like, you know, the thing with Iggy

1215
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 2: is that there's two There's two guys there.

1216
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: You know.

1217
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 2: There's there's Jim Osterberg, who's just a nice guy from

1218
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 2: IPSIL and t Michigan, like, oh hey, yeah, how are

1219
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 2: you a man?

1220
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you.

1221
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 2: We're gonna have a good gig together. And then there's

1222
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 2: Iggy Pop, who's this snarling, feral being of rock and

1223
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 2: roll incarnate, who's just like.

1224
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: I love that he just did and this is this

1225
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: is such a great way of illustrating our differences. I

1226
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: love that you just made those noises and it was

1227
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: so effortless. I watched you do it. I don't know

1228
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: how to contort my mouth to get those sounds out

1229
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: of me. I don't like if I wanted to, which

1230
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't. I had a lot of monster noises as

1231
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: a kid, you know. Yeah, yeah, I am budding folly artists.

1232
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, No, really, seriously, I also implore everyone to

1233
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 2: look up that early nineties Rowlin's routine stand up bit

1234
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 2: about his year's long rivalry with Iggy Pop seemingly one

1235
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 2: sided because he just had it in his head that

1236
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 2: he was going to blow Iggy Pop off stage, and

1237
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 2: over the course of like three concerts with Rowlin's band,

1238
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 2: realized that that would never happen and was impossible.

1239
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: What a fool he really thought that he could blow

1240
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: Iggy Pop out of the water.

1241
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just like his It was like his

1242
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: personal thing that he had set in his mind, in

1243
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 2: his weird Henry Rowland's way of being, like I will

1244
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: I must dedicate myself to this tell it very funnily,

1245
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 2: and that he has this whole like, you know, he

1246
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 2: tells this whole story about how like the third time

1247
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 2: there's gonna be this big. You know, they're gonna go

1248
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,439
Speaker 2: harder than they've ever gone before. And he's like gonna

1249
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: he's like singing his ass off, He's gonna die on stage,

1250
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 2: and like you finish it up. And like then Iggy

1251
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 2: goes out with the Stooges and just like trashes the

1252
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: stage and like invites the crowd onto the onto the

1253
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 2: and everything. The whole thing has to be like cleared

1254
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 2: off before the Cure can come on to close the festival.

1255
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 2: And and then he's like yeah, and uh, you know,

1256
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 2: I'm sitting backstage watching this with my jaw on my

1257
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 2: on the floor and and and Iggy just walks past

1258
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 2: me and just goes.

1259
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: Me telling me that story. I wonder if it ever

1260
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: crossed his mind to trash the Pete and Pete set

1261
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: like an amp.

1262
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 2: They blow up an amp in that episode, right, there's

1263
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 2: a there's a thing where they Yeah, something happens in

1264
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 2: the in the Hard Day's Pete episode.

1265
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: I love stories of rock and roll legends, giving these

1266
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: moments to kids, especially when the kids grow up, and

1267
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: that's so great. I'm trying to think of others off him.

1268
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 2: Well, you know, actually, Green Day, I always love the

1269
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 2: Green Day would end their concerts by, you know, asking

1270
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 2: people to come up and show them a quick and

1271
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 2: dirty version of an Operation Ivy song, which was the

1272
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 2: band that Tim Are the guys from Rancid were in

1273
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: before they formed Rancid, and Rancid and Green Day are

1274
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 2: very close, and so the Green Day's whole act was

1275
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,439
Speaker 2: to come up on stage and teach kids this song

1276
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Speaker 2: and then immediately have them play it on stage, and

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01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 2: then they gave all the they gave the guitarist to

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Speaker 2: the kids.

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Speaker 1: I was like, that's pretty transformational, you know. Yeah, Dave Girl,

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01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: Dave Grol's got a bunch of those. Yeah, yeah, what

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01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: do you think about Dave Growl could see you're not

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01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: liking him because he's the Tom Hanks of rock. Dude

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01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: gets a pass because he played drums on that Queen's

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Speaker 1: the Stone Age album, which is one of the best

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Speaker 1: rock and roll albums of the twenty first century, this

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01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: or any other century. So gonna go with that and

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Speaker 1: not never mind.

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01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more impressive drumming. But Josh Hamis is a yeah.

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01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 2: Josh Hammy and Nicoloveri are objectively garbage people, but man,

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01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 2: that Songs for the Deaf is like, it's like a

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Speaker 2: top ten album for me, and like, also, seventy five

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01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 2: percent of the people I've known in music album smokes.

