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Speaker 1: the Lakers post game so on dash Radio after probably

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Speaker 1: this has got to be in the top two or

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Speaker 1: three worst losses of the Lebrono di era. What do

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Speaker 1: you think? Yeah, I would, I would say so. Uh

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Speaker 1: in our like season preview when we went through all

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma City isn't fielding a real basketball team, and I

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Speaker 1: still and I still kind of feel that way even

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Speaker 1: with how the game went. But yeah, this is definitely

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Speaker 1: up there in the worst losses that we've had in

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Speaker 1: the Lebron and A d era, and Lebron didn't play tonight,

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Speaker 1: which shouldn't really matter. When you're up thirty, you should

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Speaker 1: be able to keep lead you I feel like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: to try really hard to blow a thirty point lead

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Speaker 1: to a team like this who is deliberately losing thought,

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Speaker 1: they're trying to process I'll let you, I'll let you go.

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Speaker 1: So there trying to process what just happened. So the

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Speaker 1: way that I look at it is this loss doesn't

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Speaker 1: say anything about the larger vision of what this Laker

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Speaker 1: in terms of the talent level. But what it does,

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Speaker 1: due to me is it reveals a certain missing you

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Speaker 1: know metal, you know what I mean? Like that just

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Speaker 1: that what one of the things that you noticed about

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Speaker 1: they just brought it in a certain way every night

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Speaker 1: that this team has not. And it extended into that season,

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Speaker 1: as evidenced by their defense and how well they defended

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Speaker 1: despite losing Lebron and Navy for massive to the season.

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Speaker 1: But you're primarily looking at a game like tonight as

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Speaker 1: just like the kind of game that championship teams find

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Speaker 1: a way to win. That doesn't mean that they can't,

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Speaker 1: you know, overcome this over the course of the season

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Speaker 1: and find that championship medal. However, if you look at

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Speaker 1: this as a little bit of a checkpoint, it's not

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Speaker 1: a good start because of course there was limitations. You've

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Speaker 1: you got to work with because of injuries, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of your best defensive players are all wearing suits.

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Speaker 1: But you're you have a you have way more talent

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Speaker 1: than you need to win this game. And uh, and

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Speaker 1: to put it lightly they completely let their foot off

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Speaker 1: the gas after getting that point lead, and then we're

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Speaker 1: never able to regain control, and it's it's embarrassing, and

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Speaker 1: it's to me, just a an example of the kind

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Speaker 1: of you know, mental hurdle that this team is gonna

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Speaker 1: have to get over at some Yeah. I mean, like

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Speaker 1: before we do these I always try to take notes,

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Speaker 1: and in that first half, you know, it was pretty

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Speaker 1: notes about like, yeah, Russ is starting to kind of

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff and finding some chemistry with a D.

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Speaker 1: And I kind of not to throw that all out,

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Speaker 1: I guess just with how the game went, I thought

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Speaker 1: that second half was awful for us, Like that was

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Speaker 1: the epitome of bad rust and just thinking about it,

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Speaker 1: like the Lakers kind of maybe induced those bad habits

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Speaker 1: He saw the defense absolutely drop off. Oklahoma City got

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Speaker 1: but like Josh Katy was coming off pick and rolls,

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Speaker 1: tough to turn off the fire, right Garius Basley. I

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Speaker 1: think he was shooting like ten or twelve percent from three.

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Speaker 1: He got cooking as well. He made a few shots,

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Speaker 1: so the steamroll kind of came through. But I don't

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Speaker 1: like when you blow a thirty point lead to a team,

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Speaker 1: um like that can stick with you now. So I'm

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Speaker 1: really interested in how they come out Friday and look

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Speaker 1: like this maybe nothing in the grand scheme of things.

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Speaker 1: I still think though, like this can't happen. I guess

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Speaker 1: And I was just looking at the shock quality that

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Speaker 1: least somewhat of a crap, right, Like Shay is that

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Speaker 1: level of talent. Like Oklahoma City is a bad team.

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Speaker 1: They have a lot of really young players. I said,

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Speaker 1: Shape is the real dude though. He's the real deal,

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Speaker 1: We can get into that as well. Um, they really

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Speaker 1: It's just this is just a really awful game, and

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Speaker 1: the world. It just feels like that win in San

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Speaker 1: San Antonio should have been something to build off of,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because at the end of that game,

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Speaker 1: something that's going to come back to haunt this team,

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Speaker 1: in particular on nights like tonight when Lebron can't go um.

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Speaker 1: Russ is a god awful jump shooter, just an awful, awful, awful,

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Speaker 1: in that fourth quarter, ironically, offense became the issue, not

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Speaker 1: That was that, that was what it came down to.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, there's no point

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Speaker 1: So it's it's just one of those things where from

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma City has scored over a hundred points one time

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Speaker 1: This is an effort and focus issue in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: So I'm wondering what your thoughts are. Yeah, Well, before

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Speaker 1: on your point that you said, like you can analyize

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Speaker 1: this team without without Lebron in You're right, this seems

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Speaker 1: not winning a title with Lebron. But Leron is not

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Speaker 1: these and this is a perfect This was a perfect

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Speaker 1: kind of gave his all on that first quarter and

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Speaker 1: said I'm done like that. That's what I'm giving you tonight.

