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Speaker 1: La Santa. She looks good, like my mother always told me.

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Speaker 2: Lace Senora, Senora, Senora, Senora, Senora, Senor, Hi Senora, Welcome

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Speaker 2: to Senora.

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Speaker 3: Sex Ed.

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Speaker 1: Senora sex Ed is not your mommy's sex talk. This

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Speaker 1: show is la platicad like you've never heard it before,

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Speaker 1: breaking the stigma and silence around sex and sexuality in

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Speaker 1: LATINX communities. Latinas have been hyper sexualized in popular culture,

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Speaker 1: but notoriously denied sex education. This podcast is an intergenerational

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Speaker 1: conversation between Latinas from gen X to Gen Z, covering

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Speaker 1: everything from puberty and body image to representation in film, television,

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Speaker 4: By the way, before we go any further, we wanted

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Speaker 4: to find how we're using the word senora on this show.

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Speaker 4: We know that so many of you are in your

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Speaker 4: so called senora era, but in this show, a Senora

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Speaker 4: is a woman with a lot of life experiences and

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Speaker 4: stories to share. Maybe she's in her thirties, maybe she's

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Speaker 1: Chapter one, mothering on screen with Anna Ortiz.

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Speaker 3: It was good, like I think I was healthy experiences

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Speaker 3: like it was with a boy that I love, that

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Speaker 3: I thought loved me, That you did love me. I

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Speaker 1: That was Anna Ortiz, actress, mother and wife. We'll be

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Speaker 1: learning about her journey with sex education, which is even

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Speaker 1: continuing now into her fifties, and what it's been like

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Speaker 1: playing some iconic Latina roles on your favorite TV shows.

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Speaker 4: We are your hosts and producers, Viosa and Mala.

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Speaker 1: You might recognize us from our flagship podcast, look at

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Speaker 1: Ora Radio. Since twenty sixteen, we've covered all kinds of topics,

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Speaker 1: ranging from politics, to mental health, current events, and of

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Speaker 1: course sex. We still have so much to learn from

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Speaker 1: hope you listen to each episode with the Senoras and

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Speaker 4: Before Anna Orthis joins us, we thought it'd be fitting

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Speaker 1: My first memory of seeing Latina representation on film or television,

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Speaker 1: Anna describes an openness about her relationship with her mother.

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Speaker 1: Anna could ask her anything, but she didn't necessarily sit

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Speaker 3: I felt in control of my own physical body and

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Speaker 4: Famously, Anna Ortiz was in the two thousand and six

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Speaker 3: you know, you have to understand, I think from me

432
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Speaker 3: coming from my point of view, was a brilliant telenovela. Right. Also,

433
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Speaker 3: my grandmother cleaned houses, you know what I mean, Judy

434
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Speaker 3: Ray's mother clean houses.

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Speaker 1: Like.

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Speaker 3: The thing is that we didn't look at it as

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Speaker 3: like a shameful thing. We actually said, like, this is

438
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Speaker 3: our opportunity to show this side of life, because more

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Speaker 3: often than not, we're always you know, if we are

440
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Speaker 3: the maid, it's because we're coming in saying something super

441
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Speaker 3: funny and leaving as opposed to really exploring the lives

442
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Speaker 3: of these women and exploring the lives of them and

443
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Speaker 3: what their daily is, what their family life is, what

444
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Speaker 3: their sex life is, what their you know, kids are doing,

445
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Speaker 3: how their kids are affected by what they do. Right,

446
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Speaker 3: So we actually had an opportunity to just shine a

447
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Speaker 3: light on the life of these women, but do it

448
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Speaker 3: in a really I mean it was really soapy and fun.

449
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Speaker 3: Eva's not only is Eva producing and executive producing it.

