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Speaker 3: Welcome to Episode five point forty three The Bozz. Brian Bosworth.

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Speaker 3: A couple of things before we get started. I want

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Speaker 3: is kind of a sports cultural icon. We've had a

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Speaker 4: He was a linebacker at Oklahoma.

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Speaker 3: He was really the most famous college player that I

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Speaker 4: Then he went to the NFL.

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Speaker 3: He was so famous, people rooted for him, hated them,

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Speaker 3: He then became an actor and Stone Cold was actually

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Speaker 3: He's a two time Buckus Award winner, only person to

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Speaker 3: the Boss. It's really good. And I remembered a stunt

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Speaker 3: He was just making money and he knew people hated

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Speaker 4: And they even.

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Speaker 3: I loved it. Maybe this isn't for everybody, but you

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Speaker 3: can also get a cameo from Brian Bosworth over at Cameo.

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Speaker 3: I have bought a cameo from Brian Bosworth before for

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Speaker 4: It was like a Ted Talk and Brian Bosworth's Ted Talk.

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Speaker 3: So here he is the great Brian Bosworth, the boss. Oh,

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Speaker 3: by the way, I need to mention a few people,

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Speaker 3: Patty is Patty Gasso, the head softball coach at Oklahoma.

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Speaker 3: This was super cool and we did this on like

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Speaker 3: here we go. What do people call you, Brian Boz?

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Speaker 3: What are people that know you but don't know you?

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Speaker 3: Because like, I know you, but I don't know you Bozz.

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Speaker 3: Most people call you bozz pretty much. Yeah, they see

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Speaker 4: I thought it was like a joke, like a prank.

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Speaker 1: Very much so? I mean I go up to most

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Speaker 3: You know who I love is Josie Yeah, who's the

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Speaker 4: Pat He wants to ring my neck sometimes. I love her.

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Speaker 2: She's she's the best thing Oklahoma's got right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: She got a statue and she's alive. She's still coaching

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Speaker 1: He's done so much for the program. He built it back,

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Speaker 4: I went to a game in Norman last year.

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Speaker 2: It's a really special place.

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Speaker 1: And our fans, you know, it's it's it's different because

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Speaker 3: And what's gonna be true is in twenty years those

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Speaker 4: The kids today are going to go.

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Speaker 4: These kids don't even know how good they have it.

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Speaker 2: I know, it's just.

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Speaker 2: Well, they got everything's got to be shining new.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to coach Venables this this summer because

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Speaker 1: me right now. And he goes, I know you want

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Speaker 1: one of these. I know you want one of these,

439
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Speaker 1: and I go, so, let's have the conversation. So he

440
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 1: he talks me into coming up, you know, and visiting.

441
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: And you know, at the end of that weekend visit,

442
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 1: the I guess the tradition as you just go in,

443
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 1: you talk to the coach, and generally I think the

444
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 1: coach either tells you, you know, we like you, would

445
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,679
Speaker 1: like to offer your scholarship, or we like you, but

446
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: we don't like it enough, so we like to offer

447
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 1: you a preferred walk on or thanks but no thanks.

448
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 1: But before we even got into that conversation, I just said, hey, coach, oh,

449
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: why are you recruiting me? You can get any linebacker

450
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 1: you want in the country. And my senior season we

451
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 1: were two and eight, and I thought, why do you

452
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 1: want me to come here so bad? And he just said,

453
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 1: because you don't believe in yourself, do you? And I said,

454
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Speaker 1: I don't really have an answer for you there, No,

455
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 1: I probably don't know.

456
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 2: And he goes, I believe you.

457
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Speaker 1: I believe in you, and I think if you come here,

458
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 1: I will pull out what you don't think is in there,

459
00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: but i'll pull it out of here.

460
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Speaker 2: I'll make it in all American. I'll make you a champion.

461
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: But the thing that really that really grabbed me, put

462
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Speaker 1: a trouble hook in me was uh. He said, I

463
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Speaker 1: just want you to come home. I want you to

464
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Speaker 1: come home because this is where you belong. And that

465
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: was the first time that I felt like coach knew

466
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Speaker 1: who I was and wanted to make me better than

467
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Speaker 1: I imagined myself to be.

468
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Speaker 4: Did he do that?

469
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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

470
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Speaker 3: How quickly until you realized that Coach Switzer was actually

471
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Speaker 3: the guy that said he was going.

472
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Speaker 4: To do what he said he was going to do.

473
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Speaker 1: The reminder came the first year I was there, we

474
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Speaker 1: red shirted, so I had to watch. You know, we

475
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 1: didn't play well. We had we we're kind of off

476
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, hot and cold. We would win games, but

477
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: not Oklahoma style, and we had some great players on

478
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Speaker 1: both offense. Indeed, we had a we had first rounders

479
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Speaker 1: on defense, but we didn't we couldn't get passed. We

480
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 1: lost to Texas, we lost to Missouri, we lost to

481
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: We lost Ohio State at home. We lost to Nebraska

482
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: at home, and we were seven and four and eligible

483
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: four bowl game. For some reason, we had Hawaii on

484
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: our schedule as a regular season game, but it was

485
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 1: the last game of the season. I don't know how

486
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: that happened, but I remember Coach Switcher came into the

487
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: meeting room after the Nebraska loss and he just said,

488
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: we're bowl eligible, but we're not bowling. I want to

489
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: thank all the seniors for what you've done here. Unfortunately,

490
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: we're not playing Oklahoma style football, so I don't want

491
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: to reward the effort that we had this year by

492
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: going to a bowl game. We're going to use the

493
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Speaker 1: Hawaii game as the bowl game, and we're going to

494
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: celebrate that. But we're going to start all over in

495
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: the spring and we're going to revamp this team and

496
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 1: we're going to build this thing back. And while we

497
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 1: were over in Hawaii, I remember being in one of

498
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: those big, you know, big rooms that we you know,

499
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: would eat and it'd be big buffet and stuff. But

500
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: I came in late. It was like a breakfast and

501
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: they had I don't know, big giant tables where everybody

502
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: sits around, and I was basically in there with me

503
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: and a couple other guys just scattered around the big

504
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: room and and I'm and I'm I'm sitting there eating

505
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: and then you hear this unmistakable voice that coach Switzer had,

506
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: and I hear him go, I'm going to need you

507
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: to play like a like a senior next year. I'm

508
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: gonna need you to be my leader. Are really counting

509
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: on you. Just thinking to my I said, what a

510
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: lucky son of a bitch that guy is. And I'm

511
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: looking around and I'm going, there's nobody here. And I

512
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: turned around and looked at him. I said, you're talking

513
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: to me, coach, and he goes, yeah, I'm talking to you.

514
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: I said, but I haven't even played yet. And he goes,

515
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Speaker 1: you don't remember that conversation we had in my office,

516
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: do you? And I said, no, I remember it. I

517
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: just you know, I figured it would happen, you know,

518
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: when I was on the field, not like in a

519
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: cafeteria setting that you're kind of sparking this thing to life.

520
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: And and from that moment on, it's like.

521
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: I knew that that he was he was trying to

522
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Speaker 1: be the coach that that's you know, that started me,

523
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: that sparked you know, was my spark plug. And then

524
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 1: there was another another event that happened in spring ball.

