1 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Saber Prediction of iHeartRadio. I'm Annie 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: Reese and. 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 2: I'm Lauren vocal Bum and today we have an episode 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: for you about tea bags. 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 1: Yes, oh yes. Was there any particular reason this was 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: on your mind? Lauren? 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 2: H I think this is one of the ones that 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: I So. I have a few different methods of coming 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: up with potential episode topics, and one of them is 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: standing blankly in my kitchen and looking through all of 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: my cupboards and trying to glean inspiration. And I think 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: I opened my coffee and tea cupboard and was like, oh, 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: what are tea bags about? 14 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: What are they about? Indeed, uh, well, listeners, you may 15 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: know I have some kind of issue with tea. I 16 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but it makes me feel 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: a little nauseating. 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: And black tea more than other types of tea, right, yes, 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: and like not usually herbal teas except for mint tea. 20 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: Oh mint tea would be terrible. Yes, because I also 21 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: have an issue with mint. I thought somebody gave me 22 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: a product that they told me was not tea but 23 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: tasted like tea, and it gave me the same reaction. 24 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: So I don't really know what's going on? Yeah, but 25 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: I do. I love tea, but it is not a 26 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: thing that I can generally enjoy. I have a friend 27 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: who this very weekend is like, We're going to try 28 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: this new tea product, and I'm like, all. 29 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: Right, all right, I'll set aside some time to feel 30 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: heck and awful. 31 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it don't worry. I don't know. I 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: don't know what the specific issue is, but generally I 33 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: don't have a good time with tea, which is a 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: shame because it's wonderful. 35 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's delicious. Uh, but I mean, you know 36 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: there are right, you know, like like other than black tea, 37 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: there are many kinds of teas and herbal infusions that 38 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: are delicious. 39 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: It's true. And I've been thinking about usually when I 40 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: go get dim Sum, the tea they offer makes me 41 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: feel a little sick, but not very sick. 42 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: Okay, So I don't know. 43 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure it out. There are degrees degrees 44 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: of whatever it is, but I do miss it. 45 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've posited previously that it might be related to 46 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 2: Tannin's or something like that. 47 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. 48 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, and that would make sense, especially if you're 49 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: kind of reactive to red wine as well. 50 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, not really reactive to rip one. 51 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 2: Non specific. 52 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: I remember reading something that was like med and tea 53 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: kind of share this thing. So I don't know, but 54 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: I mean, hey, similar to I'm just like, yeah, Bell Peppers, 55 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: why why do you hate me? 56 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: Why can I not digest you? Other people can? Apparently 57 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: our bodies. They just like to throw in some girl 58 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: balls sometimes they do. It's true, it's cool, that's I 59 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: get it. You get bored, You're like, oh, let's try 60 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: something different, like nausea. 61 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: I do have a lot of friends who like tea 62 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: this so I always have tea bags on hand. But 63 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: they they taught me. Oh well, you can see our 64 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: past episode we did on tea time with our friend 65 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: doctor Julia Skinner. That was one. 66 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, Also our episode on tea we did 67 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 2: one of those also Bubble tea dim sum Sure, yeah. 68 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, But I think this brings us to our question. 69 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 2: I think it does. 70 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: Tea bags. What are they? 71 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: Well, tea bags are a type of device for making 72 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: tea or herbal infusions without getting bits of the tea 73 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: and or herbs into the drink, and there are many 74 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: devices for this purpose, but tea bags are specifically Satchet's 75 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: made of some kind of mesh that's closed up enough 76 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: to hold dried tea leaves or you know, bits of 77 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: non tea herbal infusion material, but permeable enough that stuff 78 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: like water and molecules of flavor and color can flow 79 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: through the mesh. So, you know, if you fill a 80 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: tea bag with stuff and then add it to a 81 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 2: vessel like a cup or a pot with hot water, 82 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: the water will hydrate the stuff. The stuff will infuse 83 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 2: the water with those flavors and colors, thus creating tea, 84 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: but it will prevent the bits of tea leaves or 85 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: whatever from getting out into the