450
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Speaker 3: She directed so many of the episodes. She was on

451
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Speaker 3: set all the time. If we had a problem, we

452
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Speaker 3: could call her. You know, we had Latin writers in

453
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Speaker 3: the room and we had so it was representation on

454
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Speaker 3: every level for us on that show, and we had

455
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Speaker 3: to say so. I think it was one of the

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Speaker 3: first times I actually felt like I could object to

457
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Speaker 3: something that I felt was wrong or you know what

458
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, or make fun of it, or

459
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Speaker 3: say to the to the show runners like you guys,

460
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: like maybe you know, that's not something we would say,

461
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 3: that's not something we would do. So it really was

462
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: kind of like having our cake and eating it too,

463
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 3: because we got to be sexy and funny and wicked

464
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 3: and you know, bananas and soapy and dramatic and funny,

465
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 3: and I got to work with like the best in

466
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Speaker 3: the game. I'm sorry, but like Roslin Sanchez, Daniel Ramirez,

467
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Speaker 3: Judy Ray has come on.

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Speaker 1: We think that these shows that Anna has worked on

469
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Speaker 1: and so many others have contributed to the current landscape

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Speaker 1: in which we live, where kids can more freely be

471
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Speaker 1: themselves and open themselves up to all sorts of topics

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Speaker 1: with an open mind. We asked Anna if she thinks

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Speaker 1: the shows that she acted in did in fact have

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Speaker 1: that type of impact.

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Speaker 3: I hope so, I mean, I hope so I for

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Speaker 3: what ever small part we we whatever, you know, even

477
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: if it was just one or two steps forward, those

478
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 3: are one or two steps that we needed to take.

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00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: You know. Those sometimes those one or two steps are

480
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: the hardest. So, you know, being at the front of

481
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: the that that move that that whole movement, well it's

482
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Speaker 3: pretty it's pretty pretty awesome, and I really feel really lucky.

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Speaker 1: In her real life off screen, Anna is a mother.

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Speaker 1: She's also played mothers on television. A career actress who

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Speaker 1: has continued working alongside the best of the industry. She's

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Speaker 1: keeping up with changes and entertainment and changes to her body.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I think I'm fully like in perimenopause, right, so,

488
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: like I'm really experiencing so much craziness going on with

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Speaker 3: my physical self that I'm just trying to understand. And

490
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Speaker 3: it's really you know, what I'm most disappointed and is

491
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Speaker 3: the lack of information there is for women my age

492
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Speaker 3: and going through this. And there are there are outlets

493
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Speaker 3: for it, but it's like there's so much resistance even

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Speaker 3: with my own gynecologists when I and it was a woman,

495
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: and I asked her like I think i'm I'm like,

496
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Speaker 3: I'm definitely in perimenopause and I think I need like

497
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 3: hormones or like what's the treatment or where do we

498
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: go from here? And she was like, are you still

499
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 3: getting your period? And I was like, well, yeah, yeah,

500
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 3: but not like it's not regular and you know when

501
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: I do get my period, it's fucking chaos. Sorry, is

502
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: this too much information?

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Speaker 4: Actually, this is the type of information we want, anna,

504
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Speaker 4: because according to a study conducted by SWAN, which stands

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Speaker 4: for Study of Women's Health across the Nation, women of

506
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Speaker 4: color tend to start in pre menopause earlier and have

507
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Speaker 4: more severe hot flashes than white women. In their research,

508
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Speaker 4: they found Black and Latina women experience perimenopause symptoms about

509
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Speaker 4: two to four years longer than white women.

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Speaker 1: So to answer these questions, we are going to pick

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Speaker 1: up a house call from resident obg y n doctor Rodan, MD.

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Speaker 3: Oh La signoras.

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Speaker 6: I'm La Lilia Rodan, MD, calling in to talk about perimenopause.

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Speaker 6: Oh La peri Mino Bausia. I'm a resident physician specializing

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Speaker 6: in obstetrics. And kynecology. But before we continue our call,

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Speaker 6: this informational segment should not be interpreted as official medical advice,

517
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 6: and if you have any concerns, always consult with your

518
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Speaker 6: medical provider. Now moving on to la peri mino bausia.

