WEBVTT - Spilling the Tea on Tea Bags

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Saber Prediction of iHeartRadio. I'm Annie

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<v Speaker 1>Reese and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Lauren vocal Bum and today we have an episode

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<v Speaker 2>for you about tea bags.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, oh yes. Was there any particular reason this was

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<v Speaker 1>on your mind? Lauren?

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<v Speaker 2>H I think this is one of the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>I So. I have a few different methods of coming

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<v Speaker 2>up with potential episode topics, and one of them is

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<v Speaker 2>standing blankly in my kitchen and looking through all of

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<v Speaker 2>my cupboards and trying to glean inspiration. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>I opened my coffee and tea cupboard and was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>what are tea bags about?

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<v Speaker 1>What are they about? Indeed, uh, well, listeners, you may

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<v Speaker 1>know I have some kind of issue with tea. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what it is, but it makes me feel

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<v Speaker 1>a little nauseating.

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<v Speaker 2>And black tea more than other types of tea, right, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and like not usually herbal teas except for mint tea.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh mint tea would be terrible. Yes, because I also

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<v Speaker 1>have an issue with mint. I thought somebody gave me

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<v Speaker 1>a product that they told me was not tea but

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<v Speaker 1>tasted like tea, and it gave me the same reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't really know what's going on? Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>I do. I love tea, but it is not a

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I can generally enjoy. I have a friend

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<v Speaker 1>who this very weekend is like, We're going to try

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<v Speaker 1>this new tea product, and I'm like, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, all right, I'll set aside some time to feel

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<v Speaker 2>heck and awful.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, maybe it don't worry. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what the specific issue is, but generally I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a good time with tea, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>shame because it's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's delicious. Uh, but I mean, you know

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<v Speaker 2>there are right, you know, like like other than black tea,

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<v Speaker 2>there are many kinds of teas and herbal infusions that

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<v Speaker 2>are delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true. And I've been thinking about usually when I

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<v Speaker 1>go get dim Sum, the tea they offer makes me

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<v Speaker 1>feel a little sick, but not very sick.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to figure it out. There are degrees degrees

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<v Speaker 1>of whatever it is, but I do miss it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you've posited previously that it might be related to

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<v Speaker 2>Tannin's or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, and that would make sense, especially if you're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of reactive to red wine as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not really reactive to rip one.

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<v Speaker 2>Non specific.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember reading something that was like med and tea

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<v Speaker 1>kind of share this thing. So I don't know, but

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, hey, similar to I'm just like, yeah, Bell Peppers,

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<v Speaker 1>why why do you hate me?

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<v Speaker 2>Why can I not digest you? Other people can? Apparently

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<v Speaker 2>our bodies. They just like to throw in some girl

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<v Speaker 2>balls sometimes they do. It's true, it's cool, that's I

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<v Speaker 2>get it. You get bored, You're like, oh, let's try

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<v Speaker 2>something different, like nausea.

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<v Speaker 1>I do have a lot of friends who like tea

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<v Speaker 1>this so I always have tea bags on hand. But

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<v Speaker 1>they they taught me. Oh well, you can see our

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<v Speaker 1>past episode we did on tea time with our friend

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Julia Skinner. That was one.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, absolutely, Also our episode on tea we did

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<v Speaker 2>one of those also Bubble tea dim sum Sure, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, But I think this brings us to our question.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it does.

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<v Speaker 1>Tea bags. What are they?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, tea bags are a type of device for making

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<v Speaker 2>tea or herbal infusions without getting bits of the tea

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<v Speaker 2>and or herbs into the drink, and there are many

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<v Speaker 2>devices for this purpose, but tea bags are specifically Satchet's

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<v Speaker 2>made of some kind of mesh that's closed up enough

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<v Speaker 2>to hold dried tea leaves or you know, bits of

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<v Speaker 2>non tea herbal infusion material, but permeable enough that stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like water and molecules of flavor and color can flow

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<v Speaker 2>through the mesh. So, you know, if you fill a

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<v Speaker 2>tea bag with stuff and then add it to a

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<v Speaker 2>vessel like a cup or a pot with hot water,

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<v Speaker 2>the water will hydrate the stuff. The stuff will infuse

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<v Speaker 2>the water with those flavors and colors, thus creating tea,

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<v Speaker 2>but it will prevent the bits of tea leaves or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever from getting out into the drink. Great convenient tea

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<v Speaker 2>bags can come in many shapes and materials. They can

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<v Speaker 2>be intended for a single cup or a whole pot.