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Speaker 1: That was the first quarter, and then from there it

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Speaker 1: leads to your next question there with your identity thing,

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Speaker 1: I think it is some of both. I think a

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Speaker 1: D has to be the defensive leader of this team,

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Speaker 1: Joe are you there? Yeah, I'm here. Can you hear me? Hey,

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Speaker 1: how's it going? Guys? I caught like the fourth quarter?

433
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Speaker 1: But man um, I just got a question for you all.

434
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Speaker 1: Uh So we're year three or eighty in Lebron. This

435
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 1: should be the shift where eight is actually the one

436
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Speaker 1: who's kind of leading the charge. But unfortunately Fellas, I

437
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 1: just I just this guy. I just I'm fearful for

438
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,120
Speaker 1: the organization once Lebron leaves because this guy has not

439
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Speaker 1: shown any type of He hadn't shown me anything that

440
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Speaker 1: that says that he's gonna be the one that's gonna

441
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Speaker 1: lead this franchise. I just I am just perplexed by

442
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: this guy. I don't wanna, you know, think long term

443
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 1: because I know we're in the season, but man, I

444
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Speaker 1: just I just don't see it. Guys, and it's got

445
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Speaker 1: me turn. You know, It's tough because I don't want to.

446
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to start trying to paint a picture

447
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Speaker 1: about a guy's hole, uh persona and in what he's

448
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: capable of based on one specific circumstance. That said, I mean,

449
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Speaker 1: I'm more worried about Anthony Davis as a future centerpiece

450
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Speaker 1: in the sense that he has shown that he needs

451
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Speaker 1: to be set up like he is not a primary

452
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Speaker 1: initiator in a league where all of the best players

453
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Speaker 1: are primary initiators, and so that becomes a significant shortfall.

454
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Speaker 1: So from that standpoint, inevitably Rob Point and Jeannie Buss

455
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Speaker 1: are going to keep him surrounded by really cerebral basketball

456
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 1: players who can get him set up for success, and

457
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 1: inevitably the team is going to take on a certain

458
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Speaker 1: amount of the persona of that person whoever that primary

459
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Speaker 1: initiator is. However, the one thing that I would be

460
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Speaker 1: concerned with a d is like, this is a guy

461
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Speaker 1: that Laker fans have consistently preached is the best defensive

462
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Speaker 1: player in the league. Right, Raji and I both believe that.

463
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Speaker 1: We think we think Anthony Davis is the best defender

464
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Speaker 1: in the league. We think he's capable of winning multiple

465
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Speaker 1: Defensive Players of the Year. But his peers, the Mbiads

466
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Speaker 1: of the world, the honest Is of the world, the

467
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Speaker 1: Ben Simmons of the world. They every single night go

468
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Speaker 1: out there and put their physical imprint on the game

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Speaker 1: as a defender. And Anthony Davis does it when he

470
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Speaker 1: feels like it. And so from that standpoint, like, I'm

471
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Speaker 1: not worried about any of the uh like anything outside

472
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Speaker 1: of that, the Lakers will be fine as soon as

473
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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis identifies and understands his responsibility as the defensive

474
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Speaker 1: lynchpin of this team. And and once he gets that

475
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Speaker 1: year in and year out, then I mean, he's twenty

476
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Speaker 1: eight years old, and this guy's a limit. You can

477
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Speaker 1: have seven straight years of this team being right in

478
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Speaker 1: the thicker things, but he just needs to understand the

479
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: power and the response ability that comes with being who

480
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: he is and and what he's capable of when he

481
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Speaker 1: actually tries to put his physical imprints on the game.

482
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Speaker 1: And I've heard this question a lot, and I really

483
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Speaker 1: don't even want to think about, like life after Lebron already,

484
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 1: like Lebron has shown really no signs of it really

485
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Speaker 1: slowing down at all, like any signs of dropping as

486
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Speaker 1: a player to me, So I don't really want to

487
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Speaker 1: go with that thinking about a D as number one option,

488
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Speaker 1: like he's always gonna need to be set up. He's

489
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Speaker 1: not Nicola Yokits right where you can just give him

490
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Speaker 1: the ball at the top of the key and have

491
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Speaker 1: your offense kind of run through him with players running around,

492
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Speaker 1: Like that's just not the player he is. But you

493
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Speaker 1: can build a team around a D. You you just

494
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Speaker 1: find another shock creator, and you're not gonna find another

495
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Speaker 1: one as good as Lebron. Probably there's only one Lebron ever,

496
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Speaker 1: But you can still build a team around him and

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Speaker 1: his defensive skills. And like in when when the A

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Speaker 1: D came here his first year, he was that defensive

499
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Speaker 1: monster every night though, like this wasn't some every other

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Speaker 1: night kind of thing. And maybe that's just the way

501
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Speaker 1: this season has started, or how the defenders are this year.

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Speaker 1: But the whole point again of bringing Russ, if you

503
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Speaker 1: remember one of our talking points of positives upbringing Russell

504
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: Westbrook guy of his type of tenacity every night was

505
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Speaker 1: to push a D. Right, that was the whole kind

506
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Speaker 1: of point of this, Like was like Russ's every night

507
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Speaker 1: energy is supposed to kind of transfer over to a D.