525
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: I got my shoulder dislocated, like day four of spring ball,

526
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Speaker 1: and I think you only get like twenty days of

527
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: spring spring ball. So I'm thinking, you know, man, I'm down,

528
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: I'm out, can't, can't practice. And back in those days,

529
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: practice was like a practice. We were beating the hell

530
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Speaker 1: out of each other. There was there was none of

531
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Speaker 1: this crap that they do. And I was, you know,

532
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: shorts and shoulder page. It was full gear, NonStop, full speed,

533
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: and I separated my shoulder and I figured, man, I'm

534
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: out for a while. And here I am now seeing

535
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: that that linebacker that was in front of me, his

536
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: name was Evan Gate, would never made a mistake. And

537
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: I had a cerebral defensive coordinator and linebacker coaching, Gary Gibson, man.

538
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: The only way to get in his in his in

539
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: his favor was to know exactly what he knows, be

540
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: prepared all the time, and never make a mistake.

541
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Speaker 2: And and a mistake.

542
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: Could be as small as a you know, a misread

543
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: or a misstep. I mean you could you could, you

544
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: could read the play right, you could uh, you could

545
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: get the tackle for a loss, cause a fumble and

546
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: recover it. And because you had a misstep, he'd give

547
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Speaker 1: you a minus. So I'm just seeing Evan and he's

548
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: never made a mistake, and he's pulling away from me,

549
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: and I'm going, ah, I'm gonna end up standing behind

550
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: this guy for the next three years.

551
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: Uh.

552
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Speaker 1: And I remember going into the uh, the training room.

553
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: I said, that's the worst is going to happen. He goes,

554
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: It's gonna hurt like a mother. But I mean, I mean,

555
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: I can't shoot you. I can tape you down, but

556
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: you know it's your call. I said, tape it up,

557
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: let's go. And I remember running out there and Coach

558
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: Gibbs is going, what are you doing out here?

559
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: And I said, I'm practicing. I got to get a job,

560
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: and he goes, all right.

561
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: So back in those days, two scrimmage against one. So

562
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: I was running second team and there was a there

563
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: was a pitch play and it was one of those

564
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: moments that you just have where there's so much frustration

565
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: and you don't have control.

566
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: But I just said, the hell with it.

567
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: Just put the put the metal to the put the

568
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: foot to the floor, and just pedal the metal and

569
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: just fucking go, man, just fucking go. And and I

570
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: shot through the gap and picked the dude up and

571
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: drove him into the ground and one of those hits

572
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: where you know, everybody on the side.

573
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Speaker 4: Oh god, yeah.

574
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Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden I hear which, who

575
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: the hell was that?

576
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: And he's pulling guys off, and you know, he sees

577
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: me on the bottom of the pilony goes pauseword.

578
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 4: I knew it.

579
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: That's what we got to do. That's that's that guy.

580
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: That's our guy.

581
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: And I'm going, holy fuck, are you gonna do is

582
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: run around here like a fucking maniac, you know, without

583
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: without care of your body.

584
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: To fucking go.

585
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: So that kind of was the the instigation of I know,

586
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: the formula play it like like it's the last player'

587
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: ever gonna play, but just do it balls out And

588
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: that's kind of the way I played, you know, in Oklahoma,

589
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: just with everything I had, and uh, you know, it's

590
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: just it just it worked.

591
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: Out beautifully.

592
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, Wow,

593
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,880
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594
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Speaker 3: Was there a moment where that insecure kid from high

595
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: school who didn't know if he belonged or was good enough?

596
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: Was there a moment where that flipped to Okay, I'm

597
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: now either super secure or like I do, I will

598
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 3: mask insecurity with things like we're big glasses. I do

599
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: things to kind of create like a superhero costume.

600
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 4: What was the switch for you?

601
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a switch, it's probably like

602
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: a dimmer.

603
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: It happened during the during the the first year that

604
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: I played, so in eighty four. Coach Gibbs was great

605
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: at this. He didn't let me know or anybody know

606
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: who's who's going to start. Our first game was against

607
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: uh was against Stanford at home. And you know, for

608
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: some reason, I had my girlfriend and dated in junior

609
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: high and then a little bit in high school, and

610
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: she followed me up to you know, to college, and

611
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: she did one of these, you know, broke up with me,

612
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: like the week of the Stanford game, and I went

613
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: into all emotional hole. I don't know why, probably because

614
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: my brain wasn't developed, and I thought, oh my god,

615
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm never going to get a girl ever never. I mean,

616
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: she was beautiful whatever. And it's like, how dare she

617
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,239
Speaker 1: break up with me? And what's the problem because all

618
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: you think about is Football's football, football for mus That's

619
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: why I'm up here. I'm up here to be a

620
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: fucking football player. And so she breaks up with me.

621
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: So I go into a hole. Coach Switzer tells me

622
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: go home and figure it out and then get your

623
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: ass back here, which was unheard of of game week,

624
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: and then I can come go home, go to go

625
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: home and try to fix or figure it out or

626
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: do whatever. And I was down there for about a

627
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: day and a half and then I came back. And

628
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: because it didn't get it didn't get fixed. That's a

629
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: different story. And uh so I remember laying there on

630
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: the on the on the practice field like week of

631
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: Stanford game, and I'm looking up through my face mask

632
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: at the sky and I see Coach Gibbs's head just

633
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: kind of coming to my vision and he goes, you're

634
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: my guy. You got a big boy, And I just

635
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: started bawling, and I just thought, fuck all that work.

636
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: And finally get validation that you know that that I'm

637
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna actually be the starter. And

638
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: then that first game, I was scared to death. It

639
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: was like eighty thousand people and I'm running out there

640
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: and I'm going, well, it's do or die now I

641
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: got to prove it game. It was a home game,

642
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: and I remember Stanford got the first to get the

643
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: first series and it was like dank, dank, dank touchdown.

644
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm going, holy shit. I mean it's like five plays.

645
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: I barely even remember him. And then we shut him

646
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: down from there. We won nineteen to seven, but I

647
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: got an interception that game. I had played a pretty

648
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: good game, but it was kind of me feeling it out.

649
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: I felt and I felt like that I still had

650
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of governor on the on the accelerator.

651
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: And then the next week we were going to Pittsburgh

652
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh was ranked pretty high. I think there were

653
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: seven or eight and there was a defensive end that

654
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: I really he was my mentor, and I played against

655
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: him and as a scrimmage in high school, and I

656
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: knew that he had gotten a scholarship to Oklahoma, so

657
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: I kind of watched him vicariously during my senior year,

658
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: and so Kevin was one of those guys I'd look

659
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: over and it's like, you know, you're kind of like

660
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: my Linus's blanket.

661
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:05,239
Speaker 2: While I'm out here.

662
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: About halfway through the second quarter, he blows his knee

663
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: out and I'm thinking panics is setting in.

664
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: It's like, shit, there's my guy.

665
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the guy that I'm counting on because

666
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: if I break the huddle and I call the plays,

667
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: and I look over at him and we're sitting there talking,

668
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: We're we're communicating with each other and we're spreading that

669
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: information across the defense. And now now I see him

670
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: getting carted off the field and he calls me over

671
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: before before they take him completely off the field, and

672
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: he goes, Boss, this is your team. They'll they'll follow you.