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<v Speaker 2>They can be disposable or refillable. They're often manufactured to

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<v Speaker 2>be disposable as a indeed convenience item for selling or

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<v Speaker 2>brewing a single serving of tea without the fuss of

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<v Speaker 2>measuring it out. And in these applications the bags often

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<v Speaker 2>have like a cotton string attached with a small paper

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<v Speaker 2>tag at the end and tended to hang out of

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<v Speaker 2>your cup or pot and allow you to lift the

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<v Speaker 2>bag out of the end of the steeping period without

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<v Speaker 2>you know, reaching in and grabbing this wet, squishy thing

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<v Speaker 2>from water that was just boiling less fun, I can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you from personal experience, those tags often have like

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<v Speaker 2>logos or sayings or whatever printed on them. And for

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<v Speaker 2>all of that explanation, I mean, tea bags are really

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<v Speaker 2>what it says on the tin. It's uh, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a tea bag is like a little transport shuttle for

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<v Speaker 2>all the flavors of tea to help them get to

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<v Speaker 2>their final destination being your face.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, thanks t bags, Yeah, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>The satchets themself can be made with anything with good

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<v Speaker 2>permeability to it. You know, like with any with any

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<v Speaker 2>of these materials, you're looking for a balance of function,

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<v Speaker 2>expense and environmental safety. Right, so, you know, you've got

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<v Speaker 2>biodegradable options like paper or paper fiber composites, or more

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<v Speaker 2>expensive materials like polylactic acid, which is made from plant starch,

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<v Speaker 2>or soilon, which is made from corn starch. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you've got non biodegradables plastics like nylon or pet And

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<v Speaker 2>if you've ever seen silk tea bags, they were almost

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<v Speaker 2>certainly made with one of these. I don't think anyone

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<v Speaker 2>is using real silk fiber for tea bags anymore. Tea

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<v Speaker 2>bags are shaped in ways that will allow the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>inside to expand as they soak up water, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like puffy envelope shapes or folded shapes that expand along

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<v Speaker 2>with the contents are popular because they pack fairly flat. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are also three D shapes like pyramids, with

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<v Speaker 2>more room inside from the start. Depending on the material,

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<v Speaker 2>they might be sealed with a heat press or with

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<v Speaker 2>a small staple, or with stitching or with glue. The

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<v Speaker 2>tag can be attached to the string in the same

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<v Speaker 2>ways that the bags can be sealed. And then, because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, anything with such good permeability is going to

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<v Speaker 2>need to be properly sealed up in some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>outer layer for you know, transport, so that the tea

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't just start like brewing itself on its way to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Individual tea bags are packaged either in single or multi

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<v Speaker 2>bag pouches made from things like waxed paper or foil

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<v Speaker 2>lined paper, or plastic or tins. In these days, tea

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<v Speaker 2>bags can be manufactured, filled, sealed, tagged, and packaged entirely

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<v Speaker 2>by machine as many things can. You can also buy

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<v Speaker 2>or make reusable tea bags with things like cotton or muslin.

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<v Speaker 2>These will typically have a draw string to keep the

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<v Speaker 2>tea you know, mostly inside pretty much all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, okay, okay, Well what about the nutrition.