508
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Speaker 1: And we've seen that in spurts in here and there.

509
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Speaker 1: But that should be sudding that's every night. And maybe

510
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Speaker 1: that's another thing that takes time as well. But yeah,

511
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Speaker 1: like thinking about a D as the best player on

512
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Speaker 1: the team, like that's just not where we are yet,

513
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Speaker 1: Like it's just not Lebron still the best player, which

514
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: is crazy in year nineteen, but is it is what

515
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Speaker 1: it is. I really don't want to think about that

516
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Speaker 1: dropping off. But yeah, but a D has to be

517
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Speaker 1: better for sure, Like he needs to. This needs to

518
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: be an every night defensive thing. This team doesn't have

519
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: enough defensive talent to make up if he's not every nine.

520
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: And you saw what happened tonight. There's teams a million

521
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Speaker 1: times better than Okay, see that will run you out

522
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Speaker 1: of the gym if he doesn't appreciate Yeah, Joe, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much propping appreciate it, and just to piggyback

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Speaker 1: on what Rogers just saying like that that it was

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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis's pier, the one that we all measure him against,

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Speaker 1: your honest right, that's the guy, you know, Lebron, we

527
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Speaker 1: measure against, maybe Janice and Kevin Durant, you know, maybe

528
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: even Staff depending on who you ask, and uh Kauai,

529
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: but you know the guy that everybody measures Anthony Davis

530
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Speaker 1: against his nice And there are two factors with the

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Speaker 1: two of them that are massive differentiators. Janice has put

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Speaker 1: the time in to become gifted enough with his ball

533
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Speaker 1: handling ability in his floor vision to bring the ball

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Speaker 1: up the floor and to initiate offense. He can run

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Speaker 1: a pick and roll. As the ball handler, he can

536
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Speaker 1: break the guy down consistently ten fifteen times a game

537
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Speaker 1: from the perimeter. Anthony Davis is far more gifted as

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Speaker 1: a ball handler than most centers, but if you watch

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00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: him compared to Janice, he just doesn't have that level

540
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: of comfort to stare a guy in the face, hit

541
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Speaker 1: him with the move ten fifteen times in a game,

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Speaker 1: and and get and and create stuff from the perimeter,

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Speaker 1: and then Secondly, it's that consistent night in the night

544
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Speaker 1: out effort. Honest is just it binds me of young

545
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: Lebron in the in the way that he just every

546
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: single night, regardless of who he's playing, is going to

547
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: make his physicality felt by everybody on the floor and

548
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: leave that imprint. And so what's disappointing is coming off

549
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: of last year where everybody could make the excuses that

550
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis, you know, had a rough, had a rough

551
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: quick turnaround from the bubble, and he needed to kind

552
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: of ease his way into the season. Well that's not

553
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: the case this year. Get plenty of time off, you're healthy,

554
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: you're you're the guy everybody measures you against. Just drop

555
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: fifty in Game six and now he has the finals

556
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: MPP Trophy, Like, what's your move? Man? Show me what

557
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: you got? Like, I think it's okay to ask him that,

558
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: especially as someone who fancies himself as one of the

559
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: top tier stars in the league. You know, yeah, I

560
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: agree with And for the most far, I think A

561
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: d has been pretty good to start this season. Like

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Speaker 1: I think tonight was a slow one, but like for

563
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: the most right thought he's he's played well. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it has to be every night because his team just can't.

565
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,239
Speaker 1: I can't survive without him. And when he came out

566
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: of the game tonight, like I guess my, well, I'll

567
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: let Dom kind of speak. What's up, Don? But like

568
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: we've seen, we've seen like a D play the five

569
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: a lot tonight, but it's all next to Carmelo, which

570
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: is just a really strange lineup thing that I guess

571
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: we can get into a little later. But Don, what's up?

572
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: Man's up? Broach what's going on? Don't? Man? I don't.

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00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, Man, I feel I think this was

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00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: the first game where I felt really frustrated. But like

575
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: trying to put it into perspective, all right, second night

576
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: of back to back we had like what nine available players?

577
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: Three centers sick, so we had ten. Not bad. I

578
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: think it was frustrating because you could just explicitly like

579
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: towards the last three minutes of the second quarter, they

580
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: just like took you know, they just lost focused. They

581
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: just stopped playing, and it's it seemed like they were

582
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: kind of like expecting, like, you know, what this is done,

583
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: Like we were up seventy forty four. They would they're

584
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: young things, they would just like kind of like go

585
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: through the motions as you know, like like us, and

586
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: like part of me is like, you know, this is

587
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: kind of like a deserving loss with them, kind of

588
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: like it's like a humbling loss, you know what I'm saying.

589
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: But like, I think part of my frustration is like

590
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: I did not expect a team full of veterans, full

591
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 1: of future Hall of famers that needs to be by

592
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: the basketball gods, you know. And I think Jason made

593
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: a really good point about a d was like, all right,

594
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: you were affected by the fact that people were, like

595
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: you see all the slander, you know, through the going

596
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: on this summer. You see people putting the honest above

597
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: you even though you just literally want a championship and argue,

598
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: but we could have been the finals M v P.