673
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: You're the leader. Go out there and get it done.

674
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: And I just from that moment on, I just took

675
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: the governor off and just played like I played in

676
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: that scrimmage in the spring, and it just it just

677
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: accelerated from there. And that's when I started to feel

678
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: like as long as I play with that kind of

679
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: reckless abandon and full of emotion and just give everything

680
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: I have. This guy's the limit because I got the

681
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: talent around me. We were really talented as a team.

682
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: But I was very intelligent in the fact that I

683
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: knew what the coach wanted to do and I knew

684
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: how he wanted it done. And there was the one

685
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: thing I never wanted to do was ever look over

686
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: at the sideline and see that I had disappointed coach Switch.

687
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: I never wanted to see him shaking his head and like,

688
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, shit, you know, picked the wrong guy or

689
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: he's not what I thought he was. So I always

690
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: use that as kind of this this motivating like you

691
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: got to play you know more than you know the

692
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: expectations that are out there, and it just kind of dimmed.

693
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: It went from you know where I was used that

694
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: term kind of a dimmer.

695
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: It just kept growing and growing and growing, and then

696
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: then it kind of.

697
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: Exploded with a Texas game because that's Texas was number

698
00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: one that year and my girlfriend had the audacity ex

699
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: girl whatever came. I had the same one from before

700
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: the same one from before. She was she was finishing

701
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: up school that semester, she broke up with me to

702
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: go date some dude from the university of Texas whose

703
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: name was Duke.

704
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't make that ship up.

705
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 4: Unless sounds very unlikable, right, yeah, Duke.

706
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: And she has the audacity to come over in Texas

707
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: weekend or Texas week to say, Hey, Duke and.

708
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: I would like to come to the game. No, you

709
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: can get us tickets to the Cotton Bowl, and I'm going.

710
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 4: You bitch, Duke. She wants to bring Duke.

711
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: She wants to bring Duke to the game, and uh,

712
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: And of course the answer was no. Uh, but I

713
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: walked it was that was the same day that we

714
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: had our press, you know, would have access to us.

715
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: I think it was a Tuesday, And I walked across

716
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: the parking lot for Bud Wilkinson's dorm, into the into

717
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: the stadium, you know, and one of the one of

718
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: the reporters goes, hey, this is your first AU Texas game.

719
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: I know you're a Texas kid, and know, uh, you

720
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: know what's you're feeling about it. And I go, first

721
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: of all, I'm not a Texas guy. I'm an Oklahoma

722
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: gainst born Oklahoma. Get your fact straight. And I was pissed.

723
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: And he goes, well, but it's gonna be a big game.

724
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: Your first aldu Texas game. What do you feel like?

725
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, Bernoid's makes me puke. The

726
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: arrogance and the idiots and those guys. I can't wait

727
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: to play. These guys want to fucking rip their heads off.

728
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: And I wasn't thinking straight. I was just being all

729
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: emotional and honest about it, because I really did hate Texas,

730
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: you know, just like all of it. And the very

731
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: next day, all of the stuff's on the you know,

732
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: it's the bulletin board, front front page news of you know,

733
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: of our sports page. And back in those days, they

734
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: would they would pin all that stuff up in our

735
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: locker room, just you know, so the guys could read

736
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: about the teams coming in and you know, they could

737
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: kind of size up the guys and stuff, you know,

738
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's now it's splashed this

739
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: other stuff and coach, what's it? Calls me up to

740
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: the office. Matter of fact, went to get to my

741
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: my equipment. You know, you check in and they give

742
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: your your jock, your socks, you're you know, you're undershirt,

743
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: and then but before you could before I could get it,

744
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: the equipment manager goes, Switcher needs to see you and

745
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: I go, oh shit. So I walk upstairs and walk

746
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: in his office and he goes, sit down, Yes, sir,

747
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: you say all that stuff in the paper And I said, yes, sir.

748
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: Well that doesn't help you know there number one. I said, yes, sir.

749
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: I said, why did you say all this stuff? Because

750
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: I was just answering it honestly. He goes, well, now

751
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: you got to target on your back. You better back

752
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: it up. I said, yes, sir. So it was kind

753
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: of like he wasn't mad at me. He was just like,

754
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, he could have said that's not the way

755
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: we do it here, or let's be a little bit

756
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: more politically correct, or let's soften that tone up a

757
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: little bit.

758
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: But he didn't say any of that shit. He just said,

759
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: you just better back it up. And that was the

760
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: fifteen to fifteen tie.

761
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: But that that was the game that that we dominated

762
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: him to the point where it's like, this is the

763
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: number one team of the country. Fuck that, we're the

764
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: number one team in the country. We just kicked their ass.

765
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: They know, we know, and the whole fucking world saw us,

766
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: and the refs took it. So it is what it is.

767
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: But now our confidence as a team has risen and

768
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: it just it just escalated from there. We had a

769
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: chance to win the national championship that year, had we

770
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: beaten Washington and the Orange Bowl.

771
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: But we went down there, we got.

772
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: Distracted and we lost sight of a focus for a

773
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: second because I think we got so excited that we

774
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: that we knocked off for number one Nebraska in Nebraska

775
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: to get to the Orange Bowl and win the Big

776
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: Eight championship again. That was the first time that Oklahoma

777
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: had done that the previous four years, So I think

778
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: the the the energy and excitement of doing that, and

779
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: then we got to the Orange Bowl and we thought

780
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: that's Washington. We beat these guys, and we didn't, you know,

781
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: we just failed made too many mistake and we didn't

782
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: realize we left the national championship on the field because

783
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: that year they gave it to BYU beating the six

784
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: and five Michigan in a Holiday Bowl, and had we

785
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: won that game, it had either been a split or

786
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: we won it outright. But we did learn a lesson

787
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: about the opportunities that you get like that are very

788
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: rare and far between, and don't ever missed out opportunity again,

789
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 1: and we made sure we didn't do that that following

790
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: year when we went to play Penn State in eighty five.

791
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: Did you ever feel while in college famous more so

792
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: than just on campus or was it extremely insulated.

793
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: It got to the point where I felt kind of famous. Yeah,

794
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: because every school that we would go to on the road,

795
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: all of their players and even when we got to

796
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: you know, when we played in the Orange Bowl, I

797
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: remember Washington's players. They'd get us together on these little

798
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: you know, Orange Bowl like trips and stuff, and we

799
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: were on some cruise and I think that's when.

800
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: It first hit me.

801
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: All of the players from from Washington were going, hey man, hey,

802
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: boss man, I'm gonna get a picture with you, you know,

803
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: and they gave us those little Kodak cameras and stuff.

804
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: I guess it's like the little freebie stuff that they

805
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: would give you in in the swag bag. And I'm thinking,

806
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: is this weird? Why am I taking pictures with the

807
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: opposing team. I don't know how my teammates are going

808
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: to feel about that. But the team my teammates were

809
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: also they they kind of enjoyed the ride too, because

810
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 1: you know, I would just say shit, because I felt

811
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: like we were good enough we could back it up,

812
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 1: you know, and it was just all organic. I wasn't

813
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: doing it to like, you know, you know, market myself.