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01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: It's a perfect record. He was tight with Bourdain. I

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01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: was just watching the Roadrunner Boordain documentary the other night

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01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: and Josh Hammy and Boordain were tight. That would make

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01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: me sad for which one of them. I mean, they

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01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: probably just did a lot of drugs together. He might

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01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: have done the theme to parts on the now that

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Speaker 1: I think about it. Anyway, back to Pete and Pete,

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01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: other prominent guests came from all over. Steve Buscemi was

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01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: then doing weird performance art as a duo with Mark Boone,

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01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier of Sons of Anarchy fame in the

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01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: New York City downtown scene of the late eighties, played

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01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: the father of Big Pete's friend Ellen. That's right, I

1305
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: forgot that he was Ellen's dad. Colic Jini Garoffalo was

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01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: a teacher at their school, and Larissa Olayinik crossed over

1307
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: from another Nickelodeon hit, the secret role of Alex Mack

1308
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: to play a nurse. Will Adam West was Little Pete's

1309
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: school principal long before Family Guy thought to get him.

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01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: I forgot These are all like dimly ringing a bell. Wow,

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01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. JK. Simmons, Ellen Cleghorn, Selma Blair,

1312
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: Chris Elliott. The list of character actors showing up for

1313
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: brief roles on Pete and Pete goes on and on.

1314
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: Garffalo told Vulture, I was here in New York doing

1315
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: SNL and Pete and Pete was something you would notice

1316
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: if you were flipping through the channels. It's not like

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01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: it was a buzz about town, but obviously it was

1318
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: something like, hey, did you see that show?

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01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 2: Will Mcrob has consistently said that Nickelodeon was fairly hands

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01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 2: off when it came to Pete and Pete and more

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01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 2: or less let his group do their own thing. He

1322
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 2: told Vulture, nobody had ever told us how to make

1323
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 2: a one minute short film or how to make a

1324
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 2: half hour special series.

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01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: We just did what felt right.

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01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 2: We didn't know anything about the rules of screenwriting and

1327
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 2: TV writing and how to get to commercial break and

1328
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 2: anything like that. But the sad part, of course, is

1329
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 2: once you do it a number of times, you start

1330
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 2: to understand the rules of the game. You know, you

1331
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 2: have that liberation a couple of times, then you find

1332
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 2: yourself fighting your instincts to make it a standard show.

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01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 2: It was pretty wild to go through that experience in

1334
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 2: a very hands on way, but.

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01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: As the network evolved, that strategy changed, and Pete and

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01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: Pete ultimately came to an end after its third season.

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01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: The team didn't necessarily know they were making their last episode,

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01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 1: but treated it as something of a trial for a

1339
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: slight change in format if the show did return, which

1340
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: obviously it never did. Both Viscarti and mcgrab admitted that

1341
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: after working on the show from nineteen eighty nine to

1342
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, they were feeling the effects of burnout

1343
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: and started thinking of moving on. But Viscarti admitted to

1344
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: the av Club, of course, we had that fateful meeting

1345
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: with the Nickelodeon executives and they told us they weren't

1346
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: bringing it back. It was pretty heartbreaking.

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01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 2: He went on to talk about the approach to their

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01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 2: last show, Saturday, which brings together disparate plots from what

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01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 2: five different characters doing on a Saturday in Wellsville was

1350
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 2: something very different. I don't know if it ever would

1351
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 2: have worked to do a whole season like that. He

1352
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 2: does have a fondness for the last show of the

1353
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 2: episode though. When that episode was over and all the

1354
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 2: kids were together, they just go outside and they help

1355
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 2: driver stew push the back of the bus and the

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01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 2: camera pulled back. It just said so much about what

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01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 2: the series was about, that sense of friendship in suburbia

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01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 2: with a bunch of strange characters. Big Pete had his

1359
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 2: hair lopped off, and Ellen was wearing a beaten up

1360
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 2: bunny suit and they're eating pizza. Kid had sneakers on

1361
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 2: that he didn't want to get spotty, and a girl

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01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 2: was dressed as a ninja. There was just so much

1363
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 2: weirdness in that shot. It was cold, it was wintertime.

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01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 2: It definitely felt like a fitting end if it was

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01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 2: going to be the end, and it turned out that

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01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 2: it was Nick Rob chimed in. If we had known

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01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 2: that that was the last episode and we tried to

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01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 2: write a goodbye episode, I don't think it would have

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01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: been nearly as good as it was with us not knowing.

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01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: We would have tried too hard to do more with

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01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 2: the goodbye rather than just write a great episode, and

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01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 2: he Viscardi goes on to add some additional context to

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01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 2: the tale of that interview. He said, that was the

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01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 2: time when Nickelodeon started to make the shift making more

1375
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 2: straight down the middle mainstream programs. Rand and Stimpy was gone.

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01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 2: It was the beginning of the Dan Schneider era. Nothing

1377
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 2: against Dan shows.