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<v Speaker 2>Well this is not Willy Wonka, and generally speaking, tiacoutrement

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<v Speaker 2>is not edible. But okay, actually kill joy corner. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're concerned about minimizing microplastics in your food and drink,

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<v Speaker 2>and you probably should be, Tea bags made from plastics

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<v Speaker 2>can release billions of micro and nanoparticles into every cup

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<v Speaker 2>that you brew, like ranging around fourteen to fifteen billion particles.

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<v Speaker 2>So if that's the thing you're concerned about, I would, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, not use nylon or pet or other plastic

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<v Speaker 2>based tea bags. Sorry. If any of you really are

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<v Speaker 2>fond of those little pyramid shapes, that's usually what they're

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<v Speaker 2>made of. Yeah, and how concerned should you be? That's

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<v Speaker 2>a different episode maybe that we're gonna get an expert

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<v Speaker 2>opinion on because Annie's friends with that one person at

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<v Speaker 2>the CDC. But you know, like if you can minimize it, great,

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<v Speaker 2>of all the things that are giving you cancer, right,

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<v Speaker 2>now I don't know. Don't keep yourself up about it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're who's sleeping anymore these days? Please contact us and

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<v Speaker 1>tell us, well, we do have some numbers for you, some.

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<v Speaker 2>Additional less kill joy numbers. I suppose, yes, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So the tea bag packing machines on the market, the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that I saw anyway, I didn't look at all

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<v Speaker 2>of them. Most of them reported being able to create

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<v Speaker 2>some two hundred and fifty bags per minute. The global

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<v Speaker 2>market for tea bags is something l like eight billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollars a year because they are very popular. Even in

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<v Speaker 2>the United Kingdom, which is serious about tea, people buy

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<v Speaker 2>some ninety six percent of their tea in tea bags.

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<v Speaker 2>There is as record for the largest tea bag produced

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<v Speaker 2>by Saudi tea company Rabia Tea in twenty fourteen. It

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<v Speaker 2>measured four meters tall and three meters wide and weighed

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty kilos. I'm not sure whether it

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<v Speaker 2>had any tea in it or if that was just

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<v Speaker 2>the bag. Photos made it look like it was empty,

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<v Speaker 2>but other reports of previous winners seemed like they were

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<v Speaker 2>filled with tea and that the numbers would extrapolate out

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<v Speaker 2>to it being filled with tea. I'm not sure at

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<v Speaker 2>any rate. I was just giving that in metric. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me give you the imperial that's thirteen by ten feet,

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<v Speaker 2>weighing five hundred and fifty pounds. If it was indeed

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<v Speaker 2>filled with tea, it held the rough equivalent of one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand cups worth of tea leaves.

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<v Speaker 1>These Guinness records need to be more clear about what

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<v Speaker 1>the record.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, Okay, I I you know, I tracked down some

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<v Speaker 2>some news articles about it. I couldn't. I couldn't entirely

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<v Speaker 2>figure it out. It's all right, I'm okay with there

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<v Speaker 2>being mystery in the world. There's also a record for

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<v Speaker 2>the most tea bags tossed into mugs in thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>That record was set in twenty twenty two by one

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Douglas of Massachusetts, who tossed thirteen tea bags in

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<v Speaker 2>thirty seconds into mugs. Good for you, Yeah, good for

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<v Speaker 2>your Yeah. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the weight would be very difficult to manage, bud, yeah, hey, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>making it work.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also a record for the most unopened single wrapped

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<v Speaker 2>tea bags in a collection, which at least as of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen, was one thy two hundred and thirty seven

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<v Speaker 2>amassed by a girl from Denmark.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, okay, So clearly tea bags are popular. That

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<v Speaker 1>has not always been the case, especially in certain parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and also they're a relatively recent invention.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, yes they are, and we will get into that

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<v Speaker 1>when we'll get into the history.

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<v Speaker 2>Which we are going to do after we get back

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<v Speaker 2>from me. A quick break for a word from our sponsors.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So cee ort episode that I apparently forgotten I did.