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00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: And you know, even though he looked good physically, you know,

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00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: I mean, given to night, maybe he was tired, I

601
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: mean understandably so second night of the back to back,

602
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: coming off an overtime game against the Spurs where he

603
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: played forty minutes. But I don't know how I tweeted this.

604
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: I was like, the defense smiles every time he takes

605
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: like a low percentage jump shot, and I don't know,

606
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: because I just didn't get like why he just went

607
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: away from attacking the rim where he had so much

608
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Speaker 1: success the entire first half. And the thing is, he

609
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: wasn't even doing so much the entire first half. When

610
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: he was attacking the rim. He would literally just you know,

611
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: step through, spin, moved, dribble a couple of times, hook shot.

612
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: He was making all of them, catching lobs, catching easy

613
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: dump offs. So I was like, like, what happened? You know,

614
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I think long term it should

615
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: kind of like I guess, humbled him or sharpened them

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Speaker 1: a little bit. But yeah, that's just where my head

617
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: is at right now. I agree with everything you're saying.

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00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you need to have something that um that

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00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a wake up call that that

620
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: that establishes the need to fix your problems. Right, Like

621
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, there's if you play six or seven good

622
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: teams in a row, you're just gonna lose a lot

623
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: if you have bad habits, and so inherently you're going

624
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: to find a way to get something going to help

625
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: you win games. Well with uh, with a game like tonight,

626
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: if anything, if there's one silver lining, it's so bad

627
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: that it's kind of like a slap in the face

628
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: and something that you can't look yourself in the mirror

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Speaker 1: and pretend like there's not a problem anymore. And so

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping that that's kind of turns into a galvanizing

631
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: it turns into a galvanizing force for this team too.

632
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: It's like because like some of those games, like the

633
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: Warriors and Suns, like those are games that you can

634
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: learn from, you know, because like obviously Warriors and Sons

635
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: to have been connality. They've been running their system for

636
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: god that was how many years now, But this is

637
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: like a game where you're just like you just throw

638
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,239
Speaker 1: away because like you you basically just lost it. And

639
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: I feel like rather than like watching film and I

640
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: think it's like what you said, it's more like a

641
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: self reflection, all right, like for all of them, even

642
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: even the coaches, because I really like what Jason tweeted,

643
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: like I think we were we we we were down

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00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: one and then um Okaye had the ball and we

645
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: were looking for things like one minute left or less

646
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: than a minute left, and we were looking for a

647
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: stop and then they took a time out, and I

648
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: was really surprised that Mellow as poor as he was

649
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: shooting the entire game, and he was being hunted. And

650
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: then somebody even said that Josh Giddy was giddy every

651
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: time he sees Mellow in front of him. So I

652
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: was surprised Vogel he had Bradley Reeves and even Dwight.

653
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: I think I thought Dwight or brad or Reeves would

654
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: have been a better choice, but he stuck with Mellow

655
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: on there. But what we're trying to get stopped, and

656
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: so I was just like why, like, you know, there's

657
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: so many I don't know if you know there is,

658
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: there so many mistakes both from the players, and I think, yeah,

659
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: I said it for where it's a lot of Mellow

660
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: and Vogel really doesn't have a choice though we don't

661
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: really have any other power forwards, and again it's like

662
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: it's why you see a D play the five and

663
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: it's really just Mellow at the four next to him,

664
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: even when it's Lebron out there, it's Lebron Mellow and

665
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 1: and a D. So yeah, really really rough. Now, I

666
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: think you said a bunch of correct things on your

667
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: point about eighties, like settling for jump shots. I think

668
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: part of that is also playing like with Bigs, like

669
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: the paint is packed um and it gets he gets

670
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: induced and gets baited into taking jumpers. Russ has a

671
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: very similar issue. I feel like Russ took every single

672
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: bait tonight that the Oklahoma City gave him, every single

673
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: three that that they went under the screen. He decided

674
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: to take it. That won late in the game, that three,

675
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: I don't remember, I fills in the corner or something,

676
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: but they're just flying under his screens. And he took

677
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 1: every bait tonight. Second half I feel like was all

678
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: the total bad rust that you're gonna get right. I

679
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: thought the first quarter he was pretty okay, getting assists

680
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, and the second half you saw

681
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: kind of the totality of what can happen when it

682
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: goes wrong. I meanbe that's just when the team is

683
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: doing all these bad habits. It kind of induces Russ

684
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: into his bad game as well. I'm not sure, but

685
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna learn more as as the season goes. But yeah,

686
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: this was a this was a rough night. Like you know,

687
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: Don Doum, you're calling out that play. It was interesting that, uh,

688
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, when you have a shortage of time outs,

689
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: you can't do offense defense subs because you need to

690
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: make sure that you're properly equipped for the following possession.

691
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: But on that play, with less than a minute left

692
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: down by one, absolutely positively need to stop. Two timeouts remaining.

693
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: I literally can't think of a single reason why Frank

694
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: didn't do an offensive defensive sub. It was confusing to me.

695
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: And I mean part about that too is before that play,

696
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: Okaye was the want to call it time out, so

697
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: which means we still had a time out. You know

698
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We had two time outs. We had

699
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: two time outs out there, and there were fifty seconds left.