814
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: I was just you know, living my best life in

815
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: the best you know school possible, and everything was working.

816
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: All the stars were aligning. So I was a long

817
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: for the roller coaster ride, but I was bringing everybody

818
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: along with me, and we were all having such a blast.

819
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: And then it just kind of everywhere we went, you know,

820
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: we you know, at the end of the game, the

821
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: cheerleaders would come over, Hey, we want to get a picture,

822
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: and I'm going, you know, I don't sing, I don't dance,

823
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: I just play football. We're really good. I'm not as

824
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: good without these guys. But it just seemed like all

825
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: the notoriety was was was.

826
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: Coming down on me.

827
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: I mean I helped a little bit because I you know,

828
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: I cut my hair weird.

829
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't think it was weird.

830
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: I just cut it because my old man wouldn't let

831
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: me cut it in high school. And I was just like, well,

832
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: he's not he's not you know, here now, so I

833
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: can do whatever I want to.

834
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 4: So that wasn't.

835
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: Like a big statement when you cut your hair the

836
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 3: first time, like to the world.

837
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: No, I mean it was more of a fuck you

838
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: to my dad, because my dad was like, you know,

839
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: you know, not cutting your hair. I pay seven dollars

840
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: to get that bowl cut, and that's the cut you're getting.

841
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: I said, but Dad, everybody in this you know, in

842
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: high school, right before fall ball, they all go get

843
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: their hair buzzed, and well, you're not doing that. You're

844
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: going to get your your bowl cut, and that's what

845
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: you're getting. So, I mean, my dad was one of

846
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: those you live by his rules or you don't live

847
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: and I appreciated that. I mean, I would rather have

848
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: a dad that was that way than a dad who

849
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: was trying to be my friend, because I see the

850
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: consequences of parents trying to be their kids' friends instead

851
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: of their parents. And they're not supposed to be their friends.

852
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: They're supposed to be there to make them hate life

853
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: so they can get the hell out of the house

854
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: and grind their own foundation and build their own house

855
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: with the tools of hard love, tough love, you know.

856
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: And I thank God for that kind of relationship. I mean,

857
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: I wish he was a little more warm, warm and

858
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: fuzzy and and happy, but I know that that was

859
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: what he was capable of. He gave me as much

860
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: as he had, and you know it, you know, it

861
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: was what it was. I wish it was more, but

862
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: I appreciate what I did get from him. But you know,

863
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: all of the stuff that really happened really was. It

864
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: just really happened organically. I remember when we were going

865
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: to the Orange Bowl that first year, I went and

866
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: got the haircut. I want to say I got that

867
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: haircut about halfway through the season. It was after I

868
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: know it was after the Texas game because I've seen

869
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: pictures with me with just long, scraggly hair. So sometime

870
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: during during that season, and I remember going to the

871
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: Orange Bowl, I asked the girl, said I used to

872
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: be a tow head. I'd love to be a towhead again.

873
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: Can you do that? And she goes, yeah, just sit down.

874
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: And we were leaving that day to go on the

875
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: bus to the plane to get to you know, to

876
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: go to Miami, and I was already packed. So I

877
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: had made the appointment so I had I could get

878
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: trimmed up nice and clean and then get on the

879
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: bus and then go and back. In those days, if

880
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: you missed the bus, you're paying your own way. I mean,

881
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: they might be upset with you, but to get down there,

882
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,959
Speaker 1: you got to pay your own way. And I'm sure

883
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: you'd have to get up and do some stadium stairs

884
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: five thirty in the morning. But I remember sitting in

885
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: the chair and I'm looking at my watch and I'm going,

886
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: holy shit, I'm gonna miss the bus. You got to

887
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: get this stuff off, man, I gotta go. So she

888
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: washed it off. I didn't even look at it, and

889
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: I got to the bus, walked on the bus, and

890
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: the guys just started donkey laughing. I mean, I'm just what,

891
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: what's what's the matter? Get your hair? Says yeah, what

892
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: do you what's wrong with it? Because it's orange? It's

893
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 1: orange and looked in the like the reflection, I can't

894
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: see it. Is it orange? Really says yeah, Well, we're

895
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: going to the Orange Bowl. That's why.

896
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: That's right, I'm going to the Orange Ball. I'm just

897
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 2: trying to get everybody fired up. How do we feel?

898
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: So it was like everything happened, you know, accidentally, you know,

899
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: with a slight bit of on purpose. I corrected it

900
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: later after I got back, but you know, it was like,

901
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, everything that I did was like how outrageous?

902
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: Can I push this how much further?

903
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: Is there really a line in the sand or is

904
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: it just kind of an imaginary Just keep pushing it,

905
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: keep pushing and keep pushing it. And and I think

906
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: that was I was always like that because when I

907
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: was a kid, man, I was a fucking hellion. I mean,

908
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: my dad used to beat the shit out of me.

909
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: Uh to keep to just discipline me, I mean, just uh.

910
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: I was one of those kids in elementary school. I

911
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: got kicked out out of preschool no way. Yeah, that's

912
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: why I had to go to Oklahoma all the time

913
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: in the summertimes, because my mom and dad worked and

914
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,479
Speaker 1: I was just so fricking mean that they asked me, please,

915
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: don't bring your son back here.

916
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: We can't.

917
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: We can't. He's destructive. He beats up everybody. He's a bully.

918
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: Da da da da. And even though my dad would,

919
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: you know, discipline me, it didn't really fix anything. But

920
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: they finally said, well, and if they left me at

921
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: home when they tried to do that, they have left

922
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 1: me at home with the girls, my sisters, I'd beat

923
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: the hell out of them.

924
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: I'd chase him around, I'd beat him with my whip.

925
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: I'd beat him to the point where they'd have to

926
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: lock themselves in the bathroom. So I had to access

927
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 1: to all the food in the kitchen because they would

928
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: eat all the they would eat all the stuff that

929
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: I wanted to eat. So and they were they were

930
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: older than I was, so it was easy to punch them,

931
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: and they could catch them because they were slow. But

932
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, it just got to the point where we

933
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: got to get rid of it. You got to get

934
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: rid of him in the summertime because you know he's

935
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: going to tear the house down. And so back in

936
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: those days, they just stuck me on a trailways bus.

937
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 2: You know, nobody would do that to a kid.

938
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: Nowadays, you just take a little five year old on

939
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: a Torailways bus by himself, and your grandma and grand

940
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: they'll pick you up at the bus station.

941
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 4: Okay, they'll be there to receive them.

942
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: They'll be there.

943
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: And then I was on the farm, you know, by myself,

944
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: for you know, for three months and then but that

945
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: was such a peaceful time in my life. But every

946
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: time I would come back, the chaos would start. I'd

947
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: go to elementary school. I was in the principal's office, daily,

948
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: sometimes couple of times a day, for doing something disruptive

949
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: in the classroom. And it got to the point where

950
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: I just walk in and say, mister Hewtt, just bend

951
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: over and you know, soon the position and he'd get

952
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: the paddle out of the out of the clause and

953
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: he'd whip my ass two three times and I'd go

954
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: back and I said, ILL see you later this afternoon.