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<v Speaker 1>But tea originated thousands of years ago in China. According

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<v Speaker 1>to most historians, it arrived in Europe in the sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds and to America soon after. And notably for this

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<v Speaker 1>episode and the opinions therein, tea has a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>traditions around it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, a thing. It's a thing that people are passionate about.

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<v Speaker 1>They certainly are, Lauren, all right. So that brings us

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<v Speaker 1>to our next question of the episode. Who invented the

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<v Speaker 1>tea bag? As always with these episodes, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of discussion and disagreement. But with that disclaimer, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>into some of the theories. One of the theories with

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<v Speaker 1>the most credence dates back to nineteen oh one, when ROBERTA. C.

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<v Speaker 1>Lawson and Mary Malarin filed for a patent for a

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<v Speaker 1>quote tea leaf holder out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. In their filing,

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<v Speaker 1>they described a process that would create a single cup

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<v Speaker 1>of tea involve less waste. Basically, they identified that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of tea made in the more traditional ways often

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<v Speaker 1>went stale and got thrown away, so they were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to find a solution to this. For their holders. They

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<v Speaker 1>used a stitched meshed fabric, and this was to prevent

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<v Speaker 1>the leaf particles from floating into the mouth and to

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<v Speaker 1>give the water ample space to infuse. Hot water was

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<v Speaker 1>poured over the bags and balla cup of tea. However,

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<v Speaker 1>the product never really took off. There's not much about

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<v Speaker 1>it after this patent filing that you could find, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 1>Another one of the popular legends is that tea bags

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<v Speaker 1>were invented or perhaps popularized sort of by accidents, by

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Sullivan, an American tea importer. Allegedly, he sent out

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<v Speaker 1>samples of his product in nineteen oh eight in these

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<v Speaker 1>small silk pouches in an attempt to save costs by

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<v Speaker 1>not shit whipping the samples in the traditional metal tin.

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<v Speaker 1>His intention was not that customers put the pouches directly

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<v Speaker 1>in the hot water to make a single cup of tea.

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<v Speaker 1>But they did, and they liked it, and they ordered more.

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<v Speaker 1>Sullivan sent the orders back in tins, but then he

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<v Speaker 1>heard back from them that they wanted the satchels. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want these tins. Yeah, Sullivan made a few tweaks,

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<v Speaker 1>including replacing the silk with a gaze fabric. He used

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<v Speaker 1>finer tea leaves, and he really really leaned into marketing. However,

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<v Speaker 1>there isn't too much evidence to back this up either,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is a very popularly told story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it's fun, you know. I love an accidental invention story.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, I kind of loved the idea that customers were

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<v Speaker 1>just like, oh, I'll just put this right. And I

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<v Speaker 1>love the idea that the customers invented the tea Almost yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so whatever happened. By the nineteen twenties, tea bags were

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<v Speaker 1>fairly popular in the United States. Early tea bags may

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<v Speaker 1>have used glue to secure the bag, which affected the taste, though,

0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.120
<v Speaker 1>and some of the fabrics did too, so that there

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<v Speaker 1>was quite a lot of adjusting that was done to

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<v Speaker 1>the packaging to hone in on the method. The nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirties is certainly when a lot of this innovation seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to be happening. Many in the sectors started experimenting with

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<v Speaker 1>their own products. They tried out all kinds of materials,

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<v Speaker 1>and they eventually landed on paper fiber bags, moving away

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<v Speaker 1>from hand sewn to machine made. The heat sealed tea

0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:49.960
<v Speaker 1>bag was invented in nineteen thirty and during World War One,

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<v Speaker 1>tea bags were included in the rations for some soldiers,

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw that in some places reported as one

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons tea bags started to grow popularity as

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers came back. We're like these tea bags.