700
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: So in theory, you could have you could have gotten

701
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: to stop retained possessions somewhere around thirty thirty five seconds,

702
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: called the time out, made a substitution to get Melo

703
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: back on the floor, and then inevitably you have that

704
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: one last time out remaining should you not be able

705
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: to get a stop and have to intentionally foul so

706
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: that you can use it to advance the ball, you know,

707
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: with ten eight seconds left, whatever it just it was.

708
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: It was really confusing for me, and and you know,

709
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: you can it's really easy with every coach in the

710
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: NBA to nitpick the two or three things every night

711
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: that are confusing. So I'm not you guys know, I'm

712
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: one of the biggest Frank fans out there, but I

713
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: was just confused that that, to me was a golden

714
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: opportunity because that little pick and role play they ran, uh,

715
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: trying to tag Favors on the backside. If that's Dwight

716
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: Howard guarding the action and Anthony Davis tagging the roller,

717
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: it's just not gonna work like you're gonna get a stop.

718
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: So I just I just thought it was that was

719
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: one mistake ache that might have given the Lakers a

720
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: better chance to win the game. But even if even

721
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: if they would have stolen this game, I mean, come on, guys,

722
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: these are all still problems, you know what I mean

723
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: that it would have been fools gold and just you know,

724
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: if they would have managed to pull that game out,

725
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, there was two and a

726
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: half quarters a bad process there to end that one.

727
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: And then just I just want to say, I'm not

728
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: like I don't want to sound like an anti eighty

729
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: or like, you know, like I'm not here. I just

730
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: want to know he's just like a really frustrating. I

731
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: think this this uh tonight, I think eighties playing specifically

732
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: second half. It just made me feel bad for calling

733
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: pals offt like back in Oh wait, that was a

734
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: hot shoot, Like I gotta take that back. No, but

735
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: like I'm pretty sure, like like has like how a

736
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: d I've done before. I'm pretty sure this Friday you're

737
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: gonna you know, he's gonna have a bounce back game.

738
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: And a lot of things are enough, are you Like

739
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: what you said there, Like more of this is self reflection,

740
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: you know, like because I game don't even throw that

741
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: tape for sure, and you know, and Anthony Davis look

742
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: man like, first of all, you gotta understand what our

743
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: job is, right, like, not just as fans, but as

744
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: analysts and people who watch the game, Like, you know,

745
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: we're no one's paying us to post bail for people,

746
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, there's no reason for

747
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: us to not tell it the way we see it.

748
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: At the same time, we have to have a certain

749
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: amount of understanding and and you know, empathy for what

750
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: these guys have to put up with on a day

751
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: and day out basis. But here's the reality of the situation.

752
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis you are considered a top tier superstar by

753
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: the vast majority of people. So there's a certain level

754
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: of you know, standard that comes with that. You know,

755
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: and like if you want to be the guy that

756
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: gets cut a ton of slack every time he goes

757
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: out and has a rough night against a bad team

758
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: and loses, then you can go hang out with the

759
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: dudes that are in the fifteen twenty range in the NBA.

760
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like this is this is

761
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: what comes with being the guy on a team that

762
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: has shaped being ship aspirations. Like if you mail it

763
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: in and against the team that literally hasn't scored over

764
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 1: a hundred points but once all season, and you mail

765
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: it in, like some criticism is gonna come away. That's

766
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: part of being Anthony freaking Davis, the guy that can

767
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: go give forty and twenty anytime he wants. You know

768
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: what I want? You know what I mean, like to me,

769
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: to me, it's fair criticism, pretty sure, And we've seen

770
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: him do it like it was again last year. I

771
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: kind of throw away as this anomally year, but likewy

772
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: it was every night and that's the kind of a

773
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: DA expected this season, and I thought he started the

774
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: season actually pretty well. Tonight was just a really a

775
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: really bad game for pretty much the whole team was

776
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: a well, I don't want to throw it all onto

777
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: a d as well. I thought Russ was just really

778
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: awful in the second half. But it's on him. You're

779
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: right to play defense that way and he can't. He

780
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: should be in the running for Defensive Player of the

781
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: Year every year, and that's that's the talent he has.

782
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: I say, he's the top five player, top five talent

783
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: when he's right, when he's on, and that's that's what

784
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: they need from especially with Lebron out, Like this was

785
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,959
Speaker 1: a game where they needed him to kind of put

786
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: his foot on the gas and he really just didn't.

787
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: It was step back jumper. Someone went in, but you

788
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: just tell it was just there was no aggression there

789
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: and that's it led to this this loss. M thanks

790
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: for coming on. It was good to hear from you.

791
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: Let's see try to go through these a little quicker here.

792
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 1: Carmelo Actually, just while we're waiting for it to connect,

793
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: Carmelo has one for twelve from three the last two games.

794
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: By the way he left that you could have that

795
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: was about two ft short on that game. Like he

796
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: completely alogate Algate armed. That was rough. Yeah, that's Carmelo.

797
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: You have him out there, He's gonna shoot like it's

798
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: going to be himself, unapologizical, unapologetically. Um, what's going on? Man?

799
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: I think? Is it Lebron twenty three? Yeah? What's up?