drink. Great convenient tea 86 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: bags can come in many shapes and materials. They can 87 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: be intended for a single cup or a whole pot. 88 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: They can be disposable or refillable. They're often manufactured to 89 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: be disposable as a indeed convenience item for selling or 90 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: brewing a single serving of tea without the fuss of 91 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: measuring it out. And in these applications the bags often 92 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: have like a cotton string attached with a small paper 93 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: tag at the end and tended to hang out of 94 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: your cup or pot and allow you to lift the 95 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 2: bag out of the end of the steeping period without 96 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: you know, reaching in and grabbing this wet, squishy thing 97 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 2: from water that was just boiling less fun, I can 98 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: tell you from personal experience, those tags often have like 99 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: logos or sayings or whatever printed on them. And for 100 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: all of that explanation, I mean, tea bags are really 101 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: what it says on the tin. It's uh, it's like 102 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: a tea bag is like a little transport shuttle for 103 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 2: all the flavors of tea to help them get to 104 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: their final destination being your face. 105 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, thanks t bags, Yeah, thank you. 106 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: The satchets themself can be made with anything with good 107 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: permeability to it. You know, like with any with any 108 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: of these materials, you're looking for a balance of function, 109 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: expense and environmental safety. Right, so, you know, you've got 110 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: biodegradable options like paper or paper fiber composites, or more 111 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: expensive materials like polylactic acid, which is made from plant starch, 112 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: or soilon, which is made from corn starch. And then 113 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: you've got non biodegradables plastics like nylon or pet And 114 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: if you've ever seen silk tea bags, they were almost 115 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: certainly made with one of these. I don't think anyone 116 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: is using real silk fiber for tea bags anymore. Tea 117 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: bags are shaped in ways that will allow the stuff 118 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: inside to expand as they soak up water, you know, 119 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: like puffy envelope shapes or folded shapes that expand along 120 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: with the contents are popular because they pack fairly flat. Yeah, 121 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: but there are also three D shapes like pyramids, with 122 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: more room inside from the start. Depending on the material, 123 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: they might be sealed with a heat press or with 124 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: a small staple, or with stitching or with glue. The 125 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: tag can be attached to the string in the same 126 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: ways that the bags can be sealed. And then, because 127 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: you know, anything with such good permeability is going to 128 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: need to be properly sealed up in some kind of 129 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: outer layer for you know, transport, so that the tea 130 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: doesn't just start like brewing itself on its way to you. 131 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: Individual tea bags are packaged either in single or multi 132 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: bag pouches made from things like waxed paper or foil 133 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: lined paper, or plastic or tins. In these days, tea 134 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: bags can be manufactured, filled, sealed, tagged, and packaged entirely 135 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: by machine as many things can. You can also buy 136 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: or make reusable tea bags with things like cotton or muslin. 137 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: These will typically have a draw string to keep the 138 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: tea you know, mostly inside pretty much all. 139 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, okay, Well what about the nutrition. 140 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: Well this is not Willy Wonka, and generally speaking, tiacoutrement 141 00:08:52,960 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: is not edible. But okay, actually kill joy corner. If 142 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: you're concerned about minimizing microplastics in your food and drink, 143 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 2: and you probably should be, Tea bags made from plastics 144 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: can release billions of micro and nanoparticles into every cup 145 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: that you brew, like ranging around fourteen to fifteen billion particles. 146 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: So if that's the thing you're concerned about, I would, uh, 147 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: you know, not use nylon or pet or other plastic 148 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 2: based tea bags. Sorry. If any of you really are 149 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 2: fond of those little pyramid shapes, that's usually what they're 150 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: made of. Yeah, and how concerned should you be? That's 151 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: a different episode maybe that we're gonna get an expert 152 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: opinion on because Annie's friends with that one person at 153 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: the CDC. But you know, like if you can minimize it, great, 154 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: of all the things that are giving you cancer, right, 155 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: now I don't know. Don't keep yourself up about it. 156 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: They're who's sleeping anymore these days? Please contact us and 157 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: tell us, well, we do have some numbers for you, some. 158 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: Additional less kill joy numbers. I suppose, yes, all right. 