WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Shapes And Sizes

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals Booth Podcast. The it comes all shape sen sizes. Addition,

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<v Speaker 1>as I take an in depth look at the top

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<v Speaker 1>offensive and defensive line prospects in this year's draft with

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<v Speaker 1>line play expert Brandon Thorn, and after talking to Brandon,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do my second version of a three round Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>mock draft, detailing who is still on the board at

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<v Speaker 1>the time and why I made each of my picks.

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<v Speaker 1>greatest thing since the Alford Packer Restaurant and Grill. My son,

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<v Speaker 1>the dining halls when it was built. See you, students

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<v Speaker 1>in a landslide vote was Alford Packer. Who is that

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<v Speaker 1>Packer Restaurant and grill is have a friend for lunch. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get to football. The NFL Draft is two weeks

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<v Speaker 1>away and the overwhelming consensus of the draft gurus is

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<v Speaker 1>that the Bengals are likely to take an offensive or

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<v Speaker 1>defensive tackle in the first round. But which one should

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<v Speaker 1>they select. I discuss that and the state of the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals offensive line this week with Brandon Thorne, an expert

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<v Speaker 1>an offensive and defensive line play who is part of

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<v Speaker 1>the draft coverage team at bleacher Report. Brandon, we will

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<v Speaker 1>get to the draft in just a bit, but let's

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<v Speaker 1>start with the Bengals offseason acquisition of Trent Brown. When healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>you have referred to him as one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>effective pass protectors at the position with dominant stretches as

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<v Speaker 1>a run blocker. He'll be thirty one this year with

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<v Speaker 1>nine years of NFL wear and tear. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>think the Bengals are getting in Trent Brown?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly what you just said, pretty much, assuming that he

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<v Speaker 2>is healthy and you know, at least going to start

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<v Speaker 2>the year healthy. It's a you know, a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a chore for him or has been, to stay

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<v Speaker 2>healthy throughout a season. So that's really why I think

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<v Speaker 2>more than anything, he's bounced around at different places throughout

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<v Speaker 2>his career, but pretty much when he's on the field,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think he's a really good pass protector

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<v Speaker 2>and definitely at least a good run blocker with like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, stretches of being able to run behind him,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in the run game, you know, almost quite literally,

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<v Speaker 2>just the way he could cave into defenders and even

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of move as well, you know, to get

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<v Speaker 2>up to the second level here and there as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's yeah, I mean, he's he's one of the more,

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<v Speaker 2>if not the most athletic, like three hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>plus pound offensive lineman in the league. I think, certainly

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<v Speaker 2>in the conversation, I think he's more athletic than you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Sara Orlando Brown. On the other side, it's just Orlando's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like ruthlessly consistent, you know, in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>availability and things like that. So that's what makes him,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, as valuable as he is, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>But in terms of a skill level athletic ability, I

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<v Speaker 2>think Trent Brown is a really quality player at least

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<v Speaker 2>in the short term.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you view it as an upgrade from Jonah.

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<v Speaker 2>Williams, Yeah, I do, Yeah, I do. He hasn't played

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<v Speaker 2>right tackle in you know, a few years now, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's one of those unique cases where he's he probably

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<v Speaker 2>has just off the top of my head, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty starts at left and right tackle at least, that's

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of a number that I'm just thinking of

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<v Speaker 2>off the top of my head. But yeah, so he

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<v Speaker 2>kind of unique in that regard. But but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>do think it's an upgrade really just for what he

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<v Speaker 2>can do as a pass protector. I just think it's

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<v Speaker 2>just a little bit a little bit better. He can

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<v Speaker 2>match up better one on one with the higher level

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<v Speaker 2>pass rushers, I think, and that's really the separator there.

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<v Speaker 1>So looking at the group as it stands right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously this could change after the draft. Orlando Brown

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<v Speaker 1>junior at left tackle, Cordell Volson left guard, Ted Karris center,

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Kappa right guard, Trent Brown right tackle, how would

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<v Speaker 1>you describe that group?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that group is pretty good. I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't have like rankings in front of me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not haven't done that yet obviously, you know, with

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<v Speaker 2>all the things that still have to play out, But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just I would say this is a middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the pack kind of line probably. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>have questions that you know, left guard and to a

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<v Speaker 2>lesser degree, center, I mean, I know Ted Carris is

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<v Speaker 2>he's kind of outperformed what I what I thought, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>because he's always been, you know, from Miami and New

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<v Speaker 2>England just kind of either a spot starter, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's definitely performed at a solid level. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>you could probably upgrade that position in this draft. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and then left guard, I think you could definitely upgrade

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<v Speaker 2>that position in this draft. So those are the two spots.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe kind of weigh it down a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 2>I would say there's no glaring hole, you know, which

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<v Speaker 2>is nice, so pretty good solid middle of the pack

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<v Speaker 2>I think is a fair assessment.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now. Let's turn the defensive line. The Bengals signed

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<v Speaker 1>Sheldon Rankins to a two year contract list offseason to

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<v Speaker 1>try to beef up their interior pass rush. He says

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<v Speaker 1>he's underrated against the run. What do you think overall

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<v Speaker 1>of Sheldon Rankings.

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<v Speaker 2>I like Sheldon Rankings, you know, I think he's probably solid,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, okay against the run, but more so, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>while you sign him ideally as you know, really just

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<v Speaker 2>because of what he could do as a pass rusher.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a really good spin move, you know, really

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<v Speaker 2>a variety of counters. I would say he's a very

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<v Speaker 2>crafty pass rusher, and I'm just really excited and glad

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<v Speaker 2>that he's able to kind of reclaim some of the

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<v Speaker 2>explosiveness that wasn't always there. He had some pretty serious injuries.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, he had one real serious injury early on

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<v Speaker 2>in his career, and it looked like he may not

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<v Speaker 2>regain what he once was. But I you know, after

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<v Speaker 2>the last couple of seasons, I think he's cleared that

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<v Speaker 2>bar and now he's kind of back to what he

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<v Speaker 2>was early on. And you know, I think he's definitely

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<v Speaker 2>an above average, if not like very good pass rusher.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and I don't I don't think Cincinnati's had that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think BJ Hill's pretty solid in that regard.