800
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: What's going on? So? I mean, I just want to

801
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: talk about more about Frank Vogel more than the players themselves,

802
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: because certain decisions he's made this season just don't make

803
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: much sense to me. Um and and it goes with

804
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: like even you know, even though we gave up twenty

805
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: six point lead at the end of the game, we

806
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: had multiple timeouts to draw something up to get a

807
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: better shot, and it ended up being Russ taking a

808
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: long free or um Monk having in isolation at the

809
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: top at the top of the three point line and

810
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: then jacking up for free. These these are not like

811
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: good plays that are drawn up. And then also, defensively,

812
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: I feel like the rosters took a step back. And then,

813
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, I get what you guys are saying about

814
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: a d defensively maybe not being as locked in as

815
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: he was or has been the last couple of years.

816
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: But I feel the personnel, and this roster to suit

817
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: what Frank lies to do defensively because prem to all

818
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: the guards are getting crushed on screens and all of

819
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're leaving the big weatherest White or a

820
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: D or DJ in a situation where he has to

821
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: guard a guy that's coming up, probably to pull up

822
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: for a jump shop or god the big and we

823
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: saw yesterday the Spurs center went off for like twenty

824
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: four points or twenty seven points, and I think that

825
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: was his career high like stuff like that. I don't

826
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: think it was gonna was happening the last season or

827
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: even in the first season with A D and l A.

828
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: So I just want to know, get you guys foughts

829
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: on Frank Vogel more, because I think he's doing a

830
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: really bad job as a coach so far this year.

831
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: And obviously it's just five games, but I think he

832
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: really needs to improve what he's doing on both ends,

833
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: because also running lineups with Ross and Rondo in the

834
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: back court is not a good offensive line up in

835
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: So I just want to get you guys fauts or not.

836
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: So I want I want to defend Frank a little

837
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: bit here for a minute, Uh, First of all, it

838
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: has not been perfect. I mentioned I'm mentioned them state

839
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: that he made tonight in my opinion, and then I

840
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: thought some of his lineup decisions, particularly against Golden State,

841
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: we're we're genuinely confusing. But he's kind of in between

842
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: a rock and hard place here. The when you look

843
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: at who's healthy on this roster, it's not really, Uh,

844
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to run traditional basketball lineups,

845
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, the way that especially in the modern NBA,

846
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: the way that they're supposed to be put together. He's

847
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: kind of just sticking stuff together with duct tape, trying

848
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: to survive until th HD and Kenny mcnun and Lebron

849
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: James can come back. So I do want to constance

850
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: slack on that side of things. As far as offense

851
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: goes in terms of like play design, that's never been

852
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: his specific strength relative to his peers. He's never gonna

853
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: be Brad Stevens. That's not who he is. But what

854
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: he is, in my opinion, is by far the best

855
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: defensive coach and basketball he That's what he brings to

856
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: the table, and the way that this whole Laker formula

857
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: is designed to work is like, Hey, like Strength, you're

858
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: running things on the defensive end, and Braun you're running

859
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: things on the offensive. And that's how it works. Now

860
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: when you when we look at actions and and really

861
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: complex you know, UH, play design, that kind of thing

862
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: has a certain amount of value. It does. I don't

863
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: want to undercut that. However, when it comes to the

864
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: postseason at the highest level of basketball, when you're playing

865
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: the very best defenses that are most likely going to

866
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: be switching everything little cute actions here and there and

867
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: baseline out of bound play designs and stuff coming out

868
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: of time out, the value of those kinds of things

869
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: falls off a cliff because of uh, any discipline defense

870
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: at that point in the season is going to take

871
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: away the type of easy shots that those are supposed

872
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: to develop. And that's where a guy like Lebron becomes

873
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: immensely valuable and a guy like Anthony Davis becomes immensely

874
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 1: valuable because it becomes about matchups and it becomes about

875
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: gaining advantages in one on one or two on two

876
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: situations so that you can try to claw out some

877
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: easy shots against a really good defense. And so, from

878
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: that standpoint, if this is not this is not the

879
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: setting where you're gonna see Frank bring his value. Frank's

880
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: value comes from bringing the very best out of this

881
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: roster defensive belie when they actually have their pieces, and

882
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: carrying them to the point where Lebron can out execute

883
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: teams in the half court in the playoffs, when the

884
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: trophies on the line. And so in that standpoint, like,

885
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's fair to measure Frank uh

886
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, for not for what he's not brought here for,

887
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. And Frank Frank has always had

888
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: like really confusing lineups. So if we remember that first

889
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: year he played uh Rondo with Lebron a bunch and

890
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: it kind of made our head scratch. And I said,

891
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: over the summer, we were definitely gonna get Rondo Westbroog lineups.