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Speaker 6: Perimenopause is that time in your life when menopause is

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00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 6: almost creeping up on you but not quite yet. We

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00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 6: have something in our bodies called a hormone axiss and

522
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Speaker 6: that goes from your brain all the way down to

523
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Speaker 6: your ovaries. It kind of starts messing up at two

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Speaker 6: important parts of our lives. At the beginning, when we're young,

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Speaker 6: we're teens, we're just getting our periods. It's what we

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Speaker 6: call immature and so that's the time in our lives

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Speaker 6: when there's a lot of regular, abnormal bleeding. Now, the

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Speaker 6: other time in our lives when we start to have

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Speaker 6: this irregular abnormal bleeding is when that kind of access

530
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Speaker 6: starts to fall apart, and that starts in the area

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Speaker 6: called perimenopause before our periods completely stop in menopause. Now,

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Speaker 6: there are a lot of other things that can cause

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Speaker 6: abnormal bleeding. So if you are experiencing that, it's not

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Speaker 6: automatically perimenopause, and this is a great opportunity to talk

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Speaker 6: to your medical provider. Some of the things can cause

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00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 6: abnormal bleeding, like polyps and fibroids, so it's always a

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00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 6: good chance to get that evaluated. Now, some other common

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Speaker 6: symptoms of perimenopause are vaginal dryness awkward to talk about,

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Speaker 6: but important to know, and those very dreaded hot flashes.

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Speaker 6: More common ones you actually read reach menopause, but they

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Speaker 6: may also creep in during the perimenopausal period. Now, one

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Speaker 6: of the really best indicators for when you might enter

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Speaker 6: perimenopause is the age at which your mother and grandmother

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Speaker 6: entered perimenopause. There's a very strong genetic link. So this

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Speaker 6: is a great opportunity to break those taboos and actually

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Speaker 6: talk to your mom, to your grandma. I'm lasting at

547
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Speaker 6: essence would be us, you know, find out when they

548
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 6: went through this change, because that strogenetically may mean that

549
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Speaker 6: it's time for you to go through the change.

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Speaker 3: So if you have any.

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Speaker 6: Questions about that, make sure that you talk to the

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Speaker 6: sing at us in your lives and talk to your

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Speaker 6: medical providers.

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Speaker 3: I was so disappointed and kind of upset, So I'm

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00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 3: like looking into my own I'm asking all my girlfriends, right,

556
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Speaker 3: that's like thank God for them. Like, you know, I'm

557
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: like really able to sort of again your girlfriend's coming

558
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: to the rescue. Who are going through it? And sort

559
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: of you know, trying to figure out is hormone replacement

560
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: right for me? Is topical estrogen right for me? You know,

561
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: like what it is? What it is that all of

562
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Speaker 3: that I'm going through. But I will also say on

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Speaker 3: top of that, I am feeling really empowered and I

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Speaker 3: feel really good about myself that I'm taking charge of

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Speaker 3: my my health.

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Speaker 1: Having the information about our own bodies can be empowering.

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Speaker 1: Talking about our health and our sex lives may have

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Speaker 1: been something teenage Anna would have been brutish about, but

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Speaker 1: now she embraces these conversations.

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Speaker 3: I'm still madly crazy about my husband and we still

571
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: have a really good sex life. Sorry, I don't want

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Speaker 3: to mortify my poor husband, like Jesus, Rist, what are

573
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: you doing? Or my kids, God forbid all Lord, they

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00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: would be mortified. But it's true. Sorry, it's true. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm fifty three and we're still like crazy about each other.

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Speaker 3: But being older and going through this sort of like

577
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Speaker 3: the menopause of it all. I really, there's so much

578
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: that goes into it. But like I said, I being

579
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Speaker 3: trying to be as proactive as I can because I

580
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: still feel super sexual. I'm working out a lot, I

581
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: feel hot, like and you know, so I just want

582
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Speaker 3: to make sure that I take care of all of

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Speaker 3: it so that I can keep the goal.