159 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: So the tea bag packing machines on the market, the 160 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 2: ones that I saw anyway, I didn't look at all 161 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: of them. Most of them reported being able to create 162 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: some two hundred and fifty bags per minute. The global 163 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: market for tea bags is something l like eight billion 164 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: dollars a year because they are very popular. Even in 165 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: the United Kingdom, which is serious about tea, people buy 166 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: some ninety six percent of their tea in tea bags. 167 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: There is as record for the largest tea bag produced 168 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: by Saudi tea company Rabia Tea in twenty fourteen. It 169 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: measured four meters tall and three meters wide and weighed 170 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty kilos. I'm not sure whether it 171 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: had any tea in it or if that was just 172 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: the bag. Photos made it look like it was empty, 173 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: but other reports of previous winners seemed like they were 174 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: filled with tea and that the numbers would extrapolate out 175 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: to it being filled with tea. I'm not sure at 176 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 2: any rate. I was just giving that in metric. Let 177 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: me give you the imperial that's thirteen by ten feet, 178 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 2: weighing five hundred and fifty pounds. If it was indeed 179 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 2: filled with tea, it held the rough equivalent of one 180 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 2: hundred thousand cups worth of tea leaves. 181 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: These Guinness records need to be more clear about what 182 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: the record. 183 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: Is, Okay, I I you know, I tracked down some 184 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: some news articles about it. I couldn't. I couldn't entirely 185 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 2: figure it out. It's all right, I'm okay with there 186 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: being mystery in the world. There's also a record for 187 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 2: the most tea bags tossed into mugs in thirty seconds. 188 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 2: That record was set in twenty twenty two by one 189 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: Dan Douglas of Massachusetts, who tossed thirteen tea bags in 190 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: thirty seconds into mugs. Good for you, Yeah, good for 191 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: your Yeah. Absolutely. 192 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: I feel like the weight would be very difficult to manage, bud, yeah, hey, yeah, 193 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: making it work. 194 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 2: There's also a record for the most unopened single wrapped 195 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: tea bags in a collection, which at least as of 196 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, was one thy two hundred and thirty seven 197 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: amassed by a girl from Denmark. 198 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 3: Wow. 199 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, So clearly tea bags are popular. That 200 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: has not always been the case, especially in certain parts 201 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: of the world. 202 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: No, and also they're a relatively recent invention. 203 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: Actually, yes they are, and we will get into that 204 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: when we'll get into the history. 205 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 2: Which we are going to do after we get back 206 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: from me. A quick break for a word from our sponsors. 207 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: And we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you, all right. 208 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: So cee ort episode that I apparently forgotten I did. 209 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: But tea originated thousands of years ago in China. According 210 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: to most historians, it arrived in Europe in the sixteen 211 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: hundreds and to America soon after. And notably for this 212 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: episode and the opinions therein, tea has a lot of 213 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: traditions around it. 214 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: Yep, a thing. It's a thing that people are passionate about. 215 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: They certainly are, Lauren, all right. So that brings us 216 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: to our next question of the episode. Who invented the 217 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: tea bag? As always with these episodes, there's a lot 218 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: of discussion and disagreement. But with that disclaimer, let's get 219 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: into some of the theories. One of the theories with 220 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: the most credence dates back to nineteen oh one, when ROBERTA. C. 221 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: Lawson and Mary Malarin filed for a patent for a 222 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: quote tea leaf holder out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. In their filing, 223 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: they described a process that would create a single cup 224 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: of tea involve less waste. Basically, they identified that a 225 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: lot of tea made in the more traditional ways often 226 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: went stale and got thrown away, so they were trying 227 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: to find a solution to this. For their holders. They 228 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: used a stitched meshed fabric, and this was to prevent 229 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: the leaf particles from floating into the mouth and to 230 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: give the water ample space to infuse. Hot water was 231 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: poured over the bags and balla cup of tea. However, 232 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: the product never really took off. There's not much about 233 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: it after this patent filing that you could find, all right. 