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<v Speaker 2>Though, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing to consider when it comes to tea bags

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<v Speaker 1>is the tea itself. A superintendent of the Amgori Tea

0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.919
<v Speaker 1>Estate in India named William mc kersher often gets the

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<v Speaker 1>credit for inventing the crush, tear, curl or CTC method

0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:23.119
<v Speaker 1>of manufacturing and processing tea. Very basically, this turned the

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<v Speaker 1>tea leaves into small bits perfect for putting it into

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<v Speaker 1>a tea bag. And this all happened in nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 1>one also very basically people have thoughts about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so so to expand just a little bit here,

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<v Speaker 2>the CTC either crush tair curl or cut tair curl

0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.920
<v Speaker 2>method of processing tea right creates these little bits of tea.

0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.560
<v Speaker 2>They're perfect for putting into tea bags and not ideal

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<v Speaker 2>for any other use. You know, it's a machine process

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<v Speaker 2>that bruises, cuts, and twists the tea into these even

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<v Speaker 2>little granules like like fine gravel. CTC made tea bruise

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<v Speaker 2>quicker and stronger than whole leaf tea. But again, it's

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<v Speaker 2>really only good for going into tea bags because it's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of icky to use loose because the process also

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<v Speaker 2>produces a bunch of dust and like weird little bits

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<v Speaker 2>of debris that might not sink as readily as whole

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<v Speaker 2>tea leaves do, leaving you with just sort of crowding

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<v Speaker 2>your cup and that's not fun. It can this is

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<v Speaker 2>part of where some of the controversy here comes. And

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<v Speaker 2>it can be tremendously cheaper to produce tea via CTC,

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<v Speaker 2>to the point that eighty to ninety five percent of

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<v Speaker 2>black teas today are made using this process. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>cheaper because you don't have to be that careful with it,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it opens the door to machine harvesting and machine

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<v Speaker 2>processing of tea leaves, whereas traditional methods use experienced and

0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:03.760
<v Speaker 2>expensive u human labor. I'm hopefully expensive, well paid at

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<v Speaker 2>any rate. Yeah, tea experts say that you lose a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of subtletea in the flavor with CTC processing because

0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:14.760
<v Speaker 2>all of that man handling or machine handling can flatten

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<v Speaker 2>the flavor of tea because it over oxidizes it. And

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<v Speaker 2>it can also open the door to mixing in lower

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<v Speaker 2>quality ingredients. And so all of these things are reasons

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<v Speaker 2>why humans who are passionate about tea are sometimes passionate

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<v Speaker 2>about CTC being goofy. Goofy is not the word that

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<v Speaker 2>they would use.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, it's definitely not. But in spite of that,

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<v Speaker 1>tea bags still were making they were making a name.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen forty five, William Uker's work All about Tea

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<v Speaker 1>described four different types of individual sized tea bags that

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<v Speaker 1>were commercially available. World War Two material shortages did impact

0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.680
<v Speaker 1>tea bags. If you want to read about it, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole thing about tea bags in the UK specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>But this was one of the reasons they gave that

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<v Speaker 1>one to reiterate of the reasons they gave that it

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<v Speaker 1>took a long time for the UK to get to

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<v Speaker 1>get on board with tea bags. A company out of

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<v Speaker 1>Germany called Tikane is credited with coming up with the rectangular,

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<v Speaker 1>double chamber bags that many of us are familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen forty nine. And then I just had to

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<v Speaker 1>include this. Lauren and I were sharing our the fun

0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:54.240
<v Speaker 1>we had reading some of these quotes from other countries

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<v Speaker 1>about the tea bag that were not very pressed. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say I limited myself with this one. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>An Australian publication in nineteen fifty wrote quote, I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>how many Australians know what a tea bag is. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a device used by Americans who are coffee lovers

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<v Speaker 1>for making tea. They drop a little muslin bag of

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<v Speaker 1>tea leaves in a pot of hot not necessarily boiling water,

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<v Speaker 1>or perhaps into the tea cup itself. They later removed

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<v Speaker 1>the bag, whether to keep it for another day, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure. This whole thing kind of summed up the

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<v Speaker 1>feeling a lot of countries outside of the US how

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<v Speaker 1>they felt about this tea bag situation in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States in particular.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I suppose one way or another we

0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:01.680
<v Speaker 2>were kind of responsible for it. So uh yeah, I

0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:08.960
<v Speaker 2>really do need to emphasize the extreme shade attached to

0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:11.200
<v Speaker 2>not necessarily boiling.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, there were there were several others, And one

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<v Speaker 1>of them was like Americans try this tea and then

0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.640
<v Speaker 1>they decide they like coffee after all.