892
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: And maybe that's just a situation that had to come

893
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: from injuries, but it's what we're getting right now. And

894
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna switch up his defense like

895
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna play this style. He's playing the

896
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: two bigs, And again, maybe that's the right decision, maybe

897
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: it's not, but he's gonna be himself. You want a

898
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 1: title kind of doing that and Yeah, these guards aren't

899
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 1: great for his system for sure, but he's gonna stick

900
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: with it. This is the system, the defensive system that

901
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: he wants to run. He's gonna have his players adjust

902
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: to that, not adjust, I guess to the personnel. And

903
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: I think if you wait for the guys to get

904
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: healthy t t um a reason, even like Kendrick Nunne,

905
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: those guys kind of fit better. But again, right now,

906
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: those like our guards, like you said, are dying on

907
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: these screens, and these guards are these offensive guards are

908
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: getting whatever they want. But I just can't blame Frank

909
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: Frank Vogel for a team losing a three d point

910
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: lead like that's to me, that's on your superstars, Like

911
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: that's on like the guys on the floor um killing

912
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: the momentum of the other team. Like I just can't

913
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: go and blame like Frank Vogel for that. I guess

914
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,479
Speaker 1: he had questionable lineups. I agree with you that last

915
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: play where we needed the three and we just literally

916
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: gave it to Mike Monk at the top of the

917
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: key and said do something like I was shocked that

918
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: was the play we ran. But but I like, to me,

919
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: I I can't put too much of this on Vogel,

920
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: I agree with like what a lot of what you

921
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: guys are saying, But I think this year is it's

922
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: a bit different than the last two years because the

923
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: roster is so different because before we had you know,

924
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: Danny Green, KCP Crusoe. Then it's shrewd. These guys are

925
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: defensive guards that are going to stay in front of

926
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: them and every time. And obviously we don't have all

927
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: our guys back, and there's only five games into the season,

928
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 1: so you can't really make too many conclusions at this point.

929
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I'm just a bit worried that

930
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: he's kind of not really the coach for this specific roster.

931
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: And that's not to say that he won't be successful

932
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: or anything, but I just think, like, you know, we

933
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: we brought in a lot more offense and lost a

934
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: lot of defense, especially on the perimeter um compared to

935
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: last season and even comparing the roster to the first

936
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: season of Vogel in l A. So I don't know,

937
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm just a bit worried that he's not really the

938
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 1: coach for this team specifically. But it's just five games

939
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: and obviously we're gonna get some guys back. Um, so

940
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: hopefully I'll just be like ironed out for our the season.

941
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: But I'm also is a bit worried about the fit

942
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: of Ross as well, because especially today, some of the

943
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: turnouvers and some of the salt that you were taking,

944
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: these are things that I didn't think he you know,

945
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: what happened playing alongside two stars. But I guess we'll

946
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: have to see how that goes as well from season

947
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: when we end up in a big playoff series and

948
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: it's Lebron at the top of the keep breaking down

949
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: the defense, and you've got advanced close out attackers like

950
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: Malik Monk, like Kendrick Nunn like you know, uh th

951
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: ht making plays off of the advantages that they're creating

952
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: through getting double teams and getting a head of scene

953
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: towards the rim. This is all going to make a

954
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: lot more sense right now. I get why you can

955
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: get discouraging. All I'm saying is like this, this roster

956
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: and this coaching staff, this is all built in a

957
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: way that is more advantageous in the playoffs. And so

958
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: I do I do wanna. I'm not discounting everything that

959
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: you're saying, to be clear, I'm just saying that I disagree,

960
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: but we got we got five more minutes, so we're

961
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: gonna get two more quick ones and they call it

962
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: a night. Thanks for hopping on, man, We appreciate it.

963
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Thank you. Uh Yellow, are you there? Yep? Yep? Yeah,

964
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: what's going on? I'm good, I'm good. Look. I was

965
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: kind of flipping back and forth between the Hawks game,

966
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: um and the Lakers game, and I will have to

967
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: say this man, and kind of responded to what he

968
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: was saying about Frank Vogel. Look, I feel like the offense.

969
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: His offensive schemes are really not good. In my opinion,

970
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: way too many times I see a Lakers game and

971
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: it's literally just throw the ball into the post to

972
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: a d and have him do a fade away shot,

973
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: or throw it into the post to Lebron and he

974
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: does a fade away shot when everybody else is just

975
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: kind of standing there and looking, and then you know

976
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: when the shooters end up going cold and they're not.

977
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: But we lost your first s. Yeah are you there?

978
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: But Diallo, we did kind of discussed this earlier in

979
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: the pod. This uh, this whole show will be on

980
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: our podcast feed shortly after. But yeah, we talked. We

981
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: just talked a little bit ago about you know, Frank

982
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: and what his offensive strengths are and what his defensive

983
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: strengths are. And he's just not gonna be Brad Stevens.

984
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: It's just not. It's not you know what he does

985
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: for this specific group, but he is. He does bring

986
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: strengths and I actually think it's a good fit. And

987
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: I think I think Raj agrees. But let's get let's

988
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: get one more caller and calling a night. YEP, I agree.

989
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: Frank Vocal was never gonna be this super crazy offensive,

990
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: uh minded coach. He's gonna rely on his defense. And

991
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: that's that's one in the titles. That's what he's gonna stay.

992
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: All right, let's see Hayden, are you there? Yeah? Hello,

993
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: what's gonna what's up in? Uh? You know I'm doing alright,

994
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. That was That was a miserable

995
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: second quarter. Well s third quarter on really the second

996
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: quarter was all right, But I don't know, Um, I

997
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: kind of like y'all said, at some point, you gotta

998
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: put the blame on a D. Kind of like Raw said,

999
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: you gotta put the blame on a D. And Russ

1000
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: as superstars. When you're up thirty, team is starting to

1001
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: claw back into the game, especially one that's not that great.