234 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 3: So. 235 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: Another one of the popular legends is that tea bags 236 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: were invented or perhaps popularized sort of by accidents, by 237 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: Thomas Sullivan, an American tea importer. Allegedly, he sent out 238 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: samples of his product in nineteen oh eight in these 239 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: small silk pouches in an attempt to save costs by 240 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: not shit whipping the samples in the traditional metal tin. 241 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: His intention was not that customers put the pouches directly 242 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: in the hot water to make a single cup of tea. 243 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: But they did, and they liked it, and they ordered more. 244 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: Sullivan sent the orders back in tins, but then he 245 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: heard back from them that they wanted the satchels. They 246 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: didn't want these tins. Yeah, Sullivan made a few tweaks, 247 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: including replacing the silk with a gaze fabric. He used 248 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: finer tea leaves, and he really really leaned into marketing. However, 249 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: there isn't too much evidence to back this up either, 250 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: but it is a very popularly told story. 251 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: Yeah it's fun, you know. I love an accidental invention story. 252 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: Sure, I kind of loved the idea that customers were 253 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: just like, oh, I'll just put this right. And I 254 00:16:55,320 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: love the idea that the customers invented the tea Almost yes, okay, 255 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: so whatever happened. By the nineteen twenties, tea bags were 256 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: fairly popular in the United States. Early tea bags may 257 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: have used glue to secure the bag, which affected the taste, though, 258 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: and some of the fabrics did too, so that there 259 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: was quite a lot of adjusting that was done to 260 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: the packaging to hone in on the method. The nineteen 261 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 1: thirties is certainly when a lot of this innovation seemed 262 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: to be happening. Many in the sectors started experimenting with 263 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: their own products. They tried out all kinds of materials, 264 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: and they eventually landed on paper fiber bags, moving away 265 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: from hand sewn to machine made. The heat sealed tea 266 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: bag was invented in nineteen thirty and during World War One, 267 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: tea bags were included in the rations for some soldiers, 268 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: and I saw that in some places reported as one 269 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: of the reasons tea bags started to grow popularity as 270 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: soldiers came back. We're like these tea bags. 271 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: Though, Okay. 272 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: Another thing to consider when it comes to tea bags 273 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: is the tea itself. A superintendent of the Amgori Tea 274 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: Estate in India named William mc kersher often gets the 275 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: credit for inventing the crush, tear, curl or CTC method 276 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: of manufacturing and processing tea. Very basically, this turned the 277 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: tea leaves into small bits perfect for putting it into 278 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: a tea bag. And this all happened in nineteen thirty 279 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: one also very basically people have thoughts about this. 280 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 2: Yes, so so to expand just a little bit here, 281 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: the CTC either crush tair curl or cut tair curl 282 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 2: method of processing tea right creates these little bits of tea. 283 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 2: They're perfect for putting into tea bags and not ideal 284 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 2: for any other use. You know, it's a machine process 285 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: that bruises, cuts, and twists the tea into these even 286 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 2: little granules like like fine gravel. CTC made tea bruise 287 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 2: quicker and stronger than whole leaf tea. But again, it's 288 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 2: really only good for going into tea bags because it's 289 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: sort of icky to use loose because the process also 290 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 2: produces a bunch of dust and like weird little bits 291 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 2: of debris that might not sink as readily as whole 292 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: tea leaves do, leaving you with just sort of crowding 293 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: your cup and that's not fun. It can this is 294 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 2: part of where some of the controversy here comes. And 295 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: it can be tremendously cheaper to produce tea via CTC, 296 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: to the point that eighty to ninety five percent of 297 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 2: black teas today are made using this process. And it's 298 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 2: cheaper because you don't have to be that careful with it, 299 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 2: Like it opens the door to machine harvesting and machine 300 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:59,239 Speaker 2: processing of tea leaves, whereas traditional methods use experienced and 301 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: expensive u human labor. I'm hopefully expensive, well paid at 302 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: any rate. Yeah, tea experts say that you lose a 303 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: lot of subtletea in the flavor with CTC processing because 304 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: all of that man handling or machine handling can flatten 305 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: the flavor of tea because it over oxidizes it. And 306 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 2: it can also open the door to mixing in lower 307 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: quality ingredients. And so all of these things are reasons 308 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: why humans who are passionate about tea are sometimes passionate 309 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 2: about CTC being goofy. Goofy is not the word that 310 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 2: they would use. 311 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: I know, it's definitely not. But in spite of that, 312 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: tea bags still were making