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<v Speaker 2>To be fair, the one time I was in England,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the coffee I had there would make

0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:39.840
<v Speaker 2>me prefer tea, So.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you know, it was a You can find

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of these quotes, should you decide? Okay, So the

0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:00.600
<v Speaker 1>tea bag did get a boost during the nineteenth fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>and as a reminder of the fifties was a time

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<v Speaker 1>when convenience and modern food products like television dinners were

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<v Speaker 1>all the rage, and the tea bag got caught up

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:13.840
<v Speaker 1>in that popularity, especially in the United States, but it

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<v Speaker 1>got a little traction in other places.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>A nineteen fifty two Lipton ad claims that they were

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<v Speaker 1>the first to print instructions on how to use their

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<v Speaker 1>tea bags on the tags of the tea bags that

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:32.200
<v Speaker 1>they sold, and they called their bags flow through, So.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's what they were all doing this whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but they put a new name on it.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah. According to National Geographic the UK resisted tea

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<v Speaker 1>bags for a long time and the nineteen sixties they

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<v Speaker 1>accounted for only three percent of the UK market. But

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<v Speaker 1>as mentioned, nowadays that percentage is almost the inverse, accounting

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<v Speaker 1>for almost ninety six percent. So yeah, a journey, Yeah,

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:10.440
<v Speaker 1>a real journey. In nineteen ninety two, Tetley Tea launched

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<v Speaker 1>a round tea bag.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just another it's just another type of flat envelope shape.

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.159
<v Speaker 2>It was just a marketing thing, but they were like,

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:26.800
<v Speaker 2>oh ours is round. It's yeah, but yes, uh, Tea

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<v Speaker 2>bags are growing in popularity and partially because they are

0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:39.920
<v Speaker 2>growing higher in quality and because of marketing gimmicks. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>that Saudi company that made that dang giant tea bag

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:45.760
<v Speaker 2>as it did it as a marketing stunt for putting

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<v Speaker 2>out non CTC tea bags like whole leaf tea bags.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a lot of there's a lot of innovations

0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:58.240
<v Speaker 2>in the industry, you know, like they're they're definitely the

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the market ports say that those pyramid tea

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<v Speaker 2>bags are going to be even more popular in the

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<v Speaker 2>future because they a feel fancier and be A lot

0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 2>of companies are trying to switch away from the non

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:14.600
<v Speaker 2>biodegradable materials to something a little bit more friendly for

0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 2>our bodies and or the planet.

0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:23.760
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, that's what I read too. Uh, We're

0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 1>going to see a lot more fancier tea bags perhaps.

0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:32.119
<v Speaker 2>I you know, I I love I love getting a

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:33.959
<v Speaker 2>box of tea bags. I mean, I love tea in general.

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:37.880
<v Speaker 2>I love herbal teas, I love the whole shebang. I

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:41.880
<v Speaker 2>love making a pot of tea. And I've got I'm

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<v Speaker 2>one of those humans who has collected an improbable amount

0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:49.119
<v Speaker 2>of tea, Like I should really be drinking more of it.

0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 2>If I am going to insist upon continuing to buy it,

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:55.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's not. It doesn't last heck and forever.

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:59.359
<v Speaker 2>So uh but yeah, it's just nice. It's nice. It

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 2>is nice. It's like a nice little treat. And a

0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:05.960
<v Speaker 2>bag does make it really convenient to just make one cup,

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:08.880
<v Speaker 2>it does?