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<v Speaker 2>But now you have two guys that are viable threats

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<v Speaker 2>rushing the passer interior, you know, on the interior the

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<v Speaker 2>defensive line. I don't think Cincinnati's had that. And in

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<v Speaker 2>quite a while.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals wanted to keep DJ Reader he signed with

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<v Speaker 1>the Lions instead. How concerned should we be about the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals run defense without DJ Reader?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's that's the trade off here. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're improving the pass rush pretty significantly from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Reader to Rankins, but then you're also, you know, going

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<v Speaker 2>in the other direction in terms of run defense. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's really a trade off here. And now, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're gonna have to probably replace Reader by committee,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I think it's probably honestly easier to

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<v Speaker 2>replace a guy like Reader than it would be to

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<v Speaker 2>lose a similar level player as a pass Rusher, I

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<v Speaker 2>just think that skill set is more valuable. So as

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<v Speaker 2>much as I love DJ Reader, you know, going back

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<v Speaker 2>to I think twenty seventeen Houston when I really studied

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<v Speaker 2>him and fell in love with his game, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's just kind of the reality of it. So

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<v Speaker 2>I actually kind of like the direction that they went,

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<v Speaker 2>even though you are going to experience some loss in

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<v Speaker 2>the run game or defending the run for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon Thorn is our guest. You can find his articles,

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<v Speaker 1>film breakdowns, and podcast at Trench Warfare dot substack dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's turn to the draft. Is it a historically good

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<v Speaker 1>group of offensive linemen in your opinion?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's probably fair. You know, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>studying every offensive lineman for four years now. This is

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<v Speaker 2>my fourth year, so I would say it's the best

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<v Speaker 2>class that i've seen, with twenty twenty one being a

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<v Speaker 2>fairly close second, you know, and we had a really

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<v Speaker 2>good class the end, but I think it's a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit better than that. And you know, it depends on

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<v Speaker 2>how you want to project some of these tackles, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you think they're going to stay at tackle or

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<v Speaker 2>go to guard. I think a few of them go

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<v Speaker 2>to guard. So I actually think it's a very well

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<v Speaker 2>rounded class. Because of that, you have some high level tackles, three, four,

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<v Speaker 2>five of them that at least high level talent wise,

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<v Speaker 2>probably two three are going to be really good starters

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<v Speaker 2>right away, and another couple could be. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>guys that I have projected inside, I think all could

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<v Speaker 2>be you know, pretty much good guards right away. So

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<v Speaker 2>you have three four really good guards, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>know at center, this class I think is historically deep

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of guys who could potentially start games within

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<v Speaker 2>the rookie contract. Not that they're going to be full

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<v Speaker 2>time instant starters, but you do have a few of

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<v Speaker 2>those guys as well. I just think there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of potential throughout this draft at center, you know, in particular.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's it's a deep, well rounded class, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's really fun to talk about. I'm not even

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<v Speaker 2>done evaluating it yet.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Bengals have the eighteenth overall pick. They generally

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<v Speaker 1>do not trade up in the first round, so for

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, we're not even going to consider a trade up.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll just talk about guys that might be there at

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<v Speaker 1>number eighteen. I'm assuming there's no way that Joe Alt

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<v Speaker 1>will be there. It seems like every single mock draft

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<v Speaker 1>that I've looked at he's long gone by the number eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>But after that, several others will be gone. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to tell which guys because there's kind of beauty

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<v Speaker 1>in the eyes of the beholder in this draft. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's take a look at some of the possibilities, at

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<v Speaker 1>least beginning with JC Latham from Alabama six ' five

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<v Speaker 1>three forty. I know you did a film breakdown with him.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of JC Latham potentially as the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals right tackle of the future.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it'd be a great fit for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of guys, a lot of teams that right tackle. Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 2>in particular, just with the way that they operate, especially

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<v Speaker 2>in the run game. I think it would fit in

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<v Speaker 2>Clement Orlando Brown well. And you know, JC Latham I've

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<v Speaker 2>described as probably the strongest offensive lineman in this class

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of pure strength play strength. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the term vice scripts gets thrown around, I think in

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<v Speaker 2>scouting circles a little loosely at times, but it is

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<v Speaker 2>as apt for him as anybody that I could recall

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<v Speaker 2>over the last four years. Truly, he's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>more difficult guys to work through or to beat going

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<v Speaker 2>through him, so you know, just straight line power and

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<v Speaker 2>then his anchor ability as well to stop power is

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<v Speaker 2>really really good, you know special. I think is fair

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<v Speaker 2>to say he's kind of in the mold of the

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<v Speaker 2>Tevin Jenkins or Darnell Wright last year. It's just he's

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<v Speaker 2>bigger than both of those guys in terms of length

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<v Speaker 2>and weight. So you know, I'm a big fan of him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's my number three tackle in this class. I have

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, kind of a mid first round grade

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<v Speaker 2>on him. I think that's probably where he's going to go.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I just think, you know, if all else

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<v Speaker 2>fails and he doesn't really kind of refine the nuances

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<v Speaker 2>in his game, specifically in past protection, he has something

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<v Speaker 2>to fall back on, and that's elite level play strength.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that is something that I really

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<v Speaker 2>feel good about betting on with a lot of guys,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think, you know, with Jenkins and Darnel Wright,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just being able to carve out a role

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<v Speaker 2>even though like with Jenkins, couldn't make tackle work, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>granted he got moved around. That's a whole other thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's a quality starter now because he's so strong

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<v Speaker 2>and big and physically imposing and it's legit. And then

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<v Speaker 2>Darnall Wright what he did last year, I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be probably a quality starter for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>So I see at least that with Latham, he just

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<v Speaker 2>has a little bit more upside than those guys, I

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<v Speaker 2>think because of his size, and yeah, so I'm a fan.