they were making a name. 313 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: In nineteen forty five, William Uker's work All about Tea 314 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: described four different types of individual sized tea bags that 315 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: were commercially available. World War Two material shortages did impact 316 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: tea bags. If you want to read about it, there's 317 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: a whole thing about tea bags in the UK specifically, 318 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,239 Speaker 1: But this was one of the reasons they gave that 319 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: one to reiterate of the reasons they gave that it 320 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: took a long time for the UK to get to 321 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: get on board with tea bags. A company out of 322 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: Germany called Tikane is credited with coming up with the rectangular, 323 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: double chamber bags that many of us are familiar with 324 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty nine. And then I just had to 325 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: include this. Lauren and I were sharing our the fun 326 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: we had reading some of these quotes from other countries 327 00:21:54,359 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: about the tea bag that were not very pressed. I 328 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: have to say I limited myself with this one. Okay. 329 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: An Australian publication in nineteen fifty wrote quote, I wonder 330 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: how many Australians know what a tea bag is. It 331 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: is a device used by Americans who are coffee lovers 332 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: for making tea. They drop a little muslin bag of 333 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: tea leaves in a pot of hot not necessarily boiling water, 334 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: or perhaps into the tea cup itself. They later removed 335 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: the bag, whether to keep it for another day, I'm 336 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: not sure. This whole thing kind of summed up the 337 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: feeling a lot of countries outside of the US how 338 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: they felt about this tea bag situation in the United 339 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: States in particular. 340 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I suppose one way or another we 341 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 2: were kind of responsible for it. So uh yeah, I 342 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 2: really do need to emphasize the extreme shade attached to 343 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 2: not necessarily boiling. 344 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, there were there were several others, And one 345 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: of them was like Americans try this tea and then 346 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: they decide they like coffee after all. 347 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: To be fair, the one time I was in England, 348 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: a lot of the coffee I had there would make 349 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: me prefer tea, So. 350 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: You know, you know, it was a You can find 351 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: plenty of these quotes, should you decide? Okay, So the 352 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: tea bag did get a boost during the nineteenth fifties, 353 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: and as a reminder of the fifties was a time 354 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: when convenience and modern food products like television dinners were 355 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: all the rage, and the tea bag got caught up 356 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: in that popularity, especially in the United States, but it 357 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: got a little traction in other places. 358 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 359 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: A nineteen fifty two Lipton ad claims that they were 360 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: the first to print instructions on how to use their 361 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: tea bags on the tags of the tea bags that 362 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: they sold, and they called their bags flow through, So. 363 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 2: I mean that's what they were all doing this whole time. 364 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, but they put a new name on it. 365 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: And yeah. According to National Geographic the UK resisted tea 366 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: bags for a long time and the nineteen sixties they 367 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: accounted for only three percent of the UK market. But 368 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: as mentioned, nowadays that percentage is almost the inverse, accounting 369 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: for almost ninety six percent. So yeah, a journey, Yeah, 370 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: a real journey. In nineteen ninety two, Tetley Tea launched 371 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: a round tea bag. 372 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: It's just another it's just another type of flat envelope shape. 373 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 2: It was just a marketing thing, but they were like, 374 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: oh ours is round. It's yeah, but yes, uh, Tea 375 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 2: bags are growing in popularity and partially because they are 376 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 2: growing higher in quality and because of marketing gimmicks. For example, 377 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: that Saudi company that made that dang giant tea bag 378 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: as it did it as a marketing stunt for putting 379 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: out non CTC tea bags like whole leaf tea bags. 380 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: And there's a lot of there's a lot of innovations 381 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: in the industry, you know, like they're they're definitely the 382 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: Some of the market ports say that those pyramid tea 383 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: bags are going to be even more popular in the 384 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,239 Speaker 2: future because they a feel fancier and be A lot 385 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: of companies are trying to switch away from the non 386 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: biodegradable materials to something a little bit more friendly for 387 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: our bodies and or the planet. 388 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, that's what I read too. Uh, We're 389 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: going to see a lot more fancier tea bags perhaps. 