955
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: I remember beating my girlfriend at the time over the

956
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: head with my metal lunchbox because.

957
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: I liked her.

958
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: That was the way I, you know, expressed them the

959
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: way I liked her. She didn't like it that much.

960
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: But you know, I was just one of those kids

961
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: that I had like a Tasmanian devil that lived inside me,

962
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: and I couldn't control the energy, so it came out

963
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: in the waves of of of violence. So yeah, the

964
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 1: only way that I could figure out how to there

965
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: was a man in junior high school. My father was

966
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: my coach in every sport that I did when I

967
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: was young, so he controlled all of it. So I

968
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: felt like I could get away with any because there

969
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: was really no consequences. But at some point in time,

970
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: your your dad can't be your coach and now you

971
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: transition into school. And there was a school my it's

972
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: called Sam Houston Junior High School and it was going

973
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: in from sixth grade to seventh grade. Seventh grade was

974
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: the first year that was going to be school sponsored sports.

975
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: And it was that going coming out of sixth grade

976
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: going into seventh grade that that spring before going into summer,

977
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: and the guy that was in charge of all the

978
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: sports calls me in his office and he goes, look,

979
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: I understand your great athlete. I read the papers, you know,

980
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: you know the you know people talk, you know, I

981
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: see it. Unfortunately, you're not invited to uh to participate

982
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: in sports at Sam Houston.

983
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: And I go why, he goes, because you're disruptor.

984
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: You're if you're in mister Stenson's office every day, you're

985
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: class bully. The teachers tell me your class clown. You're

986
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: constantly disrupting class. Your grades aren't very good. So I

987
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: just can't. I can't reward having the you know, the

988
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: blessing of being involved in sports, because it really is,

989
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: it's an invitation to do this. It's not a privilege

990
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: to play. So I'm sorry, I just can't. I can't

991
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: let you expose your poison onto the players that are

992
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: out here that have the right to play. And I

993
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,479
Speaker 1: remember going home that night and going, Oh my god,

994
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: my dad's gonna kill me. He's gonna beat the hell

995
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: out of me. How am I going to tell him

996
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: that that's something that's almost getting that's almost worse than

997
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: getting expelled, because at least can go back. And that

998
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: was the first night I remember laying in bed and

999
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: then praying, God, I don't know what is wrong with me.

1000
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,479
Speaker 1: I need your help because I don't want to lose

1001
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: the one thing that I love more than anything. And

1002
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: if if you can just settle me down, point me

1003
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: in the right, fixed me. I don't know what the

1004
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: hell's wrong with me, but please fix me. And I

1005
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: remember going to Coach Graves, what a great name to

1006
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: end a career, Coach Graves's office and say, hey, give

1007
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: me a chance, give me one chance. For the rest

1008
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: of the trimester. You won't see me at Stintson's office.

1009
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 1: I'll be the I'll be the teacher's pat I'll break

1010
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: up all the fights at the bike rack because I'm

1011
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: the one that's starting them anyway.

1012
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: And I'll get on the honor roll.

1013
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: And he goes all right, if I don't, if I

1014
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: don't hear one bad thing the rest of the year,

1015
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: I'll invite you to football next year.

1016
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: And and from that moment on.

1017
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: There was like a calm that came over me because

1018
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: there was a purpose that I had, you know, to

1019
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: yet achieve. But the plan was follow the plan so

1020
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: that you can that you can achieve your purpose. And

1021
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: from that moment on, it was like, Okay, life kind

1022
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: of straightened up a little bit.

1023
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 6: The Bobby asked, We'll be right back. This is the

1024
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 6: Bobby Cast.

1025
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 3: I got three final questions for you. At Oklahoma. Did

1026
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 3: you ever start to get heat from opposing fans? Were

1027
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: they booing you ever?

1028
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, of course that's part of the part of

1029
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: the course. But I kind of took that as I'm

1030
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: doing my job because when you're you're a linebacker, your

1031
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: job is to disrupt and destroy anyway. So you know,

1032
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: getting in the head of whatever player on the other

1033
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: side was was the most important, you know, thing I

1034
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: could do early and often, you know, during the course

1035
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: of a game.

1036
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 2: But getting into the heads of the of the.

1037
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: Of the fans just made me realize that I must

1038
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: be doing a really good job. If they're if they're

1039
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: using their energy to all me out. Boomy what call me?

1040
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 2: Names? Those stuff at me?

1041
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: It was we were in we were in Colorado one

1042
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: year and uh, I remember that game well because they

1043
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: were gonna kick me out. They actually did try to

1044
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: kick me out because I used to write stuff on

1045
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: my shoes, and referees came over and said, if Boz

1046
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: has anything written on his shoes, we're throwing them out

1047
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: of the game. And of course I already had stuff

1048
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: written on my shoes doing warm up. So right before

1049
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: the game started, Coach Witcher comes over to me, get

1050
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: you got to cover all that stuff up. They're gonna

1051
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: kick you out of the game, and I'm going out.

1052
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: What we're We're leaving the locker room now right now to.

1053
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 2: Get to get go to the field.

1054
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: So I had the equipment managers grab a bunch of markers,

1055
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,919
Speaker 1: little sharpie'es and just cover it all up and first

1056
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: play the game, they throw the flag Boss out and

1057
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: Coach is going, what are you talking about?

1058
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 2: Coach?

1059
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: We told you if you've got anything written on it.

1060
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 1: She doesn't anything written on his shoes. His shoes are black.

1061
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: We're playing Nebraska next week. We want to see what

1062
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: it's gonna look like. We wear black shoes and that's our model.

1063
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: And they go, okay, he can play.

1064
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: So halfway through that game, I'd made a couple of

1065
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 1: plays on their side, and I gave him one of.

1066
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 2: These, like you know, a little nephew, you know, to

1067
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: the to the stands.

1068
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 4: After like a sacra play like on the field.

1069
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: You do that on the And it was, of course,

1070
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: it was late. You know, it's like in mid November,

1071
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: so it was cold up there, and uh, one of

1072
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 1: the plenty of their players of their student section were

1073
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: throwing frozen bottles down and trying to hit me with it,

1074
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: and they missed me, and they hit one of their

1075
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: own own cheerleaders in the back of the head and

1076
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: they had had caught her off the field.

1077
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 2: And we we won that game twenty eight to nothing.

1078
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: But they pulled me out like in the fourth quarter,

1079
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: and I'm standing on the sideline and uh, and I'm

1080
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: standing next to coach Switzer and all of a sudden,

1081
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: some ship's climbing down and he looks over at me.

1082
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 2: Goes, don't stand next to me. You can get me killed.

1083
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: Coach Man just wanted to say thank you for you know,

1084
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: stepping up and taking you know, and taking up from me.

1085
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: And he goes, yeah, don't worry about that, but just

1086
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: get the hell away from me. You know.

1087
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: Just damn communists up in Indiana, they got it out

1088
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: for you. Man.

1089
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: You got to be careful with those guys. That's that

1090
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: kind of that's that spurned the whole T shirt thing.