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<v Speaker 1>If he's your third tackle, who are one and two?

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<v Speaker 2>Olufshanu is number two and then Joe Walt's number one.

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<v Speaker 1>Latham didn't test at the Combine or at his pro day.

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<v Speaker 1>Any red flag there where you're concerned.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not not really, because I think you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>know what you're getting, you know, based on just watching

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<v Speaker 2>him on film. You know, I think he's a If

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<v Speaker 2>he did test, it would probably be like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a good athlete, not a not a great athlete.

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<v Speaker 2>And everybody's you know, three hundred and forty pounds too,

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<v Speaker 2>So not too much of a red flag for me, honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I think, you know, the play strength and

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<v Speaker 2>the power and the anchoring ability is really what you're

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<v Speaker 2>paying for, you know, sort of speak in the draft

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<v Speaker 2>and can't really measure that with the testing anyway, So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he would have bombed it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon Thorn is our guest. You can follow him on

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<v Speaker 1>x at Brandon Thorn NFL. Let's talk about Troy fa

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<v Speaker 1>Utanu of Washington next. He's not as big as some

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<v Speaker 1>of the others. Six four three seventeen, mostly played left

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<v Speaker 1>tackle in college. Some see him as a guard in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL. What do you think of Utanu overall and

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<v Speaker 1>and then specifically as a potential right tackle.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big fan of Fatanu, and he's my number

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<v Speaker 2>one guard in the draft, and so you know, projecting

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<v Speaker 2>him inside, he's one of maybe two guys who I

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<v Speaker 2>think have true five position flexibility, along with Graham Barton

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<v Speaker 2>from Duke. But yeah, I just you know, I said

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<v Speaker 2>this on multiple podcasts already, But it's like every time

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<v Speaker 2>I think about Fatanu, you know, and and I've listened

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, some smart people talk about him. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>some people see for Sean Slater and I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I could see that. Some people have even said Marquise

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<v Speaker 2>Pouncey at center. I'm like, yeah, I could see that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then for me, I think the ideal fit for

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<v Speaker 2>him is as guard, and I see him being a

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<v Speaker 2>caliber of player as like Ali Marpette was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody like that. He's a little bit longer than Marpette was,

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<v Speaker 2>but some similarities in their game, I think. And I

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<v Speaker 2>just think his play style fits ideally at guard. He's

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<v Speaker 2>very aggressive and that could get him into trouble at tackle,

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<v Speaker 2>and it did you know here and there at Washington,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just think that that could be a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit pronounced, you know, in the NFL. That's the difference

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<v Speaker 2>between him and Rashaun Slater to me, as Rashawn Slater

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<v Speaker 2>was more patient, more tactful in his approach, whereas Fatan,

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<v Speaker 2>who is much more aggressive and kind of a frenetic

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<v Speaker 2>energy that he brings to the to the field that's

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<v Speaker 2>very different than Slater. So I just think that would

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<v Speaker 2>be ideal inside. It would be kind of a seamless

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<v Speaker 2>transition for him, and I see a really high level player.

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<v Speaker 2>He's one of the four or five best overall offensive

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<v Speaker 2>linemen in the draft in my opinion. So yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a huge fan of him, and he's you know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best guys in this class.

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<v Speaker 1>Up next to Lasi Fauaga of Oregon State, another big

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<v Speaker 1>man at six six three twenty four. He's been a

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<v Speaker 1>starting right tackle for the last couple of years, a

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<v Speaker 1>team captain. The Bengals like that. He was excellent to

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<v Speaker 1>during the Senior Bowl. What stands out when you watch

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<v Speaker 1>for Waga large frame.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's well dispersed, you know, like thickness throughout

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<v Speaker 2>his build, big hands, you know, decent adequate length, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's very quick. You know, he operated in a run

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<v Speaker 2>first his own heavy scheme at Oregon State, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, fit him maximized what he did

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<v Speaker 2>well in terms of as a run blocker. I think

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<v Speaker 2>he has a case for being the best run blocker

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<v Speaker 2>in the in the class, so that's really his you know,

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<v Speaker 2>where he wins primarily. Pass protection is good, not great,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say, I think, really when you dig into his film,

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<v Speaker 2>even at the Senior Bowl, he has issues protecting the

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<v Speaker 2>corner against high level speed rushers who know how to

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<v Speaker 2>set up their moves, and he's vulnerable to the cross

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<v Speaker 2>chop technique in particular getting that outside hand chopped and

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<v Speaker 2>creating a short corner. You know, I posted ten clips

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<v Speaker 2>of that on Twitter. There's more from his tape and

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<v Speaker 2>then their senior Bowl examples as well. So for that reason,

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<v Speaker 2>I have n't projected inside where I see like kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a supercharged Viti who has been a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a guard in the NFL. He's just more athletic than

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<v Speaker 2>he was. You could even see shades of like a

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<v Speaker 2>mic you Potty, you know, somebody like that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I see a high level guard here. He has

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<v Speaker 2>all the makings of it. So I'm a fan. I

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, I have some reservations with him sticking

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<v Speaker 2>a tackle as well.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the players most frequently mock draft to the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals is Amrius Mims from Georgia. He looks like Orlando

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<v Speaker 1>Brown junior and Trent Brown in terms of the size six'

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<v Speaker 1>eight three forty. He wouldn't have to start right away

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<v Speaker 1>at right tackle since Trent Brown is signed for a year.