1002
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta, you gotta put the game away.

1003
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: And I just defensively, Russ is never going to be

1004
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: lockdown obviously. Um, he'll get those random steals where he

1005
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: jumps a pass lane and gets a dunk, but that

1006
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: falls on a d is being more consistent full time

1007
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: on that end. Um. I don't know if it's because

1008
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: he's saving himself for offense while Lebron is out, but

1009
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: at a certain point, I just felt like he needed

1010
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: to take over, and like you guys said, he kind

1011
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: of settled for jump shots and didn't really attack, you know,

1012
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: Darius Baisley and all these guys that he should have

1013
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: a pretty easy field day getting to the rim, being aggressive,

1014
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: and I felt like he didn't really do that. So

1015
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: I guess just kind of bouncing off of what they

1016
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier. Yeah, I agree, we agree, man,

1017
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: we're on the we're on the same page. I mean,

1018
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: one of the beautiful things about the Lebron a d

1019
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: fit is the fact that Lebron kind of makes up

1020
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: for some of Anthony Davis's shortcomings. You know, they compliment

1021
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: each other, right, and and obviously Lebron, Lebron is complimented

1022
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: very well by Anthony Davis, him being a stretched the floor,

1023
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 1: him being a guy that can hold down a lot

1024
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: of the defensive responsibilities. Like they're the two of them

1025
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: fit extremely well. And one of the things that I

1026
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: noticed a lot in the championship season, if you guys remember,

1027
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 1: especially in the playoff run, you'd have these games where

1028
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis would mail in the first half in the

1029
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: playoff game. You know, you'd be you'd look up and

1030
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: if you'd middle of the second quarter and uh, you know,

1031
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: and Anthony Davis would have like, you know, six points

1032
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: and four rebounds and and two turnovers, and you're like,

1033
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: what in the world's going on? And and all he's

1034
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: doing is taking jumpshots when he gets the ball. But

1035
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: what would happen is he became the guy who would

1036
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: always bounce back and have a monstrous second half because

1037
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: in those first halfs when things were sloppy, Lebron seemed

1038
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: to read the tea leaves and put his foot on

1039
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: the gas and carry the team. And and so the

1040
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: two of that, you know, it almost became like one

1041
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: of those things where Anthony Davis would snap out of

1042
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: his funk because he knew his partner in crime was

1043
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: laying it on the line to win the game. And

1044
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: and then there were games where Lebron would go cold

1045
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: in the second half and Anthony Davis would finally snap

1046
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: in and make some big plays. And so they compliment

1047
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: each other well. But I think I think that in

1048
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: the setting like this, when Lebron's out there with him,

1049
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: it's just tough for Anthony Davis to to get the

1050
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 1: motor to try to to win the game consistently compared

1051
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: to some of his peers. His motor, his motor is

1052
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: not going to turn on by itself. Like him, he's

1053
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: not going to turn on his motor if he's the

1054
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: only one that has. Do you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, absolutely,

1055
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: he's not a self starter. He's not a self starter?

1056
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: Is the expression? Yeah, Yeah, there you go. Who do

1057
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: you think? Yeah, for sure? I mean, like I thought tonight,

1058
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: Like I thought in the first quarter, he had like

1059
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: what I think twelve points um, but then in the

1060
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: first quarter or something, yeah, and he was getting to

1061
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: the basket, but then the Lakers went up like twenty.

1062
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: You could see him kind of just put the foot

1063
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: off the gas right and try to go in and

1064
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: lift this little chill mode and load manager in the game.

1065
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: And he saw on that third him trying to re

1066
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: reread that engine up, like re try to get at it.

1067
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Speaker 1: It just wasn't there. And maybe it was because of

1068
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: the second night to back to back, whatever it is,

1069
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: but he tried to and it just wasn't wasn't there

1070
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: for him, and Russ try to do his own his

1071
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: own thing, and that kind of led to the erratic

1072
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: plate him and all the turnovers and the bad shots

1073
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: and the jump shots that you know he shouldn't be taking,

1074
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: or just like a when it rains, it pours kind

1075
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: of thing. And then the thunder started to get hot, right,

1076
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: they started to make everything. I think they went like

1077
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: seven for ten or something from three in that quarter.

1078
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: So just the avalanche that they kind of hid. But yeah,

1079
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: you're right, you kind of have to stop that bleeding

1080
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: before like the blood just goes everywhere, right, like you

1081
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: kind of have to cut that off, and and they

1082
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: just didn't tonight. But um, they have another chance on Friday,

1083
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: and and well we'll see if they get a win.

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00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: Heyden we're gonna call it a night, but thank you

1085
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: so much for hopping on there. We're gon We're gonna

1086
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: go again on Friday night. Come come bring your thoughts again. Everybody.

1087
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: Thanks you guys so much for your support. This will

1088
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: be on our podcast feed here in about a half hour.

1089
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: It will also air on Dash Radio tomorrow morning at

1090
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Speaker 1: seven am, and the game on Friday. I believe it

1091
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: is the seven thirty Starts star playing on right around

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00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: ten o'clock Pacific Standard time for our next show. Roger

1093
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: and I against sincerely appreciate you guys for being on

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00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: this journey with us and we'll see you then. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: him and thank you. Yeah,