1378
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,719
Speaker 1: But everything against him because he's a pediass. But they're differently,

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01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: more mainstream, right down the middle, very funny in their

1380
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: own ways, but very very different than what we were

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01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: trying to do. You could kind of see the writing

1382
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: on the wall. That was the direction the network wanted

1383
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 1: to take their programming. Pete and Pete was always a

1384
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: struggle to keep on the air from the beginning, and

1385
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: once the network started making the shift into even more

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01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: of a straight crowd pleasing show that needed to be

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01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: for everyone, not just a group of passionate fans, it

1388
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 1: was going to be a lot harder for us to

1389
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,560
Speaker 1: stay on the air. Pete and Pete nearly got a

1390
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: second chance at life. Though Nickelodeon's two thousand films snow

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01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 1: Day was originally intended as a full length Pete and

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01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 1: Pete film, scripted by Mcrob and Viscardi. I guess it

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01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: was presented to Nickelodeon Movies when that imprint launched in

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01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five for Hollywood reasons. Presumably the Pete and

1395
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: Pete ness of it all didn't materialize, and in the

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01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,719
Speaker 1: intervening time between when it actually was released in two thousand,

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01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: the original cast aged out of their roles and it

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01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: was made with I actually don't know. In my mind,

1399
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: I Mandela affected it and thought that Frankie Munas and

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01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: Man the Binds were in this movie. I think I

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01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: might be thinking of Big Fat Liar. I actually have

1402
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: no idea who's in this movie. You know, I'm not

1403
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: anyone from Beaten Pete. You know what I remember from

1404
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 1: this movie? What's that? Hoku? No? Who sang the theme song?

1405
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: Mm hmm? The single another dumb blonde? Nope? She was Hawaiian.

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01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 1: See if this rings any bells? Okay? I also had

1407
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: a crush on her. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah

1408
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Oh yeah. That's time.

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01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 3: I suggest let you go, so I'll tell it to

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01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,759
Speaker 3: your face instead of tell it to you on the phone.

1411
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 3: I thought that you was special, maybe something unique. I'm

1412
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 3: come find that you're not really interested.

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01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: In this song sucks.

1414
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 2: She's Don Joe's daughter, King of Italian the king of

1415
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 2: Hawaiian music, Don Hoe Nepo babied his daughter into that song.

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01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: No.

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01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 2: Snow Day starred Chris Elliot, Gene Smart, Chevy, Chase Skyler Fisk,

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01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 2: Pam Greer, Josh Peck, Emmanuel Schirrikrie. Quite a packed catch

1419
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 2: or packed stacked cast. If you will gotta hate that song,

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01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 2: She's pretty though.

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01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: Snow Day producer I will be hecked, says Enslimed. I

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01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: thought to make snow Day, which is essentially a Pete

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01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: and Pete movie based on that whole idea of magic

1424
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 1: realism that Chris and Will do well will mcrob as.

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01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: If you look at that movie, you can see a

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01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 1: Pete and Pete template. We had a lot more material

1427
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: that made snow Day a lot more Pete and Pete,

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01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 1: but eventually it got cut out. If it could have

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01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: been more like the show, I would have been more

1430
01:11:58,920 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 1: proud of it. Yeah.

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01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 2: I tried to really dig deep into this and find

1432
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 2: out exactly what happened, but it's eluded my grasp and

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01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 2: I couldn't find any in depth interviews that either Mcrob

1434
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 2: Viscardi or that producer made about it. So I mean,

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01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 2: I assume that Pete and Peach is aged out and

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01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 2: then it was like, well, yeah, I mean the Unfortunately

1437
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 2: that kind of happens all the time.

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01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: Man.

1439
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 2: It just gets out of your slush pile, and then

1440
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 2: somebody has another idea or finds it and it's just like, hey,

1441
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 2: well we can do this now, and you're like, well,

1442
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 2: where were you back when?

1443
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: He Pop also had a bit part in this. Pam Greer,

1444
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, that's so weird.

1445
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 2: Very few stones to turn over at this point other

1446
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 2: than my history of shoplifting, but a couple of great

1447
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:45,600
Speaker 2: quotes that I wanted to leave you find folks with

1448
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 2: Mike Big Pete, Marona told the Ringer. When I look back,

1449
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 2: I think the show is a polemic. It's an angry

1450
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 2: editorial about growing up and fighting against growing up and

1451
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 2: cherishing being a kid. Maybe Little Pete's character is in

1452
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 2: the grief stage and mine is in the acceptance stage.

1453
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 2: Then Toby Huss who played Artie the Strongest man in

1454
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 2: the World, says, and slime the most subversive thing about

1455
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 2: Pete and Pete will always be the people who all

1456
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 2: got together to make it. We're all a little like that.

1457
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 2: It's hard to explain, but it was a little shimmering

1458
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 2: time back then. I think that's beautiful. I hope more

1459
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 2: people rediscover this show. Yeah, learning more about it made

1460
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 2: me feel much more indulgent and charitable toward it than

1461
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 2: I had previously, which is a great thing to feel

1462
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 2: towards arc. You maybe didn't get as much with when

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01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 2: it was of its time.

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01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 1: Final thought, I'm just still trying to perfect my arty voice,

1465
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: well said.

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01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 2: Thank you for listening everyone. This has been too much

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Speaker 2: informacy on I am Alex Heigel.

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01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: And I'm Jordan run Todg. We'll catch you next time.

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Speaker 1: executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtog. The show's

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Speaker 1: supervising producer is Michael Alder June.

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Speaker 2: The show was researched, written and hosted by Jordan Runtog

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Speaker 2: and Alex Heigel.

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