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<v Speaker 1>The big thing that everybody always brings up is the

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<v Speaker 1>lack of experience only eight college starts. How big of

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<v Speaker 1>a concern is that? And what do you think of Mims?

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<v Speaker 2>For me? You know, Mims is my fourth tackle in

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<v Speaker 2>this draft, and you know I don't have as much

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<v Speaker 2>concerns there. You know, I have a high second round

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<v Speaker 2>grade on him, you know, which for us is a

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<v Speaker 2>potential impact starter, you know, right on the fringe of

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<v Speaker 2>first round, like late first, early second kind of you know,

0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:14.280
<v Speaker 2>he's assuming he's going to go earlier than that. But

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, not as much of a concern with him

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<v Speaker 2>because when you watch his film, I don't see many

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<v Speaker 2>bad habits on his film. So it's really truly kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like a blank canvas and you're working with really

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<v Speaker 2>really good tools to make something really special here. In

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<v Speaker 2>terms of how he looks, you know, you mentioned Orlando

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<v Speaker 2>and Trent Brown on paper, Yeah, but when you look

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<v Speaker 2>at him, he doesn't look anything like those guys. He's

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<v Speaker 2>just much more lean. He carries his weight in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that is rare, I would say, you know, at

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<v Speaker 2>his size. So just really truly a physical specimen in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that you don't often see. Natural pass protecting

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<v Speaker 2>ability and movement skills is really what stands out most

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<v Speaker 2>to me and why I you know, kind of jumped

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<v Speaker 2>on his evaluation and graded him. You know, what I

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<v Speaker 2>feel is pretty highly considering your only played eight games.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so I'm a fan, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>He's one of the four best tackles in the class,

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<v Speaker 2>and going to a situation like Cincinnati would be ideal,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in a lot of ways. They were like

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<v Speaker 2>Philly obviously, but yeah, somewhere where you don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>play right away, you have a good offensive line coach,

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<v Speaker 2>a good offensive line room with multiple guys that you

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<v Speaker 2>could learn from that are at least in the ballpark

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<v Speaker 2>of what you look like, you know, and maybe how

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<v Speaker 2>you would play a little bit, you know, at least

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<v Speaker 2>to some degree. So yeah, that'd be a great fit,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think for mims to develop and get

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<v Speaker 2>the most out of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's circle back to your number two tackle, Olufashinu from

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<v Speaker 1>Penn State six six ' three twelve, the left tackle

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<v Speaker 1>for the Nitney Lions. Probably not going to be there

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<v Speaker 1>at number eighteen for the Bengals, but if he somehow was,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think of that fit playing right tackle

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<v Speaker 1>in Cincinnati since Orlando Brown Junior is pretty much guaranteed

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<v Speaker 1>to be the left tackle for the next three years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it would be a little bit more peculiar of

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<v Speaker 2>a fit, but I guess if you dropped it, the

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<v Speaker 2>value would be great and you'd have to do it

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<v Speaker 2>in some sense if you're thinking about memes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's just he's ready to go right now. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, having a guy like that on the bench,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, would be you know, kind of weird, but

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I mean the value would be great. And

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<v Speaker 2>for Shan who I think first and foremost, it's his

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<v Speaker 2>ability as a pass protector. You know, when he was

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<v Speaker 2>a nineteen year old sophomore last year. You know, he

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<v Speaker 2>turned twenty in season, but he was nineteen years old.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember watching him for the first time and right away,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, wow, like this guy. There's something special about

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<v Speaker 2>him in terms of how he looks, you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of measurable's physical traits, and then how he moves

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<v Speaker 2>in past protection in particular, he's I would say, a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty significantly better pass protector than run blocker, although that

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<v Speaker 2>did kind of even out late this season. You saw

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<v Speaker 2>some some glimmers there of more as a run blocker,

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<v Speaker 2>which was nice to see. But he's definitely a guy

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<v Speaker 2>who wins with his past protection ability. He's he's strong,

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<v Speaker 2>uh and just you know, long, and just his movement

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<v Speaker 2>skills in past protection just sort of has an uncanny

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<v Speaker 2>ability to mirror guys that is I think pretty special

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<v Speaker 2>and the best football is in front of him. He

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<v Speaker 2>has twenty twenty one starts. He's pretty inexperienced as well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, not like Mems, but he hasn't played a

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<v Speaker 2>whole lot of football yet and I still think he

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<v Speaker 2>has a lot of a room to improve. He he

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<v Speaker 2>reminds me he's in kind of that similar vein as

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<v Speaker 2>like a Ryan Clady to brickish Off Ferguson, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>those kind of guys who are past protectors first. So

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<v Speaker 2>that that's kind of what I see with him, and

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, I think he's a really quality prospect.

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<v Speaker 2>And like Alton, like Latham and Mems and Guidon and

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<v Speaker 2>all these guys, they're very young. This is a very

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<v Speaker 2>young class at least that top five to six. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're all twenty one years old. So I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>that's a big part of why this tackle class so

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<v Speaker 2>alluring is because these guys are all so young. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's another part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you mentioned Tyler Geyiton from Oklahoma. His name pops

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<v Speaker 1>up on First Round MOX along with some others. Kingsley

0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:19.639
<v Speaker 1>Suamataea from Byu Jordan, Morgan from Arizona. Roger Rosengarten popped

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<v Speaker 1>up on mel Kiper's latest mock draft as a first

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<v Speaker 1>round pick. Today, when you look at that other crop

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<v Speaker 1>of guys, do you think that any of them are

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<v Speaker 1>worthy of the Bengals choosing them at number eighteen?