1091
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: And you know, in Miami, but you know, yeah, everywhere

1092
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: I went, I knew that the fans both loved me

1093
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: and they hated me. But you know, it really made

1094
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: me feel good because I felt like, if if that's

1095
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: the case, I must be doing not only my job right,

1096
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: but I must be doing it very very well.

1097
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 3: I want to talk about the T shirt thing. So

1098
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 3: just a brief story from my career. I'd lived in

1099
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 3: Austin for a long time. I'd built my own company.

1100
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 3: Nobody really wanted to syndicate my show, so I did

1101
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 3: it myself kind of a different way. Came here, was

1102
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 3: very disliked, felt very disliked, and the only thing that

1103
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 3: I could figure out how to do is kind of

1104
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 3: reverse engineer. I knew I was good enough, but I

1105
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 3: knew I was very different and it was going to

1106
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 3: be hard to get people to accept me. So I

1107
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 3: went and I paid like twelve thousand dollars for two

1108
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 3: of the biggest billboards in Nashville, massive billboards that said

1109
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 3: go away Bobby Bones, and there was nothing else on him.

1110
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 4: I didn't say it was me.

1111
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 3: It in credit me for it, and until I wrote

1112
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 3: my first book, nobody ever knew it was me. But

1113
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 3: the reason I did it was because big letters go

1114
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 3: away Bobby Bones. People were going to agree with it,

1115
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:21,919
Speaker 3: or they were going to go, who is Bobby Bones,

1116
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 3: or they were going to go like, no, I got

1117
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 3: his back. That's all from you. So when I watched

1118
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 3: your documentary, I was in a really bad place because

1119
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 3: I was like, this is going terribly And I watched

1120
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 3: your thirty for thirty and you were talking about the

1121
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 3: T shirts and how you would make anti boss T shirts.

1122
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 4: That inspired me to do what has been the.

1123
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 3: Biggest thing in my career was to reverse what people

1124
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 3: normally do. So I created all of this negative to

1125
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 3: create the positive. And I've never you know, and I

1126
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 3: never talked, but that story is so instrumental in like

1127
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 3: my career. You doing that motivated me and inspired me

1128
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 3: to do that.

1129
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: Well, you know, fans are super important.

1130
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: Both the fans that love you and the fans that

1131
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 1: love you that hate you.

1132
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 2: You need them both.

1133
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: It's always nice to have fans that just adore you

1134
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: and have none that hate you. But all the haters

1135
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: out there make the fans that love you dig in

1136
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: deeper and ask question, why do you hate him?

1137
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 2: Why do you hate him so much? And it starts conversations.

1138
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: And I think now that you know, back when I

1139
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: was young, I look back on myself as a young,

1140
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: younger person, and I was an asshole, no question.

1141
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: I didn't like me. And now.

1142
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: I look at where I'm at now and the person

1143
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: that I've been blessed to be and now born again

1144
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: and have a relationship with Jesus, and and really really

1145
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: know the impact because I still scratch my head. I'm

1146
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 1: in awe that here, here we are forty years later

1147
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: and we're talking about something that occurred forty years ago,

1148
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: and yet the impact that people have and I can't

1149
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: understand it because it's not my impact, it's their impact.

1150
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 2: But they talk with such reverence and emotion, and.

1151
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: It's something deep inside that that I'm I'm honored that

1152
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: that whatever it is that I did allowed them to

1153
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: free themselves and have confidence to do whatever it was

1154
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: that they were afraid or in doubt, much like I

1155
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: had to go through. I think we all go through doubt.

1156
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: We all have, you know, these things in our and

1157
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 1: our souls that go, You're not good enough, you can't

1158
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: do that, You're not capable, no one's going to love you,

1159
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: you're not likable, whatever it is. And if you really

1160
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: just kind of stop and and and grind on it

1161
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: and work on it and believe in yourself and have people.

1162
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: But I think you got to be a genuine person.

1163
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: You can't be fake. And that was one of the things.

1164
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: As much as of an asshole I was back in

1165
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: those days, I wasn't fake. I wasn't faking to be that.

1166
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: I was just genuinely being that person in that moment.

1167
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: Not do I want to be that person for the

1168
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: rest of my life, No, because that person is unsustainable.

1169
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: I really only wanted to be that person for the

1170
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: sixty minutes so I was on the football field that

1171
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: was really the bass. And then once I got away

1172
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: from that, I could just be Brian, and Brian's really

1173
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: just you know, I'm a quiet kid that just you know,

1174
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm a piscey, so I'm full of emotion. I care

1175
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: about what people think. I care about how I interact

1176
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: with people. I don't ever want to like be you know,

1177
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm around actors all the time. It's like, you know,

1178
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: they're just conceded and they're full of themselves, and they

1179
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: have these expectations that everybody should do this for them

1180
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: or that for them, or I don't want It's like, dude,

1181
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: get up and do it yourself, Like mow your own

1182
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: damn yard. I mean, if you got the skills, mow

1183
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: your damn yard, don't pay somebody mowed You're You're never

1184
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: too big to go dig a frickin' hole in your

1185
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: yard and plant a plant. Do shit that you know

1186
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: nobody else wants to do, because one day you're not

1187
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: going to be able to do it and you're gonna

1188
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: wish man, I wish I had done it. So just

1189
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: live your life authentically, but be kind to people and

1190
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: care about what impacts them, you know, and if there's

1191
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: something that you've done for them.

1192
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: Appreciate the hell out of it.

1193
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: Because that was a blessing that God gave me that

1194
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: I then passed on to them. I didn't know that

1195
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: at the time, and it wasn't until you know, I

1196
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: got saved March third, twenty thirteen, when it all came

1197
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: to back and the pastor said, now you can't keep

1198
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: this a secret. I go keep what a secret. All

1199
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: the things that you've been ashamed of, don't be ashamed

1200
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: of them. Talk about them because you don't know. Your

1201
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: journey is going to impact people in a way that

1202
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: will change their lives and you won't know it, but

1203
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: and they probably won't tell you, but they're gonna see

1204
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 1: or hear something that resonates in their heart and their

1205
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: mind and their soul that it suddenly wakes them up

1206
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: and go, huh, I have value. I am valuable. I

1207
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: am important, and I can do something with my life.

1208
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: It's not I'm just not living and breathing and walking

1209
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: until the day I die.

1210
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,959
Speaker 2: There's a purpose from me. That's good.

1211
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and yeah that what you did then influence

1212
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 3: and affected my career, like the strategy of it.

1213
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, look what you built. You got this. There's great stuff.

1214
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 2: I do.

1215
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 4: Go, I do got a nice house. I appreciate you.

1216
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: It's got a great house. But I think keep this

1217
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,959
Speaker 2: in mind, there are no u holes that go to heaven.

1218
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: You can't write or rent this stuff up upstairs.

1219
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: So the greatest gift that you're going to have is

1220
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: is the is the love and hope in your heart

1221
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: that you don't that one. You get the cherish and hold,

1222
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: but then you get to give that away to the

1223
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: people you love the most. Your wife, you're you're a

1224
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: new baby that's coming, the people that you work with,

1225
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: You appreciate the energy and effort that they give, the supporters,

1226
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: the people that love you, your fans, and the ones

1227
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: that hate you that looked at that sign and go,

1228
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: what the hell's Bobby?