390 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 2: I you know, I I love I love getting a 391 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,959 Speaker 2: box of tea bags. I mean, I love tea in general. 392 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 2: I love herbal teas, I love the whole shebang. I 393 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 2: love making a pot of tea. And I've got I'm 394 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 2: one of those humans who has collected an improbable amount 395 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 2: of tea, Like I should really be drinking more of it. 396 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 2: If I am going to insist upon continuing to buy it, 397 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 2: you know, it's not. It doesn't last heck and forever. 398 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 2: So uh but yeah, it's just nice. It's nice. It 399 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 2: is nice. It's like a nice little treat. And a 400 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 2: bag does make it really convenient to just make one cup, 401 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 2: it does? 402 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: It does? 403 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 2: I mean an easy pour over infuser made of like 404 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: wire mesh is also very easy. 405 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. I had to resist from researching that because I 406 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: was like that, it's. 407 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 2: Not nope, nope, No, we're talking about today, Nope. 408 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: For today. I also had to resist looking up all 409 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: the different ways people use tea bags as like a 410 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: like for their face, oh oh, like for cooking. But listeners, 411 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,479 Speaker 1: let us know, oh yeah, let us know if you 412 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: have any of these uses for tea bags or just 413 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: your thoughts, just your thoughts in general. 414 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, if you're one of those humans with very 415 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: strong tea opinions, we would love to hear them. 416 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: We would, we would. But that is what we have 417 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: to say about tea bags for now. 418 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 2: It is. We do already have some listener mail for you, though, 419 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 2: and we are going to get into that as soon 420 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 2: as we get back from one more quick break for 421 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 2: a word from our sponsors. 422 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 4: And we're back Thank you sponsors, Yes, thank you, and 423 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 4: we're back with listeners. 424 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: Name t tea. 425 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: It just both went to like a small happy place, 426 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: we did. 427 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: I was imagining the reading the book and the fog 428 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: outside and having the tea goodness our road. In about 429 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: our recent episodes on Kanye and Chilula. Kangnac is an 430 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: interesting alcohol and is fairly versatile. It is enjoyable as 431 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: an after dinner or later evening relaxing drink, especially in 432 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: the winter if you're sitting by a fire, something about 433 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: a comfy chair not a Monty Python reference, and a 434 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: nice fire in the fireplace, a glass of cognac and 435 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: a good book. Pets sitting on the floor snoozing as well. 436 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: Not something I generally keep around, but if I buy 437 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: a bottle it will be with some recipes and some 438 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: drinking in mind. I find it really works well in 439 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: some desserts. Chilula is one of my favorite hot sauces. 440 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: I myself would classify it as I must have on hand. 441 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: The original has a nice, gentle touch of heat as 442 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: well as a bunch of flavor. It mixes well with 443 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: so many things and can be used in so many 444 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: different sauces. It is almost like a mother sauce to 445 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: start with. I discovered a while back. If you like 446 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: wet buffalo wings, make them with chilula in the sauce 447 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: and it just hits so right. I know several people 448 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: who have done this, and we all think that the 449 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 1: chilula wings are better than the regular buffalo wings. Always 450 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: look forward to what you will be getting out. Always 451 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: starts cravings and as more things to the feast. Okay, 452 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: I have to say, I don't think we mentioned this 453 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: in our previous listener mail that was about Chilula, but 454 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: we had our super producers stepped in, yeah and offered 455 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: a lot of opinions about the best kind of Chilula. 456 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: A lot of fans in the savorty. 457 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. Super producer Andrew prefers that hot Habernaro, 458 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 2: the one with the with the pineapple in it. Yeah. 459 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: But pretty much every single human who who I mentioned 460 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 2: that episode to was like, oh, yeah, that's my favorite 461 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: hot sauce brand. 462 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I feel like we've gotten a lot of 463 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: emails that are essentially this is my it's my go to, 464 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: yeah kind of what I was saying, where I have 465 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: my others, but like if I just need a hot sauce, 466 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: like a nice not too hot, but like nice, garlicy 467 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: salty chilula. 