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<v Speaker 2>On my personal board, I think that would be you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a stretch, you know. With Geyton

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<v Speaker 2>in particular, he'd be the next guy. He's my fifth tackle.

0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:45.399
<v Speaker 2>I have projected Jordan Morgan inside a guard. But Tyler Goydon,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I have kind of a mid you know,

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<v Speaker 2>or so second round grade. And that's just because as

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to Mimes, that was kind of the conversation, you know,

0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:57.000
<v Speaker 2>for me at least, and even Sue Matia is splitting

0:22:57.040 --> 0:23:00.280
<v Speaker 2>that trio up for me. I think Goton he does

0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:02.440
<v Speaker 2>have some bad habits that need to get ironed out,

0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:07.479
<v Speaker 2>and he is very inexperienced as well, so that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to me is the difference between him and Mims. But

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<v Speaker 2>he's another guy who's about six ' eight, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>close to six ' eight, uh, you know, about twenty

0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:18.959
<v Speaker 2>pounds lighter than Mims, but he moves even better than Mims.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, which understandably so being lighter, but he really

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<v Speaker 2>is truly one of those guys when you watch him,

0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:30.040
<v Speaker 2>he collides across the field and at that size, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he also has a really strong natural anchor. You know,

0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 2>typically if you're if you're a really big guy who

0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:38.920
<v Speaker 2>moves really well, you know, anchoring is one of those

0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:40.880
<v Speaker 2>things that's kind of an achilles He will, he can

0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:42.720
<v Speaker 2>do that. He can handle the bull rush, he can

0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:47.080
<v Speaker 2>handle power rushes. It's just in terms of set points

0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:50.439
<v Speaker 2>and not going too far, not setting short, not getting

0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:54.520
<v Speaker 2>beat cleanly, you know, because he misaligns his target. That's

0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:57.679
<v Speaker 2>something that's just kind of reoccurring on his film. So

0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:00.240
<v Speaker 2>he needs to iron more stuff out, I would say,

0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:04.160
<v Speaker 2>than a guy like Mems. But the potential is certainly there,

0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:06.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, to be a potential impact starter, which is

0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:09.840
<v Speaker 2>my grade. It's just a little bit lower on that spectrum.

0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.600
<v Speaker 2>And if he goes into the right situation, I think

0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:14.560
<v Speaker 2>that is going to be huge for him, a similar

0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:17.480
<v Speaker 2>situation that Mims is probably going to need with kind

0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 2>of a veteran room where you you know, not a

0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:22.240
<v Speaker 2>whole lot of pressure to be the guy right away,

0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:25.159
<v Speaker 2>even if he plays right away you know, just going

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:28.160
<v Speaker 2>somewhere where he's the second or third or fourth best

0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:30.760
<v Speaker 2>offensive lineman, you know, to start, I think would be

0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:32.920
<v Speaker 2>great for him just to kind of ease his transition

0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:35.600
<v Speaker 2>into the league. But I mean there's a lot of

0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:37.639
<v Speaker 2>upside there to be to be a really good starter.

0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.919
<v Speaker 2>He has the bones, you know, the foundation there to

0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 2>you know that if he won in the first round,

0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be surprised at all.

0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Offensive and defensive line analyst Brandon Thorn is our guest.

0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:51.359
<v Speaker 1>You can find his work at Trench Warfare dot substack

0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:55.600
<v Speaker 1>dot com. The Bengals also need a defensive tackle. Two

0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:58.639
<v Speaker 1>names pop up most frequently as possibilities for the number

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:02.359
<v Speaker 1>eighteen overall pick And Murphy of Texas and Johnny Newton

0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 1>of Illinois. Do you have a strong preference?

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Not really, No, I mean I haven't really studied these guys.

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 2>I've definitely seen them both play a fair amount of

0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:16.640
<v Speaker 2>studying other offensive linemen, and they both flash. They both

0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 2>look like guys who are deserving of this recognition, and

0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:23.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, probably warrant you know, a mid to late

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:27.160
<v Speaker 2>first round grade. You know, I've always been a little

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 2>bit partial to Newton just because I've watched him more.

0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:34.200
<v Speaker 2>I think that's probably the main reason. And even going

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.360
<v Speaker 2>back to last year, I remember him being a guy

0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:38.480
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Yeah, this is clearly a guy who's

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.280
<v Speaker 2>gonna start in the NFL, and then this year, you know,

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:44.399
<v Speaker 2>did nothing to change that. He actually reminds me a

0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of Sheldon Richardson, who you know, I got to

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:50.680
<v Speaker 2>study a good bit throughout his career. He's retired now,

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:53.960
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, a very similar sort of player. And that's

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:56.600
<v Speaker 2>the kind of ceiling you know, that I see for

0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:59.199
<v Speaker 2>him as well, which would be outstanding. That's worth the

0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:02.600
<v Speaker 2>first round grade. But with him, his ability to disengage

0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:05.960
<v Speaker 2>and to shed blocks and to deconstruct blocks is really

0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 2>what appeals to me so much. So yeah, I really

0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:12.400
<v Speaker 2>like him, and I think both those guys would make

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 2>sense for Cincinnati. And you know, I've been wanting Cincinnati

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:19.440
<v Speaker 2>to get better on the interior of their defensive line

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.520
<v Speaker 2>for a while now in terms of just more juice there.

0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:26.000
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I think both those guys would provide, you know,

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:29.480
<v Speaker 2>some jolt to that room and make it a strength,

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:30.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, which would be awesome.