1229
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 4: We agree he should go away.

1230
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 2: He should go away.

1231
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: No, I want to know what he's got to say,

1232
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: because if, if, if, if he's that good, he must

1233
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: have something like Charlie Kirk. I mean, the dude was

1234
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: probably you know, and I'm not exaggerating, he's probably the

1235
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: most christ Like person that we've had on this planet

1236
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: for the last two thousand plus years, and we've just

1237
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: lost him. Now we know the impact of why he's

1238
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: gone and what we're gonna miss, but we'll always hear

1239
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: is words because we've videotaped it, and now we really

1240
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: appreciate and our heartbroken that we've lost somebody that was

1241
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: so eternally valuable to humanity, and yet now we get

1242
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: to celebrate him. And that's how that's how fast life

1243
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: can change. So I just you know, I appreciate any

1244
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: and all the things that happened to me, But I'm

1245
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: just a small little dust, you know, with all the

1246
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: other stuff that's happening in the important part of you know,

1247
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: this planet.

1248
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

1249
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 5: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

1250
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,919
Speaker 3: All right, final question. I love Stone Cold as a kid.

1251
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 3: Do you watch your acting tape much like you would

1252
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 3: watch a game film to see what you can do better?

1253
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1254
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I actually use because when I first went

1255
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: into acting, it was like I went and kicking in, screaming.

1256
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: I had no desire at all to be an actor.

1257
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: It was my agent's you know dream. He wanted to

1258
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: be a you know, an agent that had a player

1259
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: that transitioned into Hollywood. And we had that conversation before

1260
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,959
Speaker 1: I signed with him. I said, I don't I didn't

1261
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: really care. I'm not interested in that. If you want to,

1262
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,959
Speaker 1: you know, pursue that. I just want to play, and

1263
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: so you know, I thought I was going to be

1264
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: playing for ten years and then boom, it's over in

1265
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: three years. And and I go into a hole and

1266
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: the next thing I know, he's calling me up, and

1267
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: you go, you got to get back here.

1268
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 2: We got a movie. I'm gonna do the What are

1269
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 2: you talking about. I'm not doing a movie. I have

1270
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 2: no clue what to do in a movie. No, don't

1271
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 2: stick me in that.

1272
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: That's the most uncomfortable thing I can possibly Then I'm

1273
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: going to be fully exposed as a fraud. I do

1274
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: not want to do that. I'm not I'm not trained.

1275
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to do any of it.

1276
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: And Michael Douglas, who was one of the producers on

1277
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: the film, called me up and he said, look, I

1278
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: know where you're at. You know you're down, you're depressed.

1279
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: We got to build it back. We're gonna We're gonna

1280
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: do it together. Trust me. I won't put you out

1281
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: there until we feel like you're ready. You're gonna have

1282
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: all the supports that you're gonna need around you. Just

1283
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: just come back and let's rebuild your life. Your your

1284
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: life is not over at twenty two, and you know,

1285
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: I took those those words of advice and said, you

1286
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna look at look at acting much

1287
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,959
Speaker 1: like it's a football team, and you got to train

1288
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: for it, and you gotta work out for it, and

1289
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: you got to practice and and and you've got to

1290
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: do things like when you're playing football.

1291
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 2: It's not you don't just show up on game day.

1292
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: The hours, weeks, months, that the prep that you put in,

1293
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: all of the stuff that you do extra when eyes

1294
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: aren't watching and you're doing the work because you know

1295
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: that's the right thing to do.

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01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 2: That's when your growth actually happens. Not when you get

1297
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 2: you get.

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01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: A sheet, here's your here's your weight workout, and you

1299
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: go in there and do just that and you and

1300
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: you walk away. No, it's that plus you do this

1301
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: and more and more and more, because that's where your

1302
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: growth actually happened. So I looked at it like that's

1303
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: how I got here, That's how I'm gonna try to

1304
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: conquer this new you know, this new thing that's gonna,

1305
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: you know, I guess now involve my life. Maybe that

1306
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: will fill the hole that's now in my life. And

1307
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: I and I and I approached it with those with

1308
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: that with that mindset, you know.

1309
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: And and I treat.

1310
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: Everybody on the set the same way I would treat

1311
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: you know, guys on the team. And you know, it's

1312
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: just you got a head coach, he's a director. You

1313
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: got the you know, the cast. There are the guys

1314
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: you play with. You got the guys behind the scenes,

1315
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: the taping, your you know, your equipment managers. And those

1316
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: are the guys are hold new camera and putting you

1317
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: in focus. Uh, there's rules and regulations. You got to

1318
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: be on time. You gotta be you got to be appreciated,

1319
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: all of it. And it's all part of it. And

1320
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, I remember my when when

1321
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: I was a kid, I used to ride motorcycles all

1322
01:04:59,640 --> 01:04:59,959
Speaker 1: the time.

1323
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 2: I was a dirt right dirt bike rider.

1324
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: And my dad had a bike, and I remember I

1325
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: stole his bike one day when he was at work

1326
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: because these two girls that were cute called me, Hey,

1327
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: we want to go to stop and go get some food.

1328
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: All right, I'll come pick you up on a motorcycle.

1329
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: And I took pick both of them, had two girls

1330
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: on the back of the bike and I'm going down

1331
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: the street.

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01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 2: You know, I'm like fourteen years old. Thirteen.

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01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: What I was, I was in high school, I think, No,

1334
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: I think I was like I think I was fifteen

1335
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: years old, right before I got my license, and uh,

1336
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: there was a truck that was in front of me,

1337
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: and instead of just stopping and waiting for him, I

1338
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: just decided to go around him and he ended up

1339
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: turning into me and I stayed on the bike. One

1340
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: chick you know flew off and the other chick you

1341
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: know was staying. But I crushed my entire foot and

1342
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: my dad was like, you're going to miss football.

1343
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 2: I was.

1344
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 1: I remember being the hospital, screaming as they're scrubbing the

1345
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: black top out of my foot, and he's.

1346
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 2: Not, you, okay, you all right? You're going to miss football?

1347
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 2: What is wrong with you?

1348
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: And I'm going I'll never do it again. He goes, you,

1349
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: damn right, You're never gonna ride another motorcycle. Your football

1350
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: career is over, all right? I promise I won't and

1351
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: I and I never did. And as soon as a

1352
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: football career was over, I went down in Seattle and

1353
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: got me a motorcycle, riding around in the rain and stuff.

1354
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: Little did I know that, you know, the first movie

1355
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: that they would make would be like a motorcycle movie,

1356
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, and there's such a freedom when you get

1357
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: on a motorcycle.

1358
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 3: I don't know if you ride. I'm too scared now.

1359
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah Rick the mopad once when I was twelve, Never again, dude.

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01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: It is such a it's such an awesome feeling, especially

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01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: when you're on a big, heavy bike and you got

1362
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: that much horsepower between your legs and you could do

1363
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: some dangerous stuff, but there's such a lifting of it's

1364
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: so free. You know, you're you're it's like you're you're

1365
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: you're flying and uh, there's just like it kind of

1366
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of an adrenaline rush. Uh, and you start

1367
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: to and I kind of started living a biker's lifestyle.