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:10.680
<v Speaker 1>It does?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean an easy pour over infuser made of like

0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 2>wire mesh is also very easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I had to resist from researching that because I

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 1>was like that, it's.

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Not nope, nope, No, we're talking about today, Nope.

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<v Speaker 1>For today. I also had to resist looking up all

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<v Speaker 1>the different ways people use tea bags as like a

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:43.399
<v Speaker 1>like for their face, oh oh, like for cooking. But listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>let us know, oh yeah, let us know if you

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<v Speaker 1>have any of these uses for tea bags or just

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts, just your thoughts in general.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh, if you're one of those humans with very

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<v Speaker 2>strong tea opinions, we would love to hear them.

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<v Speaker 1>We would, we would. But that is what we have

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<v Speaker 1>to say about tea bags for now.

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 2>It is. We do already have some listener mail for you, though,

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<v Speaker 2>and we are going to get into that as soon

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<v Speaker 1>Name t tea.

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<v Speaker 2>It just both went to like a small happy place,

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<v Speaker 2>we did.

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<v Speaker 1>I was imagining the reading the book and the fog

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<v Speaker 1>outside and having the tea goodness our road. In about

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<v Speaker 1>our recent episodes on Kanye and Chilula. Kangnac is an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting alcohol and is fairly versatile. It is enjoyable as

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<v Speaker 1>an after dinner or later evening relaxing drink, especially in

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<v Speaker 1>the winter if you're sitting by a fire, something about

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<v Speaker 1>a comfy chair not a Monty Python reference, and a

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<v Speaker 1>nice fire in the fireplace, a glass of cognac and

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<v Speaker 1>a good book. Pets sitting on the floor snoozing as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Not something I generally keep around, but if I buy

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<v Speaker 1>a bottle it will be with some recipes and some

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<v Speaker 1>drinking in mind. I find it really works well in

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<v Speaker 1>some desserts. Chilula is one of my favorite hot sauces.

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<v Speaker 1>I myself would classify it as I must have on hand.

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<v Speaker 1>The original has a nice, gentle touch of heat as

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<v Speaker 1>well as a bunch of flavor. It mixes well with

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<v Speaker 1>so many things and can be used in so many

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<v Speaker 1>different sauces. It is almost like a mother sauce to

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<v Speaker 1>start with. I discovered a while back. If you like

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<v Speaker 1>wet buffalo wings, make them with chilula in the sauce

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<v Speaker 1>and it just hits so right. I know several people

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<v Speaker 1>who have done this, and we all think that the

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<v Speaker 1>chilula wings are better than the regular buffalo wings. Always

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to what you will be getting out. Always

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<v Speaker 1>starts cravings and as more things to the feast. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say, I don't think we mentioned this

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<v Speaker 1>in our previous listener mail that was about Chilula, but

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<v Speaker 1>we had our super producers stepped in, yeah and offered

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of opinions about the best kind of Chilula.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of fans in the savorty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah. Super producer Andrew prefers that hot Habernaro,

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<v Speaker 2>the one with the with the pineapple in it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But pretty much every single human who who I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>that episode to was like, oh, yeah, that's my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>hot sauce brand.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I feel like we've gotten a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>emails that are essentially this is my it's my go to,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah kind of what I was saying, where I have

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<v Speaker 1>my others, but like if I just need a hot sauce,

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<v Speaker 1>like a nice not too hot, but like nice, garlicy

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<v Speaker 1>salty chilula.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I still don't have a lot of experience

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<v Speaker 1>with Kangnac, but this sounds lovely right Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I really, I mean, we are moving very

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<v Speaker 2>rapidly towards spring here at Atlanta. But yeah, need to

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<v Speaker 2>need to find need to like do some research, find

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<v Speaker 2>a bottle, look up some dessert recipes for it, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I've definitely never cooked with cognac before, and now now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really curious about it because right, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I bet, I bet that would be delicious. Another

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<v Speaker 1>another experiment, something to try.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben wrote, hope you're both well. I had to write

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<v Speaker 2>to you again to comment on two recent episodes, Yax

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<v Speaker 2>and Irish soda Bread. I have never heard of caraway

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<v Speaker 2>seeds or raisins being used in soda bread here in Ireland.