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 1>After losing DJ Reader, the Bengals would love to add

0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 1>a nose tackle type at some point they've got ten

0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 1>draft picks to and Andre Sweat didn't help himself with

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 1>his recent DWI. How is this crop in terms of

0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 1>run stuffing defensive tackles as far as you know.

0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 2>As far as I know, I don't think it's very good,

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:54.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, in that way. I think for the most part,

0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:57.120
<v Speaker 2>you're getting guys who were going to win as pass

0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:01.280
<v Speaker 2>rushers first, you know, penetrating upfield type of guys who

0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 2>rely more on athletic ability than anything else. Some versatile

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:09.120
<v Speaker 2>pieces here for sure, but yeah, in terms of nose tackles,

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I just I don't think this is a very good class. Sweat,

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, being one of those guys who could fill

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:17.359
<v Speaker 2>that role. McKinley Jackson, I think from Texas A and

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:20.960
<v Speaker 2>m is another guy who's a nose tackle who's routinely

0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:24.400
<v Speaker 2>graded kind of outside the first two maybe three rounds,

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:27.640
<v Speaker 2>you know. So other than that, as far as guys

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:31.919
<v Speaker 2>that I've seen, nobody really stands out in terms of

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:35.159
<v Speaker 2>nose tackles. So maybe there's another guy out there, a

0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 2>dark horse that I don't know about. Like I said,

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm not you know, kind of grinding through this position.

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:42.439
<v Speaker 2>Like I am offensive line, but but yeah, just you know,

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:45.119
<v Speaker 2>for my opinion, I don't think that there is really

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:47.760
<v Speaker 2>a lot of options, you know, higher end options than

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 2>this class.

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 1>So with ten draft picks, based on what you've been

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:55.480
<v Speaker 1>telling us on this podcast, the Bengals have the opportunity

0:27:55.600 --> 0:28:01.120
<v Speaker 1>certainly to address right tackle, potentially a Ted Kerra successor

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:04.360
<v Speaker 1>at center, and maybe somebody that can compete competed left

0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:05.479
<v Speaker 1>guard with Cordell Volson.

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah. I mean I'm I'm a little biased,

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm always partial to uh to strengthening that position.

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, I like to think that

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 2>I can, you know, I could try to reach you know,

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:23.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of an objective level, you know, to some degree.

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 2>And I think with Cincinnati, I don't have a lot invested,

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, in any team really so, but just looking

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 2>at them as an outside observer, somebody does like offensive

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:34.159
<v Speaker 2>line play. I don't know that it is like a

0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 2>super pressing need. Honestly, Definitely, addressing one spot for sure,

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, with with a lot of draft capital first

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 2>round pick would be great, But like you know, restocking

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 2>the position, I don't know that it is super pressing

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 2>for them considering you know, courtA Wolson, although you know, replaceable,

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:56.240
<v Speaker 2>still pretty young, you know, and you would think that

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 2>he could, you know, kind of touch up some areas

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 2>of his game and still just incrementally get a little

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:06.320
<v Speaker 2>bit better. So if that's your weakest link, then yeah,

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean you're probably not too pressed for resources there,

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 2>although I will say that the depth, you know, is

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:15.240
<v Speaker 2>certainly in need of a boost, you know, as I

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 2>would say, ninety nine percent of offensive lines are probably

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 2>ninety five percent, So getting a high end kind of

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 2>guy with that first round pick and then addressing it later,

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 2>maybe late Day two or early Day three, you know,

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:28.640
<v Speaker 2>would probably be ideal. And I think you could get

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 2>a really quality dep player at that spot. So that's

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 2>probably the way I would go in, you know, for

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 2>most teams, honestly, you know, getting a Day one, Day

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 2>two pick and a Day three pick on the offensive

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 2>line every draft, it's probably a pretty good idea.

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 1>All right. A couple more topics for our guest, Brandon Thorn,

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:48.240
<v Speaker 1>the Bengals first round pick last year, was a pass

0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 1>rusher in Miles Murphy. How did he do in his

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>limited playing time as a rookie?

0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, I think that there were some flashes there,

0:29:56.880 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 2>and you know that's well not maybe deal. You know,

0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 2>for for a guy where you drafted him, you'd want

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more consistency there. I do think that

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 2>there were the flashes that you saw at Clemson as well.

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, I remember the game a few years ago

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:15.960
<v Speaker 2>against ikey Ikwan, who you know from NC State. He

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.440
<v Speaker 2>had a really good game against him, and just he

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 2>has first round ability. It's just a matter of stringing

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 2>it together, consistently, being more consistent with his technique, you know,

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 2>against the run, so he could be on the field

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 2>more so then he could afford himself more opportunities to

0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 2>rush the passer. I think it's about reps and time

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 2>and earning that ability to be on the field more

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 2>and once he is, you would just think especially you know,

0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 2>being in a good environment like Cincinnati, good coaching. You know,

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:46.719
<v Speaker 2>you have a guy like Trey Hendrickson to kind of

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, follow and emulate. I mean, this is a

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 2>good situation for him to maximize his potential. So you know,

0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 2>I would say that it was kind of an uneven

0:30:56.480 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 2>year as a rookie, but I do see maybe some

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 2>of what Cincinnati sees in terms of like why you're

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 2>so enticed by him because just at his size, some

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 2>of his explosive ability, his ability to string moves together

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 2>at times and really beat guys quickly. I mean, yeah,

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 2>there's there's something there. It's just it's about rounding out

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 2>the edges and being more consistent with technique and things

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:24.480
<v Speaker 2>like that. So the details. So yeah, I think that's

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of where he is right now.

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>One of the things you do at Trench Warfare is

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 1>really breakdown pressures. How did Trey Hendrickson fair last year.