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01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 2: And it was just ironic that they came up and go,

1369
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 2: here's your first movie.

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01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: You're a motorcycle it's you're You're infiltrated in a motorcycle club,

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01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: and I'm going, okay, sounds fun. I just don't know

1372
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: how to act, so we've got to figure that part

1373
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: of it out. I'll ride the ship out of a motorcycle,

1374
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: but we've got to figure out how I can talk.

1375
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: So uh, it turned out to be great, you know,

1376
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: and uh you know, I do watch, you know, I

1377
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: do create, create critique myself a lot when I'm when

1378
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm watching the playback on whether it be.

1379
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 2: TV, whether it be film.

1380
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 4: Did you think Fansville would go this long?

1381
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 2: No?

1382
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: I hoped it did. I really enjoyed doing Fansville. We

1383
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: were trying to trying to do Fansville the TV series

1384
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: for a minute, but I don't know how that that

1385
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: would work. But I think it's just it's ironic because

1386
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: when they when they when they came to me, it said,

1387
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: Dr Pepper wants you to be their sheriff in Fanville.

1388
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: I said, that's amazing. Doctor Pepper was my go to

1389
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: drink when I was a kid. How cool is that? So,

1390
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's just funny how all this stuff kind

1391
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: of lands in your lap and you're just you don't

1392
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: expect it, but ends up being just an amazing blessing.

1393
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: And we've had eight great years and hopefully we have

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01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: another eight more.

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01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's awesome. Well, this has been a real thrill.

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01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 4: So I really appreciate the time.

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01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 3: I really appreciate the inspiration in different ways that you

1398
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 3: didn't know you provided me. And so for me, I

1399
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 3: think that was my number one motivator for having you

1400
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 3: come by. And then too, my family are such massive

1401
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 3: Oklahoma fans. My family's ingrained in the school obviously with Patty,

1402
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 3: and so I know they're going to love this too.

1403
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 3: So yeah, for so many reasons, it's been a real

1404
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 3: honor to have you over.

1405
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 4: So thank you for spending an hour with me.

1406
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 2: Well, I really appreciate you.

1407
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,839
Speaker 1: Bringing me on makes me makes me feel important because

1408
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: I get to share the stories and then hear how

1409
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,520
Speaker 1: whatever it is that I did in my past.

1410
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 2: Had a positive influence on you, and it got you

1411
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 2: these two.

1412
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 3: Bernorn's chairs that I didn't know were born. You better

1413
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 3: believe these chairs are not going to be here much

1414
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 3: longer after you get out of here. It's got to

1415
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 3: be weird to live in Austin, though, and be an

1416
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 3: ou guy.

1417
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 2: You know, it was, it was, It was.

1418
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: It was awkward at first, but then I went out

1419
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: a couple of times and people's you know, the fans

1420
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: are fans, and they I think fans, especially of your rival.

1421
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: They appreciate the effort that you gave because rivalries are fun,

1422
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 1: especially when they're really good rivalries like Texas and oh

1423
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 1: you are and fans like to see their team's challenge

1424
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: to the nth degree. How good are we can we

1425
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: beat that team? And sometimes you know, the Ou Texas game,

1426
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, it goes in weird ways. But I have

1427
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: found that that the Texas fans truly appreciate the effort

1428
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: that I gave as a Sooner, because I think they

1429
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: appreciate how much I love Oklahoma. Because you want the

1430
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 1: players to play for your team, love the team and

1431
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: tradition as much as I did for Oklahoma, because it

1432
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,719
Speaker 1: just makes the team better. Because the guys will will, will, live, eat, breathe,

1433
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: kill themselves in order to get that w you know,

1434
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that they're going to remember forever,

1435
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: the effort that you gave. And I've actually gone to

1436
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: a few Texas Texas games by invitation.

1437
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 2: At first, I was a little nervous about going.

1438
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: I said, they they don't want me in their house.

1439
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they're not gonna want me in there.

1440
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: And then every time I've gone, it's it's just been

1441
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,440
Speaker 1: just a great, a great warm welcome. You still do cameos,

1442
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: I still do lots of lots of Cameosy, how about

1443
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: one of those ones I appreciate those two because I

1444
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: get deep on them. You know, I always Yeah, you

1445
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 1: sent me a four minute went back about for my

1446
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: wife's birthday.

1447
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:46,799
Speaker 4: As you sit back like a four minute.

1448
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 3: When talking about all the specifics of the things that

1449
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 3: I had mentioned, it was the most elaborate, awesome cameo

1450
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 3: we'd ever buy.

1451
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: Well, because I look at them sometimes I look at

1452
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: some of these, some of these guys that have they're

1453
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: on a cameo and they're going there. They're like, you know,

1454
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: for five hundred dollars or fifteen hundred US, dude, your

1455
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 1: time's not worth going to give him like a like

1456
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: a thirty second blow off.

1457
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 2: Whatever, Dude, give them something.

1458
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: They go to the effort of if they want something special,

1459
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: they give you specific informations.

1460
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 2: But then open up your heart and talk to them.

1461
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 1: Don't just give a message, talk to them so that

1462
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: they realized the person that that they wanted to hear

1463
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: from and see.

1464
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 2: Is more than just a person.

1465
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 1: He's he's a genuine human being that has you know,

1466
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 1: that has feelings.

1467
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 2: He's up, he's down, he's been through some stuff.

1468
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 1: He can give you advice, but more than anything, it's

1469
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: it's like an honor It's like somebody's taking the time

1470
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: and they want me to express something important to that

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01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: other person, whether it be a happy birthday, lift them up,

1472
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,759
Speaker 1: you know, congreat and congratulations. You know, job well done.

1473
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: You're you're retiring, you're going into the next phase of life.

1474
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: You know, he's covering from surgery, he's super down and

1475
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 1: he needs you know, he needs some encouraging words. Whatever

1476
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: it is. But somebody went to the effort to do that.

1477
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: So give one hundred and ten percent effort back. Otherwise

1478
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: don't do it. Yeah, get a boss cameo.

1479
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 4: It was a plus.

1480
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, we bought one. Was it was one of the

1481
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 3: best ones.

1482
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 2: Nice.

1483
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 3: That's how life is. One day you're buying a cameo

1484
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,799
Speaker 3: from BOS. The next day is over at your house

1485
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 3: in Burns chair and his burn Oorng's chair.

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01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: Hey, now, if you don't want these and you want

1487
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 1: to give them away, I won't say no because it

1488
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 1: is a comfortable it's a comfortable chair.

1489
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a comfortable chair.

1490
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: And I have learned to appreciate you know there there

1491
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: You need things in your life to remind you how

1492
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 1: you got to where you where you are.

1493
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 2: You know where you're.

1494
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: From, where you're at where you're going, and what did

1495
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: you give up to get there?

1496
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 3: So which part of that would this chair b to you?

1497
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 2: What did I give up to get here?

1498
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: So I gave up hating burnt orange so that I

1499
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,600
Speaker 1: could sit in a burnt orange chair and have an amazing.

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01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 3: I'm going to say they're not burnt, but okay, I'll

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01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 3: accept it.

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01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 4: There he is, the great Brian boss Worth.

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01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 6: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production