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Speaker 4: Getting older doesn't mean we're no longer sexual beings. In fact,

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Speaker 4: a John Hopkins study shows half of women in their

586
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 4: fifties reported continued sexual activity.

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Speaker 1: And Anna is committed to talking to both of her

588
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Speaker 1: children about periods, sex, and sexuality. It is her goal

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Speaker 1: to remove the stigma around these topics, especially for the

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Speaker 1: next generation.

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Speaker 3: Totally mortify my kids all the time because I also

592
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 3: want to make sure my son doesn't get like squeamish

593
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 3: and stupid about periods and stuff like that. I want

594
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 3: to make sure he knows like girls have their period

595
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 3: like her sister has her periods, so like whatever, and

596
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 3: also to my daughter, like you know, I just like

597
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: I want to take all the stigma away from it

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00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 3: for them, and by the way, they kind of do

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00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 3: it on their own this generation, my kids are fourteen

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00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 3: and twelve. It gives me hope.

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Speaker 4: Anna tells us she feels good, she feels hot, and

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Speaker 4: of course we agree. But how does Hollywood treat women

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00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 4: actresses as they get older.

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Speaker 3: I think it's moving forward a little bit, but again

605
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 3: it's so sluggish that it's it's not great. Fortunately, I

606
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 3: think we are the audience now that that has more

607
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 3: money and like my age and right, like I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think the gen X women right now are like

609
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: spending more money on like entertainment, and we want to

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Speaker 3: see ourselves represented more. I think there is definitely much

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00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 3: more than there was. I think, you know, you look

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Speaker 3: at women. Yes, I think we're getting better. I don't

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00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: think we're quite there yet. And you know, like, for instance,

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Speaker 3: when you asked me earlier about like sex scenes and

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Speaker 3: stuff like that, like I didn't have to worry about

616
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 3: it much younger, and now it's like, well I always

617
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: people ask me that, and I'm like, that ship has sailed,

618
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 3: nobody wants to see me in a sex scene. But

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Speaker 3: it's like, uh, you know, who knows. I just watched Hacks,

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Speaker 3: right because Mark Elecado's on Hacks and Jean Smart just

621
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Speaker 3: had like a crazy sex scene with Tony Goldwyn. So

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Speaker 3: I don't know, girl, maybe is that we'll see.

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Speaker 1: There seems to be a correlation between more open mindedness

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Speaker 1: for characters on screen when it comes to sex and sexuality,

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00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: and greater open mindedness in our own day to day

626
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: lives within families when it comes to talking about things

627
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: like periods and perimenopause and even your mom and dad's

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Speaker 1: sex life.

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Speaker 4: Here on, Senora Sex said, we hope to continue breaking

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Speaker 4: this stigma, which is why we were so happy when

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Speaker 4: Anna Orthis agreed to be on this podcast.

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Speaker 3: I think that's why you guys doing this is so

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00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: cool and so important because I think the more of

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00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: us just talk about it like fucking you know, normal

635
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: and it's just an okay conversation to have, the more

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00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: you know, uh, women of whatever age, are going to

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Speaker 3: be able to read to talk talk about it. Look,

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Speaker 3: I think women like my mom, there's no way right,

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00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 3: She's like shut up, I don't even hear about it.

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00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: But like I think my generation up like gen X,

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00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: you know, going forward, we're we're gonna be talking about

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00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: it all.

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Speaker 1: One of the things we hope to achieve with, Senora

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Speaker 1: Sex said, is having conversations with iconic figures in the

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Speaker 1: Latino arts and entertainment community like Anna Ortiz. Hearing her

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Speaker 1: backstory how she came into these roles and how she

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Speaker 4: Next time on Senora Sex Said, we'll hear from Ira Rodriguez.

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Speaker 1: My daughter is my mother's favorite person because my daughter

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Speaker 4: Executive producers are Mala Munios and Theosa Fem.

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Speaker 1: Senora Sex is also executive produced by Giselle Bances.

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Speaker 1: Creative director, Mala Munios.

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Speaker 1: Audio editor Stephanie Franco.

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