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 2>In terms of fewest snaps per pressure? He's like in

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 2>the top twenty, you know, top fifteen twenty or so,

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 2>right around like the Shawan, Gary, Jadavian Clowney, Alex high

0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Smith kind of range in terms of efficiency in terms

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 2>of you know, pressure wise, And then you know, I

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 2>have another thing for high quality pressures per snap and

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 2>he's in a similar kind of range as well. So

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 2>I would say it was a good year by his standards.

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Maybe not his best year, but you know, I don't

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 2>recall if he was dinged up a little bit too,

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember that, But but yeah, I just think

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 2>Trey Henderson is what he is at this point. You know,

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 2>and he's a really good player, a really good pass rusher.

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.840
<v Speaker 2>And even if my numbers in that in those couple

0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 2>metrics didn't totally reflect it, you know, being like a

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 2>top ten guy, I think he's a top fifteen or

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 2>so edge rusher in the league. And that may seem

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 2>like it's a slight but I think people need to

0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 2>remember just how deep this position is edge rusher that is.

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 2>It's just there's some great players, you know, in the

0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 2>top four or five, and then there's some very good

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 2>guys just kind of like in the top twenty. So

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 2>but what I will say about Trey last year, you

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 2>know my I also grade every sack and he finished

0:32:56.800 --> 0:33:00.880
<v Speaker 2>first among edge rushers, tied with TJ. Watt in my

0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 2>sack score metric, which measures the quality of sacks. So

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 2>he had twelve high quality sacks last year, which was

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 2>tied with TJ. Watt for the most of the NFL. So,

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, he really got after it as a as

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:16.400
<v Speaker 2>a pass rusher in terms of bringing down the quarterback

0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 2>for sacks and you know, three strip sacks and yeah,

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:22.160
<v Speaker 2>so he was kind of a monster in the sack

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 2>department last year, and pressures were a little bit more,

0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, top twenty ish range.

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Final question for Brandon Thorn. The Bengals lost their offensive

0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>coordinator Brian Callahan to the Titans as their new head coach,

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 1>and that means the Cleveland Browns lost his dad, Dull

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Callahan as their offensive line coach. How significant is that

0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 1>loss for Cleveland?

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I think is really significant, especially because his assistant, longtime assistant,

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Scott Peters also left, took a head job with the Patriots.

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 2>So you know, even the guy who is his understudy,

0:33:57.200 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 2>who maybe could have, you know, least care read some

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 2>of what Bill Callahan brought, he's gone too. So it's

0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 2>a total clean slate there. So yeah, I think it's

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:11.319
<v Speaker 2>a significant loss. I think Bill Callahan is really on

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:14.120
<v Speaker 2>the Mount Rushmore of offensive line coaches, if not all time,

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 2>certainly within the last probably fifteen twenty years, you know,

0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:21.239
<v Speaker 2>with Jeff stout linn Mike Munchek, those are probably where

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:23.919
<v Speaker 2>be the names where I would start. And so, yeah,

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:25.960
<v Speaker 2>he's he's one of the very best. He's gonna make

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:28.840
<v Speaker 2>everybody better, He's going to get the most out of everybody.

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:33.600
<v Speaker 2>His attention to detail is maybe unrivaled in the NFL.

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 2>He's he's truly a master, you know, tactician, you know,

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:42.279
<v Speaker 2>and just just his his techniques and his ability to

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 2>teach is tremendous. So losing that is is going to

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 2>be tough, especially because Cleveland maybe going through a little

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:54.360
<v Speaker 2>bit you know of turnover with their offensive line, not

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:57.719
<v Speaker 2>at guard, but you know, maybe looking at maybe a

0:34:57.760 --> 0:35:00.400
<v Speaker 2>new left tackle soon potentially, and and they have a

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 2>very young one in Dwan Jones. I know Jack Conklin's

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:06.879
<v Speaker 2>coming back. So yeah, I mean, you always feel better

0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:09.279
<v Speaker 2>when a Calie Bill Callahan's there and as opposed to

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:11.959
<v Speaker 2>one he's not. So you know, it's gonna be tough,

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:14.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, to see how they overcome that and you know,

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:15.839
<v Speaker 2>figure it out.

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Engels fans certainly hope you are right. I am a

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:25.080
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0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:28.239
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0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:31.640
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0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Sure, So Trench Warfare dot substack dot com is where

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<v Speaker 2>you can find me. You could subscribe monthly or yearly

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<v Speaker 2>and throughout the year. I'm studying offensive and defensive line

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<v Speaker 2>in season, watching every game every week, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>usually focus on one two players at a time, and

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<v Speaker 2>then throughout the offseason I just go back and watch

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<v Speaker 2>it again pretty much, you know, not necessarily every game,

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<v Speaker 2>but certainly a lot of them. I make a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of player highlight tapes throughout the year, four players, so

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<v Speaker 2>that brings me back, you know, to kind of revisit everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and I you know, I just try to find unique

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<v Speaker 2>angles to look at offensive and defensive line through for

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<v Speaker 2>my for my sub stack subscribers, and try to get

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of players on there. I'm hopefully going to

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<v Speaker 2>get some coaches on there soon, but yeah, just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to shine light on the position, help educate people on

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<v Speaker 2>the position, and just enjoy it, you know, because I

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<v Speaker 2>think when people see the real inner workings of the

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<v Speaker 2>position and what it looks like being executed at the

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<v Speaker 2>highest level through video, especially, then they really start to

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. It's easy to appreciate offensive line when you're

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<v Speaker 2>being shown it kind of in the right context. So

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<v Speaker 2>just try to do that. And yeah, I mean, thankfully,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a decent amount of people were interested in that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just try to serve them as best I can. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals fans are fixated on the offensive linemen in this draft.