468 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 2: Uh. 469 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: And yeah, I still don't have a lot of experience 470 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: with Kangnac, but this sounds lovely right Yeah? 471 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I really, I mean, we are moving very 472 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 2: rapidly towards spring here at Atlanta. But yeah, need to 473 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: need to find need to like do some research, find 474 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: a bottle, look up some dessert recipes for it, for sure. 475 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 2: I've definitely never cooked with cognac before, and now now 476 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 2: I'm really curious about it because right, yeah, yeah. 477 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet, I bet that would be delicious. Another 478 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: another experiment, something to try. 479 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 2: Ben wrote, hope you're both well. I had to write 480 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 2: to you again to comment on two recent episodes, Yax 481 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: and Irish soda Bread. I have never heard of caraway 482 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 2: seeds or raisins being used in soda bread here in Ireland. 483 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 2: The only additional ingredient you tend to find in soda 484 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 2: bread here is guinness. Here it seems to be eaten 485 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 2: in only two circumstances. One for breakfast, either toasted or untoasted, 486 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: with generous amounts of Irish butter, usually the wheaten variety 487 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 2: whole wheat yeah. Two accompanying seafood showder, again with generous 488 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 2: amounts of Irish butter, usually the Guinness bread variety. I'd 489 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 2: also like to say a special thanks for bringing in 490 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 2: Irish history in an honest but not too depressing way. 491 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 2: I find the history of the famine is still not 492 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 2: understood properly in the UK, so always good when it's 493 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 2: discussed well, I think I mentioned in an earlier email, 494 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 2: but my fiance makes a sweet version of guinness bread 495 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: that includes treckle, making it much richer and darker, but 496 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 2: still has to be eaten with Irish butter. Come to 497 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 2: think of it, I'm not sure soda bread is anything 498 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: other than a socially acceptable way to eat too much butter. 499 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 2: As for yas pet chops, here sell something called a yaka, 500 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 2: which is hardened yac cheese and dark puppy. Barren Oh, 501 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 2: named from the Tolkien character in the Cimillion, loves them 502 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 2: and they're meant to be very good for him and 503 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 2: his teeth. He certainly likes them more than a guinness 504 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 2: see attached before and after pictures. 505 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: So cute. 506 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 2: Also, the name is great yes, yes, Oh, my goodness 507 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 2: faces beautiful. Yeah. That was so. Immediately after we finished 508 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 2: recording that episode about yas, I was like, how do 509 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 2: I go at yac cheese? I need to order some, 510 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 2: And the answer is essentially you can get it in 511 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 2: dog treats in the United States and that's it. There 512 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 2: are There have been a couple of like specialty cheesemakers 513 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 2: and ranchers around the US that have produced yac cheese 514 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 2: or restaurants that have imported yak cheese. But it's really neat, 515 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 2: it's really niche and difficult to find, which is such 516 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 2: a shame because I realized blatedly also that I never 517 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 2: really put like a like a like tasting notes in 518 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 2: the milk or cheese part of the yak thing. And partially, 519 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, like we were talking about so 520 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 2: many different kinds of cheese, as it's impossible to give 521 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 2: a single flavor profile. But I saw the milk described 522 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 2: as like unexpectedly sweet and herbal like, like you know, 523 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 2: you get this like finish of all of these like 524 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 2: grasses and herbs, which makes sense because yaks are grazing 525 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 2: on different stuff than what most most of the rest 526 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 2: of the world of dairy drinkers are used to used 527 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 2: to their bow vines from grazing on. 528 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe one day, yeah, yep, just need to 529 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:35,399 Speaker 1: go hug some yaks and eat their products. Also, any 530 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: excuse to eat a lot of butter? Oh and I understand. 531 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 2: Yes, certainly not no, uh yeah, And I might have 532 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 2: forgotten to mention the Guinness, the Guinness Setta, Ginnessetta breads, 533 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 2: M did I I don't have no idea. It was 534 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 2: so long ago. 535 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: Who can remember. Certainly we've ever done an episode on tea, 536 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: but some listeners have written in with recipes. I'm I'm 537 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: thinking on my I might try, I might try. 538 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, time to make a comeback from my last 539 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 3: not great attempt, but yeah, oh. 540 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,919 Speaker 1: Gosh, and this with the seafood chowder right sounds so good? 541 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, mm well, Thank you so much to 542 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: both of these listeners for writing in. If you would 543 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: like to write you as you can, Our email is 544 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: hello at savorpod dot com. 545 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 2: We're also on social media. You can find us on 546 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 2: Blue Sky and Instagram at savor pod, and we do 547 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 2: hope to hear from you. 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