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<v Speaker 2>The only additional ingredient you tend to find in soda

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<v Speaker 2>bread here is guinness. Here it seems to be eaten

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<v Speaker 2>in only two circumstances. One for breakfast, either toasted or untoasted,

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<v Speaker 2>with generous amounts of Irish butter, usually the wheaten variety

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<v Speaker 2>whole wheat yeah. Two accompanying seafood showder, again with generous

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<v Speaker 2>amounts of Irish butter, usually the Guinness bread variety. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>also like to say a special thanks for bringing in

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<v Speaker 2>Irish history in an honest but not too depressing way.

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<v Speaker 2>I find the history of the famine is still not

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<v Speaker 2>understood properly in the UK, so always good when it's

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<v Speaker 2>discussed well, I think I mentioned in an earlier email,

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<v Speaker 2>but my fiance makes a sweet version of guinness bread

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<v Speaker 2>that includes treckle, making it much richer and darker, but

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<v Speaker 2>still has to be eaten with Irish butter. Come to

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<v Speaker 2>think of it, I'm not sure soda bread is anything

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<v Speaker 2>other than a socially acceptable way to eat too much butter.

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<v Speaker 2>As for yas pet chops, here sell something called a yaka,

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<v Speaker 2>which is hardened yac cheese and dark puppy. Barren Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>named from the Tolkien character in the Cimillion, loves them

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<v Speaker 2>and they're meant to be very good for him and

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<v Speaker 2>his teeth. He certainly likes them more than a guinness

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<v Speaker 2>see attached before and after pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>So cute.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, the name is great yes, yes, Oh, my goodness

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<v Speaker 2>faces beautiful. Yeah. That was so. Immediately after we finished

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<v Speaker 2>recording that episode about yas, I was like, how do

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<v Speaker 2>I go at yac cheese? I need to order some,

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<v Speaker 2>And the answer is essentially you can get it in

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<v Speaker 2>dog treats in the United States and that's it. There

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<v Speaker 2>are There have been a couple of like specialty cheesemakers

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<v Speaker 2>and ranchers around the US that have produced yac cheese

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<v Speaker 2>or restaurants that have imported yak cheese. But it's really neat,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really niche and difficult to find, which is such

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<v Speaker 2>a shame because I realized blatedly also that I never

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<v Speaker 2>really put like a like a like tasting notes in

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<v Speaker 2>the milk or cheese part of the yak thing. And partially,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, like we were talking about so

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<v Speaker 2>many different kinds of cheese, as it's impossible to give

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<v Speaker 2>a single flavor profile. But I saw the milk described

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<v Speaker 2>as like unexpectedly sweet and herbal like, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you get this like finish of all of these like

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<v Speaker 2>grasses and herbs, which makes sense because yaks are grazing

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<v Speaker 2>on different stuff than what most most of the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the world of dairy drinkers are used to used

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<v Speaker 2>to their bow vines from grazing on.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, maybe one day, yeah, yep, just need to

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<v Speaker 1>go hug some yaks and eat their products. Also, any

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<v Speaker 1>excuse to eat a lot of butter? Oh and I understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, certainly not no, uh yeah, And I might have

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<v Speaker 2>forgotten to mention the Guinness, the Guinness Setta, Ginnessetta breads,

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<v Speaker 2>M did I I don't have no idea. It was

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<v Speaker 2>so long ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Who can remember. Certainly we've ever done an episode on tea,

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<v Speaker 1>but some listeners have written in with recipes. I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking on my I might try, I might try.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, time to make a comeback from my last

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<v Speaker 3>not great attempt, but yeah, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Gosh, and this with the seafood chowder right sounds so good?

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