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<v Speaker 1>I know they've been looking to learn more about each

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<v Speaker 1>of these guys, and I really appreciate your expertise and

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<v Speaker 1>I look forward to which guys the Bengals come away

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<v Speaker 1>with during that three day stretch. Brandon, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Dan, thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>More on the draft in a moment, but first, a

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<v Speaker 1>of the Bengals. Last week on this podcast, I did

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<v Speaker 1>my first three round Bengals mock draft. That's a total

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<v Speaker 1>of four picks and Cincinnati has an extra pick. In

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<v Speaker 1>the third round. I chose Washington offensive lineman Troy Fatutanu

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<v Speaker 1>in round one, Florida State defensive tackle Brandon Fisk in

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<v Speaker 1>round two, North Carolina wide receiver Devontes Walker with my

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<v Speaker 1>first third round pick, and Florida State cornerback Bernardo Green

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<v Speaker 1>with my second third round pick. Now time for Dan's

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<v Speaker 1>Draft two point zero, and I'm going to use the

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<v Speaker 1>Pro Football Network simulator instead of the Pro Football Focus

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<v Speaker 1>version this time since it's likely to give me different choices.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure enough, Troy fa Utanu is not even an option

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<v Speaker 1>this time around. He was one of four offensive linemen

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<v Speaker 1>taken before the Bengals were on the clock. Joe Alt

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<v Speaker 1>went sixth, Olufashanu seventh, fa Utanu thirteenth, and Talisi Fuaga sixteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, brock Bowers was gone as well. He

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<v Speaker 1>went fifteenth to the Colts. But that left me with

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<v Speaker 1>great options, including offensive tackles JC Latham and a Marius Mims,

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<v Speaker 1>defensive tackles Byron Murphy and Johnny Newton, and LSU wide

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<v Speaker 1>receiver Brian Thomas. I chose Latham the thirteen overall pick

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<v Speaker 1>in the draft, according to the Athletics Dane Brugler, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals starting right tackle for many years to come.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't have to be right away, but the Alabama

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<v Speaker 1>Giant can compete with Trent Brown for the spot this year.

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<v Speaker 1>If the veteran wins the job, Latham is his backup,

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<v Speaker 1>and keep in mind that Trent Brown has missed at

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<v Speaker 1>least five games due to injury in four of the

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<v Speaker 1>last five years, so there's a decent chance that his

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<v Speaker 1>backup will be needed. And if Orlando Brown had to

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<v Speaker 1>miss any time, Trent Brown can move to left tackle

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<v Speaker 1>and Latham can step in on the right side. The

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals would be thrilled if Latham is still there at

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<v Speaker 1>number eighteen in the second round with pick number forty nine. Overall,

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<v Speaker 1>there are some good defensive tackles available, including Rooke or

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<v Speaker 1>Row row Row of Clemson, Michael Hall of Ohio State,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Jenkins of Michigan, and last week's second round selection

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon Fisk. But I went in a different direction this

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<v Speaker 1>time and chose wide receiver Melachi Corley of Western Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a sturdy slot receiver who would immediately replace Tyler

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<v Speaker 1>Boyd in the starting lineup and give the Bengals a

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<v Speaker 1>great yards after catch threat. His nickname at Western Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>was Yack King. He's not a speedster. Corley ran a

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<v Speaker 1>four five six forty at his pro day, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>so dangerous with the ball in his hands that he's

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<v Speaker 1>been compared to Deebo Samuel. Last year, the Bengals didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go offense until the fourth round. This year, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>waiting that long to add a weapon. Taking Corley in

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<v Speaker 1>round two with the first of my third round picks,

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<v Speaker 1>I was able to take one of the defensive tackles

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<v Speaker 1>that I was thinking about in the second round, Michigan's

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Jenkins. Frankly, I couldn't believe he was still there

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<v Speaker 1>at number eighty overall. He's number thirty six on Brugler's

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<v Speaker 1>Big Board. Was a team captain for the National Chains

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<v Speaker 1>and has a great nickname, the Mutant. His dad, Chris Senior,

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<v Speaker 1>was a four time Pro Bowl defensive lineman, and while

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Junior is about sixty pounds lighter than his dad

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<v Speaker 1>at two ninety nine, he'll fit in perfectly in the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals defensive tackle rotation. For my fourth and final pick

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<v Speaker 1>in the first three rounds, I was almost able to

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<v Speaker 1>take cornerback Bernardo Green again, but he went ninety sixth overall,

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<v Speaker 1>one pick before the Bengals were on the clock. Fortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite players in the draft was still available.

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<v Speaker 1>Another member of Michigan's National championship defense slot corner Mikey Sainrastill.

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Rastill is Mike Hilton two point zero. He's undersized

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<v Speaker 1>at five to nine and roughly one hundred eighty pounds,

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<v Speaker 1>but every time I watched a Michigan game last year,

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<v Speaker 1>he was around the ball making big plays. After playing

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<v Speaker 1>wide receiver for his first three seasons, Saintristill moved a

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<v Speaker 1>defense two years ago and last year had six interceptions,

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<v Speaker 1>two forced bumbles, and three interception returns of more than

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<v Speaker 1>seventy yards. He's a two time team captain with experience

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<v Speaker 1>at inside and outside corner and also on special teams.

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<v Speaker 1>He's number forty three overall on the Brugler Big Board,

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<v Speaker 1>so landing him with a ninety seventh pick would represent

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<v Speaker 1>exceptional value. Unlike the PFF simulator, the Pro Football Network

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<v Speaker 1>version doesn't give you a grade, But if the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>get Latham, Corley, Jenkins and saint Ristill, I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>it would be anything other than an A plus. That's

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<v Speaker 1>going to do it for this episode of the Bengals

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